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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Adult Child
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on: July 04, 2016, 06:38:07 PM
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Adult Child won't be released unless
1. 'The powers that be' who decide on the marketing for this band are given their long-overdue dismissal (never forget that there exists an "official SMiLE surfboard") 2. They can figure out a way to advertise the album as a fun, party-time sum-sum-summer Beach Boys™ album
Brian Wilson the Outsider Pop Genius™ as a marketing strategy would not hurt his legacy, but it's fair to assume that 'the powers that be' are not particularly interested in reopening old wounds that previously (if not presently) made it difficult for him to be signed to a major label
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’
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on: June 16, 2016, 07:09:13 AM
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why are you participating in it at all? The OP's only question was about when exactly Wilson started hearing voices. The fact that Wilson is afflicted with the disorder is important for providing a significant degree of context -- it'd be useful to know when the hallucinations started so that one can have a specific point of reference when analyzing his music. That's the extent of my interest. 1. Really? What are your sources?
2. What would be the point of that, or further, why claim someone heard voices earlier than they did?
1. " I’d taken some psychedelic drugs, and then about a week after that I started hearing voices, and they’ve never stopped. For a long time I thought to myself, “Oh, I can’t deal with this.” But I learned to deal with it anyway." 2. The point of what? I recall that in his 'Landyography' (page 86 in my edition), 'Brian' talks about having heard horrible noises in his *sleep* from late 1963. His description is that they were "Loud, terrifying screams... like goblins in a haunted house". Wasn't aware of that -- good note
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’
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on: June 16, 2016, 06:48:43 AM
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Would you mind answering my question above? What makes it highly likely that it came from Melinda Ledbetter?
1. I don't know the answer to (or care about) the irrelevant question you posed. Anyone who is interested in the relationship between LSD and latent psychosis can look it up for themselves. Anyone who is super interested in the specifics of Brian Wilson's mental health -- be it whether he is genetically predisposed to mental illness, how far you can trace it in his family tree, or if he's really schizoaffective like his doctors say he is -- should be more concerned with their own mental well-being. 2. Until September 2014, it was never claimed by anyone on record that Wilson experienced auditory hallucinations before taking LSD. Obviously someone close to Wilson knows something the public doesn't. Everything in the L&M film was 'fact checked' by the family, with Ledbetter as primary consultant. It's not 100% that the detail came from *her* specifically, but if she thought the '1963' date was inaccurate, it almost certainly would not have made it into the film. Oren Moverman was very much interested in 'setting the record straight' based on what Ledbetter (or other people) had to say. - Moverman: "One of my favorite corrections in the Brian mythology is when he’s sitting with Melinda and he’s at the piano and he’s like, “I don’t know, it just comes out,” and she says, “I have to ask you, did you really spend two years in bed?” And he says, “It was actually three years,” and then we added that line, “At least that’s what I tell people.” And there were sort of like these little things were there was sort of like a whole mythology about who Brian Wilson is and what his life is, but some of it is real, some of it is based on reality, and some of it is kind of an exaggeration or manipulation of facts or lore that just sort of happened through the years. So we were playing also with the idea that some of it may not be true. ... I think everything in the movie is based on fact, everything is based on research, but there were definitely shortcuts that we had to take and different things that we hand to twist around. The Brian/Melinda story, every single scene in that part of the movie happened, because I talked to Melinda and she told me all these stories and I just transformed them into scenes ... all those things really happened at least in the way she told them. So that was sort of the official story."
So if she (or somebody else) knows better, why does Wilson always say that the hallucinations started after the LSD? Who knows. Go ask him. Or her. Or continue pointlessly discussing this inconclusive subject for a further 50 pages, as these threads tend to go.
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