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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and a move towards an authentic pop musical vocabulary
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on: July 30, 2021, 04:25:21 AM
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And it's very much not about looking "academ-ish" -- it is about contributing to history's understanding of the music that I love, in a meaningful way, and in a way that has staying power.
That's why I've said "you could write what you want". From my viewpoint, a solid paper or a book devoted to a musical matter is better to be a "pop" one than an "academia" one, but if you prefer the latter, your work should have just enough of recognizable features like references to other such works, and the content which is the most important thing would be of your choice.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New book: Hollywood Eden
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on: May 29, 2021, 08:21:19 AM
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As a collector of pop-rock music books on a wide variety of subjects, I think I've seen it all: books where authors stated that their work is deliberately filled with mistakes so to catch plagiators; books where it was the same except authors did not warn of this; books by some well-known publishing houses which were dictated by authors to tape with the sad result of some clueless transcriber putting their false interpretations of people's names to paper and nobody responsible for checking the results; etc etc. So, if a noted author like Selvin made just several mistakes, even of this kind, over what is a typical "Selvin book" (chock-full of interesting information, that is), I'll happily take it.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Comprehensive SMiLE list?
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on: May 27, 2021, 07:01:26 AM
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----------------------------------------- VERSE REHEARSALS [2] BRIDGE REHEARSALS [4] --- VERSE REHEARSALS [2] VERSE/CHORUS TAKES 1-7 --- VERSE/CHORUS TAKE 7 (CONT.) VERSE / CHORUS TAKE 8 VERSE/CHORUS UNCALLED TAKE (VERSE?)/CHORUS UNCALLED TAKE (VERSE?)/CHORUS TAKES 10-13 --- VERSE/CHORUS UNCALLED TAKES [4] VERSE/CHORUS TAKES 23-26 --- VERSE/CHORUS TAKE 27 --- FREE JAZZ IMPROVISATION --- BASS REHEARSAL PIECE BASS/PIANO REHEARSAL PIECES [2] BASS/PIANO/HARPSICHORD REHEARSAL PIECE BRIDGE 2 REHEARSAL --- BRIDGE 2 REHEARSALS [2] --- BRIDGE 2 REHEARSALS [6] --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 1 --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 2 BRIDGE 2 TAKE 3 BRIDGE 2 TAKE 4 --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 5 --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 6 --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 7 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION 1? --- VERSE/CHORUS REHEARSAL VERSE/CHORUS TAKE 44 SLATED AS TAKE 9 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION 1 --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 7 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION 2? --- VERSE/CHORUS TAKE 44 SLATED AS TAKE 9 (MASTER)?, OVERDUB VARIATION 2 ----------------------------------------- VERSE TRYOUT CHORUS REHEARSALS [2] VERSE/CHORUS REHEARSALS [2] --- VERSE/CHORUS TAKES 1-4 VERSE/CHORUS TAKE 5 VERSE/CHORUS TAKES 6-11 VERSE/CHORUS TAKE 13 --- VERSE/CHORUS TAKE 19 (?) (MASTER) --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 1 --- BRIDGE 2 TRYOUT BRIDGE 2 TAKES 2-7 --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 14 (MASTER) ----------------------------------------- ORGAN TRYOUT BRIDGE 2 VERSION 1 REHEARSALS [2] BRIDGE 2 VERSION 1 REHEARSALS [5] --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 1 PIANO BASS TRACK TAKES 1-5 --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 1 PIANO BASS TRACK TAKES 6-14 BRIDGE 2 VERSION 1 PIANO BASS TRACK TAKE 15 --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 REHEARSAL --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 REHEARSAL --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 REHEARSALS [2] --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 THE SMILE SESSIONS BOX SET EDIT OF REHEARSAL PIECE AND TAKE 1 --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 UNKNOWN TAKE (TAKE 2?) --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 TAKE 3 --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 TAKE 4 --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 TAKE 5 --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 TAKE 6 --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 TAKE 7 BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 TAKE 8 (MASTER) --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 TAKE 8 (MASTER), HARMONICA OVERDUB --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 TAKE 8 (MASTER), FIRST VOCAL OVERDUB --- BRIDGE 2 VERSION 2 TAKE 8 (MASTER), SECOND VOCAL OVERDUB -----------------------------------------
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Comprehensive SMiLE list?
