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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Should They Call It A Day After This Tour?
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on: June 24, 2012, 06:02:38 AM
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I honestly think their 'legacy' will be fine, enhanced by this tour/album. If they don't break up, that doesn't mean that they are going to put out SIP part 2 next year or anything. Brian's on a roll and has been since 1998 or so(even if much of the stuff languised/languishes in the vaults.). If he wants to continue, he will, if he doesn't, the BB aren't going to put anything out. I'm not worried. At this point, it's clear that the Beach Boys ARE Brian Wilson,, more so than they have been in decades. We're not going to get a Brian-less Beach Boys. He's not going to put something out like 15 B0 again, in my opinion. don't worry. Let him do as he wishes.
the Beach Boys are NEVER going to have the perfect little career-narrative that the Beatles have. it's too late for that. Besides we would have lost a lot of good music if they had!(for example, if they had broken up...when? Surf's Up would be the most logical placein my opinion to have an unblemished legacy(especially if the outtakes hadn't been taken out...) That means no Holland, no Love You and a LOT of great songs.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Help!!!
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on: June 21, 2012, 01:17:23 PM
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I'm wondering if I should pick up the Good Vibrations box set, or the Pet Sounds one?
Also, where can I get more vocal tracks? Is Stack-o-tracks good?
Thanks!
You should pick up all of them. Stack-o-Tracks is indeed great, if you're a fan.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's health
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on: June 18, 2012, 04:18:26 AM
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Here: this will only take two minutes to read. http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2009/10/16/can-being-overweight-be-good-for-you/ For you: There are studies like the most recent Japanese one, saying that being overweight increases lifespan or reduces the odds of dying early. However, there are others that show the opposite. A Swedish study that we blogged about before showed that being overweight as a teenager increasesd the risk of an early death by the same extent as smoking one to ten cigarettes a day.
The big picture
When some studies say one thing and others say another, it’s useful to look at the evidence as a whole and see what picture it paints.
And one group of scientists has done just that, pulling together the results of 57 different prospective studies across Europe and North America. Together, the studies looked at the health of over 894,000 people, making this the best evidence to date on the effect of obesity on death.
The researchers found that the optimal BMI was 22.5, which sits in the middle of the healthy range (18.5 to 25). At this point, the odds of dying prematurely are at their lowest, providing powerful support for the importance of maintaining a health body weight.
The results of this analysis are particularly strong because they’re based on such a large number of people. For comparison, the sample size in the most recent Japanese study was around 20 times smaller. Larger samples make it less likely that results are influenced by chance or biases that might skew the results.
’s also important to note that most of the studies we’ve discussed in this post have looked at the links between body weight and premature death. But it’s not just the quantity of life that matters but its quality.
Many of the conditions and diseases that are caused by obesity, including heart disease and diabetes, can often be successfully managed or treated. But that doesn’t mean that they should be ignored.
So it’s also important to look at whether being overweight or obese increase the risk of developing diseases rather than just dying from them. And certainly, when it comes to cancer, that evidence is very clear. After being a non-smoker, keeping a healthy body weight is one of the best ways of stacking the odds of avoiding cancer in your favour.
Being overweight and obese increases the risk of many different types of cancer, including some of the most common (breast and bowel cancers) and some of the most difficult to treat (cancers of the pancreas, gallbladder and food pipe (oesophagus) to name a few). In fact, as more large studies are completed, the list of cancers that are affected by body weight grows ever larger.Eh. Science, schmience. Load up on the steak and birthday cake, Brian! Dr. Hickey says it's OK!!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's health
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on: June 18, 2012, 03:57:57 AM
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Well, semantic quibbling aside, I think only on a Beach Boys board would people argue, apparently, that being overweight and pre-diabetic is, in fact, not bad for you. I guess I'm going to stay saying: it is bad for you. And by bad, I mean its unhealthy.
Yes there are other factors. No one said that there weren't. For example, getting plenty of sleep is good for you. Maybe Brian gets plenty of sleep. However, he is still obese--not 'a bit overweight'-- and pre-diabetic. Most people, even those who qualify as 'the best care that money can buy' would say that those are unhealthy 'factors.' And pretty significant ones. The fact--or whatever we want to call it, being careful here!--that most people who lose weight gain it again is rather irrelevant, in my opinion. Or, rather, I'm not grasping the relevance.
