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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 13, 2015, 06:42:14 PM
You nailed it  EOL. SB stated an opinion period. It was not aimed at a poster, but his opinion of a member of the band which is his right to do so. But because I, SB and others here don't like Mike Love, we have to absorb being labeled mental midgets, shitweasels, and fuckwits. WTF man. Is this the board standard?? I think not but it goes on and personally, I just sit back and consider the source. So, Pinder, since no one has put you in the same category as us, chill out and be content that you remain unscathed by the name callers that we have to put up with.

Nothing to do with actually having an opinion, which is the very lifeblood of this or any other forum, but rather having, essentially the single opinion, or thought, and monotonously expressing same in pretty much every post, irrespective of the topic. I happen to detest a certain, hugely popular song from 1965, and everyone in the BB cosmos knows this... but while I say so every once in a while, that suffices for me. We know you don't like Mike. Time to change the cylinder and play a new tune. If you can. Act like a mental midget, you'll get called one.  Grin


Weak...at best. We've all seen multiple viewings of your condescending behavior on this board. You've opened the gates of Hell for those unfortunate bastards who either offend you or God forbid post something you translate as incorrect. It's as if your experiencing some sort of perverted joy in making people look small and uninformed. Me? I just happen to not like myKe luHv and feeling that way, comment about him. You? Someone, if they gave a sh*t, could take those 15K posts and have a field day plucking out offensive statements that are rude, intimidating, and arrogant (the list goes on) to actual posters who ARE ON THIS BOARD. What an incredible legacy to carry around. Feel proud? Thought so.   Roll Eyes



Ha! And I get threatened with bans for stating a general opinion about some followers (whom I didn't even name) a whopping two times, based upon totality of repetitive posts, yet back n forths like this are fine and dandy?

And I have the nerve to wonder about a possible double-standard type thing?

AGD, you are absolutely correct about opinions and statement of opinion as being the lifeblood of any forum. Amen.

Certain posters might not be liked by the mod(s) but to shut only one of them down is to set a precedent that might not be healthy in the long run.

I was done with this subject, but there was one quarter left in the machine for a bonus round.... Sorry.


And I think consensus is I Just Wasn't Made For These Times or Please Let Me Wonder are the strongest contenders for Brian's greatest ever lead vocal.

I'm glad someone mentioned Games Two Can Play .... I wish he'd done more leads like that around the same time...... Hell, he should have even sung Sail On Sailor!!!!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 12, 2015, 05:09:54 PM
Look man: denying something doesn't make it not real ....

So much for playing it cool. It stops here and now.

I think I'm being pretty reasonable in the questions I'm asking. Reactions to questions/situations can be just as important as the situations/questions themselves.

And please keep in mind: when I say "double standard" I'm not implying some conscious or negative thing, and I should probably find another/better word for it, in fact.

Then what am I denying, and why is it still being brought up? I'll say it again, this could have ended as suggested on page three, but it was escalated to the point of making accusations in a string of posts about a double standard in how the board is run. Now that's become the issue, and I'm not going to be accused of something that's not true and I sure won't be goaded into defending accusations from someone who has already been banned for similar actions in the past, when trying to tell the board "what's true" or what I'm supposedly denying in order to win points in an endless argument.

Again, it ends here. And that is either the third or fourth time that suggestion has been made and ignored.

I'm saying that "double standard" might be too strong a word for what I'm implying, but that what I'm implying still seems to stand.

Anyway, what I am implying should be easy enough to understand and has been fairly articulated. If it is too offensive to actually address, I get it and shall speak of it no more, moving forward.

I think that if a poster feels this way, it should be addressed ..... How are things supposed to get worked out or improved in life if people are afraid to speak up about something? ..... But from here on out, I'm off the subject.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 12, 2015, 05:07:59 PM
Look man: denying something doesn't make it not real ....

So much for playing it cool. It stops here and now.

I think I'm being pretty reasonable in the questions I'm asking. Reactions to questions/situations can be just as important as the situations/questions themselves.

And please keep in mind: when I say "double standard" I'm not implying some conscious or negative thing, and I should probably find another/better word for it, in fact.

Then what am I denying, and why is it still being brought up? I'll say it again, this could have ended as suggested on page three, but it was escalated to the point of making accusations in a string of posts about a double standard in how the board is run. Now that's become the issue, and I'm not going to be accused of something that's not true and I sure won't be goaded into defending accusations from someone who has already been banned for similar actions in the past, when trying to tell the board "what's true" or what I'm supposedly denying in order to win points in an endless argument.