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on: May 27, 2021, 06:58:42 AM
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----------------------------------------- REHEARSAL CHORUS REHEARSALS [2] FIRST CHORUS UNKNOWN SESSION TAKE FIRST CHORUS TAKE 21 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION 1 --- FADE REHEARSALS [2] --- SECOND CHORUS & FADE REHEARSAL SECOND CHORUS & FADE TAKE 1(1) SECOND CHORUS & FADE TAKES 1(2)-4(1) SECOND CHORUS & FADE TAKE 4(2) --- SECOND CHORUS & FADE TAKE 5 SECOND CHORUS & FADE TAKE 6 SECOND CHORUS & FADE TAKE 7 --- SECOND CHORUS & FADE TAKE 8 (MASTER), OVERDUB B? VARIATION 1 --- FIRST CHORUS TAKE 21 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION 2 --- SECOND CHORUS & FADE TAKE 8 (MASTER), OVERDUB B? VARIATION 2 ----------------------------------------- CHORUS TAKE 1 CHORUS TAKE 2 CHORUS TAKE 3 CHORUS TAKE 4 CHORUS TAKE 5 CHORUS TAKE 11 (?), EDIT CHORUS TAKE 12 (?) CHORUS TAKE 17 --- CHORUS TAKE 18 CHORUS TAKE 19 CHORUS TAKE 20 CHORUS TAKE 21 (MASTER, NO IDEA IF OVERDUBBED) --- STUDIO TALK (from Best Summers Of Our Lives) --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 1 BRIDGE 2 TAKE 2 --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 3 BRIDGE 2 TAKE 4 BRIDGE 2 TAKE 5 --- CHORUS 3 TAKE 4 --- CHORUS 3 TAKES 5-6 CHORUS 3 TAKE 7 BRIDGE 2 (MASTER TAKE 9) INTO CHORUS 3 (MASTER TAKE Eight), OVERDUB VARIATION 1? --- CHORUS FADE TAKES 1-2 CHORUS FADE TAKE 3 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION 1 --- CHORUS TAKE 21 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION? --- BRIDGE 2 (MASTER TAKE 9) INTO CHORUS 3 (MASTER TAKE Eight), OVERDUB VARIATION 2? --- CHORUS FADE TAKE 3 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION 2? ----------------------------------------- PART C (BRIDGE 2) REHEARSALS [3] --- PART C (BRIDGE 2) TAKE 1(1) PART C (BRIDGE 2) TAKE 1(2) --- PART C (BRIDGE 2) TAKE 1(3) PART C (BRIDGE 2) TAKE 1(4) --- PART C (BRIDGE 2) TAKES 2-3 PART C (BRIDGE 2) TAKE 9 SLATED AS TAKE 4, OVERDUB VARIATION 1? --- CHORUS REHEARSAL CHORUS TAKE 1 --- CHORUS TAKE 2 (?) CHORUS TAKE 3 CHORUS TAKE 7 --- CHORUS TAKE 15 CHORUS TAKE 16 CHORUS TAKE 17 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION? --- FADE SEQUENCE TAKE 1 FADE SEQUENCE TAKES 2-7 FADE SEQUENCE TAKE 8 (slated? as TAKE 15) --- FADE SEQUENCE TAKE 9 (MASTER), OVERDUB VARIATION? --- PART C (BRIDGE 2) TAKE 9 SLATED AS TAKE 4, OVERDUB VARIATION 2? ----------------------------------------- BRIDGE 2 FUZZ BASS TRYOUT BRIDGE 2 BAND TRYOUT BRIDGE 2 UNKNOWN TAKES (TAKE 3(?) and (?)) --- BRIDGE 2 TAKE 22 (MASTER), OVERDUBBED --- CHORUS 2 TAKE 21 (MASTER), OVERDUBBED CHORUS 3 TAKE 18 (MASTER), OVERDUBBED --- CHORUS FADE TAKE 1 CHORUS FADE TAKE 2 (MASTER; NO IDEA IF OVERDUBBED) -----------------------------------------
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Comprehensive SMiLE list?
