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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Shortenin' Bread: are earlier versions online? on: Yesterday at 08:27:58 AM
A while back I compiled a list of all the pre-LA studio Bread variations, may as well copy it in here as a guide. Corrections and extra info welcome.

Shortenin' Bread (v1) - circa Spring 1973, studio unknown - The O.G. bread, track recorded with David Sandler for American Spring sometime after the Iowa sessions along with backing & bass vocals. Carl's lead added in 1977 for inclusion on Adult Child.

Brian's Jam - March 2, 1974, Brother Studio - Shortenin' Bread variation. I think this might be in the vaults, no vocals though.

Clangin' (v1) - March 2, 1974, Brother Studio - Similarities to the Breads, but closer to the I'm the Pied Piper piano riff. Since a version is from the same session as Brian's Jam I'm guessing if they have the tape for that they'll have this. A tape also apparently exists of Brian and Harry Nilsson jamming on a variation that's in the possession of Micky Dolenz.

Ding Dang (v1) - either Fall 1973 or June 10, 1974, Brother Studio - The Ding Dang we all know & love that ended up on Love You. Not sure if the June 1974 date is accurate or if that corresponds to another version entirely.

Brian's Tune - November 4, 1974, Caribou Ranch - aka Rolling Up to Heaven or 'Dirty Ding Dang'. Circulates on bootlegs.

Ding Dang (v2) - May 29, 1975, RCA - Version recorded for California Music. Unknown non-Beach Boy on lead vocals. Does not circulate.

Clang - June 1976, Brother Studio - From the session when I'm Bugged at My Ol' Man was filmed for the It's OK special, this is the "mow mama yama holy hallelujah" chant (revived for Lucky Old Sun) sung by the group around Brian playing the Shortenin' Bread riff at the piano. About the same tempo as the 90s version of Proud Mary, only a rough take. Does not circulate.

Clangin' (v2) - circa Fall 1976, Brother Studio - A version of Clangin' that definitely does still exist from the Love You sessions. Features the typical Love You arrangement of tack piano/organ/farty Moog bass/basic drums, a couple of Brians repeatedly sing "clangin', clangin', clang I'm a-dingin', I'm a-clangin'" until the heat death of the universe (very similar to the ending of Bells of Madness). Was on the lineup for the proposed Brother re-issues bonus tracks, does not circulate.

2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare stuff on Brian's instagram on: February 21, 2019, 12:46:03 PM
That's gotta be an 80s backing track though, with Brian's 80s voice. Plus it being Terri. There's an early/scratch version of She Says That She Needs Me circulating and it's nothing like this. More than one version of Melt Away and There's So Many etc. were recorded, not unreasonable to think it's just a different take from '87.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile Songs Used In Other Albums on: February 14, 2019, 03:09:11 PM
With Me Tonight was originally a SMiLE recording wasn't it?

The first 2 You're With Me Tonights (Vegetables bassline & vocal arrangement on Hawthorne and the harpsichord version on the Smile Sessions) are from early June, so technically Smiley, but they're before moving to the home studio so they kinda feel more Smile. Same with Cool Cool Water v1. Those and Love to Say Dada were all after the album was cancelled anyway.


maybe a stretch but I hear a little Love to Say Dada in Aren't You Glad

Taped detuned piano strings with a similar rhythm and a major 6th, definitely not a stretch!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile Songs Used In Other Albums on: February 14, 2019, 03:04:34 PM
The Heroes and Villains (or River Deep Mountain High) bassline briefly shows up in the bridge of Be Here in the Morning Darling, the arrangement of the Wake the World verses borrows from Do You Like Worms's rhythms, the melody of Whistle In is loosely adapted from "mahalo lu lei, mahalo lu la", the horn break in Time to Get Alone sounds like it's building on some ideas from Look. Had to Phone Ya has shades of LTSDD/CCW in the chord progression.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: February 12, 2019, 02:09:32 PM
technically the 20/20 sessions digital release last year jumped the 50 year copyright extension gun, since while Friends LP was 1968 (for Wake The World sessions), 20/20 originally was 1969

so now that we're over a month into 2019 what (other) 1969 material still needs such extended copyright protection?  BreakAway

that would seem to be it.  with a stretch one could include the UK 45 single version of Cottonfields which's of course a 1970 release there (recorded in 1969).  the US 45 also is a 1970 release but it's the 20/20 version which's already been covered on the sessions.  over a year went by for them to release it as a single from the album (probably a capitol move, although that doesn't exactly explain why Al went ahead with his revised recording)

so mssrs boyd & linnet could take a breather and give us nothing more until 2020, for the copyright extension release of Sunflower material.  And there's certainly a ton there

With that overload my conjecture is some of it (sunflower)--that which's known to have earlier recording dates--could jump the gun and come out at the end of this year.  while the other half of material would be a 2020 copyright extension release.  that fragments sunflower so maybe they'll scotch my idea.  a quandary with no singularly good answer

p.s.:  it seems confusion could be had between the calendar year 2020, vs. the title of the beach boys album



