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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Robert Plant covers \ on: Today at 06:01:28 PM
Would love to hear Plant's take on "Transcendental Meditation".
2  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The \ on: August 17, 2017, 07:26:32 PM
I'll Get You
Oh Darling
Penny Lane
Don't Let Me Down
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 16, 2017, 05:42:55 PM
I have a question!...that maybe doesn't 'have' a real answer, but looking for opinions anyway.

In 1995's "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" album, Brian Wilson does a version of "Melt Away". In the original from 1988, he sings:

"I feel just like an island
Until I see you smiling
And my blues just melt away"

But in the new version during that parts, he sings

"And my dreams just melt away"

Why did he change 'blues' to 'dreams'? Blues makes it sound like the girl makes his sadness go away. Dreams make it sound like his happiness is melting away or something. Maybe he means bad dreams, like nightmares? But "and my nightmares just melt away" didn't really fit? I just thought it was weird because for me it kinda changes the feel and even meaning of the song. I like the 1995 version a lot, though, but this has always bugged me a little.
4  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #11: The Beatles (the White Album part 1) on: August 13, 2017, 05:15:59 PM
Don't Pass Me By, don't make me cry, don't make me blue...but Ringo, I'm afraid I have to.  Cry

Don't Pass Me By
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does Mike Love realize he is despised by millions of fans? on: August 12, 2017, 07:17:19 PM
Why is this thread now about President Trump and snowflakes??

Not that it should matter, but I'm forty and I've been a lurker/member on these BB boards since the days of the old Smile Shop.

Bottom line on ML's speech: there are TWO speeches that I've ever found memorable and worth listening to over the years at the RRHOF. One is Mike's speech. The other is Alex Lifeson's. So Mike has my respect for at least trying to make a point instead of spouting platitudes, and I salute him for causing a scene at an event that's dedicated to rock n' roll, the ultimate scene-causing, ruckus-rising music.

Well, it certainly was memorable, I see your point. The thing is though, to take a few playful jabs at Mick Jagger and the Beatles might be OK. But he sound so hateful throughout the speech. Mentioning lawsuits between Paul, Ringo and Yoko, that's a low blow and unnecessary. Diana Ross? Billy Joel? Kinda like what Elton John was getting at, why didn't he mention him and everyone else, too? Mike was drunk and rambled and said some things he shouldn't have, and took the spotlight away from what should've been a nice evening for the boys. Now all anyone remembers is that speech.

Oh well.
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: What Was Motown's Best Period? on: August 12, 2017, 06:19:57 PM
Question to JL: which song everybody likes you don't? Which 'town artist many regard great you just like casually?

Thanks to the list. After 60s psych music shall check Edwin Starr et al.

You're welcome!

To be honest with you, outside of Marvin Gaye's big hits in the 60's and his What's Going On album, I feel like he's pretty overrated as an artist. I haven't listened to all of his work yet, but 'Let's Get It On' is considered a masterpiece album by many: I found it decent but dull and monotonous. I feel similarly for 'Here, My Dear': supposedly one of the greatest albums ever made to many. I DO find it sloppy and at times incoherent, but on the plus side it is more interesting than LGIO. And for better or worse, it's a real, painfully honest look into the mind of Marvin Gaye at that point in time (much like say, 'Love You' was for Brian Wilson). I actually like his last album, "Midnight Love" more than the other two 'classics'. Marvin is still a legend for What's Going On alone, and his singing voice, but I think that Curtis Mayfield had him beat as a songwriter/producer and David Ruffin as a vocalist.

I like Smokey Robinson a LOT: but mostly his more mature solo work. I feel some of his cutesy early lyrics were effective but already outdated by the mid-to late sixties. Listen to what his next single for the Temptations was going to be before Norman Whitfield took over as their producer (Little Miss Sweetness) and compare it to what Whitfield wrote (Ain't Too Proud To Beg), and you'll see how other songwriters were already beginning to equal or surpass him, or at least keep up with the times better (which Smokey eventually did as well in the 70's). Whitfield/Barrett Strong and Holland-Dozier-Holland were both better, more consistent composers/lyricists overall.

I'd say those two are the biggest examples. Again, I 'do' like them, but there's other Motown artists that I not only like more personally, but even from a more unbiased perspective, I feel like they're not quite as great as some claim them to be. Which isn't to say they aren't great at all, or unimportant in history: just overrated, sometimes at the expense of better artists.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does Mike Love realize he is despised by millions of fans? on: August 12, 2017, 02:07:16 PM
I cannot lie, I have also come to despise Mike Love...

...'s fashion sense. I mean, what was he thinking with the white robes and long beard in the 70's? And nowadays, is he in some competition to see who can wear the loudest shirts?