Again, it ends here. And that is either the third or fourth time that suggestion has been made and ignored.

YES SIR!

I will obey!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 12, 2015, 04:52:27 PM
Look man: denying something doesn't make it not real ....

So much for playing it cool. It stops here and now.

I think I'm being pretty reasonable in the questions I'm asking. Reactions to questions/situations can be just as important as the situations/questions themselves.

And please keep in mind: when I say "double standard" I'm not implying some conscious or negative thing, and I should probably find another/better word for it, in fact.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 12, 2015, 04:30:52 PM
At the risk of being accused of dredging up the mud, some things need to be addressed.

First, the accusation that there is a double standard in play, and suggesting it's something coming from the moderators of this board, is completely unwarranted and not at all welcome, and beyond that it's ridiculous. It got to the point where Billy felt he had to post to defend his own positions here, and neither he nor Klaas were involved. They should not have felt in some way like they had to clear the air from an accusation being made. If it were directed at me, then direct it at me and it will be dealt with. This calling out of people, mods or posters or whoever, using general statements is something I object to. And that's one reason why I called this out after seeing the "some folks just don't like the Beach Boys" posted twice in one week. Those statements put any number of people on the defensive who are not even involved, and that's not something the board needs.

Second - It's become too much of an issue - not to mention too much of a drag - to see these endless strings of posts directed against other board members. No matter who you or they are, no matter how much bad blood or animosity or the feeling of not wanting someone else around might be, it cannot and should not be a part of the public discussions here. If some have issues with other board members who for whatever reason we each disagree with, don't care for their style of posting, or simply don't like at the end of the day, these issues should *NOT* be part of the public discussions. If everyone who rubbed someone else here the wrong way were to be banned because there were calls to ban them from other members, most of the regular posters would be shown the door. We don't do things that way.

Other board members do not care to read this stuff. If you can't stand someone's writings on the board, try ignoring them. If someone feels a line is being crossed where something inappropriate or worse has been posted, contact the moderators and point it out to us, and we will discuss it. If we feel there is something worthy of action, action will be taken. But this constant harping on other board members to the point of suggesting they should not be allowed on the board is getting tedious, and if it goes too far it could cross the line into being considered an attempt to bully another member off the forum.

That will never stand. Again, if something is posted that others find offensive, contact the moderators, point it out, and better yet copy all three of us on the message so we all see the issue being reported. And it will be handled from there.

Next - If I'm being accused of having a double standard, I think I deserve a chance to reply. Decisions are made case-by-case, and often in the moment. If there looks like an issue developing that could lead down some ugly roads, and also considering past history and examples, is it a double standard to perhaps try to stop it before it starts? Or perhaps try to get things back on track a bit? I'm personally not one for over-moderation or stepping in too much, but at the same time when there are posters saying there seems to be something wrong with the board...perhaps the decision to try to stop it early on is the judgement call to make. Or perhaps not.

In this case I made a judgement call and stepped in. I will not be accused of holding or applying a double standard for doing so here but not in 100 other discussions for reasons that aren't even in play. That's complete nonsense, and a baseless claim which I find offensive. And as noted, it's offensive to drag others into it too, to the point where they felt it necessary to defend themselves against a blanket accusation. It will not happen that way.

The saying "those who live in glass houses should not throw stones" applies quite well to some of the current issues on this board. And out of respect, that can o' worms will not be opened for all to see publicly, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. That's all that I'll say on that point.

Finally -

All in all, I'll keep it in line from here on out ..... regardless of what I consider unfair. ...... I aint got the guns or the numbers.

If this had been posted on page 3, after my initial post, none of this would have gone beyond those two posts. It's the idea of playing it cool rather than twisting and turning and trying to drive other points into the ground by bringing in other issues and other people. It leads to more dust-ups, more arguments, more people defending and accusing rather than discussing, and above all it leads to more topics getting mucked up with personal stuff rather than the discussion. And, by the way, most discussions do have numerous points of view, in case we've forgotten that in some way.

Point is, if there are personal issues - bring it to the moderators off the board. If something rubs you the wrong way, try ignoring it. If a moderator steps in and makes a suggestion, no one is suggesting some all-authoritarian setup in place here, but consider playing it cool rather than continuing the issue or issues for post after post until others are sucked into the mess and start arguing in return.

