Sorry if this was addressed in a prior page (way too many pages to pour thru), but do we know yet whether the tracks will be available for individual sale on iTunes, Amazon, etc.?

Is this show downloadable as an mp3 anywhere?

While I think it's cool this guy choose a BB song to demonstrate this, I'm still trying to figure out why this is so amazing.  Amazing music, obviously, but it seems like a beautiful graphic rendering could be done on most any song.  I wish the article would have drawn some conclusion as to how visualizing BB material differs from visualizing other music.  Neat concept, but there's really not much there.

Checked out both Reliant K and Starflyer, and while I kinda dig both, I hear absolutely zero resemblance to the BB sound or Brian Wilson composition.

Of course there's Explorers Club that a lot of posters here love to hate.  If you're going for a signature Pet Sounds ape, that's the holy grail. 

mypetsounds, I'm going to check out Starflyer 59 later.  Aside from "Can You Play Drums," can you recommend some other BB-esque Starflyer tracks? 

Thing is, one need not necessarily surf to enjoy and be a part of beach/surf culture.  Plus (and if I'm wrong I'm sure somebody will correct me), but I don't remember reading or hearing anything claiming that none of the others BBs EVER got on a board.  I've always understood the "only Dennis surfed" thing to mean Dennis was the only avid surfer.  My dad and one of my brothers are pretty avid fisherman.  I don't consider myself a fisherman, but I spent enough time on the lake with them growing up to know a thing or two about it.  Were I a painter, it wouldn't be a stretch if I were to start my career with paintings of flies and rainbow trout.

I love Smile OCD threads.  I just wish there were a glossary somewhere for a lot of the terms y'all use, just to help those of us who are not yet OCT.  False barnyard?  Flutter tone?  What are these?

By the reasoning of folks here, there would never be any reason to buy a boxed set of any band unless it was 100 percent rarities. The success of the format over the past 25 years or so begs to differ.

Given the radical changes in the music market and format over the last decade, I'm not sure how much bearing the last 25 years will have on a box set released in 2013.  My best is most of the sales for MiC will be a la carte track purchases from iTunes and Amazon.

I agree with you on that demographic, but I doubt seriously that that is the demographic that they are taking aim at. They are looking at the  demo's with the most money, and like buying physical media; and that 45+ demo is the John Q Public that they are targeting.

So pretty much exactly what I said originally.  They're going for the 45+, semi-serious to diehard fan.  I'll argue again, though, that the 45+, semi-serious to diehard fan is not John Q. Public.

Baby Boomers are a pretty huge demographic. Just because they don't fit the 20 to 30 something mold, doesn't mean they can't be a major target.

A huge, but (unfortunately) shrinking demographic, and one that's turning increasingly to streaming/downloadable media.  There's a reason CD shops are an endangered species, and that Amazon sells more digital downloads than CDs.

How big is vinyl these days? It is still a pretty niche market I would think considering the prices really haven't come down much in the past few years.

I think it's still a niche market, but it's becoming increasingly vibrant.  Many newer albums come with a code to download mp3 versions for free.  So I get a nice vinyl record to play at home (my preferred way of listening to music), and an mp3 version of the album for on the go.  That makes the ~$18 worth it to me.  I don't remember the last time I bought a CD (aside from that dumb zinepack for DiA 2012).  Maybe 5 years ago.

Except for vinyl. I'd suspect the majority of record purchases go to the under 45s.

Agreed.  I'm a vinyl nut, and most everybody I see in record stores buying vinyl is (by my estimation) mid-30's.

MONEY! From day one, I never thought otherwise. It's my decision to decide whether or not it is worth my hard-earned dollars. To me. it is.

Ok, but my point is that this is not targeted to John Q Public.  It's targeted to 45+, serious to diehard fans.  That being the case, people complaining about the inclusion of so many previously released tracks should be quite understandable-- everybody who will buy this box set has already purchased these tracks at least 10 times.

You're telling me that a casual fan that is 45 years or older is not part of John Q Public? Sure he is. He is just in a demographic that is more likely than not, willing to buy physical media.

I'm saying John Q Public is probably skewed toward 18-45 (probably closer to 14-45), and I'm saying it's unlikely that the casual fan will buy this box set.

MONEY! From day one, I never thought otherwise. It's my decision to decide whether or not it is worth my hard-earned dollars. To me. it is.

Ok, but my point is that this is not targeted to John Q Public.  It's targeted to 45+, serious to diehard fans.  That being the case, people complaining about the inclusion of so many previously released tracks should be quite understandable-- everybody who will buy this box set has already purchased these tracks at least 10 times.

Oh, so the rest of us above that age bracket doesn't exist on this Earth? Who the F do you think is buying and able to afford this box set? Surely not the 18-25 age bracket pissing and moaning about it in here.

