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201  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Another New Brian interview on: September 07, 2011, 09:31:39 AM
What a wonderful interview!  It makes me wonder if Brian has synesthesia...
202  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recordings Of The Beach Boys W/ Glen Campbell on: September 06, 2011, 08:28:06 PM
You're forgetting the recording of What'd I Say? with Dave singing lead.  Smiley
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I googled Beach Boys what I say and got this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuqhvy_VcH4

obviously not David Marks, but it doesn't really sound like the Beach Boys at all...it really rocks - it reminds me a bit of that live Bruce Johnson album from the early 60s, but way tighter.  Anyone have more info?  I can't really even tell whose singing lead.  Also, who's wailing on the saxophone?     
203  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Today's Crypto-quote, from Brian Wilson on: July 25, 2011, 08:57:54 AM
While it's possible Brian did say this, I think that some of the more inspirational quotes floating around the net attributed to Brian Wilson might actually be from Brian Wilson, baseball player.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Wilson_%28baseball%29
Brian Wilson is famous for his beard, which has inspired his fans to chant "fear the beard" at baseball games, a chant which could well carry over to Beach Boys concerts, were Mike Love to return to his Maharishi-Beard days, or, in the case of Bruce, "fear the stache."


204  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Montclair, NJ Brian show on: June 12, 2011, 09:21:35 AM
Good call -  he has taken a while to warm up in the past -  by the time her reaches the UK in September he should be at his usual peak!
My impression is there's a bigger underlying problem, not just ring-rustiness.

I saw the New York show last night and thought he was in great form, and he definitely seemed to be enjoying himself during both sets.  Of course, it helped that I was sitting about ten feet away from him (it was a very small venue, a club more than a concert hall, and worth every penny to be so close to a band that good.)  He was very talkative, introducing more than half the songs, dancing (or I guess gesturing, but with Brian...), interacting with the band.  He introduced "Girl Don't Tell Me" as the "the only song he'd ever written entirely in his head, with no piano or guitar or anything," which I thought was cool, but he introduced and commented on a lot of the songs, really.  Before Dance, Dance, Dance he invited everyone to stand up and dance, then added that "well, the tables might get in the way.  You know what, stand up, sit down, we don't care!"  He led the audience through what certainly sounded like a spontaneous version of "row row row your boat," although I understand that that's been a part of the set in the past, ending with a hilarious quip along the lines of "I did that just for all of you."  And even though there were some vocal flubs here and there, he definitely sounded "on" vocally, at least to my ears.  Please Let Me Wonder and God Only Knows both sounded incredibly sweet for Brian's current voice, and he seemed to actually be enjoying singing.  There were no surprises in the hit set list, but Heroes and Villains sounded incredible.  I do wish there were more late-period songs, but given that Brian actually seemed to be enjoying singing the early hits, I didn't mind.  (granted, he still seemed to zone out occasionally, but this is Brian, after all.)  The Gershwin set was incredible.  To me, he actually seemed less like he was having fun, but definitely more focused, and the vocals were spot on all night, with the exception of "The Like in I love you" where he seemed to struggle with the vocal.  But starting with Summertime, he was just incredible.  Of course I wanted to strangle the old man sitting in front of me, who (besides spending half the night texting on his cell phone) gave a thumbs down and shouted for "help me rhonda" and "surfin safari" between songs.  Literally.  Wanted to strangle him.  But even a crotchety old man (at one point he yelled for "Sidewalk Surfin."  He was clearly embarrassing his wife.) couldn't bring the night down.  It Aint Necessarily So was another highlight for me, including Brian's somewhat rambling introduction about how "far out" the words were (he really doesn't like the words...it was almost like he was apologizing for them).  Finally, the encore was far more fun than I expected, mainly because the band seemed to be enjoying it so much.  Brian looked pretty tired by that point (and I can't blame him, he'd been playing for like two hours by then), but I swear that at one point Darian and I think Probyn snuck up behind Scott while he was playing a keyboard solo, and did a weird tambourine dance in his ears to mess with him.  Speaking of piano solos, I'm 90 percent sure that Brian played one on his piano, during Help Me Rhonda.  And then Scott was doing everything in slow motion.  It was pretty funny, but it was also just totally infectious that the band seemed to be having such a great time!  That said, Brian did seem to escape the stage as fast as possible after each set (or I should say, just before the end of each set.)  Also, no Love and Mercy, which was very surprising, at least to me.  Unless we missed a last encore...we did leave pretty quickly, but being as the house had turned the lights up and started playing music through the PA, I highly doubt there was any more to come.  Does he not do Love and Mercy at the end anymore?  

