Well, on topic, I do want to say that Jan & Dean have never much caught my attention but I do think it's not a great idea to evaluate music in terms of its "coolness" and how much "cool people" like it. I think that's a particularly dangerous evaluation criteria when one is a Beach Boys fan.

This 100%.

As to Dean Torrence's influence on BW, is it true that Dean suggested they record Barbara Ann?  That's something I guess.  I mean, I personally can't stand the song but it was a big hit for them so...  And it's fair to say Brian liked Dean as a graphic designer.

Sorry, but I don't think you'll get anywhere near what you're asking.  These don't usually sell for very much unfortunately.

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=brian+wilson+midnight%27s+another+day&x=7&y=6

Best of luck with your money troubles though.

My opinion hasn't changed from when I first heard it:

The production is great and the lead is a career best vocal contender for Dennis.  That said, I'm not particularly impressed with the song.  It's nowhere near as good as most of his work was IMO.

YES!

Kind of crazy that these things have sold out and are commanding such a high price.  What was the retail price, like $60 or something?  For that you could put together a Raspberry Pi gaming system that can play so much more stuff.  You could even get a NES style case for it.

http://lifehacker.com/how-to-turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-retro-game-console-498561192

But Clinton was neither and anyone who wasted their vote, or didn't vote, didn't really participate!  Illy, sorry but your vote was wasted. Might as well have voted for Mickey Mouse. There were only two electable choices, period!

The problem with this idea is in many states, there's really only one electable candidate.  If you live in a deep red state for example...yeah, it's not turning blue no matter what you do.  The popular vote means nothing and that's the real problem here.

*back to lurking*

"Witch Hunt" is a term referring to the Salem (Massachusetts) witch trials of the 1600's. If members of the community accused someone of being a witch, the end result was that person ended up dead. The accusation itself was enough proof that the accused was guilty of being a witch. They were given trials where any number of town fathers, leaders, clergy, and regular townspeople would line up and point to the accused, giving their proof to the "court" that they know the accused was guilty, they saw it with their own eyes. The evidence didn't need to be factual or even realistic, someone could say they saw the accused levitating in the woods and that was taken as all the proof needed. Then there were opportunities given to the accused to "confess", which similar to the Inquisition involved everything from being dunked and drowned in a pond or lake until an admission of guilt was made, to being burned at the stake.

It got revived again most infamously when Sen Joseph "Tailgunner Joe" McCarthy and any number of his government cohorts began calling dozens of citizens before Senate committees in the 1950's accusing them of being communists. Many of them were actively working in Hollywood and the entertainment industry. Many had their careers ruined by the simple fact they were accused of being communists, or traitors to the country - whatever they said to defend themselves meant little or nothing in light of the fact they were accused. Others were compelled to testify against their fellow citizens when confronted with various dossiers and case histories that had been compiled by J Edgar Hoover's office which amounted to blackmailing them into confirming the accusations.

It was the result of earlier cases which had been proven being taken to illogical extremes by zealots and those who were on a mission to destroy people they blamed for ruining the country. Once the precedent was set by earlier cases, it was open season on anyone who was a target to be taken out. And whatever defense they had meant nothing because the accusation itself was a guilty verdict by default.


"Communist Witch Hunt", "McCarthyism"...it was a modern version of the Salem witch trials where the accused was guilty because they were accused, facts or truth be damned. The worst end result of mob mentality, propaganda, and getting groups of people to believe whatever they are being led to believe in order to get a desired result - whether it was ridding the town of witches, or ridding the US and Hollywood of communist sympathizers.

That's the off-topic background of the phrase witch hunt. I'd also recommend considering the EDIT - Billy Wilder film (based on the stage play) "Stalag 17" for an example of how the mob mentality can lead to paranoia, hysteria, and false accusations against the innocent party while the guilty are hiding in plain sight. William Holden's character specifically. The mob was 100% convinced he was the one to blame and had all the proof they needed to label him the traitor causing all the problems in their barracks. But he was not guilty.

All witchcraft comes from carnal lust, which is in women insatiable.

Brian could be said to have won a Grammy for his Smile material with the 2011 Best Historical Album award, although of course that prize was technically given to Messrs. Boyd and Linett, who richly deserved the honor.

Don't forget though that Brian did win a Grammy in 2005 for Best Rock Instrumental Performance with Mrs. O'Leary's Cow.

This is all a bunch of high school level bullshit.  Sigh.

