i might.... got a sick kid that may derail our plans for tomorrow. where are you based?

has anyone received theirs yet? i ordered within 6-8 hours of the control/bw TLOS minisite went live and i still haven't received anything... just curious.

some things in the store have changed just since last night - initially, the LP pic was actually the MAD sleeve, which was corrected when i ordered today, and last night the LP was listed for $28.99, today its $22.99. i saw the link to the store at about 10pm last night... wild. MAD single looks cool though, and i hope i ordered in time to get one, autographed or not.

how long has that storefront been up? long enough for the 2500 MAD 7" to be gone?

right on - but wasn't it stated somewhere (maybe the blue) that todd is back in for this summer?

major bummer, if that's true... i read somewhere that taylor's hubby, who drums for styx, and will lee were lined up as replacements. maybe just temporary? i just don't understand the treadmill summer tour... other than generating some coin, i don't see the upside.

met bob and jim backstage in '05, and they were both really nice guys... bob introduced my friend and i to brian, which was far above the call of duty. he'll always be a legend to me for going the extra mile for us.

i don't really understand some of the hyperventilating that went on when the TLOS demos surfaced... we'd already heard two of the tracks bw.com, and the sort of people who would go to the trouble of seeking out the demos would already have heard any or all of the UK live shows that were circulating. i am one of those people, and i will be purchasing the album in a couple formats when or if it makes it to market. they have bigger issues than these demos, it sounds like... this is small potatoes, and all the wrangling and thread deleting just ends up confusing fans who will buy the final product anyway. weird.

this is all so murky... i think the lack of a clear direction post-BWPS is coming to bear now. the TLOS demos could become a really beautiful record, but the apparent band upheaval is a little disconcerting... is any of it confirmed?

i agree... having a go at brian is where they really show their true colors. those types of comments come from insecurity and/or jealousy. mike and bruce should be banned from even _using the word_ creativity until they can get an album released. thing is, they probably can't unless the words 'brian' and 'wilson' are on the package, hence your rude comments. like i said in a previous post, we should be laughing this off due to the completely ludicrous nature of the men making the comments, but i can't let it go...haha. i think they actually believe the sh*t they say, which really bothers me too.

mike has earned his rep in most cases, and he has only himself to thank for a lot of people, BB fans or not, thinking he's a complete turd. but mike also deserves credit for all the lyrics he wrote with and for brian, and leading the band through some rough times... he's always been the beach boys biggest fan, right or wrong. and yes, he is cheesy beyond belief... part of the package, and we take it for what it is. bruce, while he has made 'contributions' to the beach boys, has given the least, and no amount of revisionist history or current 'beach boys' service time gives him the right to question or criticize anything brian wilson does creatively. the fact that brian writes, records and releases music sort of wins that argument... i'm still waiting for bruce's magnus opus.

i've said it before, but bruce is such a tool... he's really irrelevant to anything i like about the beach boys, and he is far more annoying to me personally than mike. yes, he is justified in saying that mike gets an unfair amount of criticism sometimes, but he sounds like the company man that he is. some of the stick mike gets he has earned with flying colors. i hope bruce is joking with his disney comment... that coming from the guy who wrote disney girls... he IS nostalgia.

mike cracks me up with his "i like touring better than recording" comment... you think? haha... you wouldn't be milking that cow you're so proud of if _someone_ didn't like recording. it seems like it should go without saying, and i'm sure most people are laughing it off, but bruce's dismissal of BWPS and contention that mike fronts a better band than brian? do they really believe that?

mike is unjustly despised, and he deserves some measure of credit for leading the beach boys charge since the seventies, but good chunks of both interviews are pure comedy. it doesn't make it right, but that's why so many people, including many blueboarders, hate the guy and his lackey.

