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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 11:10:06 PM
Where was the harrasment? Honest question because I am trying to get up to speed. Just made it home and reading the last few pages is giving me a hell of a headache
“Yes, again I stand by what I said about Watamushi and his activity here, but he was completely full of sh*t in regards to my wanting to come there strictly to cause problems, and my confrontational posts.”
“Watamushi, if that's the kind of crap you'll use to moderate over there, I hope the reasons why you're giving Filledeplage and Manning free passes are worth it. Because your credibility just went down considerably.”
“Wondering who the mods think she is, unless there is another reason why they never take any action if she's involved or why it feels she can break any rules she chooses and gets a free pass.”
“Yes, of course my posts were pulled out of context and distorted to fit what Watamushi and Dick/Kane needed it to fit. That's how they justified their bullshit actions and bullshit in general, but it obviously isn't true as even observers reading through it are noticing.

So Watamushi and Dick, in your new capacity as the two mods running the place, are you happy that your first action is based on bullshit that outside observers are noticing and calling out as bullshit? Not to mention your complete avoidance of those like Filledeplage and Manning who publicly took a sh*t on your orders and posts and did what they wanted, and got away with it.”
“They could also answer why Watamushi posted comments of mine to justify a ban, comments taken out of context  that someone who isn't even a member there read, analyzed the context perfectly,  and called out as the bullshit it is? ”

“What do you call ignoring certain members' breaking of the board rules and constant shitting on your actions as a mod while calling out and scapegoating others if not playing favorites? For f**k's sake, it's not like no one is noticing this hypocrisy”

“So guys, Dick and Watmushi, if you're going to publicly try to pin this on me and assign things to me that did not happen, your credibility exists somewhere on the level of Rocky Pamplin, the topic of the thread where all this went down. Enjoy that with the 10 or so posters who get coddled and given free reign to disrespect you as moderators regularly.”


“When it reaches a point where the most recent moderators over there have to invent reasons to post why someone was banned, and make sh*t up based on their needs versus what actually played out (and can be readily seen in public posts) it's all but a lost cause.”

“Nice job guys, or guy in this case since it seems Watamushi was alone in putting the ban on Filledeplage and perhaps Dick found the whole thing too "draining" and didn't agree with banning a favored member.”

“Clusterfuck of the highest order.“

“Dick/Kane and Watamushi were either afraid of upsetting certain favored posters there, or they had marching orders to follow from other sources, or they're simply not good at moderating a board that averages between 20-30 readers and hasn't grown beyond that in over two years. That may say it all.

If they're going to run that place based on lies and allowing lies to stand (and liars to do whatever the f*** they want...), they'll have no credibility. They're on the level of Stan and Rocky, or even more pathetic, on the level of original admin Dirk/drBeachBoy who ran the board from Doe's back pocket until he flipped out on the mods he chose as the original admin and got banned from his own board for not following the rules.”


This wasn’t even all of it.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 10:38:56 PM
GF, I am not talking about that right now. The point I keep making and that you refuse to acknowledge is that you, as a moderator, were seemingly breaking a rule and going off topic to attack two members of your own board by name. And, because of your position of your board, it seems there will be no consequences for this (wow, pot calling the kettle black). Either mod care to respond or tell me that I am wrong, instead of avoiding the question?

You're absolutely right rab, if by acting "like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever," you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him, and by "comes out the bigger person in all of this," you meant deciding to attack two posters by name on another board and creating an environment where they are seemingly not welcomed (which, by my understanding, is against the rules). If that's what you meant by those two statements, then you're 100% right!

Your original post, the original point in your post which I asked about...Can you produce proof and context of what you said and is highlighted in bold? I asked, you never replied, now you want me to answer how you want me to answer...Seriously, this act won't work and it's obvious why you and "BummerInParadise" showed up. So go back to the PS Forum and have fun with your friends, it's done here.
And stop playing dumb. I can't prove that you know in your mind that certain people over there dislike you, I inferred it. And I think anyone looking at your post history can see a large percentage of your posts are arguments. Pretty simple, I don't need to provide evidence like this is a court room.

GF, I am not talking about that right now. The point I keep making and that you refuse to acknowledge is that you, as a moderator, were seemingly breaking a rule and going off topic to attack two members of your own board by name. And, because of your position of your board, it seems there will be no consequences for this (wow, pot calling the kettle black). Either mod care to respond or tell me that I am wrong, instead of avoiding the question?

