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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \
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on: April 04, 2012, 05:13:26 PM
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Where's - I can hear music?
idk but I think the Beach Boys version is far superior to the Ronnettes (sorry Phil, don't shoot me!  ) I think it's also more well known than their original version. Also, She and Him's version feels very inspired by the Beach Boys' version. The Ronettes' version was produced by Jeff Barry. Nothing to do with Phil 
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Box Set delays in Australia?
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on: November 03, 2011, 02:10:29 AM
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The chances of walking into JB hifi and walking out with a box are almost zero. The two stores in Melbourne are getting ten boxes between them and, unless you preordered it, the suburban stores won't be getting any. I hope this isn't true but a total insider told me it earlier today 
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Box Set delays in Australia?
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on: October 28, 2011, 03:28:47 PM
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The JB dude said nothing's going to be delivered on the weekend and to call back on Monday and that anyone that gives you a time that it's supposed to be in is being liberal with the truth.  The guy on the phone recognised my voice and he said 'but you'd already have everything' 
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The \
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on: October 17, 2011, 02:49:33 PM
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All the mistakes (and the Saint Etienne quotes) are totally deliberate. She's throwing in a bit of misinformation just to make you wonder. And remember the H&V parts 1 and 2 bit is from a 3rd party. Like.. Leila wasn't even in the room and doesn't comment on it. It's all B and S 
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The \
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on: October 17, 2011, 02:31:46 PM
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Weren't they streaming it? Maybe the hidden tracks weren't steamed.
Correct... but neither were the tracks from the 2nd CD of the 2CD set.  Leila said that B 'finally let her hear H&V parts 1 and 2' or something. Which makes me think it was from another source rather than the stream.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *SPOILERS* THE SMiLE SESSIONS TRACK INFORMATION THREAD
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on: October 03, 2011, 03:40:02 PM
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What I wanna see is a Coda with the lyric "The father's life is done, and the children carry on," included like it would've been in '66-7 BTW, here's a quote from Wikipedia... The newly recorded lead vocals - sung by Al Jardine over a choral backdrop featuring all the Beach Boys - were sped up by Desper for continuity purposes in an attempt to make them sound more like they did in 1966. Jack Reilly wrote those lyrics. Keep him out of it!!!!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The \
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on: October 03, 2011, 05:33:26 AM
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New Leila Revelation on The Hoffman Board Wow, what a reception, well, B warned me that fans of the original Smile can be a bit crabby… and he should know I can't believe how much got posted over the weekend! I only ever post on forums from work, wasn't anyone out enjoying the sunshine this weekend... Anyway, lunch time at work. Time for another post.
So I've been catching up with everything everyone asked since Friday afternoon. I had to show B the questions actually, he's the expert. And yes, there _is_ a reason why he's not posting here directly, but prefers to send stuff through me. But he is a real guy, his name is a bit like a shopping centre in North London. And he won't let me say any more than that! As for S, we could get him in trouble if we said any more about _his_ name, let's just say he's from north of the border. But we had a good laugh about how everyone thought what we were writing had to be BS, because my two friends are called B and S. B just said "tell 'em truth is stranger than fiction, Leila". And he's right!
It also feels like you've all been having a big laugh at how little I know what I'm talking about. Well, I know I probably didn't describe all the song names right and all that stuff, but as I said, I got taken to see smile live a few years ago and I really liked it so I bought the CD. That's the version I know, end of. I never heard any of the 60s stuff until the other night really (B bluetoothed a couple of tracks to my phone once, but I thought they sounded just like the versions from my CD, so I deleted them). After listening to the CD a bit, though, I got more curious and starting asking B questions and he told me about all the stories from when it was recorded, like the stuff with the Fire and Brian Wilson going mad and the Beatles eating carrots in the studios and all that. The thing is, the 60s are like anceint history to me, they're way before my time guys! How am I supposed to know all this stuff?
Anyway, here's what B sent to me to include in this post! I hope you enjoy the info, particularly Mr Pornmower who doesnt seem to think we exist!
Leila x
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dvakman, regarding H&V Parts I & II: I didn't get to hear that yet. I was more interested in the Sessions discs to start with, and S has H&V I and II on another stream, the one for the two-disc version, so it wasn't immediately available. I keep meaning to go back round S's for another listen, but that won't happen for a few days, as I'm busy with parliamentary work. I have asked S about it over the weekend, though. S says it's basically the old Cantina mix from the twofer, and Part 2 is basically some of the sections mix from Gee onwards. I hope to get more info on that next time I see S.