There. I've aired all my grievances.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Al Jardine die in 1965 only to be replaced by a lookalike ? on: August 12, 2017, 12:27:34 PM
Someone already mentioned it, but wow....

Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)

I've been lying on my back
Like a freight train off it's track

9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: What Was Motown's Best Period? on: August 11, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
I dislike Motown. Listened to famous names - boring. Is obscure artist who fans who read this thread could advise to hear?

To each their own, as they say!

If you dislike the main stars of Motown, there's certainly plenty of more obscure artists that maybe had a couple of hits before fading away.

As mentioned, Edwin Starr is good, but I forgot to mention that even some of his 70's disco hits like H-A-P-P-Y Radio and Contact are solid. His version of My Sweet Lord is also good.

The Undisputed Truth had the one hit Smiling Faces Sometimes, but did other songs too (including the ORIGINAL Papa Was a Rolling Stone).

Jimmy Ruffin has some nice music too.

Also dig deep into the catalogs of The Four Tops and Temptations, they're not obscure, but some of their later music is. They had some big flops that never scraped the Top 40 and you never hear talked about, but are still fantastic.

And of course there's a smattering of other Motown groups that had very brief periods of mild success (The Velvelettes, The Monitors, Shorty Long) that are worth hearing, if you want REALLY obscure.
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Entertainment Thread / Re: Favorite Comic book movies on: August 09, 2017, 11:02:27 AM
KDS - Interesting thoughts. I've always been a little critical of Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. I've admired them at arms length, appreciated them, but never really embraced them as some of the very best comic books movies for the reasons you mentioned. I think Burton's films have the best 'atmosphere': Nicholson's Joker is perfect and is my favorite portrayal of the character, great mix of humor and sadism, Batman Returns is dark but has it's certain type of comic relief. But I can't deny it any longer, for now I feel that the TDK trilogy has the best plot and character development of the series, and overall they're more focused and have themes that stay with you after the credits roll (especially The Dark Knight). They're some of the best examples of the genre. 'Begins' is a great origin story, and 'Rises' I agree is a bit muddled but still solid.

I still feel Nolan and co. could've had more fun with the material, as you mentioned the movies are indeed relentlessly grim. I'm not saying to go 60's Batman campy, but for example, if you're into video games, I feel the Arkham series also nails the villains and style of Batman, as well as Batman: The Animated series from the 90's.

I kinda like Batman Forever, but you can see the stage being set for the terrible Batman & Robin. Tommy Lee Jones is a fantastic actor, but his portrayal is more like the Joker than Two Face and doesn't do the character justice, and Nicole Kidman's role is disposable. B&R is only enjoyable if you know it's going to be terrible and just laugh at it along the way, but I think Arnold and Uma Thurman could've done great if they had been given better written characters. They don't deserve the blame for that mess, neither does Clooney or Alicia Silverstone.

So I feel TDK films are overall the best, but I definitely don't think there's anything wrong with liking the Burton films more, as they are better in certain respects.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A little love for Mr. Love on: August 09, 2017, 10:44:07 AM


"Man, I was listening to Surfin' the other night.

How did Mike love think of the "Bom bom dit di dit dip" bass part? So creative. Really carries the tune, actually."

This predecessor came to mind (among countless other doo wop bass variations)

Good catch. If you're going to be influenced, might as well be influenced by the best. That music savvy Mike Love.  Cool Guy
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SIP Remaster on: August 08, 2017, 08:24:07 PM
That sounds cool. I'd listen to that.
13  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Entertainment Thread / Re: Favorite Comic book movies on: August 08, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
Batman vs. Superman was great on a weird interlectual level! 3D

Hmm. Interesting point.

I felt like it was not as bad as some people said and not as good as the makers wanted it to be. If anything deserves to be called a 'mixed bag' it's BvS. The action and effects were great, it's well cast, gets us interested in other DC characters and their future movies (not to mentioned the Justice League), and has some interesting themes. Then again, the action is a bit too loud and obnoxious (it IS a Zack Snyder film, after all), Henry Caville has some great moments but his Clark Kent portrayal is mostly dull, Batman is an idiot for his obsession to kill Superman and that plot point threatens to ruin the entire movie, the side characters aren't given much to do and the constant hints/cameos of other DC heroes are fun but don't really add to the plot of THIS movie. Then again, Wonder Woman has a huge impact in her limited screen time, Gal Gadot is perfect for the role. But this film, by itself, does nothing in terms of letting us get to know her character at all, so it feels like she's just there to be there without much character development (and to sell tickets). This is exactly why DC should've had at least 2 Superman films, a solo Affleck Batman film or two and Wonder Woman come out first, aka the Marvel route before having them team up. It just tells me that DC is just interested in making as much money as possible as quickly as possible. Which, Marvel is too, of course, but they do so with a better creative vision.

