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Title: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Pretty Funky on December 16, 2010, 09:31:43 PM
http://www.maltshopcruise.com/

But this statement under the Beach Boys Bio caught my eye.

In 1974 Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world.

 :o


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: RadBooley on December 16, 2010, 09:33:56 PM
A compilation album-- what a concept!  :lol


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 16, 2010, 10:40:19 PM
Probably not the first time "Mike Love" and "tempest" were ever uttered in the same sentence -_-


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: The Shift on December 17, 2010, 12:23:13 AM
some naive copywriter latching on to a buzzword and using without knowledge of its contextual meaning.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Rocker on December 17, 2010, 06:54:37 AM
http://www.maltshopcruise.com/

But this statement under the Beach Boys Bio caught my eye.

In 1974 Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world.

 :o


Don't know who wrote it, but the whole text, this was taken from, was like that. It was even used some years ago on a site promoting Beach Boys-concerts (iirc)


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 17, 2010, 07:43:23 AM
Does anyone under 70 even use the term "malt shop" at this point?


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: doc smiley on December 17, 2010, 06:52:48 PM
anyone know where you can buy liquid Malt so you can make a malted anymore?
Ovaltine just isn't the same.... ???


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: oldsurferdude on December 17, 2010, 07:47:06 PM
Exactly where Myk Luhv and his tribute band belong-on a cruise ship with a malt shop. Anyone gotta straw(suck)?


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 17, 2010, 07:56:36 PM
Will there be a soda jerk on board?


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Mikie on December 17, 2010, 08:18:54 PM
Mike Love single-handedly turned the Beach Boys' very creative Sunflower/Surf's Up/CT&P/Holland machine into an oldies act overnight with his idea of Endless Summer. I remember when Endless Summer came out and looking at the album artwork and the goofy poster inside and thinking, "Oooohhhhh noooo. What's this? I have all these songs already, and they're regressing into greatest hits albums again? They're forever stuck in the 60's!" Then Spirit of America came out and I shot my wad (of cash) on other new albums.

The part of this where they captured new fans? Great! The part where they disappointed hard-core fans waiting for new material? Not great.

When I think of Endless Summer, I always think of that photo of Brian in his pool holding the gold record (or was it platinum?) with a big smirk on his face. Like..........WTF? Where were all the people who bought this after we worked so hard on our last four (five) albums? Were they too artsy-fartsy for ya, kiddies?


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Rocker on December 17, 2010, 08:19:46 PM
I like food...


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 17, 2010, 11:07:54 PM
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When I think of Endless Summer, I always think of that photo of Brian in his pool holding the gold record (or was it platinum?) with a big smirk on his face.

I dunno...to me it looked less like a smirk and more of a forced smile.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2010, 02:26:06 AM
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When I think of Endless Summer, I always think of that photo of Brian in his pool holding the gold record (or was it platinum?) with a big smirk on his face.

I dunno...to me it looked less like a smirk and more of a forced smile.

... and as soon as that photo was taken, he got out of the pool, walked to the nearest wall and smashed the disc against it.

It was gold, btw - astonishingly, Endless Summer wasn't certified (triple) platinum until September 2003.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Mike's Beard on December 18, 2010, 03:24:29 AM
Is that true or a wind up AGD? Oh well at least he didn't give it the Manson Family................


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Peter Reum on December 18, 2010, 10:19:37 AM
Someone needs to say that Endless Summer was Bruce Brown`s concept 10 years before the Capitol reissue.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2010, 10:40:52 AM
Is that true or a wind up AGD? Oh well at least he didn't give it the Manson Family................

True - someone who was there told me.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 18, 2010, 11:19:38 AM
Now THAT'S  a picture I would like to have seen. Would've  made a great album cover...also instead of 15 BO it could've been called "Breaking the Record" :lol


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: bgas on December 18, 2010, 02:07:14 PM
Someone needs to say that Endless Summer was Bruce Brown`s concept 10 years before the Capitol reissue.

