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101  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) on: July 02, 2009, 03:50:36 AM
One of their Top 4-5 albums ... How good  might it have been if Brian had given it the intense focus that he gave to Pet Sounds and SMiLE ... at the time it seemed like Summer Days was a requirement he had to get out of the way; another "summer" album. A fabulous collection of tunes.
102  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your ideal BBs setlist on: June 19, 2009, 02:22:24 PM
I'll respond to a revised version of the question - "If you won a contest and could select  5 songs that the Beach Boys would perform live, what would they be?"

For me:
  1. Little Girl I Once Knew
  2. Break Away
  3. She Knows Me Too Well
  4. Wake The World
  5. You're So Good To Me

(not enough time to construct a 30 song set list ...)
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Breaking Point In Their Career? on: June 18, 2009, 06:32:46 PM
Observation on Do It Again -

Interesting release of singles around that time:
  >Friends / Little Bird (1968) - Dennis's "single" (B side) - One of the most creative, haunting Beach Boys songs; certainly to that point
  >Bluebirds Over the Mountain / Never Learn Not to Love (1968) - Bruce's single: a Disney Girls nostalgia trip (another Dennis B side)
  >Do It Again / Wake the World (1968)  - Mike's single: Let's recreate the past (Brian's B side looks for a new day; a new start)
  >I Can Hear Music / All I Want to Do (1969)    - Carl's single: Homage to brother Brian; a Spectorian song and sound (another Dennis B side)
  >Breakaway / Celebrate the News (1969)  - Brian's single: Good-bye Capitol but also -- I need to be free from my role as a Beach Boy (another Dennis B side)
  >Cotton Fields /The Nearest Faraway Place (1970) - Al's single: Folk City! here we come, again.

As each group member began to produce music, it is interesting to see the path they each took. IMHO, totally within character. And the end of Brian Wilson's Beach Boys. The Beach Boys were now individuals writing and even producing but only singing (usually) as a unit.
104  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Breaking Point In Their Career? on: June 18, 2009, 11:03:43 AM
For me, the question is when did the Beach Boys stop producing a "Beach Boys" album (not so much the sound as the "topics"). Summer Days (and Summer Nights!) may have been the last giving-the-public-what-they-expected album. Pet Sounds was fabulous but really was "Brian Wilson presents Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys."  SMiLE would have forever altered expectations about future BB albums/songs (as did Sgt. Pepper for the Beatles). In each subsequent album they still sounded like the Beach Boys (vocals) but were always trying to reinvent themselves (almost changing their name at one point). Their post SD (&SN!) legacy is amazing, enjoyable, and mostly excellent music, but it seems to me this era was a tension between not-sounding like Shut Down Part 3 and yet being who they were, the Beach Boys.  I love the music but growing up with them was a roller coaster ride!
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What would be the quintessence or 5th Element of SMiLE? on: May 23, 2009, 08:01:38 AM
Brian and Carl spoke about praying before they recorded in this time frame (Pet Sounds-SMiLE era) and Brian continues to explore "God" themes or elements, as in Walking Down the Path of Life ... Smiling is often an outward expression of inward joy ...
106  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was Brian holding back songs for Pet Sounds when he made Summer Days? on: May 14, 2009, 11:32:43 AM
Seems to me Summer Days was a concept album - Write new songs about summer. What SD tunes might he have held back got Pet Sounds tunes?
107  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was Brian holding back songs for Pet Sounds when he made Summer Days? on: May 14, 2009, 07:40:09 AM
When was he working on Can't Wait Too Long - Was it during the Summer Days time frame?
108  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don't Worry Baby bonus cut on iTunes Gettin' In Over My Head on: April 28, 2009, 06:27:02 AM
Can you explain iTunes in OZ?
109  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Handwritten Smile Song Titles Note on: April 03, 2009, 05:44:51 AM
RE: Capitol didn't print up 300,000 of the back sleeve slick. At best, they made maybe a dozen prints from the original artwork to mock up some sleeves for the band to look at. Hence the revision markings.

They may not have made 300,000 but it was certainly more than dozen. I have one that was on display in a record store in Chicago in January of 1967.

RE: I don't put any stock in the list as any indication of playing order.  Like I said, I think it was a random jotting down of titles.  God knows that Brian couldn't make up his mind about much at that point, let alone the sequence of the album.

