Today's song is Deck The Halls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl59hdVtK1U

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I listened to sitar version, it's better in the way it's less "dirge" like than the Sunflower. But it's not very interesting w/o vocs, way too distinct drums & Eastern vibe isn't anything special. Sitar doesn't even sound very Eastern, it's not quite yet authentic.

This is one of the things I noticed about '68 sets. I've heard of this sitar version long before the actual release of the song, and I expected something that sounds like sitar in Beatles' "Gettin' Better", or even "Carnival of Sound" album by Jan & Dean.

Once I gave it a listen, however, I found the sitar sound in this version was barely noticeable - you would barely identify it as sitar if you hadn't informed beforehand. It sounds like...just an experiment in the making.

Today's song is Little Saint Nick:
https://youtu.be/jn-33OHqSlY

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One interesting question to ponder: what would the fate of the album have been had it actually been released, with regards to reissues and just plain old acknowledgement of its existence? Obviously the title is in bad taste (and almost certainly a Landy idea too), and seeing as Landy's name has been removed from previous BBs/BW releases, would this album be treated much like SIP, where it's not even acknowledged in the BW catalog in an "official" capacity?

It probably wouldn't have been on online streaming service, just like Gettin' In Over My Head.

"5-0 vote"? I reviewed & rated FN 5, then smb. else added 5, in total 2 5's. Edit it, will you?

Oh, sorry. I must have missed that. Just added!!

Today's song is Chirstmasey:
https://youtu.be/dZaUIHTUnyA

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(Sorry if this topic was posted before)

So, now that all of the 1968 has been released, I think it's time to talk about next year's possible copyright extension release, which will supposedly cover the Sunflower sessions  8-)

One thing that interests me is whether they go with 1969 alone, or put it out together with 1970 stuff, which is mostly still Sunflower. I hope the latter will be the case.

Another point is whether they go with physical release or just download-only. Sunflower is such a critically acclaimed album, which used to be on Rolling Stone's 500 all-time greatest albums list (and was taken down in favor of SMiLE Sessions), and I hope that will convince the record company of the same treatment as Sunshine Tomorrow.

Here's the list of outtakes for possible inclusion (off the top of my head right now...thanks for Bellagio site):

From 1969...

- Got to Know the Woman (mono mix intended for Reverberation)
- Loop De Loop (original mix with alternate lead vocal)
- The Lord's Prayer (duophonic mix intended for Reverberation)
- When Girls Get Together (track)
- I'm Going Your Way/California Slide
- What Can The Matter Be?
- Raspberries, Strawberries (early version of At My Window)
- Walkin' (it was released on '68 set, but there could be some other stuff, such as the backing track, that they can include)
- BW Backing Tracks from Kalinich album sessions
- Til' I Die (piano demo)
- Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again (piano demo)
- This Whole World (long version, according to "Brother Re-Issues Bonus Tracks" that was talked about on Smiley a while ago)
- Add Some Music (alt. ver.)
- Carnival

From 1970...

- You Never Give Me Your Money (impromptu cover from the Good Time sessions)
- Back Home (demo)
- Tears in the Morning (early mix found on Add Some Music)
- Fred Vail Country Album with BW
- Season in the Sun
- Looking at Tomorrow (original mix for "2nd Warner Brothers LP")
- Big Sur
- My Solution

I also would like to see some a cappella mixes/backing tracks, as well as brand new remix for Sunflower outtakes, and if possible Sunflower itself. It would be very neat to have all the Sunflower outtakes in one place.

I think if the production had been better, it'd have been better received. Sonically as well, there were areas of opportunity. Using Endless Harmony as an example, the vocals sound "swimmy" and heavily processed. The  background vocals on School Days are poorly recorded and extremely repetitive.  Just fixing those two examples would be a huge improvement.

Nothing can save Oh Darlin' those, save using Brian's original vocal

I'm sure letting someone other than Bruce produce the album would have done wonders. I respect Bruce as the guy who (co-)wrote Deirdre and Disney Girls, but by 1979 it seems he had forgotten his chop.

On KTSA, the songs are mostly okay to occasionally great, but the production is utterly mediocre, in my opinion.

Here it is:

1. Do You Like Worms? (SMiLE Sessions Ver.)
2. San Miguel
3. Some of Your Love
4. When Girls Get Together
5. Keepin' the Summer Alive
6. Goin' On
7. Santa Ana Winds
8. The Lord's Prayer
9. Been Way Too Long (Sections)
10. Endless Harmony

Ta. Disagree with this list & wouldn't agree with any such list when stupid song EH is there (Bruce songs bring typically boredom). The ending track will be cool exuberant positive sunshiney "Sunshine". What's BBs album without positive joyful song? C'mon.

I added Endless Harmony, just because Dick brought it up. I wouldn't include it in my usual alt. album. I think it is decent, but underdeveloped.

Personally I'm not a fan of Sunshine. If I had to include a positive joyful song, I'd go with Goin' To The Beach, but it may not be everyone's cup of tea.

Watamushi, will you show spotify tracklist? It isn't available where I live. Thanks.

Here it is:

1. Do You Like Worms? (SMiLE Sessions Ver.)
2. San Miguel
3. Some of Your Love
4. When Girls Get Together
5. Keepin' the Summer Alive
6. Goin' On
7. Santa Ana Winds
8. The Lord's Prayer
9. Been Way Too Long (Sections)
10. Endless Harmony

Today's song is First Noel:
https://youtu.be/BMJubkLVoBg

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Dick Rising talked on Discord about what if Bruce decided to include all the outtakes that were considered on KTSA. So I gave it a quick attempt.

