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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Random question about Wake the World on: March 27, 2020, 08:21:58 AM
This one got asked in the random questions thread by me earlier... I copy some conclusions from there

In Wake The World, what is the sound that goes of at 0:24? It sounds a bit like when swords are drawn in movies, but I cant figure out what it is!

I asked that once, maybe in the early days of this board. As I recall, S. Desper said it was string noise. (I thought it sounded like something sliding across a music stand, e.g., a pen or pencil.) I still have my doubts.

This is what Reverend Joshua Sloane said about it 12 years ago: "To say that [BW] rushed recordings is false and too presumptuous for the info we have of the sessions. These sessions had engineers most of the time, an engineer wouldn't let obtrusive noises fly unless it was okay'd by the producer. The "curtain closing" noise in Wake The World is just too perfectly placed to be mistake. I bet that Brian was searching for a sound to imitate the pulling of curtains."

Source: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,1820.msg38083.html#msg38083

It makes perfect sense (to me anyway). Although perhaps it's more of a "curtain opening" noise.

As far as random noises and the notion of Brian "rushing" recordings, there was in the 60's a certain niche of recordings that deliberately left in studio noises, or suggested the feel of a live catch-all atmosphere on the records. It's a small niche that doesn't get discussed as much today as a sub-genre, but there were a bunch of hit records in the early 60's that were going for the vibe of capturing a house party or a frat party or whatever you want to call it. One of the biggest is of course Louie Louie, but there were also ones like Double Shot of My Baby's Love which sounds like a frat party singalong with random voices joining in to sing. It's a pretty cool sound. Definitely not clean and polished, but that was the vibe.

So factor that in when the topic of 'Beach Boys Party!' comes up, and it's a direct line of influence. Capture the vibe of a party singalong...Boom, there is the concept. But it was not a new concept.

Then factor in that Rubber Soul was released about a month after Party!, and on the US Capitol pressing that Brian would have heard, they put (against McCartney's wishes) a version of "I'm Looking Through You" that had McCartney blowing numerous takes before starting the actual tune...I can see where McCartney would be upset, but maybe to Brian's ears it lent more to his impression that the whole album was "a gas", as in the listener got to hear this audio verite kind of vibe where Paul had several false starts on a song. It felt perhaps more human, more real to leave that kind of thing in there rather than trim it. Whether Capitol did it without the band's approval is one thing, but Brian and others hearing that on a Beatles record could have sparked some inspiration.

And that's where I think some of the more stray sounds that showed up on Pet Sounds were left on Pet Sounds. We can argue all day about whether those sounds were an aesthetic choice, a matter-of-fact owing to the limitations of the technology, or Brian being sloppy and rushing a mix, but those found sounds and audio verite vibe does add something to the overall feel of those tracks. It inspired other artists to do the same thing.

You really, and I mean REALLY hear it come out on Smiley Smile, almost to a fault...yet, it had that same vibe as all those frat-house records from the early 60's, only with different methods of inebriation.  Grin

I think the subjects that you're bringing up from this question is really interesting. Wether the noise is intentional or not, I'm certain it's intentional. If you're listening closely, you can hear how they're "getting ready" for the sound the second before it comes. The explanation of curtains closing is the most reasonable one
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favourite, least favourite, overrated, and underrated Beach Boys album on: March 27, 2020, 08:14:12 AM
Favorite: The Beach Boys Love You

Least Favorite: There's a lot I haven't listened to (for a reason). I would say Stars&Stripes or SIP.

Overrated: 20/20

Underrated: The Beach Boys' Party! (With 15 big ones as a close contender)
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What's your favorite solo song from each Beach Boy? on: December 16, 2019, 03:49:44 PM
Brian:
Little Children
Melt Away
Rio Grande
(They all take me to a special place)


Dennis:
Sound of free
Dreamer
(I really really REALLY prefer what he made and released with The Beach Boys)


Mike:
Reason For the Season
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The \ on: November 27, 2019, 01:09:11 AM
Hi!

On our Swedish facebook fan-page, two of us have recognized two times when the younger Brian sounded like or reminded of his older voice.

In Hawaii -67, he sounded -exactly- like he does nowadays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZCnThN2tQ&fbclid=IwAR348x-EEcZ2Eip1-ikLjcypeoycMAZJ2kvR20_mNY4CBrtSxn9zL_3098A
(In just the first seven words: "I've been in this town so long")

Do you guys know any other examples?


I always thought thatīs Al singing H&V??


According to sudsutcliffe:
"[...]trip to Hawaii in 1967, the last time Brian performed live for several years and the only occasion where he sang 'Heroes And Villains' in concert with his [immaculate] voice."
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The \ on: November 23, 2019, 10:46:53 AM
The other example that was made in our group was their cover of "There's No Other Like My Baby"

You'll hear it at 0:46
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The \ on: November 23, 2019, 10:40:25 AM
There's that one point in "He Come Down" where he has some of that 15 Big Ones rasp. Does that count as  his"early Brian voice" period, since that's already from the early '70s?