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on: May 27, 2021, 06:56:38 AM
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Don't know if there'll be such a list, as we haven't seen one since 2011 - it takes a lot of research, and probably the folks who did this don't want to bother with publishing, because the amount of effort is huge and the reward is not ( and of course, people would be glad to buy such a book). Anyway, I'll start the ball rolling. Here's my interpretation of the session tapes sequence for "Good Vibrations", based on what's available. Does not include the mixes prepared from these tapes by anybody, as it's another can of worms - only the material recorded during the sessions and what we have of the masters made.
With thanks to the creators of "SMiLE Inventory" and the documentation on TSS. Both SOT UM Vol. 15 and TSS present the (cut) tapes in chronological order, with just slight deviations, so it's possible to create something like this sequence. However, this is not an easy task, and the placement of certain bits of studio talk and noises can be interpreted in different ways, because available tapes are cut. That's why I said it's my interpretation of the session tapes sequence.
All sessions are demarcated by the longer dashed lines. Short dashed lines demarcate "tracks" which are based in general on SOT UM Vol. 15, but in some cases not. "Overdub variation" means one cannot be sure that the complete overdub is presented on the known tapes, and different mixes are available - the idea is to present the undubbed master and the overdubbed (to whatever degree is possible) master. Take numbers are based on what's called on the session tapes. Many takes are false starts, or even worse, are cut on tapes. This sequence is a draft as I'd like to fine-tune certain things, otherwise I'd give the playing time.
GOOD VIBTATIONS - SESSION TAPES SEQUENCE
----------------------------------------- TAKE 1 TAKES 2-9 TAKE 10 TAKE 11 TAKES 12-15(1) --- TAKE 15(2) --- TAKE 16 --- TAKES 17-19 TAKE 20 TAKES 21, 23, 24(1-2) --- TAKE 24(3) --- INSERT: REHEARSALS FOR THE CONCLUSIVE PART [7] (last one thought to be Take 25 by the engineer?) --- TAKES 25-26 TAKE 27 --- TAKE 28 (MASTER) --- PARTIAL TAKE 28 (MASTER), OVERDUB TAKE 1A --- PARTIAL TAKE 28 (MASTER) WITH VOCAL AND INSTRUMENTAL OVERDUBS ----------------------------------------- TAKE 1 --- TAKE 2 --- TAKE 3 TAKE 4 --- TAKE 5 TAKES 6-19 TAKE 20 TAKES 21-22 --- TAKE 23 --- TAKES 24-25 --- TAKE 26 (MASTER) -----------------------------------------
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Anniversary of Event that influenced a Beach Boy song
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on: May 05, 2021, 05:47:32 PM
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Three at least.
The Doors - "Dead Cats, Dead Rats" (Jim Morrison) - "Absolutely Live" (1970), recorded on May 8th in Detroit.
Dead cats, dead rats Can't see what they were at, all right Dead cat in a top hat, wow Sucking on the young man's blood Wishing he could come, yeah Sucking on the soldier's brain Wishing it would be the same Dead cat, dead rat Can't you see what they were at? Fat cat in a top hat Thinks he's an aristocrat Thinks he can kill and slaughter Thinks he can shoot my daughter Yeah right! Oh yeah! Oh right! Yeeah! Dead cats, dead rats Think they're an aristocrat Crap, now that's crap!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Czechoslovakia concerts in 1969
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on: March 27, 2021, 05:37:36 PM
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There is a book by Dick Heckstall-Smith, the saxophonist from Colosseum, "The Safest Plece in the World", which has the first-hand account of a working musician; it includes some BB-related anecdotes like having to rely on a battery from a Soviet tank for their PA, and a rather huge section on a socio-political analysis - but it must be said that he was a "tankie".
Thanks so much! I had never heard of this so will check it out. The latest edition from 2004 is called "Blowing the Blues: Fifty Years Playing the British Blues".
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Czechoslovakia concerts in 1969
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on: March 23, 2021, 03:39:12 PM
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There is a book by Dick Heckstall-Smith, the saxophonist from Colosseum, "The Safest Plece in the World", which has the first-hand account of a working musician; it includes some BB-related anecdotes like having to rely on a battery from a Soviet tank for their PA, and a rather huge section on a socio-political analysis - but it must be said that he was a "tankie".
