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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THE BEACH BOYS ANNOUNCE 50TH ANNIVERSARY REUNION, NEW ALBUM AND TOUR on: December 16, 2011, 09:21:05 AM
This is unbelievably exciting!!!! I really hope Christian Love and Matt Jardine are involved vocally, but no matter who's involved, this is awesome!!
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson I Feel so Fine on: December 10, 2011, 11:03:06 PM
I think its the not very believable Brian vocal that does it for me.

agreed!  check this version:
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl & Passions/Pet Sounds LP on: December 04, 2011, 06:18:51 PM
I paid 15 pounds sterling for mine, so I'd say that's a good price if in good condition. The best sounding Pet Sounds, in my opinion. And the best sounding CATP, if that matters to you  Wink

Carl and the Passions is one of the albums that suffered most in the transfer to cd in my opinion.  The front side really leaps out of the speakers on the vinyl, the drums on Here She Comes especially, and Dennis songs also feel a lot more dynamic.  The CD sounds really dead to my ears, by comparison.  And this is coming from someone who often prefers the sound of CDs to vinyl (that being what I grew up with, I think being the main factor). 
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Geronimo Leaps and Bounds For Glory Over The Dust Bowl? on: November 22, 2011, 01:11:44 AM
Probably written by Mike Love, it came to him in a TM trance. He pitched it to Brian back in the 60s but it never took. Maybe that's why he's so bitter about the whole smile thing.

You know, having just watched from the scene posted here to the end (and I haven't seen the whole thing in a while, so I'm basically talking about half a movie), this movie was a lot better and lot more balanced than I expected.  Mike didn't really come off all that great, he lost his temper from time to time, they portrayed him sort of taking the TM thing too far.  And while Brian was definitely played as very mentally ill, Brian was mentally ill, and watching him go on stage at the end and seemlessly become mid-to-late-70s Brian on stage was a reminder that there must have been some very, very difficult moments between him and the rest of the band, much as this movie seemed to depict them.  Also, Murry was well acted. 

So I guess I was a bit impressed.  I mean, far from perfect and all sorts of things that were compressed or left out or misrepresented, but a lot of that just goes with the making a movie out of life territory, and based on the way people talk about it I expected so much worse.
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The very worst Beach Boys related 'song' ever released on: November 13, 2011, 08:59:44 PM
I like Problem Child, too. what's wrong with me?

So far as I'm concerned, Problem Child is one of what I like to call the "phone book songs."  They're songs that prove the adage, "Carl Wilson could sing a page out of the phone book and it would sound amazing." Although I might rather here Carl sing the phone book, it really doesn't matter how dreadful the song is, I listen anyway, just to hear that voice.  There are a good number of songs that fall into that category for me in the 80s. It's Gettin Late is my favorite of said category. 

As for the topic at hand: Summer of Love really is horrifying.  The fact that it was a single, and has a horrific video to boot, really adds to the train-wreck quality of the thing.  And it somehow manages to be almost as creepy as "Hey Little Tomboy," with none of the melodic engagement (then again, the very catchiness of Hey Little Tomboy amplifies its disturbing-ness quiet a bit...)
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Do You Like Holidays on: November 11, 2011, 02:34:26 PM
After reading Holy Bee's post over in the Do You Like Worms thread, I found that I couldn't stop thinking about his theory.  It's not that it's likely (it's not), it's weirdly compelling though, and I started to think: I wonder what a finished Holiday's with Do You Like Worms lyrics might have sounded like?  Soon, I found myself singing Worms lyrics to Brian's snippet of Holiday's melody in the shower.  And then, I decided to finish it myself!

I present you with: Do You Like Holidays!

Note: there have been a few surprisingly rude responses to a few fan edits and mixes and experiments on this board recently, and so I'd just like to clarify: I did this for fun.  Not because I think that I have some secret key to what Smile would have sounded like, or because I'm just as talented as Brian Wilson and Gosh Darnit my Holidays is the only one!  In fact, my version of Holidays only took about an hour, and it features me singing vocal arrangements I made up as I went, and it basically all around sucks compared to the original.  But I think it is fun to listen to, and fun to think about what a finished Holidays might have sounded like, so I did it anyway.  If you have positive comments, great, if you have constructive feedback, fine, but please don't tell me that "not to be rude but this friggin sucks."  It's just for fun.
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian on Jimmy Kimmel show on: November 09, 2011, 04:23:00 PM
I Know This Is Off Topic But Youtube Doesnt Have 2 Songs I Wanna Hear :/..
Beach Boys - Belles Of Paris
Brian Wilson - Lay Down Burden...
Can Anyone Upload Those 2 On There 4 Me Plz? Smiley

I'm not quite sure what's going through your head as you post this strange request, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and do my best to be helpful.

