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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 08, 2020, 10:06:40 AM
This box set really could have been the one shining light in this otherwise god awful year

If FEEL FLOWS manages to be released on Carl's birthday, it will be for BB fans a lot like what Apollo 8 was for those who lived through 1968--a moment of healing that helped make it possible to keep "Goin' On." Hope springs eternal for a better world, and it would be a better world with this box set available for all to enjoy.

Not to tell Joel G. what to write in his updates...  Smokin ...but finding a way to convey that emotion--the special essence that sets BBs music apart from everyone else--is something that might connect in that way, particularly if people will post it all over social media.

We really have to try everything we can think of in order to help move the needle on this, folks...

FREE FEEL FLOWS!

I started following FreeFeelFlows on Twitter.  It keeps posting live versions of songs from this era and has directly asked the question about the Feel Flows box set to the Beach Boys Twitter accounts.  I doubt many of the guys actually run their own accounts though, so who knows if they even see stuff like that.
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce adjusting his microphone (stand) on: October 01, 2020, 10:22:27 AM
From the same concert, here is the patented loop de loop mic adjustment:

https://youtu.be/Y2ZXJpC3saQ?t=761
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian, Carolyn Williams, and 1979-1982 on: September 28, 2020, 09:09:36 AM
I find this period fascinating as well.  I am pretty sure I saw a picture of Brian and Carolyn once, probably on this board somewhere, but I can't find it now.
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: September 16, 2020, 01:07:25 PM
Ok, here's something else. I found this on youtube and it claims to be an alternate version of "The warmth of the sun". Now Willie's vocal is the same. The background voices also seem to be the same. But the mix sounds different. Is this legit or was it done by changing the adjustments of the sound on the DVD? You can hear some individual voices easier than on the released one. But I don't remember any outtakes and/or bootlegs of these sessions to ever come out.


The Beach Boys and Willie Nelson - Warmth Of The Sun (Alternate Version) Stars and Stripes Vol 1 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCSLr6yFY5g




Another thing I already asked but would like to know more about: Does a studio recording of Rodney Crowell's "Sail on Sailor" exist? It seems kinda odd to me to invite him for the concert and sing before actually recording the song in the studio. Not impossible but unlikely, I'd guess.

I can hear Brian a lot more on this version.  I do not know the answer to the Rodney Crowell question, but would love to have a copy of that if it exists.
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 16, 2020, 08:51:46 AM
Has anything changed in the past few months be it positive or negative about the release of the box set?
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 16, 2020, 04:45:26 AM
ESQ just tweeted about the box set, maybe that means it is moving forward?

https://twitter.com/ESQmagEditor/status/1306053498719670272
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 15, 2020, 08:56:26 AM
You guys, a vast majority here seriously have no idea what actually goes on behind closed doors with this band, its members, or the families and people closest to it. Please attempt to show a sign of respect to the band and act like fans they deserve, take the high road. Build each other up, don’t tear each other down. Heed the advice found in some of the band’s most heartfelt and meaningful lyrics. Lyrics that you guys are fans of.

The endless bickering is extremely laughable, and quite frankly, your clouded endless speculation has led most here to become way off-base as to the details of this possible release. Also, it’s apparent that you have no idea how absurd this looks because this thread has turned into a disgrace.

I truly wish for the fandom that this place would be more filled with discussions found in the last couple of pages of the insignificant questions thread than what’s been going on in this thread alone. I get it, this is a place to discuss and speculate, but it can be done in a much much more appropriate way.

Support the possible release of this set, but try to do it in a more positive manner.


With all due respect, I love talking about the most arcane of minutia when it comes to the BBs, but talking about who played the third overdubbed percussion on one track in 1965 is not going to help get "Feel Flows" released.