Brian and Mike do have a relationship they should work on. But not necessarily music. Brian has always worked with multiple people. Mike has always needed Brian to do his best. Thus, Mike has always been jealous of others who want to work with him. But as cousins, and friends, and bandmates, I think BW and ML have a lot in common. The magic, the spark, is still there. But it's the magic and spark of family -- not top-10 recording artists. They should work on that and let the music take care of itself.

i agree... well said and shorter than my post...haha. a repaired relationship would mean more than what would almost surely be a struggle of a collaboration.

part of me is curious to see if they've all learned some lessons over the years and could marshal resources into making really worthy beach boys music, but at the end of the day, with no carl and no dennis, it isn't the beach boys. there are so many potholes in that road, and so few possible rewards at the end of it. brian is my main concern, and all appears to be well, or as well as it can be, with him. creatively, there are pros and cons with all of brian's collaborators, but i'm holding out great hope for TLOS, based on the live presentation. it seems to me that it could be his best true solo album, post BB.

i may be called a hater for this, but i'm actually more of a bruce johnston detractor than a mike love detractor... mike, regardless of some of his shady opinions and actions, has contributed greatly to the beach boys story, with and without brian... the quality of some of those contributions, well, that's up to personal tastes. i feel like bruce johnston is simply a politician who has sided up with the right people at the right times to remain in the beach boys team photo, and has nothing to offer the band creatively. i've always lifted the proverbial leg on his songs, which stick out like syrupy, sugary sore thumbs amongst the other band members' tracks, in my opinion. he doesn't belong anywhere near any imagined beach boys reunion, and when you're plugging in bruce, but don't have the balance of carl or dennis, that's a wrong turn.

but you know he would be one of the prime movers, and that's an indication it should probably be left alone... mike and bruce can do their thing. no one is depriving them of the right to tour as "the beach boys". i do wish al and david could be part of something permanent or a larger collective, but they aren't shy of work or love from the BB community. as for brian, he is, as some others have pointed out, gaining some respect and recognition at this point in his life that i'm not so sure would have come his way if he were still tied in with mike and the baywatch band, whether that is right or wrong. a lot of people in the industry have a negative opinion of mike love, some well-earned, some not. for everything he and brian could offer each other, i have the feeling that it would eventually degenerate into past mike-brian stuff, which has been a sore point for the better part of the last 40 years, so why open that contentious wound again? i'm not sure any end would justify the means in terms of quality or trouble.

any actual product would likely receive bottom-drawer treatment... the record industry isn't exactly a boomtown these days... i can see "walmart exclusive" all over it (apologies to any eagles fans). all i'm saying is that a reunion would be flying in the face of good sense and history... they should leave it alone. if relationships could be repaired, that would be gratifying to fans, i guess, but what are the odds of people changing the essence of who they are? when a person behaves a certain way consistently for 60 years, is it reasonable to expect them to all of a sudden embrace the better angels of their character and step in for a group hug?

hi all, having some cash flow difficulties, and i'm off-loading some stuff i'd rather not... i've got a few issues of ESQ, including the carl wilson "under god" CD if anyone's interested. link is here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Beach-Boys-Brian-Wilson-fanzine-lot-ESQ-SMILE-rare-CD_W0QQitemZ130152453878QQihZ003QQcategoryZ32999QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

thanks,
john

roberts orpheum theater in st. louis... i've since found this show, but i'm still looking for the chicago 2004 smile set. one of those ones where i'm sure 5+ people were taping, but no one is sharing. i have the first half of chi 2004, and i'd love to trade for a second half.

I'm reluctantly parting with a few BB/BW items via ebay in light of some thin financial times. Just wanted to let anyone interested know... items up now are Deep Sea Treasures 1 & 2 CDs, a single lot of ESQ/BWPS CDs containing the Leaf interview disc w/ instrumental Surf's Up, good vibes single and two ESQ exclusives from BWPS. towards the end of the week, i'll be putting up wouldn't it be nice, susie cincinnati and it's OK warner/brother promo 45s, and the scarce Capitol Record Club edition pressing of Smiley Smile w/ rainbow label. My loss is someone else's gain...neat-o.

nice... i have probably half of those tracks... has anyone compiled them all as a companion to bwps? it would be a nice companion piece...

does anyone have a complete list of all the bonus material released to promote BWPS? i have some of the ESQ instrumental tracks, the instrumental surf's up... has anyone put it all together?

hi all... this is my twice-yearly troll for the two Smile shows i attended, chicago 10-2-04 and st. louis 8-24-05. my friend who went with me to chicago '04 recorded a really, really nice first half of that show, but had a problem with his rig and lost the second half... a long, sad sob story.

anyway, i'm really hoping to work a trade for these shows, but i've had no luck in tracking them down. the st. louis show in particular featured gestapo-style security, so i was glad i wasn't under the gun taping in the third row.

please email me at johna@bnymca.org and i'll send my list along... i'm always up for lossless beach boys trading, particularly early seventies shows. thanks...

john