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Title: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 08, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
I've had a few dozen thoughts/questions that are pretty minor and probably don't deserve their own thread. Thus, I'd like to ask a couple of them here and I encourage others to do the same.

Question 1: There's a song that starts with, "My folks have a friend who knows an old lady." It's a song about some old lady's car being stolen or something. It's a Brian vocal, he complains that he can't sing the song throughout (which is actually pretty amusing).

I've seen at least three different titles given for it - what is the proper title and what era is it?

Also, anyone else think the track for this song sounds a whole hell of a lot like "Morning Beat"?

Question 2: Do Carl or Dennis' lead vocals still exist anywhere for "Sail On Sailor"? Anyone here heard them - do you feel their vocals are worthy of release some day, or are they just scratch takes?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on December 08, 2009, 03:27:51 PM
The song referenced in Question 1 is entitled Walkin', recorded initially in 1968 during the tail end of the Friends period, and worked on a bit more during the sessions for the "last Capitol album". It was on a compilation tape named "Sun Flower" given to Warner Bros. when Mo Ostin signed the group in 1969. If it was seriously considered for the actual Sunflower album beyond its appearance on the aforementioned reel, it's doubtful. The track as it exists features incomplete vocals and a very dejected lead from Brian - note his "I don't wanna sing this" when the drums come in at the beginning.

Morning Beat does seem to take part of its verse melody from Walkin'. On a related note, the "mow mamayama glory hallejulah" refrain is a slightly revised riff that Brian was working on in 1975-76 called Clangin', or simply Clang as Brian referred to it in a 1976 interview.

Question 2 - Steve Desper reminisced on here a while back that he produced some sessions for Sail On Sailor in 1971, apparently it was sung by Carl. Dennis' vocals were initially going to be on the Holland cut, but apparently he couldn't hack it, hence Blondie's lead. I don't recall if the track still exists. Certainly, I've never heard them. Of course, the timeline is a bit skewed since the famous "hypnotize me, Van Dyke" cassette tape was from sometime in 1972. Who knows? Ask Brian on the blueboard. :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 08, 2009, 04:47:02 PM
The song referenced in Question 1 is entitled Walkin', recorded initially in 1968 during the tail end of the Friends period, and worked on a bit more during the sessions for the "last Capitol album". It was on a compilation tape named "Sun Flower" given to Warner Bros. when Mo Ostin signed the group in 1969. If it was seriously considered for the actual Sunflower album beyond its appearance on the aforementioned reel, it's doubtful. The track as it exists features incomplete vocals and a very dejected lead from Brian - note his "I don't wanna sing this" when the drums come in at the beginning.

Morning Beat does seem to take part of its verse melody from Walkin'. On a related note, the "mow mamayama glory hallejulah" refrain is a slightly revised riff that Brian was working on in 1975-76 called Clangin', or simply Clang as Brian referred to it in a 1976 interview.

Question 2 - Steve Desper reminisced on here a while back that he produced some sessions for Sail On Sailor in 1971, apparently it was sung by Carl. Dennis' vocals were initially going to be on the Holland cut, but apparently he couldn't hack it, hence Blondie's lead. I don't recall if the track still exists. Certainly, I've never heard them. Of course, the timeline is a bit skewed since the famous "hypnotize me, Van Dyke" cassette tape was from sometime in 1972. Who knows? Ask Brian on the blueboard. :)

Thanks a lot! Am attempting to sort rarities by era, this helps.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: MBE on December 08, 2009, 05:14:01 PM
I wonder if Walkin was attempted again by Brian somtime during the Sunflower period. It's clear he doesn't like the song, but at the same time I like the vocal he partially laid down. I only ask this because I wouldn't think it would be on the reel unfinished.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on December 08, 2009, 05:18:03 PM
Yeah, the Walkin' - Morning Beat connection is an interesting one. You can sing the verses of Morning Beat to the verse of Walkin' -- but the lines scan differently (two lines of MB to one line of Walkin), and there's no chorus in Walkin'. Like a few other bits of TLOS, it seems like Brian took a riff / melody fragment from the past and worked it into something different. You can see this in Goin' Home -- where he takes the first two lines of a song he wrote with Paley and transforms it into a rockin' blues tune -- or "Message Man," which takes its opening six-note phrase from "Marketplace" and then moves in a peculiarly BW direction.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 08, 2009, 05:29:08 PM


Dennis' vocals were initially going to be on the Holland cut, but apparently he couldn't hack it, hence Blondie's lead. I don't recall if the track still exists.
Blondie's recollection isn't exactly that Dennis "couldn't hack it"...but that DW became impatient with the length of the session because he had a new board, it was getting late, and he really wanted to go surfing, he split mid-sesion and Carl tossed the lead to Blondie. Dennis' vocal attempt was wiped apparently.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Pretty Funky on December 08, 2009, 05:51:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLx5Y5zRww

Al wearing white shorts and shoes with black socks. Was he single then or did his wife just want him to look like a dork?

Did anyone on stage or in the organization not have a....eh....queer eye to offer some advice?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on December 08, 2009, 05:52:47 PM
Al wearing white shorts and shoes with black socks. Was he single then or did his wife just want him to look like a dork?

No one but Al Jardine is supposed to understand Al Jardine's wardrobe choices.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on December 08, 2009, 06:04:15 PM
If you're curious about "Queer Eye" type issues, check out my new, self-indulgent thread.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Nicole on December 08, 2009, 06:31:38 PM
Awesome, this is a good thread. On the That's Not Me session highlights from the Pet Sounds box, what are they singing in the background towards the end of the track? I can't make out what they're saying.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TonyW on December 08, 2009, 09:53:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLx5Y5zRww

Al wearing white shorts and shoes with black socks. Was he single then or did his wife just want him to look like a dork?

Did anyone on stage or in the organization not have a....eh....queer eye to offer some advice?

Don't worry .... Brian did EVERYTHING humanly possibly to detract from Al's socks ....

... also if anybody EVER comes on this website again to complain about Brian just sitting behind his keyboards they should be forced to watch that clip!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on December 08, 2009, 10:12:07 PM
The song referenced in Question 1 is entitled Walkin', recorded initially in 1968 during the tail end of the Friends period, and worked on a bit more during the sessions for the "last Capitol album". It was on a compilation tape named "Sun Flower" given to Warner Bros. when Mo Ostin signed the group in 1969. If it was seriously considered for the actual Sunflower album beyond its appearance on the aforementioned reel, it's doubtful. The track as it exists features incomplete vocals and a very dejected lead from Brian - note his "I don't wanna sing this" when the drums come in at the beginning.


I always thought Al sang Walkin'.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: GLarson432 on December 08, 2009, 10:49:09 PM
From Jay:  "I always thought Al sang Walkin'. "

He did.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: MBE on December 08, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
1967-74 Brian and Al are easily confused but Brian stops mid song and says I don't want to sing this sh-t.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 08, 2009, 11:23:28 PM
Yeah, pretty clearly Brian .

He seems to really get into it with the, "Keep going, man," but then stops with the, "f***, I can't sing this bitch." A pretty funny listen, as is the beginning of the song with Brian making fun of his own vocal tone and again saying that he does not want to sing the song.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Nicko on December 09, 2009, 04:29:39 AM
Another inconsequential question but in interviews in 1981 Mike talked about still writing songs with Brian and Brian having written one called Sweetie. Have many bootlegs emerged of songs recorded by the band in the year or two following KTSA? And is the aforementioned song any good?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: BJL on December 09, 2009, 07:43:12 AM
I have one! 

I've seen lots of references to the misprinting of "don't break down" instead of "don't back down" on the cover of the first pressing of All Summer Long, but I'm curious how many copies were printed?  Are we talking like, a "Butcher Cover" sort of misprint, where like ten albums went out, or did they make a whole bunch of them?  I just found a copy! :-) and so I was wondering... 

also, what ratio of mono to stereo albums, in general, went out for the Beach Boys pre-pet sounds...I know the stereo was fake as often as not, but ignoring that, was it half and half?  3/4 stereo 1/4 mono? 



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: grillo on December 09, 2009, 07:48:24 AM
Awesome, this is a good thread. On the That's Not Me session highlights from the Pet Sounds box, what are they singing in the background towards the end of the track? I can't make out what they're saying.
Is that where they put the background vocals from I Just Wasnt Made...? I think those are Spanish lyrics, and there was a recent thread about those. http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,7879.0.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,7879.0.html)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on December 09, 2009, 08:08:07 AM
Another inconsequential question but in interviews in 1981 Mike talked about still writing songs with Brian and Brian having written one called Sweetie. Have many bootlegs emerged of songs recorded by the band in the year or two following KTSA? And is the aforementioned song any good?

I may be wrong about this, but I think "Sweetie" became "Love Ya" on the SWEET INSANITY album. Of course, this still wasn't officially released so there's a chance Brian may revisit it again in the future.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on December 09, 2009, 08:26:02 AM
Sweetie did become Love Ya -- which became Sweetie again during the sessions for Carnie and Wendy's album in 96-97. Their version was never released either.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on December 09, 2009, 08:29:58 AM
Sweetie did become Love Ya -- which became Sweetie again during the sessions for Carnie and Wendy's album in 96-97. Their version was never released either.

Aha! We can probably start placing bets that some semblance of "Sweetie" will show up on PLEASURE ISLAND...if that album ever comes to fruition.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: donald on December 09, 2009, 08:40:56 AM
I have one! 

I've seen lots of references to the misprinting of "don't break down" instead of "don't back down" on the cover of the first pressing of All Summer Long, but I'm curious how many copies were printed?  Are we talking like, a "Butcher Cover" sort of misprint, where like ten albums went out, or did they make a whole bunch of them?  I just found a copy! :-) and so I was wondering... 

also, what ratio of mono to stereo albums, in general, went out for the Beach Boys pre-pet sounds...I know the stereo was fake as often as not, but ignoring that, was it half and half?  3/4 stereo 1/4 mono? 

Re don't Break Down listed on the cover:  I don't know how many copies were printed.  It is certainly not Butcher cover rarity..at least in terms of  value.  I have a copy bought used many years ago.  I looked  it up in a Goldmine or similar catalogue.  It is worth a few dollars more...maybe 10-15 bucks....more than a corrected cover from roughly the same era.  But never the less, a neat piece if you are a BB collector.




Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: adamghost on December 09, 2009, 08:54:40 AM
Another inconsequential question but in interviews in 1981 Mike talked about still writing songs with Brian and Brian having written one called Sweetie. Have many bootlegs emerged of songs recorded by the band in the year or two following KTSA? And is the aforementioned song any good?

They actually did some recording in '80-81 and laid down about half a dozen songs, "Sweetie" being one of them.  None of them have been bootlegged to my knowledge, but I could be wrong about that.  I think that "Be My Baby" from Mike's solo album was one of these tracks.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 09, 2009, 08:56:13 AM
I have one! 

I've seen lots of references to the misprinting of "don't break down" instead of "don't back down" on the cover of the first pressing of All Summer Long, but I'm curious how many copies were printed?  Are we talking like, a "Butcher Cover" sort of misprint, where like ten albums went out, or did they make a whole bunch of them?  I just found a copy! :-) and so I was wondering... 

Don't Break Down was printed on the front cover of the entire first pressing of the ASL LP. This means there were hundreds of thousands printed. Not a very rare rarity. The second printing corrected it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on December 09, 2009, 09:36:51 AM
They actually did some recording in '80-81 and laid down about half a dozen songs, "Sweetie" being one of them.  None of them have been bootlegged to my knowledge, but I could be wrong about that.  I think that "Be My Baby" from Mike's solo album was one of these tracks.

Brian and Michael did a few sessions at Michael's home studio in '80, then Brian was recording a lot in '81. Sweetie is booted in piano/vocal form, as are two other 1981 Brian songs, Reins and Walking On Water.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Pretty Funky on December 09, 2009, 12:47:12 PM
I snuck this in the Knebworth thread but have had no answer. Wondering if anyone knows where it came from please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoX1SmknVDs


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 09, 2009, 01:20:03 PM
I snuck this in the Knebworth thread but have had no answer. Wondering if anyone knows where it came from please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoX1SmknVDs
20/20 (or a similar US TV program) aired a profile on the BB's upcoming 20th anniversary year. That's what this footage is from. The entire show has circulated among collectors for decades.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: phirnis on December 09, 2009, 02:29:55 PM
I snuck this in the Knebworth thread but have had no answer. Wondering if anyone knows where it came from please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoX1SmknVDs

"...because we're so good!"

Gotta love that guy.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Nicko on December 10, 2009, 01:14:54 AM
On another Youtube clip Al and Bruce talk about recording a live album in Cleveland in 1982. Did this recording take place and, if so, why wasn't it released?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 10, 2009, 10:16:29 AM
On another Youtube clip Al and Bruce talk about recording a live album in Cleveland in 1982. Did this recording take place and, if so, why wasn't it released?

One song did - "Runaway", on the 1986 Sunkist album.  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Alex on December 10, 2009, 11:40:01 AM
Sunkist album?? :o :o


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on December 10, 2009, 11:52:20 AM
Sunkist album?? :o :o

(http://i50.tinypic.com/14n1gnb.jpg)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 10, 2009, 11:55:31 AM
Sunkist album.  ;D

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://991.com/newgallery/Beach-Boys-25-Years-Of-Good-356798.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musicstack.com/album/beach_boys/25_years_of_good_vibrations&usg=__Rekz1INxBwujEmHl4E5Lzzj4tHE=&h=465&w=450&sz=40&hl=en&start=8&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=WsQ7evHSlioHRM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Beach%2BBoys%2522%2B%252BSunkist%2B%252Balbum%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1%26newwindow%3D1 (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://991.com/newgallery/Beach-Boys-25-Years-Of-Good-356798.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musicstack.com/album/beach_boys/25_years_of_good_vibrations&usg=__Rekz1INxBwujEmHl4E5Lzzj4tHE=&h=465&w=450&sz=40&hl=en&start=8&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=WsQ7evHSlioHRM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Beach%2BBoys%2522%2B%252BSunkist%2B%252Balbum%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1%26newwindow%3D1)

Side 1
1. Rock 'N' Roll To The Rescue
2. California Dreamin'
3. Runaway
4. California Girls
5. Wouldn't It Be Nice

Side 2
1. Good Vibrations
2. Fun, Fun, Fun
3. Getcha Back
4. Beach Boys Medley.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Alex on December 10, 2009, 12:03:56 PM
Sunkist album.  ;D

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://991.com/newgallery/Beach-Boys-25-Years-Of-Good-356798.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musicstack.com/album/beach_boys/25_years_of_good_vibrations&usg=__Rekz1INxBwujEmHl4E5Lzzj4tHE=&h=465&w=450&sz=40&hl=en&start=8&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=WsQ7evHSlioHRM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Beach%2BBoys%2522%2B%252BSunkist%2B%252Balbum%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1%26newwindow%3D1 (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://991.com/newgallery/Beach-Boys-25-Years-Of-Good-356798.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musicstack.com/album/beach_boys/25_years_of_good_vibrations&usg=__Rekz1INxBwujEmHl4E5Lzzj4tHE=&h=465&w=450&sz=40&hl=en&start=8&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=WsQ7evHSlioHRM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Beach%2BBoys%2522%2B%252BSunkist%2B%252Balbum%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1%26newwindow%3D1)

Side 1
1. Rock 'N' Roll To The Rescue
2. California Dreamin'
3. Runaway
4. California Girls
5. Wouldn't It Be Nice

Side 2
1. Good Vibrations
2. Fun, Fun, Fun
3. Getcha Back
4. Beach Boys Medley.
That infamous medley...gotta love Stars On 45!!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on December 10, 2009, 12:14:15 PM
That infamous medley...gotta love Stars On 45!!
About that medley: I've never understood why they bothered to add (or rather the early 80s equivalent to copy/paste) extra handclaps to the portion of "I Get Around". Granted, a lot more could be questioned regarding the medley.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: tpesky on December 10, 2009, 02:56:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLx5Y5zRww

Al wearing white shorts and shoes with black socks. Was he single then or did his wife just want him to look like a dork?

Did anyone on stage or in the organization not have a....eh....queer eye to offer some advice?

In Al's defense (which I am not sure is totally possible in this case), I think he is wearing red socks to match his red shirt.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: variable2 on December 10, 2009, 03:39:38 PM
Sunkist album?? :o :o

(http://i50.tinypic.com/14n1gnb.jpg)

my dear lord.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on December 10, 2009, 03:51:29 PM
The best part was that Sunkist was the official sponsor of one of the 1986 tours!

"Ladies and gentlemen, SUNKIST proudly presents from Southern California: America's Band, THE BEACH BOYS!" - Audio proof from a York, PA show in 1986.

Oh, you'd BETTER believe it. :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Pretty Funky on December 10, 2009, 04:15:55 PM
I snuck this in the Knebworth thread but have had no answer. Wondering if anyone knows where it came from please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoX1SmknVDs
20/20 (or a similar US TV program) aired a profile on the BB's upcoming 20th anniversary year. That's what this footage is from. The entire show has circulated among collectors for decades.

Thanks Jon.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on December 10, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
1967-74 Brian and Al are easily confused but Brian stops mid song and says I don't want to sing this sh-t.
If you listen closely, Brian(?) says "keep going Al".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 10, 2009, 10:34:43 PM
1967-74 Brian and Al are easily confused but Brian stops mid song and says I don't want to sing this sh-t.
If you listen closely, Brian(?) says "keep going Al".

"Keep going, man."

Just Brian saying it during his vocal take.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on December 10, 2009, 10:58:19 PM
The best part was that Sunkist was the official sponsor of one of the 1986 tours!

"Ladies and gentlemen, SUNKIST proudly presents from Southern California: America's Band, THE BEACH BOYS!" - Audio proof from a York, PA show in 1986.

Oh, you'd BETTER believe it. :)
Somewhere in my collection I have a Sunkist T.V. commercial with a rip off band doing a badly reworked version of Good Vibrations. I can't figure out if they are being serious, or doing a parody.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: bossaroo on December 11, 2009, 12:10:07 PM
so..... where can I hear the tune "Walkin"???


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on December 12, 2009, 07:51:45 AM
The best part was that Sunkist was the official sponsor of one of the 1986 tours!

"Ladies and gentlemen, SUNKIST proudly presents from Southern California: America's Band, THE BEACH BOYS!" - Audio proof from a York, PA show in 1986.

Oh, you'd BETTER believe it. :)
Somewhere in my collection I have a Sunkist T.V. commercial with a rip off band doing a badly reworked version of Good Vibrations. I can't figure out if they are being serious, or doing a parody.


I feel like it's on a BB/BW doc....I'm thinking the A&E Bio to Brian Wilson.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Alex on December 12, 2009, 10:37:49 AM
The best part was that Sunkist was the official sponsor of one of the 1986 tours!

"Ladies and gentlemen, SUNKIST proudly presents from Southern California: America's Band, THE BEACH BOYS!" - Audio proof from a York, PA show in 1986.

Oh, you'd BETTER believe it. :)
Somewhere in my collection I have a Sunkist T.V. commercial with a rip off band doing a badly reworked version of Good Vibrations. I can't figure out if they are being serious, or doing a parody.


I feel like it's on a BB/BW doc....I'm thinking the A&E Bio to Brian Wilson.
Gym Class Heroes did yet another crappy cover of it for a new Sunkist commercial a couple years ago.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Nicole on December 15, 2009, 02:42:34 PM
Awesome, this is a good thread. On the That's Not Me session highlights from the Pet Sounds box, what are they singing in the background towards the end of the track? I can't make out what they're saying.
Is that where they put the background vocals from I Just Wasnt Made...? I think those are Spanish lyrics, and there was a recent thread about those. http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,7879.0.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,7879.0.html)

Aaand that's probably why I couldn't understand it :P Thanks for bringing the thread to my attention, I don't remember seeing it before.

On the cover of the new(ish, from last year) Capitol Pet Sounds vinyl reissues, why are Sloop John B. and Caroline No taken out of the regular order of the track listing and placed at the top? They're also in white while the rest are in yellow. Not that it matters at all, I'm just curious as to why they've been put in front.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on December 15, 2009, 04:28:21 PM
That's how they appeared on the original 1966 covers.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Ebb and Flow on December 15, 2009, 05:30:45 PM
And I think the reasoning for that was that they were the two singles released prior to the album's release.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on December 15, 2009, 05:59:51 PM
I have a question about I Just Wasn't Made For These Times(the song). It's probably something that a lot of people here know, but it's just something that has bugged me. When Brian sings "sometimes I feel very sad", what is Mike(?) singing at the same time underneath Brian? I've never been able to make it out.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on December 16, 2009, 03:02:05 AM
Aren't those vocals the Spanish lyrics Brian forgot about?

"O cuándo seré... un dia seré..."

They mean 'Oh, when will I be...? One day I will be...?'

Brian was using Spanish during the recording of Pet Sounds for some reason... during the tracking of one song, I can't remember which, he calls for 'Take Eight... Ocho... Eight'. Didn't he learn some at school or something?

Anyway, the vocals are there in IJWMFTT. But by the time the Pet Sounds box set and stereo mix was released in 1996 he'd forgotten all about them. If I remember the story correctly, someone asked him why he'd put Spanish BVs on that track, and he said 'WHAT Spanish vocals? There aren't any!' So they played him the isolated vocals and he was absolutely, completely surprised. I seem to recall he said something like 'Well I'll be damned'.

Such a memory loss isn't all that amazing. I mean, it's incredible that Brian even knows who he is when you consider all the drugs he took. And of course, although I remember that this story is true and that I read it somewhere, *I* can't remember where... and that's only 13.5 years ago. And I haven't taken a fraction of the drugs Brian did through the years... ;)

MattB


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on December 16, 2009, 06:07:55 AM
I have a question about I Just Wasn't Made For These Times(the song). It's probably something that a lot of people here know, but it's just something that has bugged me. When Brian sings "sometimes I feel very sad", what is Mike(?) singing at the same time underneath Brian? I've never been able to make it out.

In case it wasn't the Spanish vocals you were asking about, the countervocal to "Sometimes I feel very sad" is reportedly "Can't find nothing I can put my heart and soul into" (although I will often hear this as "Don't know what my heart and soul are into"). And I believe it's Brian doing that vocal since his is the only voice heard on the song, right?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 16, 2009, 10:49:08 AM
I have a question about I Just Wasn't Made For These Times(the song). It's probably something that a lot of people here know, but it's just something that has bugged me. When Brian sings "sometimes I feel very sad", what is Mike(?) singing at the same time underneath Brian? I've never been able to make it out.

In case it wasn't the Spanish vocals you were asking about, the countervocal to "Sometimes I feel very sad" is reportedly "Can't find nothing I can put my heart and soul into" (although I will often hear this as "Don't know what my heart and soul are into"). And I believe it's Brian doing that vocal since his is the only voice heard on the song, right?

Taken from the Columbia tape log, of the seven vocal tracks on this song, one says 'group': the other six say 'Bryan'.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 16, 2009, 10:52:43 AM
Such a memory loss isn't all that amazing. I mean, it's incredible that Brian even knows who he is when you consider all the drugs he took. And of course, although I remember that this story is true and that I read it somewhere, *I* can't remember where... and that's only 13.5 years ago. And I haven't taken a fraction of the drugs Brian did through the years... ;)

MattB

Ummmm... box set released 1997... this is 2009... my math makes that 12, not 13 1/2.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on December 16, 2009, 12:26:31 PM
Except that the reporting of Brian's response and reaction were printed in successive Breakaway with Brian Wilson newsletters of 1996. So the 13 years is more accurate.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 16, 2009, 01:45:34 PM
'Course - forgot it was supposed to be a 1996 release. Still got the promo cassettes from '96 somewhere.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Chris Brown on December 16, 2009, 11:01:25 PM
I have a question about I Just Wasn't Made For These Times(the song). It's probably something that a lot of people here know, but it's just something that has bugged me. When Brian sings "sometimes I feel very sad", what is Mike(?) singing at the same time underneath Brian? I've never been able to make it out.

In case it wasn't the Spanish vocals you were asking about, the countervocal to "Sometimes I feel very sad" is reportedly "Can't find nothing I can put my heart and soul into" (although I will often hear this as "Don't know what my heart and soul are into"). And I believe it's Brian doing that vocal since his is the only voice heard on the song, right?

Taken from the Columbia tape log, of the seven vocal tracks on this song, one says 'group': the other six say 'Bryan'.

Which all makes perfect sense (aside from the misspelling); the group sang the spanish backing vocals (and the harmony stack at the end, presumably), and Brian sang (and doubled) the three other lines ("sometimes I feel very sad," "can't find the right thing I can put my heart and soul into," and "people I know don't wanna be where I'm at") and obviously the lead. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on December 17, 2009, 01:01:35 AM
Funny, isn't it, how you remember some things accurately but not others — I knew I'd read that in 1996 and not 1997, but can't remember where it was that I read it! It may have been an edition of 'Breakaway...' from back then, yes — I was never a subscriber, but people used to post bits on-line and perhaps that was one of them (or were the newsletters even up in full at Brian's old site? I can't remember). So when I read that, that must have been after work was complete on the Pet Sounds box in 1995-6, but before it actually came out in 1997.