I wouldn't consider this group a representative subset of the rest of society.

No, but the subset that buys physical media is surely 45 and above.

Exactly, which is why this approach to the box set doesn't make sense to me.  Who buys physical media?  45+.  Who has the money to drop on box sets?  45+.  Who is aware of and giddy at the prospect of unreleased material?  Diehards, most of whom I bet are 45+.  So then why exactly are they going with a box set that includes a bunch of hits and album cuts?

Oh, so the rest of us above that age bracket doesn't exist on this Earth? Who the F do you think is buying and able to afford this box set? Surely not the 18-25 age bracket pissing and moaning about it in here.

I wouldn't consider this group a representative subset of the rest of society.

John Q Public doesn't own any physical Beach Boys media at all.  He has a Spotify playlist and a total of 20 individual tracks he's culled together from various pre-Smile albums for .99 on iTunes.

Not sure about Nick, but congrats for coming up with the worst subject line for a message board ever.

I'm not a fan of the song but maybe it just wasn't the way Bri wanted Carl to go out on group releases.

If there's a better way for Carl to go out on a group release, I'd like to hear it.  Not saying the WoL is stellar, but I'd be giddy at the possibility that there's a usable, unreleased vocal gem from Carl just waiting to be finished into a BB song!  However, given the ticking clock and the way things are with the guys now, I fear Carl will never go out again on a group release.  If TWGMTR is the last proper BB album (and I believe it will be), it's too bad Brian couldn't work Carl in somewhere. 

For the record, TPLOBAS is one of my favorite tracks on the album (even though I hate the "grocery store" lyric).  My beef with TWGMTR tracks is production and mixing.  The songs themselves are great.

Whenever I hear a J&D song, I think of how much better it would be were the Beach Boys singing it.

I love the Pet Sounds sound, but I find myself skipping the majority of the tracks.  Least favorites: That's Not Me, Caroline, No, Pet Sounds.  However, WIBN, Sloop JB, and GOK are among my favorite BB tracks.

EDIT: While I'm thinking about it, I can't stand Disney Girls.  HATE that song.  Sounds like something I'd hear in an elevator of a proctologist's office.

That's how I feel, too. First, I can't get past the lyrics; they're terrible, amateurish.

Then it fits right in the BB catalog.  I can probably count on one hand the number of BB songs whose lyrics aren't terrible or amateurish.  I'm not in this for the lyrics.

There was a thread (or a few of them) a while back that I'd reference if I cared to search, but it seemed like the opinions of Waves of Love boiled down-- at least to an extent-- to which track we're talking about.  I believe there were at least three cuts of this track, all varying in sound and production quality.  The only copy I've heard is the version I bought on iTunes.  That actually sounds really good.  Had I not read the backstory, I would never have known it was a rough demo cut backstage somewhere.

Does somebody care to provide a run down of the different versions of this track?  How do they differ?

Not putting the reunion DIA on there is a stroke of madness, too. It'd be perfect, and I'd be able to actually have a copy - screw importing a 'zinepack' from America.

That dumb 'zinepack' is a perfect example of a rip-off.  If you want 2012 Do It Again, the ONLY way to get it is to purchase a dozen of the hits *yet again.*  When DIA didn't make 50 Big Ones, I bought the zinepack.  Nice little mag, I guess, but another tick on my tally of how many times I've purchased these songs.  As a customer of this particular product, I suppose I'm entitled to complain:)

What sucks too is that the live version of DIA on the Isn't It Time EP is superior to the 2012 studio version.  That you can buy a la carte.

aeijtzsche, the track list is pretty much what I expected, and I'm pretty impressed.  If I have any beef at all, it's with this type of box set in general.  As a die-hard fan (but non completeist), I'll probably end up buying most of these tracks.  But does whoever called the shots really think the casual fan will buy this?

I hope that option is available to you and others in your boat (and have no reason to see why it won't). I did this for TSS. I bought the standard edition as I had zero interest in hearing a zillion H&V sessions etc.... I then downloaded the odds and ends from the deluxe set that I wanted off amazon for under a tenner.

I assume this will be the case.  My argument was more philosophical than anything else.  Watch them make the a Capella version of "This Whole World" album only, just to stick it to me:)

This box set is nothing more than what it has always purported to be. A career spanning retrospective with some rarities thrown in for good measure. If any of you feel "ripped off" it's because you placed (yourself) unrealistic expectations on the product and you can blame nowt but yourselves for that. The hyperbole and hand wrenching and (self)righteous indignation is getting really tiresome.

For the record, I never expected anything more than a career spanning retrospective with some rarities.  No gripes there, and no unrealistic expectations.  I'm cool with the content.  I just hope to be able to purchase only the tracks I want.