At least DC seems to have learned it's lesson: I'm in the minority in liking Suicide Squad, but Wonder Woman was undeniably good and the Justice League looks excellent, the actors are perfect, which gives me hope for future movies (The Flash, Aquaman).
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Entertainment Thread / Favorite Comic book movies on: August 08, 2017, 07:54:08 PM
So who loves superhero movies?! I do. I've seen so many I lost count (and that's not really an exaggeration, either). I wanted to make a Marvel superhero thread at first but then I figured DC has a lot of good ones too, and there's some other comic book/superhero films not with either company.

As for the entire genre, top-tier superhero movies for me would be:

Spider-Man 2 (2004) - The Dark Knight - Captain America: Civil War - Iron Man - Spider-Man (2002) - Superman - Batman Begins - Marvel's the Avengers - Captain America: The Winter Soldier - Doctor Strange - Captain America: The First Avenger - Guardians of the Galaxy - X-Men: First Class - The Dark Knight Rises - Superman 2: The Richard Donner Cut - Deadpool - Logan - X-Men 2: X-Men United - Wonder Woman

Middle-tier (enjoyable but not that great) would be:

Batman (1989) - Batman Returns - Ant-Man - The Amazing Spider-Man films - Spider-Man 3 - Thor and Thor: The Dark World - The Avengers: Age of Ultron - Watchmen - The Hulk - Iron Man 2 and 3 - Daredevil  - Man of Steel - Suicide Squad

And the rest range from passable to bad but I've seen them anyway:

Batman and Robin - Batman Forever - Batman vs. Superman - The Blade Series - Hulk (2003) - Elektra - Fantastic 4 Films - a host of low budget 90's films based on Marvel superheroes (Captain America, Fantastic 4, Nick Fury) that were made largely in order to keep the film rights from expiring. I'm ashamed to have watched these and they've thankfully been buried in history by other, much more respectable entries into the genre.

There's others missing, I know. I'm not as familiar with the X-Men series, I've seen the movies, but don't remember enough about them. They'd probably fit into the first and second category mostly. I also haven't seen Superman 3 and 4 save for bits and pieces. I have high hopes for future DC movies, but they've been hit and miss so far.

Any thoughts? Or have I already geeked out enough for everyone?
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: What Was Motown's Best Period? on: August 08, 2017, 07:30:19 PM
While I love early Motown, the later (1967 through 1975 or so) appeals to me more. There's more variety with the songs, topics wise.
For hard hitting songs, in my opinion, recordings by Stevie Wonder (Livin for the City, among many others), Edwin Starr (War), Temptations (Papa was a Rolling Stone), Supremes (Love Child), Marvin Gaye (What's Goin On and others) hold up very well even now.
Love Motown.

Good post! I agree with you, even your favorite time period of '67-75. Motown wasn't the consistent hit machine it once was in the later years, but every artist flying off in different directions made for some great music.
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Zombies Thread on: August 08, 2017, 07:26:06 PM
That's cool that you got to see Argent live. Even though you don't remember much of it, but no doubt it was cool.

I was only introduced to O&O around this time last year. lol I had only heard Time of the Season, but some guys on a music review site gave the album 5 stars (which they rarely do for any album), so I figured it must be good. And I was blown away.

I agree about the Pet Sound vibes in the album. I still feel that it falls short of PS and also Sgt. Pepper (even Revolver), but it can stack up against any of those. It's too bad they managed only one masterpiece, but I can also say that their first album (Begin Here) and The Singles A's & B's are definitely worth hearing.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A little love for Mr. Love on: August 08, 2017, 07:16:39 PM
What in the flying f*** does that have to do with the topic being discussed? Take your predictable hate speech somewhere else.

Some of us who have been pushed over the edge by his latest outrage i.e. the ill-timed, solo(!) McGrath-blemished DIA, right on the heels of the glorious Sunshine Tomorrow, are reacting to this equally ill-timed thread with a NIMBY attitude. Yes, we could just refrain from comment and let you ML deniers pat him and each other on the back ad nauseum, or we can express a dissenting opinion. That is what some of us are choosing to do, here and now. If you don't like it, lump it.

I thought this thread was supposed to highlight positive aspects of Mr. Love and his contributions to The Beach Boys, not to start a new Love bashing thread.  We have multiple threads for that - see the "does Mike Love realize he's despised by millions" thread above.  Because this thread focusses on positive things about Mike doesn't mean anyone has forgotten or forgiven his bad behavior or past transgressions or personality faults.  It's more like, we all know Mike is a **** but for something different what good things can we say about him?  C'mon, it's a fun fun fun intellectual exercise - rack your brains and come up with something.  Something nice, if you dare.

Man, I was listening to Surfin' the other night.

