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Wow. Just wow.
I just read some threads there. The amount of venom thrown at us is appalling.
I'm sorry, but I'm never going to be friends with people who despise and hate me just because I am a member here.
I used to be out of all these games, and to believe it's all about the music. Obviously, it's not. There is something very dark going on.

And the Beatles would still be touring!

LOL !!!

Welcome, and 100% agreed too. In music, there are gems everywhere.

"Brian had a bad experience with LSD and decided he didn't want to finish it" - Mike on Smile.

Good old Mike... his mind is always on the music. A born artist.

My opinion is totally the reverse.

I think the problem runs very deep, and sadly there is no mending it. Mike and Brian embody two opposite types of human being, and people will naturally gravitate around their respective planets. One would think that having composed 90% of the BB music would offset this on self-proclaimed BB fans. Sadly again, it does not. Tends to be "forgotten".

I'm interested only in the music, and can hope to read some insights in Brian's book. Not in the other.

As someone of mixed race, I really don't find that funny.

It's not funny Billy, not at all.

Sonic, I just read your explanation for your 1967 Smile mix. It's pure gold, makes so PERFECT sense! You must be the Sherlock Holmes of Smile fans, and no irony. Looking forward to listen to the result, it may be the nearest thing to a completed 1967 Smile we can have.

Oh thanks!

The only changes I would have made since then is a three-minute edit of Child is Father of The Man, much like Brian's test edits; and an Elements that used the different takes of Dada spliced together with the three elemental Psychedelic Sounds chants in the breaks of each (instead of just solely 'water' chants).  

Not sure if I'll ever revise my posted mix, but if I did, those are the changes I'd make.  

I listened to your 1967 Smile mix and it's simply fantastic, as I was expecting given your explanations. Highlights (imho): the Old Master Painter coda and the Water section in The Elements (brilliant!). Thanks!
The only thing I miss is a Heroes and Villains Part 2 as a bonus track. I appreciate that you went for a "not kitchen sink" H&V, but the H&V sessions are not the kitchen sink, they rank among the most brilliant music ever, and can't simply be left on the cutting floor.
Anyway, thanks!!!!

Doctor, you can't write that we "wallow in our feces" (and there is no need to "spy", it's there for everyone to read, took me all of a whoppin' minute to reach it) and act all surprised and offended if one of the "wallowers" takes a quite civil exception.  
Someone said that you can decide to be either friend or tyrant, but not both at the same time. Meditate on that, it's not only valid for politics.

Agreed.

Doctor, please let us "wallow in our own feces" (I'm quoting one of your posts "there"). Neither Billy nor Craig ever go to disturb your havenly (pun intended) peace there. Pay us the same respect.
I can't speak for the board obviously, but speaking just for myself: please let us alone.

You betcha! Tell your fearless leader Craig to stop referencing us in here and I will be quite happy to leave you wallowing...

Craig is not my "leader" in any way (I don't have one). He's one of the most savvy Beach Boys scholars I know, and one of our two excellent moderators.

Doctor, please let us "wallow in our own feces" (I'm quoting one of your posts "there", in the a "Refugee from the Dark Side*" thread). Neither Billy nor Craig ever go to disturb your havenly - pun intended - peace there. Pay us the same respect.
I can't speak for the board obviously, but speaking just for myself: please let us alone.

* It's surreal. Now we are "the Dark Side". But then, having suffered from asthma all my life, probably a Darth Vader costume would fit me...

Welcome!

It's not "everyone at each other's throats". The overall atmosphere here is quite friendly now.

Of course, if one looks at this through a Trump lens, Iain Lee's become the most talked-about person among Beach Boys fans, and has probably gained some fairly devoted fans himself.

Sure! If you want fans but know no other way, just be an "arsehole" (the real thing, not the supposed Smiley Smile version). Your fellows will flock to you!

Completley off-topic I know, but...

Billy, I just noticed your new nickname/avatar combo. Brilliant! "Furlock Holmes" indeed!

I used to be a fan of Mike's. Still a fan of his contributions to my favourite group ever, and especially of his stellar bass/baritone voice.
Like Billy, I probably like Looking Back With Love more than Imagination. If "Mike Love Not War" (would have been the best title ever!) had been released, I'd have bought it!
But... I lost any patience I had about his interviews/lawsuits/books/whatever shenanigans, and most of all about many of his "fans". People who defend the indefensible. Who sometimes try to rewrite known history, and will ignore evidence if it doesn't meet their agenda. Who won't miss any chance to provoke and insult anybody who is perceived as a "Brianista".
By the way, I'd like to understand how could "Brianista" ever been meant as an insult by so-called BEACH BOYS FANS. I mean, who else composed 90% of all that wonderful music? Mysteries...
And, no, death threats may be not serious (hopefully!), but aren't particularly funny. Ever.  
This board, thanks to Charles, Billy, Craig and all the good people here, ROCKS. More than ever.

First of all, Iain was clearly - clearly - exaggerating for comic effect. Anyone who genuinely thinks he meant he really would kill everyone on Smiley Smile needs to urgently acquire a sense of humour... (It's just a guess, but I'll bet he's had a look at this thread and had a right good chuckle!)

Secondly, is it any wonder Iain gave up on this place? The level of petty sniping, deliberate provocation and just flat-out mean-spirited jealousy that was directed towards him was almost comical - and it was actively encouraged by those who should have known better.

But while you're all busy bitching on this depressing site, Iain will no doubt continue to have articles published in respectable music magazines and oversee successful record reissue campaigns - not bad for a '3rd rate british [sic] version of Bubba the Love Sponge'. Oh, and a 'wanker' and a 'fucking tool'. Where are the moderators in all of this uncensored abuse??

I don't even really know why I've even logged back on here again. I guess I wanted to see if things had improved - but no, clearly not.

Right, I'm off to Brighton to see Brian at the Brighton Festival with my lovely wife... Bye - enjoy bitching in my (permanent) absence

Can I have your gear?

Sure ORR, and I add that it looks as lively as ever, contrary to what somebody predicted (or wished).

Sonic, I just read your explanation for your 1967 Smile mix. It's pure gold, makes so PERFECT sense! You must be the Sherlock Holmes of Smile fans, and no irony. Looking forward to listen to the result, it may be the nearest thing to a completed 1967 Smile we can have.

No, I'm never going to be friends with anyone who says he's gladly kill me and my friends (hopefully not serious) and calls me and my friends the worst "arseholes" in the Internet (and this IS serious).
Not with anyone (namely, the Pet Sounds forum) who gladly hosts such a "tool".
Sorry, kds. Universal peace is impossible, as much as I'd wish for it.
I tend to take death threats, and heavy insults, seriously. My bad, I know. 

Sunflower is one of the best among the most underrated series of albums ever: the Beach Boys stretch after "Pet Sounds" up to "Love You" (included).

I'm not interested in any way whatsoever about the ML tree-killing effort. I read some excerpts, and they were more than enough. And thanks Billy for doing the right thing.

Just returned, so...

A terribly late Happy Birthday, Billy!