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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: Yesterday at 07:27:20 PM
2. People angered by Mike Love: Lets say a family member sues you for millions of dollars, Nate, and in that lawsuit basically rips to shreds any work you did for 3-4 decades...claiming all you did was lay around in bed collecting checks and doing drugs. That is exactly what Mike did to Brian just over a decade ago. The list goes on, quite frankly given how many times it has been discussed here, Iím surprised that a handful of posters forget why exactly Mike Love isnít looked on too highly amongst some fans. And again, I think the adulation Mike receives on these forums by some fans irks those who hold these rather logical opinions about the man.

Much like you Nate, I have shifted my views a bit in recent years. Mike has definitely become more chill these last few years. Having lived a decade since my first major dive into the Beach Boys world, I too have realized that people mess up in life. It makes me more sympathetic and forgiving because of this. I mess up, Mike messes up. The odd thing is though: those of us who mess up usually ADMIT we mess up. When has Mike ever apologized for the way he talks about Brian in the media? When has he ever publicly apologized to Brian for suing Brianís wife, friends, and business partners over a silly picture on a FREEBY CD? When has he ever publicly acknowledged his 2005 lawsuit flat out lied about Brian? This is exactly the reason why there is a lot of anger directed toward the man.

I can still look past all this and appreciate all the good things that Mike has contributed to the world and to the music of the Beach Boys. But I also wish that when some fans express annoyance/anger at Mike that others wouldn't be surprised that those emotions are grounded in reality.
I suppose people's argument against Mike is totally legitimate, but I don't think it should be brought up when talking about his music.

Taking Paul McCartney for example, in Japan in 1980, he was arrested for possession of marijuana and was put in jails for ten days until he was deported. In the same year, he released a song on the album McCartney II which has an obvious racial slur as the title ("Frozen Jap").  As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), he never publicly apologized for these offenses he committed.

Then, is it okay to criticize him as a "racist" or "criminal" when Beatles'/Paul's music is brought up as the topic subject? I don't think so - as much as what he had done was wrong, I think we should avoid ad hominem when discussing music, because it's simply distracting, and isn't likely to contribute to the reasonable appreciation for the music itself.

I'm not saying that we can't criticize Mike for what he's done - I do think it is completely legitimate to criticize him for what he's done, unless it goes too far to the point it's just a slander. That being said, I'd say let's keep these discussion out when discussing the music.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Shortenin' Bread: are earlier versions online? on: Yesterday at 03:59:28 PM
Indeed. I believe these renditions/variations of Shortenin' Bread are among the best things Brian has done 1970s onwards.

Alan said on Discord Q&A that there are couple more unheard Shortenin' Bread jams from 1974/5 - hope they will be released soon.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: Yesterday at 03:54:25 PM
I respect that Mike has been willing to put out new music over the last few years.

I hope he won't include any remake on the new album, though I'm 90% sure he will. I think remakes of old BB hits were huge drawbacks on Unleash the Love/Reason for the Season.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: Yesterday at 01:23:15 AM
Today's song is On the Island:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHTuo_MVul0
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: Yesterday at 01:22:00 AM
Your ratings for Whatever Happened:
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6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 19, 2019, 02:05:33 AM
Today's song is Whatever Happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaOcQoBxuHI
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 18, 2019, 04:05:00 AM
Today's song is Runaway Dancer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYzoqFrkttg
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 18, 2019, 04:02:50 AM
Your ratings for This Beautiful Day:
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9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 17, 2019, 03:58:09 AM
Today's song is This Beautiful Day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X7khclWBmc
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 17, 2019, 03:56:28 AM
*No Pier Pressure
1. This Beautiful Day
2. Runaway Dancer
3. Whatever Happened
4. On the Island
5. Half Moon Bay
6. Our Special Love
7. The Right Time
8. Guess You Had to Be There
9. Don't Worry
10. Somewhere Quiet
11. I'm Feeling Sad
12. Tell Me Why
13. Sail Away
14. One Kind of Love
15. Saturday Night
16. The Last Song
[Non-album tracks]
In the Back of My Mind (1975 Demo)
Run James Run
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 17, 2019, 03:54:02 AM
Your ratings for Wanderlust:
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12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 16, 2019, 03:13:11 AM
Today's song is Wanderlust:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG9tXM_x_1o
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 16, 2019, 03:12:20 AM
Your ratings for Peace on Earth:
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14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 15, 2019, 02:03:57 AM
Today's song is Peace on Earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cET-iLzxork
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 15, 2019, 02:02:45 AM
Your ratings for A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes:
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16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 14, 2019, 02:38:51 AM
Today's song is A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUskgz1N4is
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 14, 2019, 02:35:59 AM
Your ratings for When You Wish Upon A Star:
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18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 13, 2019, 02:45:42 AM
Today's song is When You Wish Upon A Star:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf_fMC78poU
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 13, 2019, 02:44:24 AM
Your ratings for Heigh-Ho/Whistle While You Work/Yo Ho (A Pirate's Life For Me) :
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20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 12, 2019, 08:11:41 AM
Today's song is Heigh-Ho/Whistle While You Work/Yo Ho (A Pirate's Life For Me).
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 12, 2019, 08:10:19 AM
Your ratings for Stay Awake:
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22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian Wilson Songs Discovered on BMI's Website on: March 11, 2019, 02:00:05 AM
Not to derail your thread, but there is also a list of Brian songs from Landy era, apparently from the Library of Congress copyright records, posted on this forum years ago: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=4645.0

It's an utterly fascinating and intriguing list, for sure. Not sure how many more of them we will ever get to hear, though.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian Wilson Songs Discovered on BMI's Website on: March 11, 2019, 01:53:56 AM
I'm afraid there are some tracks on your list that already circulate in some form:

"Terri, She Needs Me" was uploaded by Brian's official instagram account last month: https://www.instagram.com/p/BuGzm-_n_Nf/

"Rings", if I recall correctly, was on one of Andy Paley bootleg somehow, and is uploaded on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwDwv_Mppxs

Same goes for "Walking On Water": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MV2yaMbhQw
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 11, 2019, 01:49:32 AM
Today's song is Stay Awake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3T3pJkKJrY
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: March 11, 2019, 01:48:34 AM
Your ratings for I Just Can't Wait To Be King:
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