20/20 was entirely recorded in 1968. The copyright rule applies to the recording date, not the release date, otherwise there'd be no reason for it to exist. So plenty of 1969 material that could be included.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce Johnston's 1968 Solo Project - Polydor - \ on: February 08, 2019, 01:07:32 PM
The backing vocals on With a Little Help just sound like Carl and Mike double-tracked to me.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Steel Guitar on Little Pad on: February 07, 2019, 09:54:17 AM
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8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Steel Guitar on Little Pad on: January 26, 2019, 11:37:37 AM
I don't know if this has much bearing on the dates for the theory, but on Unsurpassed Masters you can hear Brian slate the second and third parts of She's Goin' Bald as "Section 2" and "Section 3", and that third part is so closely musically related to the Speeches half I'd be really surprised if it was originally meant for a different song. Then again Brian doesn't say what they're sections of, so I guess it might be possible. The 'Hawaiian Song' ukulele part is also in F# after all. Just I can't see the piano track for Section 2 of SGB being meant for anything other than the goofy spoken part before vocals were added, and both that and Section 3 sound like they're being recorded at the same session.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Steel Guitar on Little Pad on: January 23, 2019, 03:10:03 PM
Was there actually any more to Hawaiian Song? Or was it just an early working title for Little Pad under which that one section was recorded?
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What did Brian contribute to the writing of \ on: January 21, 2019, 03:24:20 PM
The Michel Colombier arranger-as-writer thing makes sense for Deirdre. Still though, interesting that back in June 1970 not long before release Bruce doesn't even mention Brian in that context -


"We have now got two new albums ready for release. 'The Fading Rock Group Revival', which will be our last for Capitol, should be out around the end of July. It will contain 10 tracks, including 'Loop-de-Loop', 'Deirdre' which I co-wrote with Michel Colombier, our previous hit 'Breakaway', possibly an unaccompanied version of the 'Lord's Prayer', and a song called 'Forever' which we are also considering as our next single. After that album, we shall be bringing out 'Sunflowers', which will be on our own re-activated Brothers label."

Speaking of Al and Brian, is there a general consensus on who wrote (and produced) what for At My Window? I've read one quote about Al remembering writing it (without mentioning Brian) and another from Brian where he says Al wrote the lyrics. Brian responsible for reworking the Raspberries Strawberries chords/melody after Al brought him the song maybe?
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What did Brian contribute to the writing of \ on: January 21, 2019, 09:55:46 AM
I came across an article the other day from 1970 where Bruce mentions Deirdre as a song he co-wrote with Michel Colombier, the string arranger, but no mention of Brian (the 'Fading Rock Group Revival' interview). Reckon there's any truth to this?
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 20, 2019, 11:10:32 AM
Nah, Mike could sing without getting nasal but this is 300% not him: https://clyp.it/sn5gcdpf  Is a more likely explanation not just the paperwork being wrong?

That is 300% Mike
Next you're gonna tell me that's not Blondie singing Sail On Sailor Tongue

Seriously though, listen to the harshness on the very start of the "ahhh". It doesn't match up with Mike's vocal style or intonation, even on examples of his lighter mid-range vocals like Aren't You Glad or the Wonderful backing vocals. The voice there sounds at least several years younger than Mike. In fact, the main Wonderful backing vocal part is Mike doing wordless "ahhh"s in pretty much exactly the same range covering a lot of the same notes, and the tone's way off this part in IWFTD.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 19, 2019, 07:17:57 AM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.

Yeah...and another one that's close to that is "I'm Waiting For The Day". I used to think that was all Brian, but the track sheets indicate that Mike is singing the bass voice (doubled, I think, by Brian). And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.
Carl too, singing the lower part of the "ahh-be-doo-be-doo" with Brian.

Not sure about that...the track sheet is labeled with only Brian's and Mike's names, so I'm thinking there's no Carl on that one.
You can hear him at the end of the take in the stack-o-vocals mix though, just by himself for a second. They're singing into the same mic and that's definitely not Mike. Could those vocals have been done at another session?

I'm not sure it isn't Mike, singing in his tenor voice. It lacks the nasality one usually associates with him, but I think that particular quality normally comes into play when he sings higher. If this is his "normal" voice, between the bass or low baritone parts and the higher nasal tone that he's best known for, it could be him.
Nah, Mike could sing without getting nasal but this is 300% not him: https://clyp.it/sn5gcdpf  Is a more likely explanation not just the paperwork being wrong?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 17, 2019, 04:16:36 PM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.

Yeah...and another one that's close to that is "I'm Waiting For The Day". I used to think that was all Brian, but the track sheets indicate that Mike is singing the bass voice (doubled, I think, by Brian). And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.
Carl too, singing the lower part of the "ahh-be-doo-be-doo" with Brian.

Not sure about that...the track sheet is labeled with only Brian's and Mike's names, so I'm thinking there's no Carl on that one.
You can hear him at the end of the take in the stack-o-vocals mix though, just by himself for a second. They're singing into the same mic and that's definitely not Mike. Could those vocals have been done at another session?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 17, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
Could the Vega-Tables ballad insert count? I know it's just a section, but that's a big stack-o-Brian.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 17, 2019, 04:05:39 PM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.

