There is little if any chance of me turning up at SeaWorld, as you would understand if you knew the first, most basic thing about me, as just about everyone here does. You really are incredibly stupid, but as you're giving me a good, no, a huge laugh, that's cool. And it's got nothing to do with my having regular contact with Bruce. Oh, I'm lovin' this. Keep digging. 

And you're a misinformed asshole who, it seems, has seen his sources dry up.

Glad that's settled. But have fun at Sea World with Mike, Bruce and Stamos. A "respected Beach Boys historian" cheering on that band calling itself "The Beach Boys." Yeah - that checks out.  

Which statement just torpedoed the listing remains of your flimsy credibility.  You really don't know anything about me, do you ?

Just too precious. Oh my...  

Oh, I do. And it speaks to your complete hypocrisy. You defend what Mike does, and yet...

English not your first language, I take it. I'll make it simpler. There are two, no, three possibilities:

1 - there is an album and I've been asked to keep quiet about it.

2 - there is an album and no-one's told me about it.

3 - there is no album.

That's called considering all the alternatives. Double standards is asking me to break a confidence - assuming any such exists, of course - while saying you can't/won't do the same. Eeyore was of a similar mindset, as was Jock McSporran on the Bloo. As my ol' drinking buddy Oscar used to say, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.  

But... people are getting bored with this: I know I am, as all we're doing is talking in circles. Final verdict on Mike Love ?  Flawed human being who could have made better choices in the past. Not unlike his cousin.

In other words:

1) Andrew doesn't know.

2) Andrew should stop coyly acting like he knows.

3) Andrew's a fraud who's been cut out of the loop for leaking what little he knew in the past.


Glad that's settled. But have fun at Sea World with Mike, Bruce and Stamos. A "respected Beach Boys historian" cheering on that band calling itself "The Beach Boys." Yeah - that checks out. 

[TWGMTR]

Again, consider this everybody: Andrew's only source is from the Mike camp. All he'll get is information from their perspective, or miss out on stuff from the other side. That's also why he can't tell us anything as far as the next album is concerned. Right, AGD?

Always good to start the morning with a laugh. As my father used to say, can't tell someone something they don't want to hear. But... one more time: Bruce is not my only contact within the BB world. Far from it. As for the hypothetical new album that people here seem to think exists/will exist/is being considered, maybe I'm saying nothing because I've been asked to keep quiet... or maybe, and I understand that this is hard from some folk here to get a handle on, but indulge me and try, please, maybe it's because right now there IS no 'new record'. Brian's been talking about making a rock & roll record since 1998: it's just something he says to get interviews over quickly. Yes, there's a stockpile of songs, some of which are pretty good (but not, IMHO, as good as most of TWGMTR) and yes, given current recording techniques, they could have a set out by summer. I somehow doubt that'll happen. Would be pleasantly pleased if it did, as well as being simultaneously disappointed that the magic of Radio had been diluted. As for other albums, well there was talk of a live set, and of course there's the MiC box.

A thought - you're insistent that I spill the gen about the hyp[othetical new album, yet when it suits, use the "confidential information" gambit (as I do) regarding the 30-40 offers Mike personally declined last year. Do we detect a double standard here ? Do as I say, not as I do...

My word, you are a delight. In the same breath, you say maybe you were asked to keep quiet about a record - then hint that there IS no record. That, my good man (and I use both of those terms VERY loosely) is double-talk. And hilariously wrong double-talk, at that.

And okay, fine. I give. I'll buy that Bruce is not your only contact. (From the Mike Love side of the BB world).

(Cue another smug response from AGD with no real substance and probably a quote from his Dad)

Again, consider this everybody: Andrew's only source is from the Mike camp. All he'll get is information from their perspective, or miss out on stuff from the other side. That's also why he can't tell us anything as far as the next album is concerned. Right, AGD?

And didn't Mike also reject about 30 to 40 more dates (including a few in the states) to go back to touring zoo openings with John Stamos?

Source and quote, please. (Currently you're 0 for 1).