MattB


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: metal flake paint on December 23, 2009, 03:10:14 AM
I've always been curious about any other songs The Beach Boys performed during the New Year's Rockin' Eve ABCTV show, 1974. There is/was footage on Youtube of the band playing "Good Vibrations" (group) and "Darlin" (with Chicago). Carl, Al and Mike also provided harmonies on "Wishing You Were Here". Apparently "Surfer Girl" was played too although, to the best of my knowledge, footage of this has not yet surfaced.

A photo of the band taken at the show reveals Carl playing a 12-string guitar which he didn't use during "GV" or "Darlin'". I doubt that it's a shot of them playing "Surfer Girl" either as the tambourine seems out of place and Carl is standing back from his mic in a song which features full group vocals throughout.

This is purely my theory:

Al is upfront and seems to be singing lead. Carl and Al appear to be playing an A chord. Mike is on tambourine suggesting an uptempo number. In Concert features such a song which was transposed from its original key of C sharp to the key of A during this period: "Help Me Rhonda".

I also recall seeing a banjo resting on top of one of the amps. IIRC Al played the banjo at Wembley in 1975 and that concert included "California Saga/California" so is it possible they played that here too?

Cool performances by The Beach Boys (despite Dennis's absence) and ones that I hope would see legitimate release someday.

(http://i351.photobucket.com/albums/q476/marcus1970/rockineve.jpg)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on December 23, 2009, 04:26:02 AM
Nice theory, Loaf. I hope there's anyone that could tell more about it.

I've always been curious about any other songs The Beach Boys performed during the New Year's Rockin' Eve ABCTV show, 1974. There is/was footage on Youtube of the band playing "Good Vibrations" (group) and "Darlin" (with Chicago). Carl, Al and Mike also provided harmonies on "Wishing You Were Here". Apparently "Surfer Girl" was played too although, to the best of my knowledge, footage of this has not yet surfaced.

Footage of all 4 songs exists, and circulates among collectors. From time to time you'll see it on YouTube, but apparently those who own the copyrights of that broadcast keep a good eye on it...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: shelter on December 23, 2009, 04:32:26 AM
Why is '409' (#76) on almost every Beach Boys hit compilation while 'Heroes And Villains' (#12) and 'Be True To Your School' (#6) are often missing?

Where does the story come from that The Beach Boys returned from Japan and found out about "all that weird new music" that Brian had been making, when the only things that Brian recorded during their absence was 'Let's Go Away For Awhile' (shouldn't be too weird for a band that had already released 'The Nearest Faraway Place' en 'Summer Means New Love'), 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' (probably the most "normal" song on the whole record) and the intro of 'You Still Believe In Me'?

- How could 'Pet Sounds' chart so (relatively) low in the US when it had more US top 40 hits than any other Beach Boys album before or since?

- Who compiled the 'Best Of The Beach Boys' LPs (from 1966/1967/1968) and what was he smoking at the time?

- Why didn't the band return to "the formula" when Brian stepped back in 1967?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on December 23, 2009, 05:11:16 AM
Why is '409' (#76) on almost every Beach Boys hit compilation while 'Heroes And Villains' (#12) and 'Be True To Your School' (#6) are often missing?

Where does the story come from that The Beach Boys returned from Japan and found out about "all that weird new music" that Brian had been making, when the only things that Brian recorded during their absence was 'Let's Go Away For Awhile' (shouldn't be too weird for a band that had already released 'The Nearest Faraway Place' en 'Summer Means New Love'), 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' (probably the most "normal" song on the whole record) and the intro of 'You Still Believe In Me'?

- How could 'Pet Sounds' chart so (relatively) low in the US when it had more US top 40 hits than any other Beach Boys album before or since?

- Who compiled the 'Best Of The Beach Boys' LPs (from 1966/1967/1968) and what was he smoking at the time?

- Why didn't the band return to "the formula" when Brian stepped back in 1967?

huh? You're a few years off with that one. and traditionally, instrumentals were filler/b-side material.

I imagine the lyrics to WIBN might have been a turn off.
Plus, just because the songs weren't recorded doesn't mean they hadn't been written. Brian probably played them to the group at his house.

I guess this also has been covered..... but was Pet Sounds really undermined by Capitol? I've read stories about them not sending out more copies to stores and whatnot, although these sound slightly spurious.

And i suppose they just didn't want to follow the same old schtick, although that doesn't explain Do It Again. I guess they got tired of it too, although a little too late.

Thats my guess, anyway.



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: shelter on December 23, 2009, 06:38:41 AM
huh? You're a few years off with that one.

You're right, of course. Slip of my mind.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: shelter on December 23, 2009, 06:54:48 AM
I imagine the lyrics to WIBN might have been a turn off.
Plus, just because the songs weren't recorded doesn't mean they hadn't been written. Brian probably played them to the group at his house.

I don't see how the lyrics to WIBN could've been a problem. A year before the summer of love, they were singing "Gee, I wish we were old enough to get married so that we could finally sleep together". Must've sounded pretty conservative even for that time.

And besides that, to my ears there really isn't that much on 'Pet Sounds' that would've been terrible out of place on side B of 'Today!' - apart from maybe a few experimental things like the YSBIM intro or the "woo-woo machine" on IJWMFTT.

So what I'm really wondering is: were people really so worried about the actual sound of the slower songs on 'Pet Sounds', or was it just because there were so many of them? Imagine if side A of 'Today!' would've been identical to side B... I guess Brian would've gotten the same kind of resistance as he got with 'Pet Sounds'.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on December 23, 2009, 08:25:03 AM
The lyrics to WIBN are melancholy stuff. It's attached to an estatic arrangement which distracts from their emotional punch,  but still they're as sad as hell. The group/label wanted happier material, i'm guessing.

I can't picture a lot of Pet Sounds on Today - the arrangements are more complex, and the subject matter slightly more emotional too. But i get what you're saying.

I guess some just thought it was not what the public wanted. I'm not sure whether record buyers minded so much, or were that hostile to it - as you mentioned, Pet Sounds had more hits on it than their other albums.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 23, 2009, 09:56:54 AM
Why is '409' (#76) on almost every Beach Boys hit compilation while 'Heroes And Villains' (#12) and 'Be True To Your School' (#6) are often missing?

Where does the story come from that The Beach Boys returned from Japan and found out about "all that weird new music" that Brian had been making, when the only things that Brian recorded during their absence was 'Let's Go Away For Awhile' (shouldn't be too weird for a band that had already released 'The Nearest Faraway Place' en 'Summer Means New Love'), 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' (probably the most "normal" song on the whole record) and the intro of 'You Still Believe In Me'?

- How could 'Pet Sounds' chart so (relatively) low in the US when it had more US top 40 hits than any other Beach Boys album before or since?

- Who compiled the 'Best Of The Beach Boys' LPs (from 1966/1967/1968) and what was he smoking at the time?

- Why didn't the band return to "the formula" when Brian stepped back in 1967?
409 was the band's first "Car" hit...and it was a bigger hit than Surfin' Safari in some major markets across the U.S.

Pet Sounds charted relatively low because it didn't sell well enough to chart higher. LP charts are based on sales...singles charts are a mix of sales and radio play.

Someone at Capitol with no aesthetic skills.

The band didn't return to the "formula"...because Carl and Dennis (combined with Brian) had more leverage over direction than Mike...and the "formula' thing is mostly BS anyway.



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Nicko on December 23, 2009, 04:45:41 PM

The band didn't return to the "formula"...because Carl and Dennis (combined with Brian) had more leverage over direction than Mike...and the "formula' thing is mostly BS anyway.

Is that true of 1967? I would have thought that Mike would have had more say than Dennis at that point as he was co-writing almost every song on Wild Honey. But the band hadn't recorded any cars or surfing songs for a while and Mike was probably happy to write songs about other subjects.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 23, 2009, 04:50:04 PM

The band didn't return to the "formula"...because Carl and Dennis (combined with Brian) had more leverage over direction than Mike...and the "formula' thing is mostly BS anyway.

Is that true of 1967? I would have thought that Mike would have had more say than Dennis at that point as he was co-writing almost every song on Wild Honey. But the band hadn't recorded any cars or surfing songs for a while and Mike was probably happy to write songs about other subjects.

Yes, I found that interesting, too. I'm used to reading that Carl and particularly Dennis weren't taken seriously as composers, had their songs rejected, and ultimately lost out on most votes. I guess that happened when Brian began "to give" his vote to Mike.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 23, 2009, 05:18:18 PM

The band didn't return to the "formula"...because Carl and Dennis (combined with Brian) had more leverage over direction than Mike...and the "formula' thing is mostly BS anyway.

Is that true of 1967? I would have thought that Mike would have had more say than Dennis at that point as he was co-writing almost every song on Wild Honey. But the band hadn't recorded any cars or surfing songs for a while and Mike was probably happy to write songs about other subjects.

Yes, I found that interesting, too. I'm used to reading that Carl and particularly Dennis weren't taken seriously as composers, had their songs rejected, and ultimately lost out on most votes. I guess that happened when Brian began "to give" his vote to Mike.
I think SJS is confusing '67  with '76...I wasn't specifically talking about CW & DW's songs anyway, that would be irrelevant since neither had written much yet...but I was referring to aesthetic direction of the band. Also... I never said Dennis had more say than Mike in '67...he didn't. I said In 1967 Carl and Dennis(combined with Brian) had more say over the direction of the BB's than Mike. They did. Therefore if Mike really wanted to "return to the formula" he would have needed an ally like Brian or CW+DW to pull it off.  However, I also said that the "formula" thing is mostly BS anyway...meaning that none of them (including Mike) truly wanted to return to the formula. That's been hyped out of proportion. The orig. question was...why didn't they return to the formula when Brian receded in '67. Right? That question assumes Mike had the power and the desire to do this, since HE is the one always charged with wanting to return. But the answer is HE had neither.  I would have thought you guys could have gleaned that from what I wrote the first time...didn't expect to have to spell it out for you. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 23, 2009, 06:08:14 PM
I would have thought you guys could have gleaned that from what I wrote the first time...didn't expect to have to spell it out for you. 

Sorry you had to "spell it out" for us, Jon. We'll try to do a better job next time at understanding you the first time, then we won't have to inconvenience you into "explaining" your thoughts.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: KokoMoses on December 23, 2009, 07:50:01 PM
The "formula" thing has always bugged me too. Not so much as to debate if it's BS or not. I think it's both true AND  b.s, but that's another argument. What I don't understand is the whole problem with Mike apparantly pushing for a return to it. Or whatever the case: the Beach Boys degenerating into a hits only travelling jukebox that was dragged out of some garage where it had sat since 1965. As myself and others have stated, the Beach Boys were always ahead of the curve in so many ways. Pretty much every major band has returned to "The Formula" at some point or another. Go see U2 and tell me how many songs they play from the POP album! Fogerty now plays all the old Creedence Hits! There are other examples, but it doesn't even matter. Just how many surfing or car songs did the Beach Boys record and release since Do It Again in 1969? I'm assuming that surfing and or car songs mark the criteria as to what is usually negatively referred to as the formula that Mike supposedly was pushing for! If this is the case, he pretty much failed!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Nicko on December 23, 2009, 08:30:21 PM
Everybody needs someone to blame and sometimes the criticisms of Mike have been fair and sometimes they haven't been. The formula has been returned to several times in Brian's solo career as well though which many people choose to ignore.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 24, 2009, 01:23:54 AM
Has it ever been said what linked "Time to Get Alone" to Smile? It was apparently considered for Brian Wilson Presents Smile.

Or has it been confirmed that "Can't Wait Too Long" has origins in the Smile sessions?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on December 24, 2009, 05:23:40 AM

Or has it been confirmed that "Can't Wait Too Long" has origins in the Smile sessions?

The riff is pretty much identical to Wind Chimes....

Here's one. Were there an alternate set of lyrics to Don't Worry Baby? If Brian was shopping it to Spector, it would have to have been from the female perspective, girl groups and all that. Any ideas?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 24, 2009, 05:25:54 AM
Has it ever been said what linked "Time to Get Alone" to Smile? It was apparently considered for Brian Wilson Presents Smile.

Or has it been confirmed that "Can't Wait Too Long" has origins in the Smile sessions?

If you don't mind, runnersdialzero, I'd like to throw "Diamond Head" and "Tones" (was Brian involved) into your question also....


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 24, 2009, 05:47:14 AM

The riff is pretty much identical to Wind Chimes....

Pretty similar, although it seems there's more to it than just bearing resemblance to the chorus of "Wind Chimes".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Chris Brown on December 24, 2009, 08:15:10 AM
Here's one. Were there an alternate set of lyrics to Don't Worry Baby? If Brian was shopping it to Spector, it would have to have been from the female perspective, girl groups and all that. Any ideas?

You know, I've never thought about that, but its a great question.  Brian wanted Ronnie Spector to sing it, so the lyrics must have been a little different.  I've never heard anything about it, but I would think that the original lyrics were similar to those in the versions of the song subsequently sung by females (Lorrie Morgan's is the first example that comes to mind)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on December 24, 2009, 08:53:36 AM
Has it ever been said what linked "Time to Get Alone" to Smile? It was apparently considered for Brian Wilson Presents Smile.

I believe the "link" existed simply due to the proximity of its writing to the SMiLE period. Remember, back in '03 the intention was to perform "SMiLE"-period songs live in concert in some kind of organized fashion. I believe Darian printed out cards for Brian with the names of every known song/recording from mid-'66 to mid-'67 with the instructions for Brian to review them and determine which songs he wanted to perform from this period, and, specifically, which ones were directly related to the SMiLE project. I'm thinking "Time To Get Alone" was one Brian was keen on performing for a while so it made it into the list for the SMiLE shows. Once Brian and Darian started to piece together the songs, the initial plan quickly evolved into "finishing" SMiLE as a concert piece and songs like "Time To Get Alone" and "Diamond Head" were left by the wayside.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 24, 2009, 09:49:56 AM
They did, however, include "TTGA" during the first set at the RFH shows in February 2004. Unwisely, as it was something of a train-wreck.  ???


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 24, 2009, 09:52:52 AM
How bad?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on December 24, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
On the recording I have of one of them, Jeff ends up taking the majority of the lead as Brian, I think, knows it's too high for him. When Brian does sing his vocal is not all that good although the arrangement is fine.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on December 24, 2009, 12:25:09 PM
Here's one. Were there an alternate set of lyrics to Don't Worry Baby? If Brian was shopping it to Spector, it would have to have been from the female perspective, girl groups and all that. Any ideas?
Wasn't there an alternate/early lyric about a boy being sent to war?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 25, 2009, 05:41:54 AM
On the recording I have of one of them, Jeff ends up taking the majority of the lead as Brian, I think, knows it's too high for him. When Brian does sing his vocal is not all that good although the arrangement is fine.

Of course Jeff would do something like this.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: metal flake paint on December 25, 2009, 01:27:14 PM
Here's one. Were there an alternate set of lyrics to Don't Worry Baby? If Brian was shopping it to Spector, it would have to have been from the female perspective, girl groups and all that. Any ideas?
Wasn't there an alternate/early lyric about a boy being sent to war?

Check out Rich E P's post:
http://www.shutdown-vol2.com/forum/index.php?topic=3324.msg53641#msg53641


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on December 25, 2009, 02:25:35 PM
Here's one. Were there an alternate set of lyrics to Don't Worry Baby? If Brian was shopping it to Spector, it would have to have been from the female perspective, girl groups and all that. Any ideas?
Wasn't there an alternate/early lyric about a boy being sent to war?

Check out Rich E P's post:
http://www.shutdown-vol2.com/forum/index.php?topic=3324.msg53641#msg53641
Yes! For once, memory serves me right! :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 08, 2010, 06:51:46 PM
Sweetie did become Love Ya -- which became Sweetie again during the sessions for Carnie and Wendy's album in 96-97. Their version was never released either.
Only Brian Wilson could write a song, change it almost 100%....and eventually go back to the first version again.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 08, 2010, 07:04:57 PM
I decided to bring this topic back up, because I have a few questions:

1. During the last year or so of Dennis's life, did he and Mike really hate each other's guts as badly as has been stated in various books? Did Mike and Dennis really have a restraing order against each other, while the group was on tour? How did Mike take Dennis's death?

2. When Brian got clean and sober in 1983, how was his relationship with Dennis? Did they actually have a relationship, or did Landy keep them as far apart as possible?

3. Why didn't the beach boys actually break up, for good? With all the chaos and hatred and general misery going on, why didn't they just call it a day, and try to hold on to whatever sanity they had left? They seem to have broken up a few times, but they always got back together again after a few weeks or months. You would think that the easy thing to do would be to break up, and just avoid each other as much as possible.

Edit: One more question:

4. Why did The Beach Boys occasionally do the discarded "hum be da" section of Good Vibrations in concert around the 1977-78 period?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on January 08, 2010, 07:53:44 PM
4. Why did The Beach Boys occasionally do the discarded "hum be da" section of Good Vibrations in concert around the 1977-78 period?
I know that in Austrailia Carl was dragging "gotta keep those loving good vibrations..." on and on and on and Brian, of all people, got bored and started up the "hum be dums" section to end the song or at least move onto something new. You can hear this on the "Endless Bummer" bootleg and Brian starts it quite a bit off key. Hilarious.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 08, 2010, 08:32:12 PM
4. Why did The Beach Boys occasionally do the discarded "hum be da" section of Good Vibrations in concert around the 1977-78 period?
I know that in Austrailia Carl was dragging "gotta keep those loving good vibrations..." on and on and on and Brian, of all people, got bored and started up the "hum be dums" section to end the song or at least move onto something new. You can hear this on the "Endless Bummer" bootleg and Brian starts it quite a bit off key. Hilarious.
I've heard that version. I always wondered why Brian did that. I mean, the "hum be da" thing specifically. I know that it was to get the song "back on track", but why an aborted Good Vibrations section, of all things? It's just another reason(of many) why I'd like to live in Brian's brain for a few days. Somebody once also mentioned on here that the group did the "hum be da" section at a show in Seattle in 1977.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 09, 2010, 10:30:32 AM
I decided to bring this topic back up, because I have a few questions:

1. During the last year or so of Dennis's life, did he and Mike really hate each other's guts as badly as has been stated in various books? Did Mike and Dennis really have a restraing order against each other, while the group was on tour? How did Mike take Dennis's death?

2. When Brian got clean and sober in 1983, how was his relationship with Dennis? Did they actually have a relationship, or did Landy keep them as far apart as possible?

3. Why didn't the beach boys actually break up, for good? With all the chaos and hatred and general misery going on, why didn't they just call it a day, and try to hold on to whatever sanity they had left? They seem to have broken up a few times, but they always got back together again after a few weeks or months. You would think that the easy thing to do would be to break up, and just avoid each other as much as possible.

Edit: One more question:

4. Why did The Beach Boys occasionally do the discarded "hum be da" section of Good Vibrations in concert around the 1977-78 period?
1. Love/Hate with hate usually winning out. Yes. Did you see Endless Harmony? In EH Mike tells you exactly how he took Dennis' death.
2. They kept him away from Dennis... except at concerts and promo events.
3.$$$$
4. No reason other than it was part of the arsenal.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: c-man on January 09, 2010, 10:39:27 AM
I decided to bring this topic back up, because I have a few questions:

1. During the last year or so of Dennis's life, did he and Mike really hate each other's guts as badly as has been stated in various books? Did Mike and Dennis really have a restraing order against each other, while the group was on tour? How did Mike take Dennis's death?

2. When Brian got clean and sober in 1983, how was his relationship with Dennis? Did they actually have a relationship, or did Landy keep them as far apart as possible?

3. Why didn't the beach boys actually break up, for good? With all the chaos and hatred and general misery going on, why didn't they just call it a day, and try to hold on to whatever sanity they had left? They seem to have broken up a few times, but they always got back together again after a few weeks or months. You would think that the easy thing to do would be to break up, and just avoid each other as much as possible.

Edit: One more question:

4. Why did The Beach Boys occasionally do the discarded "hum be da" section of Good Vibrations in concert around the 1977-78 period?
1. Love/Hate with hate usually winning out. Yes. Did you see Endless Harmony? In EH Mike tells you exactly how he took Dennis' death.
2. They kept him away from Dennis... except at concerts and promo events.
3.$$$$
4. No reason other than it was part of the arsenal.

Jon, I remember reading an interview with Mike several years back (was it the '92 Goldmine issue?), where he said he and Dennis actually did not have a mutual restraining order, but rather it was his brother Stan and Dennis.  And, probably around the time of Stan's 1990 attempt to gain conservatorship of Brian, I seem to recall it being reported that Mike had once charged Stan with "false imprisonment".  Anyone remember that?  If not, I'll try and dig out the sources when I have a chance.


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 09, 2010, 11:06:59 AM
Thanks C-man...so mutual restraining order with Stan, well documented physical altercations with Mike, Stan and Steve... DW quote in L.A. Times in late '78 stating DW won't have anything to do with the Beach Boys as long as Steve Love is involved with their business...DW MIU quote about Mike and his F'd Up karma, etc... etc...I guess he had a problem with the Loves eh?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 09, 2010, 11:55:41 AM
Thanks C-man...so mutual restraining order with Stan, well documented physical altercations with Mike, Stan and Steve... DW quote in L.A. Times in late '78 stating DW won't have anything to do with the Beach Boys as long as Steve Love is involved with their business...DW MIU quote about Mike and his F'd Up karma, etc... etc...I guess he had a problem with the Loves eh?

Only the male ones, apparently...  ;D


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Post by: A Million Units In Jan! on January 09, 2010, 01:58:34 PM
Thanks C-man...so mutual restraining order with Stan, well documented physical altercations with Mike, Stan and Steve... DW quote in L.A. Times in late '78 stating DW won't have anything to do with the Beach Boys as long as Steve Love is involved with their business...DW MIU quote about Mike and his F'd Up karma, etc... etc...I guess he had a problem with the Loves eh?

Only the male ones, apparently...  ;D

Yowsa!!


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Post by: bgas on January 09, 2010, 03:34:54 PM
Thanks C-man...so mutual restraining order with Stan, well documented physical altercations with Mike, Stan and Steve... DW quote in L.A. Times in late '78 stating DW won't have anything to do with the Beach Boys as long as Steve Love is involved with their business...DW MIU quote about Mike and his F'd Up karma, etc... etc...I guess he had a problem with the Loves eh?

Only the male ones, apparently...  ;D

Dennis and Maureen?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: the captain on January 09, 2010, 03:40:30 PM
Shawn.


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 09, 2010, 04:02:23 PM
Shawn.
More than Shawn according to inside legend and really old court documents...


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Post by: bgas on January 09, 2010, 04:22:07 PM
Shawn.
More than Shawn according to inside legend and really old court documents...

So, Maureen, AND( probably), the reason for each of Mike's divorces. 


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Post by: MBE on January 09, 2010, 07:27:41 PM
Shawn.
More than Shawn according to inside legend and really old court documents...


I don't think Jon means Mike's sister. The second wife fling is well known though


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Post by: Jay on January 09, 2010, 09:52:07 PM
I learn something new about The Beach Boys or/and Dennis every day.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 09, 2010, 09:58:29 PM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 10, 2010, 01:47:12 AM
Shawn.
More than Shawn according to inside legend and really old court documents...


I don't think Jon means Mike's sister. The second wife fling is well known though

It's know that Dennis & Suzanne had a fling - Brian quite causally mentioned it in a 2005 interview about something else entirely, and threw Marilyn into the mix for good measure.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 10, 2010, 01:48:37 AM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?

"Ecology" was the working title for a track Dennis worked on during his 1971 solo album sessions: the intro became the intro to "River Song".


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 10, 2010, 02:48:02 AM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?

Sorry, just read your post properly. Unless someone's been exceedingly careless, what you've heard isn't "Ecology".


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Post by: The Heartical Don on January 10, 2010, 03:23:52 AM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?

Sorry, just read your post properly. Unless someone's been exceedingly careless, what you've heard isn't "Ecology".

OT: I always found it tragic that the BBs who did their utmost best to destroy their own bodies were so involved with the preservation of nature and health (POB, the Radiant Radish). A psychiatrist would probably call it: living in denial; but this author has no doubt that their intentions were utmost sincere.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 10, 2010, 03:38:28 AM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?

Sorry, just read your post properly. Unless someone's been exceedingly careless, what you've heard isn't "Ecology".

OT: I always found it tragic that the BBs who did their utmost best to destroy their own bodies were so involved with the preservation of nature and health (POB, the Radiant Radish). A psychiatrist would probably call it: living in denial; but this author has no doubt that their intentions were utmost sincere.