I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion because I re-watched the original Star Wars the other day with the family and I think we were all bored by it. I've watched the movie three times now and have never been bowled over by it. But I understand that many people love it.

Yeah, lots of people love it, but I suppose there's no accounting for taste.  Star Wars is sh*t.  I liked the toys when I was a kid though.

"account of the 60s", not "account of his time with Brian". Big difference.

I don't think so, since Mr. Daro wasn't speaking in general terms about the decade.  The topic was obviously his time with Brian so I can't see why Van Dyke would randomly tweet support for something that wasn't being discussed to begin with.  I'll agree to disagree though (and that goes for the next time Lorren Daro comes up here too).

 You do know that Van Dyke backed up what Lorren said...right?

Re-read what VDP's tweet actually said. It sure as hell wasn't anything like "yes, he's right all the way down the line". Not even close.

"I confirm Lorren Daro's account of the 60s: an inconvenient truth, in its candor. Never judge a book by its movie!"

Where is the ambiguity in this?  I don't see it.

Not only that, but Parks has his own axe to grind.

To be fair, so do you when it comes to VDP.

The thing is, this isn't and never was a reunion of the original GNR.  Basically the bass and guitar spots opened in Axl's existing band so Duff and Slash slid back in.  That's a very different distinction to me.

Alabama or a general southern Olympic team would be amazing.

Is Meth an Olympic sport now?

I'd like to UPLOAD or LINK... So, once again, if anyone can instruct me how to post the "COURT ORDER" in question...

Hey Rocky, you can upload it to a file host and post the download link in this thread.  Sendspace is quick and easy (you don't have to sign up to upload): https://www.sendspace.com

And you should try again to convince Stephen Love to post here!  I bet he has a lot of interesting stuff to say.

I mean, Jim Morrison seems like one of the grossest people ever, but if a couple of people set out to smash his head in, not because he had assaulted them but because they were mad he did drugs with someone else, I think I'd have a similar reaction to the one I have regarding the Dennis Wilson story.

Ha, well you know: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10392.msg189526.html#msg189526

Can't we just listen without all of the drama and snark?  Being polite and listening isn't condoning anything.

I agree.  Let the guy tell his story without taking shots at him.  Would you rather not hear any of this?  I doubt it, or you wouldn't be coming back to the thread.

Voices of reason.

I hope Rocky keeps posting here.  This is the most interesting thing to happen on this board in ages.  Looking forward to hearing more, Rocky.

Wow.

Between this and http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23152.0.html  I'm starting to strongly consider nuking the sandbox.

where the hell am I supposed to talk about jury duty in the future

I suggest a qualified therapist.  I still have nightmares.

Man, I want that blazer.  $616 though.

Bush 2.0 deserves his fair share of the blame, as do Reagan, Bush 1.0, and Clinton.

And Rambo.  Don't forget about Rambo.

The listing states the tape is 'From a Hollywood film lab from the 1970's' so it is only the show that is 5 years older. Of course it is worth what someone wants to pay but this does sound like a mass produced product rather than a rare find.

Can't disagree that both WERE probably mass produced;  but how many of either one survives?
 in the broader sense, the lack of multiple copies appearing is what drives the collectibles marketplace

I can't imagine many are still around.  I used to post wanted lists on film collector forums for any Beach Boys footage and never got a single lead on anything.

What's the matrix number?

Because the Pet Sounds reissue of '80 or so has the Duophonic. Or wait ... did that have the Duophonic too? I need to pull out my record!

It goes both ways.  I assume it depends on where a given copy was pressed, but some have WIBN in duophonic and others have it in mono.

Sonically and thematically, Smile is radically different than anything Brian did before or after.  Why do you think that is?  Do you think it was a coincidence that the project collapsed when VDP left?  Do you honestly believe, had VDP never been involved, that this album would have been the same with the exception of the lyrics?  It's pretty self explanatory to me.

I'm not interested in commenting on the Twitter stuff, but ...

It's pretty obvious to me that Van Dyke Parks had a strong musical influence on the Smile recordings. And that influence I think is notably missing from Smiley Smile (minus the older sessions). Just something to think about ... let's give credit where credit is due. I don't think BW would deny it either. The "Americana" musical streak is something I don't hear in any other BB work, yet is present on most VDP material. I'm sure BW would confirm.

Anyway, just to balance what seems to be a lot of discrediting going on in this thread.

Agreed.  It's frustrating to read so many posts minimizing his contributions.  If you don't hear it, you're not listening.