Seem like different concepts; unless you're saying Bruce was planning a 2 LP set of BBs hits, before they were conceived.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Peter Reum on December 18, 2010, 07:45:04 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean. I am speaking about the title, which recalls Bruce Brown`s film about surfing around the world. Which Capitol, perhaps from Mike, either licensed or "borrowed." The idea of another Capitol reissue of Brian`s early work was certainly not new.I love the original soundtrack by The Sandals.....


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: bgas on December 18, 2010, 08:11:17 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean. I am speaking about the title, which recalls Bruce Brown`s film about surfing around the world. Which Capitol, perhaps from Mike, either licensed or "borrowed." The idea of another Capitol reissue of Brian`s early work was certainly not new.I love the original soundtrack by The Sandals.....


I wouldn't think Capitol would have had to do anything to use the title, tho. I don't see how Brown would have gained permanent title to two words; heck  different songs with the same title abound. I think there are different movies that are released that use previous titles, aren't there? Confusing, but...

Somewhere I think I have that soundtrack LP, unless I had to part with it in the lean years and forgot to replace it. 


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Rocker on December 19, 2010, 08:10:28 AM
Yeah, I know what you mean. I am speaking about the title, which recalls Bruce Brown`s film about surfing around the world.


Great soundtrack ! I love it


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Pretty Funky on December 19, 2010, 07:00:33 PM
Just another dumbing down of the brand IMO. Early in the year Mike is talking a reunion at Wembley Stadium next year. Now we are talking a 2 bit cabaret for a bunch of seniors on the Love Boat. All class!


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 20, 2010, 03:20:38 AM
Just another dumbing down of the brand IMO. Early in the year Mike is talking a reunion at Wembley Stadium next year. Now we are talking a 2 bit cabaret for a bunch of seniors on the Love Boat. All class!

Room for both...


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: c-man on December 20, 2010, 05:08:12 AM
Mike Love single-handedly turned the Beach Boys' very creative Sunflower/Surf's Up/CT&P/Holland machine into an oldies act overnight with his idea of Endless Summer.

Actually, that long-standing view among supporters of the Wilson faction has recently been tempered by the admission of one James William Guercio that he, and the ENTIRE band, agreed upon a course of action earlier in 1974 that would find them embarking upon a more audience-friendly (read: oldies heavy) touring program when he joined their team.  Whereas in the Jack Rieley era the oldies showed up mainly in the encore, with a couple of them sprinkled into the main set, in early-mid '74 they now comprised a good half of the main set...this was BEFORE "Endless Summer".  So they were already on the road of no return...if "Endless Summer" and "Spirit Of America" hadn't happened, they might have maintained a bit of their contemporary integrity by continuing to play songs from "Holland" for awhile, and maybe the aborted Caribou album might have been finished and released, but they were definitely growing weary of playing newer material that was only received politely, at best.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 20, 2010, 05:18:54 AM
Mike Love single-handedly turned the Beach Boys' very creative Sunflower/Surf's Up/CT&P/Holland machine into an oldies act overnight with his idea of Endless Summer.

Mikie, that's complete nonsense and you know it - at best, Mike suggested a title for a pre-existing, almost completed reissue project. Wasn't his idea, he had nothing to do with track selection, and he sure as hell had no idea it would take off like Craig Breedlove on speed. No-one did, least of all Capitol.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: filledeplage on December 20, 2010, 06:12:42 AM
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Mike Love single-handedly turned the Beach Boys' very creative Sunflower/Surf's Up/CT&P/Holland machine into an oldies act overnight with his idea of Endless Summer.

Actually, that long-standing view among supporters of the Wilson faction has recently been tempered by the admission of one James William Guercio that he, and the ENTIRE band, agreed upon a course of action earlier in 1974 that would find them embarking upon a more audience-friendly (read: oldies heavy) touring program when he joined their team.  Whereas in the Jack Rieley era the oldies showed up mainly in the encore, with a couple of them sprinkled into the main set, in early-mid '74 they now comprised a good half of the main set...this was BEFORE "Endless Summer".  So they were already on the road of no return...if "Endless Summer" and "Spirit Of America" hadn't happened, they might have maintained a bit of their contemporary integrity by continuing to play songs from "Holland" for awhile, and maybe the aborted Caribou album might have been finished and released, but they were definitely growing weary of playing newer material that was only received politely, at best.