Over, it was far and away the most engaged I've ever seen Brian.  He was talkative, energetic, and he sang great on the hits and the Gershwin material.  And did I mention that I was sitting ten feet away from the stage?  It was a great night all around.  

205  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much has leaked? on: May 07, 2011, 10:28:09 PM
So, Columbia, at some point, doing a bit of Spring cleaning, just CHUCKED OUT these tapes of BB's vocal sessions?  How can that happen?  I mean, isn't that...just....WRONG?   Did they even have the courtesy perhaps to contact the band to say, "Hey, just a heads up, but we have a bunch of stuff you recorded here and it's really been cluttering up the place, soooo we're gonna throw 'em all in the dumpster out back - unless of course you would like to have them."   Huh

Sadly, it was common practice in music and television well into the 70s.  Of course, the Boys can't have thought these tapes would end up being important either, being as they literally left them on a shelf at the studio...  Personally, given what I know about the regard shown original tapes of popular music/media in the 60s, that the insane quantities of tapes that have survived are still around!
206  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Somewhere Near Japan on: April 28, 2011, 10:09:38 AM
I've always referred to it as the last halfway decent BB song. Last decent one was probably "Where I Belong" and last classic was... ohhh... "Sail On, Sailor".

Sail on Sailor, really? What about Ding Dang?  What about Shortening Bread?  What about Roller Skating Child!?  I think you may need to get your ears inspected :-)


The weird thing is I can't for the life of me figure out how much of this is sincere and how much is sarcasm...
207  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Van Dyke Parks interview on Pitchfork on: April 23, 2011, 07:31:39 PM
I'm no audiophile, but i'm more than a few steps beyond the average, and while I can't stand mp3s, i prefer most CDs to most records.  I collect original Beach Boys vinyl anyway, mainly because I like the idea of owning a copy of the record from as close to the moment it was recorded as possible, but I love the sound of CDs, and CDs are what I grew up listening to.  Where vinyl buffs talk about warmth, I think a CD buff might talk about a certainly clarity, shine, and shimmer that CD's have, and where Vinyl fans tend to remark on the warmth of the bass response, I think CDs have a wonderful quality to the treble when they're produced well.  It's what I grew up with, I'm attached to it.  Frankly, 45 rpm singles sound like sh*t.  If a digital format f***ed with the sound the way a 45 playback does, people would cry to high heaven!  But it's a good kind of sh*t, because when the songs are good, it connects to the time period they came from, and they were produced for the medium.  I'd like to think that producers today are producing for mp3, and that in 60 years a few crazies will still be blathering on about how only mp3 captures the feeling of their youth, even though everyone else is listening to their music on whatever new thing the record companies are trying to push on us in 2050, maybe implanted brain chips or something! 

Also, great interview.
208  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Perform SMiLE Songs Live? on: April 21, 2011, 08:15:49 PM
Huh? What "doesn't count", Jay? You mean Surf's Up? Surf's Up was going to be on Smile - only things basically different in '71 was Carl's additional vocals and the tag. Otherwise, pretty much the same music and lyrics as Brian sang on the '67 Bernstein special. The '71 version of Surf's Up, along with the released versions of Cabinessence and Our Prayer, and I think Wonderful were included on early SMiLE bootlegs in the early 80's.

Ever heard the Beach Boys do Surf's Up live in the early 70's, Jay?