IMHO, Capital was so desperate for promotional material, they were happy just to have song titles ala the cover of Beach Boys Today: PLMW leads the list on the front cover with DDD and DYWD unfeatured in the string of songs, which concludes with "and three more great new songs written by Brian Wilson" even though only two more "songs" are on that album. On SMiLE they may have been willing, at least in promo material, to give a listing of song titles even though the eventual track order may be different.
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Voice of The Beach Boys ? on: March 25, 2009, 08:29:29 PM
Yeah (no reference meant to the Beatles ...) ,

Brian was unique in his producing abilities to select the right voice for the right lead or line or even phrase (As when he takes over for Carl in Good Vibrations for all of "I hear the sound of a ..."). Most casual fans probably have no idea if Mike or Carl or Brian is singing - which is why the current band touring as the Beach Boys gets away with impersonating The Beach Boys. It is precisely their ability to produce a harmonic sound that makes them unique among rock bands of that (or any?) era.
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If You Could Ask Brian ONE Question... on: March 22, 2009, 09:26:25 PM
Last time I met Brian I tried to ask him about Little Girl I Once Knew (re: rumor that Brian was actually the catalyst to the too-soon release of Barbara Ann that shut down LGIOK's chart climb) and Break Away (did Murry really participate in the writing of that tune ) but he did not remember (or want to ) ... I'd also like to know what prompted him to write Walking Down The Path of Life (we could use that one in church!)

Sorry, that's three ...
Phil
112  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your favorite Beach Boys soundalike group? on: March 17, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
I enjoy the Mailbus, total  BB & Jan & Dean influence - Matt Tyson does a great job or writing 21st century beach songs:

http://www.myspace.com/themalibusnow

www.cdbaby.com/cd/malibus

Phil
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 50th Anniversary in 2011 on: March 15, 2009, 04:57:43 PM
I'd like to see a reissue of every album that is expanded to include bonus tracks (unrelased songs), studio outtakes, live versions, and  corresponding videos.

Phil @ www.PrayForSurfblog.blogspot.com
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's lyrical partners? on: March 11, 2009, 08:57:12 AM
IMHO, Reggie Dunbar  (aka Murry Wilson) may have given Brian the idea of a break away lyric but I doubt that he and Brian sat together at a piano and co-wrote the song. Maybe it was Brian's way of trying to extend an olive branch to his dad. I also doubt that neither Murry, the Beach Boys, nor Capitol Records read between the lines of the song- Brian was declaring his need to break away from the shackles that kept him from growing as a person, a producer (as opposed to a member of a band), and an artist. Too bad he had to break down rather than be "allowed" to break away.

Phil
PrayForSurfBlog.blogspot.com
115  Smiley Smile Stuff / Other Solo Albums / Re: Pacific Ocean Blue (DW solo) on: July 20, 2008, 11:42:58 AM
This article is written by a friend of mine who is also a huge BB & BW fan,

Phil


http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/arts/chi-dennis-wilson-0720jul20,0,3855378.story

Wilson's talent sings forth on 'Pacific' re-release

By Patrick Kampert |Chicago Tribune reporter
    July 20, 2008

When Beach Boys fans think of the waning days of the original group, one of the painful memories is that of late drummer Dennis Wilson shambling drunkenly onstage during encores in the early '80s to croak out the Joe Cocker hit "You Are So Beautiful" (Wilson was purportedly an uncredited co-writer of the song) in a voice ravaged by self-destruction.

That's an image that close friends of the musician hope to tone down with the lovingly assembled special edition of "Pacific Ocean Blue," Wilson's re-released 1977 solo album that surprisingly debuted at No. 8 on Billboard's July 5 Internet music chart. The success has Wilson's backers mulling a second release, a retrospective of his work with the Beach Boys and other unreleased tracks.

The bare truth
"I think it's one of the most truthful statements by an artist," said Jon Stebbins, Wilson's biographer (the just-revised "The Real Beach Boy") who co-wrote the liner notes for "Pacific Ocean Blue." "It seems like he kind of bled onto the tape."

The music on "POB" is vaguely reminiscent of the Beach Boys—especially the stacked harmonies on "River Song" and "Rainbows"—but at times is a funky stew laden with horns ("Friday Night") and brooding piano ballads. It's alternately visceral and meditative. You'll hear very little of Wilson on the drums. He's mainly hunkered down at the keyboard looking for just the right sound. If it was a more instinctive hunt than the cerebral genius of brother Brian Wilson, it was not without touches of brilliance.

"Dennis was kind of like Brian. He used the studio like an instrument," said Gregg Jakobson, who co-produced "POB" and co-wrote many songs with Wilson.

Bonus disc
The package also includes a second disc of Wilson's incomplete second album, "Bambu," which was mixed and readied by three friends who encouraged Wilson in his creative '70s period: producers James William Guercio and Gregg Jakobson, and engineer/producer John Hanlon, who continues to co-produce projects for Neil Young and has worked with R.E.M. as well.

