Those teeth look TOO white, very unnatural, as if the photo was 'shopped.

My wife talked to my record executive Clive Davis at Arista Records, and he said, "Yeah, go ahead and make an album."

Well, it was her idea to finish the "Smile" album, and we got it finished. It was all her idea.

 

  Back in the '60s, legal adulthood was 21, so Brian was still one of the kids when he met Marilyn, legally speaking.

That's an excellent point.

Oh...his appenidix...jeez...I thought he was mugged.

"Brian & Marilyn were married 12/7/64 when he was 22 and she was 16. But when they first met, October 1962 at Pandora's Box, it was 20/14, and by the summer of the following year, they were in essence living together at the Rovell's house. Just pointing out that Brian has a long history of attraction to young teens."  Okay, so 21/15 wouldn't look good by our standards now, but how was it looked upon in the neighbourhood at that time?  Or was it a case of, "Oh, it's one of the Wilsons. They're nuts, you know."

Well, I'm no expert on social mores in early sixties Hawthorne (but I'll bet someone is !), however, I present to you these two scenarios (scenaria ?):

#1
Marilyn (aged 15) introduces 21-year-old Brian Wilson, hugely wealthy main man of the famous Beach Boys to her parents.

#2
Marilyn (aged 15) introduces 21-year-old Dwayne Geekly, burger jockey at Foster's Freez to her parents.

Now. which one is more likely to be told "sure, you can sleep in the girls room", and which one is going to have his sorry ass kicked all the way down Sierra Bonita ?

Whomever was more well-hung

  Or, actually, in this case... 

What year is that from? Brian looks big as hell.

Brians lyrics have a habit of being painfully truthful and personal, think Til I Die, think H.E.L.P, think Adult Child, think Love You. Is it so hard to believe that a drug-addled Wilson in the 70's may have been a tad lecherous at this time. Some may not want to believe that there is substance to something like Lazy Lizzie as some of us hold Brian up in to much of an untouchable pedestal. He may or may not have indulged in a bit of kerb-crawling but I think he certainly was digging the schoolies at the time.
Certainly in the Uk in the 70's the schoolgirl/gymslip thang was held up as an erotic risque image in media in a way that would be condemned as paedophilia now. It wasn't right then but it certainly was not the 'media hanging offence' it is now. Brian sang about something he did, or would have liked to do , end of.

I still wonder why he recycled the "pied piper" music from the fairy tale and used those lyrics. The combination of them gave the song a bit of an unsettling quality for  me, esp. considering what the Pied Piper of Hamelin did (take the all the children away). There's just something *odd* about that...

This *is* the same guy who took a picture of himself pretending to eat his shoes.

I wanna see that picture!

I think I have it on my hard drive. I'll look for it. It's pretty famous.

.  For example, journalist David Dalton recounted meeting Brian in 1968.  Brian was friendly with him, but then the reason for that came out -- Brian was convinced that David was Phil Spector.  And David Dalton doesn't look the least bit like Phil Spector!

WHAT?! I've never heard that one before. Yikes...

Kent is a liar, plain and simple. Either that, or the research he supposedly does for his writings is performed by mentally challenged chimps. More likely, a combination of both.

More like, what proof is there that he *didn't* do any of the accused?
Anyway...about Brian...

I think that has a lot to do with it too. I do think this issue bears further discussion, but I personally think it'd be better served in the link I posted

tis ME!!!!
visit ME at myspace.com/surdeanweird!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That song was...interesting. Actually, if I'm being honest, I actually kind of like it. Your voice is weird, but somehow affecting. Reminded me of Daniel Johnston.

Yeah, but I feel more like 48 rather than 28, esp. with the things that have been going on in my life lately. Plus, I age like a dog, i.e 7 years for every year. 

ReRun... I don't even want to know where you found that video. I like the expression the woman gives at the 36 second mark, followed by the man in the audience's reaction. His reaction was funny as hell.

What the foda ever. Defend BW at all costs. I love Brian's music, but to cut him slack for the same things a person would condemn others because "it's Brian" is ridiculous.

I have a response to this, but as this thread is about Peter & his book, I'll create a new topic for it.  http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2615.0.html

I'm interested in what you guys think about this...

In the Peter Carlin thread, there was a discussion on some of Brian's more infamous lyrics. Some feel that on certain songs ("Hey Little Tomboy", "Lazy Lizzie", ect.) Brian comes across a bit dirty, almost lecherous. I can see why one would think that, but I think people are looking at them in the wrong way.


