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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Could Brian write music in the style of 'Pet Sounds' after Pet Sounds? on: June 26, 2020, 08:56:20 PM
I know... After Pet Sounds a new era of Smile began which was drastically different. Then after the demise of Smile there were sporadic moments of Pet Sounds, to some degree, - Busy Doin' Nothin' all the way to Had To Phone Ya.... And on his solo albums at spots.

But the question is: was Brian 'reluctant' to write in the Pet Sounds style - either because it didn't do so well at the time, or because everyone wanted it, or it wouldn't have fit in with the 'times'... Or had so much time accumulated that he was incapable of making music in that style?

From Surfin' Safari to Pet Sounds you can hear and follow the growth and the accumulation of everything Brian had learned to the zenith that is Pet Sounds. Smile was, of course, a 'one-up' of Pet Sounds but totally different.

How come Brian didn't ever really try to write in the style of Pet Sounds again?
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Many Moods of Murry Wilson questions on: June 03, 2020, 08:28:46 PM
Any body out there have the ability to ask Al? If we have a way, may as well ask him. These (insignificant) questions won't be able to be answered.. forever. Plus I doubt he's gotten this question before, and he may enjoy some Beach Boys fandom since he's off the road for this virus.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Question for Mr. Desper - Recording Brian in Western 1980 with Chuck Britz on: May 28, 2020, 08:01:47 PM
Thank you for the response! I appreciate any tidbits on this era. Just quoting the book - which claimed.. Quote.. "Chuck Britz, always Brian's most trusted engineer, even agreed to come out of retirement to run the vacuum tube mixing board they'd managed to dig up for the sessions."

I had no clue Chuck was working well into the mid 80's! Is there anything we know he produced/worked on?
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Question for Mr. Desper - Recording Brian in Western 1980 with Chuck Britz on: May 28, 2020, 06:50:37 PM
I was reading 'Catch a wave: the ride, fall, and redemption of the Beach Boys' by Peter Carlin (2006). On page #232 the entire page is devoted to The Beach Boys (well, at least Carl) + Marilyn converting Western studios to look like how Brian would have remembered it in the 1960's. Including putting up plywood to hide 'modern' equipment. Going so far as to source an old four-track Ampeg recorder, Urei tube console, and original Altec 604e speakers.

They even went so far as to supposedly drag Chuck Britz out of retirement to show up to mix for his old chum Brian!

Mr. Desper commented in the book. It says Brian was 38 which would have been 1980 and sessions for School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes the Bell), and Sunshine took place. We also know that (Old R&B standard )"Stranded in the Jungle" and oldie "Jamaica Farewell" were attempted.

My question to Mr. Desper is: Can you shed any additional information on this session? Mood and atmosphere? Was it merely one go? Or multiple days? How was Chuck? And Carl?

Were "Stranded in the Jungle" and "Jamaica Farewell" completed?

What session crew members were there? I'm curious to know if it was newer cats or some old studio birds from the heyday.

Was Brian just trying to get the sessions over with or was he at least calling for additional takes, more this, more that, etc - Like how we hear on other early session outtakes where he is clearly in control and knows what he wants.


I know this was a long time ago, so understandable if you don't recall too much. I've Googled around and couldn't find much info on this/these session(s) so hoped you'd be in the neighborhood and could pop in.

Also if anyone else wants to kick in, come on!


5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Many Moods of Murry Wilson questions on: May 28, 2020, 03:50:40 PM
You're right. I've been under the wrong assumption that Al was a sole writer to Lookin' At Tomorrow. I had to look it up again.

Even crazier then that Al barely has songs attributed solely to him and him and Murry didn't really see eye-to-eye and here's a song on Murry's solo album.

Just seems really strange. Wish I knew how it got pitched up, was Al involved at all in the production?
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Many Moods of Murry Wilson questions on: May 26, 2020, 09:44:24 PM
We don't definitively KNOW that for sure. however.  Merely speculative. Al definitely was not 'In the family' and would NOT have a sole writing credit for a song until Surf's Up. He did numerous covers until then.