One track, "Holy Man," features new vocals by the Foo Fighters' Taylor Hawkins. Another version of "Holy Man" with the re-formed Queen, has been released in England.

Personal project
Beyond such nods at 21st Century rock, the new release was a fiercely personal project for Guercio, who played guitar for Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention and whose production touch helped sell millions for Chicago, the Buckinghams and Blood, Sweat & Tears.

"People didn't appreciate how far this guy could have gone," Guercio said from his Colorado office.

Wilson had asked Guercio to come aboard the Beach Boys' bandwagon in the mid-'70s to manage the group (and occasionally play bass guitar onstage). He encouraged Wilson's songwriting and has remained friends with the family even after he stepped down from managing them. Wilson's younger brother, the angelic-voiced Carl, bought a home next to Guercio's ranch in Colorado. In December 1983, Dennis Wilson was supposed to join his brother, their mom, Audree, their aunt and Guercio's family for Christmas. The family and Guercio planned to get Wilson into a rehab facility after the holidays. He called on Christmas Eve and told Guercio and his disappointed family that he wasn't coming that day but would be there by New Year's Day. He didn't make it, drowning Dec. 28 while diving for mementos at the spot where his repossessed boat once docked.

"I was in the process of an intervention," Guercio said, then paused. "I had to go over to Carl's house and tell his mom."

Carl Wilson died of brain and lung cancer in 1998. Three years ago, at the wedding of Carl's son Justyn, Guercio made the decision to bring the music of Justyn's Uncle Dennis back into the public eye.

"I felt it was important to his children and to his family," said Guercio, who bankrolled the project as well. "From that day on, it was, 'Forget business. We're going to figure this out.' "

It wasn't a simple process, said Billy Hinsche, longtime Beach Boys sideman and a Wilson in-law who sang on both "POB" and "Bambu."

"Just getting 'Pacific Ocean Blue' re-released was very complicated. [One question was] who owns it? There are four different record companies on the cover."

Hinsche formed the pop trio Dino, Desi and Billy with the sons of Dean Martin and Desi Arnaz in the mid-'60s and enjoyed some brief pop success. He was all of 13 when the group joined the Beach Boys as an opening act. Hinsche's dad, Otto, nicknamed "Pop," pulled Dennis Wilson aside before the tour and asked the drummer to look after his son on the road. Perhaps because Dennis and Carl were teens themselves when stardom engulfed them, Hinsche found an immediate kinship with the brothers. Hinsche's sister Annie eventually married Carl.

A touching farewell
Dennis Wilson formed a close bond with Pop Hinsche, and the wrenching and touching "Farewell My Friend" on "POB" was written to mourn the passing of Pop. Earlier this year, Hinsche completed a film documentary about his close friend, "Dennis Wilson Forever," that was picked up by Sony BMG for distribution in the United Kingdom.

"One of the things I wanted to accomplish with my movie was to show the creative, tender side of Dennis," he said. "God knows we've got enough of the stories about Dennis' wild side."

If "Bambu" shows Wilson rocking harder than on "POB," it also continues to flesh out that tender side. "Piano Variations on Thoughts of You" and "It's Not Too Late" sound like pleas, showing again that Wilson was the true romantic in the family. The latter also features one of the last true collaborations with his brother Carl, who was making an effort to clean up his life even as Dennis' was becoming unmoored.

Voice showed strain
The hints are in the increasingly rough-hewn vocals that sound more gravelly than Randy Newman's and much lower than his smoother efforts on Beach Boys tunes such as "Slip On Through" and "Be Still."

"Bambu" fell apart when Dennis and Carl were forced to sell Brother Studios, where "POB" was recorded and where Dennis spent most of his waking hours. Now, to continue his music, he would have to book time at unfamiliar studios and carry all his tapes around.

"It was not the same," said Jakobson. "It was like he was a homeless guy."

Added Stebbins: "His prolific nature pretty much ended at that point. He had more time to be doing the things that probably were not that healthy, as opposed to having a studio 24/7, which kept him focused and kept him motivated."

Wilson also lived with Fleetwood Mac's Christine McVie around that time, and the proliferation of drugs in the Mac circle during that "Tusk" period was no secret. Even after the couple broke up, Wilson's "downward spiral," as Jakobson called it, continued. The Beach Boys banned him from touring and cut off his paychecks as a desperate "tough love" treatment, but it didn't work. The sad ending helped to obscure a pop composer on the rise.

"It was very hard to go through some of these tracks," Guercio said. "The tragedy is that which could have been."
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