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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published
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on: November 24, 2018, 07:37:05 AM
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I just read the foreword, called "Call us the Guardian Angels", which should tell you something right there, on Amazon. "The Beach Boys stayed alive on the back of Mike Love's charismatic lead singing and hard-working stage presence, becoming widely respected for their constant touring and great concerts".
Are you ****ing kidding me?
I guess Carl's singing had nothing to do with it. Nor did his producing, arranging, guitar-playing or band-leading.
what kind of hot steaming garbage is this? when has pop culture ever embraced Mike as anything more than the awkwardly coordinated, money-loving singer in the band who didn't play an instrument and never knew what to do with his hands? let alone the sole reason the band kept going, considering they "stayed alive" on his back. I know you wrote a book, and that's cool, but that is straight up not true, especially when Carl has been recognized for decades as the musical director for the touring Beach Boys who worked his ass off to make those shows rock. Mike is not the equivalent of Mick Jagger in the Stones. He is the opposite of Mick Jagger.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FINALLY ! . . . . . . Part Two (suspended)
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on: October 07, 2018, 08:08:22 AM
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I know it's upsetting anytime an argument happens with a respected figure close to a band we all love, but this was not a personal matter at all, it is one of indisputable fact. Kirk and I and others on this thread have all stated our immense appreciation for Stephen making these study videos, that is all genuine.
All I can say is that the past two pages of this thread have featured Stephen Desper referring to the "mystery" of who sang the finished studio version of "Sail On Sailor", NOT the cassette he posted, but rather the official version we all know so well. If anyone sees that as a point worth defending, a point that basically disrespects the legacy of Blondie singing his signature vocal, all in the name of obviously mislabeled evidence, then have at it.
And a final reminder that is a discussion of an academic piece of work, which is why fact checking obvious truths matter. If PetSoundsPete came along and posted his first thread where he claimed that it might be Dennis singing the studio release of "Help Me, Rhonda", I probably wouldn't care, it's just some guy. But someone like Stephen, who people would rightfully be more inclined to believe than any other random person on an internet forum, making an argument that the official studio credit for the lead vocal on "Sailor On Sailor" is now a complete mystery could lead many other fans to read that and think it's true. If that's the kind of world of half-baked conspiracies you want to live in, be my guests. Just don't be surprised when you are greeted with a completely logical factcheck.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FINALLY ! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Part Two
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on: October 06, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
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Oooooh boy, this is a hot potato, but I guess since no one else has grabbed it, I'll be the one. Stephen, if you were take a moment to step back and not let your own personal bias get in the way, you would see that there is no newfound "mystery" about the well-documented and extremely obvious fact that Blondie Chaplin is the singer of the official studio version of "Sail On Sailor” on the Holland album, a point no has disputed for 45 years. It would be like someone questioning if it was in fact Al Jardine who sang “God Only Knows” on Pet Sounds. To be frank, it's a bit bizarre to have somebody closely associated with the group question the credit accuracy of a famous studio recording that has been a cherished song for decades and what is most likely THE Blondie Chaplin performance, all based on a piece of evidence that is clearly no longer what it is labelled to be. No one is disputing that you had a tape of Carl singing "Sail On Sailor" at some point, it's existence has been much discussed. The only "mystery" here is how your tape of Carl singing got replaced with one of Blondie singing, as has clearly happened here. You yourself point out how you lent the tape to Brother Records a few times, so it has been out of your possession in the past, where anything could've happened to it. Someone gave you back the wrong tape, or accidentally replaced the Carl vocal with the Blondie vocal. Accidents happen and that is clearly what happened here.
It's been my understanding that Blondie has always had immense pride for that song that he sang his friggin’ heart out on. Are you saying that pride might be misguided because he might not be the lead singer to a song that everyone here knows him from? Nobody has ever made the assertion before that Carl could be the singer of the released version of "Sail On Sailor", a popular song for over 40 years, because anyone who listens to it would tell you otherwise. This makes me question the validity of other topics you have written about in your book. If someone wrote a scholarly book on the Beach Boys and stated "to my ears, it's Bruce Johnston singing 'Forever' on Sunflower", why would I believe any other similar points they've made?
Just listen to their live performances from the era, clearly sung by Blondie. Same guy who sang the version in the studio, a defining vocal for a stellar artist. If we were just discussing this in a random thread with other users on this site, I probably wouldn't bother to write this much about it. But when you have an important figure to the group like yourself posting a study video used for academic purposes, I can think of no greater time to stress an extremely simple truth.
