https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oUVQcO3DcY

Love this.

A FB friend got an excellent 85%. But some of the questons rely on seeing various films and so on.

One person on Brian's website scored 95%! Sign of a misspent youth? I ask waspishly lol!

I scored 75% with  lots of lucky guesswork involved  
Didn't cheat either !

Brilliant score! RESPECT.

Must admit it would have been easier for me had I seen the American TV things cited.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/beach-boys-trivia-worlds-hardest-quiz-1235408052/

It is pretty tough. I got 65% but TBH I guessed a few - some correctly.  I didn't cheat though!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx_WKwfNtzI

Love this one.

Very bad decision from Frank, if he made it. Those two numbers would have become MASTERPIECES, sung by him with his orchestra behind.
One of the too many instances when people did not trust Brian's genius, and Music suffered as a result.

Most people, even "fans", do just lipservice to Pet Sounds and "the hits", and listen with ears stuffed to everything else Brian did, especially anything from his "solo career", and its whereabouts. Look, for a sterling example, at the audience reaction, or lack of it, to Al & C's "Love You" live. They seem zombies.

There is a reason I post only here... here is the ONLY place where most people seem to really GET Brian (and the Beach Boys, really). WHY he was a genius. WHY the BBs were a great band, maybe the greatest. Hint: not for "I Get Around", good song and #1 hit as it is. Elsewhere they don't... too stuck with the damn "commercial appeal", the damn rankings, and the non-musical trivia, minutiae and gossip. They seem to have, mostly, the artistic sensibility of a ton of cast iron.

Just my Brianista's half-cent, of course.

I so agree.

I posted this recently on FB: 'Coincidentally I checked out a video about Mozart's Infinite Canon. Bear with me! 'A canon is like a round...like Frere Jacques or Row, row the boat....what makes this Infinite Canon.. extraordinary is that each voice comes in on a different pitch ...so what can happen if you're super-clever, you can start with the first voice..and the second voice can come in on another pitch, third voice on another pitch and so on... but you've got to be super-clever because working out the counterpoint... is very, very challenging. Not challenging for Mozart because he had a super brain...'
This is why Brian is compared to Mozart. This is why Brian is called a genius.'

It is interesting that both examples cited (Frere Jacques and Row, row the boat') have been used by Brian. Interesting but not surprising.
Also interesting that this canon idea goes with the 'eternal now' quote Brian made.

Forgive me if i've already posted this.

And I agree, it's unfortunate that some of the audiences don't appreciate some of Brian's work enough. They have been sold a particular image of Beach Boys' music and it's the summer, fun idea that some seem to like best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFPEAR9McMo

These are great!

Found this very moving.  The lyrics take on new significance. 'I need to take this fear and force it down. And just accept that you are not around.' i"ll put my Brian Loves you album on and cry my blues away.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYHxS-rhVgg

Another from 'Void'. I'd heard some but not all of it before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYEYt8tkMq8

Haven't heard all of this in this version either.

Well worth a listen. Brian sounding raw, profound and soulful, especially in Oh Lord.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bli9A_8RKVg

Regarding Nick Kent, not sure his account of events can be trusted. One of those he mentioned told me personally that her only experience of Kent was stepping over him when he was llying on the floor!

Fair but at least with regard to his Brian chapter, I didnt really see any original research or new anecdotes. He just kinda reiterates the SMiLE legend highlights from the primary sources. I think hes guilty of just repeating what we already know than making up wild claims.

Also genuine question but what books are there that are considered trustworthy?

I think the best thing is to read as widely as possible but the ones I'd particularly trust are the books by David Leaf and also 'Catch a Wave: The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Beach Boys' Brian Wilson by Peter Ames Carlin. And of course for details of the music, Inside the Music of Brian Wilson by Philip Lambert. But some of the fiction is worth a read too - particularly Paul Quarrington's Whale Music, which is so insightful.

And another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txy0P2tfJfk

Regarding Nick Kent, not sure his account of events can be trusted. One of those he mentioned told me personally that her only experience of Kent was stepping over him when he was llying on the floor!

According to the discredited WIBN "auto"biography, Brian forced himself on Barbara while tripping on acid the second time. So that's something.

As you wrote:  "discredited".

It is interesting to me that in Til I Die, Brian had verses for water, earth and air. None for fire.

