Andrew, I try to remain impartial in all of this, but people like you make it difficult.  As SB just pointed out, just a couple of days ago you had this to say about a *perceived* inaccuracy:

"Now, because I'm a picky SOB, if I'd been daft enough to fly over and make the gig, I'd be suing the collective ass of the venue for lying in the write up. Tracks from his new album ? I don't see any. Do you ?

False advertising, sirrah. False advertising, and I will have satisfaction."

Quite a rant, suing, lying false advertising, etc.  But that was about a Brian Wilson show.  Now that it is a Mike Love show, no big deal, it happens...and Mike is an angel, he will take care of it in short order.  As you seem to be the primary defender of Mike on the board, the double standard makes it tough to take seriously.

Different situations - the Brian thing was me being an ass and going off on one over the wrong gig, which I admitted and apologised for (and for which I was rightly ragged in PMs... and note, I didn't ream Brian's people a new one for false advertising, but the venue)... the M&B thing is the usual suspects here straining to find something new bad to say today. Yes, the adverts are misrepresentative, but I know how BRI M&B promo works, and this is down to the venue, and will be rectified soon, as will any other such incidents if brought to their attention. Again, approved promo material is sent to the venue, which includes non-C50 photos. If someone deviates from that, that's down to them, not BRI.

So, thanks for finding these things and posting them here, as it makes it much easier to fix them.  

Andrew, that's good it's being fixed. I chimed in because it seemed unusual to have a specific tour now over two years old still showing up and being used for promoting concerts scheduled for 2015. Something in the process was either broken or wasn't being done to correctly promote those shows, hopefully it will be fixed from this point onward, benefit all around.

That one contract page which Smoking Gun had posted seemed to suggest such advertising/promotional material had to be approved prior to it being released by the "purchaser" as named in the contract (purchaser covering all those contracting the band to play the show, I assume), so there seemed to be a disconnect between that contract and what was going on with these mislabeled show ads and related photos and other materials. I'm assuming that element of the contract would still be in effect in a current agreement, it's pretty standard in concert promotions and booking in general to give the management and production of the act control over the names and imagery used to promote their shows, so I think it's a question of what is happening to have these continuing to slip through the cracks, especially if it is in a contract agreement?

Side note: Just to remove any doubt, that page linked to in this thread on Smoking Gun is something from the post-Carl touring era, more relevant to the present structure than "25 years old" or whatever some were suggesting. Those saying otherwise are not correct, or perhaps aren't aware of the various elements in that contract. But just to clarify/confirm, a contract with that specific wording would not have existed when Carl was still touring with the band. Which is why it was relevant to those asking how these billings were continuing to happen.

Side note 2: I checked out the Ryman press release at the link, and this stood out "In 1974 Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world."

I had assumed (based a lot on what Mike described in his 1992 Goldmine interview) that Capitol had the collection ready to release as "Greatest Hits" volume whatever, as the Beach Boys were signed to Reprise at that time. Then Mike suggested they call it "Endless Summer", which paid off for all involved. But I'm curious how a Capitol plan to release another Greatest Hits followed by a title change suggested by Mike is reported as Mike's concept album, is there more to the story? The concept was already in place (greatest hits) at Capitol, Mike offered the name, I'm wondering how that gets reported as his concept album?

Is there any possible limit to Mike related nitpicking?

Sure, calling Endless Summer a concept album might be a stretch, but the concept is somewhat there in that the album has a "title" beyond "Greatest Hits" which suggests a feeling/ethos/lifestyle (and a demonstratably powerful one, at that) which the music, split into 4 conceptual sides, "surf, cars, girls" etc, compliments.... No one said it was the next Tommy or anything.

I think GF needs to be put into 24/7 "Landy-style" care running up to (and beyond) Mike's book release.

I would think Dennis and Mike had some respect for each other's talent and so they collaborated with each other. And don't forget Dennis had Mike do the vocal on "All I Want to Do," even though it would have suited Dennis well, too. Af course, Dennis chose to handle the tag on that one.  