I think he meant that Child is the Father of the Man doesn't count, because these didn't really play the song, they just incorporated it into a different song. 
209  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Perform SMiLE Songs Live? on: April 21, 2011, 05:58:26 PM
I would highly suggest that you run a google search on the phrase: "beach boys live at the paramount 1993."  I think you might be pleased with what you find ;-)
210  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Article blames fans for losing SMiLE tapes! on: April 10, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
I think that narrows it down a lot though.
I also think it suggests that Brian did in fact destroy some of the material. Prevailing wisdom has suggested that was always a myth. But there was a post by Alan Boyd a while back where he lamented how much material was missing, he wondered if there was some truth to that story. If the missing SMiLE material went missing before 1970, before much about SMiLE was even known among fans, and none of this material has ever been heard on bootlegs or by fans, that says something doesn't it.

This is pure speculation, but perhaps Brian "destroyed" tapes not by actively burning them or whatever, but by negligence.  It is clear that in the mid 60s tapes in general were in no way sacred, that studios threw out old tapes all the time, etc.  If Brian had been running the show for so long, and then suddenly he has disengaged, he might not bother to have tapes properly labeled, accounted for, picked up from studios, or whatever, allowing them to disappear?
211  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 06, 2011, 09:52:13 PM
Like I mentioned, I think his talent is probably related to his mental illness.  So yeah he may not have ever been as great as he is without the illness.  The proverbial double edged sword, so to speak. 

I used to think this, but the more I learn about Brian, the less I think this is true.  For one thing, he seemed to work best when he was happiest (and he says as much in interviews), and what really spurned him to creative heights was not the insecurity or pain of mental illness, but the more or less normal competitive spirit that motives, you know, baseball players and politicians and whatever.  He wanted to win, to prove himself, and he had the talent to do so in spectacular fashion.  Also, musical genius and mental illness don't have to go hand in hand.  Particularly in classical music, its clear that while you do have a handful of tortured geniuses, Bach and Mozart et. al. were not crazy, they were just insanely talented.  The thought of what a healthy Brian Wilson could have done in his 30s, 40s, and 50s is just, to me, haunting.  And the idea that his mental illness and his talent were linked seems more like something we want to be true than something that is true.  Obviously a very subjective subject, but those are my thoughts. 
212  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Denny -- The Group's Strongest Vocalist? on: April 06, 2011, 09:47:03 PM
I think so.  During the 70s, I think that's unquestionable.  Brian's a close second, with a few incredibly fascinating nutters -- but generally, always genuine.  Mike nailed a couple too -- and Carl quite a few.  But Dennis was just on.  He destroyed the mic whenever he was on it.

But in the 60s he was fantastic too.  He was used very intelligently, as they say in the movie business -- for a  "close up."  But he stepped up to the plate.  And especially as the group lost it's grip -- basically Brian -- Denny was right there.

I always wished they used him more!


I too wish Dennis sang more, but Carl...honestly, it's hard for me to imagine what a voice more beautiful than Carl Wilson's might sound like.  His voice was unreal. 
213  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Writing Smile article for school paper - need help on: April 06, 2011, 08:07:33 PM
As long as your image is unsuitable for commercial use, low-resolution (that is smaller than the actual album cover), and intended purely for educational/informational benefit of the reader, it falls under fair-use law and you can use it.  This applies to both album covers, which can be used to illustrate the recording in question,  and works of art, which can be used for educational purposes.  I'm not sure whether the smile art counts as an album cover or not, but in any event you can definitely include a picture of the smile artwork.  What you can't do is print a giant copy on the front of your paper and use it to sell newspapers.  Similar fair use rules probably allow you to use old promotional photos of the band as well, however, I'm not as sure about the law in that case.  An interesting way of learning about copyright law in these kinds of situations is to go to a wikipedia page, for example that of The Beach Boys, click on an image, and then below the image there will be an explanation of why wikipedia can use that image, including justification for fair use, etc., if the image is copyrighted.  
214  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Redwood- tell everything you know! on: April 05, 2011, 09:45:11 PM
Because its based on Thinking About You Baby which was co-written with Mike Love. Perhaps.