Belles of Paris was on the MIU album, it is available for purchase on itunes for 99 cents, although its probably worth having the whole record, which can be found in a twofer with LA Light Album (which is essential in my opinion) both on itunes and in a surprising number of the world's remaining record stores.   

Lay Down Burden was on the Imagination album, and is also available for purchase in itunes, but is also an album absolutely worth owning. 

However, if you just want to hear any released beach boys song legally without purchasing it, I recommend the Beach Boys own Myspace page.
Scroll down to album, click "see all 69," and listen away. 

I haven't the slightest idea why the Beach Boys posted their entire catalog free on myspace, but they did, so you're in luck!
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What Might Carl Have Added to the TSS Project Had He Still Been Around? on: November 07, 2011, 03:05:11 PM
Is it likely that Carl may have remembered some pieces or connections that have slipped Brian's memory?

Based on Carl's work finishing Our Prayer, Cabinessence, and especially Surf's Up, his incredible production and arranging skills, his presence at many Smile sessions, the irreplaceable kinship he felt with Brian based on their being family, and the fact that his voice only seemed to get better with age, I strongly feel that Carl Wilson was 100% as capable of finishing Smile as Brian, whether in 1968, 1971, or today.  Of course, the level of work required and the fact that it just wasn't Carl's music to begin with, I think is what kept him from actually doing it.  But given his success with Surf's Up, and I think that Carl could asolutely created a finished version of Do You Like Worms which we would likely now view just as authoritatively as we do his Cabinessence and Surf's Up, that he could easily have put together an elements suite drawing on Cool Cool Water and the Fire Music, and that generally speaking he had what it took to finish the album...minus the desire to finish the album or the sense that it was his place to do so much work on Brian's child. 

That said, given how close Worms was to finished, and the fact that the lyrics and melody survived, I think it is an absolute tragedy that Carl didn't finish and release the song in 1979 for the LA Light album as planned. 
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile Back Cover Photo on: November 06, 2011, 06:14:36 PM
I think that contract issue is a real shame.  I think had Bruce been on the cover of Summer Days and especially on the iconic cover of Pet Sounds, he would never be thought of as a "second class" member the way he sometimes seems to be.
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions box set! on: October 26, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
And since my good friend runners has brought up "Surf's Up 1967" we might as well get to it. What do you all think that "Surf's Up 1967" was intended for? Wild Honey? Or the infamous ten-track SMiLE that was gonna come out after Smiley Smile. I guess since it was on the "County Air" reel or whatever that maybe that makes it a Wild Honey candidate, which would raise the level of the album even higher than it is right now, which is pretty high. As I said earlier, I think Smiley Smile with "Surf's Up" on it becomes a total classic, because I think "Surf's Up" was the ultimate release the album needed, just like Sgt. Pepper's needed "A Day in the Life". And imagine "Surf's Up" ending Wild Honey rather than "Mama Says". That would be pretty nuts. It would also make "How She Boogalooed It" sound even worse. I just wonder if it was just an off the cuff thing, but I imagine it wasn't, because he did like five takes apparently. My, how things would be different if it were on Wild Honey. Maybe it wouldn't repair their image totally, but I think it woulda been quite a big deal.

My guess is that he recorded this for the same reason he recorded the piano demo during Smile, because he knew the song was good and he wanted to make sure it existed on tape; not because he had immediate plans to release it, but because he knew deep down that he'd created something important, and he wanted to make sure that it survived.  And of course, he was never happy with the vocal on the 66 version, was he? Or do we think that was just his way of distancing himself from the song?   