"Sound of Free" was released in Europe only, right? It's too bad it didn't come out in the U.S. (before Made in California). Obviously I'm a big fan of the song.

As for their personal relationships, I have to think that up until the airport tarmac blowup in 1977 that there were still good moments. The  Timothy White book describes a 1976 session where Brian (and presumably Timothy White) walked in on a very friendly conversation between Dennis, Mike and Stan. That's where Dennis said how much he loved "The Wiz" on Broadway.

If I'm not mistaken,  Dennis collaborated with Mike more than any other Beach Boy!

He collaborated with Carl more than any other Beach Boy. Dennis' co-writing credits with Carl include...Friends, When A Man Needs A Woman, It's About Time, Barnyard Blues, River Song, Rainbows...and some would add Holy Man. Wirestone is right that he also collaborated with Brian quite a bit, but in a different way.

Jon - by chance, is anything known about what Dennis' songwriting contributions were to the songs Friends and When A Man Needs A Woman? Wondering if its known if his contributions went beyond writing drum parts on those tunes.

I'd never heard that his co-credits on the Friends songs had to do with drum parts. With the song Friends i know he contributed to the vocal arrangement and I'd bet it was the buildup aaaaaahhhhhhh, but I have no specifics on either. It would be a great thing to learn about, but I've found that when you ask Al he doesn't remember, Brian might.

Isnt that Jim Gordon on drums for Friends?

My guess (and this is just a guess) is that Dennis and Carl just leaned in and came up with their own harmony parts for the song as Brian banged it out on the piano.

50 Years of I'm Bugged at my old man

"20 Years Of Summer Of Love"

"47 Years Of Bruce"

I would think Dennis and Mike had some respect for each other's talent and so they collaborated with each other. And don't forget Dennis had Mike do the vocal on "All I Want to Do," even though it would have suited Dennis well, too. Af course, Dennis chose to handle the tag on that one. 

"Sound of Free" was released in Europe only, right? It's too bad it didn't come out in the U.S. (before Made in California). Obviously I'm a big fan of the song.

As for their personal relationships, I have to think that up until the airport tarmac blowup in 1977 that there were still good moments. The  Timothy White book describes a 1976 session where Brian (and presumably Timothy White) walked in on a very friendly conversation between Dennis, Mike and Stan. That's where Dennis said how much he loved "The Wiz" on Broadway.

Can you imagine what the Beach Boys universe would look like if Mike had handled the "All I Want To Do" tag

I think it was an image thing..... Even if they WERE basically an oldies act at that time, best not to rub it in with the public and media ..... The Beach Boys have been straddling that weird line since, what, 1966?

That demand certainly puts a dent in the Mike-controlled-shameless-oldies-nostalgia-act accusation.

Rock Stars have tour riders...

Who cares....

I'd like to hear someone ask…

"So Mike, apart from some flash in the pan Kokomo, the Beach Boys didn't really have a hit new record in all the years between the Brian-produced Rock and Roll Music single in 1976 and the album TWGMTR in 2012.  You musta really missed Cousinn Brian during those 36 years…?"

Just to be nitpicking, I think that "Come go with me" "Wipe out" (he'd surely mention this) and "Getcha back" all were quite succesfull, of course not in the "Kokomo" way. And none of them had very much Brian involvement.

I never listen to it, but isn't Brian probably the most prominent BB on "Wipe Out"?

And there was also two other top 40 hits, "It's OK" and "Good Timin'", both written by Brian.

And arguably "Getcha Back" was a hit in part to Brian's classic vocals on it. So yeah.

It's OK: co-written by Mike

Good Timin: co-written by Carl

..... for accuracy's sake.

Guy camera right is clearly Bruce

Yeah, but we're talking about The Beach Boys: a rock band ......