That was what struck me about Dennis - at the precise moment he was saying anything, he was sincere, 100%. But five minutes later, could be a different tale.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on January 10, 2010, 03:40:51 AM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?

Sorry, just read your post properly. Unless someone's been exceedingly careless, what you've heard isn't "Ecology".

OT: I always found it tragic that the BBs who did their utmost best to destroy their own bodies were so involved with the preservation of nature and health (POB, the Radiant Radish). A psychiatrist would probably call it: living in denial; but this author has no doubt that their intentions were utmost sincere.

That was what struck me about Dennis - at the precise moment he was saying anything, he was sincere, 100%. But five minutes later, could be a different tale.

Nice call, cheers.


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Post by: Nicko on January 10, 2010, 03:43:22 AM
Shawn.
More than Shawn according to inside legend and really old court documents...


I don't think Jon means Mike's sister. The second wife fling is well known though

It's know that Dennis & Suzanne had a fling - Brian quite causally mentioned it in a 2005 interview about something else entirely, and threw Marilyn into the mix for good measure.

And Al's wife Lynda.


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Post by: c-man on January 10, 2010, 10:35:01 AM
Shawn.
More than Shawn according to inside legend and really old court documents...


I don't think Jon means Mike's sister. The second wife fling is well known though

It's know that Dennis & Suzanne had a fling - Brian quite causally mentioned it in a 2005 interview about something else entirely, and threw Marilyn into the mix for good measure.

And Al's wife Lynda.

Is that interview readily available?


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Post by: Nicko on January 10, 2010, 11:15:11 AM

Is that interview readily available?

If it's the same interview that AGD is talking about, it was in Q magazine and the question was something like:

Q. Did Dennis deserve his reputation as a ladies man?

A. Well, he had sex with my wife, Mike's wife and Al's wife, so yes.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 10, 2010, 11:32:23 AM

Is that interview readily available?

If it's the same interview that AGD is talking about, it was in Q magazine and the question was something like:

Q. Did Dennis deserve his reputation as a ladies man?

A. Well, he had sex with my wife, Mike's wife and Al's wife, so yes.

That's the one ! Brian's phraseology killed me: "he had intercourse with many women - my wife, Mike's wife, Alan's wife..."


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on January 10, 2010, 03:36:59 PM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?

Sorry, just read your post properly. Unless someone's been exceedingly careless, what you've heard isn't "Ecology".

OT: I always found it tragic that the BBs who did their utmost best to destroy their own bodies were so involved with the preservation of nature and health (POB, the Radiant Radish). A psychiatrist would probably call it: living in denial; but this author has no doubt that their intentions were utmost sincere.

That was what struck me about Dennis - at the precise moment he was saying anything, he was sincere, 100%. But five minutes later, could be a different tale.
Brian's the exact same way, in my estimation, that's why his favorite albums have gone from "Friends" to "Carl and the Passions" and "Holland" to "Summer Days" to "Love You" many times over.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: BillA on January 10, 2010, 05:59:18 PM
1. What was the relationship between Carl and Mike like?  We know a lot about Mike's relationship with Brian and Dennis but he really has never said anything about Carl and Carl never really said anything about him.

2. Who was responsible for the live arrangements of songs?

3. Starting with the 1976 the touring band exploded in size (horns, 3 or 4 keyboard players, Charles Lloyd, Ed Carter and Bobby F on percussion).   Why did they do this?

4. It has been reported that Carl and Brian had a strained relationship from about 1975 until a year or so prior to Carl's passing.  What was the problem?



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 10, 2010, 06:46:40 PM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?

Sorry, just read your post properly. Unless someone's been exceedingly careless, what you've heard isn't "Ecology".
What do you mean? The recording I have heard has the River Song melody, first played on piano, and then on  what sounds like a synthesizer. Then there is another section that has Dennis singing something along the lines of "Our Love, is bigger than the ocean". Then it ends with with mid tempo drums and guitar.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 10, 2010, 06:54:43 PM
1. What was the relationship between Carl and Mike like?  We know a lot about Mike's relationship with Brian and Dennis but he really has never said anything about Carl and Carl never really said anything about him.

2. Who was responsible for the live arrangements of songs?

3. Starting with the 1976 the touring band exploded in size (horns, 3 or 4 keyboard players, Charles Lloyd, Ed Carter and Bobby F on percussion).   Why did they do this?

4. It has been reported that Carl and Brian had a strained relationship from about 1975 until a year or so prior to Carl's passing.  What was the problem?


Sorry to butt in again, but I have a question about this subject(highlighted above). Why did the group only very rarely play the middle eight(is that what you'd call it?) of God Only Knows as heard on the original studio version? Most of the time when the song was played live, that section was substituted for another melody.


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Post by: Nicko on January 10, 2010, 08:08:05 PM
Another connected question, it's often said that Carl wanted the band to rehearse more and that Mike wasn't really interested in doing so. As Mike wouldn't really have been needed at rehearsals though, is it widely felt that Al and Bruce (and Brian and Dennis when around for that matter) also weren't really into doing that much preparation for shows?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Chris Brown on January 10, 2010, 10:31:12 PM
1. What was the relationship between Carl and Mike like?  We know a lot about Mike's relationship with Brian and Dennis but he really has never said anything about Carl and Carl never really said anything about him.

2. Who was responsible for the live arrangements of songs?

3. Starting with the 1976 the touring band exploded in size (horns, 3 or 4 keyboard players, Charles Lloyd, Ed Carter and Bobby F on percussion).   Why did they do this?

4. It has been reported that Carl and Brian had a strained relationship from about 1975 until a year or so prior to Carl's passing.  What was the problem?


Sorry to butt in again, but I have a question about this subject(highlighted above). Why did the group only very rarely play the middle eight(is that what you'd call it?) of God Only Knows as heard on the original studio version? Most of the time when the song was played live, that section was substituted for another melody.

I think I know the section you're talking about...I would more accurately descrbe it as the short instrumental break before the middle eight/bridge.  I've always wondered that too.  Brian himself altered this section on the Lei'd In Hawaii version, and the band just seemed to go along with it from there on in.  The little walk up is easier to play for sure, but that can't be the entire reason.  My best guess is that without additional musicians on stage with them, that section wouldn't sound the same as on the original recording, so they decided to keep it simple.  


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: c-man on January 11, 2010, 04:18:29 AM
1. What was the relationship between Carl and Mike like?  We know a lot about Mike's relationship with Brian and Dennis but he really has never said anything about Carl and Carl never really said anything about him.

2. Who was responsible for the live arrangements of songs?

3. Starting with the 1976 the touring band exploded in size (horns, 3 or 4 keyboard players, Charles Lloyd, Ed Carter and Bobby F on percussion).   Why did they do this?

4. It has been reported that Carl and Brian had a strained relationship from about 1975 until a year or so prior to Carl's passing.  What was the problem?


Sorry to butt in again, but I have a question about this subject(highlighted above). Why did the group only very rarely play the middle eight(is that what you'd call it?) of God Only Knows as heard on the original studio version? Most of the time when the song was played live, that section was substituted for another melody.

I think I know the section you're talking about...I would more accurately descrbe it as the short instrumental break before the middle eight/bridge.  I've always wondered that too.  Brian himself altered this section on the Lei'd In Hawaii version, and the band just seemed to go along with it from there on in.  The little walk up is easier to play for sure, but that can't be the entire reason.  My best guess is that without additional musicians on stage with them, that section wouldn't sound the same as on the original recording, so they decided to keep it simple.  

Yeah, but even after they got lots of extra musicians onstage with them, they still skipped that part for years (until the early-mid '90s, I think).  And even then, they didn't quite get it right.


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Post by: shelter on January 11, 2010, 04:25:51 AM
That was what struck me about Dennis - at the precise moment he was saying anything, he was sincere, 100%. But five minutes later, could be a different tale.

"Some people are addicted to drugs, some people are addicted to alcohol... But I'm addicted to making people happy."
 ::)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Chris Brown on January 11, 2010, 11:14:50 AM
1. What was the relationship between Carl and Mike like?  We know a lot about Mike's relationship with Brian and Dennis but he really has never said anything about Carl and Carl never really said anything about him.

2. Who was responsible for the live arrangements of songs?

3. Starting with the 1976 the touring band exploded in size (horns, 3 or 4 keyboard players, Charles Lloyd, Ed Carter and Bobby F on percussion).   Why did they do this?

4. It has been reported that Carl and Brian had a strained relationship from about 1975 until a year or so prior to Carl's passing.  What was the problem?


Sorry to butt in again, but I have a question about this subject(highlighted above). Why did the group only very rarely play the middle eight(is that what you'd call it?) of God Only Knows as heard on the original studio version? Most of the time when the song was played live, that section was substituted for another melody.

I think I know the section you're talking about...I would more accurately descrbe it as the short instrumental break before the middle eight/bridge.  I've always wondered that too.  Brian himself altered this section on the Lei'd In Hawaii version, and the band just seemed to go along with it from there on in.  The little walk up is easier to play for sure, but that can't be the entire reason.  My best guess is that without additional musicians on stage with them, that section wouldn't sound the same as on the original recording, so they decided to keep it simple.  

Yeah, but even after they got lots of extra musicians onstage with them, they still skipped that part for years (until the early-mid '90s, I think).  And even then, they didn't quite get it right.

That's a good point...maybe they just didn't like that part and thought that the walk up sounded better.  The part on the studio recording was a bit jarring for me when I first heard it, so perhaps they were worried that the audience would have a similar reaction.  That or they were just lazy.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Kvorka on January 13, 2010, 01:00:21 PM
How many weeks did Pet Sounds stay on the charts before it fell off back when it was originally relased?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 13, 2010, 01:36:01 PM
How many weeks did Pet Sounds stay on the charts before it fell off back when it was originally relased?

Check it out here - http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/charts.html (http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/charts.html)


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 13, 2010, 01:37:46 PM
How many weeks did Pet Sounds stay on the charts before it fell off back when it was originally relased?

Check it out here - http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/charts.html (http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/charts.html)
.

39 weeks.


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Post by: Pretty Funky on January 13, 2010, 01:41:07 PM
Carnie Wilson Unstapled. Who needs it?


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Post by: bgas on January 13, 2010, 02:53:15 PM
Carnie Wilson Unstapled. Who needs it?

Me!  Me!!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Dunderhead on January 16, 2010, 12:55:41 AM
So I've had this Odeon Records Version of Smile for a while, and it contains all the standard stuff, however it also has a version of Can't Wait Too Long, the first thirty seconds of which I've never heard before. It starts with a really mournful acapella part featuring a female voice and then breaks into a version of the main part of the song with clapping. Does anybody know where exactly this is from?


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Post by: Stegibo on January 18, 2010, 01:37:08 PM
Did Bruce Johnston ever sing lead on "Wouldn't It Be Nice" live?


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Post by: Sheriff John Stone on January 18, 2010, 01:59:19 PM
So I've had this Odeon Records Version of Smile for a while, and it contains all the standard stuff, however it also has a version of Can't Wait Too Long, the first thirty seconds of which I've never heard before. It starts with a really mournful acapella part featuring a female voice and then breaks into a version of the main part of the song with clapping. Does anybody know where exactly this is from?

Yes, I'd love to know, too.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 18, 2010, 02:24:57 PM
Did Bruce Johnston ever sing lead on "Wouldn't It Be Nice" live?

For some reason, I'm thinking he did, in the early 70s... but I could be in error here. I know he used to intro it by saying "the name of this song is..." (notably on the live version from Big Sur).


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 18, 2010, 07:04:02 PM
I have another "random" Beach Boys related question that really doesn't fit anywhere else. In the first few year of the 1970's Dennis could not play drums because of a bad injury to his hand. Yet he continued to tour with the group. My question is, what exactly did Dennis do onstage? I mean, besides act as "MC", to get the crowd excited and on their feet.


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Post by: the captain on January 18, 2010, 07:10:06 PM
I believe Dennis sang and played auxiliary percussion and keyboard parts.


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Post by: Jay on January 18, 2010, 07:17:57 PM
i forgot that he also sang lead on Help Me Rhonda on occasion.


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Post by: MBE on January 18, 2010, 09:30:50 PM
From 1971-72 when Dennis wasn't playing drums he sang at various shows "Barbara", "Cuddle Up", "I've Got A Friend", "Forever". In 1973-74 he mostly sang Rhonda but did "Forever" at least once. I've heard a rumer he did a song called "Baby Baby".


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Post by: Jay on January 18, 2010, 09:35:33 PM
I didn't know that Barbara was performed live.


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Post by: hypehat on January 19, 2010, 04:15:23 AM
Another live Dennis one....

in the It's Ok special (and so i can assume this was the touring set up for that year), you can see a second drummer on a second kit with the rest of the musicians behind the barriers.... how was he used? at first i thought he was just a quick replacement if Dennis fell over/whatever, but then you see him playing at the same time. Was Denny's kit not mic'd up, or at least turned down, in case he made mistakes and threw off the band?


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 19, 2010, 10:18:48 AM
Another live Dennis one....

in the It's Ok special (and so i can assume this was the touring set up for that year), you can see a second drummer on a second kit with the rest of the musicians behind the barriers.... how was he used? at first i thought he was just a quick replacement if Dennis fell over/whatever, but then you see him playing at the same time. Was Denny's kit not mic'd up, or at least turned down, in case he made mistakes and threw off the band?
That's not a second "kit"...that's a percussionist, Bobby Figueroa, the Beach Boys always used a percussionist on stage starting in '68 whether Dennis or Ricky or whoever was on drums... they had Mike Kowalski, Dennis Dragon, Bobby F or somebody on percussion...there was ALWAYS a percussionist up there. They used double kits briefly in '74/75 and again in '83. In the Its OK film Dennis' drums are not only mic'd up, they are kicking butt throughout.


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Post by: hypehat on January 19, 2010, 10:42:10 AM
Ok, my mistake. Cheers Jon, i knew about the percussionists but always swore that was a second kit.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on January 19, 2010, 11:01:18 AM
Here's a question: did Dennis routinely sing BVs at the drumset? I've seen footage and photos of him in the 70s with a wrap-around mic at the kit, but did he sing BVs/harmonies regularly. Would he ever sing lead and drum? Always curious...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 19, 2010, 11:17:19 AM
Here's a question: did Dennis routinely sing BVs at the drumset? I've seen footage and photos of him in the 70s with a wrap-around mic at the kit, but did he sing BVs/harmonies regularly. Would he ever sing lead and drum? Always curious...
Yes, but not a lot. Usually when he sang lead he came out front. But... around '65 to '68 he occasionally did some lead singing back there while on the drums. There were occasions where he drummed and sang Do You Wanna Dance live...and where he drummed and sang lead on the middle section of Surfer Girl. BV's... he tended to not sing them much in concert while drumming, which changed their blend since Dennis almost always sang BV's in the studio. He'd come out front in the early days for Surfer Girl, Hushabye, as he did in later days on Surfer Girl, In My room etc.. the blend ballads. The most obvious background part he sang WHILE drumming is on Its OK. If you can find footage of the band doing that song in '76/77 he's always singing his part on the tag while drumming. But more often in concert, if Dennis was going to sing, he came out front.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 19, 2010, 12:33:11 PM
Here's a question: did Dennis routinely sing BVs at the drumset? I've seen footage and photos of him in the 70s with a wrap-around mic at the kit, but did he sing BVs/harmonies regularly. Would he ever sing lead and drum? Always curious...
Yes, but not a lot. Usually when he sang lead he came out front. But... around '65 to '68 he occasionally did some lead singing back there while on the drums. There were occasions where he drummed and sang Do You Wanna Dance live...and where he drummed and sang lead on the middle section of Surfer Girl. BV's... he tended to not sing them much in concert while drumming, which changed their blend since Dennis almost always sang BV's in the studio. He'd come out front in the early days for Surfer Girl, Hushabye, as he did in later days on Surfer Girl, In My room etc.. the blend ballads. The most obvious background part he sang WHILE drumming is on Its OK. If you can find footage of the band doing that song in '76/77 he's always singing his part on the tag while drumming. But more often in concert, if Dennis was going to sing, he came out front.

There's photos from 1965 of Mike being a human mic stand for Dennis while he sings "Do You Wanna Dance" while drumming the while.  ;D


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Post by: Ed Roach on January 19, 2010, 12:47:55 PM
The most obvious background part he sang WHILE drumming is on Its OK. If you can find footage of the band doing that song in '76/77 he's always singing his part on the tag while drumming. But more often in concert, if Dennis was going to sing, he came out front.

Man, he 'got off' so much from literally taking over that song high on his kit on the close of "It's OK"!  He did sing some harmony parts 'back there' too, but found it tricky to sing & drum at the same time.  It drove him a little bats that Levon Helm, (The Band being one of the few groups he was a 'fan' of, particularly Rag Mama Rag), had such an easy time singing & playing at the same time.


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Post by: TdHabib on January 19, 2010, 04:45:27 PM
Here's a question: did Dennis routinely sing BVs at the drumset? I've seen footage and photos of him in the 70s with a wrap-around mic at the kit, but did he sing BVs/harmonies regularly. Would he ever sing lead and drum? Always curious...
Yes, but not a lot. Usually when he sang lead he came out front. But... around '65 to '68 he occasionally did some lead singing back there while on the drums. There were occasions where he drummed and sang Do You Wanna Dance live...and where he drummed and sang lead on the middle section of Surfer Girl. BV's... he tended to not sing them much in concert while drumming, which changed their blend since Dennis almost always sang BV's in the studio. He'd come out front in the early days for Surfer Girl, Hushabye, as he did in later days on Surfer Girl, In My room etc.. the blend ballads. The most obvious background part he sang WHILE drumming is on Its OK. If you can find footage of the band doing that song in '76/77 he's always singing his part on the tag while drumming. But more often in concert, if Dennis was going to sing, he came out front.
Just listened to the live cut of "Hushabye" from 64 and there's a noticeable break between the beginning of the song and when the drums come in...I'm thinking Dennis jumped down to do the intro and sing and then add the drums after it was over? Same thing for the outro. On a side note, man does Brian sound fantastic on the high part on that particular recording!

The 76 footage of "It's OK" from the titular special is one of the times I remembered him singing and drumming.

Here's one I have of him from I think 1975, looking great and singing at the kit
(http://i49.tinypic.com/21e11ls.jpg)

Does anyone have the pic AGD is talking about?? I'd love to have it in my collection.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Ed Roach on January 19, 2010, 06:33:25 PM
Wow, what a great shot!  And on his favorite drums, the clear kit!
Wonder what he's singing there?  Betcha' Mr. Boyd could figure it out!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 19, 2010, 09:44:04 PM
Here's a question: did Dennis routinely sing BVs at the drumset? I've seen footage and photos of him in the 70s with a wrap-around mic at the kit, but did he sing BVs/harmonies regularly. Would he ever sing lead and drum? Always curious...
Yes, but not a lot. Usually when he sang lead he came out front. But... around '65 to '68 he occasionally did some lead singing back there while on the drums. There were occasions where he drummed and sang Do You Wanna Dance live...and where he drummed and sang lead on the middle section of Surfer Girl. BV's... he tended to not sing them much in concert while drumming, which changed their blend since Dennis almost always sang BV's in the studio. He'd come out front in the early days for Surfer Girl, Hushabye, as he did in later days on Surfer Girl, In My room etc.. the blend ballads. The most obvious background part he sang WHILE drumming is on Its OK. If you can find footage of the band doing that song in '76/77 he's always singing his part on the tag while drumming. But more often in concert, if Dennis was going to sing, he came out front.
Just listened to the live cut of "Hushabye" from 64 and there's a noticeable break between the beginning of the song and when the drums come in...I'm thinking Dennis jumped down to do the intro and sing and then add the drums after it was over? Same thing for the outro. On a side note, man does Brian sound fantastic on the high part on that particular recording!

The 76 footage of "It's OK" from the titular special is one of the times I remembered him singing and drumming.

Here's one I have of him from I think 1975, looking great and singing at the kit
(http://i49.tinypic.com/21e11ls.jpg)

Does anyone have the pic AGD is talking about?? I'd love to have it in my collection.

The Badman book.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 19, 2010, 09:49:17 PM
Dennis sang on Hushabye?  ??? I thought it was Mike.


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 19, 2010, 09:52:53 PM
Dennis sang on Hushabye?  ??? I thought it was Mike.
They all sing on Hushabye...family blend.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 19, 2010, 09:55:59 PM
Oh, I thought he meant the "solo" bit.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Sound of Free on January 20, 2010, 05:58:06 AM
Here's a good look at Dennis singing the tag to It's OK while drumming. Go to the last two minutes of the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfDFee-GgU8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfDFee-GgU8)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: BillA on January 20, 2010, 08:23:33 AM
1. When the Beach Boys hired Ed Carter (1968), Bruce still played bass on the majority of songs  - see 'Live in London" where songs that had a heavy keyboard component in the studio (WIBN, SJB, California Girls) were done with Bruce on bass and no keyboard accompaniment.  If Bruce was going to be the primary bass player why didn't they bring on a keyboardist instead of a bassist?   

2. In 1978 Brian moved to bass (notorious Australian tour).  Was Ed Carter in the band at that time and if so what did he do?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 20, 2010, 09:14:04 AM
In 1978 Brian moved to bass (notorious Australian tour).  Was Ed Carter in the band at that time and if so what did he do?

Brian started playing some bass on BB's tours in late '76 and throughout '77, by Australia he'd been playing bass for a year and a half already, however he started dancing  :o ...and playing bass on more songs on that tour. Ed Carter would play guitar (or occasionally percussion)on the songs Brian played bass on(when he was there).


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on January 20, 2010, 10:50:14 AM
Random question: Did Keith Badman release a new copy of his book that didn't contain the session musician's SSN?

Will he do a 2nd volume for say: 1978-1998?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 20, 2010, 11:04:18 AM
Random question: Did Keith Badman release a new copy of his book that didn't contain the session musician's SSN?

Apparently so - not seen one myself but I have it from reliable sources that there are copies of his book out there with the SSNs whited out.

Will he do a 2nd volume for say: 1978-1998?

Highly unlikely... but never say no.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: TonyW on January 20, 2010, 11:52:56 AM
In 1978 Brian moved to bass (notorious Australian tour).  Was Ed Carter in the band at that time and if so what did he do?

Brian started playing some bass on BB's tours in late '76 and throughout '77, by Australia he'd been playing bass for a year and a half already, however he started dancing  :o ...and playing bass on more songs on that tour. Ed Carter would play guitar (or occasionally percussion)on the songs Brian played bass on(when he was there).

Actually having been at a couple of the Australian shows on THAT tour I recall that both Brian and Dennis would leave the stage and take "breaks" (as it was described in the media at the time) so in the case of Brian there must have been somebody else on stage covering the bass playing. I don't recall Brian doing any dancing on the tour, certainly not like the footage that is circulating of the Largo show.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: BillA on January 20, 2010, 01:10:46 PM
Witness Brian dancing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EPXBQV3yM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EPXBQV3yM)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 20, 2010, 03:06:10 PM
Brian danced like an amphetamine Yeti on that Aus. '78 tour.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 20, 2010, 03:26:10 PM
Witness Brian dancing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EPXBQV3yM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EPXBQV3yM)

Jeez... that I could have happily done without seeing. Ever.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on January 20, 2010, 03:31:03 PM
That's nowhere near as bad as Brian on, I believe, American Bandstand in 1988 singing Night Time standing alone with a microphone doing a frightening swagger of a dance.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 20, 2010, 03:49:01 PM
So I've had this Odeon Records Version of Smile for a while, and it contains all the standard stuff, however it also has a version of Can't Wait Too Long, the first thirty seconds of which I've never heard before. It starts with a really mournful acapella part featuring a female voice and then breaks into a version of the main part of the song with clapping. Does anybody know where exactly this is from?

I've been wondering when this is from, too. I don't think that's a female voice - more likely Brian. Just the same, is this just another Wild Honey version? A Smile version as the bootleg implies? Does a more complete take exist?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on January 20, 2010, 04:12:16 PM
The version of Can't Wait Too Long on that Odeon Smile CD has been circulating since 1983, a rough edit. It is not, I repeat, NOT a Smile recording. Tracking sessions were in November 1967 during Wild Honey sessions, sweetening and vocal overdubs in March-April 1968 during Friends. Then several overdubs in 1979 for possible inclusion on Keepin' The Summer Alive.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 21, 2010, 12:39:10 AM
The version of Can't Wait Too Long on that Odeon Smile CD has been circulating since 1983, a rough edit. It is not, I repeat, NOT a Smile recording. Tracking sessions were in November 1967 during Wild Honey sessions, sweetening and vocal overdubs in March-April 1968 during Friends. Then several overdubs in 1979 for possible inclusion on Keepin' The Summer Alive.