Yeah...and another one that's close to that is "I'm Waiting For The Day". I used to think that was all Brian, but the track sheets indicate that Mike is singing the bass voice (doubled, I think, by Brian). And of course Mike sang the alternate verse lead that wasn't used on the album.
Carl too, singing the lower part of the "ahh-be-doo-be-doo" with Brian.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 20/20 Strings on: January 07, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
Speaking of Brian, do we know which 20/20 sessions (post-CWTL in July) he was actually there for?


I really think just "Cotton Fields" and vocals on "Time To Get Alone" and "Never Learn Not To Love".  Capitol paperwork also indicated that vocals weren't added to "I Went To Sleep" until the fall - not sure if I believe that, but it's possible.

Damn, that's depressing Sad  What about We're Together Again in September? I know he's on the backing vocals, just wasn't sure who produced that one since there are a few sessions.

Apparently Murry.


God, the Beach Boys are so weird. I never would've guessed that in a million years.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 20/20 Strings on: January 07, 2019, 06:31:52 AM
Speaking of Brian, do we know which 20/20 sessions (post-CWTL in July) he was actually there for?


I really think just "Cotton Fields" and vocals on "Time To Get Alone" and "Never Learn Not To Love".  Capitol paperwork also indicated that vocals weren't added to "I Went To Sleep" until the fall - not sure if I believe that, but it's possible.

Damn, that's depressing Sad  What about We're Together Again in September? I know he's on the backing vocals, just wasn't sure who produced that one since there are a few sessions.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 20/20 Strings on: January 07, 2019, 06:00:52 AM
Speaking of Brian, do we know which 20/20 sessions (post-CWTL in July) he was actually there for?
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna Do - What were The BBs trying to achieve with it? on: December 28, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
On some of the vocal credits, that "all I wanna do" chorus is totally Bruce, with Carl on the "lonely in the night" response and I think Brian doing the wordless "oo-oo" backing (all in the left channel). It doesn't sound like Brian's timbre to me at all. The "my love is burnin' brightly" lead line is 100% Brian though before trading over to Mike for "stars shine nightly" - Brian then repeating the entire line himself for the fadeout.

For the "All I wanna do" lines, the "All I" kinda sounds like Bruce, but the "wanna do" convinces me it's 100% Brian. On the "My love is burning brightly" part, I hear more than one voice - maybe Carl singing with Brian.


Funny, the "wanna do" is the part that sounds like Bruce to me Tongue  It's more rounded and "sweet" than Brian. At 2:09 it's followed by the "oo-oo" part I was talking about that sounds distinctly like Brian to me and they've gotta be two different people.

Is it not just Brian double or triple-tracked with the delay giving that illusion? I can hear a ghostly lower harmony from Mike that's buried deep in the mix but no Carl.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brothers, Cousins, and Friends - possibility on: December 28, 2018, 08:34:03 AM
For some reason, I always thought that Heavenly Bodies / In the Night Time / Black Widow were around 1983 or so, but I also haven't read the Wilson Project; is there anything about the origin of those songs there.



Heavenly Bodies is by Brian and Gary Usher and it was recorded in 1986. Black Widow and In the Night Time, along with Little Children and Up in the Sky (aka There's so Many), are all from the same Brian demo session sometime in the second half of '83. IIRC, 'In the Night Time' is just a bootlegger title and the actual name of the song is 'You'.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna Do - What were The BBs trying to achieve with it? on: December 28, 2018, 06:03:10 AM
On some of the vocal credits, that "all I wanna do" chorus is totally Bruce, with Carl on the "lonely in the night" response and I think Brian doing the wordless "oo-oo" backing (all in the left channel). It doesn't sound like Brian's timbre to me at all. The "my love is burnin' brightly" lead line is 100% Brian though before trading over to Mike for "stars shine nightly" - Brian then repeating the entire line himself for the fadeout.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969-70 Copyright Extension Release Prediction Thread on: December 26, 2018, 04:38:38 AM
Excited for the Til I Die demo to finally see public release, even though it's not much. Still a very interesting piece.

Is the demo the version with the "positive" and "uplifting" Mike lyrics?
The alternate lyrics were also written by Brian.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 23, 2018, 03:02:44 AM
It's really sad to see, especially after Sunshine Tomorrow seemed to do so well. Alan mentioned to me that him and Mark expected the studio sets a week later but they were just dropped on Spotify immediately with no announcement. I guess the promo budget went to the RPO album this year, but they could at least act like they care. These sets should've and could've gotten the same level of praise if people actually knew about them.

If anything deserves a big Pet Sounds Sessions style boxset though it's Sunflower. So I guess there's hope?
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 22, 2018, 05:36:38 PM
wjcrerar's answers/ points look the best & well-detailed than anybody's in the "different" (not really since he/she admitted they're neutral) side. Plus politer than The Lovester's & such. Thanks.

Thank you, I didn't wanna stir things further and I'm glad (I think) that I haven't. Maybe world peace is possible after all.
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