It just seems extremely strange that Al (of all the members) would have pitched -Murray- of all people a song way back in 1967.

Especially considering that his next 'entirely created' song would appear on Surf's Up in 1971
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Many Moods of Murry Wilson questions on: May 23, 2020, 07:27:56 AM
"Italia" is, of course, based on the piece "Pink CChampagne"which was written around 1962 by Al I think.

That's correct. 1963. Which makes it even more confusing to me how this got selected. Did Al pitch it? Did Murry know about it prior to 'Many Moods'?
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Many Moods of Murry Wilson questions on: May 22, 2020, 09:39:04 PM
So we know the album was released in October of 1967. Which is almost a MONTH after Smiley Smile.

We know, according to Wikipedia, that Brian produced the song 'Italia' written by Al Jardine.

Did Brian produce the WHOLE album?

Now, Italia was Al's song and he wasn't really 'in' the 'family' circle the Murry concluded... Do we know HOW this song came to be proposed? Or what Murry thought of it?

Has there been any Beach Boys comment on the album? At all?


is it absolutely confirmed Brian produced the entire album?

Just seems very strange to me that Al Jardine of all people... who was unequivocally the 'outsider' of the group... managed to pitch an entire SONG up to Murry of all people. Al receives SOLE credit.... Meaning it is entirely HIM.... Back in 1967.. With 'Italia'.

It wouldn't be until 'Holland' in 1973 that Al receives another solo.. non-cover credit... with Holland's 1973 'California Saga'.

Seems a bit strange... Anyone have more info? This album is a unique period for the band.

9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Solo albums: Heroes or Villains? on: May 22, 2020, 08:35:08 PM
Dennis... we know he had be stockpiling songs. And been getting songs rejected. But I also think him pulling his songs off of Surf's Up (not just because the supposed argument with Carl about the track list) but because he knew he had amassed enough songs to make a solo album. I think he almost had a slight motivation or incentive to take his songs back.

I kind of disagree with the 'doesn't fit the format of the Beach Boys'. Other than Holland/Love You - I feel like most Beach Boys albums are kind of a hodge podge as is. Look at 20/20. Even Surf's Up. And don't even get me started on Light Album and MIU.... They're all over the place. So I don't think that the songs 'don't fit a format'. I doubt that had very little influence.

We know Dennis was told either be a Beach Boy or be solo. Then.. merely years later..  Mike and Carl are doing the same thing and with way less repercussions or threats. I find that interesting. I wonder what Dennis thought of that.

He did supposedly 'chicken out' of a mini tour, or opening act with the Boys. But Carl was doing that and it didn't seem to be as big of a deal as when Dennis proposed it.

Dennis eventually offered his songs on LA. So if he was worried about songs 'not fitting in' - here he is offering songs to fulfill an album.


Where as Mike and Carl had some good songs (IMO) on their solo albums that could have only lifted the Beach Boys contemporary albums... But didn't.

Just seems a relatively selfish act - especially from Mike who rarely pitched up songs; Carl, too, in the later 70's and beyond barely contributing songs. Relegating the Beach Boys to covers to pad out their albums and Culture Club giveaways.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Solo albums: Heroes or Villains? on: May 20, 2020, 09:16:45 PM
Obviously Dennis, Mike, and Carl released solo albums back in the day. Rumor has it that the 'Boys' even told Dennis to pick and choose between a solo artist or a Beach Boy. Then, following suite, Mike and Carl released solo albums.

Dennis had been spurred - according to rumor - he pulled his tracks off of Surf's Up (1971) and didn't have a single track for the album..
Mike released his debut shortly after - and the Carl after that.


