Wonder if hes looking for dennis in the afterlife to kick his ass some more  for ripping off his song

Manson won't be seeing Dennis.

And yes, I know Dennis was no saint, but I still like to think of him in a better place.

Don't worry. The sea is a better place than a crematorium.

He's ceased to exist.

Sorry.

A Clever Dick

I think VDPs ‘Discover America’ is one of the coolest albums ever made
 

You're not alone in that assertion. Easily in my top 10.

The guy has always had an acerbic sense of humour and a way with words. That's what got him the Smile gig in the first place.


And he has dignity and a sense of his own self worth. Probably why he walked away from the Smile gig.


VDP is VDP. A one off.  Dickish and pretensious? Try devilish and contentious. Good friends with Richard Thompson too, apparently. Says it all.

It's not pretentious for him to say his musical abilities are fat above those of Shrillex. It's just honest.

1) Treat others as you expect to be treated yourself.

2) Keep Smiley Smile in mono.

As a basic life philosophy,  it's simple, but it's really all you need.

Checked them out. They are not.

Beach Boys sang "All other skin is fake on a band"

Beach Boys adhere to silence

Brian and his Great Mates

The power of Dennis Wilson

In Carl the reason for the sound.

Mike's "In the face" feedback

Al Jardine and his resting person

Ladies and gentlemen.......

The Beach Boys

Sorry to hear you're going through a rough patch.  I'll bet Brian would be thrilled his work has offered you solice.

I'm raising a pint for your birthday as I type 

Definitely not defending Mike..........

is how all Mike defenders start their posts.



Just joking PF,  you's one of the good guys.

Well that answers why it was a mystery trying to figure out who was singing lead on Mike's Darlin remake...now the question is apart from Mike if that's him doing bass vocals, are any of Mike's musicians on that cut or is it this band "AJR" instead?

It's really hard to believe if it wasn't a reality. Mike wants fans to listen to AJR covering Beach Boys songs, billed as a Mike Love solo release even though he's on maybe 10% of the recording, and downplays the Real Beach Boys archival release of the same songs? Damn.

But......?  

Since when does a musician covering a song have to be an improvement versus an interpretation or just someone wanting to record a song which they love?

(Sorry GF)

I think the key point is that Mike had little to zero to do with this cover. So he hasn't really recorded it, he's basically put someone elses cover on his album.

I haven't heard Darlin, it's no longer available (that's my evening spoilt), but I did listen to those two songs by AGD or AJR or whatever they're called.

If that horrible, lazy, mumbled, not pronouncing words properly so called conversational style of singing has been used on Darlin, then those three jokers need stringing up and flaying alive. They should then be force fed their own genitals.  I'm deadly serious.

Also Mike should have his license to use the Beach Boys name revoked forthwith for allowing this to be recorded.

Like I say, I haven't heard it, but my judgement is final.

Normal bucket list

1) Sky dive
2) Swim with dolphins

Craig's bucket list

1)Watch Pickle Brothers perform on Ed Sullivan Show
2) Swim with dolphins

Regarding banding, I think there would have been some, but there woukd have also been some long sequences containing several songs / sections.. In my Smile questions thread the other day, I was chasing down that VDP quote about the album being a traditional 12 track album with banding.

Turns out it was something supposedly said to a certain now banned member who has been known to fabricate stuff when there was an agenda to be pushed.

I know AGD has a dodgy history, but I believe him on this. The proof's there in the original sessions. Almost every song during the Smile era had some sort of fadeout recorded for it - there are a handful of exceptions, some that can be explained like Fire which was supposedly part of a larger track or Wonderful which potentially would've gotten a tag if it wasn't scrapped and rerecorded (version 2 had one) - but I just don't think an album with this many fades was ever meant to be all or even partially linked together BWPS or Song Cycle style. Super abrupt intros with the vocals starting right away and elaborate fadeouts were like, two of Brian's big consistent songwriting things for Smile and neither would permit segues. They even had to loop instrumental bars on TSS to make the start of Wind Chimes and Vega-Tables work.

Brian never did anything like it on a Beach Boys album before or after, and we probably wouldn't be thinking about Smile in terms of crossfades or link tracks at all if not for Domenic Priore's misguided theories based on limited bootleg information that subsequently fed into Darian influencing BWPS (helps that it fit a live performance like a glove). In 1966/1967, Brian wasn't doing fragments, he was doing songs.

Yes, and if you look at my track list you'll see it reflects the fades. Lets take the Synphony description at face value. I think there woukd have been a series of movements.