That's what I was thinking.  Also, just to clarify, I am not trying to denigrate Mike, I think he's a fantastic lyricist and fully deserves probably more credit than he's gotten for his lyrical and musical contributions to the band.  It just seems odd in this particular case that Brian would offer an outside group not just one of his best songs, but a song recently co-written with someone else in the Beach Boys - an idea lent some credence perhaps by the fact that he wrote time to get alone by himself, and apparently called on Van Dyke Parks for another potential Red Wood song.
215  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Redwood- tell everything you know! on: April 05, 2011, 07:56:57 PM
Perhaps Brian wrote all the lyrics to "Darlin'" himself and gave Mike credit since they had written "Thinkin' About My Baby" together. Or, Brian came up with the new chorus and Mike wrote the new verses. This could have been just another collaboration between them and Mike was unaware (or didn't initially care) that the track would go to Redwood.

Considering that Brian had just written the stunningly gorgeous lyrics to time to get alone without the help of Mr. Love, I wouldn't put it past him to have written the Darling lyrics by himself. 
216  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Redwood- tell everything you know! on: April 05, 2011, 11:55:16 AM
I also wonder why Brian re-used "Thinking about you baby" for "Darlin" and then went back to the original with American Spring. Not that there's anything wrong with it, I love all three versions, but it seems kinda odd. How came he up with that idea?

Didn't he explain this is in that weird long interview with Diane Brian did to promote the spring album?  I seem to recall that it was Diane's idea, who must have remembered the song from the first time, and that Brian just went along with it?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong. 
217  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Would you rather ... Smile Sessions! on: March 31, 2011, 07:45:18 AM
You know, that's something I've often wondered. Stephen Desper described the situation as it happened in 1971: "About thirty minutes into the mix, Brian ... came bursting into the studio ... excitedly proclaiming that we should stop the mix and add just 'one more part' to the ending." The famous tag vocals were then "added postscript, and doubled at the last minute, as if always in his mind from conception, but heretofore forgotten, or perhaps suppressed." (emphasis mine)

While it's all conjecture on Stephen Desper's part, it does seem like an obvious question: was this a spur of the moment Brian idea or was it something he had tucked away since 1966? I wish someone would ask him, if they haven't already. Then again, his answer would probably just add more confusion to the matter.

Maybe they were actually part of the lyrics to Child is the Father of the Man?  Hence them not being sung or mentioned during the Surf's up demo, and then, when Brian realizes that Carl Wilson has adapted a second smile song for the outro of surf's up, he thinks to himself: well, might as well use the proper lyrics! 
218  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Interesting home made mixtape: 1s 2s As Bs on: March 27, 2011, 08:58:48 PM
This mix would get way more interesting if you included a wider range of countries (though I get how this would require more work than just the wikipedia page).  For example, (using a broader-based wikipedia search), Then I Kissed Her was #2 in South Africa, Sweden, and the Netherlands, (b-side Mountain of Love.)  Surfin USA and when I Grow Up to Be a Man, were #1 in Canada, California Girls was no. 2 in Rhodesia and Canada.    Tears in the Morning was #1 in South Africa wasn't it?  Amusement Parks USA only made #3 in Japan, but it does make one wonder what exactly a list of Beach Boys hits in Japan would look like.  Also, didn't Surfin Down the Swannee River make #1 in Sweden?...not that that nec. counts.

Has anyone ever made a beach boys discog. that listed chart positions for a larger group of countries?
219  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Be with Me on: March 22, 2011, 12:26:51 PM
Seems likely enough to me.  I have a feeling that if Never Learn not to Love hadn't been released rather prominently on a Beach Boy's record (and even performed on TV!) we'd never have heard of it.  I have a feeling those Manson tapes are locked in a vault so deep they might as well "cease to exist." 
220  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Add vocals only where lyrics are of 1960's vintage on: March 20, 2011, 05:44:29 PM
I'm generally against adding modern "updates" to old recordings, no matter who does it, but you know what really changed my mind?  The version of Holy Man on bambu.  That record proved to me that it is possible to recapture the spirit of a song or a moment to provide the fans with a new piece of music expanding on and giving tribute to the old.  So in that spirit, I hope there is new recording done for this box set, because I'd love to hear the Beach Boys, even whats left of them today, give us a new take on some of the lyrics which were written but not recorded in 1966-7.  And I think those songs would belong where Holy Man was: tacked onto the end of the last disc, as a bonus.  To me, that does nothing to compromise the integrity of what the early discs present, it just adds, expands, and pays tribute. 
221  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Boxset - Hidden tracks? on: March 20, 2011, 05:37:42 PM
I think a vocal only of Dennis on You Are My Sunshine would be a breathtaking hidden track....if only it were possible.  I understand the only mix with his vocal was found on an acetate, right?