To further clarify, the edit wasn't contemporary, nor performed by anyone in the BB fold.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on January 21, 2010, 12:43:33 AM
Were there vocal or instrumental overdubs made for CWTL in 1979? Are they making the rounds?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 21, 2010, 01:20:18 AM
Were there vocal or instrumental overdubs made for CWTL in 1979? Are they making the rounds?

There was an instrumental overdub session February 11th, 1980 at Rumbo Recorders, featuring several "Crew" members. Not booted, as far as I know.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Nicko on January 21, 2010, 03:49:01 AM
That's nowhere near as bad as Brian on, I believe, American Bandstand in 1988 singing Night Time standing alone with a microphone doing a frightening swagger of a dance.

Yep, this is a shocker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGfwkkm-GQI

The crime repeated here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNACeq9hV7w

And this is really no better...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_MeEmJLGVA&feature=related

Some people have said that Brian's first solo album would have been more successful if it had had more publicity but sometimes less is more...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Chris Brown on January 21, 2010, 09:31:19 AM
Dear God, those were painful to watch.  Brian should never be without an instrument on stage, and most certainly should never try to dance.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on January 21, 2010, 10:19:00 AM
Is there a list anywhere of Beach Boys songs grouped into time signatures? For whatever reason I have it in my head that the BBs under Brian's direction did not utilise 4/4 much but I'm not good at music theory so I can't simply count this off for myself (and anyway, it'd be a lot of counting...) so if such a list existed that'd be quite helpful! Thanks in advance. :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on January 21, 2010, 11:02:06 AM
The band in general didn't use 4/4. Dennis was quite fond of 7/8.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TonyW on January 21, 2010, 11:52:49 AM
Dear God, those were painful to watch.  Brian should never be without an instrument on stage, and most certainly should never try to dance.

Not quite as painful as I expected, uncomfortable certainly but once Brian is behind a piano his is much more comfortable, that first performace just reinforces with me that Brian holds Mike Love in high status as a live frontman and mimics what Mike does, he just totally lacks the confidence and swagger of the Lovester so can't pull it off without looking so, so, so ... well, just so............ I recall when Brian first started touring back in 1999/2000 a lot of people were critical of his hand movements and yet when you go back and look at some of that early 60s footage many of those hand movements were the same as Mike Love used on stage.

Oh yeah, leather pants should be eternally banned!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on January 21, 2010, 12:33:19 PM
Oh yeah, leather pants should be eternally banned!

I would've loved to have seen the leathered Brian grab the mic and start shouting, "Five to one, baby, one in five, no one here gets out alive...."

Anyway, there are a couple of videos around of Carl Wilson during his solo excursion, sans guitar, specifically singing "What You Do To Me". He was no Mick Jagger, either.... :police:


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: adamghost on January 21, 2010, 12:33:41 PM
The band in general didn't use 4/4. Dennis was quite fond of 7/8.

Um...WHAT?!?

I assume this is a joke...if you look up "quarter note drumming" in wikipedia, there's a picture of Dennis Wilson there...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on January 21, 2010, 12:39:35 PM
The band in general didn't use 4/4. Dennis was quite fond of 7/8.

This is also asserted in the song entry for "You're So Good To Me" -- that an unadulterated 4/4 beat is peculiar for the BBs -- on the surfermoon.com song archive (http://surfermoon.com/tracks/files/y/youre_so_good_to_me.shtml). However, what I'd like to know is if there exists a list anywhere that groups BB/solo songs by time signature for ease of reference. For some more context about why I'm curious, if anyone cares: I was discussing how rare it is for Beach Boys songs to be in 4/4 time (because I had read that it was the case, not because I am any good at deciphering which songs are in 4/4 vs. 12/8 or 3/4 and so on). I played a couple songs for her and she claimed a majority of them were in 4/4. Obviously I am in no position to doubt her greatly because I know no music theory but I am wary since from what I understand this is simply not the case. Did I just pick ones that were (e.g. an assortment from Pet Sounds including "God Only Knows," "Hang On To Your Ego," and "Wouldn't It Be Nice," as well as "Surfer Girl," "Friends," "All Dressed Up For School," "In The Back Of My Mind," "California Saga: Big Sur," etc.), or is she rusty in her theory and couldn't grasp the true signatures?

I'm sorry if my question is insufferably base, by the way! I know it is at least very insignificant!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Chris Brown on January 21, 2010, 01:34:30 PM
There is no such archive for time signatures, as far as I know, but it does make for interesting discussion (at least to the music geeks on here).  Brian's songs in the early days used a lot of 6/8 ("Surfer Girl," "Warmth of the Sun," "Girls on the Beach," "In the Back of My Mind," to name a few), most likely a biproduct of growing up listening to doo-wop. 

That being said, Brian used a lot of "straight" 4/4 or 2/4 signatures too.  The thing is though, he used so many varying rhythms that the songs didn't all sound alike.  Something like "You're So Good To Me" isn't in a rare time signature for Brian, but it stands out because he had rarely used such a straight beat before that...he used that rhythm a few more times on the Summer Days album ("California Girls," "Let Him Run Wild"), and later on Pet Sounds ("God Only Knows").


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 22, 2010, 07:47:14 AM
Was all of BWPS released as instrumental versions?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Autotune on January 22, 2010, 08:11:12 AM
Don't take time signature for rhythmic pattern. "You're so good..." is in 4/4 just like "Surfin USA", "Kokomo", "She Knows Me too Well", "ding Dang" and about 85 - 90% of the BBs catalogue.

BTW, "Surfer Girl" is a 12/8, not 6/8.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on January 22, 2010, 08:12:27 AM
Were there vocal or instrumental overdubs made for CWTL in 1979? Are they making the rounds?

There was an instrumental overdub session February 11th, 1980 at Rumbo Recorders, featuring several "Crew" members. Not booted, as far as I know.
Thanks, Andrew. Wonder what the overdubs were. The original track isn't over produced, but not sparse either.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Chris Brown on January 22, 2010, 08:49:02 AM
BTW, "Surfer Girl" is a 12/8, not 6/8.


Really?  I'm not big on theory, so I don't quite understand the difference. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Stegibo on February 10, 2010, 01:25:58 PM
Do outtakes from the "Summer In Paradise" sessions exist or did they only record the songs that are on the album?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 10, 2010, 01:33:38 PM
Do outtakes from the "Summer In Paradise" sessions exist or did they only record the songs that are on the album?

If they do, I seriously don't wanna hear them. Considering what's on the album, can you imagine how bad the stuff they left off was ?  :o


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: adamghost on February 10, 2010, 01:39:31 PM
I dunno, in '76-'77 the Boys were tending to leave their best material unreleased...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 10, 2010, 01:47:00 PM
I dunno, in '76-'77 the Boys were tending to leave their best material unreleased...

Fair point, but when you stack up SIP against Love You, and even 15 BO... well ! ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Nicko on February 10, 2010, 07:25:25 PM
Only One Earth had been written by that point so may have been attempted. I think Bruce has said though that Terry Melcher hated SIP because they had to rush the production to get it out, so I doubt they had time to try much they didn't use.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: BJL on February 10, 2010, 07:42:09 PM
Only One Earth had been written by that point so may have been attempted. I think Bruce has said though that Terry Melcher hated SIP because they had to rush the production to get it out, so I doubt they had time to try much they didn't use.

Get it out for WHAT!?!!??  kokomo had been, what, four years ago?  its not like they had some fleeting moment to capitalize on (as one could at least argue with 15 big ones)!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on February 14, 2010, 10:56:01 PM
Edit: Nevermind :(


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Nicko on February 15, 2010, 12:31:54 AM

Get it out for WHAT!?!!??  kokomo had been, what, four years ago?  its not like they had some fleeting moment to capitalize on (as one could at least argue with 15 big ones)!

The record deal that they'd been offered.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 15, 2010, 11:01:30 AM

Get it out for WHAT!?!!??  kokomo had been, what, four years ago?  its not like they had some fleeting moment to capitalize on (as one could at least argue with 15 big ones)!

The record deal that they'd been offered.

What 'deal they were offered' ?  SIP was released on Brother Entertainment. Like, their own custom label ?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on February 15, 2010, 11:28:44 PM
Do outtakes from the "Summer In Paradise" sessions exist or did they only record the songs that are on the album?

If they do, I seriously don't wanna hear them. Considering what's on the album, can you imagine how bad the stuff they left off was ?  :o
But what about the songs that were recorded? Since it was all done on computers, are there any "session tapes"? Is there even a "master tape"? Or was it all saved on some kind of hard drive?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Nicko on February 16, 2010, 11:52:22 AM

What 'deal they were offered' ?  SIP was released on Brother Entertainment. Like, their own custom label ?

According to Bruce, they were offered a stack of cash to get it out quickly.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 16, 2010, 02:30:24 PM

What 'deal they were offered' ?  SIP was released on Brother Entertainment. Like, their own custom label ?

According to Bruce, they were offered a stack of cash to get it out quickly.

By whom ? The label, which is to say, themselves ?  The only other people who might make such an offer were the distributors, Navarre.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Stegibo on February 16, 2010, 02:36:48 PM
Do outtakes from the "Summer In Paradise" sessions exist or did they only record the songs that are on the album?

If they do, I seriously don't wanna hear them. Considering what's on the album, can you imagine how bad the stuff they left off was ?  :o
But what about the songs that were recorded? Since it was all done on computers, are there any "session tapes"? Is there even a "master tape"? Or was it all saved on some kind of hard drive?
I wonder why there are so many session recordings from the '60s and '70s out there and just so few from the '80s and '90s?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Nicko on February 17, 2010, 12:09:36 AM

What 'deal they were offered' ?  SIP was released on Brother Entertainment. Like, their own custom label ?

According to Bruce, they were offered a stack of cash to get it out quickly.

By whom ? The label, which is to say, themselves ?  The only other people who might make such an offer were the distributors, Navarre.


Yep. you are probably right that Bruce has said it was Navarre who forced them to get it out at speed.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on February 17, 2010, 09:54:12 AM
Do outtakes from the "Summer In Paradise" sessions exist or did they only record the songs that are on the album?

If they do, I seriously don't wanna hear them. Considering what's on the album, can you imagine how bad the stuff they left off was ?  :o
But what about the songs that were recorded? Since it was all done on computers, are there any "session tapes"? Is there even a "master tape"? Or was it all saved on some kind of hard drive?
I wonder why there are so many session recordings from the '60s and '70s out there and just so few from the '80s and '90s?

Probs because they all knew you can't polish a turd no matter how long you spend on it!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on February 17, 2010, 11:31:23 AM
Yep. you are probably right that Bruce has said it was Navarre who forced them to get it out at speed.

And how ironic that Navarre went under within a year of Summer In Paradise's release. The album technically was out of print as soon as it was released!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: buddhahat on February 23, 2010, 03:42:15 AM
Has that song "Hawaiian Song" surfaced yet? I think it's from the Smiley sessions? Possibly an early version of Little Pad. Sorry, I know this has been discussed before but couldn't remember if anyone had heard it or not.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 23, 2010, 07:03:47 AM
80s-90s sessions surfaced as in official or unofficial release? prolly because there's one major thing missing in those sessions: BRIAN, for the most part; let alone creativity


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ivrimark on February 23, 2010, 10:51:25 AM
New subject, and fairly insignificant so I'll put it here.
Having read a post here and there about "mistaken" Beach Boys songs (i.e. Here Come De Honey Man, Ant Bee's "Worms" cover), I'm curious if there are other BB rarities that are not the Beach Boys at all.  Specifically, wasn't there a "Holidays" track from an early Smile vinyl boot that fits this category (or is that the "Honey Man" track?)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on February 23, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
The first Smile cd I bought had "Laughing Gravy"s version of "Vegetables" on it. Took me about all of 8 seconds to realise it was a cover and not a session out take.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 23, 2010, 11:34:52 AM
Has that song "Hawaiian Song" surfaced yet? I think it's from the Smiley sessions? Possibly an early version of Little Pad. Sorry, I know this has been discussed before but couldn't remember if anyone had heard it or not.

Good call - part of "Hawaiian Song" transmuted into "Little Pad".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 23, 2010, 11:36:15 AM
New subject, and fairly insignificant so I'll put it here.
Having read a post here and there about "mistaken" Beach Boys songs (i.e. Here Come De Honey Man, Ant Bee's "Worms" cover), I'm curious if there are other BB rarities that are not the Beach Boys at all.  Specifically, wasn't there a "Holidays" track from an early Smile vinyl boot that fits this category (or is that the "Honey Man" track?)

That's "Honey Man".  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on February 23, 2010, 12:04:59 PM
New subject, and fairly insignificant so I'll put it here.
Having read a post here and there about "mistaken" Beach Boys songs (i.e. Here Come De Honey Man, Ant Bee's "Worms" cover), I'm curious if there are other BB rarities that are not the Beach Boys at all.  Specifically, wasn't there a "Holidays" track from an early Smile vinyl boot that fits this category (or is that the "Honey Man" track?)

The Holiday track you refer to is a Miles Davis' tune called Holiday that was on one of the first Smile boots as a practical joke, I used LLVS as a source.

BTW, another mistaken as a BB song: Balboa Nights, just an instrumental track I found recently, prolly discovered a long time ago.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 23, 2010, 01:01:36 PM
New subject, and fairly insignificant so I'll put it here.
Having read a post here and there about "mistaken" Beach Boys songs (i.e. Here Come De Honey Man, Ant Bee's "Worms" cover), I'm curious if there are other BB rarities that are not the Beach Boys at all.  Specifically, wasn't there a "Holidays" track from an early Smile vinyl boot that fits this category (or is that the "Honey Man" track?)

The Holiday track you refer to is a Miles Davis' tune called Holiday that was on one of the first Smile boots as a practical joke, I used LLVS as a source.

BTW, another mistaken as a BB song: Balboa Nights, just an instrumental track I found recently, prolly discovered a long time ago.

Good call - on a whole bunch of compilations of Hite Morgan BB tracks, there are songs not by them.

Marketts -
Balboa Blue
Wipe Out
Surfer's Stomp

Frogmen -
Tioga
Beware Below
Underwater

Tornadoes -
Phantom Surfer
Bustin' Surfboards

Surfin' Six -
Little Deuce Coupe
409


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on February 25, 2010, 08:26:52 PM
Ok, here's another question: Exactly when did the lyrics to "Rhonda" change from "She was gonna be my wife...", to "She was gonna be my women", in the live performances of the song? It's a trivial thing, but I've always wondered who changed the lyric, when it was changed, and why it was changed. While I'm at it, who changed it back to "wife"?  ;D


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Post by: MBE on February 25, 2010, 08:59:05 PM
Ok, here's another question: Exactly when did the lyrics to "Rhonda" change from "She was gonna be my wife...", to "She was gonna be my women", in the live performances of the song? It's a trivial thing, but I've always wondered who changed the lyric, when it was changed, and why it was changed. While I'm at it, who changed it back to "wife"?  ;D
I think it was mostly sung with the woman lyric in the 70's. They played it real funky from 1971-80 so I think that's when they adapted the lyrics slightly.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on February 25, 2010, 09:46:04 PM
Ok, here's another question: Exactly when did the lyrics to "Rhonda" change from "She was gonna be my wife...", to "She was gonna be my women", in the live performances of the song? It's a trivial thing, but I've always wondered who changed the lyric, when it was changed, and why it was changed. While I'm at it, who changed it back to "wife"?  ;D
I think it was mostly sung with the woman lyric in the 70's. They played it real funky from 1971-80 so I think that's when they adapted the lyrics slightly.
I figured that they changed it around 1970. They played it real "bluesy" for a while.


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Post by: runnersdialzero on February 26, 2010, 03:15:28 AM
The hillbilly rock arrangement for "Rhonda" on In Concert is absolute balls. Can't stand it.


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Post by: phirnis on February 26, 2010, 03:57:20 AM
The hillbilly rock arrangement for "Rhonda" on In Concert is absolute balls. Can't stand it.

Me too. I think it sounds dull and utterly lifeless. Never heard an early-70s rendition with Dennis on lead vocals, however. Could've been a nice opportunity for him to have at least one lead vocal on In Concert.


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Post by: Jay on February 26, 2010, 09:05:51 PM
I love that version.  :lol The version at Carnegie Hall from 1971(?) with Dennis singing should have been on the official In Concert album.


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Post by: The infamous Baldwin Organ on February 27, 2010, 08:19:14 AM
The Dennis version is AWESOME. I hope it gets an official release some day.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on February 27, 2010, 08:28:07 AM
I've heard Brian pinched the main melody for You Still Believe In Me from a piece of classical music... True or false?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 27, 2010, 11:05:16 AM
First I've heard of that - which classical piece ?


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Post by: buddhahat on March 01, 2010, 04:41:42 AM
Has that song "Hawaiian Song" surfaced yet? I think it's from the Smiley sessions? Possibly an early version of Little Pad. Sorry, I know this has been discussed before but couldn't remember if anyone had heard it or not.

Good call - part of "Hawaiian Song" transmuted into "Little Pad".

Andrew, have you or anyone heard this song - is it in the vaults?


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Post by: hypehat on March 01, 2010, 05:18:16 AM
First I've heard of that - which classical piece ?

Wish i knew - it didn't specify. Just wondering if anyone else had heard of such a thing, but i guess it's not true. The riff's relative simplicity (it's just going down the scale, in my simple musical terms) means it probably IS similar to something, somewhere, but that doesn't mean Brian nicked it of course.

EDIT- two more questions for you smarty types

1. What exactly is a 'tack piano'? I know what it sounds like, but i want to know what makes a tack piano.... 'tack'?  ???
2. Why on the GV boxset is the 'false barnyard' ending repeated twice?


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Post by: Wrightfan on March 01, 2010, 09:58:46 AM
First I've heard of that - which classical piece ?

Wish i knew - it didn't specify. Just wondering if anyone else had heard of such a thing, but i guess it's not true. The riff's relative simplicity (it's just going down the scale, in my simple musical terms) means it probably IS similar to something, somewhere, but that doesn't mean Brian nicked it of course.

EDIT- two more questions for you smarty types

1. What exactly is a 'tack piano'? I know what it sounds like, but i want to know what makes a tack piano.... 'tack'?  ???
2. Why on the GV boxset is the 'false barnyard' ending repeated twice?

I think I can answer #2. They're two different versions (I think one is just a single vocal, the other has the whole group.)

As to why, isn't that where the "Heroes and Villains, just see what you've done done" section what supposed to be on "part 2" of Brian's planned single? Maybe they figured since it already was on the set on the released 45, they didn't want to repeat it.


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Post by: SloopJohnB on March 01, 2010, 10:14:25 AM

1. What exactly is a 'tack piano'? I know what it sounds like, but i want to know what makes a tack piano.... 'tack'?  ???


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tack_piano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tack_piano)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 01, 2010, 11:28:00 AM
Has that song "Hawaiian Song" surfaced yet? I think it's from the Smiley sessions? Possibly an early version of Little Pad. Sorry, I know this has been discussed before but couldn't remember if anyone had heard it or not.

Good call - part of "Hawaiian Song" transmuted into "Little Pad".

Andrew, have you or anyone heard this song - is it in the vaults?

The tape is indeed in the BRI storage facility.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: buddhahat on March 01, 2010, 12:22:52 PM
Has that song "Hawaiian Song" surfaced yet? I think it's from the Smiley sessions? Possibly an early version of Little Pad. Sorry, I know this has been discussed before but couldn't remember if anyone had heard it or not.

Good call - part of "Hawaiian Song" transmuted into "Little Pad".

Andrew, have you or anyone heard this song - is it in the vaults?

The tape is indeed in the BRI storage facility.

Have you heard it though, or has anyone described it to you?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 01, 2010, 01:29:22 PM
Has that song "Hawaiian Song" surfaced yet? I think it's from the Smiley sessions? Possibly an early version of Little Pad. Sorry, I know this has been discussed before but couldn't remember if anyone had heard it or not.

Good call - part of "Hawaiian Song" transmuted into "Little Pad".

Andrew, have you or anyone heard this song - is it in the vaults?

The tape is indeed in the BRI storage facility.

Have you heard it though, or has anyone described it to you?

Well... someone would have to have heard it, to know that a part of it turned into "Little Pad", wouldn't they ?  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 01, 2010, 01:35:13 PM
In your book Andrew you speculate that "Diamond Head" was based perhaps on unused Smile material. Could segments of "Hawaiian Song" have spawned both "Little Pad" and "Diamond Head" or are they from completely different works?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 01, 2010, 02:46:52 PM
In your book Andrew you speculate that "Diamond Head" was based perhaps on unused Smile material. Could segments of "Hawaiian Song" have spawned both "Little Pad" and "Diamond Head" or are they from completely different works?

"Hawaiian Song" isn't from the Smile sessions, though.


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Post by: hypehat on March 01, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
Nice dodge  ;D


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Post by: Jay on March 01, 2010, 08:01:02 PM
Um...is it just me, or did half of this thread disappear?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 03, 2010, 05:31:58 PM
Why, under the 'Stephen Desper' thread do posters call him 'Mr Desper'? ??? Is this kissing-up or has Stephen demanded it? :-\

If posting on the Brit site would they call Bruce Johnston 'Mr Johnston?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: GLarson432 on March 04, 2010, 12:15:34 AM
I was at the bar in the hotel of Susan Lang's BB convention in 2003 with Stephen Desper.  He was a great guy.  He asked me what it was that 'brought me in' to the BB's in the first place.  I told him the three songs I've posted about elsewhere recently. 

He was/is (I guess) a down-to-earth guy and no "Mr. Desper" was required.  He was just a guy at a bar having a drink.  I was lucky enough to be next to him.


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Post by: Pretty Funky on March 04, 2010, 12:45:10 AM
Thanks for the reply Mr Larson.  ;)


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Post by: punkinhead on March 04, 2010, 05:05:32 AM
Why, under the 'Stephen Desper' thread do posters call him 'Mr Desper'? ??? Is this kissing-up or has Stephen demanded it? :-\

If posting on the Brit site would they call Bruce Johnston 'Mr Johnston?

maybe respect?  ;)


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Post by: punkinhead on March 10, 2010, 06:43:33 PM
Is All I Wanna Do considered partially a TM song?   

Maybe a love/TM inspired song?

Never thought it was until I saw it on the Endless Harmony doc. when discussing Mike's TM endorsement.


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Post by: OneEar/OneEye on March 13, 2010, 08:17:22 AM
I had been reading an article on backmasking and wondered if there were ever any instances of backmasking in Beach Boys music? 


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Post by: slothrop on March 13, 2010, 01:08:15 PM
Is All I Wanna Do considered partially a TM song?   

Maybe a love/TM inspired song?

Never thought it was until I saw it on the Endless Harmony doc. when discussing Mike's TM endorsement.

I've wondered this myself. In that doc they even show footage of Mike meditating/walking in the forest with "All I Wanna Do" playing. Maybe it's just because it was a very peaceful cut.

But I'm inclined to think it is slightly TM inspired. Especially the "oooh when I sit and close my eyes/a gentle thought comes in my mind/my love is burning brightly/the (?) moon and stars shine nightly".

I've also been kind of confused as to what "kind" of love song this is. Romantic, platonic? Some of it sounds like something a parent could say to a child ("help you in whatever you do") and some of it sounds romantic (Carl's wonderful "lonely in the night I feel"). Either way it's sorely underappreciated. Could've been a classic love song everyone knows in my opinion. Classic Brian and Mike song--it's like the psychedelic version of "Please Let Me Wonder," in sound and gentle sentiment.


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Post by: Pretty Funky on March 14, 2010, 02:28:40 PM
Does this kid have a future in comedy or just seen the EH doco?

...Once I caught Timmy’s reflection in the van’s rear-view mirror. There he was, buckled into his booster seat, holding his nose as he sang along with “409.” When I asked him why he was holding his nose, he explained that it was so he sounded more like the Beach Boys guy.... ;D


http://www.patriotledger.com/lifestyle/x1664756389/JUST-A-MINUTE-Help-me-get-em-outa-my-head


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Post by: punkinhead on March 14, 2010, 08:41:36 PM
Is All I Wanna Do considered partially a TM song?   

Maybe a love/TM inspired song?

Never thought it was until I saw it on the Endless Harmony doc. when discussing Mike's TM endorsement.

I've wondered this myself. In that doc they even show footage of Mike meditating/walking in the forest with "All I Wanna Do" playing. Maybe it's just because it was a very peaceful cut.

But I'm inclined to think it is slightly TM inspired. Especially the "oooh when I sit and close my eyes/a gentle thought comes in my mind/my love is burning brightly/the (?) moon and stars shine nightly".