That is the nonsense this board doesn't need, nor do most people who come here want to see in topic after topic. Disagree, debate, argue, whatever - but this personal stuff and endless harping on other board members shouldn't be part of the deal.

Look man: denying something doesn't make it not real ....

And here you are harping on about me saying "some folks just don't like The Beach Boys" meanwhile other posters are having it out on other threads in much harsher manner than what has you so up in arms about me.

And other posters might not like reading such horrid things as "Some folks just don't like The Beach Boys" (which is honest speculation due to the tone of many many posts, and I should have the right to speak my opinion on said posts) however, they can certainly handle it.

But let me ask you: so, it's OK to actually have at it with board members and call them names n things, but it's not OK to make a general statement in response to the tone of multiple posts?

I'm just trying to understand.... This had all basically blown over and a few posters had, thankfully, gotten the thread back on track.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favorite Mike lead vocals on: March 12, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
Little Deuce Coupe is a great example of the Mike/Brian trick too.  If you think about it, he's actually singing the verses in a pretty high voice, almost a tenor as crazy as that is (it's just a car song, dont' get cray cray on me now) but then in the chorus, he goes down to bass and Brian comes in with his falsetto.  Back and forth, over and over.  Fantastic style, it takes brilliance (on Brian's part, no doubt) to write and structure songs in that kind of a way. 

Brian was also very clever in how he brings Dennis in to cover the bass parts while Mike does his twists n turns
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 12, 2015, 03:23:28 PM
Now all we need is BW to do all the love  you tracks with his improved voice. Cool

No, dont touch Love You, its perfect!

Brian should take up smoking again (temporariy) and re-record Imagination with only his circa Love You gear Smiley))
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favorite Mike lead vocals on: March 12, 2015, 03:18:14 PM
"In an ocean...or in a glass...cool water, is SUCH a gas."

Simple.  Perfect. Humorous.  Timeless.   Refreshingly right.

 [Yet...not that many seconds later..."cool water is such a groove" which is dated and therefore not a good idea to have included it.]

Yeah... that's another great one.  It sounds so relaxing, like you just want to mellow out with Mike luv.  It's another FANTASTIC example of how when Brian and Mike traded leads/vocals on songs it was really magic.  You take Mike calmly doing those lines, and then have Brian doing his usual soaring "Keeps On Cool-in Coolin' Me!" in the background, just a magical sound.  

For my money: "Devoted To You" is pure Brian/Mike magic... Their voices are just made for each other.

9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 12, 2015, 02:12:37 AM
And how come a "Mike defender" can ask questions of a "Mike basher" that are related to their opinion and the "Mike defender" is always shut down

I don't know if that really is the case - make an experiment, post less and shorter posts, see if you will still be shut down. I mean, no matter how often you post and whatever you tell them, you won't change the way they are anyway. The fact that you started this Brian vocal appreciation thread here and someone else offtopically entered a Mike bashing post should tell you that you don't need to defend yourself the way you do. In other words, it's the way you keep bringing back the topic is what puts people off, not your point of view which is valid.

Good point, though the Mike dissing is usually in full flow before I even throw my hat in the ring, and these cycles go on and on regardless of if I'm involved or not. I just try and get at the big picture maybe too much ...

But I'm taking all these points made to heart. I can guarantee you of that.







10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 12, 2015, 01:41:13 AM
This is now two threads where the same sentiment has been posted. On the earlier one, it got called out by another board member - rightfully so - for trying to bring negativity into what could be a really good discussion

If you talk about me, you can write my name, unless you don't remember it was me who called Pinder out on that one.

In this thread however, it wasn't Pinder who brought the negativity, it was SMiLEBrian who did the totally unnecessary stab at Mike. He just regularly disses Mike without substantial reason, which annoys me just as much as it annoys Pinder. If you criticize Mike, you can do it like this:

I think he's being awfully condescending to his audiences and there are enough fans in the audience who would eat up those deep or deeply melancholy cuts and the others may even be converted and start talking like VDP at social gatherings. I think his audiences are perfectly capable of having "Surf's Up" or "Summer's Gone' tossed at them and will somehow not riot or ask for their money back as long as he also works in some car songs. A good song is a good song! He should loosen up a little, he's earned the right to play anything he wants by now and doesn't need to worry about people getting nachos during "Our Prayer."

That's substantial criticism that you can talk about.