Tristero, Child Is Father of the Man is like an old mix I heard on a boot years ago, except that it opens with the same piano section as the version from the Sea Of Tunes single-disc SMiLE set. After that, it's not like BWPS at all. It's the piano section with the bass, then the chorus, then the verse, then the second chorus. And the new vocals on the second chorus are all that's different - there's an extra high descending 'Father Of The Man'. There are no verse vocals. And I didn't hear Brian's original mono mix anywhere on the set. I didn't hear the Child sessions the other day, but like Andrew Doe says, you can tell from the timings that the mono mix isn't going to be there. The Brian mono mix of Wind Chimes doesn't seem to have been used either The mix on Disc 1 (after the Holidays/Whispering winds crossfade, ugh) takes the verses from the second version re-record, but the rest of the track from the chorus onwards is from the first version, as heard on the Sea Of Tunes boots, and like BWPS. The track doesn't fade out after the tinkling piano bridge, like on Brian's mix.
Olsen - there's no cough in DYLW. That's one part you'll have to add back.
Mr Schneider (wer sind _Sie_ den uberhaupt?), I Don't Know is great, sure, but it's short and sounds like it was supposed to be a bridge or an edit fragment for something else to me. Like Lonely Days was, probably
Jeff64 and CelticBob: the piano from the November 66 H&V demo is still in Great Shape and Barnyard, and it's Very obvious when it disappears, which is one of the reasons I don't like it. It's worse on Barnyard than on Shape because there's already some piano on Shape for it to join in with. There's no piano on Barnyard so when it goes, you really notice it afterwards!
Michael Papelian - there are different versions of "Bells and Whistles" on the set, including the early one from the Heroes and Villains sessions, but I didn't hear a Bells and Whistles version of With Me Tonight. In fact there's only one version of With Me Tonight on this set, and I don't know which one it is yet. I didn't hear any toothbrushing sounds on Vega-Tables either…
Buddhat - Great Shape and barnyard are sort of joined via the tape explosion, but it never gets as big and 'explody' as it did on the Cantina mix of H&V and on some of the three takes of Great Shape that made it out on boot, nor is there a crossfade between them. Great shape sort of half goes into a weaker explosion, then fades, and then Barnyard starts.
Jeff64, having briefly scanned through the Wonderful sessions last week, I can say that, yes, the sessions for the Rock With Me Henry version are there (as well as the session for the original harpsichord version) including the sessions for that odd 'mamamama' tag. As far as I could tell, everything was unfinished like it was on boot. The vocal on Rock With Me Henry finishes where it always did, long before the track ends. I don't remember hearing 'I need some water, man', though. And the April piano version of Wonderful is also there, but again incomplete. Just a few backing vocals on one of the verses, like on the boots.
Zodiac - there are no Worms vocals on the Holidays chorus. But I think you knew that already. And to complete the story, there are no 'Ocean Liners' or 'Sandwich Isles' Worms vocals on the verses, either (just the old tape drag vocals, now without the drag), although there is that muffled snippet sung by Brian in the sessions, which might be for the verse, the chorus, or who knows?
Andrew Doe - S was really into the vocal-only montage track - like Leila posted here in one of her short early posts, he thought it was "absolutely inspirational" - and Leila really liked it, too. She wrote about that. I wasn't so taken with it, as I don't like these Stack-O-Vocals things. It's always just like listening to half the proper Wilson arrangement to me, a bit of an abomination. But that's why I didn't mention it. For Mylene, I certainly didn't hear anything that destroyed my mind in there, just lots vocal sections we've heard before, but without the instrumental tracks. FWIW, I heard lots of stuff from Heroes and Villains, Wonderful, Cabin Essence, Worms, Vega-Tables and Wind Chimes.
Tristero - we did also whiz through Heroes and Villains sections on disc 1, which is different to the Good Vibrations box set version. For a start it's all in stereo. The slowing down section at the end of the Western theme, or Prelude to fade, is different, with whistles and bells and collapsing strings again. I think that's a different take spliced in from that session. Also, the track ends differently to the 1993 mix - a run through a piano 'Do A Lot' section I didn't recognise, the dum/whistle/explosion from the Cantina version, and the False Barnyard to fade. Hey, maybe me, S and Leila will make the book? Or maybe we won't, now… http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=7009667&postcount=467
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *SPOILERS* THE SMiLE SESSIONS TRACK INFORMATION THREAD
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on: October 02, 2011, 01:05:02 AM
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And there's also a claim on Hoffman (from supposed friend 'B') that might invalidate the whole lot - that there are new vocals over the Truck Driving Man section of Cabin Essence, and EVEN ON THE MOJO VERSION. Like I've just posted in another thread here, if that's BS from 'B' and 'S' (ha ha), it has the massive disadvantage (from a hoaxer's point of view) of being VERIFIABLE BS, as we have the Mojo version already. If there is anything new there, it must be way down in the mix on the Mojo version; I can't hear anything on that track. But then... why make that claim, if it's so easy to prove wrong?
The guy on the Hoffmann forum who has tried the hardest to discredit Leila also thinks the Truck Driver vocals are louder on the Mojo 45 than on the 20/20 version http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=6938099&postcount=94
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