I've tried to help steer people away from fixating on naming the "who" in all of this, and especially the "why", because it's un-guess-able. I'd love for such a thread to remain 100% free of any excessive/unbecoming potshots and name-calling. But overall I think this thread has stayed on track. It hasn't become excessively ugly or anything. There's a lot of of speculation, much of which is not accurate. But I think it's all being pitched as speculation and guess work, because the band isn't discussing anything, and the "fanzine of record" for the band is also MIA on this.

This thread is not a "disgrace." I'm frankly tired of people popping into this thread with little or no contribution to it, only to cast their own judgment on it, or on the movement to get this set released.

If you want to have an "ESQ" attitude about this, say nothing, afford every band member every benefit of the doubt when it certainly seems like at least some members *do not* respect their fans, then have at it.

Bickering and name-calling and ugliness about the band and all of this is not productive. But that's not what this thread is. It's about keeping the conversation going, it's about making sure people don't forget about the issue of releasing this set. It's about not going back to threads about remixes of "Problem Child", Hal Blaine's sideburns, and s*itty Jan & Dean b-sides while ignoring this "Feel Flows" issue.

You say that most of us don't know what goes on behind the scenes, and that we should respect the band. Well, that issue of respect working both ways is something that could encompass its own thread, so I won't delve too far into that. But I will say that I *do* know what has happened/is happening when it comes to "Feel Flows", and while it has been explained a thousand times in this thread why all of that information can't just be barfed out there, I think it's fair to say that knowing what the actual deal is, it's pretty laughable to take this "let's just give everybody the benefit of the doubt" ESQ-style mentality about the set.

Further, anybody that knows how the politics of this stuff works *also* knows that immediately going into overdrive and insulting band members, or name-calling, etc. are also *not* productive. The reason the issue of this set being back-burnered got brought up here was not to turn this thing into a griping session. It was and is to make people aware it exists, without naming names or betraying confidences, and to help people realize the solution is to say *loud and often*, but respectfully, that we want this set.

That's what's happening in thread.

I think many folks here still don't understand the full subtext of what's happening with this set and more importantly the subtext of how and why we've been made aware of its existence and delay in an effort to get the thing released.

For those that like to take the sort of "mob wife" attitude when it comes to this band, the ESQ attitude if you will, of ignoring any internal politics or negativity, and want to just delve into fandom only on *their* terms and only discuss their pet interests; if you want to ignore an amazing set slipping through the cracks and just talk about what type of mics they used at Western in July of 1964, then you can continue to just do that. I personally am happy to do both. I bow to nobody in my interest in every bit of minutia with this band. But I also know how to prioritize and how to keep perspective, and keep things real.

Can you tell us if there is any movement at all in getting it released, positive or negative?
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 10, 2020, 08:20:15 AM
I started following @flows_feel on Twitter that I saw popup after Van Dyke Parks and Carnie Wilson liked a post from them.  It looks like @flows_feel is posting songs from the box set era and asking people to sign the petition.  Just thought I would pass it on.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 08, 2020, 01:27:53 PM
Mine was rhetorical question. If I were looking for serious answers re: copyright extension I’d consult a music lawyer (and even they don’t seem to agree on the European copyright thing). Some musicians including The Beach Boys have just been playing it safe – that’s all.

I just think it’s funny that the very same posters who used to carefully explain in legal terms why The Beach Boys were releasing piles of session outtakes and concerts are the same people who are now explaining how only unreleased songs are in copyright peril. It’s almost as if nobody knows anything. Including me.

I think it’s possible we get a 5CD boxset.
I think it’s possible we get a large digital dump at the end of the year.
I think it’s possible we get a bare bones handful of 1970 songs at the end of the year.
I think it’s possible we get nothing.


I think the continual disconnect with a few people who seem to be determined to burst into the room and tell everyone "nobody knows anything, so what's the point?" is that some people DO know something. Some people know enough about what's going on that they know better than to make a list of 50 "possible" outcomes in all of this, and then sit back and fold their arms and say "any of this could happen, none of us know, so what's the big deal?"