Obviously Dennis was getting kind of spurred - and he was kind of 'big headed' to want his songs to close the Surf's Up album. But Dennis conclusions would have only helped the Surf's Up album. (IMO)

Likewise, both Mike and Carl burned good songs on their solo albums. Carl was barely coming up with songs on Beach Boys albums but had enough material for 2 solo albums. Mike has numerous solo albums and some weaker Beach Boys albums in the late 70ís and 80ís could have used more tracks. But he burned them on solo releases.

Just seems like the better solo songs would have helped Beach Boys albums and gotten their songís noticed more in a Beach Boys album.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Blondie answers why he left the band on: May 15, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
I think the trajectory for the Boys continues relatively the same as it did go down.

Blondie and Rickey definitely added some spice, and their songs were good contributions for sure. But I don't count them as such a force internally and politically (band-wise) to have much of power to swing things in a direction. Do we really think they were given 'voting rights' to the inner band politics? No way.

They WERE Beach Boys at the time, but I doubt they had much power. Essentially, glorified backing band members.

Do you really think that they'd have kept both of them into the 90's? 2000's? I think from the start they were going to be used and dropped. I'm sure they knew that, too.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: is there a definitive bass list for David, Al and Brian during the 60's? on: April 24, 2020, 09:30:11 PM
Can't be Carl on bass as you hear their Dad say 'let me hear you David' and he plays what sounds like a bass. You hear Carl at the beginning plucking away at guitar, too.

As for the comment "I had never considered that, but Murry also says David to sweeten up and not remove treble (so I don't think it's likely would've said that about bass)"

Murry was kind of known to say stuff just to say stuff, it seems. He was also known to direct the guitars to be super trebly and bright. David Marks has credited him for suggesting that and making that sound come through. I think it's very possible that Murry thought David had a good bass tone and not to remove treble as the mix sounded good from in the room. merely to play smoother/cleaner etc as a way to 'sweeten it up'. He is kind of flubbing notes on the transition.

For me, it sounds like a bass being played through a Fender Showman and kind of 'flubbing out'. I went and played my P bass with a pick through my 1961 Fender Showman and at higher levels it will kind of flub out.

It's also a very typical bass line of the day doing the 1, 3, 5, 6.

Upon further listening in headphones: I'm almost certain David is playing bass. Especially when he transitions to the next part when Brian tells him to slow down.

I don't hear another guitar come in, either. Brian is on piano, too. Leaving the bass open.

I'd almost bet David is playing bass on it. Not that Wikipedia is de facto - but he isn't credited with playing bass on the whole album; perhaps this should be revised? Is this the only instance he is on bass?

Waiting to hear what C man would have to say, but at this point I feel pretty confident saying David is playing bass, which is kind of revolutionary at this point.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / is there a definitive bass list for David, Al and Brian during the 60's? on: April 24, 2020, 03:32:45 PM
I had Made in California on shuffle today and it landed on the 'Surfers Rule - with session intro'. It sounds like to me that is has David on the bass at the beginning and not guitar - is that a bass? Sounds deep and like it's kind of distorting out. Common for those old Fender tube bass amps. I didn't know David played bass on any of those early career sessions.

I know Al and Brian played bass, and during a brief overlap both David and Al were in the recording studio.

So is there a list where we see who played bass on early 60's stuff before studio musicians began to creep in?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Other first (and last?) instrument uses on BBs records on: April 21, 2020, 09:49:33 PM
What about the horns on trombone Dixie? we seemed to have missed that one. Also isnít there a French horn in kiss me baby?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do You Wanna Dance - Guitar Production Video on: April 17, 2020, 01:02:02 PM
I had an original 60ís Fender VI at one point and even with a lot of trem use it stayed in tune fine.
Iím not disagreeing with you, but I havenít heard that as a common complaint with the bass vi.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do You Wanna Dance - Guitar Production Video on: April 16, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Thank you for the reply. Just wanted to add - the bass vi shipped with flatwounds. I was pretty sure of this but had to verify it before I could report back. Iím with you, though. I feel like it is a round wound tone, where you can hear the fingers sliding on the strings. But not sure if itís just being picked up due to what I perceived as trem but is actually tape slap... so still canít decide if I think itís rounds or flats but leaning toward rounds.