You're absolutely right rab, if by acting "like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever," you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him, and by "comes out the bigger person in all of this," you meant deciding to attack two posters by name on another board and creating an environment where they are seemingly not welcomed (which, by my understanding, is against the rules). If that's what you meant by those two statements, then you're 100% right!

Your original post, the original point in your post which I asked about...Can you produce proof and context of what you said and is highlighted in bold? I asked, you never replied, now you want me to answer how you want me to answer...Seriously, this act won't work and it's obvious why you and "BummerInParadise" showed up. So go back to the PS Forum and have fun with your friends, it's done here.
And stop playing dumb. I can't prove that you know in your mind that certain people over there dislike you, I inferred it. And I think anyone looking at your post history can see a large percentage of your posts are arguments. Pretty simple, I don't need to provide evidence like this is a court room.

Yes you do. You came on here and made claims of things I did or said, and stated my reason for going over there, so prove them. If you can't, then you're just here to troll. Produce the proof and context of this claim: you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him

In the past year you have posted here 3 times. ***Three***. Now you're all over this issue posting like mad trying to make claims and provoke some answer you want me to give...Just quit while you're ahead and go back to the PS Forum or Discord or wherever else you've been hanging out.

Three posts in a year and all of a sudden you're so concerned about me and this board? Give it a rest.
GF, I lurk on this forum. My post count does not give me any less of a right to raise an issue with moderation as someone with more posts. That’s called favoritism, and isn’t it what you’ve been harassing Dick and Wata about? Hmm, ironic. Secondly, I have better things to do than read through all your novellas over there, therefore I will let anyone reading this exchange who is uninformed go over there and seep through your post history. They can make decisions for themselves, it seems like every single person on that board who witnessed it first hand knew what you were up to. Lastly, I would just like you to respond to my point that I have been saying all along while you keep deflecting to another question: did you break a rule by harassing two members of your board, and why are there no consequences? It just seems a little hypocritical to me, that’s all, and I would really appreciate a straight answer.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 09:57:25 PM
But I'm proud to say I didn't pay a dime for them and got them for free online. My principle is, if certain names are attached and others left off of any project related to the Beach Boys, I don't give them a dime or a penny of my money. Best money I never spent.

It is becoming so incredibly difficult to get the corporate support that enables these highly specialized niche oriented projects to happen at all. Proudly stating that you won't pay a dime for a project because I acknowledged AGD for historical research in the special thanks isn't just a matter of availing yourself of the YouTube option. It feels more like a sort of boycott.  And this time it hurts a little, because (as you may have noticed), there is no promotion for this year's stack of tracks. We're hoping and praying that people who appreciate the hard work that goes into these projects will support that work by buying copies/downloads and proving to Universal Music that there is a market for this kind of Beach Boys archival collection.

The attention and feedback you all have given over the years has been inspiring. As for the stuff between the message boards and whatever it is we stepped in that made you decide to not actually purchase our latest work.... I don't know what to say to that. I hope you'll change your mind, because we need all the help we can get out here.

I feel you. I don't regret my initial purchase, despite it being free legally, because I consider it more like I don't want to say donation, necessarily, but more as a thank you than anything. That, and I look forward to next year's set. Also, because Jay & I made diddly on the last F2S release despite heavy streams, so it hits a bit close to home. I do wish they weren't on YouTube concurrently because to the average consumer it does feel like a bit of a gyp.


As for the other posts...reading through the thread right now.
Thank you Billy, I would just like clarification.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 09:53:16 PM
GF, I am not talking about that right now. The point I keep making and that you refuse to acknowledge is that you, as a moderator, were seemingly breaking a rule and going off topic to attack two members of your own board by name. And, because of your position of your board, it seems there will be no consequences for this (wow, pot calling the kettle black). Either mod care to respond or tell me that I am wrong, instead of avoiding the question?

You're absolutely right rab, if by acting "like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever," you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him, and by "comes out the bigger person in all of this," you meant deciding to attack two posters by name on another board and creating an environment where they are seemingly not welcomed (which, by my understanding, is against the rules). If that's what you meant by those two statements, then you're 100% right!