In terms of discussing the "Feel Flows" set, if you're focusing on the "legal" aspect of copyright extension, then you're missing the entire point. As others have said, the "Copyright Extension" sets are pretty clear in their prompts. They cover small hand fulls of tracks that *probably* need protection, and then they use the opportunity to then also EXPAND the sets to include a lot of stuff they *don't* have to.

The only reason any of that is even germane to "Feel Flows" is that there is a *wide* gap between what probably *needs* to be released before the end of the year, and what is actually on the set. The decision to release the actual prepared boxed set before the end of the year could be the difference between a multi-disc boxed set and that 2019 "I'm Going Your Way" EP.

But again, delving into who is an "expert" in copyright extension is entirely missing the point. The box was already authorized to prepare and is ready to go. The machinations going on right now have nothing to do with the legalities of copyright extension. As stated above, the only area where that comes into play is in a scenario where the set *doesn't* come out soon enough, or at all. That then sets in motion several possible outcomes, none of which are preferable to just releasing the full set, and most of which are quite worse.


What else do you think could be done by fans to further the release of this set?
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 03, 2020, 01:42:05 PM

@CorkontheOcean - FANTASTIC POST (I don't even know how you found those ESQ quotes but that was awesome work). I wish posts could be stickied to the tops of pages because that post would clear up a lot of confusion that seems to enter into this thread every few days. As for ESQs thoughts on the majorative vote, I would really like to know what Guitarfool or HeyJude have to say about that. I'm not saying ESQ is wrong, but if they are right then that opens a whole slew of unbelievable scenarios.

I don't know of any scenario that I've heard described where a unanimous vote is required at BRI. They work on a majority vote for everything I've heard about. I don't believe there are different rules for archival releases.

The only thing to note concerning hits packages vs. archival releases is that Capitol can put out compilations of previously released material that they own (meaning mainly of course 60s material) without BRI approval. This explains the zillion hits compilations over the years. Any previously unreleased 60s material has to be okayed by BRI to be released, and of course after that BRI owns most of the tapes themselves.

Mike described in an interview in the last few years how the other three BRI voters said yes to the "Love & Mercy" soundtrack and it went ahead without his vote.

If you dig through those old BRI vs. Al Jardine lawsuits from years ago, you'll see a few references to BRI votes, and they describe non-unanimous votes as well.

I have no reason to believe "Feel Flows" could be delayed by a single BRI voter. Or a better way to look at it is that I don't know of a scenario where a "3 to 1" vote to release the set could be blocked (apart from lawsuits/temporary injunction sort of situations, and I have no reason to believe anything like that is happening with "Feel Flows.)

So as of now there are at least 2 votes saying no, which is why it isn't being released, correct? 

I have been pretty excited about working to get people to sign the petition, but am now starting to just be frustrated that no announcements or statements from the band are occurring.  At this point I am starting to wish I didn't know about the set, so I wouldn't be disappointed.
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 02, 2020, 04:07:12 AM
The petition is now up to 1,028.

http://chng.it/cPXJsqNBKJ
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: August 28, 2020, 10:23:23 AM
The story of how this album came together is far more interesting than the album itself.

It's awful, awful music performed mostly by people who didn't care about it.

I can't think of something more bland in the history of recorded music than "I Get Around" by Sawyer Brown. Although another half dozen or more songs on the album give it a good run.

The only good thing that came of it was that it tanked. That was a good thing. Imagine if it had somehow had fluke success. We'd have had more of that "formula."

Although, by 1998 studio projects under the BB name were basically a non-starter either way I suppose.

How about Fun, Fun, Fun by Ricky Van Shelton.