Pinder is right in what he says, however it is unfortunate that he lets himself get goaded by the usual suspects and rambles on, that's so very useless. He's right on with this:

I do too, but not on Mike love's watch will it happen. It's all about the hits for Mike.

Why not contribute a Brian lead that you love to this thread?

Or is it all about dissing Mike?

That's all that was necessary to say.

I think one difference, and it's an important one, is that SB seems to dislike a member of The Beach Boys, namely Mike Love, and he posts negative comments about him, not about another poster on the board.

Unfortunately he does, dissing people who don't condemn Mike as "Kokocop" or "member of club Kokomo" and such nonsense, he didn't do it on this thread though. I don't think there's a double standard by the mods in terms of you can criticize Mike but not Brian, the difference is that Pinder's posts are more and longer and take up more space on the board. I'm with Pinder in this matter, I just wish he would take it all a bit cooler and not heat up so much. It really isn't worth that much rage.

Yeah, well, I think it's unfortunate that, at this point, the sort of routine Mike disses cited here tend to feel just as much like the sort of goading/hectoring/inciting argument thing that I'm being accused of. And I don't see how this feeling escapes logic... I can poke fun at Mike with the best of them, and am generally never hesitant to point out when a Mike criticism is valid and worthy and I never go and diss Brian as a reactionary move, but the kind of relentless dissing of Mike that we see around here ....... well, I think it's kind of shitty that there's an easy get-out-of-jail-free card handed out because of the slippery technicality of "oh, but they're just trashing a Beach Boy and not other posters" .... Even if that logic holds, there should be an exception or two made every so often. All I'm saying ..... And how come a "Mike defender" can ask questions of a "Mike basher" that are related to their opinion and the "Mike defender" is always shut down, but when it's the other way around there's always a big deal made that a poster in disagreement with a "Brianista" is not addressing each and every question asked of them and every point made ...... as I was accused of tonight?

I don't think this is necessarily an intentional double-standard. I just think the Mike = bad, Brian = genius thing is so powerful that not everyone in the world can easily conceive of how anyone could feel either the opposite or not feel it matters at all,  (which is my view) therefore I think it's hard for the feelings of people who stand up for Mike to be taken as completely honest and above the line, where people dissing Mike relentlessly: well, how they feel is completely understandable and relatable ..... I'm not saying I'm right... This is just how it feels sometimes.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 11, 2015, 08:21:16 PM
No double standard... I raise the same points whether it's Brian or Mike, and my post history will bear that out

Yeah, Billy: YOU do ...... And I greatly respect and appreciate you for that.



All in all, I'll keep it in line from here on out ..... regardless of what I consider unfair. ...... I aint got the guns or the numbers.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 11, 2015, 08:10:06 PM
Sorry to harp on about this, but I have to ask how someone coming in on a thread about great Brian lead vocals, when someone expressed hopes for certain songs to be played at a potential reunion, saying that such a thing will never happen on Mike Love's watch because it's all about this hits for him, isn't an example of bringing negativity to a thread or trying to hector arguments?

..... I personally don't see it that way myself, but in using logic that was directed at me, it's a worthy example of the double standard that seems to be creeping in around here.

In fact, the first example cited of my bringing in negativity was in reference to a post that could certainly be taken as an example of negativity itself, yet only I get blasted.

Here is the double standard. The other example cited was from a thread about Mike Love's best vocals this week that had nothing but positive, complimentary comments and examples of Mike's vocals which people here liked. All positive, all upbeat, until you posted this for no reason and with no prompting from anything or anyone in that thread:

I think it's rather telling seeing who's not participating on this thread .....

Some folks really just don't like the Beach Boys

Who was this directed to? Who are the "some folks"? That comment above got called out by a poster who rarely gets involved in these types of discussions, and to this point his post has still gone unanswered. It's a good thing in a way, since no one took the bait and started arguing how much of a fan they were to counter what was a straw-man argument anyway, and which had no reason to appear in a thread which had been nothing but positive.

Now another thread is started about Brian's best vocals the same week, let's call it a bookend to the Mike thread since they're the same thing only with different names. And yet again, just like the one that got called out in the Mike vocals thread, here comes another post about "some folks" not liking the Beach Boys.

Now it's a launching point to unload some opinions about other board members, and should they be expected to just sit back and stay quiet? But that's the whole point - Comments like the "some folks really just don't like the Beach Boys" are made to get a reaction which leads to a debate which leads to an argument and bad feelings.