I've also been kind of confused as to what "kind" of love song this is. Romantic, platonic? Some of it sounds like something a parent could say to a child ("help you in whatever you do") and some of it sounds romantic (Carl's wonderful "lonely in the night I feel"). Either way it's sorely underappreciated. Could've been a classic love song everyone knows in my opinion. Classic Brian and Mike song--it's like the psychedelic version of "Please Let Me Wonder," in sound and gentle sentiment.

I completely agree


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on March 17, 2010, 08:48:44 PM
OK, here's a question. Did Brian or Van Dyke Parks actually do "research" when writing the lyrics for SMiLE songs? You know, the whole Americana and history of the time period, etc. Here's a question I haven't seen asked anywhere: Did the story told in the song Heroes and Villains actually happen? You know, the lyrics about the shoot out. "She was right in the rain(reign?) of the bullets that eventually brought her down".  


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Post by: punkinhead on March 17, 2010, 08:56:31 PM
I think rain is correct, with the evidence of the Smile illustrations showing the 'rain of bullets'


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Post by: punkinhead on March 17, 2010, 09:05:13 PM
Anyone feel the Summer Days album is missing a ballad? I know the how ordeal over Capitol getting made about the 2nd side to Today! but really, I feel like Sandy (she needs me) was the only potential slow type song....Let Him Run Wild is a great Bacharach tribute, complaining about another lover, I must say  ;D


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Post by: punkinhead on March 18, 2010, 01:25:43 PM
What was the plan to release the song: Brian's Back? Was it going to be on 15 Big Ones? I honestly don't think it makes sense to put it on any other album....as Mike wants it to be on Unleash the Love/Mike Love Not War


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 18, 2010, 01:40:14 PM
What was the plan to release the song: Brian's Back? Was it going to be on 15 Big Ones? I honestly don't think it makes sense to put it on any other album....as Mike wants it to be on Unleash the Love/Mike Love Not War

"Brian's Back" was first attempted during the Florida L. A. sessions (by the band), then again during the First Love sessions later in 1978.


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Post by: punkinhead on March 18, 2010, 01:45:36 PM
really? so just the phrase Brian's Back was the only campaign thing goin on in 1976, no song or anything? I have been mistaken for so long.    ::)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 19, 2010, 10:09:19 PM
I had been reading an article on backmasking and wondered if there were ever any instances of backmasking in Beach Boys music?  



If you play GIOMH backwards, you hear Brian softly say "I'm really fuckin' sorry" over and over...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 19, 2010, 10:11:30 PM
really? so just the phrase Brian's Back was the only campaign thing goin on in 1976, no song or anything? I have been mistaken for so long.    ::)

Yet ANOTHER BB myth busted.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on March 20, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
I had been reading an article on backmasking and wondered if there were ever any instances of backmasking in Beach Boys music?  



If you play GIOMH backwards, you hear Brian softly say "I'm really fuckin' sorry" over and over...

 :laugh:


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on March 22, 2010, 01:20:25 PM
really? so just the phrase Brian's Back was the only campaign thing goin on in 1976, no song or anything? I have been mistaken for so long.    ::)

Yet ANOTHER BB myth busted.

Was anyone else mistaken for this as well?


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 22, 2010, 02:23:31 PM
Yeah...I was for YEARS.


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Post by: Jay on March 22, 2010, 07:52:17 PM
I have another random question that has always bugged me. What's up with the heavy echo effects on the version of Good Vibrations from their Ed Sullivan show appearence? Is there any recording of the song from that show without those effects? It has always bugged the hell out of me.  :lol


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Post by: punkinhead on March 23, 2010, 10:41:33 AM
I wanna say a rehearsal of that is on the Endless Harmony soundtrack, but I could be way off.


and BTW, I have a separate, what's with the BB tune: Over the Waves/Carnival? 
What were their intentions on this recording?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on March 25, 2010, 07:18:45 PM
I have a couple questions for a piece I am writing:

Where did Brian typically do mastering of albums?

I am looking for any info I can find on "Brother Julius", who supposedly was the janitor at Western Studios, and lived in a nearby bungalow.  Thus far I've had no success, any suggestions?



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 25, 2010, 10:52:18 PM
I have a couple questions for a piece I am writing:

Where did Brian typically do mastering of albums?

I am looking for any info I can find on "Brother Julius", who supposedly was the janitor at Western Studios, and lived in a nearby bungalow.  Thus far I've had no success, any suggestions?

Gold Star, not Western - Spector named a B side after him. This is the best I could find at 5.55am (Hal Blaine):

"I’ve always maintained that one guy doesn’t make a record. Phil Spector alone never made a great record. He made great records with all these people. Brother Julius, the little black man who used to clean up, he was part of that recording scene. Brother Julius must have been sixty-five or seventy years old, he’d sweep up the studio at Gold Star. Brother J. We’d give him money all the time. He used to come in and make suggestions like, “Hey, Mr. Spector, you sure is doing it!” “Hey, Hal, git those drums bigger!”

And of course, Brian also got him to do the fire in a bucket for the "Fire" session.

As for mastering the albums, 1962-69, at Capitol. Thereafter, I know Steve Desper favored Artisan Sounds.


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Post by: Mr. Cohen on March 26, 2010, 01:00:35 AM
OK, what's up with this story from Gary Usher on the making of "In My Room"? Brian, who I'm guessing was 19-20 at the time and had already released a couple of top 10 records, still lived at his dad's AND had a midnight curfew? What's going on with that?


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Post by: OneEar/OneEye on March 26, 2010, 10:07:22 AM

Gold Star, not Western - Spector named a B side after him. This is the best I could find at 5.55am (Hal Blaine):

"I’ve always maintained that one guy doesn’t make a record. Phil Spector alone never made a great record. He made great records with all these people. Brother Julius, the little black man who used to clean up, he was part of that recording scene. Brother Julius must have been sixty-five or seventy years old, he’d sweep up the studio at Gold Star. Brother J. We’d give him money all the time. He used to come in and make suggestions like, “Hey, Mr. Spector, you sure is doing it!” “Hey, Hal, git those drums bigger!”

And of course, Brian also got him to do the fire in a bucket for the "Fire" session.

As for mastering the albums, 1962-69, at Capitol. Thereafter, I know Steve Desper favored Artisan Sounds.

Thanks AGD.  Where did you find the quote about Brother J. and Spector?  Very interesting. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 26, 2010, 12:03:39 PM

Gold Star, not Western - Spector named a B side after him. This is the best I could find at 5.55am (Hal Blaine):

"I’ve always maintained that one guy doesn’t make a record. Phil Spector alone never made a great record. He made great records with all these people. Brother Julius, the little black man who used to clean up, he was part of that recording scene. Brother Julius must have been sixty-five or seventy years old, he’d sweep up the studio at Gold Star. Brother J. We’d give him money all the time. He used to come in and make suggestions like, “Hey, Mr. Spector, you sure is doing it!” “Hey, Hal, git those drums bigger!”

And of course, Brian also got him to do the fire in a bucket for the "Fire" session.

As for mastering the albums, 1962-69, at Capitol. Thereafter, I know Steve Desper favored Artisan Sounds.

Thanks AGD.  Where did you find the quote about Brother J. and Spector?  Very interesting.  

Google is a wonderful invention.  ;D

Here - http://www.reasontorock.com/artists/phil_spector.html (http://www.reasontorock.com/artists/phil_spector.html).

Also:

(http://rauschj.tripod.com/brojulius.jpg)

He also apparently sold Jack Nitzsche's car after a session lasted two days !


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Post by: OneEar/OneEye on March 26, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
Google is a wonderful invention.  ;D

Here - http://www.reasontorock.com/artists/phil_spector.html (http://www.reasontorock.com/artists/phil_spector.html).

Also:

(http://rauschj.tripod.com/brojulius.jpg)

I got it now that I know it was Goldstar, had thought it was Western, which didn't turn up anything with that search.   Thanks again, it's pretty cool cos I even found a picture of Brother Julius!  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on March 28, 2010, 03:42:50 PM
What's up with Brian's management taking down all of his solo songs that are posted on YouTube except for BWPS? Any BW88, Imagination, What I Really Want For Christmas, or Gettin' In Over My Head songs are immediately removed for copyright violations, but you can always find BWPS on there. You can find some TLOS songs, too. Is BW's management trying to make us forget about most of his solo career? Or is it bitterness over those albums not selling enough? What is it?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on March 29, 2010, 06:57:19 PM
1) When a recording session was finished for the day (but more recording was to be done later), what would happen with the tapes?  Would they stay at the recording studio, go to Capitol and taken out again at the time of the next session, or would the artist hang on to them (e.g. take them home)?

2) was there ever any record keeping done for acetates that were made (i.e. who made acetates of what, and where, when and for whom)?

3)  what was the bands (mostly Al and Mike?) problem exactly with Hang On To Your Ego?  The only thing changed was the chorus [edit: and one verse line], why?  was it just they didn't like the sentiment?  Was it too negative?   What exactly does the chorus mean?  Listening to this song again it seemed to me that it could have been a song about Brian's relationship with the other Beach Boys (Murray too), and that maybe they knew this and didn't like it, but then why not change all the words?  Whose ego is it anyway?  Is Brian talking to someone else (whether it's the Beach Boys or somebody other) or to himself when he's saying "hang on to your ego"?

I have a lot more questions, but I'll leave at this for now.  :-D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on March 29, 2010, 07:10:45 PM
Huh? Hang On To Your Ego has completely different lyrics than I Know There's An Answer.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on March 29, 2010, 08:19:03 PM
Huh? Hang On To Your Ego has completely different lyrics than I Know There's An Answer.

Not all that different in the verses.  The "how can i come on when I know I'm guilty" was changed to "How can I come on and tell them the way that live could be better" but the rest is the same (verse wise).


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Post by: slothrop on March 29, 2010, 10:08:25 PM
I thought it was about the ego-death often reported during intense psychedelic experiences...they didn't like the drug reference. I think.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on March 29, 2010, 10:22:43 PM
Huh? Hang On To Your Ego has completely different lyrics than I Know There's An Answer.

Not all that different in the verses.  The "how can i come on when I know I'm guilty" was changed to "How can I come on and tell them the way that live could be better" but the rest is the same (verse wise).
Listening to it again, it seems as though the words weren't so different between the two as I had thought. My apologies.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on March 29, 2010, 10:24:19 PM
I thought it was about the ego-death often reported during intense psychedelic experiences...they didn't like the drug reference. I think.
Oddly enough, "they trip through their days" was kept in both versions.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 29, 2010, 11:21:20 PM
1) When a recording session was finished for the day (but more recording was to be done later), what would happen with the tapes?  Would they stay at the recording studio, go to Capitol and taken out again at the time of the next session, or would the artist hang on to them (e.g. take them home)?

2) was there ever any record keeping done for acetates that were made (i.e. who made acetates of what, and where, when and for whom)?

3)  what was the bands (mostly Al and Mike?) problem exactly with Hang On To Your Ego?  The only thing changed was the chorus [edit: and one verse line], why?  was it just they didn't like the sentiment?  Was it too negative?   What exactly does the chorus mean?  Listening to this song again it seemed to me that it could have been a song about Brian's relationship with the other Beach Boys (Murray too), and that maybe they knew this and didn't like it, but then why not change all the words?  Whose ego is it anyway?  Is Brian talking to someone else (whether it's the Beach Boys or somebody other) or to himself when he's saying "hang on to your ego"?

I have a lot more questions, but I'll leave at this for now.  :-D

1 - Stay in the studio. unless they were going to be used a different studio next session (i.e. Columbia for vocals)

2 - Apparently not.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: filledeplage on March 30, 2010, 05:28:50 AM
I thought it was about the ego-death often reported during intense psychedelic experiences...they didn't like the drug reference. I think.

It may sound naive but I did not interpret the "trip through the day" thing as any more than "stumbling/staggering through" in the sense of "maladroit" (falling over ones' feet) in the sense of a lack of "confidence" in the journey of "growth to adulthood"  rather than drug-induced and many questioned whethere there was "double entendre" that was intentional.  And, many of the record companies insisted on lyric changes for "public perception" or for direct censorship for radio airplay legalities to conform with the then existing "decency codes." 

 :-D   


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wrightfan on April 05, 2010, 07:46:24 PM
What are the background vocals in the Long Promised Road chorus? All I can get is:
Hit hit hard hard
???
knock knock down down
???
Throw throw off all the shackles that are binding me down down down down


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on April 05, 2010, 10:00:24 PM
What are the background vocals in the Long Promised Road chorus? All I can get is:
Hit hit hard hard
???
knock knock down down
???
Throw throw off all the shackles that are binding me down down down down
I heard "all the road blocks" and "yeah yeah yeah".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 06, 2010, 12:25:31 AM
What are the background vocals in the Long Promised Road chorus? All I can get is:
Hit hit hard hard
???
knock knock down down
???
Throw throw off all the shackles that are binding me down down down down

Hit hit hard hard at the battles and I...

Knock knock down down all the roadblocks...

Throw throw off all the shackles that are binding me down down down down


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wrightfan on April 06, 2010, 09:53:18 AM
What are the background vocals in the Long Promised Road chorus? All I can get is:
Hit hit hard hard
???
knock knock down down
???
Throw throw off all the shackles that are binding me down down down down

Hit hit hard hard at the battles and I...

Knock knock down down all the roadblocks...

Throw throw off all the shackles that are binding me down down down down

Thanks Mr. Doe.  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on April 06, 2010, 01:18:49 PM
I remember reading somewhere, although I cannot for the life of me remember where, that Dennis said in an interview in the mid-70's that they had been 'working on wordless vocals that sound like the Vienna Boys Choir' or something similar. My question is this: Were there ever any attempts to record any of these wordless vocals and who was behind the idea seeing as though it more than likely wouldn't have been Brian.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 06, 2010, 01:50:49 PM
I remember reading somewhere, although I cannot for the life of me remember where, that Dennis said in an interview in the mid-70's that they had been 'working on wordless vocals that sound like the Vienna Boys Choir' or something similar. My question is this: Were there ever any attempts to record any of these wordless vocals and who was behind the idea seeing as though it more than likely wouldn't have been Brian.

That was during the build-up to 15 Big Ones, if not slightly before, late 1975 or so.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on April 06, 2010, 01:59:07 PM
Ah, so I guess nothing came of this due to the seeming lack of interest from the group regarding doing anything good. I guess the closest we have to what Denny describes is Our Prayer and now I think about it I dont see how the Boys mid 70's vocals would have been capable of beatiful a capella moments ala Prayer


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: slothrop on April 06, 2010, 02:20:53 PM
It's actually from an article in Sounds, August 13, 1977. "I Wanna Be Where the Boys Are" by Vivien Goldman. Dennis calls "15 Big Ones" bullmerda basically and says they've been working on wordless stuff. So I always thought that must've been in sessions leading up to "Love You".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 06, 2010, 02:54:39 PM
From Crawdaddy, not exactly sure when but definitely pre-15 BO:

"It's very possible one will be an all-oldies album. We've wanted to do that for a long time and Brian's into it. The other two could take the form of a double album of all new material that stretches from hard rock & roll to these wordless vocals that we've been doing that sound like the Vienna Boys Choir"

Said 'wordless vocal' could be the "mow-mama-yama" chant, of course.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: slothrop on April 06, 2010, 03:13:54 PM
Somehow I've mixed articles up...however, even though the quote is very familiar to me I don't recall having ever read that Crawdaddy article. Strange.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 06, 2010, 03:19:52 PM
Somehow I've mixed articles up...however, even though the quote is very familiar to me I don't recall having ever read that Crawdaddy article. Strange.

Quoted in Peter Ames Carlin's excellent biog of Brian.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on April 06, 2010, 08:54:42 PM
I wanna say a rehearsal of that is on the Endless Harmony soundtrack, but I could be way off.


and BTW, I have a separate, what's with the BB tune: Over the Waves/Carnival? 
What were their intentions on this recording?


So no one knows?  ???


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on April 08, 2010, 12:36:47 PM
Ah, so I guess nothing came of this due to the seeming lack of interest from the group regarding doing anything good. I guess the closest we have to what Denny describes is Our Prayer and now I think about it I dont see how the Boys mid 70's vocals would have been capable of beatiful a capella moments ala Prayer

HaHa! That line just cracked me up!!!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Steve Mayo on April 09, 2010, 07:42:22 AM
From Crawdaddy, not exactly sure when but definitely pre-15 BO:

"It's very possible one will be an all-oldies album. We've wanted to do that for a long time and Brian's into it. The other two could take the form of a double album of all new material that stretches from hard rock & roll to these wordless vocals that we've been doing that sound like the Vienna Boys Choir"

Said 'wordless vocal' could be the "mow-mama-yama" chant, of course.

june 1976 part 1 of tim white's 2 part crawdaddy story. quote on page 37.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on April 23, 2010, 08:02:09 PM
I have two questions that don't really seem to deserve their own topic:

1. What, exactly, was Dennis's tattoo of? When did he get it? Why did he get it?

2. When The Beach Boys did "Lady Lynda" in 1993 as "Little Lady", they took out all references to "lynda", right? I've never heard it before, but I've read that it was played after Al's divorce.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on April 23, 2010, 08:12:59 PM
So when Brian was preparing for the GIOMH album, did he have to sit through the Sweet Instanity/Paley tapes? Did he say "gee's, what was I thinking" when he heard it?



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on April 23, 2010, 08:37:31 PM
I think that some of the Paley tapes are Brian's best work.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on April 23, 2010, 10:29:16 PM
Some of the Paley tapes are on GOIMH!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 23, 2010, 11:59:05 PM
So when Brian was preparing for the GIOMH album, did he have to sit through the Sweet Instanity/Paley tapes? Did he say "gee's, what was I thinking" when he heard it?

Brian didn't choose the songs for that album: he's stated that more than once in interviews.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: jimmyboy on April 24, 2010, 04:37:30 PM
It is so cool to be able to hear from Stebbins and Roach! Thanks for the time and effort you guys! Andrew Doe is a well of great info. Thanks Andrew.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on April 25, 2010, 01:16:35 AM
Some of the Paley tapes are on GOIMH!
I happen to think that GIOMH is Brian's best album.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 25, 2010, 03:12:49 AM
Some of the Paley tapes are on GOIMH!
I happen to think that GIOMH is Brian's best album.

You and maybe one other, then.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: slothrop on April 25, 2010, 01:33:44 PM
Some of the Paley tapes are on GOIMH!
I happen to think that GIOMH is Brian's best album.

I actually like a lot of it. At least it sounds like a Brian Wilson production, which is more than can be said for Imagination or even 88. I don't know what else everyone hears that is so awful. Yes some of the vocals are a bit off, but it's Brian we're talking about...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on April 25, 2010, 02:39:11 PM
This is the thing about GIOMH. There were folks who liked it when it came out. And there were folks who didn't like it. And the folks who didn't like it, they didn't like it with a passion that put the first group of folks to shame. And that continues to be the case. I doubt many people who like it feel like it's the second coming of Smile, or even Love You. But I find it, like you, clearly a BW production, even if a somewhat ramshackle one. But opinion is so divided that it's hard to discuss the album in much more depth than "I like it," "I hate it," "You're wrong," "No, you're wrong."

And for the folks disposed to like it, Brian has released several other, slicker (and arguably better) things since. So it's more pleasant -- and interesting -- to talk about BWPS or the Christmas album or the Bennett demos or TLOS.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 25, 2010, 02:46:32 PM
1 - Brian didn't choose the songs.
2 - too many BW bvs.
3 - Brian doesn't sound like he's enjoying himself.
4 - far too many of the vocals (lead & bv) are rushed, and frankly some suck.
5 - the mix is, by and large, appalling*: as a friend of mine who knows his music and knows his Brian said, 'everything louder than everything else'.
6 - these days, no-one in Brian's organisation talks about it. And I mean no-one.

[* - I know, the credits say Mark mixed it and so does he. I happen not to believe the totality of that, and nor does someone else who was at hand. Mark operated the board, but my belief is he was taking orders.]


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on April 25, 2010, 03:03:22 PM
1 - Brian didn't choose the songs.
2 - too many BW bvs.
3 - Brian doesn't sound like he's enjoying himself.
4 - far too many of the vocals (lead & bv) are rushed, and frankly some suck.
5 - the mix is, by and large, appalling*: as a friend of mine who knows his music and knows his Brian said, 'everything louder than everything else'.
6 - these days, no-one in Brian's organisation talks about it. And I mean no-one.

[* - I know, the credits say Mark mixed it and so does he. I happen not to believe the totality of that, and nor does someone else who was at hand. Mark operated the board, but my belief is he was taking orders.]

Wow, I didn't know that


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on April 25, 2010, 03:18:21 PM
As I said, it's difficult to talk about GIOMH because opinion is so divided.  Most of AGD's points (2, 3, 4 and 5) boil down to personal impressions.

Which is fine. And I agree with some of them. But not all.

Brian has been "forced" to record for much of the last 40 years. People have disavowed albums he's produced (15BO) left and right. A sequence of folks have pulled his strings. But we still discuss and enjoy many albums produced in such circumstances.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on April 25, 2010, 05:42:48 PM
I profess my enjoyment of GIOMH because it was a time in which it was the first BW production to come out when I had became a 'real' fan....at the time I started obsessing over the BB/BW, Live at the Roxy had just came out, so GIOMH was just the first thing I could really enjoy at the time it came out...and I knew most were songs of Paley/Sweet Insanity era, but I enjoyed it anyway


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on April 25, 2010, 05:43:57 PM
7. Darian's not on it.

AGD's right about no-one mentioning it, on the NPR interview from 2008 Bennett mentioned it just in passing and there was a complete silence following it.

I used to be in the middle regarding GIOMH, but now I'm fairly negative. It's simply because I've listened to the Paley sessions so much and prefer those versions many, many, many times over to the versions that were released. Same goes for DLHKSAA, which, despite the shoddy SI production, has a gorgeous lead from Brian (on the second version). Compare that to the travesty we were given on the GIOMH album and there you go.

But really, it's never that same, as is usually the case with Brian. GIOMH has one of Brian's very worst songs on his own, "The Waltz," and one of his best solo songs/recordings, "Desert Drive."


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on April 25, 2010, 06:37:22 PM
I like GIOMH simply for the fact that It actually sounds like a Brian Wilson recording. There are little musical touches off and on that remind me of Pet Sounds. Not that GIOMH is anywhere near Pet Sounds, mind you. But I listen to songs like You've Touched Me and GIOMH, and I can hear little brief shades and hints of PS.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on April 25, 2010, 08:32:44 PM
7. Darian's not on it.

AGD's right about no-one mentioning it, on the NPR interview from 2008 Bennett mentioned it just in passing and there was a complete silence following it.

I used to be in the middle regarding GIOMH, but now I'm fairly negative. It's simply because I've listened to the Paley sessions so much and prefer those versions many, many, many times over to the versions that were released. Same goes for DLHKSAA, which, despite the shoddy SI production, has a gorgeous lead from Brian (on the second version). Compare that to the travesty we were given on the GIOMH album and there you go.

But really, it's never that same, as is usually the case with Brian. GIOMH has one of Brian's very worst songs on his own, "The Waltz," and one of his best solo songs/recordings, "Desert Drive."

Yeah, I know a lot of people expected a lot here, especially with VDP's credit....honestly, I've gotta give props to the original: Lets Get Together; the  accordion is outta sight and my fav vocal part of Sweet Insanity: "When you smile at me."  Brian's voice sounds great!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 26, 2010, 12:37:11 AM
honestly, I've gotta give props to the original: Lets Get Together; the  accordion is outta sight

Take a bow, Weird Al !  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on April 26, 2010, 04:58:41 AM
I thought that's who it was   :-D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on April 26, 2010, 07:44:47 AM
That's the other difficult part of GIOMH -- fans were familiar with previous versions of 11 (possibly 12) of the 13 songs. And had been familiar for years. It can be very hard to listen to the record without hearing the earlier versions in your head and comparing.

This is okay in some cases -- most of the SI backing tracks were begging to be recut -- but to lose the Paley sessions lead to the title track and Carl's bridge in Soul Searchin' hurts.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: slothrop on April 26, 2010, 09:26:20 AM
I like GIOMH simply for the fact that It actually sounds like a Brian Wilson recording. There are little musical touches off and on that remind me of Pet Sounds. Not that GIOMH is anywhere near Pet Sounds, mind you. But I listen to songs like You've Touched Me and GIOMH, and I can hear little brief shades and hints of PS.

