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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much of Smiley Smile was really recorded at Brian's home? on: September 26, 2017, 01:15:29 AM
Except GV and HV, these tracks were recorded in Brian's home studio I think, tracks like Little Pad or Gettin' Hungry, they sounds "flat" with no reverb.
By the way, I suppose some sessions/tracks/part-of-tracks were taken from the original smile studio tapes and then rearranged.

Wild Honey is mostly from Brian's home in Bel Air, that's why it's consiered a lo-fi album. They wanted to bring back the mood of that specific period, that is to be united around Brian at home; to me, a clear example of that "mood" is the cover of the album who is a part of Brian's window.
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: = Playback = on: September 25, 2017, 06:17:19 AM
I bought the CD version and the LP.
LP is ok, but sadly I have to notice that the CD version looks very cheap, low quality made package. It would have been more appreciated if it could have had a fuller booklet also.

Anyway I hope they'll continue to release material.
Smiley
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 25, 2017, 12:30:50 AM
I think this is a big step forward for our research, thanks!
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Master Reel Control File on: September 22, 2017, 11:04:44 AM
Hello I’m very interested in reels tapes!
After many researches, i was wondering if the Master Reel control file sheet was white or yellow, i found both images with different colored pencils over it. Was there a standard in compiling it? I saw labels from Western Recorders and Sunset Sound. Gold Star was white i suppose. What about Columbia Recorders?

Plus, does BB record only on Scotch 3M reels or other labels also?
Thanks
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 22, 2017, 08:22:59 AM
There is a Robert Rolle from St. Paul Minnesota on Facebook.. who is interested in "Sony MDR-V6 Studio Monitor Headphone"...
He looks 70s or something...

This is quite interesting!

PS. We need to hire Robert Langdon to investigate!! :D
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 22, 2017, 06:42:56 AM
Ah, my favorite topic Smiley

... after much debate (mainly with myself), my best guess is that this was some kind of "safety of safety" copies archive, stored privately (legit like someone's basement or something), dating from some time in 1973. Even though all of the pieces of the puzzle don't quite add up, the main elements that made me come to that conclusion are the  tapes that appear to be related to the "In Concert" album-in-progress.

Another factor is the "Bellagio" label -- sounds kinda insider-ish for circa '73. And since the original Polaroid was in Ed Roach's possession, its likely an old picture.

I like the "safety of safety" theory!
The tape near "Brian/Dumb Angel" should be "Wouldn't it be nice", but I' can't decode the one near LDC.

Btw I found some interesting tapes images on internet, fyi:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb8JP30WEAEddzk.jpg
https://i2.wp.com/www.laneuronaatenta.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/cinta-master-here-today-pet-sounds-the-beach-boys.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm9FG1tVUAE59sw.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm9FlKnVUAEHB7E.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm9EtB5UsAAFawF.jpg
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 21, 2017, 12:31:21 PM
the upper rack seems to be straight LP releases.  there're two concert ones and i'll assume one is live in London.  strange stack-o-tracks isn't represented there

the lower rack has the weirder titling i.e., one tape is add some music but there's another called sunflower (we know the historic reason for this).  but I maintain it doesn't have to make sense, a fan is just goofing around and creating intriguing though ultimately false tape appearances, having seen as I say a photo of the real mc-coy containing numerous odd (to us) titlings (among the familiar) a knowledgeable fan could guess at

If you look on the right of the picture you can see a termomether... maybe to keep the correct temperature. If this is a fan made we are talking about serious stuff... i really don’t know what to think about it but I like wondering somewhere this shelf really exist with legit tapes that have not surfaced yet.

I also was wondering, where does a bootleg come from? Think about the notorious sea of tunes series.. those tracks were taken from original master or something very close to the originals, maybe copies that could be stored in a shelf like this one... who knows

The thermometer may be for keeping the temperature if it is indeed a fan-made setup. But as was pointed out in that old thread, it seems like a cheapo thermometer that doesn't indicate a pro setup (and it's debatable whether a legit tape room would have been kept strictly temperature controlled in the early-mid 70s).