And that's the kind of stuff I think a lot of members here are sick and tired of seeing in whatever form it appears. This is being called out specifically in this thread and the companion Mike thread because the same person is doing it. The first time, it fell flat because it got called out and because nothing remotely close to being negative had been posted in that discussion which would lead to bringing it into the discussion. Now this time, it's a double standard because the explanation is that it was a response to a negative comment about Mike? So what was the first one responding to? And the same words are now different because one was apparently "prompted" by another comment?

It's gotten to the point where two times is more than enough, where one time should have been enough already. In other words, enough is enough.





Well, OSD came in and said he couldn't think of a single Mike lead that that he liked, so I suppose I could have been talking about him but he hadn't yet made that comment, so I guess I wasn't..... So is the thread in question still only filled with praise and positivity aside from me?

And we are allowed to make general comments/statements ..... And if I'm being singled out for being repetitive an entire 2 times, I'd hardly call this worthy of much note around here. Discussions regarding the general tenor of posters in different "camps" gets discussed all the time.... I didn't coin the term "Brianista" or "Kokomite" etc, but they are used left and right. Are you telling me that when those words are tossed about, they are not in fact being used to describe certain posters?

Deny it all you want, but the double standard I speak of is loud n clear.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 11, 2015, 06:17:29 PM
I think one difference, and it's an important one, is that SB seems to dislike a member of The Beach Boys, namely Mike Love, and he posts negative comments about him, not about another poster on the board.  But that is what this board is for, posting our thoughts, both positive and negative, about The Beach Boys.  On the other hand, you tend to goad actual posters, which is not what this board is for.  If you don't like what he says about Mike Love, too bad.  If he attacks you, or tries to goad you by commenting about *you*, then you have an argument.  If you don't like someone's opinion about Mike, either don't read it or defend him, but you shouldn't go after the poster.

If SB is going after other posters he shouldn't be allowed to either.

The two of you are doing very different things: the purpose of this board is to comment about The BB, good and bad, not to follow other posters around and comment about them everytime they say something you don't like.  This is BB board, not an SB board.  So the problem, as I see it, is in the difference between what you and he are doing, not in how the mods handle it.

EoL

You nailed it  EOL. SB stated an opinion period. It was not aimed at a poster, but his opinion of a member of the band which is his right to do so. But because I, SB and others here don't like Mike Love, we have to absorb being labeled mental midgets, shitweasels, and fuckwits. WTF man. Is this the board standard?? I think not but it goes on and personally, I just sit back and consider the source. So, Pinder, since no one has put you in the same category as us, chill out and be content that you remain unscathed by the name callers that we have to put up with.

But guys, it's a slippery slope between expressing disagreement with an opinion and "going after a poster" ..... I haven't in this case, nor have I ever called SmileBrian any such names as you listed, OSD, nor do I appreciate being lumped in with any such an example..... How many times can a poster state the same disparaging opinion about a Beach Boy before such opinion basically defines the poster? When this happens, it might lead to some speculation about the poster's motivations etc. I don't think it's an example of "going after a poster" to do so. If I can be cited for bringing in negativity, why can't I cite the same in turn?

I've certainly been "gone after" on many an occasion, using the same logic, and the double standard here seems clear as a bell: if you're a "Brianista" anything-goes ...... But if you're "Kokocop" .... you had better watch yourself.
But not the tacky adjectives applied to us.

Touche!

I owe you a canned ham and your yearly allowance of 2 Pacifico's  Smokin
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 11, 2015, 06:09:43 PM
I think one difference, and it's an important one, is that SB seems to dislike a member of The Beach Boys, namely Mike Love, and he posts negative comments about him, not about another poster on the board.  But that is what this board is for, posting our thoughts, both positive and negative, about The Beach Boys.  On the other hand, you tend to goad actual posters, which is not what this board is for.  If you don't like what he says about Mike Love, too bad.  If he attacks you, or tries to goad you by commenting about *you*, then you have an argument.  If you don't like someone's opinion about Mike, either don't read it or defend him, but you shouldn't go after the poster.

If SB is going after other posters he shouldn't be allowed to either.

The two of you are doing very different things: the purpose of this board is to comment about The BB, good and bad, not to follow other posters around and comment about them everytime they say something you don't like.  This is BB board, not an SB board.  So the problem, as I see it, is in the difference between what you and he are doing, not in how the mods handle it.