Hi! "Old Brian Voice" on his younger recordings

On our Swedish facebook fan-page, two of us have recognized two times when the younger Brian sounded like or reminded of his older voice.

In Hawaii -67, he sounded -exactly- like he does nowadays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZCnThN2tQ&fbclid=IwAR348x-EEcZ2Eip1-ikLjcypeoycMAZJ2kvR20_mNY4CBrtSxn9zL_3098A
(In just the first seven words: "I've been in this town so long")

Do you guys know any other examples?


I love threads like this.

I do hear what you're referring to on this recording. It's kinda of eerie.

I'm pretty sure I have a few other examples tucked away in my memories, but the only one that comes to mind at the moment is the "Don't Talk" a capella unused intro (wall of Brians) sounding relatively similar to the wall of Brians on "One For The Boys".  Maybe that's an easy one just because it's wordless, and not specific vocal phrasings which changed a lot over the years with his voice on actual sung words.

I'll try to think of other examples because I know I have a few.

Are you guys able to pinpoint exactly where this occurs? This sounds exiting
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The "Old Brian Voice" on his younger recordings on: November 22, 2019, 04:26:22 AM
Hi!

On our Swedish facebook fan-page, two of us have recognized two times when the younger Brian sounded like or reminded of his older voice.

In Hawaii -67, he sounded -exactly- like he does nowadays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZCnThN2tQ&fbclid=IwAR348x-EEcZ2Eip1-ikLjcypeoycMAZJ2kvR20_mNY4CBrtSxn9zL_3098A
(In just the first seven words: "I've been in this town so long")

Do you guys know any other examples?
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definitive Smiley Smile Message Board's Song Ranking - Ranking Process on: September 22, 2019, 01:30:00 PM
The results of 2019's recalculation are here!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definitive SSMB's Studio Album Ranking - Ranking Process on: September 22, 2019, 01:29:15 PM
The results of 2019's recalculation are here!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Definitive Smiley Smile Message Board's Song & Album Rankings - Results on: September 22, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
The new results of 2019 are here!

Holland got close to grab Summer Days 10th place this year (Only 1 point away!).
File Attached shows you what difference the new people did in points (not including how earlier posters edit their list)
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: September 19, 2019, 01:43:31 PM
Hi! I listened to the stereo remix of side 1 you made. While it was interesting in some parts, especially when I was able to hear some new details, there were some wierd sound effects (i.e.Carls voice in Cabinessence almost sounds like the duophonic sound) here and there that made the listening experience so-so. The mixing was O.K. The part before Vegetables and the song itself was wonderful in stereo though

I really prefer your mono mix, it's kind of this continous listening experience of SMiLE that I really wished (and believe) SMiLE was supposed to be, but without the messy parts in the stereo part.

I have to be clear though, I still listen to the mono-mix. Quite often actually. I'm really thankful that you gave this contribution to all of us!
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys on: July 22, 2019, 04:38:47 AM

The drum on "Let's Go Away for Awhile" goes twice as fast as it should be between 0:16-0:27 and 0:45-0:58

Do you have any?

Does it? It doesn't change from what it was doing before...

You're completely right about that... I must change that into "in my opinion"
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys on: July 21, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
We all have some Pet Peeves! And even though the beach boys has their moments (which is quite alot), there must be some times when you react over some small (but significant) things in their songs.

I only had one in mind making this thread:
IMO - The drum on "Let's Go Away for Awhile" goes twice as fast as it should be between 0:16-0:27 and 0:45-0:58.

Do you have any?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Voice of Al Jardine on: April 06, 2019, 06:09:03 AM
Let's not forget how alike Brian and Al sounds on ADITLOAT! The discussion I saw here on which one of 'em that really sung the last "Oh lord I lay me down"-part really blew my mind. I remember how the way Al sung "Brances" made it more clear it was him. Without that one, it would be next to impossible!
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 31, 2019, 05:37:13 AM
I've been listening to this mix a couple of times lately, and I got to say, I love this. Even though SMiLE was far from done the period in you've chosen, this would be one of the best and well made mixes they could've done if they were made to release what they've gathered so far.

I REALLY love the skits, that you actually made them fit so well into this. I also love the H&V-DYLW-CE mix you did. It actually sound reasonable! It flows into eachother so well. This would indeed make the WH we know a logical successor.