There are a handful of tracks that I like on the record:

409 - Junior Brown - I have seen him on concert, he is an awesome guitar player
The Warmth of the Sun
Help Me Rhonda
Caroline No

I also liked In My Room by Wynette and Sail On Sailer by Rodney Crowell as outtakes.
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: August 28, 2020, 07:06:42 AM
I agree that NPP is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. However, it could easily have been much better:

Side A:
1. This Beautiful Day
2. On The Island
3. The Right Time
4. Whatever Happened
5. Guess You Had To Be There
6. Tell Me Why

Side B:
1. I'm Feeling Sad
2. Somewhere Quiet
3. Half Moon Bay
4. One Kind of Love
5. Sail Away
6. The Last Song

To me, this puts together the best of the sessions musically, and with some great guest features from Zooey & Kacey. It also works wonderfully as a single LP follow-Up to TWGMTR, and I wish we got something like this for the vinyl version.


I would ditch Half Moon Bay and put Saturday Night on instead.
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: August 28, 2020, 06:56:58 AM
For those with doubts or questions about Stars & Stripes, this is the background, of course corrections and comments welcome...but this is pretty much the deal.

Those names in the album credits, "Eddie Haddad" and "Dan Wojcik", Haddad is a promoter and Wojcik was a booking agent (he since passed away).

Eddie Haddad's company is EJH Entertainment, and they organize, manage, and promote concerts and events among other things. Mike Love was one of Haddad's clients, and EJH not only was a consultant to Mike but also was involved in the NASCAR salute release that was given out at "76" gas stations in the 90's. Hank Williams Jr was a client too.

Dan Wojcik as a booking agent had a lot of Nashville and country music clients with his agency "Entertainment Artists", and booked shows, did promotions, etc working also with Joe Thomas' company River North Records which was in Chicago and Nashville in the 90's. River North was the label for Stars & Stripes. Dan also worked with Hank Jr.

So Haddad who had promoted shows for Hank Jr and the Beach Boys said to Joe Thomas how it would be a good idea if Hank Jr recorded a cover of "Help Me Rhonda". Joe agreed. That explains that credit on the album liners.

Joe Thomas got in touch with Mike Love, according to the liners it involved Dan Wojcik in the process. There is that explanation of that credit in the liners. Wojcik seems to have been the go-between or the facilitator to get Joe in touch with Mike. I'm sure it wasn't that simple, but still...there were the connections that explain the album credits with these names.

Joe mentioned the idea to Mike, and Mike and Joe started planning things out and running ideas for it to happen. So there is Mike's role from the start - he was the point of contact at this time, it's who Joe went to in order to discuss the project and make plans.

In planning the project, again it was originally the thought to have Hank Jr cut a version of Help Me Rhonda, Willie Nelson's name came up. Mike's offer was if they get Willie Nelson, they'll get Brian Wilson too, in return. So Mike got Joe in contact with Brian, and Brian says I'll do it if you get Willie to sing "Warmth Of The Sun".

The band traveled to Texas and cut Warmth Of The Sun at Willie's studio, with Brian's participation and obvious support (it was his 'demand' if you will to have Willie cut that song out of all the choices), and thus began the project. Willie was the first to record with them, and having him involved gave the project some clout in Nashville - If Willie did it, it's legit, all of that political Nashville music biz stuff that goes on. Willie was happy, the band was happy, it rolled on.

Then the guests and song choices started coming in, to the point where eventually they had enough to have two Stars & Stripes albums.

James House was given the lead single, he was the singer i mentioned earlier was on Letterman with the surviving Beach Boys doing backup for him. "Little Deuce Coupe". There were plans to have House be the opening act for Beach Boys live shows as well. There was a TV special too (which I also recorded in the day), and I know Kathy Troccoli was on the Regis and Kathie Lee show with the Beach Boys (minus Brian) to perform and promote "I Can Hear Music".

So that's about it. An idea from a promoter to have Hank Jr cover a BB's song put Joe Thomas in touch with Mike Love, who together outlined plans for the project and got the ball rolling. Brian got involved after Willie Nelson agreed to do Warmth Of The Sun. Everything (and everyone) involved after that initial session at Willie's studio in Texas you'll have to fill in the rest.  Smiley



I would like to know what happened to Hank Jr covering HMR, and who else was on the docket besides Tammy Wynette with In My Room and Rodney Crowell with Sail on Sailor.