EoL

You nailed it  EOL. SB stated an opinion period. It was not aimed at a poster, but his opinion of a member of the band which is his right to do so. But because I, SB and others here don't like Mike Love, we have to absorb being labeled mental midgets, shitweasels, and fuckwits. WTF man. Is this the board standard?? I think not but it goes on and personally, I just sit back and consider the source. So, Pinder, since no one has put you in the same category as us, chill out and be content that you remain unscathed by the name callers that we have to put up with.

But guys, it's a slippery slope between expressing disagreement with an opinion and "going after a poster" ..... I haven't in this case, nor have I ever called SmileBrian any such names as you listed, OSD, nor do I appreciate being lumped in with any such an example..... How many times can a poster state the same disparaging opinion about a Beach Boy before such opinion basically defines the poster? When this happens, it might lead to some speculation about the poster's motivations etc. I don't think it's an example of "going after a poster" to do so. If I can be cited for bringing in negativity, why can't I cite the same in turn?

I've certainly been "gone after" on many an occasion, using the same logic, and the double standard here seems clear as a bell: if you're a "Brianista" .... anything-goes ...... But if you're "Kokocop" .... you had better watch yourself!
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 11, 2015, 05:39:56 PM
I think one difference, and it's an important one, is that SB seems to dislike a member of The Beach Boys, namely Mike Love, and he posts negative comments about him, not about another poster on the board.  But that is what this board is for, posting our thoughts, both positive and negative, about The Beach Boys.  On the other hand, you tend to goad actual posters, which is not what this board is for.  If you don't like what he says about Mike Love, too bad.  If he attacks you, or tries to goad you by commenting about *you*, then you have an argument.  If you don't like someone's opinion about Mike, either don't read it or defend him, but you shouldn't go after the poster.

If SB is going after other posters he shouldn't be allowed to either.

The two of you are doing very different things: the purpose of this board is to comment about The BB, good and bad, not to follow other posters around and comment about them everytime they say something you don't like.  This is BB board, not an SB board.  So the problem, as I see it, is in the difference between what you and he are doing, not in how the mods handle it.

EoL


Sure, but I'm not going after any other posters ..... That's not fair. If you say this is a discussion board and people are free to state what they want and discussions commence: I am merely discussing their posted opinion. We are free to disagree with posted opinions, and that is all I've ever been doing. And if you think negative comments have only been directed at Beach Boys members and not at posters such as myself: please go back and look into past posts and all the things "Mike defenders" have been referred to as.

And I still maintain my question as to why it's only ever standing up for Mike or disagreeing with opinion/negative posts about him, that's singled out as "goading" or "hectoring" ..... Or do you really considering calling posters "Anti-Brian Wilson" not an example of "going against other posters?"
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 11, 2015, 05:28:00 PM
Sorry to harp on about this, but I have to ask how someone coming in on a thread about great Brian lead vocals, when someone expressed hopes for certain songs to be played at a potential reunion, saying that such a thing will never happen on Mike Love's watch because it's all about this hits for him, isn't an example of bringing negativity to a thread or trying to hector arguments?

..... I personally don't see it that way myself, but in using logic that was directed at me, it's a worthy example of the double standard that seems to be creeping in around here.

In fact, the first example cited of my bringing in negativity was in reference to a post that could certainly be taken as an example of negativity itself, yet only I get blasted.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 11, 2015, 05:02:42 PM
I honestly think some folks just don't like The Beach Boys OR even care for Brian or his music all that much either. Needing a real life Darth Vader to rail against is what they get off on.

I think it's rather telling seeing who's not participating on this thread .....

Some folks really just don't like the Beach Boys

This is now two threads where the same sentiment has been posted. On the earlier one, it got called out by another board member - rightfully so - for trying to bring negativity into what could be a really good discussion, with no justification other than what seemed to be an attempt to call people out or start an argument.

I'll add this thought: Trying to hector other posters into posting something is ridiculous. Further, if it feels like more of an attempt to provoke stronger reactions which would lead to another dust-up, it won't be allowed to continue.

If the sentiment is bringing more good discussion and better interactions among board members to this forum, then these kinds of general statements about people not liking the Beach Boys aren't helping the cause, and they do lead to bad feelings, which usually leads to yet another argument. And I'd suggest stopping it right now and in the future.



Hmmmmmm, identical sentiments being aired on different threads on this board? ...... I strongly suspect the two cited examples are not the only ones handy.

C'mon, this sounds like a double-standard type thing happening here .....