Ironic that he got a Grammy for the Fire Music.

I'm sure most will have seen it. Well worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwMvvyS338I

Art That Shook the World: Pet Sounds.

Sorry posted twice. Wouldn't accept first time - and then it did.

The Steven Gaines book may be icky at times, but it's pretty accurate. I don't think the Rocky/Marilyn situation was completely fabricated, and it certainly went down before the divorce because Pamplin was out of the picture by the time their divorce was finalized.

Every fan is of course going to make their own decision about how much they want to delve into the personal lives of these people, but the point at which you pick up any sort of biography or autobiography of any of these people, you have to know you're going to get some degree of the personal stuff.

I personally don't need to put my fingers in my ears when the icky stuff starts to come up. Rocky Pamplin was a slimy dude across the board. But he unfortunately was there for a period of time and had information and details pertinent to that era. And, some of the people who brought him into their lives were knowingly bringing a slimy dude into the situation.

And, as seedy and dysfunctional as the Rocky situation was at times, the more salacious version of those stories is far from the darkest story involving the Beach Boys over the years. There's stuff that hasn't even been published that's far more icky in my opinion.

And also, these are human beings, who sometimes made bad decisions or did questionable things.

I'm in agreement with all of the above. When you follow a 'celebrity' or any famous person inevitably lots of personal information comes out. Even famous historical people have their private lives discussed in detail. And though none of our business, of course it is interesting if we have followed the stories.  No doubt there is more that is even worse and perhaps some of that will come out. In a way, I hope not. Rock stars often had and still have colourful private lives and we should also remember the saying 'judge not lest ye be judged'.

"Citation needed." Wikipedia can be a good starting point for research or a summary on a topic; but I don't trust it completely in this particular instance, because I am inclined to believe Marilyn's account, but not Pamplin's. (Yes, I've read his book.)

But the way I heard the story many years ago, it was at least supposed to take place after Marilyn and Brian separated, if not legally divorced.

I don't particularly trust what I've read either but I have read before that there was an alleged affair. I'm also not entirely convinced that Marilyn had no problems with Brian's feelings about Diane. I've read other things about that too.  Of course, really none of it is any of our business.

Rocky claims a fling with Marilyn, but Marilyn says not true. In any case, the timing of the alleged fling was post-divorce.

From Wikipedia: 'Pamplin joined the band American Spring for one year in 1977.[citation needed] The band was fronted by Marilyn Wilson, with whom Pamplin was having an affair'....

Brian and Marilyn divorced in 1979.

Both Brian and Marilyn had relationships outside their marriage. Wasn't Marilyn involved with Rocky Pamplin at some point?

It's strange how Brian seemed to find some kind of security in relationships with family members. Not just romantic relationships but various kinds It didn't always work out well.

I think this title says it all: 'You need a mess of help to stand alone'. Brian was worried about his responsibility to his band who were family and friends. There was the record company. The departure of his collaborator. Difficulty in sequencing. And the knowledge that there was competition. These things all contributed.  Some have tried to play down the negative contribution of some band members. But some of that is on record.

I heard a wonderful and rather short vocals only of Child is Father of the man with the very high key baby voice.  Described as ...'spooky surf'.  Also H&V - though vocals only isn't entirely accurate. There was the sound of a bell tolling. Rather odd.

Boy thats gotta be the strangest single-post SS user Ive ever seen. Huh.

Also, nice to see other people who don't believe the "song is love and the children know the way" lyric is vintage. The SU wiki quotes Reily saying it was vintage 66 Brian but I just don't believe it. I've always thought if that were the case, that's what Brian would sing in the various instances where he recorded the song during the SMiLE sessions. Plus, it just sounds too...preachy...to come from Brian.

I believe Jack Rieley stated he'd added the coda lyric which was added after Brian Wilson, Carl Wilson, and engineer Stephen Desper completed the coda. I believe there was a story about them doing this in Brian's home and Brian racing downstairs when he heard them and having this in his memory so I'm assuming he perhaps had part of the melody from the coda. I'm going from memory too so sorry if I've got any of this wrong.  It doesn't scan very well perhaps: 'the children know THE way'.

Some of the stuff online seems to be incorrect . Brian sang handsome mannered baton and I'm guessing this is s a VDP pun.  Red Baton = Baton Rouge.