Reports mentioned the possibility of having Hank Jr, Dolly Parton, Merle Haggard (I believe the solo "California Saga" Al recorded - used in Endless Harmony - was a demo for Haggard; it does indeed sound a lot like his singing style). Ronnie Milsap was supposed to do "Surfer girl" and Steve Earle to do "Shut down", I heard.

Having a realistic "What could've been" of this album is actually one of my favorite phantasies of 90s Beach Boys. Here's a couple of ideas:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12521.msg635016/topicseen.html#msg635016


Just imagine what George Jones would sound like on "God only knows". He and Tammy Wynette just did a new album together at that time so maybe they could've done a duet on "Let's put our hearts together"... So much potential for an interesting and great release. But as it's the Beach Boys, so it became what we have today.

You mentioning Steve Earle reminds me of going to Borders Books and Music before this album came out.  They had a terminal where you could look up albums.  I remember seeing the Steve Earle and Merle Haggard entries in there.  Then when it came out it was different.  I also remember looking up the IJWMFTT soundtrack before it came out, it had Finders Keepers listed.  They must have taken a list of songs that were in the movie, but didn't know what would be on the soundtrack.
65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 28, 2020, 04:56:10 AM
With people posting to social media about the box set, maybe we should include the link to the petition each time, so the Brian, Al, and Mike see that link, and it exposes others in the social media thread to the petition to potentially sign it.
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: August 26, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
For those with doubts or questions about Stars & Stripes, this is the background, of course corrections and comments welcome...but this is pretty much the deal.

Those names in the album credits, "Eddie Haddad" and "Dan Wojcik", Haddad is a promoter and Wojcik was a booking agent (he since passed away).

Eddie Haddad's company is EJH Entertainment, and they organize, manage, and promote concerts and events among other things. Mike Love was one of Haddad's clients, and EJH not only was a consultant to Mike but also was involved in the NASCAR salute release that was given out at "76" gas stations in the 90's. Hank Williams Jr was a client too.

Dan Wojcik as a booking agent had a lot of Nashville and country music clients with his agency "Entertainment Artists", and booked shows, did promotions, etc working also with Joe Thomas' company River North Records which was in Chicago and Nashville in the 90's. River North was the label for Stars & Stripes. Dan also worked with Hank Jr.

So Haddad who had promoted shows for Hank Jr and the Beach Boys said to Joe Thomas how it would be a good idea if Hank Jr recorded a cover of "Help Me Rhonda". Joe agreed. That explains that credit on the album liners.

Joe Thomas got in touch with Mike Love, according to the liners it involved Dan Wojcik in the process. There is that explanation of that credit in the liners. Wojcik seems to have been the go-between or the facilitator to get Joe in touch with Mike. I'm sure it wasn't that simple, but still...there were the connections that explain the album credits with these names.

Joe mentioned the idea to Mike, and Mike and Joe started planning things out and running ideas for it to happen. So there is Mike's role from the start - he was the point of contact at this time, it's who Joe went to in order to discuss the project and make plans.

In planning the project, again it was originally the thought to have Hank Jr cut a version of Help Me Rhonda, Willie Nelson's name came up. Mike's offer was if they get Willie Nelson, they'll get Brian Wilson too, in return. So Mike got Joe in contact with Brian, and Brian says I'll do it if you get Willie to sing "Warmth Of The Sun".

The band traveled to Texas and cut Warmth Of The Sun at Willie's studio, with Brian's participation and obvious support (it was his 'demand' if you will to have Willie cut that song out of all the choices), and thus began the project. Willie was the first to record with them, and having him involved gave the project some clout in Nashville - If Willie did it, it's legit, all of that political Nashville music biz stuff that goes on. Willie was happy, the band was happy, it rolled on.