1). Unlike R Kelly and Michael Jackson (or Chuck Berry, who never sang about it but certainly DID it), Brian's no pedo.

2). Brian actually does have a child-like quality to him, a genuine one at that. Unlike, again, Jacko, who puts on that persona to lure his victims in. Brian possesses less guile than a cheap ripoff of Street Fighter 2 (hope somebody gets that one).

3) Brian has an odd, and at times, sick sense of humor. Take the line: "Pat...pat...pat pat pat her on her butt...but...she's gone to sleep..." Considering the way Brian actually writes lyrics, the "butt" part of it is only there as a joke, because of the line "but she's gone to sleep, be quiet". It's wordplay that actually is very much like Van Dyke Parks ("music hall a costly bow" -> "Holocaust") for example.

4). Brian's lyrics are often free-form, but in an extremely interesting way, sort of like "genius by accident". "The First Time" is a prime example. I think "Lazy Lizzie" fits that category too, esp. considering how the same verse keeps repeating. I think the "Fairy Tale" interpolation is genius. Why? Because here is the dark side of the eternal childhood that the tune conveys. Here, the writer/singer of the song is still in touch with his inner child, only the mood here is sinister, which is a bizarre contrast to the recycled melody. Which melody is recycled? Why, the "Pied Piper" part!  Why is that interesting?  From Wikipedia's entry on the  Pied Piper of Hamelin.

In 1284, the town of Hamelin was suffering from a dreaded rat infestation. One day, a man claiming to be a rat-catcher approached the villagers with a solution. They promised him a schilling for the head of each rat. The man accepted and thus took a pipe and lured the rats with a song into the Weser river, where all 999,999 drowned. Despite his success, the people reneged on their promise and refused to pay the rat-catcher, reasoning that he had failed to produce the heads. He left the town, but returned several weeks later. While the inhabitants were in the church, he played his pipe again, this time attracting the children of Hamelin. One hundred and thirty boys and girls followed him out of the town, where they were lured into a cave and sealed inside. Depending on the version, at most two children remained behind. Other versions claim that the Piper returned the children after the villagers paid several times the original amount of gold.

So, once again, Brian is in the Pied Piper role, albeit in this case a little more directly than would at first appear.

Oh, I've never denied that. Al is the f*cking man, and always has been.

One thing: Am I the only one who thinks that the track for "Walkin" almost sounds like a Love You song? I mean, it's obviously not, but it sounds like one.

Umm...it linked to the official PS blog.

Remember,though, Brian can be rather child-like. I don't think he was conciously thinking along the lines of R. Kelly or Michael Jackson, but more along the lines of, I dunno, thinking as a child himself, only with adult feelings. I mean, he WAS going to name an album Adult Child.  Also, too, he was stoned out of his gourd most of the time, and probably thought it was funny. This *is* the same guy who took a picture of himself pretending to eat his shoes.

So is "Carl's Insrumental" (from Mike's intended album) really an early version or template for "Angel Come Home"?

I asked Brad Elliott about this a long time ago... At the time there was a lot of speculation that "Carl's Song" was actually a Dennis composition, because it was found on the same tape as Dennis's unreleased "Barnyard Blues".  However, Brad disputed this notion, due to the facts that a) "Carl's Song" does vaguely resemble "Angel Come Home" and b) also on that same master tape is a cut labeled as "Mike's Song" which would eventually become "Everyone's in Love with You".

The vocal for "Walkin'" was cut during the Sunflower sessions-- hence it is not a true Friends outtake. 

Is that really Al on "Walkin"? It sounds like Brian to me.

Nah...way too fat to be a gymnast!

I was wondering how you can kiss your own ass.

   

Nah...way too fat to be a gymnast!

An early internet guy. I don't think I used it until 96-7.

It was 1996 started off with the old Mike Wheeler page. I was 18, not 17. I think the board was open like a month or so. God, that brings back memories.
Back when Dave Prokopy was a big name. Also somebody posting there who claimed to be Evan Landy. There was also  Barbie. Jack "Steamboat" Harasta. And Pogo Mahone.

Jeez...people's knowledge of Brian/BB has come so far since then. Just think of all the misconceptions that have been cleared up since then! In the past 2-3 years, we've learned SO much...so many things we THOUGHT were true have since been proven false.

Jeff looks like a chef.









Oh God that rhymed...I AM getting old...

Happy Birthday

Thanks dude! Although...I'm 28, not 29! Believe me, I'm in no hurry to age yet another year! 

Eye agree.