Your original post, the original point in your post which I asked about...Can you produce proof and context of what you said and is highlighted in bold? I asked, you never replied, now you want me to answer how you want me to answer...Seriously, this act won't work and it's obvious why you and "BummerInParadise" showed up. So go back to the PS Forum and have fun with your friends, it's done here.
And stop playing dumb. I can't prove that you know in your mind that certain people over there dislike you, I inferred it. And I think anyone looking at your post history can see a large percentage of your posts are arguments. Pretty simple, I don't need to provide evidence like this is a court room.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 09:50:56 PM
GF, I am not talking about that right now. The point I keep making and that you refuse to acknowledge is that you, as a moderator, were seemingly breaking a rule and going off topic to attack two members of your own board by name. And, because of your position of your board, it seems there will be no consequences for this (wow, pot calling the kettle black). Either mod care to respond or tell me that I am wrong, instead of avoiding the question?

You're absolutely right rab, if by acting "like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever," you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him, and by "comes out the bigger person in all of this," you meant deciding to attack two posters by name on another board and creating an environment where they are seemingly not welcomed (which, by my understanding, is against the rules). If that's what you meant by those two statements, then you're 100% right!

Your original post, the original point in your post which I asked about...Can you produce proof and context of what you said and is highlighted in bold? I asked, you never replied, now you want me to answer how you want me to answer...Seriously, this act won't work and it's obvious why you and "BummerInParadise" showed up. So go back to the PS Forum and have fun with your friends, it's done here.
GF, your silence is providing all the answers I need. Let this be a lesson to everyone of the smileysmile board: You are allowed to openly break rules and harass members of the board, as long as you are a moderator! Unless Billy wants to jump in and address this, then I don't think there is anything else to say here. Also, Craig, I actually requested you find 5 posts of yours that weren't arguing and you refused to, but nice attempt to try and pin this on me!
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 09:46:12 PM
This thread started so promising (kinda like the BBs in 1961) before jealousy ruined things...
In the wise words of GF, go and read the thread Smiley

There was one poster who consistently went off topic and used this thread to attack two individuals, before any of this happened. Funnily enough, he seemed to be arguing with himself! LOL
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 09:40:34 PM
Yeah, but nothing's been done. Just like in the past. Thanks to spineless or incompetent moderators on PS Forum who openly lied and distorted to suit the needs of that place, this board is dragged through the mud, lies are allowed to stand, and it's swept under the carpet? No apologies, no comments about fixing things moving forward, taking future action to avoid this bullshit again...nothing.

Doesn't fly where I'm concerned. Sorry. If people are still posting lies and they're being believed, we just drop it and sing Kum-Bye-A together like nothing happened? Keep turning the other cheek and get cold-cocked until we have a jaw broken in multiple places? Nope. Not happenin'.

As far as the new sets of music, yeah they're great, terrific listening - Kudos especially to Mark and Alan. But I'm proud to say I didn't pay a dime for them and got them for free online. My principle is, if certain names are attached and others left off of any project related to the Beach Boys, I don't give them a dime or a penny of my money. Best money I never spent.

GF - I haven't commented much about this part of the thread, since I've never visited PS forum, nor will I. I don't have the stomach to deal with any of those people anymore.  What I can say is I truly appreciate your insistence on correcting lies wherever you see them. That's really admirable. Selfishly, some of the lies were probably more than once, about me, so that's appreciated too. So, thanks again.

I second this. While I don't think this topic should be dwelled upon constantly (edit: not saying that anyone is dwelling on it constantly, didn't mean to imply this), I also think that the events of the past should not be forgotten. Craig went to the PS Forum and acted like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever. He comes out the bigger person in all of this. He has put up with a lot of nonsense for years and yet he is still here helping run a very successful forum about our favorite band. It really is commendable. And to the children lurking from the PS Forum: this isn't ass-kissing, just sharing some courtesy to a guy who has put up with too much of your bullshit for the past few years.
You're absolutely right rab, if by acting "like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever," you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him, and by "comes out the bigger person in all of this," you meant deciding to attack two posters by name on another board and creating an environment where they are seemingly not welcomed (which, by my understanding, is against the rules). If that's what you meant by those two statements, then you're 100% right!

The part in bold, Lovester - Total bullshit. But don't let the facts stop you. You're in good company, consider staying there if you're going to come here and make stuff up to fit your own bullshit.

See how the liars work? Thanks for proving that, Lovester.  