Then the guests and song choices started coming in, to the point where eventually they had enough to have two Stars & Stripes albums.

James House was given the lead single, he was the singer i mentioned earlier was on Letterman with the surviving Beach Boys doing backup for him. "Little Deuce Coupe". There were plans to have House be the opening act for Beach Boys live shows as well. There was a TV special too (which I also recorded in the day), and I know Kathy Troccoli was on the Regis and Kathie Lee show with the Beach Boys (minus Brian) to perform and promote "I Can Hear Music".

So that's about it. An idea from a promoter to have Hank Jr cover a BB's song put Joe Thomas in touch with Mike Love, who together outlined plans for the project and got the ball rolling. Brian got involved after Willie Nelson agreed to do Warmth Of The Sun. Everything (and everyone) involved after that initial session at Willie's studio in Texas you'll have to fill in the rest.  Smiley



I would like to know what happened to Hank Jr covering HMR, and who else was on the docket besides Tammy Wynette with In My Room and Rodney Crowell with Sail on Sailor.
67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: why does brian thank the hayward and lodge in the notes to \ on: August 20, 2020, 01:00:41 PM
on Brians s/t 1988 cd it says special thanks incl john lodge and justin hayward of the moody blues- i was wondering why them.  also lindsey buckingham was thanked

I think Brian had some writing sessions with the John and Justin at the time.  He appeared on stage with them at a concert around this time.  Lindsey was thanked because he co-wrote "He Couldn't Get His Poor Old Body To Move."
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 19, 2020, 01:52:33 PM
This was addressed a couple weeks ago in the thread, but as far as I'm hearing, the trophy hunting gig situation has zero to do with the current "Feel Flows" situation.

I also don't think marketing or pricing issues or questions about the interest/marketability are at play. It was greenlit and *completed*; it's money and time spent at this stage, so the ideal thing for everybody would be to have the set released, and that investment can be recouped.

I've mentioned several times in previous posts that focusing too much on the *why* of the hold-up is kind of a non-starter. It's not going to be made public any time soon, if ever. Because of that, and because from everything I'm hearing the issues don't have anything to do with the *content* of the set, the best course is to convince them why releasing the set is a good idea.

Have you heard if the petition has helped at all?
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 18, 2020, 10:13:33 AM
Has anyone heard from Howie of Stebbins about if anyone at BRI cares about the petition at change.org.  It looks like it is starting to stall at 640 signatures.
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 12, 2020, 09:20:59 AM
The petition reached its initial goal of 500 signatures overnight.

Pointless exercise or not, at least fans who are now aware of the situation have an opportunity to voice their support for releasing this set.

It makes me wonder why some elements of the Beach Boys fan community are against this petition, and also seem to be upset at fans who are speaking up and saying they'd like to see it released.

Hmmm.

Anyway, the petition reached its initial 500 signature goal, now the results can be seen by those most closely involved.

Well done.  Smiley



I think the goal is incremental.  When I first looked at it the initial goal was 250, then it moved to 500, now it is 1000.

That's true, it's incremental - 500 was the goal as of yesterday and it was met, so now it increases.

500 signatures and counting from fans supporting a deluxe box set is a pretty strong message being sent, I'd think.

I agree, especially since it has only been talked about on message boards, no widespread coverage of it.
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What actually happened to Dennis' aborted solo album in '72? on: August 12, 2020, 09:05:22 AM
I understand that he went though a divorce around that time, but otherwise I've not seen much explanation as to why his first solo project was scrapped. Was it the failure of Sound of Free/Lady that dissuaded him?

I feel like Dennis showed a huge amount of potential as a writer in the early 70's, but he squandered it to a degree.

I don't have any insight, but it's interesting to think how much of that notional solo album ended up coming out anyway:

* Cuddle Up
* Make It Good
* Sound of Free
* Lady
* Only With You (albeit with a Carl vocal)
* Barbara (in demo form)

And that's leaving aside whatever material eventually recorded during the POB/Bambu sessions originated during this period, and the stuff that was definitely earmarked for the Beach Boys (e.g. WIBNTLA).