Any relation to the SOT material was pretty roundly debunked in that old thread. The pic shows mostly released albums, and shows little to nothing that surfaced on the SOT discs. Also, as indicated in that old thread, the theory is that the SOT material was not copied via open reel analog tape, but rather another format, and was probably done later than the early-mid 70s.

I think that old thread generally seemed to indicate that if we assume this set up is a fan-made thing, it wasn't intended as a "hoax" as such, because I think a hoax meant to keep fan mouths watering would have not depicted mostly stock run of the mill albums with only a smattering of potential "outtakes."

This should be Capitol vault BB section https://twitter.com/GeorgErgatoudis/status/452841662679486464/photo/1
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 21, 2017, 12:17:44 PM
the upper rack seems to be straight LP releases.  there're two concert ones and i'll assume one is live in London.  strange stack-o-tracks isn't represented there

the lower rack has the weirder titling i.e., one tape is add some music but there's another called sunflower (we know the historic reason for this).  but I maintain it doesn't have to make sense, a fan is just goofing around and creating intriguing though ultimately false tape appearances, having seen as I say a photo of the real mc-coy containing numerous odd (to us) titlings (among the familiar) a knowledgeable fan could guess at

If you look on the right of the picture you can see a termomether... maybe to keep the correct temperature. If this is a fan made we are talking about serious stuff... i really don’t know what to think about it but I like wondering somewhere this shelf really exist with legit tapes that have not surfaced yet.

I also was wondering, where does a bootleg come from? Think about the notorious sea of tunes series.. those tracks were taken from original master or something very close to the originals, maybe copies that could be stored in a shelf like this one... who knows
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 21, 2017, 08:18:19 AM
Here's the pic

COMMENT to Vale:

As the person who actually labeled many of the multi-track (1" and 2") and the stereo master tapes (1/4") represented in this photo, I can tell you without any doubt that this photo is the work of a fan. Perhaps the boxes are full of tapes, copied from LPs or CDs -- who knows. That fact that much of the labeling is lined up indicates that the collection was labeled with one discipline in mind, which is not the case in real studio life. Holland, Surf's Up and Sunflower were never on 1" tape as shown in the photo. Evidently this collection is the work of someone named Paul Bramsem, or so says the sign to the right of the tapes.
~swd

WOW! Finally saw the pic!
Thanks Stephen for the answer, it's really an honor! The age of the photo still remains mysterious, though; because if it's from the 70s how many would have known about Dumb Angel? If it's rather recent instead, i can understand especially with the internet boom in the mid 90s.
Maybe it's really a fan-made.. looking at the photo it seems they were labeled the same day, with the same pen, with the same hand ..., too much order.
Smiley
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 21, 2017, 07:28:55 AM
Yesterday I went back and read the 2011 thread on this. Even after contacting a few associates who might have some insight (David Sandler, etc.), it didn't appear that any conclusions were reached.

It was quite an interesting thread, bobbing and weaving through potential photo doctoring, an "empty tape boxes" theory, a "crazy fan" theory, a less inflammatory "devoted fan" theory, the "random guys in St. Paul ran into the BBs and somehow procured some tapes" theory, a "doesn't matter what Desper, Mankey, etc. say, I think these are legit vintage BB tapes" theory, and so on.

If it was/is a fan simply goofing around (either for their own amusement or as a "hoax"), it required a fan with not only some specialized BB knowledge, but also access to materials beyond typical consumer grade, such as 1/2 inch tape. It's a fun mystery. Commercially released 1/4 inch open reel album releases suggest just a fan. Notations like "St. Paul Remote" suggest a legit tape. Then there's the mixed possibilities. Legit tapes in a legit facility. Legit tapes in the hands of fans/collectors. Fake tapes in the hands of innocent collectors/fans. Fake tapes in the hands of a fan looking to perpetrate a hoax. Then there's the issue of the vintage of the photo. The older it is (e.g. the early-mid 70s), the less likely in my mind that it's a hoax, as the earlier time frame requires specialized knowledge where there was limited access back in the day, and the smaller the "audience" would be for such a hoax. If some nerd fan doctored this all up in the late 90s or early 2000s, then it would make a lot more sense in terms of their easier access to info, and a much larger potential audience.