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was a Beatles-like career arc ever possible for the Beach Boys?
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on: February 11, 2021, 04:24:17 PM
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I became aware of The Beatles' music about 40 years ago - they were, like, my father's generation. It was obvious to me right from the start that their early music, even not as advanced as the later works, had that electrifying quality. In fact, that word is astutely mentioned in the subtitle of some North American LP of theirs, The Second Album (I am used to the UK discography). As for The Beach Boys' music, much as I love them - my first experience of them was about 10 years later, Carl and the Passions / So Tough album, and my first thought was, "What is that sh*t?", but amazingly, I got sucked into that album, knowing already it was their weakest from the early era - it does not have that innate electrifying quality, even though, of course, it has many other most splendid qualities. For the early rock, The Beatles simply were IT.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains format/versions
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on: January 31, 2021, 05:24:12 PM
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I don't know if this has been proposed here, but in my opinion, Brian lacked a strong chorus, and whatever sequences there may be, they do not resemble a proper hit song because of this. IMO he should have worked on the "Bicycle Rider" thing.
Another thing - probably he did not want to build up anything resembling a hit (with a proper chorus in place) because of the problems with Capitol. So he worked on the song, but he wasn't working on the hit.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mono Basic Track Mixes Used For Columbia 8-Track Overdubs
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on: December 13, 2020, 03:16:02 PM
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I think I've found a good example of a most famous master recorded on a partially erased tape. The Doors, "Light My Fire". At the very start, roughly 5 seconds in, a female voice says something like "appeasingly". It's heard most clearly in the single mono mix, and (less so) in the mono mix. Stereo mix has it as well, but it's really subtle there. This means, it's on the 4-track master. Though it was the mono mix that was paid the most attention by Paul Rothchild and Bruce Botnick, they weren't able to do much in mono. There is also unique stereo remix from the 4-track master made by Steve Hoffman, on the Audio Fidelity 2014 release "Legends / Get It On". This subliminal thing is still there, but oh-so-subtly. (Haven't checked yet the "Perception" remix by Bruce Botnick, as I am aware that some subtle noises are cleaned there.) We know now it isn't Carol, as she recognised the fact herself 
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Streaming Versus Physical Product And A New Beatles Deluxe Book...
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on: September 18, 2020, 06:02:33 PM
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I invest in books heavily. The market for physical books is alive and well. Yes there are authors who went the e-book route, either for new editions or entirely (Stephen MacParland is the obvious example regarding the BBs, but otherwise he'd have to sell physical books from his native Australia, and this is pretty much a problem). But their number is few, while an amazing number of music books is being printed, either as HB or PB, both by renowned publishing houses and by the "self-publishing" outlets, the scope is amazing. A month ago, I was not able to buy a deluxe edition of a book on Hawkwind. Numbered at 500, it sold out as soon as it was announced to go "live", within days - at 50 GBP, at that! http://strangeattractor.co.uk/shoppe/hawkwind-days-of-the-underground/The deluxe edition offered a very good value for money in the guise of a bonus book. As for the music releases, it all depends on the mindset of band members / management. Like, The Doors passed at issuing the promised multi-disc of "L.A. Woman" sessions back in 2011, while during the same time The Velvet Underground issued each of their 4 studio albums as multi-disc set, and then even more. It's good that we've got "The Smile Sessions". I remember some people were complaining back at the time that this box is too pricey for them. Yet, were this material to appear in the '90s, it'd have been snapped like hot cakes. In my opinion, the labels shoot themselves in the foot by steering off the '90s model when a multi-disc box sold at what, $60 for 5 CDs? yes those weren't "deluxe" but in no way less classy.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beatles First Audition Tape at Abbey Road FOUND - Emerick Family Legal Battle
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on: June 14, 2020, 07:51:03 AM
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First, and foremost: The article clearly states VIDEO and cites people who have seen it. Quite literally, my reaction was WTF? Unless this was done and missed for almost 60 years by Beatles experts and everyone else including the band themselves, is this just a glaring king-size error in reporting to say video instead of audio? Why would EMI film an unknown band? I have to think it is *audio* of that first session. All the evidence points to it being only audio. But then again, who knew Geoff Emerick rescued such a tape from the trash for all those years? I have to think the Anthology producers including the other Beatles didn't know he had it, unless it was a well-guarded secret that stayed a secret among the true inner circle (including Neil Aspinall). Thoughts?