Thanks for that clarification...Guercio's strategy (and the Band's)  to re-employ a lot of oldies at that time, was clever and very appropriate since that weird, turbulent 70's era...The ticket buying public might not have been buying albums and might only have been familar with the older material.  You  mention "politely" listen at the shows as a first listen.  Exactly!

It is better if the audience has familiariy with the material so they can be more actively engaged and enthusiastic (read sing along) which creates a more "interactive experience" and enthusiam.   When we were in teacher training, we learned that you have to "build upon an existing experiential background" in small steps.  Using  a "few new songs" in a "measured fashion" holds the attention of the audience,  not unlike kids in the classroom, and sort of "seduces them" (no, not "that" way) to listen to the new stuff.  It is a "dance of sorts" for the band to "get their attention, keep their attention, and teach them something new," as our professors taught us.  

Performing all new material does not allow the audience(the students) to show the teachers(the band) what they know and can respond to. It allows the show to be a "two-way interactive experience."  It also brought the audience back to a "safer place" before much of the violence and strife in the US, at least, over the war and other social issues.

When I see The Stones, or some other band, I want to hear "the hits" because I know their catalog less well and feel "less engaged" when they do more obscure stuff that the "more ardent fans," want and which I am not familar with, at the show, and a live show is meant to "engage" the audience.  It is not a one-way delivery.  The bertter the audience "responds" the better the band performs.  

It would not be fair to expect to hear the oldies from The Stones, whose catalog I know less well then that of The Boys, and apply a "double standard" to either.  Unfortunately, sometimes it seems to be the most ardent fans who clamor to hear the more  obscure material.   It may not be  realistic.  ;)


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 20, 2010, 07:12:27 AM
at best, Mike suggested a title for a pre-existing, almost completed reissue project. Wasn't his idea, he had nothing to do with track selection, and he sure as hell had no idea it would take off like Craig Breedlove on speed. No-one did, least of all Capitol.

I think this was the main idea of the original post in this thread, that the Endless Summer album was being credited directly as Mike's concept album in that press release when it obviously was not. So why make that claim in print in the first place?

Remember too that Capitol thought so much of the Beach Boys at that point in time that they couldn't even *find* let alone release the original 45/radio mix of Help Me Rhonda on the comp, a hit song which was roughly 8 years old at the time. That's harsh.

Add in the influence of George Lucas' "American Graffitti" on the Beach Boys revival of sorts well before Endless Summer - their "old" songs are featured in the movie, they're part of the dialogue, and in one of the better end-title music sequences in film "All Summer Long" blasts over the credits and sounds friggin' amazing!

I think the history of writing and releasing statements like that of the Endless Summer "concept" only feeds the fire so to speak among those in one Beach Boys "camp" or the other. I honestly don't know why they can't just leave that stuff alone and let people enjoy the music for what it is.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: Steve Mayo on June 22, 2011, 07:02:15 PM
just booked cabins for this cruise. taking angela and my 2 kids on this cruise for a family vacation. looking forward to it, after the last 2 years i need a break. i was on the big red boat cruise in 1995 and had a blast. can't wait.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: punkinhead on June 22, 2011, 07:06:52 PM
Mike Love single-handedly turned the Beach Boys' very creative Sunflower/Surf's Up/CT&P/Holland machine into an oldies act overnight with his idea of Endless Summer.

Mikie, that's complete nonsense and you know it - at best, Mike suggested a title for a pre-existing, almost completed reissue project. Wasn't his idea, he had nothing to do with track selection, and he sure as hell had no idea it would take off like Craig Breedlove on speed. No-one did, least of all Capitol.
Exactly! Mike would never put Let Him Run Wild on a GH album.


Title: Re: Malt Shop Cruise
Post by: bgas on June 22, 2011, 07:12:35 PM
just booked cabins for this cruise. taking angela and my 2 kids on this cruise for a family vacation. looking forward to it, after the last 2 years i need a break. i was on the big red boat cruise in 1995 and had a blast. can't wait.

Looks like you should have a great time!  I Jay Black and Lou Christie will be good for sure, along with the BBs; I imagine some of the others will sound good too.