Make stuff up? He's 100% right. There are countless examples of you confronting and attacking other members on that board, and that's something that the facts support.

Bullshit. Produce the countless examples of these attacks and confrontations that the facts support, and show the context of whatever you're claiming too.
Sorry to bother you, but I just wanted to confirm that by not responding to my point twice you're admitting that as a moderator you are openly breaking a rule and harassing two members of your board?

Edit: Also, if you won't respond, I would like to get another moderators opinion on whether or not GF's posts constitute harassment and therefore break the rules. Billy, your thoughts?

If I won't respond to you? You make claims about what I did, I ask you to produce the proof of those claims from that board in context, and you change the subject.  

Seriously, this reminds me of someone who posted under a different name in the past...Pinder? Emily? Bean Bag?


GF, I am not talking about that right now. The point I keep making and that you refuse to acknowledge is that you, as a moderator, were seemingly breaking a rule and going off topic to attack two members of your own board by name. And, because of your position of your board, it seems there will be no consequences for this (wow, pot calling the kettle black). Either mod care to respond or tell me that I am wrong, instead of avoiding the question?
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 09:14:34 PM
Yeah, but nothing's been done. Just like in the past. Thanks to spineless or incompetent moderators on PS Forum who openly lied and distorted to suit the needs of that place, this board is dragged through the mud, lies are allowed to stand, and it's swept under the carpet? No apologies, no comments about fixing things moving forward, taking future action to avoid this bullshit again...nothing.

Doesn't fly where I'm concerned. Sorry. If people are still posting lies and they're being believed, we just drop it and sing Kum-Bye-A together like nothing happened? Keep turning the other cheek and get cold-cocked until we have a jaw broken in multiple places? Nope. Not happenin'.

As far as the new sets of music, yeah they're great, terrific listening - Kudos especially to Mark and Alan. But I'm proud to say I didn't pay a dime for them and got them for free online. My principle is, if certain names are attached and others left off of any project related to the Beach Boys, I don't give them a dime or a penny of my money. Best money I never spent.

GF - I haven't commented much about this part of the thread, since I've never visited PS forum, nor will I. I don't have the stomach to deal with any of those people anymore.  What I can say is I truly appreciate your insistence on correcting lies wherever you see them. That's really admirable. Selfishly, some of the lies were probably more than once, about me, so that's appreciated too. So, thanks again.

I second this. While I don't think this topic should be dwelled upon constantly (edit: not saying that anyone is dwelling on it constantly, didn't mean to imply this), I also think that the events of the past should not be forgotten. Craig went to the PS Forum and acted like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever. He comes out the bigger person in all of this. He has put up with a lot of nonsense for years and yet he is still here helping run a very successful forum about our favorite band. It really is commendable. And to the children lurking from the PS Forum: this isn't ass-kissing, just sharing some courtesy to a guy who has put up with too much of your bullshit for the past few years.
You're absolutely right rab, if by acting "like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever," you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him, and by "comes out the bigger person in all of this," you meant deciding to attack two posters by name on another board and creating an environment where they are seemingly not welcomed (which, by my understanding, is against the rules). If that's what you meant by those two statements, then you're 100% right!

The part in bold, Lovester - Total bullshit. But don't let the facts stop you. You're in good company, consider staying there if you're going to come here and make stuff up to fit your own bullshit.

See how the liars work? Thanks for proving that, Lovester.  


Make stuff up? He's 100% right. There are countless examples of you confronting and attacking other members on that board, and that's something that the facts support.

Bullshit. Produce the countless examples of these attacks and confrontations that the facts support, and show the context of whatever you're claiming too.
Sorry to bother you, but I just wanted to confirm that by not responding to my point twice you're admitting that as a moderator you are openly breaking a rule and harassing two members of your board?

Edit: Also, if you won't respond, I would like to get another moderators opinion on whether or not GF's posts constitute harassment and therefore break the rules. Billy, your thoughts?
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 09:04:47 PM
Would like to take this opportunity to shill the Beach Boys Discord server, where approximately none of this inter-board drama has happened and it continues to not happen. And Alan and Mark are joining us in the near future for a Q&A. Lovely stuff.

Coincidentally the server owner is our local Dick Rising, who - as I'm sure everyone there can vouch for - does a perfectly fine job. Word.