And not that I think this is the reason behind your point of view, but it would be fine to be wrong about this! Happens to everybody! None of us would think any less of you for having a misunderstanding with regards to a misattributing a vocal. History can be a tricky thing to get 100% correct, and as all of these voices in both this thread and the one at petsoundsforum can tell you, it is the credited singer, Blondie Chaplin, on the both the studio recording of the song we all know and love and the a capella mix you have that has been bootlegged for years. There is simply no discussion beyond that.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FINALLY ! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Part Two
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on: October 06, 2018, 07:38:27 AM
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After listening to SOS a few times, I have to agree with the majority in this thread that it sounds like Blondie singing. Listen to how the word "waters" is sung. You can hear the slight South African accent. I do hear Carl "answering" some specific words though.
Yep, Carl answers Blondie in the last verse, just like the original. Pull out your copy of Holland and listen to it- they’re the same lead and backing vocals. I’m just confused why so many are debating this or saying these “new” vocals are so different. Listen to them back to back with the Holland version, it’s not a mystery. They’re identical. And if we’re at the point where we’re questioning if it’s even Blondie on the final recording, I just have to accept I live in a different reality from the rest of you guys  We can’t rely on memories of a recording session over actual aural evidence. Memory is fallible, and has a way of changing over time. For example, I’ve seen the band Wilco many times. I have a distinct memory of seeing them perform a particular song at an outdoor show in Nashville. I can still see and hear it in my mind’s eye and ears. But it never happened. I saw them play that song at a theater show in Cincinnati a couple years later, but the two memories have melded together in my brain over time. I only discovered this when I pulled out a recording of that Nashville show to listen to that particular song, and was shocked it wasn’t on there, researched further and found, crap, I was wrong. Now, do I trust my memory, or the recordings from those nights? Obviously the recordings, right? Same situation. Mr. Desper may remember things one way, such as only Dennis recording “Fourth of July.” But we have a recording that is unquestionably Carl Wilson singing the song. Which do we trust? The recording, or Mr. Desper’s memory? I’ll take the recording. Not trying to attack anyone, and I sympathize with having unreliable memories. I apologize if I’ve come across too strong. Steven, like anyone else I am extremely appreciative of you taking the time to make and post these wonderful videos that somehow manage to deepen my love for the band even more, but I have to respectfully agree with Kirk here. As you stated, this is an academic video, and all facts should be correct. This is an a capella and organ mix of "Sail On Sailor" that's been available on Youtube for over 4 years now, taken from the official Endless Harmony DVD 5.1 isolations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2BG0cw3sVU&t=1s. As you can tell, it's the exact same lead that you have posted, but with an organ track on it as well. If this was an alternate lead of Carl singing as you say it is, people would be exploding with excitement in the comments and, quite frankly, more than likely it would've been taken down by Brother Records by now as they seem to have a strict policy about not having truly rare material being leaked onto Youtube. Fans have been clamoring for YEARS for any alternate "Sail on Sailor" material, especially anything with Carl singing as just about everyone here is crazy for his voice. People would be posting about this revelation for years, but instead it's a vocal mix of the released song with Blondie on lead, which still sounds fantastic. That is the mix you have put into your video. I don't have any similar video to reference in regards to why that isn't Dennis singing lead on "4th of July", but I would maybe ask that you double check with some of your peers and academic figures you noted in the beginning of your video to confirm that "Sail On Sailor" and "4th of July" aren't misattributed vocals. Like everyone who has posted the same point on this thread, I cannot stress enough how none of this is meant maliciously or to disrespect you or any of the brilliant work you have done in your career. All of us here, especially including yourself, have spent so much time listening to this group's music, having some of these voices from the band permanently etched into our brains. We love these guys. Which is why we care about having the right information presented with the music.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread
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on: October 03, 2018, 07:34:12 AM
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Bri in the studio?.. hence the A4 list sheets....... Approving the tracks/list for the 68 CR release?