If there's video, it could be from the "Get Back" era, as they've played "Love Me Do" during those sessions.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mono Basic Track Mixes Used For Columbia 8-Track Overdubs
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on: June 06, 2020, 03:52:24 PM
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Most likely, the Everlys tape was disregarded / binned / whatever, because it wasn't needed by them or their producer. Erased (incompletely, as it turned out) and tossed to the heap of other such tapes. Then somehow it got picked up. And even when the unwanted sounds got onto another tape, of a valued client, that was not a huge "crime". Worst things happen in the studios - valuable tapes get mangled, erased partially or completely, just because the machines or people sometimes malfunction.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mono Basic Track Mixes Used For Columbia 8-Track Overdubs
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on: June 06, 2020, 03:33:36 PM
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Here's a scenario -- The Everly's and the Studio Musicians record You Got the Power of Love on February 3rd. Brian is around, likes the track, and asks for a dub so he can cut a mono to bring home. By the time the engineer who did Power of Love gets around to giving Brian a copy, it's about a month later. Brian brings the reel into the mixing session for the intermediate IWFTD track mix, planning to cut an acetate after he's done, and that's how it somehow accidentally gets used without getting erased.
Just as speculative as the other ways, but leaves out the byzantine process and ham-fisted engineering of some of the other hypothesis.
Such things simply weren't done. That's a violation of the very thing you value, the intellectual property. Probably a contract violation as well. Most producers/artists were against the notion that the others may get ideas from their work, so letting somebody other than producer/artist to take a copy home was the gravest violation imaginable. The asker would feel himself a fool were he to entertain the idea. The person who'd be able to make a copy for his personal use, other than the producer/artist, would be an engineer. But I doubt this would have been the case in the first half of the sixties - no general need for this and stricter workplace discipline.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mono Basic Track Mixes Used For Columbia 8-Track Overdubs
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on: June 05, 2020, 07:17:08 AM
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Again, these are pretty evidence-less assumptions. Do we really know what it would take for old tape to get reused? I imagine there was some amount of tape recycling done, but on the other hand, depending on the situation, studios may not have had the right to do that with everyone if the record company claimed ownership of all materials. That's not to say they always did, nor that intellectual property rights were always honored. The Everly's are a pretty big act, as are the Beach Boys. Would the studio really deem a Brian Wilson project "less important" and not worthy of a new reel?
I don't know the answer to any of these questions, but we can't close the book on this without better evidence.
If the tape was erased - and it was, just not perfectly - it was marked for a "lesser use", say for a recording by an unproven act, so the act could've save a bit of the money on the tape which wasn't brand new, and the studio was efficient in saving on their expenditure. The only question is, how that binned tape ended up used not by nobodys, but the BBs.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mono Basic Track Mixes Used For Columbia 8-Track Overdubs
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on: June 05, 2020, 07:12:22 AM
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The bleed-through is also present on the 8-track session tape for "IWFTD" - it's audible on the S.O.T. boot before the song starts, I just don't hear it in the final mix.
Like you, I wonder if the management allowed the engineers at Columbia futzing with the fuddy-daddy brand-new 8-track machine just to save somebody's mix...but most likely so in the case of a common 4-track one. Could it be the SOT bootleg represents the results before the Columbia session?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mono Basic Track Mixes Used For Columbia 8-Track Overdubs
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on: June 05, 2020, 07:05:00 AM
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It could be that they caught the problem at Columbia, and an engineer did a temporary alignment change of the heads on a Columbia machine, the 4-track one, so they'd be able to rid of the unwanted sound.
Huh? The unwanted sound is there on the final mix, do I don't think they got rid of it... Oh, I've meant, they caught the problem in time for "IWFTD". In what order were the songs recorded?
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