Edit - I'll save you the trouble: Brian Wilson, LA Times, 10/9/12.

"What's a bummer to Al and me is that we have numerous offers to continue, so why wouldn't we want to? [text omitted]

We hadn't even discussed as a band what we were going to do with all the offers that were coming in for more 50th shows.

Al and I just assumed based on everyone's enthusiasm we would at least want to take those offers into consideration since we all knew about them. I mean, who wouldn't want to play the Hollywood Bowl again, Madison Square Garden and Wrigley Field? And what better way to celebrate New Year's Eve than with the 50th band? That would have blown the lid off things. There were also offers for more shows in the U.K. and markets we weren't able to play during the tour."

Numerous... no mention of 30-40 shows, a figure apparently plucked from thin air.

0 for 2. 

Not plucked from thin air. Fact. You don't want to believe it, fine. But it's the truth. Plus, what would I have to gain making stuff up to go against a guy like you, whose life is posting on a message board?

At least 30-40 dates could've been had. Numerous European markets were after the Boys, and they came nowhere near. It's actually quite amusing that Mr. Doe wouldn't know that. But, considering his source (Bruce)...

And didn't Mike also reject about 30 to 40 more dates (including a few in the states) to go back to touring zoo openings with John Stamos?

Source and quote, please. (Currently you're 0 for 1).

Edit - I'll save you the trouble: Brian Wilson, LA Times, 10/9/12.

"What's a bummer to Al and me is that we have numerous offers to continue, so why wouldn't we want to? [text omitted]

We hadn't even discussed as a band what we were going to do with all the offers that were coming in for more 50th shows.

Al and I just assumed based on everyone's enthusiasm we would at least want to take those offers into consideration since we all knew about them. I mean, who wouldn't want to play the Hollywood Bowl again, Madison Square Garden and Wrigley Field? And what better way to celebrate New Year's Eve than with the 50th band? That would have blown the lid off things. There were also offers for more shows in the U.K. and markets we weren't able to play during the tour."

Numerous... no mention of 30-40 shows, a figure apparently plucked from thin air.

0 for 2. 

I'm sorry...it's not polite to reveal your sources (which I do have).

Remember?

Trust me - I know as much if not more. Either you guys are lying, or are full of the bullsh*t Andrew says I am.

And again - I challenge you: if you know so much, what's in store for this year?

Ah, so now everyone who contradicts you is lying and/or full of bullsh*t. Dreadful thing, paranoia. Plus, you're doing exactly what Eeyore did, demanding I go against the wishes of my sources and break their confidence. Bad journalistic practise. Even worse manners.

In other words, Bruce cut you off?

Sadly his actions during the 50th Anniversary tour, the tour that should have been his redemption so to speak among fans and the general public was in fact probably his worst year of press ever and he deserved every bit of it. We actually saw the headline "Mike Love fires Brian Wilson" on major publications all around the world.

The final verdict on Mike, in my opinion...he truly is a jerk, and honestly I think he's lost his mind.

Except that he neither said nor did anything of the kind, but was nonetheless vilified for it. That media construct on a slow day aside, Mike's press for the C50 event was pretty good, as was the whole of the band and the tour in general.

I'm sorry - didn't Mike and Bruce skip the final crew dinner and group picture (the only two to do so)? And didn't Mike also reject about 30 to 40 more dates (including a few in the states) to go back to touring zoo openings with John Stamos? He didn't' fire Brian, sure - but I'd hardly call his actions nothing "of the kind."

I mean seriously - AGD comes on here every day and talks to people like they're dirt. That's okay?? Come on.

Only the ones who don't know their basic BB facts, post complete nonsense as fact or call me a liar. Congratulations - you tick all three boxes.  

Wow, being crass, pompous and (undeservedly) arrogant. But we'll let it go, right?