After what happened with Dick's bungling the moderating on the PS Forum and helping expose what's going on over there with favored posters who are above the rules and lies allowed to stand unchecked, no thanks. In fact I thought you were joking when I read this after what happened in the past 48 hours.

That's cool, the invite isn't extended to everyone.

Good, then stop shilling for it here in a topic where it has nothing to do with anything. Dick screwed up - If the dishonesty and favoritism shown by his moderating on the PS Forum extends over to "Discord", you'll be averaging 20 readers just like the forum he moderates.

Oh, and this is off-topic, so maybe take any further shilling or whatever you're doing to the "Discord" thread where it's on-topic. Here: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25934.0.html

 
Hey Craig, I'm a little confused as to the topic of the thread then, because according to your posts the topic should be "Let's all talk about the moderation on another forum that we claim we don't care about." Telling, since the thread actually started as a celebration.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 09:00:55 PM
Yeah, but nothing's been done. Just like in the past. Thanks to spineless or incompetent moderators on PS Forum who openly lied and distorted to suit the needs of that place, this board is dragged through the mud, lies are allowed to stand, and it's swept under the carpet? No apologies, no comments about fixing things moving forward, taking future action to avoid this bullshit again...nothing.

Doesn't fly where I'm concerned. Sorry. If people are still posting lies and they're being believed, we just drop it and sing Kum-Bye-A together like nothing happened? Keep turning the other cheek and get cold-cocked until we have a jaw broken in multiple places? Nope. Not happenin'.

As far as the new sets of music, yeah they're great, terrific listening - Kudos especially to Mark and Alan. But I'm proud to say I didn't pay a dime for them and got them for free online. My principle is, if certain names are attached and others left off of any project related to the Beach Boys, I don't give them a dime or a penny of my money. Best money I never spent.

GF - I haven't commented much about this part of the thread, since I've never visited PS forum, nor will I. I don't have the stomach to deal with any of those people anymore.  What I can say is I truly appreciate your insistence on correcting lies wherever you see them. That's really admirable. Selfishly, some of the lies were probably more than once, about me, so that's appreciated too. So, thanks again.

I second this. While I don't think this topic should be dwelled upon constantly (edit: not saying that anyone is dwelling on it constantly, didn't mean to imply this), I also think that the events of the past should not be forgotten. Craig went to the PS Forum and acted like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever. He comes out the bigger person in all of this. He has put up with a lot of nonsense for years and yet he is still here helping run a very successful forum about our favorite band. It really is commendable. And to the children lurking from the PS Forum: this isn't ass-kissing, just sharing some courtesy to a guy who has put up with too much of your bullshit for the past few years.
You're absolutely right rab, if by acting "like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever," you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him, and by "comes out the bigger person in all of this," you meant deciding to attack two posters by name on another board and creating an environment where they are seemingly not welcomed (which, by my understanding, is against the rules). If that's what you meant by those two statements, then you're 100% right!

The part in bold, Lovester - Total bullshit. But don't let the facts stop you. You're in good company, consider staying there if you're going to come here and make stuff up to fit your own bullshit.

See how the liars work? Thanks for proving that, Lovester.  
Hey Craig, thanks for the reply! Just wanted to play a little game: find 5 posts of yours on the board that aren't arguing with another poster. Also, you didn't choose to respond to my second point, does that mean that you admit that your persistent attacks are against the rules and constitute harassment?
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 08:39:01 PM
Yeah, but nothing's been done. Just like in the past. Thanks to spineless or incompetent moderators on PS Forum who openly lied and distorted to suit the needs of that place, this board is dragged through the mud, lies are allowed to stand, and it's swept under the carpet? No apologies, no comments about fixing things moving forward, taking future action to avoid this bullshit again...nothing.

Doesn't fly where I'm concerned. Sorry. If people are still posting lies and they're being believed, we just drop it and sing Kum-Bye-A together like nothing happened? Keep turning the other cheek and get cold-cocked until we have a jaw broken in multiple places? Nope. Not happenin'.

As far as the new sets of music, yeah they're great, terrific listening - Kudos especially to Mark and Alan. But I'm proud to say I didn't pay a dime for them and got them for free online. My principle is, if certain names are attached and others left off of any project related to the Beach Boys, I don't give them a dime or a penny of my money. Best money I never spent.