But I'll concede that being overweight doesn't necessarily mean that one is unhealthy. However, since he is overweight AND pre-diabetic, that sort of leads me to presume that Brian is not healthy.
And come now. Anybody can google any thing that supports an argument like this. I won't bother to post links to the hundreds of thousands of articles, studies, statistics, etc. that support my thesis that, generally, obesity is unhealthy and causes health problems.
And I have spent a good deal more than two minutes looking into this. Rather weeks and months.
But, well, you believe what you want. Fat people live longer, or something. I'm pretty sure that the 'best medical care/advice money can buy' is going to be on my side, though.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's health
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on: June 17, 2012, 07:49:19 PM
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I agree with you that he is a big boy and can take care of himself. I don't agree that there is 'probably no reason to worry about his spare tire.' Other than the fact that ,ultimately, it isn't our business, I suppose. I'm sure the 'best medical care/advice money can buy'* would agree with me. He has already said in an interview that he was 'pre-diabetic.' That's not something you just blow off.
Yes, his medication does cause weight gain. Which makes it more tragic for me because that coupled with the bad back might truly make it out of his control. He looks better in recent days, I think though. I think the tour is doing something good for him. I hope.
*Eugene Landy and michael Jackson's doctor spring to mind as examples of why a certain skepticism should accompany this 'surety.'
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What did Bruce do on Smiley Smile?
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on: June 17, 2012, 12:59:00 PM
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Bruce has talent but sometimes has questionable taste. He probably bugs me the most of the Beach Boys, mainly because I see him as a sort of syncophantic goody-goody to whatever the corporate line happens to be at the time*. But whatever. He's a Beach Boy and for the half dozen or so songs he contributed, you have to give him props. Well you don't have to. But I do.
*unless it's hippy-inflected.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can't Wait Too Long - why the different versions?
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on: June 17, 2012, 12:52:17 PM
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Me too. I always thought it sort of a mini-smile type thing, with Brian not sure how to do it best so recording and re-recording; the mixed stuff being latter-day Linnett mixes to show what is there listenably; nothing 'definitive' about them, in the sense that the hypothetical completed work might not have been that way...Personally, I don't have any bootleg versions. I guess I prefer the twofer one because of the bit at the end.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Ballad of ol' betsy a car or a woman?
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on: June 15, 2012, 11:25:05 PM
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No, I meant the humor in the song. Yeah, though, I will freely admit that my own sense of humour, while healthy, alive and kicking, sucks monkey balls.
Growing up in the 60s, that song was serious about how people felt about their cars, especially cars that were restored from scratch or tricked out. I never found any humor in the song. I suspect young people today don't feel that way now. They just trade it in for a new one. Well, obviously I can't prove it, and Christian is dead so he can't tell us but I think that the humorous ambiguity in the lyrics is intentional.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's health
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on: June 15, 2012, 07:41:38 AM
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I can well believe he was walking two miles. When I was at my most overweight I could easily walk 10 miles on a day off!(And I did and pretty soon I wasn't that overweight.) I can understand that he might have some problems, but surely there is some cardio-vascular exercise he could do. At heart he's still kind of a jock, even if he is equally kind of an artsy-fartsy weirdo at heart. My point is, I want to the dude to be healthy and I'm sure he'd prefer it on some level as well.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's health
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on: June 15, 2012, 07:35:48 AM
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Exactly. It's a bit more than a paunch. I don't want to guess his weight, as it's true that at his height a bit more pounds is natural. But I think it's clear that he not just 'overweight' but obese. I mean, if he's enjoying himself, fine, but he will last longer if is in shape, most likely. Yeah, he's going to die regardless. it really just depends on how much longer he wants to be around for his kids, I guess. And all of us are going to shed some tears the day that guy goes, I'm sure. Not that he really owes us anything, of course.
I'm sure his doctor tells him the same thing. So what's the problem? I'm not saying he's stupid, but that his weight is unhealthy.
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