You weren't responding to Andrew, though. Otherwise I'd let it slide.  In any case, the initial argument was along the lines of him calling what you said bullsh*t,which it was- those of us who know how the tour really came together know what you said was erroneous, and based on a misinterpretation of a Mike Love quote.  Your response was to say he was making things up, and then lie about that in a later post! So, you shouldn't be surprised if someone calls you out on that.

Meh...whatever. Reading the last couple of pages of this thread has given me a massive headache. I'd like to thank  those in the thread like Donny and SmileBrian who kept things on topic, though.

Trust me - I know as much if not more. Either you guys are lying, or are full of the bullshit Andrew says I am.

And again - I challenge you: if you know so much, what's in store for this year?

I mean seriously - AGD comes on here every day and talks to people like they're dirt. That's okay?? Come on.

[Smile]

When Mike agreed to the 50th celebration, he did the "right" thing for the band's legacy - but the wrong thing for himself. He gambled that Brian would do a couple legs, poop out and get tired of everyone, take off - and then Mike would say, "Oh well, I tried" and be "The Beach Boys" again.

That, sir, is complete and utter bullsh*t. You patently have no clue regarding the backstage dynamics of the entire Smile/C50 event. I say again, utter bullsh*t, and uninformed bullsh*t at that.

First of all, how do you assume I'm a sir?

Secondly...Trust me, folks - AGD either doesn't REALLY know everything that's going on backstage, or is just making it up. Or, is just listening to Bruce's side of the story (surprise).

I'd think twice about questioning Andrew on this matter. He may not know everything, but he knows enough. He surely doesn't make sh*t up, either.

Oooo...I'm scared. Not saying he makes sh*t up. Just saying his primary source may not be giving him the whole truth.

Do me a favor, don't play that babysh*t game here. Read and learn.

Do me a favor - get bent.

Do ME a favor...don't post anything like that again.

Hello, double standard!

Exactly. It's obvious he's siding with the Mike and Bruce faction, since Bruce is his inside source. Which is awesome. I greatly appreciate Andrew. But he's obvious siding with the guy that gives him a bunch of his info.

Who told you Bruce was my inside source ?  Wasn't Bruce, I'm thinking, and I know it wasn't me, because aside from any other reason, it's simply not the case. If I side with anyone or anything, it's checkable fact or plausible deduction. I don't indulge in idle, mindless or biased speculation.

Dude, we know Bruce is your inside source.

[Smile]

When Mike agreed to the 50th celebration, he did the "right" thing for the band's legacy - but the wrong thing for himself. He gambled that Brian would do a couple legs, poop out and get tired of everyone, take off - and then Mike would say, "Oh well, I tried" and be "The Beach Boys" again.

That, sir, is complete and utter bullsh*t. You patently have no clue regarding the backstage dynamics of the entire Smile/C50 event. I say again, utter bullsh*t, and uninformed bullsh*t at that.

First of all, how do you assume I'm a sir?

Secondly...Trust me, folks - AGD either doesn't REALLY know everything that's going on backstage, or is just making it up. Or, is just listening to Bruce's side of the story (surprise).

I'd think twice about questioning Andrew on this matter. He may not know everything, but he knows enough. He surely doesn't make sh*t up, either.

Oooo...I'm scared. Not saying he makes sh*t up. Just saying his primary source may not be giving him the whole truth.

Do me a favor, don't play that babysh*t game here. Read and learn.

Do me a favor - get bent.

[Smile]

"In fact, very early on, Brian was just going to join the tour for a few dates in big cities." - Mike Love.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/05/entertainment/la-et-ms-mike-love-beach-boys-on-brian-wilson-20121004


As Mike had envisioned. Which clearly didn't happen.

But your claim was that Mike "gambled" on Brian dropping out, whereas what he's saying here is that the early game plan was for Brian to do selected prestige dates, which as anyone with even a basic grasp of the English language will realise is something entirely different. Ergo, you have just shot yourself in the foot a la James Watt.    Piece of advice when quoting someone in support of your idee fixee - make sure what they say does actually agree with you and not contradict it, as it does here.