Oh man, I always wish someone would do some subtle behind the scenes of video of filming Brian as he listens to all the music to approve it. Would love to see his reactions to hearing all this stuff he worked so hard on and getting to hear his brothers talking in some of the various studio chatter tracks, has to be quite the emotional experience. I've always been so curious how it happens, does he listen to it with a group of people like Mark Linett and Alan Boyd who he can discuss with, or does he do it alone like when he watched Love & Mercy for the first time? And how much of it does he actually listen to considering there are hours of material released every year now, especially something like Live Sunshine that was 6 hours of concert material?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Exclusive Videos on Brian's Instagram
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on: August 29, 2018, 09:03:20 AM
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Something I've noticed lately is the use of Brian's instagram channel as a cool way to let people hear a lot of stuff from his ever-growing archive of recordings, including full songs, recording snippets, and interviews. This is exactly what an account like this should do, post some famous and obscure pictures of a music icon while also giving people a reason to follow it for access to material not available anywhere else, also making it a better place to hear rare Beach Boys cuts than the actual Beach Boys page. I'm an absolute sucker for this kind of stuff, and even though instagram has a 1 minute cap on videos, you can find some pretty great stuff there. https://www.instagram.com/brianwilsonlive/Some brief highlights: the latest has been the first two tracks from Brian's transcendental and beautifully haunting vocal melody of "Don't Talk" that was on the '96 and '16 box set, apparently recorded so Brian could play it to the musicians to give them an idea of how the instrumentation should sound. It's one of my favorite Brian recordings ever, and I don't believe the individual tracks of this have ever been released, or maybe even booted? Definitely shows just how much raw material still exists in the vaults, much of it still worth releasing (i.e. all vocal and instrumental tracks for songs should be released on a website somewhere for all to enjoy). https://www.instagram.com/p/BnBa8f5AIlG/?taken-by=brianwilsonlive and https://www.instagram.com/p/BnEDEJAAK9X/?taken-by=brianwilsonliveCovering Barenaked Ladies' "Brian Wilson" at a soundcheck: https://www.instagram.com/p/Blg6meSjw0Y/?taken-by=brianwilsonliveA notably clear recording of "I'll Bet He's Nice" from the Love You demos that Brian played for the band in '76, maybe the most prominent bootlegged song that the account has posted, I sincerely hope this means that these recordings will officially see the light of the day sometime soon https://www.instagram.com/p/BjGQXNxgbDk/?taken-by=brianwilsonliveMuch more to find on there, so browse away and enjoy.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unreleased Songs Masterlist: Material to expect from further archival releases
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on: August 19, 2018, 06:25:47 PM
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Updated to include much more bootlegged and non-bootlegged material, including the rest of the 80's and 90's. A staggering amount of songs, and just goes to show that even with the pool of unheard Beach Boys songs is shrinking every year, there is still an entire catalogue worth of bootlegged music that is crying out to be released.
Does anybody have a year in particular they're looking forward to? 1972 seems like a creatively fertile time for the group, can't wait to hear what's in store for that one. The Love You era also holds a special place in my heart, hearing alternate versions of those songs and those charming piano demos in studio quality would be a dream.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: jacksdeos Reimagined Albums Series: Complete Track Listing
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on: August 10, 2018, 03:48:20 PM
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Hey dudes! I've been updating these albums over time, especially as more material has released from the vaults, so some of my albums have changed quite considerably. Wild Honey has been beefed up to 20 songs, because man oh man was Sunshine Tomorrow a revelation. Here is the link to that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5VCZogK0hEMakes me so damn eager for what comes next with these yearly releases, I truly believe some of this unreleased material changes the history of the band considerably. I also folded the best of my Carl & the Passions and Holland albums into one, glorious double album that I think makes for a great listen. In that vein, I have also taken the few bits I actually like from my spin on 15 Big Ones (which isn't much honestly, a lot of Brian's material from that period is misguided or mixed in a not favorable way) with so much of what I love from Love You, including the beautiful and wrenching "Still I Dream of It" and "It's Over Now". If people really wanna hear these again, I can try and look into a way to get it out there. Thanks again for listening!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What material we can expect from further archival releases
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on: August 10, 2018, 03:40:10 PM