GF - I haven't commented much about this part of the thread, since I've never visited PS forum, nor will I. I don't have the stomach to deal with any of those people anymore.  What I can say is I truly appreciate your insistence on correcting lies wherever you see them. That's really admirable. Selfishly, some of the lies were probably more than once, about me, so that's appreciated too. So, thanks again.

I second this. While I don't think this topic should be dwelled upon constantly (edit: not saying that anyone is dwelling on it constantly, didn't mean to imply this), I also think that the events of the past should not be forgotten. Craig went to the PS Forum and acted like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever. He comes out the bigger person in all of this. He has put up with a lot of nonsense for years and yet he is still here helping run a very successful forum about our favorite band. It really is commendable. And to the children lurking from the PS Forum: this isn't ass-kissing, just sharing some courtesy to a guy who has put up with too much of your bullshit for the past few years.
You're absolutely right rab, if by acting "like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever," you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him, and by "comes out the bigger person in all of this," you meant deciding to attack two posters by name on another board and creating an environment where they are seemingly not welcomed (which, by my understanding, is against the rules). If that's what you meant by those two statements, then you're 100% right!
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: November 08, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
I was thinking about seeing Brian in early December for the Christmas album shows but I am kind of nervous after seeing some reviews of shows this year. Brian did not sound good on a lot of the stuff when I saw him play Pet Sounds a year ago. I'll probably just wait for some reviews of the Christmas shows to come out; hopefully the new material will energize him.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: May 01, 2018, 03:52:19 PM
Quote
Cousin,
I know what it's like to have the (Wilson) back gene. I am sympathetic and empathetic, as I myself have had back problems as early as junior high. I hope one day we'll be able to do something like this again; great memories. Looking forward to perhaps one day throwing some hoops. Feel better soon Brian.
Love, your cousin,
Mike 

Nice message from Mike on his Facebook, he posted this along with the picture of he and Brian playing basketball.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: February 26, 2018, 11:46:06 AM
It's unlikely, no question. It's not *that* unlikely. If Mike in the next couple years runs into some problem rendering some sort of infirmity (or worse), then things might change. That's the only scenario where I could see something along the lines of Brian's band essentially simply taking on the BB name. That window is probably only another few years.

One could only hope that it's sooner than later.
Classy.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Top 3 Favorite Solo Albums on: December 06, 2017, 09:30:19 AM
Agree on the above, and tellingly, OCA is OOP now and quite pricey on the used market. 

The physical CD does appear to be out of print (though there are some pretty cheap used copies on Amazon, in the $7-$12 range).

It can still be purchased as an MP3 download, and it's also streaming on Amazon (and this I would presume Spotify, etc., though I can't say for certain).
It’s on Spotify.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Top 3 Favorite Solo Albums on: December 06, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
Agree on the above, and tellingly, OCA is OOP now and quite pricey on the used market. 
Yes it is, I LOVE the album cover and am always crossing my fingers it’ll somehow get a vinyl release.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Top 3 Favorite Solo Albums on: December 06, 2017, 08:35:45 AM
1. POB

2. OCA

3. BW88

I couldn’t pick which was better between 2 and 3. I think the best of BW88 is better than the best of OCA but OCA is more consistent in my opinion.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Help Light The National Christmas Tree WITH PROMO PHOTO on: December 06, 2017, 08:26:35 AM
No Pier Pressure has plenty of examples. Nearly every track actually...it's just WAY more subtle and more tasteful than on Mike's piece of garbage.

Ok! Give me one prominent or obvious one! Track, approx time, etc., and I'll listen. That's all I ask.  Smiley

I mean if we're going to bring that up in the context of Mike's latest TV appearance and album, I want to hear where the comparison might be which led to bringing it up regarding a BW album when the topic is Mike's latest music being Autotuned to the point of being obnoxious.
Well first of all, Nate was the one who brought up auto tune, and if you bothered to read his post he obviously said it can be done TASTEFULLY, like on BW albums. You immediately got defensive about them, even thought he complimented the production. As for examples, listen to This Beautiful Day, Whatever Happened, or Guess You Had To Be There. To my ears, it’s pretty obvious that there is something different about those vocals compared to say One Kind I’d Love or TLOS. Brian’s voice just sounds different, a little more electronic, whereas they sound much more organic on the two examples I gave. Again, I’m not the only one to have said this, so it’s not just me pointing this out. I’m also not disagreeing or harping on Brian or whoever’s choice it was, but to say the album is completely free of it is just naive to me.