The only reason I bring up the bass vi as a theory is because obviously the band was endorsed by Fender and given new toys. Like Carlís prototype fender xii for example. So I think it could be a possibility itís a bass vi. Especially when you consider Glen didnít even own one and had to borrow Carolís. These were studio musicians but also constantly in The Beach Boys orbit, as well as Glen being a little closer to the band.. ergo .. potentially allowing the Easy accessibility of a bass vi.

I need to get a jerry Jones danelectro bass vi copy now and compare it to my bass vi!

17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do You Wanna Dance - Guitar Production Video on: April 15, 2020, 09:05:32 PM
It sounds like there is tremolo on it, which the bassman of the day did not have. Showman, Concert, Bandmaster were the big amps that boasted trem. Did Carl still use the Showman in 65? The Princeton Reverb and Vibrochamp has trem but are much smaller and maybe not practical in a big production - but being a relatively straightforward tune with comparatively low instruments it perhaps could have been close mic’d or over dub’d? Not sure. Would love to get the definitive answer or to at least narrow it down some as I’ve always loved that tone.

Also. Can we be sure it is a Danelectro? Not a Fender Bass VI? Sounds like it has roundwounds on it to me. What do you think?
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do You Wanna Dance - Guitar Production Video on: April 15, 2020, 06:17:15 PM

aeijtzsche do you happen to know what bass and amplifier were used to get the tone at the very start of your video? It's the bass line from I'm So Young. I've always wondered who played it, what bass, and what album. Please let me know if you do!
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Sums Up Life in 3 Minutes on PBS - Does he mention songwriting credits? on: January 10, 2020, 10:30:34 AM
Here is the direct Youtube link


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xoHaLpFn78&feature=emb_logo



20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 14, 2019, 08:42:02 PM
Whatever happened to the Durrie Parks acetates on eBay? Been meaning to make a topic on it ..

They were purchased by a private collector, and are basically unheard other than a tantalizing snippet at the very, very tail end of Wake the World Friends set.

I own that. Where at, exactly in the digital set is it? I really need to make a topic about this...
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 13, 2019, 12:37:47 PM
There wasn't a SMiLE copyright (digital only) release in 2016 or 2017 but we got a huge 5 CD box packed to the 80 minute mark on each disc a few years prior which sounds like what they are planning to do with Feel Flows.  My only gripe with that was hearing of a 6th disc worth of music being dropped from the box (could have been internet rumors).  They could have done a digital release with that extra SMiLE material plus a stereo mix of the album.  But next Friday could still be the day for some 1969 stuff.

Probably wishful thinking on my part, but I'd like to think there will be some sort of supplemental Smile Sessions release in the future.  Mark and Alan did a wonderful job on the 2011 box, and they and Capitol undoubtedly intended it to be the definitive treatment of its subject.   And yet, I, probably like many Smile fans, have never really shed the idea that there's still some unreleased Smile something out there that'd be worth hearing.   And, there's also the lingering fantasy that audio reels from the David Oppenheim film will finally turn up and reveal some missing material.

Whatever happened to the Durrie Parks acetates on eBay? Been meaning to make a topic on it ..
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 12, 2019, 03:25:52 AM
I am so excited!!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 10, 2019, 04:24:23 AM
UPDATE:

According to Reddit.

Digital stuff comes out this Friday.

And Bruce confirmed to a fan that the box set (physical!) is arriving February 2020

Iím in mobile so I canít copy and paste but thatís the meat of it.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Week in BB History December 6-18 on: December 10, 2019, 03:50:39 AM
Was he aware that he was terminally ill at that point?
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Week in BB History December 6-18 on: December 08, 2019, 01:29:45 PM
Whoa the beach boys played Bremen Germany 1968? Iím here now visiting. Had no idea. Cool!
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