Also, although I haven't heard the wild honey surfs up yet (only one more week, I can do this), its hard for me to imagine surfs up ending wild honey.  Wild honey is one of my favorite albums, but I just can't wrap my head around including surf's up on it.  What would one even make of an album like that?  Perchance once I get this boxset I'll burn myself a CD and find out :-)
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BB Historical Sites Thread. (Please Exclude Current PRIVATE Address's) on: October 12, 2011, 10:17:10 PM
Here's a cool video of the Turtles bouncing around outside of Pandora's Box (I assume the same one as Brian and Marilyn fame?) which I stumbled onto the other day and thought was semi-relevant! around 0:35.
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Between Holland & 15 Big Ones....Why & What was the main reason? on: October 08, 2011, 05:20:51 PM
I've always been sort of curious as to what happened with Blondie, Ricky, and Riley (and tell me THAT isn't a good name for a band!). I've heard that Jack was keen on keeping the Wilsons as the principal songwriters, was the success of Endless Summer enough for Mike, Al, and Bruce to force him out and assert themselves as equal members of the group? Especially since he seemed working with the group pretty closely during Holland and before, it's weird that they experienced such a turnaround.

Riley decided for personal reasons to stay in Holland after the Holland record.  Since he was no longer present to defend himself, I think it then became fairly easy for those who liked him less to persuade those who liked him more. not to mention the difficult of managing a band from 6,000 miles away. 
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The on: October 06, 2011, 03:00:59 AM
There was a thread a while back where the actually found where the reels were supposed to have been, but they were gone |...] Is it possible they are still there, but were just put back in the wrong place?

Yeah, I remember having seen this thread or at least similar info here or on another board/site.

The only thing that seems odd to me is that nobody seems to be in the power to investigate properly, not even Mr. Boyd or Linett.  Huh

The problem, so far as I see it, isn't that no one has the power to investigate properly.  It's that the reels aren't in any of the places their supposed to be.  So at that point, its like, to make an analogy, trying to find a book in the library.  If it's not shelved where its call number is, good luck ever finding it. It might be there in the stacks somewhere, and someone might even run across it some day, but you're not going to find it yourself. Now imagine that you don't even know what library it's in. That you don't even know if the tapes survived the 60s to begin with!  There's just no way to find something like that once its been misplaced from the finding aid that refers to the collection. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack the size of the empire state building. 

On the bright side, I think there's a shot it may turn up in the next twenty years, as more and more libraries and archives are digitized, because digitizing a tape library requires actually going through every single item in it, and undergoing such a process might turn up things that have been mis-shelved or otherwise misplaced.  Effectively, a new finding aid has been created for the collection, and so access is restored.
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The on: October 05, 2011, 09:11:23 PM

It would make perfect sense to think that the lead was recorded in some fashion in '66, either by Brian as a demo or by Carl as a shot at actually recording it.  Much like "Worms," somebody must have taken a stab at it at some point.  Why record literally everything else but the lead?

You could ask the same thing of Barnyard and Child is the Father of the Man. I think one of the great tragedies of Smile being abandoned is the fact that there is absolutely no record of lyrics or melody for the latter song though I can't imagine that they weren't written.

I used to be of this opinion, but I'm not anymore.  Brian has certainly been known to track a song before the lyrics were written, and I really can't imagine that Van Dyke Parks could have written a lyric for the song and then forgotten it entirely.  Van Dyke seems like a pretty lucid guy, and I think if he had written lyrics for The Child is the Father of the Man, he would have mentioned at some point or another that "oh, we wrote lyrics for that one, don't know what happened to them" or something along those lines.  Frankly, I find it hard to imagine that the man hasn't been asked outright, given the number of people who would want to know.  The real tragedy in my opinion isn't that we lost the lyrics, its that we lost the melody.  Because that much more likely was written, or at least, Brian probably had some idea of how it would go.  And a 1966 Brian Wilson melody is an irreplaceable treasure, worth more than just about anything.  Many people have written good lyrics, lyrics better than anything on Smile.  But very, very few in the history of humanity are the people who can compose a song like Brian Wilson could in 1966.   imho.
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When Brian Wilson met John Lennon on: October 05, 2011, 09:00:10 PM
Frankly, this one sounds a lot more like a Brian put-on story than a Brian memory-loss story.
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: In The Key Of Disney on: September 22, 2011, 09:51:43 PM

Can't really argue with that. Hell, I'll thrown in Baby Mine as well.

Baby Mine is just...incredible.  I like many of the songs, there are a few I like less, and a few I like more.  The giant grin that plasters across my face everytime I hear the Hi HOOOOOOOOOOOOO in Hi Ho is just...awesome.  But Baby Mine.  I've been listening to it over and over.  It helps that its such a gorgeous song, but the way Brian sings it and the arrangement is just so beautiful.
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: In The Key Of Disney on: September 20, 2011, 09:41:45 AM
I don't think its Jeff's voice persay, I think its the parts he sings, and I have a theory why.  Brian arranges all these backing vocals.  But the one part of the backing vocals he probably didn't fully think out in the 60s when he learned to arrange backing vocals was his own part, which he'd just sing. And so now, mirroring the way he always worked, Brian probably gives everyone their parts and then tells Jeff to "sing a falsetto."  And because Jeff isn't Brian, it comes out good but not spectacular. 

