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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett Update: He's Due to Be Released on: September 24, 2017, 12:32:48 PM
This is probably going to stir up some angry posts, but I'll say it anyway. Keep in mind that I haven't seen the security footage. Supposedly Scott was extremely drunk at the time of the rape. Hypothetically, can we forever condemn a man for his actions during what may have been a "blackout drunk"? Something that he would have absolutely no memory of, and something that he wouldn't have done in a million years, had he been "mentally conscious"(hypothetically speaking)? I don't deny that it was rape, and the girl in question is definitely scarred for life. But can we give up on him as a low down, evil rapist and preditor?
100% Agreed. I think, after he finished the sentence he deserved, he should be forgiven socially. He can't really be blamed for what he's done after that, because that'll make it hard for him to live. That situation would possibly lead him to committing another crime or suicide or something harmful to the society.

I'm a believer of human rights. Thus, I believe that those who once infringed other's human rights should be given rights as equally as those who doesn't commit crime after he's done with punishment. It'd be another story for serial or cruel murderers, though.



Glad to see this. A while back I claimed that mental illness and alcoholism can lead to some fu**ed up sh*t. I said something along the lines of imagining the possibility that brian could even have done something like this and everyone flipped out. This is a better way of wording my point. It's horrible, but don't condemn the person for life.

Just to reiterate: i don't believe he ever had, I just point to him as a person with mental issues who could hypothetically be in a situation like this
I remember that incident well. I understood your point. Hell, Brian tried to give his Damn daughter heroin. It's not quite the same thing, but it's an example of somebody becoming a total polar opposite of themselves when in an altered state.
I believe in rehabilitating prisoners rather than simply punishing them, but this line of reasoning is ridiculous and runs dangerously close to rationalizing/justifying rape. Bennett is not the victim here in any way, shape, or form, and what he did is absolutely disgusting beyond words, no matter how drunk or otherwise intoxicated he was. He is responsible for his actions, yet he’s being let off with a minimal sentence for destroying a young woman’s life.

To bring others like Brian into it and speculate about what they could have done in a similar situation is just insane and disgusting. Sort of like tacitly saying “we could all be rapists if we were high/drunk enough...” What is the point of these statements other than to justify S.B.’s rape of an unconscious woman?
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Do It Again 2017 Promo FIlm on: July 28, 2017, 12:58:20 PM
This is why I left the board for the better part of a year.

Sigh.

But I'm going to soldier on for one point.

Making fun of Mike's work and saying he's a talentless hack is quantifiably different than the criticism than Brian or NPP received.

The criticism was and is different.

How?

Mike is treated, even by those who despise him, as a free agent. A man capable of making his own musical and professional decisions, whether we agree with them (now and then) or mock them (frequently of late). You attack Mike Love, you're attacking him. And sometimes, he attacks you back. It's clean, simple, professional.

But Brian is treated by many of his critics, on and off this board, as a puppet. A person incapable of making musical, personal or creative decisions. An album is an opportunity to lambaste the network of support that Brian has built over the past two decades. It is dehumanizing. It treats mental illness as crippling. It treats effective psychotropic medication as disqualifying.

And enough people on this board, by the time No Pier Pressure was released, had heard enough from people who directly know Brian -- Ray and Debbie and the band members who tour with the man -- to know that such criticism is false.

The line has still been parroted. Not just by folks online and the more ignorant critics, but by Mike himself.

Brian is, of course, dependent on a social structure around him and medication. Sometimes he agrees to do things that are misguided. Sometimes he's eager to avoid conflict and acts against his arguable best interests. No one disagrees about that. But he's still the author of his life. He's still deciding, even if it's deciding to let other people chart the day-to-day details. Plenty of other rock stars -- plenty of other ordinary people -- do the same.

So, yeah. That's the point. That's the crux of it all. Criticize Brian if you must. Criticize his taste if you feel like it. But don't treat him like a vegetable, because it's offensive to a fellow human being.
Bingo! Thank you for articulating this. This attitude also extends to every single interviewer asking Brian mawkish questions about his mental illness and recovery... it's no wonder he gives one-word answers. Can you imagine?
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: July 16, 2017, 11:45:46 AM
Brian's solo career has seen its share of highs and lows, but I for one will always listen to what the man puts out. I'm not a big fan of No Pier Pressure (although it does have a few gems, like "I'm Feeling Sad" and "This Beautiful Day.")

It feels like perhaps Brian is ready for another explosion of creativity like the one he experienced after BWPS that led to That Lucky Old Sun, which is probably my favourite Brian solo album... Reimagines Gershwin is brilliant too.

I adored the production on Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin; his voice is the best it's sounded in his solo career, and there are none of the adult contemporary arrangements we've seen from Joe Thomas. Beautiful, beautiful record. Imagine an album of that quality, with TLOS-level material, featuring Al Jardine and Blondie et. Al!  3D

With all that said, is there any chatter about a new BW album? I know we are about to get a new track in "Run James Run" - will we be getting Pleasure Island/Rock and Roll album some time before 2020? Is Brian still working with a Joe Thomas, aside from the new track?
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Single on: July 10, 2017, 02:20:46 PM
Anyway, good to be back on SmileySmile Smiley

Welcome back!

I remember you posted a self-recorded BB track under the name b00ts----it was "Wonderful" (I just looked it up and revisited it) with those awesome ascending backing vocals... 
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed it! It's available for free download at isobelmorris.net. I will probably revisit it in a few years with the singer of Smashmouth and the guy who played Screech on Saved by the Bell Wink

It's good to be back Smiley And hi, SMiLe Brian!
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Single on: July 10, 2017, 01:02:41 PM
Mike is merely continuing his tradition of devaluing The Beach Boys brand. "Do It Again 2017" is the worst Beach Boys-related product I've heard thus far; pretty big achievement, all things considered.

For those comparing DIA '17 to No Pier Pressure, Brian doesn't always make the best choices artistically... but he *is* an artist. Brian is a person who creates new things, while Mike is someone who crassly, tastelessly attempts to exploit the BB brand for profit.

The fact that Love couldn't pick another Beach Boys song to redo, after having covered the same song last year and in 2012, speaks volumes to his creative bankruptcy. DIA '17 makes "Santa's Goin' to Kokomo" look like a real artistic statement.

"Do it! Do it!"  Grin WTF?!?

On the other hand, I do find myself listening this track and showing it to friends because of how absolutely horrible it is. That's something Do It Again '17 has going over the majority of No Pier Pressure, which is merely a bland, workmanlike Brian album - Imagination MK II.

Anyway, good to be back on SmileySmile Smiley
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