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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds 50 track listing on: June 18, 2016, 08:16:25 AM
sounds great and really incomplete.  Enjoyable and then frustrating not having the rest of the parts there.

Maybe they are going to release a 100% true-stereo version in October for the 50th anniversary of GV...

Let's hope so. In the meantime, I'm throwing an old mix of mine from a few years ago out there: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a93nh01df7xdh7z/The%20Beach%20Boys%20-%20Good%20Vibrations.mp3?dl=0

To me, it's the closest to true stereo out there (better than the Derry Fitzgerald mix from the remaster, which was very impressive). Terrei's mix is very good too though. I should re-do mine with the new GV track, though I don't know if it'll make it any better because of the fake stereo doubling added to most of the vocals.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: DYLW was part of Heroes on: February 25, 2016, 05:50:43 AM
Just listened back to back Vigotone bootleg (track 24) and this "acetate".
Sounds same, at least to me! Maybe I have wrong ears!  Grin

I agree with Nile, sounds the same to me.

Great bootleg though, some bits on there have never appeared elsewhere. Like the Good Vibrations rough mix with some scatters of the vocals from the final version.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: DYLW was part of Heroes on: February 23, 2016, 06:56:05 PM
Ok, just to clarify, the first video I linked with BC preceding the verse is the only edit that might be vintage. All the rest are probably the dude's own fan edits. At least, that's what I think.

This one? https://vimeo.com/155754389

That's just track 23 straight off the old Vigotone SMiLE vinyl. Bosco82 pointed out he heard the "acetate" bits on there, I decided to check and it sounds exact the same. Not just the same takes, but the same speed offset, same noise level, same bass boost in the right channel and treble boost in the left channel, everything in terms of sound quality is the same. No acetate here folks.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: MiC up for order on Amazon, August release on: August 31, 2013, 09:21:49 AM
I really love what they've done with "Don't Go Near the Water". First time I've been able to listen to it without cringing!  Cheesy
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smile Reference Threads / Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread... on: May 11, 2013, 08:42:17 AM
Could someone please tell me who says:

"Not for us now!" on All Summer Long (All Summer Long)
Dennis.
I think that was determined to be Brian.
Hmmm...sounds like Mike to me (going from memory here).
It sounds like Dennis slightly, but yes, it is Mike - there is some nasality factor in that tiny bit.

Sounds like Brian to me.

Sounds like Brian to me aswell, I tried isolating his vocal here:  http://tomwollaert.be/NotForUsNow.mp3

Quite clearly sounds like Brian, the "now" in particular reminds me instantly of the vocals only version of WIBN.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 02, 2013, 01:50:24 PM
Am I the first one who has noticed that the "Summer Love Songs" version of "Time to Get Alone" is missing the "s" on "Screaming down the mountain side"? Really odd.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Today and Summer Days stereo remixes on: January 03, 2013, 01:30:36 PM
I'd love to go through all of these, but I don't have the time. Two notes though:


2. Amusement Parks USA – New mix - stereo vocals, mono track, like the SOT, but something horrible happened to the sound of the 2012 mix - The vocals are distorted and sound “phasey” in places, the song sounds bad – either there was tape damage since the SOT was done or the transfer was messed up by bad tape heads or something.  The SOT is crystal clear and sounds beautiful, although the familiar problem with the tracking volume being too low relative to the vocals is present.  The SOT is also missing some vocal overdubs in the “special effects” section, specifically the “Is it Real” and “looks like a fake” comments.  I’d have to take the SOT mix over the new release just for the sound quality issues.

The SOT one isn't just missing bridge overdubs (not to mention Brian's high pitched screams), it's a whole different vocal multitrack altogether. Completely different takes for the vocals, with some noticeably different lyrics.


6. Help Me Rhonda single version – New extraction mix.  Odd that we need an extraction mix – Capitol Punishment has a mono vocal only track and a nice stereo mix of the backing track (the latter is also on SOT), but lacking the piano in the break.  Combine those, and you can get a very nice stereo mix.  Tapes must be missing from the BRI vaults.  Or they couldn’t just “extract” the piano from the single version and add it back into the track for some reason.  Extraction mix has guitars split R and L, saxes on the R.  The guitar on the R sounds like it’s being played in a well – perhaps an artifact of the extraction process?  The SOT stereo mix has  backing vocals slightly L, rest of the track is slightly R, again with no piano in the break.

People underestimate just how much of "Help Me, Rhonda" is missing from the multitracks. Here's a rundown of how I believe the song was been constructed (feel free to correct the details):

The backing track was recorded on a 3- or 4-track. Probably a 4-track. Upon dubbing it to mono for the vocal multitrack, the lead guitar we know and love was overdubbed. I think this was overdubbed straight onto that mono track, seeing as both Stack-O-Tracks and SOT have it solely mixed with the rest of the backing in mono. Not exactly a strong case to build upon, but yet this is what I conclude. Yes, Derry FitzGerald's stereo mix has that guitar separated, but he also has the bass guitar from the mono separated so that says nothing about the multitracks. Then the vocals were overdubbed onto two tracks for each vocal overdub, filling up the rest of what I guess is a 3-track.

Then Brian went on to create the mono. Directly overdubbed onto the mono are the following, done in one mixing session:

1) The additional bass guitar in the intro and outtro playing what sounds like hammer-ons. It also accompanies the piano in the bridge.
2) Additional "Pow pow pow pow"s by Mike in the choruses and occasionally in the verses.
3) A piano that plays during the bridge and under the final chorus vocals.
4) The guitar solo during the bridge and under the final chorus vocals. I think this guitar one also doubles the bass guitar in the intro and outtro.

This is why they chose for an extraction mix, because there's so much things missing from the multitracks to create a stereo mix that matches the mono. Yes, there are stereo vocals. Yes, there's a stereo backing and a mono backing with an additional guitar from the mono. But that still leaves out a whole lot from the hit record.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Wrong credits on the new \ on: January 02, 2013, 05:13:33 PM
Dudn't bother me.  Does it bother you?

Not at all, I just don't appreciate the idea of not-crediting a composer in a song, even if it's not a standout in a album. I bet if it happened to Brian you guys would be really angry...

Happened to him on MIU.  "Kona Coast" uses parts of "Hawaii," but Brian didn't get a writing credit on it.

And "Little Bird", while obviously using the chorus from "Child is Father of the Man", doesn't have a Brian credit either.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why Do Fools Fall In Love (single version) on: December 26, 2012, 03:39:40 AM
That mono's just running too fast all the way through, including the intro. The handclaps at the end were overdubbed straight onto the mono and are just missing from the stereo.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most Blatant Rip-off of a BB Song to Make the Singles Charts? on: December 17, 2012, 05:54:19 PM
This one wouldn't have existed without BWPS and Pet Sounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqDBB0no6dQ

Though it's more of an homage.
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