Exactly what makes it a worthwhile production for me. Plus, I, for some insane reason, don't think his vocals are that awful. "You've Touched Me" which people have often used as an example, is probably my favorite on the album--it's a simple Brian Wilson love song, that is, really, very endearing. Too me he doesn't sound uninterested as much as comfortable just singing over his music. No frills or pretension, he's just making BW music. Plus, that tag! BW always has the best tags and this one's up there with Melt Away and all the others he's done--amazing.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: phirnis on April 26, 2010, 10:48:05 AM
GIOMH isn't that bad really... Used to like it a lot when it came out in 2004, though I have to say I put it away for several years after that. To me, it sounds kind of half-assed but it still has its moments, "You've Touched Me" being a particular favorite of mine as well, as stylistically it used to remind me of the Friends album. It's nowhere near as brilliant as that, but still a nice enough song if you ask me. (REALLY dislike "Fairy Tale", however, as that song to me contains the downright most cringe-inducing BB-related lyric ever.) I'd give it 2 1/2 stars...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on April 26, 2010, 08:23:35 PM
I like GIOMH simply for the fact that It actually sounds like a Brian Wilson recording. There are little musical touches off and on that remind me of Pet Sounds. Not that GIOMH is anywhere near Pet Sounds, mind you. But I listen to songs like You've Touched Me and GIOMH, and I can hear little brief shades and hints of PS.

Exactly what makes it a worthwhile production for me. Plus, I, for some insane reason, don't think his vocals are that awful. "You've Touched Me" which people have often used as an example, is probably my favorite on the album--it's a simple Brian Wilson love song, that is, really, very endearing. Too me he doesn't sound uninterested as much as comfortable just singing over his music. No frills or pretension, he's just making BW music. Plus, that tag! BW always has the best tags and this one's up there with Melt Away and all the others he's done--amazing.
That tag to You've Touched Me just might be the best beach boys related moment since the tage to Funky Pretty.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on April 26, 2010, 08:26:19 PM
Anyone feel the need for another slow ballad of beauty on the Love You album? I feel as though the Night is So Young is the only slow number and this album cries for another ballad like song, I think My Diane would fit perfectly (maybe add some synth to fit in)  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on April 26, 2010, 09:04:51 PM
That's the other difficult part of GIOMH -- fans were familiar with previous versions of 11 (possibly 12) of the 13 songs. And had been familiar for years. It can be very hard to listen to the record without hearing the earlier versions in your head and comparing.

This is okay in some cases -- most of the SI backing tracks were begging to be recut -- but to lose the Paley sessions lead to the title track and Carl's bridge in Soul Searchin' hurts.
See, I never liked Carl's original bridge on Soul Searchin'. Although I will say that going from Carl's voice to Brian's 2003 voice is quite jarring. And they cut out the backing vocals! The backing vocals on the original 1995(?) version were GREAT. They start on the second verse, I believe. But they were edited out of the GIOMH version.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 27, 2010, 12:03:56 AM
That's the other difficult part of GIOMH -- fans were familiar with previous versions of 11 (possibly 12) of the 13 songs. And had been familiar for years. It can be very hard to listen to the record without hearing the earlier versions in your head and comparing.

This is okay in some cases -- most of the SI backing tracks were begging to be recut -- but to lose the Paley sessions lead to the title track and Carl's bridge in Soul Searchin' hurts.
See, I never liked Carl's original bridge on Soul Searchin'. Although I will say that going from Carl's voice to Brian's 2003 voice is quite jarring. And they cut out the backing vocals! The backing vocals on the original 1995(?) version were GREAT. They start on the second verse, I believe. But they were edited out of the GIOMH version.

I strongly suspect because said bvs were by Mike, Alan & Adam.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on April 27, 2010, 07:28:29 AM
AGD -- I believe you mean Matt rather than Adam, no?

That's what I recall from reports ...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 27, 2010, 09:45:24 AM
AGD -- I believe you mean Matt rather than Adam, no?

That's what I recall from reports ...

Damn Jardines - they all look the same to me.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on April 27, 2010, 11:05:35 AM
Is Matt Jardine doubling Brian's lead on "You're Still a Mystery"?

Matthew has a hell of a voice btw.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on April 27, 2010, 01:26:19 PM
New question that I wanted to ask: Why the hell wasn't Carry Me Home on Holland and why has it still not had an official release? I didn't download Carry Me Home last week and I'm completely knocked out by it, Dennis' voice is so heartfelt its wonderful to behold and the backing vocals are just heavenly, Blondies parts are great too, I can't praise this song enough.



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 27, 2010, 03:41:37 PM
I think the concensus was (Dennis included) that it was too downbeat. Shame. Powerful number.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Ganz Allein on April 27, 2010, 06:25:50 PM
I think the concensus was (Dennis included) that it was too downbeat. Shame. Powerful number.


That's a damn shame. I find CMH way more uplifting than "The Beaks of Eagles" or "The Eeks of Beagles" or whatever it's called.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on April 29, 2010, 07:03:50 PM
next question:

I was looking at a session log sheet for How she Boogalooed it in one of the great BB books (Keith Badman I believe) and the original title added 'Good Lord' before 'How she....'   

any story behind that?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on April 29, 2010, 08:24:59 PM
another question concerning when the guys wanted to change their name simply to Beach:

When was this?

I have a feeling it would have just lasted for one album or one tour (assuming it would have been a failure of an idea)...what album would fit the name Beach with its title?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: slothrop on April 29, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
another question concerning when the guys wanted to change their name simply to Beach:

When was this?

I have a feeling it would have just lasted for one album or one tour (assuming it would have been a failure of an idea)...what album would fit the name Beach with its title?

Pg. 147, chapter 9 in Carlin's book says it was early 1969. Desper even says that Brian had something written up and signed by himself, but the other guys obviously didn't go for it. Imagine, Sunflower would be the first (and possibly only) album by The Beach. If a band were to have only one album it couldn't get much better than that.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on May 01, 2010, 09:35:20 AM
In Badman's book he states that Let's Go Away For Awhile had lyrics (which is common knowledge to us fans), but then he goes on to say that the real reason the vocals for this weren't recorded (negating Brian's claim that he just liked the track as it was sans vocals/lyrics) was because Capitol got restless for product and "confiscated" the tapes of Pet Sounds and put it out (essentially) behind Brian's back.   
If this were true, then wouldn't that mean that Brian isn't the one who mastered the album?  Yet there's a quote from Fred Vail about being with Brian (and hearing the album for the first time) while Brian mastered Pet Sounds.
Was it more a case of Capitol pressuring Brian and Brian giving in and completing the album before he was as done with it as he might have wanted to be?   Or did capitol actually "confiscate" the tapes as Badman claims?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 01, 2010, 09:57:00 AM
In Badman's book he states that Let's Go Away For Awhile had lyrics (which is common knowledge to us fans)...

Might be 'common knowledge' for you, but for fans here who know their stuff, it's a myth: "LGAFAW" never had lyrics written, and I can state this based on an impeccable source. Tony Asher told me, Stomp convention in the late 90s.

Badman's book states an awful lot of things which could politely be described as contentious.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on May 01, 2010, 10:57:17 AM
We should make a thread about the Badman book and its false facts and present other sources to prove them wrong


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on May 01, 2010, 02:59:53 PM
In Badman's book he states that Let's Go Away For Awhile had lyrics (which is common knowledge to us fans)...

Might be 'common knowledge' for you, but for fans here who know their stuff, it's a myth: "LGAFAW" never had lyrics written, and I can state this based on an impeccable source. Tony Asher told me, Stomp convention in the late 90s.

Badman's book states an awful lot of things which could politely be described as contentious.  ;D

well that's why I was asking...because I wouldn't claim to know everything there is to know (nor even most of it), but that's what questions are for aren't they, to learn.    Sorry for stating something I believed to be true because I had heard it said and read it countless times - though obviously that doesn't necessarily make something true of course.
Anyway, I had a few other questions related to the Badman book, but never mind.   It would seem that  book is not only full of typos, but misinformation as well.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 01, 2010, 03:09:08 PM
In Badman's book he states that Let's Go Away For Awhile had lyrics (which is common knowledge to us fans)...

Might be 'common knowledge' for you, but for fans here who know their stuff, it's a myth: "LGAFAW" never had lyrics written, and I can state this based on an impeccable source. Tony Asher told me, Stomp convention in the late 90s.

Badman's book states an awful lot of things which could politely be described as contentious.  ;D

well that's why I was asking...because I wouldn't claim to know everything there is to know (nor even most of it), but that's what questions are for aren't they, to learn.    Sorry for stating something I believed to be true because I had heard it said and read it countless times - though obviously that doesn't necessarily make something true of course.
Anyway, I had a few other questions related to the Badman book, but never mind.   It would seem that  book is not only full of typos, but misinformation as well.

Not entirely - the stuff he took from my website and other people's websites & MB posts (without permission or crediting us) is pretty accurate.  ;D

Probably where it falls down most badly is the live shows. Ian Rusten has been researching those with a dedication that borders on obsession (in a good way), and the results are to be found here:

http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs.html (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs.html)

Any other questions you have re: Badman, ask away.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on May 02, 2010, 11:49:38 PM
Has Mr. Badman ever publicly commented on his "misinformation", and relying on other sources in his book? Or about the Social Security numbers and other information like that?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 03, 2010, 12:30:20 AM
Has Mr. Badman ever publicly commented on his "misinformation", and relying on other sources in his book? Or about the Social Security numbers and other information like that?

Not really... when I emailed him (and the publishers) to point out a few concerns of mine, he told me that his researchers neglected to provide their sources when they delivered their info to him, and also that he was unaware of the significance of American Social Security numbers. Otherwise, I've seen no 'public' apology.


Title: Re: Lyrics to Let's Go Away for Awhile....
Post by: Ang Jones on May 04, 2010, 10:52:34 AM
... Sean McReavy put some lyrics to this. Sorry if someone has already made this point.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: carl r on May 04, 2010, 01:15:50 PM
My question is: Did Murry provide any backing vocals for 'Help Me Rhonda' - the album version?

There's a deep voice in there which is gravelly and - well, middle-aged. There's a lot going on the background of that chorus - kind of occult noises.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on May 04, 2010, 02:26:54 PM
idk about HMR, but he did do backing vocals for Be here in the Morning, as Mike was absent


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Post by: OneEar/OneEye on May 05, 2010, 07:20:16 AM
Badman did a similar kind of book on the Small Faces.  I had been keen to read it but now am a bit wary.  Has anyone read this?  Is it as faulty as his BB's book?


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Post by: Jay on May 07, 2010, 09:00:16 PM
In the Summer Dreams movies, "Dennis" comes home to find his house trashed, with the words "'No lLove No Respect" written on the walls. Did this really happen? Or is it just a jumbled up version of the Superbowl 1981 incident, possibly with a little Charles Manson thrown in?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 08, 2010, 01:40:44 AM
In the Summer Dreams movies, "Dennis" comes home to find his house trashed, with the words "'No lLove No Respect" written on the walls. Did this really happen? Or is it just a jumbled up version of the Superbowl 1981 incident, possibly with a little Charles Manson thrown in?

Nope. 100% accurate. Was reported in, I think, People.


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Post by: Don_Zabu on May 10, 2010, 05:20:55 PM
Anyone have any exact measurements of Brian's height at any given time period?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 11, 2010, 12:26:18 AM
Anyone have any exact measurements of Brian's height at any given time period?

Brian's 6-2, 6-3.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on May 11, 2010, 08:22:57 PM
In the Summer Dreams movies, "Dennis" comes home to find his house trashed, with the words "'No lLove No Respect" written on the walls. Did this really happen? Or is it just a jumbled up version of the Superbowl 1981 incident, possibly with a little Charles Manson thrown in?

Nope. 100% accurate. Was reported in, I think, People.
Do you recall what year it happened?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 12, 2010, 12:56:23 AM
In the Summer Dreams movies, "Dennis" comes home to find his house trashed, with the words "'No lLove No Respect" written on the walls. Did this really happen? Or is it just a jumbled up version of the Superbowl 1981 incident, possibly with a little Charles Manson thrown in?

Nope. 100% accurate. Was reported in, I think, People.
Do you recall what year it happened?

It was when he was with Shawn, I think, so 1982-83.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on May 12, 2010, 09:23:14 PM
In the Summer Dreams movies, "Dennis" comes home to find his house trashed, with the words "'No lLove No Respect" written on the walls. Did this really happen? Or is it just a jumbled up version of the Superbowl 1981 incident, possibly with a little Charles Manson thrown in?

Nope. 100% accurate. Was reported in, I think, People.
Do you recall what year it happened?

It was when he was with Shawn, I think, so 1982-83.
Thanks for the info. Is it known who the guilty parties were? Imean, other than the "usual suspects".


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 13, 2010, 01:15:37 AM
In the Summer Dreams movies, "Dennis" comes home to find his house trashed, with the words "'No lLove No Respect" written on the walls. Did this really happen? Or is it just a jumbled up version of the Superbowl 1981 incident, possibly with a little Charles Manson thrown in?

Nope. 100% accurate. Was reported in, I think, People.
Do you recall what year it happened?

It was when he was with Shawn, I think, so 1982-83.
Thanks for the info. Is it known who the guilty parties were? Imean, other than the "usual suspects".

It was Shawn (or whoever he was with - a nagging little voice in the back of my mind (d'ya see what I did there ?) keeps saying "Karen").


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Post by: grillo on May 13, 2010, 12:38:02 PM
In the Summer Dreams movies, "Dennis" comes home to find his house trashed, with the words "'No lLove No Respect" written on the walls. Did this really happen? Or is it just a jumbled up version of the Superbowl 1981 incident, possibly with a little Charles Manson thrown in?

Nope. 100% accurate. Was reported in, I think, People.
Wonder if it was Gaines who reported it. He seemed to appreciate the Dennis aspect of the BB story quite a bit in H&V.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on May 13, 2010, 06:24:49 PM
Ok, here's another Dennis related Beach Boys question. It has been reported that the last recording of The Beach Boys to feature Dennis was the song Endless Harmony.It has also been stated that Dennis played "percussion" on the song. What, exactly, does the word "percussion" refer to? What was the last Beach Boys recording that Dennis played full "drums" on? Was it the Johnny B Goode KTSA outtake?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 14, 2010, 12:09:04 AM
Ok, here's another Dennis related Beach Boys question. It has been reported that the last recording of The Beach Boys to feature Dennis was the song Endless Harmony.It has also been stated that Dennis played "percussion" on the song. What, exactly, does the word "percussion" refer to? What was the last Beach Boys recording that Dennis played full "drums" on? Was it the Johnny B Goode KTSA outtake?

Indeed, it was "JBG". As for 'percussion', I take that to mean stuff like a bell tree, maracas, tambourine - basically anything you hit that isn't a drum/drum kit.


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Post by: slothrop on May 14, 2010, 09:51:50 AM
Has that version of JBG ever been "booted"? Strange that one of the last songs recorded with Dennis hasn't seen some sort of release.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 14, 2010, 10:10:00 AM
Has that version of JBG ever been "booted"? Strange that one of the last songs recorded with Dennis hasn't seen some sort of release.

Not to my knowledge.


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Post by: adamghost on May 14, 2010, 12:47:02 PM
My question is: Did Murry provide any backing vocals for 'Help Me Rhonda' - the album version?

There's a deep voice in there which is gravelly and - well, middle-aged. There's a lot going on the background of that chorus - kind of occult noises.

Session tapes reveal Dennis and Mike doing a low parallel harmony ("rhon-rhon, rhon-rhon") which sounds like what you're talking about.


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Post by: adamghost on May 14, 2010, 12:53:46 PM
Ok, here's another Dennis related Beach Boys question. It has been reported that the last recording of The Beach Boys to feature Dennis was the song Endless Harmony.It has also been stated that Dennis played "percussion" on the song. What, exactly, does the word "percussion" refer to? What was the last Beach Boys recording that Dennis played full "drums" on? Was it the Johnny B Goode KTSA outtake?

Indeed, it was "JBG". As for 'percussion', I take that to mean stuff like a bell tree, maracas, tambourine - basically anything you hit that isn't a drum/drum kit.

Great question...it's actually also the last session to feature the Beach Boys recording as a full functioning band together.  Found out recently on the board that all 5 instrumental BBs are on this track.  For less than a minute, granted, but it's one of the best parts of KTSA.

Went back and listened for the "percussion" -- the only thing I hear is a (very effective) stroke across a set of chimes at 2:53.  So there's Dennis' contribution to KTSA. 

I can't hear it, because it would be covered up by the hi-hat, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was an eight-note shaker pulse throughout the rest of the track.


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Post by: Stegibo on May 19, 2010, 07:55:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PZyEsSQoEk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PZyEsSQoEk)
The melody that is played by the guitar at the beginning, does it appear in another song?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 19, 2010, 11:37:09 AM
Quick question for anyone in the know... Who owns the rights for the "Still Cruisin'" album and what is the likelyhood of it getting a proper remaster/reissue? I was listening to it on my mp3 yesterday then skipped to some Wild Honey tracks and was stunned by how flat and tinny it sounded by comparison to songs recorded 20 years before. Gotta be worth remastering it just for "Somewhere near Japan" alone. Maybe pile on Rock and Roll to the Rescue, Chasin' the Sky, East meets West etc as bonus tracks (I know I'm getting carried away here).


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 19, 2010, 01:17:20 PM
Quick question for anyone in the know... Who owns the rights for the "Still Cruisin'" album and what is the likelyhood of it getting a proper remaster/reissue? I was listening to it on my mp3 yesterday then skipped to some Wild Honey tracks and was stunned by how flat and tinny it sounded by comparison to songs recorded 20 years before. Gotta be worth remastering it just for "Somewhere near Japan" alone. Maybe pile on Rock and Roll to the Rescue, Chasin' the Sky, East meets West etc as bonus tracks (I know I'm getting carried away here).

Capitol, I presume.


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Post by: JaredLekites on May 19, 2010, 01:55:33 PM
Quick question for anyone in the know... Who owns the rights for the "Still Cruisin'" album and what is the likelyhood of it getting a proper remaster/reissue? I was listening to it on my mp3 yesterday then skipped to some Wild Honey tracks and was stunned by how flat and tinny it sounded by comparison to songs recorded 20 years before. Gotta be worth remastering it just for "Somewhere near Japan" alone. Maybe pile on Rock and Roll to the Rescue, Chasin' the Sky, East meets West etc as bonus tracks (I know I'm getting carried away here).

Capitol, I presume.

"Still Cruisin'" is iffy since two of the tracks, "Kokomo" and "Wipeout", are licensed from outside companies ("Kokomo" is owned by Disney and "Wipeout" is controlled by Polygram which is now Universal Music).

Me thinks that if it were to be remastered (and that's a pretty big IF), they would remove Landy's co-writing and production credits.


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Post by: Jay on May 19, 2010, 07:35:48 PM
Ok, here's another Dennis related Beach Boys question. It has been reported that the last recording of The Beach Boys to feature Dennis was the song Endless Harmony.It has also been stated that Dennis played "percussion" on the song. What, exactly, does the word "percussion" refer to? What was the last Beach Boys recording that Dennis played full "drums" on? Was it the Johnny B Goode KTSA outtake?

Indeed, it was "JBG". As for 'percussion', I take that to mean stuff like a bell tree, maracas, tambourine - basically anything you hit that isn't a drum/drum kit.
How is Dennis's playing on Johnny B Goode? I've always thought that Dennis wasn't much of a great live drummer in the last few years of his life. He basically played the same simple cymbal/drum pattern for almost every song. So it would be interesting to hear his playing in the studio from this period.


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Post by: Mike's Beard on May 23, 2010, 03:35:28 AM
Quick question for anyone in the know... Who owns the rights for the "Still Cruisin'" album and what is the likelyhood of it getting a proper remaster/reissue? I was listening to it on my mp3 yesterday then skipped to some Wild Honey tracks and was stunned by how flat and tinny it sounded by comparison to songs recorded 20 years before. Gotta be worth remastering it just for "Somewhere near Japan" alone. Maybe pile on Rock and Roll to the Rescue, Chasin' the Sky, East meets West etc as bonus tracks (I know I'm getting carried away here).

Capitol, I presume.

"Still Cruisin'" is iffy since two of the tracks, "Kokomo" and "Wipeout", are licensed from outside companies ("Kokomo" is owned by Disney and "Wipeout" is controlled by Polygram which is now Universal Music).

Me thinks that if it were to be remastered (and that's a pretty big IF), they would remove Landy's co-writing and production credits.

This stems from the fact that they were intially used on soundtracks I presume? Shame, whilst no masterpiece I would appreciate a 'modern audio equipment standards' version for my collection.


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Post by: Wrightfan on May 24, 2010, 10:30:51 AM
What is that weird noise in the first verse of IJWMFTT? Sounds like tape loops similar to Tomorrow Never Knows but I'm not sure.


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Post by: Jay on May 24, 2010, 09:09:27 PM
What is that weird noise in the first verse of IJWMFTT? Sounds like tape loops similar to Tomorrow Never Knows but I'm not sure.
The first thing that pops into my head is the theremin/tannerin, but that's obvious.


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Post by: Don_Zabu on June 07, 2010, 02:53:42 PM
Does anyone have MIDI or sheet music or whatever of the Don't Talk harmony bit? You know, this thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scIncjf0y0E&feature=related


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Post by: Myk Luhv on June 07, 2010, 09:42:32 PM
On the Goodbye Surfing, Hello God bootleg box set put out by Vigotone, there is a track called "Harmony Friends" that is, they allege, an harmony that Brian and co. left unused. I just listened to an a cappella mix of "Break Away" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6aT2K38t2w) and the ending of the song struck me. Does anyone else think the ending of "Break Away" incorporates that bit of harmony? I realise the harmony itself is typical enough and so it could be mere coincidence, but there was obviously something about it that made me think it could be the same one. Enough to post about it, at any rate!


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Post by: Jason on June 07, 2010, 10:02:08 PM
It is indeed the tag from Break Away.


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Post by: Don_Zabu on June 07, 2010, 10:32:45 PM
When it comes to how the blend was made up, is this accurate? From highest to lowest:
-Brian
-Bruce
-Al
-Carl
-Dennis
-Mike


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Post by: adamghost on June 08, 2010, 01:21:58 AM
You mean, in general?  I don't know how it went down when all six of them were singing.  In the early days Dennis was, surprisingly, higher than Carl.


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Post by: c-man on June 08, 2010, 05:01:35 AM
Sometimes Carl would sing a higher part than Al (like on "Surfer Girl" for instance).  Like Adam said, Dennis was sometimes higher than Carl (like "In My Room", although it got switched later on onstage).  I think Bruce was oftentimes higher than Brian in the background mix (I'm thinking of things like "Sloop John B.", "Good Vibrations", and "Heroes and Villains", where Brian sang some very high lines for sure, but when there's a mass of voices together, maybe Bruce is higher).


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Post by: Myk Luhv on June 08, 2010, 06:07:59 AM
It is indeed the tag from Break Away.

Ah, gotta love inaccurate boots. Thanks!


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Post by: filledeplage on June 08, 2010, 08:00:40 AM
Has Mr. Badman ever publicly commented on his "misinformation", and relying on other sources in his book? Or about the Social Security numbers and other information like that?

Not really... when I emailed him (and the publishers) to point out a few concerns of mine, he told me that his researchers neglected to provide their sources when they delivered their info to him, and also that he was unaware of the significance of American Social Security numbers. Otherwise, I've seen no 'public' apology.

Andrew - I found that equally shocking (the Social Security Numbers publication) and, think should have been "redacted out" especially in light of the fact that there is a "half-hearted" attempt in doing same with the "Employer's Address (which is "visible" on p. 127 of Badman) and street address, as well as the label which was crossed out.  On other pages such as on p. 109 and 118, there is no "redaction" or "blacking out" of any information.

Those numbers are highly "private" but used to be employed at an ID number on the Drivers Licences in many states in the US, although my home state has removed it and assigns another non Social Security number as your Drivers License ID number, as Identity theft has become such a problem.   

It is particularly shocking, given the copyright of my book, which is 2004 and during a time when not only Identity Theft became an issue but also a news item, as "for a price"  people were able to ascertain the Social Security numbers of US Presidents and high profile individuals.   

One would think that if a subsequent "printing" should occur, not only should the numbers be "redacted" completely, an apology should issue from the author for their inclusion in the first place, since less important (in my opinion) information was "redacted" or "blacked out" in what is offered as an historic document.   

And in the July, 1969 section, I think there are concert date "errors."       


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 08, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
And in the July, 1969 section, I think there are concert date "errors."       

The whole book is bursting with concert date errors - if you go to the gigs & sessions section of my website, you'll notice that there are a lot of dates between 1961 and 1976 inclusive that are marked with an asterisk. They were either not included in Badman's book, or contained some error. If a concert is in Badman but not in 10452, then that gig never took place (and not because it was cancelled !). Ian Rusten did all the research for that, and I am forever indebted to him.


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Post by: punkinhead on June 08, 2010, 12:05:30 PM
Question, I remember a while ago, on another board, might have been the blueboard, where someone said there was a movie that had the whole BW 88 album playing through out or in a scene...anyone recall what this is or am I dreaming?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on June 08, 2010, 03:11:14 PM
Back when Carl was trying to get Smile out in some form in the early 70s (around CATP/Holland era), how much work did he do? like what kind of research: mix anything? make a track list? or overdub anything?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 09, 2010, 01:00:26 AM
Back when Carl was trying to get Smile out in some form in the early 70s (around CATP/Holland era), how much work did he do? like what kind of research: mix anything? make a track list? or overdub anything?