How did Mike love think of the "Bom bom dit di dit dip" bass part? So creative. Really carries the tune, actually.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does Mike Love realize he is despised by millions of fans? on: August 08, 2017, 04:26:39 PM
I think we need two more movies and at least three more books to really get to the bottom of things.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: August 08, 2017, 03:45:52 PM
They should've known better, alright!

Just kidding. It's alright.

20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Glen Campbell 1936-2017 on: August 08, 2017, 03:41:44 PM
 Cry Cry Cry
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #11: The Beatles (the White Album part 1) on: August 08, 2017, 03:18:27 PM
Mmm. Tough choice. Ringo's song is nice, but it always seemed like a low point on the album to me. Just a pleasant country song, but nothing that great. Then again, as much as I like certain parts of Piggies (the harpsichord is lovely), it's one of the songs I listen to the least on the album as well, and given how strong George's other songs are, it always seemed like a disappointment. Just too lightweight.

I'll go with Piggies
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #11: The Beatles (the White Album part 1) on: August 07, 2017, 06:37:15 PM
Wild Honey Pie also for me. It's sort of interesting, but it barely even feels like a real song. It's just so....weird, which isn't unusual for The Beatles, but it's also not very good, which is unusual for them.

23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does Mike Love realize he is despised by millions of fans? on: August 07, 2017, 06:18:08 PM
To hear him say it:

"For those who believe that Brian walks on water, I will always be the Antichrist." - According to Mike Love's Good Vibrations: My Life as a Beach Boy

I think he knows. And that ^^ is a pretty condescending way of putting it, too, which kinda reinforces the idea of him being viewed as the 'bad guy'. lol I personally like him but he doesn't make it easy sometimes.

What he says isn't untrue. 

But, I do think that "despised by millions" is an exaggeration. 

Good point on both counts.

I think he is probably despised by a million fans, not millions, if that's any consolation to him.
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / The Zombies Thread on: August 07, 2017, 06:12:44 PM
A thread to one of the best and overlooked groups of the 60's.

They are mostly know for a few hit songs, including "She's Not There", "Tell Her No" and "Time of the Season". The latter, ironically, became a hit song in 1968, long after the group had broken up in 1967. Even more ironically, the group broke up due to a lack of commercial success and intended their masterpiece, "Odessey and Oracle", to be their swan song (which it was). The album flopped, predictably, but it didn't stop Time of the Season from going to #3 on the charts a year later.

It just so happens that Odessey and Oracle (the typo in the first word was unintentional: the artist misspelled the word on the cover and the band did not have the money to have it re-done) is one of the greatest albums ever made. I've always found most of The Zombies work to be darker, a little harder edged than most, and the album mixes that with elements of psychedelia, rock, and baroque pop, with a hint of Beatles and Beach Boys harmony/production. Listen to the pop symphony sound of Care of Cell 44, especially the acapella breaks, the sad Rose for Emily, which sounds to me like a mix of 'For No One' and 'Eleanor Rigby'. Maybe After He's Gone is heartbreakingly beautiful, reminiscent of the melancholy found in some of Brian Wilson's best work. The intensely psychedelic Hung Up On a Dream, haunting Beechwood Park and the sad but surprisingly mature look at the end of a relationship in Brief Candles. The beautiful, uplifting This Will Be Our Year is also a highlight. A few tracks are simply expertly done pop, and a couple are only partially successful experiments, but overall, the Odessey and Oracle's stature as one of the great works of our time continues to grow (ranked #100 on Rolling Stone's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time).

Some other songs of theirs that I enjoy:

Whenever You're Ready:

Girl, Help Me:

The Way I Feel Inside:

Rod Argent and Chris White are both excellent songwriters and instrumentalists, as Colin Blunstone is one of my favorite singers as well. I'm not overly familiar with their solo catalog but the band 'Argent' (with songwriting and production help from White) had a huge hit with 'Hold Your Head Up' and Argent went on to record some apparently good solo albums. Maybe The Zombies weren't a revolutionary band, as they tended to follow trends rather than creating their own, they were still a top notch group, one of the best ever, and deserved better than a couple of hits before disbanding.

What do you guys think? Any Zombie related thoughts?
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: What Was Motown's Best Period? on: August 07, 2017, 10:45:46 AM
Man, Motown was awesome! Motown's best period, that's a tough question.

Great post there, JL. We're clearly of different generations as for me Motown peaked in '66. ;=)

Lol thanks. Yeah, I've always loved Motown, the Temptations are probably my favorite group aside from The Beatles and The Beach Boys.

You really can't go wrong with any era of Motown. 1966 was a great year for the label too. Admittedly I'm not as big a fan of the late 70's-80's Motown, but there's some amazing stuff there too.
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