I hadn't realized that those vocals were only on an acetate, but oddly enough, knowing it gives me a lot of hope for un-booted stuff, because there you have a real life example of a missing lead vocal sourced only from an acetate.  In what universe would it make sense to delete that vocal off the multi-track?  But if that acetate had remained in the hands of, say, Bruce or Al or Van Dyke Park's ex wife, all we'd have now would be a sort of incomplete sounding instrumental take and a vague rumor that maybe Dennis was supposed to sing it...  It's a weirdly optimistic moment for me!
222  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian in studio this week on: March 02, 2011, 06:58:51 PM
Nope. Count me in too. Where's the rock and roll album?! We need Moogs, bathrobes, coke, songs about Roller Skating Children and Little Tomboys and cigs getting thrown into the toilet!

I don't mean to sound mean-spirited, and I know you were partially joking, but don't you think for a person's gone through everything Brian's gone through, doesn't it seem a bit off to playfully suggest that you'd prefer his music if he returned to coke and if it was coming from what was clearly an incredibly miserable and destructive place?  I love Adult Child for its honesty and humor, but it's also a really tragic record, and I hope Brian Wilson is never in a position to make another one like it.  Brian should make music for his grand kids, god knows he deserves to make whatever music he wants.
223  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Beach Boys release will make you 'SMiLE' on: March 02, 2011, 01:50:17 AM
God Everyday I come on here thinking "is today the day? is today the official announcement?"

Also, can we talk about what the title "I Love To Say Da Da" means? Does anybody have any idea where that came from? It's been pointed out that it has the letters LSD in order, but that seems like a stretch because of the fact that there are two 'd's. The title had to have had some meaning to Brian, some reason why it piqued his interest. What is Da Da?


Dada was also a major contemporary art movement in the earlier part of the 20th century, enough so that, especially given the circles he was floating in at the time, Brian may have known the reference.  The dada movement was about humor, rejecting the violence and insanity of modern life, and deconstructing ideas about what art was supposed to be.  Duchamp's famous urinal is a good example.  Smile is not exactly dadaist, but its a reference that would make a degree of sense. 
224  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Soul Searchin'-Lets set the facts straight! on: February 27, 2011, 03:33:16 PM
I find it pretty easy to see where Carl was coming from.  He wanted the band to be able to hang out in the studio, put together an album project, begin to mend some bridges.  Perhaps he wanted to begin to repair his own and the band's relationship with Brian.  All of this is a pretty delicate project, and it's not hard to understand why the last thing you'd want to throw into the mix would be artistic ambition, that elusive factor that had led to so many interpersonal problems in the past for the BBs.  Were I in Carl's place, I think I would have picked stars and stripes too.  As sad as it can seem in retrospect, wouldn't you pick family over art in the end too?
225  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Reality: The Beach Boys & Brian don't need avid fans on: February 16, 2011, 07:19:43 PM
Let's be real here.  I like the current incarnation(s) of the Beach Boys.  I like Brian's solo stuff, Al and Mike's live shows.  I think a smile release would be exciting.  But at the end of the day, I'm in it for the records.  Those records were made 30-50 years ago.  The people who made them are transformed almost beyond recognition.  But those records, on vinyl, on CD, on computers and mp3 players, from Surfer Girl to Love You, will be around until the end of time.  Certainly for the rest of my life.  So I'm not worried about anything when it comes to the Beach Boys.  I have the music, frankly, and that's more than enough, more than we ever deserved from these 6 or 8 hardworkin' guys.
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