Stop, stop, stop it with all this sequencing nonsense, nobody cares....

Are you having a moment of  sincerity and self honesty? 

Prayer into Vibes, just as was originally intended. Sonically, harmonically, it just works.

I always thought that Prayer was superceded as 'intro to the album' later, when Brian decided to open the album with H&V instead.  He then recorded You're Welcome as the new intro.

So Prayer could have opened side 2.

Not sure about your I Ran folowing GV. I have it on good authority (from Darian), that the Wonderful / I Ran edit, and Barnyard / Old Master Painter edit are vintage ideas. He said Brian just slotted those bits together without a thought.

Other possible vintage edits are Bridge To Indians into Worms.

Regarding banding, I think there would have been some, but there woukd have also been some long sequences containing several songs / sections.. In my Smile questions thread the other day, I was chasing down that VDP quote about the album being a traditional 12 track album with banding.

Turns out it was something supposedly said to a certain now banned member who has been known to fabricate stuff when there was an agenda to be pushed.

So I would offer Brian this.....

Numbers to indicate banding

Side 1

1) You're Welcome
     Heroes and Villians part I (following Durrie Parks acetate description into..)
     I'm In Great Shape (followed by 3 score and 5 into.....)
     Barnyard
     Old Master Painter
     Sunsine

 2) H&V part II
        (starting with piano Bicycle Rider theme, various part II sections plus Cantina. Ends wiith Prelude to fade.
          Solo trombone into Bridge To Indians)
      Do you Like Worms

3) Cabinessence

Side 2

1) Prayer (no edit)
     GV

2) Wonderful
     I Ran

3) Elements
    (VegaTables)
    (Holidays)
    (Wind Chimes)
    (O Learys Cow with Friday Night)

4) Child Is Father
     Surfs Up

He's as consistent in his views as OSD. I enjoy both their posts.

Maybe she just doesn't like the Beatles.

Thank you. Brilliant. I shall peruse that now.

Yup, sunshine pop was a musical dead end, kinda like the blues was.  Or in fact anything.  In the long run, as the "great" economist Keynes said, we are all dead....

How the hell was blues even remotely a musical dead end?

I think you just fell down the sar-chasm

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sarchasm

So ... what this has to do with Dennis, the gods know. In my opinion someone here tries to make a very cheap method of making money. The songs do not please me at all and have not the least in common with Dennis' way. The voice of the singer is uninteresting and goes not under the skin as  Dennis´.

And the cover version of Cuddle up has a wrong chord, is cheap and uninspired, sorry.

The only nice thing is the record cover - and this is a cheat pack !!!

I need to write more of my posts using Google translate.

Stop my son. That is not the Dennis way.

Thanks,  but can't find it in anything attributed to Vosse.

Can anyone help wit the VDP quote, where he said Smile was intended as a traditional 12 track album?

We can start pre-Elvis too; that's fine. The same holds true if we go back that far as well.

Now who's posting drunk?

[in terms of the *big picture*, there was the Beatles and then *everything else.*]

Objectively speaking, I would say even all of the Beach Boys themselves, barring possibly Mike Love (and probably even him) would have no problem telling you that in terms of the *big picture*, there was the Beatles and then *everything else.*

Only if you were blinkered enough to think popular culture only began with Heartbreak Hotel.

But my OP was tongue in cheek, albeit from the heart. Bit of drunken poetry. All mates together, so to speak.

There are a pattern to these Friday night posts you know.

Expect more later

I'm doing a masters at the moment, and am getting a short presentation about the myth of Smile together.

Now I have all my books out, and I'm desperate to find where the idea first surfaced that Smile was to be edited together with no banding, i.e, no gaps between cuts. The earlist mention I can find is in the Todd Gold book, not the most reliable of sources.

"The whole album is going to be a far out trip through the old west. Real Americana. But with lots of intersting humour. There's even going to be talking and laughing between cuts"


My memory is not what it is. I'm sure prior to 91, it was generally accepted that Smile was going to be edited into a continous 2 sided work. This of course was reflected in the 2004 performance  and subsequent recording . Does this idea date back to Look Listen Vibrate Smile? I dont have this book at to hand at present.

My main objective is to show how the mythology possibly influenced Wilson, Parks and Sahanaja in 2004 when assembling Smile for performance.

I'm also tryjng to chase up the VDP quote about Smile being originally envisaged as a conventional 12 track album with banding.


By the way, if this thread turns into a discussion about the banding / no banding issue, I'm happy with that, as it's always an interesting subject. My main priority though is chasing down these quotes / ideas to their original source.

Can anyone help?