Seems all he & Desper did circa 1972 was to gather all the available tapes together, listen to them, make a list of tracks/songs, make saftey copies and put them all back into storage. Had thay not made safties, a lot of the Smile music that we have today might be lost.


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Post by: Steve Mayo on June 09, 2010, 10:35:13 AM
Question, I remember a while ago, on another board, might have been the blueboard, where someone said there was a movie that had the whole BW 88 album playing through out or in a scene...anyone recall what this is or am I dreaming?

not totally sure of the name but i seem to remember the movie's title as lover boy...something like that. some kid gets a job as a pizza delivery guy and screws all these guys wife's. the husbands then try to track him down. i think about 3 or so songs from bw 88 were played...if this is the same movie you are asking about.


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Post by: bgas on June 09, 2010, 03:22:20 PM
Question, I remember a while ago, on another board, might have been the blueboard, where someone said there was a movie that had the whole BW 88 album playing through out or in a scene...anyone recall what this is or am I dreaming?

not totally sure of the name but i seem to remember the movie's title as lover boy...something like that. some kid gets a job as a pizza delivery guy and screws all these guys wife's. the husbands then try to track him down. i think about 3 or so songs from bw 88 were played...if this is the same movie you are asking about.

You are, of course, correct! Starring Patrick Dempsey; info to be found here: http://www.fast-rewind.com/loverboy.htm


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Post by: punkinhead on June 09, 2010, 09:14:41 PM
Back when Carl was trying to get Smile out in some form in the early 70s (around CATP/Holland era), how much work did he do? like what kind of research: mix anything? make a track list? or overdub anything?

Seems all he & Desper did circa 1972 was to gather all the available tapes together, listen to them, make a list of tracks/songs, make saftey copies and put them all back into storage. Had thay not made safties, a lot of the Smile music that we have today might be lost.

Dang, GO CARL! That should be on a Top 5 for Carl Wilson Appreciation Thread


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Post by: Jay on June 10, 2010, 01:07:12 AM
I have always wondered about the relationship between Dennis and Bruce. Everybody knows that Dennis and Mike didn't get along at all in the last few years. As Bruce seems to have sided with Mike since around the early 1980's, did Dennis and Bruce not get along? I might be wrong, but I seem to remember Bruce getting some kind of credit on Dennnis's POB album.


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Post by: mikeyj on June 10, 2010, 01:31:05 AM
I have always wondered about the relationship between Dennis and Bruce. Everybody knows that Dennis and Mike didn't get along at all in the last few years. As Bruce seems to have sided with Mike since around the early 1980's, did Dennis and Bruce not get along? I might be wrong, but I seem to remember Bruce getting some kind of credit on Dennnis's POB album.

Yep he is credited with backing vocals but I'm pretty sure Bruce isn't really a fan of the album from what I recall.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 10, 2010, 02:13:23 AM
I have always wondered about the relationship between Dennis and Bruce. Everybody knows that Dennis and Mike didn't get along at all in the last few years. As Bruce seems to have sided with Mike since around the early 1980's, did Dennis and Bruce not get along? I might be wrong, but I seem to remember Bruce getting some kind of credit on Dennnis's POB album.

Yep he is credited with backing vocals but I'm pretty sure Bruce isn't really a fan of the album from what I recall.

The falsetto on "End Of The Show" is Bruce. He also does the bvs to "Wild Situation" with Carl.


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Post by: Bicyclerider on June 10, 2010, 11:20:12 AM
Back when Carl was trying to get Smile out in some form in the early 70s (around CATP/Holland era), how much work did he do? like what kind of research: mix anything? make a track list? or overdub anything?

Seems all he & Desper did circa 1972 was to gather all the available tapes together, listen to them, make a list of tracks/songs, make saftey copies and put them all back into storage. Had thay not made safties, a lot of the Smile music that we have today might be lost.

My understanding of what Desper and Carl did in 72:  collect tapes and either copy them or transfer them to 8 track (the instrumental sessions were originally on 4 track, with most vocal sessions done on 8 track at Columbia but not all).  The idea was to collect the material with safety copies and allow track room for overdubs for the planned release of Smile with Holland.  Much of the Smile boot material was derived from these 8 track compilations.  Desper has suggested that some minor work, i.e. overdubs, were attempted on some of the tapes but has never mentioned titles or what kind of overdubs were done, perhaps because he doesn't remember.  Of course we know overdubs were done on Prayer and Cabinessence (vocal overdubs) for 20/20 - interestingly, the multitrack tape for the Cabinessence version has disappeared, only the two track mixdown is in the Beach Boys tape vault.  I've wondered if the backing vocal for the Worms verse (the one released on the box set with the tape wobble) was a 1972 overdub, as it hasn't appeared elsewhere on the 8 track tapes that came out on Sea of Tunes.  Worms was on Carl's track list for the 72 Smile.  Of course if they bothered to do backing vocals on that, why not just record the lead vocal and then the track would be finished?  Unless they didn't have the lyrics and Brian (and Van Dyke) wasn't willing to cooperate.  Ultimately Brian's resistance to the project convinced Carl to abandon it.


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Post by: punkinhead on June 10, 2010, 09:00:30 PM
I was recently listening to a recording of a concert (one of the first TLOS shows, I think)...anyways, it was one of the shows where When I Grow Up to Be a Man is performed (and then She Knows Me Too Well, then I'd Love just Once to See You); and the band sings one last part of When I grow Up accapella, and I can't figure out what they sing/say, it sounds like: "it's going to suck," or something like that, anyone wanna take a stab at this one?


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 10, 2010, 10:06:04 PM
I was recently listening to a recording of a concert (one of the first TLOS shows, I think)...anyways, it was one of the shows where When I Grow Up to Be a Man is performed (and then She Knows Me Too Well, then I'd Love just Once to See You); and the band sings one last part of When I grow Up accapella, and I can't figure out what they sing/say, it sounds like: "it's going to suck," or something like that, anyone wanna take a stab at this one?
Its Kinda Sad


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Post by: punkinhead on June 11, 2010, 10:37:21 AM
AH HA! Thank you!


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Post by: runnersdialzero on June 14, 2010, 12:37:49 PM
Just saw the vocal credits thread - is that really Mike on "I Love to Say Da Da"? I'd always thought it was Brian.


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Post by: Wrightfan on June 14, 2010, 07:21:51 PM
Just saw the vocal credits thread - is that really Mike on "I Love to Say Da Da"? I'd always thought it was Brian.

I've always thought it was Mike though I could see how someone would think it would Brian doing a rare pre-1972 deep vocal.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 14, 2010, 10:18:02 PM
Just saw the vocal credits thread - is that really Mike on "I Love to Say Da Da"? I'd always thought it was Brian.

I've always thought it was Mike though I could see how someone would think it would Brian doing a rare pre-1972 deep vocal.

I don't hear any bit of Mike's bass voice in there.

On the Smile material, Brian's all over the place as far as tone goes - the "Good Vibrations" scratch take, "He Gives Speeches", and even the two different vocals we have for "Heroes and Villains" almost sound like four different vocalists. I really think it's him on "Da Da", but if not him, then I really don't think it's Mike.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on June 17, 2010, 08:20:17 AM
This might be worthy of its own thread -- and if so, I will make one -- but for now I will place the question here:

Can someone more precisely lay out the lineage between the great American songwriters (Gershwin, Foster, Berlin, etc.) and Brian Wilson? I have heard often enough that he is considered -- or was, at least, during the 1966-67 Smile era -- to be a contemporary incarnate of this tradition. Is this because he fashioned an America in the Beach Boys' songs that was worthy of people like Berlin and Foster (although here I primarily think of Smile songs perhaps "Surfin' USA" and "Hawaii" might vaguely qualify), or merely that his compositional style was what Gershwin tended to do (with "Rhapsody in Blue" as the obvious example), or was it both? Surely there is reason people often group Brian in with Berlin and Gershwin and Porter and co., and although I have some sense of why, I'm curious what the more informed folks here think.


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Post by: Wirestone on June 17, 2010, 09:32:45 AM
I don't know if he was really compared to such songwriters at the time.

Starting in the 70s, there was certainly a strain of criticism that talked about BW/BB music as archetypically American (surfing, cars, etc.) and how that was part of an American popular songwriting tradition that went back to people like Stephen Foster. That was primarily about subject matter, although the way the music made these subjects soar was certainly part of the equation.

Compositionally, I'm not sure if people really drew the connection until much more recently. And frankly, Brian's stuff is not always as sophisticated as the greatest songs by Porter, Berlin and Gershwin, etc. Brian worked in another tradition -- doo-wop and R&B flavored in the beginning -- and his songs came from that, although they were augmented with "adult" touches that he picked up from Four Freshman-style records.

That being said, like Lennon and McCartney, he took a very simple, three-chord popular form and made it something quite different. And he incorporates arrangement, production and performance in his tunes in a way that the Gershwin, etc. could not have imagined.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on June 17, 2010, 12:19:06 PM
I don't know if he was really compared to such songwriters at the time.

Starting in the 70s, there was certainly a strain of criticism that talked about BW/BB music as archetypically American (surfing, cars, etc.) and how that was part of an American popular songwriting tradition that went back to people like Stephen Foster. That was primarily about subject matter, although the way the music made these subjects soar was certainly part of the equation.

Compositionally, I'm not sure if people really drew the connection until much more recently. And frankly, Brian's stuff is not always as sophisticated as the greatest songs by Porter, Berlin and Gershwin, etc. Brian worked in another tradition -- doo-wop and R&B flavored in the beginning -- and his songs came from that, although they were augmented with "adult" touches that he picked up from Four Freshman-style records.

That being said, like Lennon and McCartney, he took a very simple, three-chord popular form and made it something quite different. And he incorporates arrangement, production and performance in his tunes in a way that the Gershwin, etc. could not have imagined.

:-[ I should have figured such comparisons were not contemporaneous with his work in the 1960s.

That makes sense though. I suppose what I was wondering is whether he made a conscious effort to bring himself into that "great American songbook" tradition or if such comparisons were bestowed upon him after he just sort of did his thing. He certainly seemed to cover enough of such material, which is what made me curious initially. Thanks for the corrective! (I suppose if I knew music theory, Inside the Music of Brian Wilson by Phillip Lambert would be instructive here.)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Sound of Free on June 18, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
From the thread about songs where all the vocals are Brian:

Well, discounting the obvious (i.e. songs like "Caroline, No" or "Don't Talk..."), all the voices on "The Surfer Moon" sound awfully similar to me.

Of the seven vocal tracks on "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times", six are Brian.

Which part is not Brian on that track? I thought they were all him...

Sorry, misremembered it slightly.

The 8-track sheet from Columbia looks like this (all spellings, etc. as on sheet):

1. Bryan - chorus
2. Bryan -  lead no. 1
3. vocal group no. 1
4. orchestra (i.e. instrumental track - AGD)
5. Bryan - lead no. 2
6  Bryan - chorus
7. vocal group no. 2
8. Bryan - no. 1 - echo



I also saw the same misspelling in (I think) the box set booklet.

Who working that closely with the Beach Boys thought his name was spelled "Bryan"? If his name actually was "Bryan" I could see misspelling it "Brian" because it's much more common with an "I" than a "Y" but not the other way.

Well, no matter how you spell it, Bryan is a great singer. Sometimes I have trouble telling his voice from Karl's.  :lol



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Emdeeh on June 18, 2010, 05:00:22 PM
Or Allan's.  :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Alex on June 19, 2010, 09:38:49 AM
Or Allan's.  :lol

Or telling his bass voice apart from Mikal's.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on June 21, 2010, 02:06:02 AM
Who does the grunts in 'Bicycle Rider'? Mike?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on June 21, 2010, 02:11:51 AM
Or Allan's.  :lol

Or telling his bass voice apart from Mikal's.
Gets even more complicated when you get Brunettie into the mix.  :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Domino on June 25, 2010, 07:39:55 AM
Is it Brian on the piano on Don't Go Near the Water?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wrightfan on June 25, 2010, 08:26:56 AM
Who does the grunts in 'Bicycle Rider'? Mike?

I always thought Mike as well.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 25, 2010, 10:04:49 AM
Who does the grunts in 'Bicycle Rider'? Mike?

I always thought Mike as well.

No, no NO !!! It's Brian !  Don't you understand ? Everything you think is Mike, is actually Brian - yes, even the lead on "Fun, Fun, Fun". Brian is a genius, he can imitate everyone's voice perfectly. Always remember this. It was even Brian pumping gas.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wrightfan on June 25, 2010, 12:40:20 PM
Who does the grunts in 'Bicycle Rider'? Mike?

I always thought Mike as well.

No, no NO !!! It's Brian !  Don't you understand ? Everything you think is Mike, is actually Brian - yes, even the lead on "Fun, Fun, Fun". Brian is a genius, he can imitate everyone's voice perfectly. Always remember this. It was even Brian pumping gas.

YOU ARE TEARING ME APART AGD!  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on June 25, 2010, 09:51:56 PM
BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT "BAKER MAN" HAD THAT MIKE SOUND, YOU KNOW?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: jammer730 on June 28, 2010, 01:11:34 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted, but does anyone know the bg lyrics to "Slip on Through"?

I know it's something like:

Baby, baby, believe that I...I love you ahh ahhh

Am I overlistening, I dunno... :P


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on June 28, 2010, 02:08:59 PM
No such thing as over listening to The Beach Boys my friend! ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 29, 2010, 12:24:18 PM
Who does the grunts in 'Bicycle Rider'? Mike?

I always thought Mike as well.

No, no NO !!! It's Brian !  Don't you understand ? Everything you think is Mike, is actually Brian - yes, even the lead on "Fun, Fun, Fun". Brian is a genius, he can imitate everyone's voice perfectly. Always remember this. It was even Brian pumping gas.

Hay, I'm not trying to give Brian too much credit in stating he sang "I Love to Say Da Da". I just think there's no way that's Michael.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: grillo on June 29, 2010, 09:59:34 PM
Who does the grunts in 'Bicycle Rider'? Mike?

I always thought Mike as well.

No, no NO !!! It's Brian !  Don't you understand ? Everything you think is Mike, is actually Brian - yes, even the lead on "Fun, Fun, Fun". Brian is a genius, he can imitate everyone's voice perfectly. Always remember this. It was even Brian pumping gas.

Hay, I'm not trying to give Brian too much credit in stating he sang "I Love to Say Da Da". I just think there's no way that's Michael.
And you ,sir, are correct


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on June 29, 2010, 10:40:28 PM
So, uh, what does Brian do for hobbies (excluding music, which is also his profession)? He must have stuff he does besides that which he enjoys thoroughly and can spend a day engaged in. Adopt kids, I guess?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on June 29, 2010, 11:32:07 PM
According to the man himself, he enjoys sex twice a day, every day.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 29, 2010, 11:39:50 PM
According to the man himself, he enjoys sex twice a day, every day.

Ah, crap, I remember reading that back in the day - nearly choked on my Coke, typical Brian.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bossaroo on June 30, 2010, 12:13:58 AM
there's an early take of "Back Home" on my copy of 'Landylocked'

sounds like a mid-60s production and vocal from Brian. when exactly was it recorded???
also, is there a better version of this take? mine sounds pretty bad.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 30, 2010, 12:33:17 AM
According to this site - http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs63.html (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs63.html) - June 14th 1963, at Gold Star: at the same session the track for "Run Around Lover" was recorded (and labelled as "Black Wednesday"). That's as good as it gets, sadly - the original master tape is heat damaged.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bossaroo on June 30, 2010, 01:22:40 AM
thanks for the reply...
somehow knowing it's heat damage to the tape and not digital glitches makes it more listenable... not sure why.

Brian and Mike really had a similar vocal sound back in the day. There's parts here that sound just like Mike to me.

and why'd Bri get rid of the bridge when they recast this tune for '15 Big Ones'?
Well I'll miss bein' here with ya'all, but I won't regret it
I'll be workin' with Paw til we hear that "Come and get it!"


love it!





Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on June 30, 2010, 09:31:43 AM
For what it's worth, the 1963 Back Home also goes around from an acetate dub, which is considerably clearer than the tape source with only a few clicks and pops.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on June 30, 2010, 09:39:31 AM
I actually dreamed last night that BriMel had adopted another child.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on June 30, 2010, 01:03:35 PM
I don't think that was a dream....


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wrightfan on June 30, 2010, 01:23:52 PM
I actually dreamed last night that BriMel had adopted another child.

I dreamed a week ago a light fell on Al Jardine while he was performing with Brian and Brian was curled up around his immobile carcass crying

I win.  :P


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on June 30, 2010, 01:52:27 PM
How did the loins of someone as nasty as Murry Wilson produce three of the most beautiful voices in history?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 30, 2010, 06:42:12 PM
I had a dream a couple days ago that Al finally finished and released his album A Postcard From Chinesedemocracy. It was fucking crazy, to say the least.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 30, 2010, 11:06:22 PM
I had a dream a couple days ago that Al finally finished and released his album A Postcard From Chinesedemocracy. It was friggin' crazy, to say the least.

Never gonna happen...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2010, 07:03:51 PM
What are the words being sung right before "Thank you for the sweet inspiration/that you for the love that I found" in Wild Situation? It sounds to me like either "My Lord", "Oh no", or "Oh Lord". Or possible "My no/know", but this makes no sense at all. I know it's a weird question, but it's been bugging the hell out of me.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: mtaber on July 01, 2010, 07:20:27 PM
TWICE a day, EVERY day????  With who???


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on July 01, 2010, 08:36:23 PM
I had a dream a couple days ago that Al finally finished and released his album A Postcard From Chinesedemocracy. It was friggin' crazy, to say the least.

It'll have Al duetting with Kim Jong-Il on a remake of Barbara Ann, entitled Bomb Shanghai. These are the lyrics.

Bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Shanghai!
Bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Shanghai!
Bomb Shanghai
Out of the sky
Bomb Shanghai
You got me rockin' and a-rollin'
Now we're gonna go and just bomb Shanghai, bomb, bomb Shanghai!




Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 02, 2010, 12:24:19 AM
TWICE a day, EVERY day????  With who???

That's what we all said.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 02, 2010, 12:25:21 AM
What are the words being sung right before "Thank you for the sweet inspiration/that you for the love that I found" in Wild Situation? It sounds to me like either "My Lord", "Oh no", or "Oh Lord". Or possible "My no/know", but this makes no sense at all. I know it's a weird question, but it's been bugging the hell out of me.  ;D

My Lord.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 02, 2010, 02:53:16 AM
TWICE a day, EVERY day????  With who???

Rosie Palm, perhaps...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: mtaber on July 02, 2010, 04:41:26 AM
Unreleased Smile out-take... "The Old Master-Bater"...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on July 02, 2010, 09:08:42 PM
Unreleased Smile out-take... "The Old Master-Bater"...
You just made me spill Mountain Dew out of my nose.  :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on July 03, 2010, 09:45:27 PM
Somebody here once mentioned the existence of an amateur recording of The Beach Boys rehearsing "California Feelin" on a tour bus, I believe. What's the story on this? When was it made? I assume it hasn't been booted, because I've never heard or seen anything about it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 03, 2010, 10:58:43 PM
What the hell does Carl growl half-way through "Palisades Park"? It sounds like "Oh yeah, it's cookin' so bad I can't stand [it]!" but it's just inaudible enough that I'm not sure.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on July 03, 2010, 11:21:53 PM
How many licks does it take for Brian Wilson to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

How many snorts does it take for Brian Wilson to get through a gram of coke?

How many birthday cakes does it take to make Brian Wilson weigh over 300 pounds?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 03, 2010, 11:40:29 PM
The answers to all 3 questions are probably the same... :D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on July 05, 2010, 09:21:12 PM
Is it true that Lady Lynda was used for a commercial on U.K. TV in the 1980's? Somebody made a comment on YouTube about it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 06, 2010, 12:34:44 AM
Is it true that Lady Lynda was used for a commercial on U.K. TV in the 1980's? Somebody made a comment on YouTube about it.

Don't recall that... but "When Girls Get Together" was, for some kind of drink.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Eric Aniversario on July 06, 2010, 01:06:15 AM
What the hell does Carl growl half-way through "Palisades Park"? It sounds like "Oh yeah, it's cookin' so bad I can't stand [it]!" but it's just inaudible enough that I'm not sure.
I don't think that's Carl, but I've always understood it as what you wrote.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on July 06, 2010, 02:36:31 AM
Is it true that Lady Lynda was used for a commercial on U.K. TV in the 1980's? Somebody made a comment on YouTube about it.

Don't recall that... but "When Girls Get Together" was, for some kind of drink.

Yep, I have that recording on tape somewhere. I could check which drink that was.


EDIT:  found it, it was for a cocktail-drink called "Milty".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on July 06, 2010, 08:07:16 PM
Is it true that Lady Lynda was used for a commercial on U.K. TV in the 1980's? Somebody made a comment on YouTube about it.

Don't recall that... but "When Girls Get Together" was, for some kind of drink.
Somebody must have actually liked the song enough to put it on a commercial on TV. That's a scary thought.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on July 07, 2010, 05:15:40 PM
So, what's the story about the Wilson/Paley sessions? I'm not as well-versed as I should be.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 07, 2010, 11:31:35 PM
Readers Digest version: the day the conservatorship case with Landy was settled in late 1991, Brian called Paley and said something like "I'm free, come on over, we'll start making some real music". The sessions lasted about two, three years and were mostly recorded at Your Place Or Mine (Mark's studio), then they kinda petered out after the Don Was documentary. I think it's no big secret that Melinda is not a big Paley fan.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 08, 2010, 12:49:41 AM
Here's something I've always wondered...what went down with Brian's pre-Melinda conservator, Jerome Billet? I know next to nothing about this period in Brian's life..,


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on July 08, 2010, 01:57:08 AM
Readers Digest version: the day the conservatorship case with Landy was settled in late 1991, Brian called Paley and said something like "I'm free, come on over, we'll start making some real music". The sessions lasted about two, three years and were mostly recorded at Your Place Or Mine (Mark's studio), then they kinda petered out after the Don Was documentary. I think it's no big secret that Melinda is not a big Paley fan.

>: (

And then she went and hooked him up with Joe Thomas???


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 08, 2010, 03:56:26 AM
Here's something I've always wondered...what went down with Brian's pre-Melinda conservator, Jerome Billet? I know next to nothing about this period in Brian's life..,

Billet was appointed Brian's conservator immediately post-Landy. Brian (or more accurately, someone acting on Brian's behalf) filed a suit against Billet on September 19th 1995, claiming "negligence and breach of fiduciary duty" in which he was described as a "former conservator".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 08, 2010, 08:12:52 AM
March 9, 1992 to June 22, 1995.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ag4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=jerome+billet+brian+wilson+lawsuit&source=bl&ots=2YHnTdUlSZ&sig=YjCpFezCONInkARJP5A5YUXKpgY&hl=en&ei=Reo1TMjQFIKB8gbGy9SDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=jerome%20billet%20brian%20wilson%20lawsuit&f=false

The suit was just the last shoe to drop in the extensive wrangling over the Irving-Almo case, then Mike's followup lawsuit. I would be very surprised if Billet wasn't the driving force behind Brian's representation in the latter case, which was, everyone agreed, horrible.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on July 08, 2010, 03:18:13 PM
Readers Digest version: the day the conservatorship case with Landy was settled in late 1991, Brian called Paley and said something like "I'm free, come on over, we'll start making some real music". The sessions lasted about two, three years and were mostly recorded at Your Place Or Mine (Mark's studio), then they kinda petered out after the Don Was documentary. I think it's no big secret that Melinda is not a big Paley fan.
So some of the songs ended up on GIOMH, but a bunch of them have gone unreleased, right?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 08, 2010, 06:04:27 PM
Yes. GIOMH as featured on the album is a Thomas-era re-recording of the Paley song with an 03-04 vocal on top. Soul Searchin and Saturday Morning in the City are both (regardless of what people said at the time) the 94ish Paley sessions tracks with some new vocals. Desert Drive is an 03-04 02 re-recording of a Paley track (but with Paley playing and singing on it). On 98's Imagination, Where Has Love Been has a Paley credit as well; there's no mid-90s version known.

Four other songs have come out in various forms. This Song Wants to Sleep With You Tonight was released as a single B-side in 95 and In My Moondreams was on a compilation around that time too. Cover versions This Could Be the Night and Sweets for My Sweets were also cut at the time and were put on tribute albums.

So, broadly speaking, nine tunes from the sessions have come out in some form or another. Of those, six have more or less the original tracks, and three are remakes.