I once went and saw WAR, I don't remember when, and was very sad and disappointed to discover it was only Lonnie Jordan and a bunch of other guys ..... Not even an Brooth equivalent anywhere on stage.... I was a bit pissed, but ya know, I could have done 5 seconds of Google research beforehand, and it's not like WAR's been anywhere near much media discussion ........ in a few decades at least ..... unlike our Beach Boys ...... But I also understood that Lonnie owns the name and has every right to keep on keeping on however he needs to do it.... Lee Oskar and the rhythm section have always been my favorite WAR members, so it's not like I'm a Lonnie Jordan apologist ..... Life just does what it does sometimes.

I am disappointed to see M&B are using false advertising to promote their show:



Link: https://www.choicesecure03.net/mainapp/eventschedule.aspx?Clientid=Sunrise&prod=3248

The show is sold out - how many people have bought their tickets believing they will see Brian, Al and Dave? Is this M&B's new modus operandi?

Objectively, I have to ask at what point does the grace/forgiveness period on all of this end? The last official 50th Anniversary "C50" show tickets were sold in early Fall 2012, and I'm with you on this one: I'm disappointed to see a show scheduled in 2015 being advertised like this no matter who shoulders the blame for this listing. Again, at what point does this become something beyond a "mistake" or anything of the sort, and start getting scrutinized as it possibly should be? I'll say again, I share the disappointment because there is no rational explanation to have a 2015 show billed as a 50th Anniversary event, no matter who is to blame for the listing reading that way. If it were a 2013 show, I'd be a little more forgiving and chalk it up to someone's legitimate confusion, but 2015?

Using my (admittedly biased toward benefit of doubt) logic: Mike owning the license for the "Beach Boys" name, may also own the license for the C50 logo, therefore he can do whatever he wants with it ..... And generally, I recall most/many/lots of C50 shows were billed using said logo and then listing David,  Mike, Al, Brian, Brooth off to the side in a separate section of the advert, or above or below the logo.... Mike knows any Beach Boys fan likely to give two shites already knows it will just be him and clap-meister, therefore what should he care? .... Yeah, I think it's silly he wouldn't update it to "52 Anniversary Tour" ..... but if it matters so much: ......... Brian has shows coming up and an album coming out, why not focus on that?

It's amazing how much time people devote to discussing individuals whom they despise......

I'm gonna go head over to the nearest Pearl Jam board to bash Eddy Vedder for eternity .......

..... Wait! Why would I waste me time?

I much prefer the alternate mix with Dennis' single tracked vocal. The double tracking on the Today version lessens the immediacy and natural appeal of Dennis' voice IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Q8gMdFgfU

Thank you..... I'd never heard that version ...... The only "flaw" I could ever notice in the album version was not-exactly-perfect double tracking.

I've always loved the song, the track, the playing, Dennis' vocal.....

Let's remember that Brian is a master of sequencing ...... Whatever the song's/track's apparent "weaknesses" are, I think Brian used them to an advantage by placing the song at the very end of an album (well, aside from Bull Session) that ..... for the time especially ..... was something of an emotional drainer (side 2 mainly) ...... Having a spent/desperate/sad/reflective narrator at the helm of the song was a crack decision ...... and Dennis was perfect for that.

I have boot recording of "I've Got A Friend" where Mike introduces it as "one of the best songs I've ever heard in my life"

Sounds extremely resentful to me, huh?

I have it on a mixed live boot CD someone made me years ago ...... Sounds great!

Don't know if I'm allowed to even be mentioning this, but ......

If only "Carry Me Home" was to be included as well......

I saw Ian play at The Mint here in Los Angeles about, eeek, it must have been a mere 3 or 4 months ago.... He put on a fantastic show, was warm, gracious, and told hilarious stories.

Afterward, he hung out with fans out front literally for hours ..... A few people had things for him to sign, but it was more like him just shooting the s*hit and telling more classic stories.

REALLY glad I ventured out that night.

I should mention how young and vibrant he seemed...... So sad :/

It's good but Bruce is way too square for such connotations.