When Mike agreed to the 50th celebration, he did the "right" thing for the band's legacy - but the wrong thing for himself. He gambled that Brian would do a couple legs, poop out and get tired of everyone, take off - and then Mike would say, "Oh well, I tried" and be "The Beach Boys" again.

That, sir, is complete and utter bullsh*t. You patently have no clue regarding the backstage dynamics of the entire Smile/C50 event. I say again, utter bullsh*t, and uninformed bullsh*t at that.

First of all, how do you assume I'm a sir?

Secondly...Trust me, folks - AGD either doesn't REALLY know everything that's going on backstage, or is just making it up. Or, is just listening to Bruce's side of the story (surprise).

I'd think twice about questioning Andrew on this matter. He may not know everything, but he knows enough. He surely doesn't make sh*t up, either.

Oooo...I'm scared. Not saying he makes sh*t up. Just saying his primary source may not be giving him the whole truth.

Actually, you did, as highlighted in red.

Read between the lines, genius. Mike only agreed to make the album when it was thought Brian would be a part-time tour participant. Then when the whole tour came up, the sh*t hit the fan. Why do you think the Grammy nomination show announcement never happened? When I spoke to Mike in December 2011 and asked if they were going to do the project, he said, quickly, "If we don't kill each other first." (Uh oh - SOMEBODY OTHER THAN ANDREW TALKING TO A BEACH BOY?? OH MY!) But by then it was too late - he was already committed.

AGD is the Fox News of Beach Boys information. Completely biased, impartially informed and therefore, prone to molding said information into half-truths. A mouthpiece for Mike and Bruce. Does he have a wealth of Beach Boys knowledge? Absolutely. It's a shame he lets his opinions and friendship with Bruce get in the way of it all. AGD - you know everything? Fine - then tell us the release plans for this year. Is there gonna be a new album, and if so, from who? Let's see what you know.

And a piece of advice for you, AGD: try speaking the way you do to others in real life as when you're in the safety of your pajamas, on your computer. See what happens.

[Smile]

When Mike agreed to the 50th celebration, he did the "right" thing for the band's legacy - but the wrong thing for himself. He gambled that Brian would do a couple legs, poop out and get tired of everyone, take off - and then Mike would say, "Oh well, I tried" and be "The Beach Boys" again.

That, sir, is complete and utter bullsh*t. You patently have no clue regarding the backstage dynamics of the entire Smile/C50 event. I say again, utter bullsh*t, and uninformed bullsh*t at that.

First of all, how do you assume I'm a sir?

Secondly...Trust me, folks - AGD either doesn't REALLY know everything that's going on backstage, or is just making it up. Or, is just listening to Bruce's side of the story (surprise).

I'd think twice about questioning Andrew on this matter. He may not know everything, but he knows enough. He surely doesn't make sh*t up, either.

Oooo...I'm scared. Not saying he makes sh*t up. Just saying his primary source may not be giving him the whole truth.

Interesting to see what this suggests about the inter-band dynamics -- this has all the hallmarks of a BW passive-aggressive power play. And if it actually becomes a full-scale summer tour, there will be a lot of press about how this group has more original BBs in it than the band with the name. Mark my words.

Agreed. And if they make an album, and tour it, it's not good for Mike at all. When Mike agreed to the 50th celebration, he did the "right" thing for the band's legacy - but the wrong thing for himself. He gambled that Brian would do a couple legs, poop out and get tired of everyone, take off - and then Mike would say, "Oh well, I tried" and be "The Beach Boys" again.

Source?

Read Mike's letter to the LA Times.

Since you brought all of this up, please provide the exact quote?

"In fact, very early on, Brian was just going to join the tour for a few dates in big cities." - Mike Love.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/05/entertainment/la-et-ms-mike-love-beach-boys-on-brian-wilson-20121004


As Mike had envisioned. Which clearly didn't happen.

Interesting to see what this suggests about the inter-band dynamics -- this has all the hallmarks of a BW passive-aggressive power play. And if it actually becomes a full-scale summer tour, there will be a lot of press about how this group has more original BBs in it than the band with the name. Mark my words.