Here it is:

https://open.spotify.com/user/little_lamb_dragonfly/playlist/3uLQf9W6ujSTmVjOf0r5aP?si=EYlWFcBqSymYkn4gbcFkww

I've been listening to it right now, and it somehow flows better than I expected.

Also, I first put Some of Your Love after Do You Like Worms, and found it extremely noisy and jarring. I like Some of Your Love on its own, but right after a SMiLE outtake the slightness of the production is very evident.

......and then there was world peace. 

It was closed because of the decision made by forum owner, Anderrson.

New board is here(http://endlessharmony.boards.net/), and PSF members are moving on to this place.

Now apologies have been made, and we're moving on.

Watamushi - You are more than welcome to post here and I'm sure the readers here will continue to look forward to your contributions.

Thank you for your words of apology and let me offer my sincere words of apology in return. The situation escalated beyond where it should have, and I hope we can shake hands and put it behind us. If that is a workable situation, I'm willing to start fresh and move forward, with apologies for what happened.

The emotions and absolute frustration of what has been a situation festering for over two years (and far more beyond that) boiled over, thanks to yet again people who have histories of certain behaviors, and who cannot get over grudges. The sad part is good people, and good fans continue to get swept up in a tornado of spite and whatever else that is limited to a very, very small group of the same names.

If that can't be seen by now, it never will.

In terms of moderating here, since that group departed for whatever their reasons, Billy and I have had a good run here in terms of moderating, where there have been no major blow-outs that couldn't be handled, no consistent complaints or reports of bad behavior or insulting posts, and no reports of harassment or bullying...and it's been overall smooth sailing compared to how it was prior to 2016. That, too, speaks volumes. Once that group departed, the problems went out the door with them, and the numbers of readers (though some said the departures would kill the board) only increased...which was the original topic of this thread.


And that brings me full circle...Yesterday I walked away from this stuff and took a hiatus. Like Watamushi said, it was a disturbing situation and especially with this being the weekend before Christmas, it was too much. I was ready to come back on sometime in the next day, and just suggest everyone get away from the forums overall and enjoy the holidays...even if you don't celebrate Christmas, just get out among people and have fun. Drink a toast to your friends and good times, and all that. That's what I did yesterday, only in the form of eating a large meal and being Santa Claus trying to find last minute gifts.

Then I log on today to do just that, and see what has transpired.

So again, I hope Watamushi takes my apology as sincere, and I hope we can start putting this behind us and move forward. And I can say again that my reaction was coming from a place of frustration on what was being said and done, but if it's over then let's call it a done deal, Watamushi, take what we both said in the heat of the situation as just that, and move forward.

Thank you so much for your apology. I'm really relieved to hear that.

I'm more than willing to put behind what had happened to us and move forward, and I do hope everybody around will.

Watamushi stepped down from his admin position on the PS Forum I just want to apologize for any hurtful words I said about Watamushi and Dick Rising’s moderation decisions. Though I still don’t agree with how things were handled there, I also didn’t need to say some things I said.

Any frustration I have regarding this drama is years of irritation about how things were handled from day one of that forum’s existence. That doesn’t excuse what I said about Watamushi and D Rising, but it at least explains the emotions behind what and why I said those things.

The biggest irony is my annoyance of how certain posters over on the PS forum act(ed) when I myself stooped to acting the same way because of this situation.

Watamushi has been such a positive part of this fandom since he arrived at both forums. If he doesn’t retake his admin position I hope he will at least continue to post and share his positivity about this music. I’m sorry again to both moderators, it’s not an easy job and my words certainly didn’t help.

I've kept quiet until now, in the fear of derailing this thread with arguments, but now I'm no longer a staff there and I'd like to speak up.

First, I'm really relieved to hear that from you. I have been disturbed and devastated by the entire situation in the last few days (please note that it's not only about this thread), and I considered getting away from both of the forums at some point. Thank you so much for your apology.

I have to apologize myself, too, I'm afraid. Although we had to draw a line in somewhere and make a decision, the way I spoke about guitarfool over there was a tad too blunt and thoughtless, and I'm pretty sure that didn't help when guitarfool spoke up about it here.

Also, when a bunch of less engaged posters here spoke up against guitarfool, some of them came off somewhat aggressive toward him. When I saw them posted, I feared it would result in argument and I asked some of them via personal messages "not to take it too far", but some eventually took it a tad too far. I'm sorry about that.

That being said, in defence of these members, they are definitely not sock puppets of someone else who wants to hide their identity. They are all legitimate and verifiable members on here, PSF or Beach Boys Discord. I can assure it, and I believe so can Dick Rising.

Again, thanks for your words, as well as your appreciation on what I've been doing in music discussion. I'll see if I still feel comfortable being around here and there, and if I indeed do, I will continue to post, as long as my capacity allows. I hope I do.

Can you add 5's to "We Wish" & "Hark"?  Thanks in advance.

Today's song is 5. It's such good album that many the track to my ears is distinct 5.

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Today's song is It Came Upon The Midnight Clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJpt9GBonRE

Your ratings for Hark The Herald Angels Sing:
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Today's song is Hark the Herald Angels Sing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh1b7AyyEVA&list=OLAK5uy_nn7gVum2c50qia5kjVGovTpwFLp7hz6bw