I actually own and use Antares Autotune. I know what it does, how it works, how to properly set it and mix it on tracks, and basically the whole ball of wax.

Is that naive enough?

All I'm asking is for an example, either on Gershwin, NPP, and the like. Not an outrageous request by any means.

I know Nate brought it up, which is why I replied to him and asked him the question. But I'm glad it's not just you pointing this out, whatever that's supposed to mean.

"a little more electronic"?  Ok.

Does anything at all on NPP or any of Brian's albums sound even remotely like what you heard on Mike's voice at this tree lighting or on his new album?

If NPP sounds electronic to your ears, on those tracks, how would you describe what Mike's voice sounds like on his new album? Any comparison?

So I ask you who has Mike's photo in your profile and namesake...how is there even a sliver of similarity to bring up Brian's albums, supposedly "all" of which were autotuned enough to warrant a comparisons or mention when the topic is Mike's voice being saturated with Autotune and no attempts made to mask that fact?

if Mike is such a great singer with such a strong voice, why wasn't the Autotune applied more subtly as you say it was done to sound "electronic" on those NPP tracks or any other BW releases?

Keep in mind, the way Autotune works is the more pitchy and off-key a singer is, the more Autotune will be noticeable as an effect moreso than a tool.

As it was the case, perhaps, on the C50 live release.

Maybe Mike is just a very pitchy singer who veers off key more often than not and has trouble in recent years with breath control and nailing pitches other than his "Be True To Your School" schtick.

Just watch any live version on Youtube of Kokomo or even Pisces Brothers from the last 3 years of Mike's touring, any audience recording that hasn't been treated to Autotune, and tell me Mike sings in tune consistently. He does not if those videos are any indication. And he also does not if his "disc 2" of Beach Boys remakes which are bathed in Autotune are any indication, despite Mike having sung those tunes for over 50 years.


Well first of all, you also have Mike as your profile picture. Does that mean I think you’re biased? No. That’s a silly argument. Second, nobody tried to compare Mike and Brian, or claimed that Mike never used it. You have brought that up yourself, arguing a point that I wasn’t trying to make. And in regards to consistent singing, I’m sorry to say but you could the same thing with Brian’s live performances. I would know, I was there. To think that anyone of them would be pitch perfect and holding them to that standard is unfair considering they are all 70+ years old. I’m not going to respond to a lot of your post because you’re trying to argue a point nobody was making, which is Mike’s voice/use of auto tune vs. Brian’s.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Help Light The National Christmas Tree WITH PROMO PHOTO on: December 05, 2017, 11:11:15 PM
No Pier Pressure has plenty of examples. Nearly every track actually...it's just WAY more subtle and more tasteful than on Mike's piece of garbage.

Ok! Give me one prominent or obvious one! Track, approx time, etc., and I'll listen. That's all I ask.  Smiley

I mean if we're going to bring that up in the context of Mike's latest TV appearance and album, I want to hear where the comparison might be which led to bringing it up regarding a BW album when the topic is Mike's latest music being Autotuned to the point of being obnoxious.
Well first of all, Nate was the one who brought up auto tune, and if you bothered to read his post he obviously said it can be done TASTEFULLY, like on BW albums. You immediately got defensive about them, even thought he complimented the production. As for examples, listen to This Beautiful Day, Whatever Happened, or Guess You Had To Be There. To my ears, it’s pretty obvious that there is something different about those vocals compared to say One Kind I’d Love or TLOS. Brian’s voice just sounds different, a little more electronic, whereas they sound much more organic on the two examples I gave. Again, I’m not the only one to have said this, so it’s not just me pointing this out. I’m also not disagreeing or harping on Brian or whoever’s choice it was, but to say the album is completely free of it is just naive to me.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Help Light The National Christmas Tree WITH PROMO PHOTO on: December 05, 2017, 09:00:13 PM
Exactly, a normal Beach Boys live show sounds exponentially better than the autotuned bs. I mean, seriously, did anyone hear Jeff's signature BW/BBs falsetto wail at the end of the song was so autotuned that I can't even begin to explain how horrible it sounds. Who approves this sh*t? I just have such a hard time imagining Mike or anyone on his team listening to all of the autotuned BBs product from the last few years, and being satisfied with the sound. For a band that is often regarded as the greatest vocal group of all time, you think everyone related to The BBs (Brian and Mike's respective camps included) would not take any shortcuts to get a "good" vocal sound. We've seen this happening since the C50 live album, and it boggles me. A little bit of autotune (like on almost all of BW's solo records) is fine- hell, as a producer, it's a blessing to be able to fix a bad note or two, but to just coat something in robotic automatic pitch correction to the point where it sounds like a computer trying to impersonate singing! I just don't get it. I don't think it's laziness, but I am just amazed that C50 live album, Unleash The Love, and all of these lip sync tracks are approved by someone!