Frankly, the story is just as interesting (or nearly, anyway) to me even if it's a 100% hoax.

I agree with you, it's a really interesting story. I think that at some point of their career Brian and the BB were not in complete control of their material, I mean by the ending of 60s until mid 70s. So maybe these tapes are copies made by BB friends at that time or simply original tapes. It really is a mystery.
I'm obsessed with these stuff because I'm trying to recreate the same reel tape box from Scotch 3M in cd digipack (with slipcase) format for my personal collection, really detailed with the master reel control file sheet and everything. That's why I'm trying to collect all the images about Scotch reels. I've been working on it for so many years, it's my version of SMiLE, a never ending project close to pefection.
I would love to pass it on to my son.

So, the crazy fan hypothesis is not so remote, btw.
Vale, Italy
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which is better: That Lucky Old Sun or That's Why God Made the Radio? on: September 21, 2017, 07:09:58 AM
I think that TWGMTR is a very good album because we have to consider the age of the BB. Mike and Al voices are almost the same, and Brian.. you know it's always Brian. Al's voice is a focal point in BB albums, if you listen to it without knowing it's from 2012, it seems to have come out by the late 70's, especially in some songs. I love the sound of this album.
This is just my opinion from Italy Smiley
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 21, 2017, 06:40:56 AM
Here's the pic

Sorry but I can't see no picture here

EDITED: I saw it, my browser was blocking it :D thanks!!
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 21, 2017, 06:40:07 AM
This is presumably talking about the mysterious pic of debatable veracity, depicting an unknown tape archive full of tapes that are apparently not in the BRI vaults, correct? The yellow labels with weird titles like "Bellagio" and "Dumb Angel" and "St. Paul Remote", etc.?

The pic does weirdly now seem to be hard to find. All of the links to it in old threads here appear to be dead. So I'd love to see the pic again if someone has it. I'm sure someone snagged it and saved it.

It appears there was some intense debate/research regarding the pic back in 2011 here, but no firm conclusions were reached.

I have a vague recollection that Ed Roach posted the pic in the last year or two on his Facebook page, and/or shared someone else's post of the pic.

Yes that's exactly the picture I'm talking about! I searched the picture on Ed's Fb page also but it's not there.
This picture is becoming an obsession for me! :D
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 20, 2017, 05:20:25 AM
Hello everybody
can someone posts images about Beach Boys reel tapes archives? It would be nice to have a thread about these pictures. I'm a huge fan of the BB and I would love to see those pics.

PS. I once saw the famous pictures about Ed Roach but I can't find them anywhere. I tried different search engines with advanced search options, I remember the two files were named "shelf.jpg" ang "library.jpg".
Vale
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Mystery on: September 04, 2017, 05:25:27 AM
Hello, can anyone please re-upload the two images of the mysterious tapes library? I once owned both on my old pc and I lost them. Plus, on the net they are not available anywhere!
Thanks in advance
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Hello from Italy! on: November 07, 2016, 01:20:15 PM
Yes that's right... When I listen to those tracks it's like to be in another dimension, another level.. It's hard to explain if you don't know the Beach Boys story...
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson questions on: November 06, 2016, 04:56:35 AM
Dennis IS my favourite BB.
I knew it was programmed a biopic but the project was aborted.
I hope this doc will see daylight.

Vale
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 5 Years Ago - \ on: November 06, 2016, 04:26:57 AM
Love the SMiLE Sessions.

I like the sounds in Dada sessions and Tune-X.
Tune-X is very underestimated in my opinion!

Vale
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Hello from Italy! on: November 06, 2016, 02:50:36 AM
Hi everybody!
I'm a big BB fan from Italy!
I've been around this board for a looong time but I became a member only a few days ago!

I think I'm obsessed with the Beach Boys... especially on the SMiLE tracks, I can listen to them for hours!!
Smiley
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