Just a theory. 

Anyway, I love the album.  Kiss the Girl is weirdly spectacular - yet another reminder that Brian should get around to that rock n roll album.  Baby Mine is gorgeous.  Hi/Ho is hilarious.  I have a feeling this album would go over super well with a 7 or 8 year old, which was, I believe, the point.  I can just imagine my 8 year old self making my parents play "kiss the girl" over and over while I jump around the living room. 

That said, at this point I just can't wait to hear this new-found voice and arranging and production flair applied to some new songs.  But its an embarrassment of riches really, to be a Beach Boys fan in 2011 :-)
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson is dead... (not really) on: September 12, 2011, 08:39:05 PM
Well, he retired a month before - the last strip was published in the event of his passing.

Just to clarify, comic artists generally run between two and six weeks ahead of schedule in terms of drawing, and often longer ahead on the Sunday strips than the daily strips, so Schultz retired, but it took another month or so for the strip to stop running.  In the end, Schulz died the day before the last strip was scheduled to run: it was not published in the event of his passing, it would have been published anyway (the wikipedia article is a bit misleading.)

 Not that anyone probably cares, but newspaper comics is one of my few non-beach-boys interests. 
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Another New Brian interview on: September 07, 2011, 09:31:39 AM
What a wonderful interview!  It makes me wonder if Brian has synesthesia...
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recordings Of The Beach Boys W/ Glen Campbell on: September 06, 2011, 08:28:06 PM
You're forgetting the recording of What'd I Say? with Dave singing lead.  Smiley

I googled Beach Boys what I say and got this:

obviously not David Marks, but it doesn't really sound like the Beach Boys at really rocks - it reminds me a bit of that live Bruce Johnson album from the early 60s, but way tighter.  Anyone have more info?  I can't really even tell whose singing lead.  Also, who's wailing on the saxophone?     
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Today's Crypto-quote, from Brian Wilson on: July 25, 2011, 08:57:54 AM
While it's possible Brian did say this, I think that some of the more inspirational quotes floating around the net attributed to Brian Wilson might actually be from Brian Wilson, baseball player.
Brian Wilson is famous for his beard, which has inspired his fans to chant "fear the beard" at baseball games, a chant which could well carry over to Beach Boys concerts, were Mike Love to return to his Maharishi-Beard days, or, in the case of Bruce, "fear the stache."

97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Montclair, NJ Brian show on: June 12, 2011, 09:21:35 AM
Good call -  he has taken a while to warm up in the past -  by the time her reaches the UK in September he should be at his usual peak!
My impression is there's a bigger underlying problem, not just ring-rustiness.