The storyline is always how in control Mike is of his career, of his touring and music-making, how sharp he is in a business sense, etc. If he's that in control of his life and career, how hard is it to say Mike himself approves and has approved ALL of this?

And - Nice reference to BW's solo records Nate (comment in bold). I assume you've heard all of those albums and personally picked out the "autotune" on each, correct? If so, please inform me where it is audible, especially on BW's albums like Gershwin and NPP, I'd love to hear those examples for myself.


I know you love Brian Wilson, we all do, that’s why we’re here. But don’t let it cloud your judgement. You cannot tell me that you do not hear auto tune on NPP at all. That’s just being naive.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 17, 2017, 09:49:22 PM
The autotune is especially baffling because on the songs where there is less of it, Mike's voice doesn't sounds too bad. There's a note at the end of 'I Don't Wanna Know' that he hits that sounded pretty good, and I couldn't detect much autotune or anything on it. If he can still hit notes like that, why was so much used on this album? Overall though, the strength of some of the songs surprised me, and there are some that I could definitely see myself listening to again. Listening to how good some of these songs are makes me wish they would've taken a more democratic or Sunflower-esque approach to TWGMTR. Take some of the best off this album, the best off the released album, and a song from Al and Bruce each and C50 might've lasted a lot longer. I feel the album would be better as well, with these songs benefiting from Joe Thomas/Brian Wilson production. Just a thought.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Paley Sessions Discussion Thread on: November 16, 2017, 06:23:23 PM
Wasn't Melinda also a factor in the songs not ever being released? I've read that she didn't like the material either and in turn pushed him towards working with Joe Thomas instead.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing on: October 13, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).

Well, you would be surprised to find that many trolls are older. It doesn't anger me at all. In fact I find it kind of funny actually. I thought Picses Brothers is at the very least harmless and sweet. And yet, you can find his negative comment on youtube! There are plenty of cringe worthy songs by Mike, I agree. But even at his worst, he is better than the awful Kieth Urban. But I don't take the time to comment on all his songs! Lol!!

OK, that does it! From now on I'll promise to always agree with you on your opinions. Honest. I mean shouldn't we all always agree on everything?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
OSD, what are your opinions on some of Mike’s more celebrated songs such as Big Sur, All I Wanna Do, Meant For You, etc. Do you dislike those as much as most of the others or do you like any of them at all? I’m genuinely asking.

Also, all the great lyrics on Wild Honey, and all his wonderful contributions before that which played a HUGE part in what made the Beach Boys great.

I don't think many of us dispute that.

We want to give Mike his due.

It's Mike who makes it consistently hard to do so.
Of course! I know Mike is given credit where it's due by most people around here, I just have wondered whether OSD has a soft spot for any of his post '66 songs since many of them are different from anything he has ever done. I know he has often commented how he dislikes many of his songs but I just want to know if those are lumped in with them. And if they are for what reasons?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing on: October 13, 2017, 03:54:39 PM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).

Well, you would be surprised to find that many trolls are older. It doesn't anger me at all. In fact I find it kind of funny actually. I thought Picses Brothers is at the very least harmless and sweet. And yet, you can find his negative comment on youtube! There are plenty of cringe worthy songs by Mike, I agree. But even at his worst, he is better than the awful Kieth Urban. But I don't take the time to comment on all his songs! Lol!!

OK, that does it! From now on I'll promise to always agree with you on your opinions. Honest. I mean shouldn't we all always agree on everything?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
OSD, what are your opinions on some of Mike’s more celebrated songs such as Big Sur, All I Wanna Do, Meant For You, etc. Do you dislike those as much as most of the others or do you like any of them at all? I’m genuinely asking.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: October 06, 2017, 10:23:29 AM
They need a reality show with Mike and VDP making an album! Evil
For once I'll agree with you, that would be pretty funny LOL
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