This gives a stronger "album-feel" than what the SMiLE Session provides IMO. Cudos! As with the others, I would also love a FLAC of this.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Wata the f***? on: December 30, 2018, 11:06:59 AM
I'll add links to the 'ranking process' threads to the result page
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 07, 2018, 04:21:00 AM
I twirling around wherever I am! Im truly lucky to be able to live in this second golden age of the beach boys. I'll always be thankful to all of you guys in the forums, if it wasnt for you and everyone's enthustiasm, these wonderful guys who made this possibly might've not done it in the beginning.

The early version of All I Wanna Do had me in tears. I thought I would never be able to hear this piece of art only a few before have been able to hear, yet here I Am. It was better than I could imagine

"Be Here in The Morning Darling"'s start is very, very alike "Polytheme Pam"'s start. This got me startled.

Even Steven is so groovy! Is it wrong to call it a samba-version of this (otherwise) Bosa-Nova song?

Even though it was pleasant to hear the lyrics to Passing By sung by Brian, they made the right decission to leave em out.

Do It Again got their best stereo-version right here

The only thing that I got a bit disappointed by was that the "original" version of Walk on by, released on the 2-fer, didn't quite see the light in here as well. It was a pleasure to here the new mix, but I'd really want the "original" in spotify.

Doesn't stop me to really live in this moment though! Again, I cant articulate how meaningful this is.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / 'Rank the Tracks' / Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You on: November 18, 2018, 03:55:14 PM
1. I'll Bet He's Nice
2. Airplane
3. Johnny Carson
4. The Night Was so Young
5. Let Us Go on this Way
6. Mona
7. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
8. Roller Skating Child
9. Honkin' Down the Highway
10. Good Time
11. I'd Love to Pick You Up
12. Ding Dang
13. Love Is a Woman
14. Solar System
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I heard \ on: September 24, 2018, 05:21:23 AM
Last summer, I was lucky to hear Sail On Sailor in a hotel lobby in SF. I couldn't manage my excitement discreetly  Cheesy
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Song & Album Rankings - Results on: September 18, 2018, 12:30:23 AM
Wrong post
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Song & Album Rankings - Results on: September 16, 2018, 02:35:08 PM

Quote
Smiley Smile Message Board's Top 10 Albums - This will be released 15/9
Nice to see smb. write date like that, it isn't super-weird 9/15. As if the day will be 9th Fiftenber.
Hey, everybody who's here must not be American! Isn't that how most countries write it?

Some thoughts:
It was sad to see that Funky Pretty and My Diane only got to recieve 1 point. Especially considering My Diane, thinking about how people tend to praise it
In the same thing that MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm spoke about: It's worth mentioning that Kokomo didn't recieve a single point  LOL
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Definitive Smiley Smile Message Board's Song & Album Rankings - Results on: September 16, 2018, 07:02:01 AM
The Album Results are here!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: August 30, 2018, 07:08:01 AM
Sweet little song. I do not share the hype for this song as other appears to have though
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Definitive Smiley Smile Message Board's Song & Album Rankings - Results on: August 24, 2018, 05:37:21 AM
Hi everybody! 2019's results are here:
(Rank-difference in parenthesis)
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Smiley Smile Message Board's Top 10 Songs:
1. Surf's Up - 268 Points (-)
2. God Only Knows - 212 Points (-)
3. Good Vibrations - 192 Points (-)
4. 'Til I Die - 185 Points (-)
5. Wouldn't It Be Nice - 172 Points (-)
6. This Whole World - 119 Points (-)
7. Cabin Essence - 105 Points (+1)
8. All I Wanna Do - 94 Points (-1)
9. Please Let Me Wonder - 93 Points (+1)
10. I Just Wasn't Made For These Times - 91 Points (-1)
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Smiley Smile Message Board's Top 10 Albums:
1. Pet Sounds - 467 Points (-)
2. The SMiLE Sessions - 317 Points (-)
3. Sunflower - 311 Points (-)
4. The Beach Boys Today! - 248 Points (-)
5. Wild Honey - 213 Points (+1)
6. Friends - 205 Points (-1)
7. Surf's Up - 202 Points (-)
8. The Beach Boys Love You - 160 Points (-)
9. Smiley Smile - 144 Points (-)
10. Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) - 118 Points (-)
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
In this spreadsheet, you're able to have a complete view of how the points were given, earlier rankings, and how the work proceeded:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yqIdZhZRxf8kZZO2F48iE1jIRzkoAK5Ainqvn2aD2OM/edit?usp=sharing


You're still able to add or edit your lists 'til next years results on:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,26075.0.html (Albums)
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,26041.0.html (Songs)

Feel free to discuss and comment!
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Studio Album Ranking - Ranking Process on: August 15, 2018, 02:49:43 PM
1. Pet Sounds
2. The SMiLE Sessions
3. The Beach Boys Love You
4. Friends
5. Surf's Up
6. Sunflower
7. Smiley Smile
8. Holland
9. Beach Boys Party!
10. The Beach Boys Today!
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