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Still no word on the 2018 copyright releases, which I think we've all realized is due to the promotion of the Philharmonic album (which is honestly not for me, the whole point of Brian's work was his complex and groundbreaking arrangements, how could you top that?). But it's interesting that Brian's official facebook page posted this yesterday: https://www.facebook.com/officialbrianwilson/posts/10157271726357241It's the "Walk On By" cover released on the CD twofers way back when, but seeing as that song is still not available digitally, they instead posted the superb and beautiful edit done by steel7866, which I'm not sure if they post here, but if so, huge congrats dude! The official page of the man himself endorsed your mix, couldn't think of a more higher compliment. So considering this was recorded in 1968, could this mean a possible release on streaming services of the originally released of the 55 second version, and maybe because of the popularity of the extended mix (90,000 views for a fan edit of an unknown cover is pretty damn good), maybe an officially edited version by Mark Linnett and Alan Boyd to make it extended? It's such an amazing piece of unfinished music that I don't mind it looping again and again. That's my mix. Holy sh*t! Thanks for the heads up - that made my day. No problem, man! It's more than well deserved, your mixes rule. Especially love the "Our Sweet Love" version with extra Brian vocals, it's the only version of the song I listen to now.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What material we can expect from further archival releases
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on: August 08, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
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Still no word on the 2018 copyright releases, which I think we've all realized is due to the promotion of the Philharmonic album (which is honestly not for me, the whole point of Brian's work was his complex and groundbreaking arrangements, how could you top that?). But it's interesting that Brian's official facebook page posted this yesterday: https://www.facebook.com/officialbrianwilson/posts/10157271726357241It's the "Walk On By" cover released on the CD twofers way back when, but seeing as that song is still not available digitally, they instead posted the superb and beautiful edit done by steel7866, which I'm not sure if they post here, but if so, huge congrats dude! The official page of the man himself endorsed your mix, couldn't think of a more higher compliment. So considering this was recorded in 1968, could this mean a possible release on streaming services of the originally released of the 55 second version, and maybe because of the popularity of the extended mix (90,000 views for a fan edit of an unknown cover is pretty damn good), maybe an officially edited version by Mark Linnett and Alan Boyd to make it extended? It's such an amazing piece of unfinished music that I don't mind it looping again and again.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your 5 Favorite Songs Per Decade?
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on: April 16, 2018, 09:32:34 AM
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Excellent idea for a thread.
60’s Cabin Essence Aren’t You Glad I Just Wasn’t Made for These Times Heroes and Villains God Only Knows
Album: Smile
70's All I Wanna Do Still I Dream of It The Trader Mona Funky Pretty
Album: Holland
80's Rio Grande Love and Mercy Melt Away Goin’ On One for the Boys
Album: Brian Wilson
90's Gettin' In Over My Head You’re Still a Mystery This Could Be the Night Proud Mary Soul Searchin'
Album: Wilson/Paley stuff
2000's Midnight’s Another Day Going Home Just Like Me and You Wonderful Surf’s Up
Album: That Lucky Old Sun
2010's Someone to Watch Over Me I Got Plenty o’ Nuttin One Kind of Love From There to Back Again Pacfic Coast
Album: Gershwin
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What material we can expect from further archival releases
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on: December 04, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
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According to the new copy of Endless Summer Quarterly, the end of year copyright extension release will be: "Sunshine Tomorrow 2 - 29 additional tracks from the Smiley Smile sessions, the Lei'd in Hawaii Wally Heider Studio sessions, and the Wild Honey sessions, including the unreleased "Good News" Live Sunshine - 109 performances from 7 shows in 5 states during the 1967 tour"
Sounds amazing! Plus, the release of "Good News", previously thought to be unreleasable. And all those live tracks too..... they need to better manage the release of these things, especially when it comes to all the amazing music the band didn't put out during their artistic period post-Pet Sounds, stuff that music fans could totally be interested in.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: jacksdeos Reimagined Albums Series: Complete Track Listing
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on: September 25, 2017, 06:34:01 AM
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Hey guys! Since Playback has just come out and elicited some enthusiastic discussion of Brian's collected work, I thought I'd share my robust version of the album, embracing the "anthology" title and including plenty of phenomenal unreleased material that only reinforces the notion that Brian has recorded absolute classics in every decade of his career.