I wonder what lucky fan got to roll Bruce and smoke him that night!

To inject a little levity....

If Brian die-hards are 'Brianistas', Mike die-hards are 'Kokomao-ists', Jardine supporters are 'Jarheads' and David's fans are 'Marks-ists'....what are Bruce's loyal fanbase called?

Don't forget the Carl Marxists?

..... Brucepublicans?

..... Johnsterians?

..... Tight-white-shorts-type-people?

..... Pipeliners?

...... Deirdreans?

...... They-believe-in-love-againers?

...... Disney Girls??

...... Brucifers?

....... Bruce Davidians?

How about Johnstoners? 

It's good but Bruce is way too square for such connotations.

How about Bruceketeers?

Good Timing was tracked, at least basic tracks, earlier than the official album sessions, right?

The basic track was cut in the fall of '74 at Caribou with Brian (keyboard), Carl (guitar), Dennis (drums) and Jim Guercio (bass). Brian and Carl later overdubbed more keyboard and guitar most likely at Brother. A Carl lead vocal and Bruce harmony arrangement, plus Bruce keyboards were added in '78 to create the L.A. Light version. Thanks to C-Man and Jim Guercio for the info.

Thanks! ..... That album is one of my faves, so I love this kind of info.

Beach Boys Britain, I think.

The B B B's

Wasn't Brian in the hospital during the making of basically all of LA?

Good Timing was tracked, at least basic tracks, earlier than the official album sessions, right?

To inject a little levity....

If Brian die-hards are 'Brianistas', Mike die-hards are 'Kokomao-ists', Jardine supporters are 'Jarheads' and David's fans are 'Marks-ists'....what are Bruce's loyal fanbase called?

Don't forget the Carl Marxists?

..... Brucepublicans?

..... Johnsterians?

..... Tight-white-shorts-type-people?

..... Pipeliners?

...... Deirdreans?

...... They-believe-in-love-againers?

...... Disney Girls??

...... Brucifers?

....... Bruce Davidians?

I'll let that pic Swedish Frog's posted speak for me )

I'm also of the mind that when two sides are basically accusing each other of doing the exact same thing ....... both sides are likely right.

I'm heading over to Club Kokomo! Bruce is handing out free Pacificos for the first 10 people at the bar!!

Bruce doesn't hand out free ANYTHING! It's all about the free market baby. Buy your own drinks!

He buys you the first one (well, the club pays) and then 10 beers down the line you realize you're buying them for yourself AND Bruce

Brian Wilson is not a pretty picture when looked into and discussed (nor are The Beach Boys) .... If this is an unacceptable reality, maybe try another idol?

Honest question: I'm not one to *fully* excuse bad behavior on the basis of mental illness, and I am not overly familiar with the full timeline of BB/BW events, but are there any "ugly" aspects of Brian's life/character prior to his known struggles with mental illness?  I get that (street and eventually prescribed) drugs complicated that issue, and I don't excuse anyone for choosing that option (street drugs) in order to deal with problems, but certainly more leniency should be granted to someone

under such circumstances.  So my question is, what sort of ugliness can be attributed to Brian pre-mental health issues?  If there isn't really anything other than the standard human plight, then it would seem odd to compare his faults to Mike's if we are assuming Mike is mentally healthy.  Shouldn't we expect the struggles of a person suffering as Brian has to be greater than someone who is perfectly healthy?  Additionally, Brian carried the weight of writing the hits and keeping the cash cow flowing, no one else in the band knows what it is like to live with that tied around your neck.  I don't mean to give Brian a free pass, and he is accountable for his decisions, but to say "hey, you say bad things about Mike then I'm going to get you back by attacking Brian" isn't only immature, it lacks compassion and borders on cruelty.

I wasn't making any judgements about Brian or accusing him of any ugly behavior... His life has been equal parts tragic and triumphant. No news there.

As for Mike: why on earth should we assume that he is mentally healthy? He's been in THE BEACH BOYS for 50 years!!!!