Agreed. And if they make an album, and tour it, it's not good for Mike at all. When Mike agreed to the 50th celebration, he did the "right" thing for the band's legacy - but the wrong thing for himself. He gambled that Brian would do a couple legs, poop out and get tired of everyone, take off - and then Mike would say, "Oh well, I tried" and be "The Beach Boys" again.

Source?

Read Mike's letter to the LA Times.

[Smile]

When Mike agreed to the 50th celebration, he did the "right" thing for the band's legacy - but the wrong thing for himself. He gambled that Brian would do a couple legs, poop out and get tired of everyone, take off - and then Mike would say, "Oh well, I tried" and be "The Beach Boys" again.

That, sir, is complete and utter bullsh*t. You patently have no clue regarding the backstage dynamics of the entire Smile/C50 event. I say again, utter bullsh*t, and uninformed bullsh*t at that.

First of all, how do you assume I'm a sir?

Secondly...Trust me, folks - AGD either doesn't REALLY know everything that's going on backstage, or is just making it up. Or, is just listening to Bruce's side of the story (surprise).

Interesting to see what this suggests about the inter-band dynamics -- this has all the hallmarks of a BW passive-aggressive power play. And if it actually becomes a full-scale summer tour, there will be a lot of press about how this group has more original BBs in it than the band with the name. Mark my words.

Agreed. And if they make an album, and tour it, it's not good for Mike at all. When Mike agreed to the 50th celebration, he did the "right" thing for the band's legacy - but the wrong thing for himself. He gambled that Brian would do a couple legs, poop out and get tired of everyone, take off - and then Mike would say, "Oh well, I tried" and be "The Beach Boys" again.

Problem being...that didn't happen at all, as we all know. So if Brian, Al and Dave do an album, tour and - because Brian's involved - hit the morning shows and late night shows with new (presumably rock) songs...not good for Mike. He no longer has the "other members have gone, but Mike Love keeps carrying on the Beach Boys legacy" line to lead every phony newspaper write-up. So the irony being that, for Mike - given his apparent motives - the 50th tour was a big mistake; yet, going back to the way things were while the other guys work on new stuff would be an even greater mistake. Classic two wrongs not making a right.

It seems animosity between "camps" has less to do with Mike and Brian and more to do with their people. So, maybe there's the chance each camp will go out and do their stuff this summer - then release MIC in the fall, and hit the studio to do the rock album in the winter for a 2014 tour (similar to the SMiLE Sessions/Reunion/TWGMTR progression). While, personally, I'd still be irked at the irrationality of a band that has LESS Beach Boys than another non-Beach Boys band calling itself "The Beach Boys" - I could live with it if there's more material to follow. That's honestly been my biggest problem with Mike's statements about the current state of the band - not allowing for even the possibility to work as the full band again. Seems more stubborn and mean than "professional."

Oh sh*t, the Blooies are all gonna have multiple orgasms.

Much the way you do when we get dates from the band with one less Beach Boy?

Good stuff.  Thanks for the info, everyone.  Kind of interesting that Mike doesn't flaunt any of that, even when he's knocked by his detractors.  If you're going off what he says, you'd think he's just a lyric man.

One thing I've always wondered about is how skilled Mike is as far as writing his own music.  We know he has done a great deal of work and made many contributions as a lyricist, but I'm curious if anyone on here is familiar with his abilities from the musical/notation side. I read that he wrote all the stuff on his latest solo album by himself. Does anyone know if this is true (because there are a couple good ones in there)?

I think the RnR Hall of fame speech and alledged negative comments about Brian, and Carls illness are terrible. I say alledged because I have yet to read of anyone hearing them in person, only second hand.

Hmm...I don't even know if that qualifies as "alleged," at least with Carl.  When did he crack a joke about Carl's illness ever?  I think one of the great myths of all time is that he wanted Carl out "because he was sick," and not the fact that he was just in no shape to keep playing with them.  More like "made up"?