Playback (2017)
First solo release - 1966 1. Caroline, No (original speed stereo mix with original ending) 1966 2. I Just Wasn't Made for These Times (unused backgrounds from the Pet Sounds box) Recorded entirely by Brian - 1976 3. You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling (original mix) Brian Wilson - 1988 4. Love and Mercy 5. Melt Away 6. One for the Boys 7. There’s So Many 8. Let It Shine 9. Rio Grande 10. Love and Mercy (backing track with backing vocals) 11. Melt Away (early version) 12. God Only Knows (live) 1983 13. Black Widow (demo) 14. Turning Point Sweet Insanity - 1990 15. Do You Have Any Regrets (I Do) 16. Rainbow Eyes (original version) Paley Sessions era - early to mid 1990’s 17. Proud Mary 18. Chain Reaction of Love 19. Soul Searchin’ (original mix) 20. This Could Be the Night 21. Desert Drive (original version) 22. You’re Still a Mystery (original mix) 23. Gettin’ In Over My Head (original mix) 24. This Song Wants to Sleep with You 25. Some Sweet Day 26. It’s Not Easy Being’ Me 27. Goin' Home (original version) 1996 28. Do It Again (live at Topanga Canyon songwriter symposium) Imagination - 1998 29. Your Imagination (a capella version) Live at the Roxy - 2000 30. Be My Baby 31. This Isn’t Love Brian Wilson Presents “Smile” - 2004 32. Heroes and Villains 33. Cabin Essence 34. Wonderful 35. Surf’s Up 36. Good Vibrations 37. Heroes and Villains (backing track) 38. Roll Plymouth Rock (backing track) 39. On a Holiday (backing track) 40. Rhapsody In Blue (piano version from the bonus solo performances on the Smile DVD) 41. Good Vibrations (piano version with Carol Kaye on bass from the bonus solo performances on the Smile DVD) 42. Heroes and Villains (piano version with vocals and Carole Kaye on bass from the bonus solo performances on the Smile DVD) 43. Wonderful (piano version from the bonus solo performances on the Smile DVD) 2005 44. Love and Mercy (2005 version) 45. On Christmas Day (backing track with backing vocals) That Lucky Old Sun - 2008 46. That Lucky Old Sun 47. Just Like Me and You 48. Midnight’s Another Day (original version with only Brian vocals) 49. Going Home 50. Southern California 2009 51. What Love Can Do Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin - 2010 52. Rhapsody In Blue (intro) 53. The Like In I Love You 54. I Got Plenty o’ Nuttin’ (instrumental) 55. Someone to Watch Over Me 56. Nothing But Love The Art of McCartney - 2014 57. Wanderlust No Pier Pressure - 2015 58. This Beautiful Day 59. Somewhere Quiet (featuring Al Jardine) 60. One Kind of Love Brian Wilson and Friends - 2016 61. Don’t Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) (live instrumental) (feat. Mark Isham) George Fest 62. My Sweet Lord (live) 2017 63. Run James Run
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \
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on: September 19, 2017, 02:15:53 PM
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I never know truly accurate these descriptions are, but according to the Youtube upload of this from the channel that automatically uploads new streaming material of Brian's (every major artist has a "- Topic" channel), the song has a credit for Andy Paley as a Co-Producer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggE9Oa7wz8Interesting, since I haven't heard of him being involved in this. It may be that it grouped this song together with "Some Sweet Day", but the description does also correctly note that the song was written by Brian and Joe Thomas, so maybe it is correct? Either way, I hope Andy starts to work with Brian again very soon, I love what they did together and clearly both still admire each other a whole lot. At the very least, maybe the two of them can spearhead some long-overdue Paley sessions material from the 90's.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: jacksdeos Reimagined Albums Series: Complete Track Listing
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on: July 20, 2017, 01:52:21 PM
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Hello again! I've uploaded a new version of Wild Honey, and damn is it exciting to make an expanded album sourced from one single compilation album and not any bootlegs. Sunshine Tomorrow is a true miracle in the Beach Boys canon. Take a listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTs2IiMf6QI&t=1143s Wild Honey (1967) 1. Wild Honey (2017 stereo mix) 2. Aren’t You Glad (2017 stereo mix) 3. I Was Made To Love Her (2017 stereo mix with the ending tag from extended version) 4. Country Air (2017 stereo mix) 5. A Thing Or Two (2017 stereo mix) 6. With A Little Help from My Friends (2017 stereo mix) 7. Darlin’ (2017 stereo mix) 8. The Letter (2017 stereo mix) 9. Honey Get Home (instrumental) 9. I’d Love Just Once To See You (2017 stereo mix) 11. Game of Love (2017 stereo mix) 12. Lonely Days (alternate version) 13. Here Comes The Night (2017 stereo mix) 14. Let the Wind Blow (2017 stereo mix) 15. Cool, Cool Water (alternate version) 16. How She Boogalooed It (2017 stereo mix) 17. Can’t Wait Too Long (alternate version) 18. Their Hearts Were Full of Spring (live rehearsal)
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What material we can expect from further archival releases
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on: July 10, 2017, 04:27:59 PM
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Have updated the list up to 1981, what seems like the last year of the band's 20 year streak of recording new material with some regularity until the '85 album sessions. There is a LOT to go through here, sorry if it's too unwieldy in it's detail. Good to have a conjoined list of all this wonderful and mysterious music, reading some highlights here gets me really excited for the future of this group, seems like we're definitely gonna be seeing this stuff start to trickle out soon enough. Let me know if I'm missing anything/gotten anything wrong, there's a lot to go through.
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