So, when people make disparaging statements about Mike, on a board where at least a few posters are known to ardently defend Mike, THAT's not seen as attempts to goad posters into posting things?

This is a discussion board. Every single damn thread or post can be taken as an attempt to goad posters into ...... er, posting things, ......  if you want to look at it that way. So, why only apply such an idea in one direction and against only certain posters based upon their point of view on select subjects? Is that really fair?

And I can attest that the two examples of "trying to goad posters into posting things" were actually just honest expressions of an honest feeling....
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 11, 2015, 04:47:00 PM
Pinder, no need to goad him. C'mon, you saw the song titles he was reacting to. You honestly think Mike Love will be all up for performing "Love and Mercy" after the film comes out? Or even "Surf's Up," what with those wacky VDP lyrics that don't connect with his audience? He doesn't have to be Darth Vader, but he does know his audience... the country fair circuit doesn't want to hear about crummy movies or columnated ruins...

As for the topic of this thread... I can't pick! "Lonely Sea" and "Don't Talk." No... "Heroes and Villains." Wait! Bernstein "Surf's Up." All of the above?

But all it takes is mere mention of anything related to Brian Wilson or The Beach Boys in order to goad him, so what use is there in trying to avoid it?

So, when exactly has Mike prohibited anything but "the hits" from being performed by whatever configuration of The Beach Boys?

I mean, if someone's going to make such a statement, they should be able to back it up.

Even on the 50th Tour live CD,  The Boys managed to sneak in Marcella, All This Is That, Forever, California Saga: California, Add Some Music To Your Day, Heroes & Villains, Disney Girls, When I Grow Up, Don't Back Down, Why Do Fools Fall In Love, Wendy (#44 U.S charts. Certainly something of a hit, but not "a hit"), Pet Sounds, Isn't It Time ....... All non-hits ..... Jeez, you'd think poor Mike might have had a vote or two toward the set-list! .... Oh, I guess his one vote went to Kokomo. Right.

19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 11, 2015, 10:09:23 AM
I do too, but not on Mike love's watch will it happen. It's all about the hits for Mike.

Why not contribute a Brian lead that you love to this thread?

Or is it all about dissing Mike?

I honestly think some folks just don't like The Beach Boys OR even care for Brian or his music all that much either. Needing a real life Darth Vader to rail against is what they get off on.

Stack-O-Tracks: I'm with you on Love Is A Woman!

Just check out how Brian sings the last "toniiiiiiight" ..... He sounds both innocent, creepy, funny, happy/sad, insane, and joyous all at the same time .... I always end up playing that last section over and over again.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 10, 2015, 12:22:27 AM
Great list, Eric.

I think what I'm trying to single out are Brian songs where he basically carries it.

There are no shortage of great songs where Brian sings the chorus etc, but which are basically Mike leads, like Don't Hurt My Little sister or Good To My Baby.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love \ on: March 09, 2015, 09:03:26 PM

It is sad, yet perfectly understandable, that the Comments section is preemptively disabled...


OSD is fuming with rage  Evil
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Examiner exclusive: The Beach Boys Today! - Mike talks about the album on: March 09, 2015, 08:44:41 PM
Mike's GV lyrics just destroy Asher's.

No they don't.


Well, you're in luck!

There's a version on BWPS with Asher's lyrics!

The rest of us will keep the smash #1 hit 1967 version and everyone wins  Grin
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 09, 2015, 08:18:56 PM
Brian's verse on "Isn't It Time" is also a favorite of mine .....

He sounds pleasingly like his "Love You" self at first, but then when he breaks into "I wanna take you there" a whole other little universe opens up.

Mike, Bruce, and Al sound fab too, on that one.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 09, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
Surf's Up. I still get chills up my spine when I hear him sing "columnated ruins domino"

Oh yeah! One of the most gigantic life changing moments for me was when The Beach Boys: An American Band came on cable one day when I was about 15, and I picked up the remote to change it, thinking "Yeah, The Beach Boys: been there done that" and then that passage "Surf's up again" comes on and blows my mind while I'm watching some guy ride a wave on the screen as if the universe was telling me "what you're looking at is all you THOUGHT you knew about The Beach Boys, while what you're hearing is telling you how much you DON'T know about The Beach Boys" ....

I still get chills too.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 09, 2015, 08:04:41 PM
Same with Lonely Sea....

How young was Brian there? Yet he sounds like he's lived at least a lifetime or two.
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