I don't know that I agree with the premise that Dennis "squandered" his potential. Taking these songs and the POB/Bambu material into account, did any other member of the band except Brian compose as much during the '70s?

The following songs were also talked about:

* It's a New Day
* Behold the Night
* Ecology
* Baby Baby
* Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 12, 2020, 09:02:24 AM
The petition reached its initial goal of 500 signatures overnight.

Pointless exercise or not, at least fans who are now aware of the situation have an opportunity to voice their support for releasing this set.

It makes me wonder why some elements of the Beach Boys fan community are against this petition, and also seem to be upset at fans who are speaking up and saying they'd like to see it released.

Hmmm.

Anyway, the petition reached its initial 500 signature goal, now the results can be seen by those most closely involved.

Well done.  Smiley



I think the goal is incremental.  When I first looked at it the initial goal was 250, then it moved to 500, now it is 1000.
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 11, 2020, 07:00:54 PM
http://chng.it/cPXJsqNBKJ

I scanned back a few pages and couldn’t see the petition link so thought it might be useful to repost. Let’s hope this gets to see the light at some point soon!

The petition needs roughly 40 more votes to reach its goal, how about a push to make it happen?

I'd like to see it reach the goal not just to let the band members, BRI, and the label know how many fans are pledged to buying a *deluxe box set* that is completed and currently held up, but also to show those who are calling this petition pointless, a waste of time, etc how invested real fans of this band are...and how the lectures and finger-wagging at "entitled" fans are the really pointless, unnecessary, and unwelcome activities.

Here's the link again, share it with other entitled fans who do pointless things (sarcasm...) and let the band and all involved know how many are holding the cash and cards waiting to buy this music.

http://chng.it/cPXJsqNBKJ

I sent it out to the old PSML email list, and Hughes from France forwarded it to a France user group.  18 more signatures to reach 500.  Although, I believe once it hits 500 it will have a new goal.
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 11, 2020, 05:44:16 AM
Would love to hear a stereo mix of Sound of Free.

From what I've heard, the multi tracks for the final version of Sound of Free aren't in the vaults.

I agree that would be awesome, but I heard the same thing about the multi tracks.  I think that is why the MIC Sound of Free is a needle drop.  Great lyrics by Mike on that one!
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: August 10, 2020, 01:27:36 PM
I really want this box set and signed the change.org petition.  Since the copyright extensions started, I have been looking forward to this year to start getting stuff from the 70s, I am a completist and want everything.  To me the early 1970s will likely show each band member making great music.  In my opinion, one of Mike's best compositions is the original Big Sur, would love to have that in a pristine form.  Dennis was really shining during the early 70s and would love more of that.  Brian was more active than the standard narrative shows, so more Brian productions or demos would be awesome.  Carl was really starting to compose some great songs in the early 1970s.  Al and Bruce also had good compositions as well as the introduction of Ricky and Blondie.

I think this set will show that each member had great contributions and will heighten the legacy of the Beach Boys.  I will be buying multiple copies to give some as gifts (you don't have to wait until Christmas, I will give the gifts now).  Please release this, I am 100% confident it is awesome and will showcase everyone's abilities.  People are still stuck at home, and getting some new music to dive into would be awesome.

To summarize:

The Feel Flows set is completed and is releasable at this point.  That is a certainty.

Something is holding the release of this set up, and we don’t actually know for certain what that “something” is.

The only thing anyone can do if they want this set released in its current, completed form, is to contact anyone connected with the band and voice their eagerness to purchase this set.

Is that about right???

Yes, and we can also let them know right here on this board that we want it. That's a big part too. More discussion of how much we want the set, and perhaps also pointing out the foolhardy proposition of *not* releasing the set, and then discussing why this set would be so amazing.

No histrionics, no harassment, no end of the world. Just passionate advocating.
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