I saw the New York show last night and thought he was in great form, and he definitely seemed to be enjoying himself during both sets.  Of course, it helped that I was sitting about ten feet away from him (it was a very small venue, a club more than a concert hall, and worth every penny to be so close to a band that good.)  He was very talkative, introducing more than half the songs, dancing (or I guess gesturing, but with Brian...), interacting with the band.  He introduced "Girl Don't Tell Me" as the "the only song he'd ever written entirely in his head, with no piano or guitar or anything," which I thought was cool, but he introduced and commented on a lot of the songs, really.  Before Dance, Dance, Dance he invited everyone to stand up and dance, then added that "well, the tables might get in the way.  You know what, stand up, sit down, we don't care!"  He led the audience through what certainly sounded like a spontaneous version of "row row row your boat," although I understand that that's been a part of the set in the past, ending with a hilarious quip along the lines of "I did that just for all of you."  And even though there were some vocal flubs here and there, he definitely sounded "on" vocally, at least to my ears.  Please Let Me Wonder and God Only Knows both sounded incredibly sweet for Brian's current voice, and he seemed to actually be enjoying singing.  There were no surprises in the hit set list, but Heroes and Villains sounded incredible.  I do wish there were more late-period songs, but given that Brian actually seemed to be enjoying singing the early hits, I didn't mind.  (granted, he still seemed to zone out occasionally, but this is Brian, after all.)  The Gershwin set was incredible.  To me, he actually seemed less like he was having fun, but definitely more focused, and the vocals were spot on all night, with the exception of "The Like in I love you" where he seemed to struggle with the vocal.  But starting with Summertime, he was just incredible.  Of course I wanted to strangle the old man sitting in front of me, who (besides spending half the night texting on his cell phone) gave a thumbs down and shouted for "help me rhonda" and "surfin safari" between songs.  Literally.  Wanted to strangle him.  But even a crotchety old man (at one point he yelled for "Sidewalk Surfin."  He was clearly embarrassing his wife.) couldn't bring the night down.  It Aint Necessarily So was another highlight for me, including Brian's somewhat rambling introduction about how "far out" the words were (he really doesn't like the was almost like he was apologizing for them).  Finally, the encore was far more fun than I expected, mainly because the band seemed to be enjoying it so much.  Brian looked pretty tired by that point (and I can't blame him, he'd been playing for like two hours by then), but I swear that at one point Darian and I think Probyn snuck up behind Scott while he was playing a keyboard solo, and did a weird tambourine dance in his ears to mess with him.  Speaking of piano solos, I'm 90 percent sure that Brian played one on his piano, during Help Me Rhonda.  And then Scott was doing everything in slow motion.  It was pretty funny, but it was also just totally infectious that the band seemed to be having such a great time!  That said, Brian did seem to escape the stage as fast as possible after each set (or I should say, just before the end of each set.)  Also, no Love and Mercy, which was very surprising, at least to me.  Unless we missed a last encore...we did leave pretty quickly, but being as the house had turned the lights up and started playing music through the PA, I highly doubt there was any more to come.  Does he not do Love and Mercy at the end anymore?  

Over, it was far and away the most engaged I've ever seen Brian.  He was talkative, energetic, and he sang great on the hits and the Gershwin material.  And did I mention that I was sitting ten feet away from the stage?  It was a great night all around.  

98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much has leaked? on: May 07, 2011, 10:28:09 PM
So, Columbia, at some point, doing a bit of Spring cleaning, just CHUCKED OUT these tapes of BB's vocal sessions?  How can that happen?  I mean, isn't that...just....WRONG?   Did they even have the courtesy perhaps to contact the band to say, "Hey, just a heads up, but we have a bunch of stuff you recorded here and it's really been cluttering up the place, soooo we're gonna throw 'em all in the dumpster out back - unless of course you would like to have them."   Huh

Sadly, it was common practice in music and television well into the 70s.  Of course, the Boys can't have thought these tapes would end up being important either, being as they literally left them on a shelf at the studio...  Personally, given what I know about the regard shown original tapes of popular music/media in the 60s, that the insane quantities of tapes that have survived are still around!
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Somewhere Near Japan on: April 28, 2011, 10:09:38 AM
I've always referred to it as the last halfway decent BB song. Last decent one was probably "Where I Belong" and last classic was... ohhh... "Sail On, Sailor".

Sail on Sailor, really? What about Ding Dang?  What about Shortening Bread?  What about Roller Skating Child!?  I think you may need to get your ears inspected :-)

The weird thing is I can't for the life of me figure out how much of this is sincere and how much is sarcasm...
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Van Dyke Parks interview on Pitchfork on: April 23, 2011, 07:31:39 PM
I'm no audiophile, but i'm more than a few steps beyond the average, and while I can't stand mp3s, i prefer most CDs to most records.  I collect original Beach Boys vinyl anyway, mainly because I like the idea of owning a copy of the record from as close to the moment it was recorded as possible, but I love the sound of CDs, and CDs are what I grew up listening to.  Where vinyl buffs talk about warmth, I think a CD buff might talk about a certainly clarity, shine, and shimmer that CD's have, and where Vinyl fans tend to remark on the warmth of the bass response, I think CDs have a wonderful quality to the treble when they're produced well.  It's what I grew up with, I'm attached to it.  Frankly, 45 rpm singles sound like sh*t.  If a digital format f***ed with the sound the way a 45 playback does, people would cry to high heaven!  But it's a good kind of sh*t, because when the songs are good, it connects to the time period they came from, and they were produced for the medium.  I'd like to think that producers today are producing for mp3, and that in 60 years a few crazies will still be blathering on about how only mp3 captures the feeling of their youth, even though everyone else is listening to their music on whatever new thing the record companies are trying to push on us in 2050, maybe implanted brain chips or something! 

Also, great interview.
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