But. There are easily another 10-12 quality tracks from the sessions (and a handful of others in rougher, demo form) that haven't been released officially. These include another song the Beach Boys cut vocals for: You're Still a Mystery, and bona fide classics like Some Sweet Day, It's Not Easy Being Me and Chain Reaction of Love. Good stuff.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on July 08, 2010, 06:44:46 PM
Desert Drive is an 03-04 re-recording of a Paley track (but with Paley playing and singing on it).
A minor point but it's a 2002 recording, and the only track on the album in which Mr. Sahanaja is present. Paley was out of the picture by 2003.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2010, 12:49:54 AM
Desert Drive is an 03-04 re-recording of a Paley track (but with Paley playing and singing on it).
A minor point but it's a 2002 recording, and the only track on the album in which Mr. Sahanaja is present. Paley was out of the picture by 2003.

True, dat - there was an abortive attempt to record a new album in fall 2002 at Western: "DD" is a refugee from those sessions. "GIOMH" was largely recorded in 1998 just after the Imagination sessions.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 09, 2010, 02:18:20 AM
...and How Can We Still be Dancing was an Imagination outtake, correct?

What else was recorded in 2002?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2010, 02:49:20 AM
...and How Can We Still be Dancing was an Imagination outtake, correct?

What else was recorded in 2002?

Just three songs recorded fall 2002, and "DD" is the only one I know by name. "HCWSBD" was first recorded 1998, but I think the released version is completely new. For them as is really interested in GIOMH, the known session dates are:

2002:
fall - Desert Drive/two other titles [Western]

2003:
March
17 - A Friend Like You/How Can We Still be Dancing [Your Place Or Mine]
18 - City Blues/A Friend Like You/How Can We Still be Dancing [Your Place Or Mine]
19 - Don't Let Her Know She's An Angel/City Blues/Soul Searchin' [Your Place Or Mine]

April   
18 - A Friend Like You [Your Place Or Mine]

May   
23 - City Blues (Clapton's guitar solo) [Olympic, London, England]

July   
29 - A Friend Like You/How Can We Still Be Dancing [Your Place Or Mine]

August   
15 - Soul Searchin'/A Friend Like You [Your Place Or Mine]

There's more BW solo session info here - http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigspost99.html (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigspost99.html)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on July 09, 2010, 09:02:45 AM
I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember that "You're Still a Mystery" was attempted at some point---either during the 2002 sessions or the GIOMH sessions themselves. Thank GOD that didn't get released!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 09, 2010, 09:55:50 AM
I remember that too. Was actually sequenced as the closing track, I think. They ended up wanting to end with The Waltz as a segue to Smile.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on July 09, 2010, 05:23:38 PM
I could easily be wrong but I seem to remember that "You're Still a Mystery" was attempted at some point---either during the 2002 sessions or the GIOMH sessions themselves. Thank GOD that didn't get released!

>: ( I like "You're Still a Mystery". Some of the lyrics are a little goofy and should be changed ("GOTTA FIND THE KEEEY NOW."), but otherwise I don't think it's too bad a song.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on July 09, 2010, 10:47:43 PM
There are hundreds of stories of "odd" behaviour from Brian Wilson when it comes to Beach Boys concerts. Anything from not showing up to a show, to being totally off the wall(Maryland 1977 for example). My question is, have their been any known cases of strange behaviour from Brian during his "comeback" and subsequent solo tours? The only thing I know of is the show with Al where he almost passed out and had to leave the stage.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on July 10, 2010, 01:21:01 AM
I'ts easily the best Paley/Wilson song.  I'm just glad it didn't get the GIOMH treatment.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 10, 2010, 09:55:47 AM
What are Brian's religious views?

I know he was raised Christian to some degree and attended church regularly (sang in its choir and the like), but I get the impression he only nominally Christian, if at all, and that he at least believes in some kind of god? I mean, I'm not expecting him to be a Spinozist or anything (although that'd be cool!), I'm just curious if it's ever been really discussed to any degree that a picture if his religious outlook (if any) can be explicated.

Something that gave me pause was the single-issue verse in "Love and Mercy" that he used during one broadcast, I think, and that was it: "I was praying to a god who just doesn't seem to hear / Oh, the blessings we need the most are what we all fear." (Clearly, Brian is my favourite philosopher!)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: the captain on July 10, 2010, 12:40:59 PM
I think there are threads on this, actually. But I believe Brian would fit into that ever-popular relatively modern phenomenon of "spiritual, not religious." It's tough to say, though, in that he has dropped comments over decades while of various mental and chemically induced capacities. Add to that the difficulty in discerning actual intention sometimes, in terms of literal speech v metaphor ("i.e., the devil is out to get me"; horned guy with a pitchfork, or you feel you have bad luck?), and it's just hard to say. I'd say he has pretty consistently said he has belief in some kind of supernatural power of good that you could consider to be a god. But if you wanted to get into a theological discussion with him on specific doctrine, my guess is that he'd ask whether it wouldn't be more fun to watch Norbit over a couple of birthday cakes.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 10, 2010, 01:27:14 PM
I believe Jeff is an evangelical Christian, so I'm sure he's talked to Brian about that side of things. But I don't think BW is showing up at a megachurch anytime soon.

"God did it" is an interesting unreleased track in this respect.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on July 10, 2010, 03:18:44 PM
I've read interviews from the '90s/'00s with Brian wherein he states that music is the essence of God, or the presence of God, or perhaps IS God. He also has stated, essentially, that he believes (at least he has at some moments in his life) that Phil Spector is a manifestation of God. In the interview where Brian says that about Spector, his handler gets nervous and asks the interviewer to stop asking questions about Spector. Interesting stuff.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 10, 2010, 10:26:13 PM
I believe Jeff is an evangelical Christian, so I'm sure he's talked to Brian about that side of things. But I don't think BW is showing up at a megachurch anytime soon.

"God did it" is an interesting unreleased track in this respect.

Jeff?

as in the Foskett variety?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 10, 2010, 11:11:28 PM
Yep.

http://www.worldmag.com/articles/10225


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2010, 02:48:49 AM
What are Brian's religious views?

I know he was raised Christian to some degree and attended church regularly (sang in its choir and the like), but I get the impression he only nominally Christian, if at all, and that he at least believes in some kind of god? I mean, I'm not expecting him to be a Spinozist or anything (although that'd be cool!), I'm just curious if it's ever been really discussed to any degree that a picture if his religious outlook (if any) can be explicated.

Something that gave me pause was the single-issue verse in "Love and Mercy" that he used during one broadcast, I think, and that was it: "I was praying to a god who just doesn't seem to hear / Oh, the blessings we need the most are what we all fear." (Clearly, Brian is my favourite philosopher!)

Brian attended Mesa Presbyterian Church.

That deleted verse in "L&M" was penned by Landy... and which single have you heard it on ? I've only ever heard performed live.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 11, 2010, 07:43:06 AM
What are Brian's religious views?

I know he was raised Christian to some degree and attended church regularly (sang in its choir and the like), but I get the impression he only nominally Christian, if at all, and that he at least believes in some kind of god? I mean, I'm not expecting him to be a Spinozist or anything (although that'd be cool!), I'm just curious if it's ever been really discussed to any degree that a picture if his religious outlook (if any) can be explicated.

Something that gave me pause was the single-issue verse in "Love and Mercy" that he used during one broadcast, I think, and that was it: "I was praying to a god who just doesn't seem to hear / Oh, the blessings we need the most are what we all fear." (Clearly, Brian is my favourite philosopher!)

Brian attended Mesa Presbyterian Church.

That deleted verse in "L&M" was penned by Landy... and which single have you heard it on ? I've only ever heard performed live.

I should have guessed that it would be Landy, I suppose!

I meant 'single-issue' as in 'used once' rather than 'issued as a single', sorry.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on July 11, 2010, 09:15:21 AM
So, if they made the Smile Box Set everybody's been talking about, what would it contain that we don't already have on bootlegs?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 13, 2010, 06:21:05 PM
I've always wondered about the title: Terri, She needs me...I always thought someone missheard Sheri She Needs me from the Brian vocal in 76-77-78, whichever...but now I read on AGD's site that Terri was written or recorded around 88, was this for the BW solo album? using the old backing track or new one?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on July 13, 2010, 11:08:12 PM
Another dumb question... is Brian a shapeshifter? I mean seriously, how did he manage to repeatedly look like a different person throughout his life? Sure, there are similarities that you can see throughout the decades, but I have difficulty reconciling in my mind 60s Brian (hell, even 62-63 Brian vs. 66-67 Brian is somewhat dramatic) with mid-late 70s Brian, late 80s Brian, and then late 90s-2000s Brian. It's almost like an anomaly, I swear. Very strange.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 14, 2010, 10:22:38 AM
I've always thought the same thing, just never knew how to ask it.  :3d


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on July 14, 2010, 10:51:01 AM
There's this incredible photo used in the BWPS doc where 66-67 Brian looks like his old self - it's one where he's playing a mellotron or something wearing red tinted glasses.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 14, 2010, 10:58:30 AM
Know the one you mean - it's the one with the dolls still in their display rack behind him. There's a B&W print in Leaf's book.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 14, 2010, 11:08:58 AM
It's all about the hairstyle and beards.

Here's an exception that proves the point. Brian talking about Pet Sounds in the mid-90s. For whatever reason, he's decided to style his hair like it was in the 1960s, and wear a striped shirt (!). You can see it's the same guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAEt3IKnZWY


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on July 14, 2010, 12:35:43 PM
So, if they made the Smile Box Set everybody's been talking about, what would it contain that we don't already have on bootlegs?
Anyone?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wrightfan on July 14, 2010, 12:51:38 PM
So, if they made the Smile Box Set everybody's been talking about, what would it contain that we don't already have on bootlegs?
Anyone?

It would have better quality tracks of certain songs for one thing I believe. There's also stuff we've never heard before, maybe that'll mysteriously surface  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on July 14, 2010, 12:56:45 PM
It's all about the hairstyle and beards.

Here's an exception that proves the point. Brian talking about Pet Sounds in the mid-90s. For whatever reason, he's decided to style his hair like it was in the 1960s, and wear a striped shirt (!). You can see it's the same guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAEt3IKnZWY
The History of Rock and Roll, 1993 or 94. Also contains the infamous sequence where Brian gets Alan to hold his nose to imitate Mike. Great doc.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 14, 2010, 12:58:06 PM
[If this deserves its own thread, do say so!]

I was watching this amusing YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCvOiwUMNW8&feature=related), which details the various songs that Brian has (at least) inserted the "Shortenin' Bread" bass riff into, and it got me a-wonderin' about other examples of this sort of musical recycling. I guess I'm not especially good at this sort of auditory guesswork because I've only noticed it before in the 'dit-dit-dit' melody bits of "All Dressed Up for School" > "Games Two Can Play" > "Marcella" [and, at that, only especially in the first two]. Any other neat examples would be instructive and fun too! :)



Additionally, how did Brian come to know "Sloop John B", was it actually through Al? I ask because on the recent (like, last year or two, I think) In the Garage SOT boot there was a disc of early home rehearsals with the Wilson family where "Sloop John B" was featured (Audre was singing lead, if I recall correctly; I no longer have the boot). Putting aside whether the song is even a genuine folk song, did he just learn it from his parents and eventually Al brought it up as a possible single independently, or was Al at this family musical gathering as well and brought up working on that song in particularly as he remembered (ostensibly) liking singing it already? It obviously doesn't matter much, but I am, after all, still an obsessive enough Beach Boys fan (and a burgeoning folk enthusiast) to not only post on a BBs/BW fan forum... but to care about and be interested in such questions as well!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 14, 2010, 01:12:17 PM
Alan suggested it to Brian circa 1965, Brian did his arrangement, yadda yadda yadda and last I heard, Alan was still bitching that he never got credit for 'inspiring' Brian to record it. Y'know, I try but sometimes it's hard to warm to the guy.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 14, 2010, 01:19:37 PM
That is precious. Does Al think the music industry still works, with respect to songwriting credits and publications, as if it were the early 20th century? Well, I suppose if he is the token "folkie" of the group it would not be so strange.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on July 14, 2010, 01:21:19 PM
How many Beach Boys vocals that are double-tracked come in single-track versions, and where could I find them?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on July 14, 2010, 01:31:10 PM
Look on the SOTs. For pretty much every track that has this - (1st vocal overdub) - next to the track name, it means you have the master take vocal but only the first overdub.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on July 14, 2010, 02:37:41 PM
Alan suggested it to Brian circa 1965, Brian did his arrangement, yadda yadda yadda and last I heard, Alan was still bitching that he never got credit for 'inspiring' Brian to record it. Y'know, I try but sometimes it's hard to warm to the guy.
cough-Rachael & The Revolvers 45-cough. ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 14, 2010, 11:11:21 PM
Alan suggested it to Brian circa 1965, Brian did his arrangement, yadda yadda yadda and last I heard, Alan was still bitching that he never got credit for 'inspiring' Brian to record it. Y'know, I try but sometimes it's hard to warm to the guy.
cough-Rachael & The Revolvers 45-cough. ;D

That too.  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 15, 2010, 10:24:49 AM
A few different points to earlier questions ...

Quote
I've always wondered about the title: Terri, She needs me...I always thought someone missheard Sheri She Needs me from the Brian vocal in 76-77-78, whichever...but now I read on AGD's site that Terri was written or recorded around 88, was this for the BW solo album? using the old backing track or new one?

Given that the original song, Sherri, was co-written with Russ Titelman in the 60s and that Titelman was a co-producer on BW88, it only makes sense that they resurrected the tune in '87. (http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/gigs87.html). I have always assumed they cut a new track, just because there's no way the 60s instrumentation would fit on what they were doing for the 88 album.

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...and How Can We Still be Dancing was an Imagination outtake, correct?

Brian always talked about the song as being meant for a follow-up album, which Brian and Joe apparently started work on in 98-99, before the touring kicked in. The released track for GIOMH itself comes from those sessions, if I'm not mistaken. As AGD said, they seem to have recut HCWSBD.

Quote
I was watching this amusing YouTube video, which details the various songs that Brian has (at least) inserted the "Shortenin' Bread" bass riff into, and it got me a-wonderin' about other examples of this sort of musical recycling. I guess I'm not especially good at this sort of auditory guesswork because I've only noticed it before in the 'dit-dit-dit' melody bits of "All Dressed Up for School" > "Games Two Can Play" > "Marcella" [and, at that, only especially in the first two]. Any other neat examples would be instructive and fun too! Smiley

There are books that could be written about this. Brian never forgets a good riff (or song). If we restrict ourselves to riffs, rather than melodies, one that comes to mind is the "ah-oom bop-did-it" from "This Whole World" which later popped up on the Paley sessions tune "God Did It" as the melody behind the title line, and then at the end of "Your Imagination." Likewise, the little "bop didit, bop didit" that Brian used to accompany his late 90s version of "Joy to the World" shows up as a flute figure in the remake of "Don't Let Her Know She's an Angel" on GIOMH. And many, many others.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 16, 2010, 06:05:02 PM
Have a question of my own -- the TLOS narration tracks. Is there any indication Brian actually composed music for those? My assumption was always that Scott and Darian just took some riffs from the songs and arranged them as backing. But all of them are credited Wilson / Parks -- not that that means anything, of course.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 17, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
A few different points to earlier questions ...

Quote
I've always wondered about the title: Terri, She needs me...I always thought someone missheard Sheri She Needs me from the Brian vocal in 76-77-78, whichever...but now I read on AGD's site that Terri was written or recorded around 88, was this for the BW solo album? using the old backing track or new one?

Given that the original song, Sherri, was co-written with Russ Titelman in the 60s and that Titelman was a co-producer on BW88, it only makes sense that they resurrected the tune in '87. (http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/gigs87.html). I have always assumed they cut a new track, just because there's no way the 60s instrumentation would fit on what they were doing for the 88 album.


Quote
...and How Can We Still be Dancing was an Imagination outtake, correct?

Brian always talked about the song as being meant for a follow-up album, which Brian and Joe apparently started work on in 98-99, before the touring kicked in. The released track for GIOMH itself comes from those sessions, if I'm not mistaken. As AGD said, they seem to have recut HCWSBD.

Quote
I was watching this amusing YouTube video, which details the various songs that Brian has (at least) inserted the "Shortenin' Bread" bass riff into, and it got me a-wonderin' about other examples of this sort of musical recycling. I guess I'm not especially good at this sort of auditory guesswork because I've only noticed it before in the 'dit-dit-dit' melody bits of "All Dressed Up for School" > "Games Two Can Play" > "Marcella" [and, at that, only especially in the first two]. Any other neat examples would be instructive and fun too! Smiley

There are books that could be written about this. Brian never forgets a good riff (or song). If we restrict ourselves to riffs, rather than melodies, one that comes to mind is the "ah-oom bop-did-it" from "This Whole World" which later popped up on the Paley sessions tune "God Did It" as the melody behind the title line, and then at the end of "Your Imagination." Likewise, the little "bop didit, bop didit" that Brian used to accompany his late 90s version of "Joy to the World" shows up as a flute figure in the remake of "Don't Let Her Know She's an Angel" on GIOMH. And many, many others.

good call my friend


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on July 18, 2010, 06:55:34 PM
Quote
Alan suggested it to Brian circa 1965, Brian did his arrangement, yadda yadda yadda and last I heard, Alan was still bitching that he never got credit for 'inspiring' Brian to record it. Y'know, I try but sometimes it's hard to warm to the guy.

Well, Al claims that when he first suggested it, Brian said he wasn't interested because he thought the Kingston Trio's music was too simple. So, Al's story goes that he added a chord to the song, or changed how the chords were played around a little, which Brian then recorded. Comparing the two versions, I've found, is tricky. I can't find the original version of the Kingston Trio's "Sloop John B" for free on the web, and I don't feel like paying for it, but from what I can tell from the version I've heard the Kingston Trio do (and some chord pages, which you can't always trust), the Kingston Trio don't always make the chord change to A minor that Beach Boys do. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. It's weird.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on July 18, 2010, 08:31:51 PM
Don't forget that Sloop John B is also among the songs on the "garage tapes", and that was way back in 1960. So obviously Brian had to have heard it long before Al Jardine came into the picture.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 18, 2010, 09:27:34 PM
Don't forget that Sloop John B is also among the songs on the "garage tapes", and that was way back in 1960. So obviously Brian had to have heard it long before Al Jardine came into the picture.

Yeah, this is what I was referring to when I asked my question originally, and why I was wondering if the common narrative of "Al suggested it" meant more 'suggest to record' than 'introduced Brian to the song and also convinced him to record it'. It seems to me that it could be taken both ways and that perhaps Al had wanted it to be seen more as the latter than the former sort of suggestion for whatever (financial, personal prestige) reason(s)...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: filledeplage on July 19, 2010, 08:05:17 AM
First, because the thread is "Locked" I just read John's Definitive Vocals thread...exquisite work...Thanks, I will be really listening...

Second, I would like to "gently suggest" that I don't get how someone wants to "get credit"  for "suggesting" that a composer "work" on arranging a song.  The "actual work" is what merits credit not the suggestion that  a composer take it on as a project. 

Now, if it had been a "collaborative effort" that is a different story, and it seems over time, that people that did "active work" (not "suggestions" for arranged adaptations) and for whom real compositional credit was not awarded.  If you do "actual work" you should get "actual credit." Your notes, tapes, revisions all support your effort and contributions.  It is the concept of writing down, memorializing, or taping to "memorialize" your work to prove what you did should be credited.  It is tangible.

An exception might be where you work for someone as their employee, and "your" work becomes "their" intellectual property, such as a scientist working for a chemical company.  The work can either be shared by the two or owned by the company outright and by "arrangement" (no pun intended.)  You would be using their laboratory and work space, so it is a different scenario.     

There seems to be a disconnect as between "bringing something to the table of merit" and actually sitting with a pencil on sheet music at a piano or other keyboard, and studiously working through measures or working by yourself and later working out "jointly" details for a common "work." 

Maybe I did not understand the discussion of who deserved what credit.

As a general rule, "inspiration" (intangible) gets your name on the stern of a boat ;  the "actual work" (tangible) gets your name on the "check in the mail."  ;)     


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on July 20, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Have a question of my own -- the TLOS narration tracks. Is there any indication Brian actually composed music for those? My assumption was always that Scott and Darian just took some riffs from the songs and arranged them as backing. But all of them are credited Wilson / Parks -- not that that means anything, of course.

For what it's worth, the TLOS documentary shows Brian demonstrating to Darian how he wants the piano part to be played on "Between Pictures" (I believe). Now, it could have been staged to look like Brian cared...or it could be that Brian did write it specifically as a connecting track...or the Darian came up with it, but producer Brian wanted it played a certain way. Take your pick!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on July 20, 2010, 05:57:57 PM
I keep hearing the word "Bloo" thrown around. What does it mean? I guess I'm not well-versed.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jonas on July 20, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
Blueboard, the official brian wilson messageboard

aka the worst laid out msg board ever: http://www.brianwilson.com/community/index.html


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: BJL on July 20, 2010, 06:30:15 PM
I could have sworn I read somewhere that Sloop John B was in their live set in the early 60s, but I can't remember where, so I don't know...  I always assumed in that iteration they would have been going off the Dick Dale arrangement from his first record.

I think what Al is talking about when he says he suggested the song to Brian is that he convinced Brian to re-record this old song they knew from way back when in the Beach Boys more modern style, and release it as a single, which in 1965 or whenever this conversation was happening, deciding what the next single would be was probably a big deal, and probably a decision that Brian usually pretty much made on his own.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on July 20, 2010, 06:32:17 PM
Blueboard, the official brian wilson messageboard

aka the worst laid out msg board ever: http://www.brianwilson.com/community/index.html
Whoa. You're right.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 20, 2010, 07:30:18 PM
Blueboard, the official brian wilson messageboard

aka the worst laid out msg board ever: http://www.brianwilson.com/community/index.html

awww, I remember being apart of that board...and pissing off Brian when I asked about SOTs (so innocent at the time, I had no idea they were boots)...he replied and asked me not to discuss that there.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 20, 2010, 07:41:59 PM
Is it actually Brian who posts on his board -- or updates his Twitter or Facebook, for that matter? I am extremely skeptical, but I guess I could be surprided. :lol

Why is he (his handlers?) so vehemently anti-bootleg anyway? I mean, besides the obvious "we want money" thing... or is that all there is to it? The SOT discs are a phenomenal resource and it's not as if they're not discussed in published books by various folks on the BBs.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 21, 2010, 12:18:19 AM
I wonder how Brian reacted when he realized his band all owned bootlegs! :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 21, 2010, 08:50:28 AM
Because bootlegs, like it or not, are traditionally produced through theft of intellectual property. They are stolen material, published to make money for people who aren't the creators.

It's pretty simple. (I'm not saying there aren't amazing things to listen to, just that the morality behind them is dubious, and as someone who makes a living from recorded music, Brian -- or the people responding for him -- have a pretty clear-cut case in refusing to grant them their imprimatur.) This is the classic bootleg model I'm talking about here -- file swapping has changed both the morality of the equation and the material available.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 21, 2010, 09:07:06 AM
Because bootlegs, like it or not, are traditionally produced through theft of intellectual property. They are stolen material, published to make money for people who aren't the creators.

It's pretty simple. (I'm not saying there aren't amazing things to listen to, just that the morality behind them is dubious, and as someone who makes a living from recorded music, Brian -- or the people responding for him -- have a pretty clear-cut case in refusing to grant them their imprimatur.) This is the classic bootleg model I'm talking about here -- file swapping has changed both the morality of the equation and the material available.

Yeah, this part is understandable enough. I actually dislike "traditional" bootlegs myself as well because of that same reason. I am perfectly okay with trading and file-sharing bootlegs though, especially for material that would otherwise never see the light of an official release... but I guess at that point they're not the same sort of boots (e.g. Purple Chick stuff, the Get The Boot volumes, and so on). At the same time, however, I am sort of in line with the Folkways method of music distribution: if a major label won't do it, someone should put it out because music deserves to be heard. The Anthology of American Folk Music, compiled by Harry Smith, for instance, was of dubious legality, considering it was sourced from old 78s recorded by Victor and Paramount and whatnot -- who were, you might say, less than happy about the box set from which they saw no royalties. But they never re-released any of the music they ostensibly owned themselves so...

Suffice to say, I am conflicted. I say this as someone who very much likes music but does not make it, and definitely not for a living. Perhaps I'd feel differently if I did, of course.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on July 21, 2010, 09:37:40 AM
Blueboard, the official brian wilson messageboard

aka the worst laid out msg board ever: http://www.brianwilson.com/community/index.html

The lay out is the main reason I never bother going on the bloo, the threads are really hard to follow and you have to wonder why a more suitable message board isn't used.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 21, 2010, 09:55:28 AM
Is it actually Brian who posts on his board -- or updates his Twitter or Facebook, for that matter? I am extremely skeptical, but I guess I could be surprided. :lol

No: Brian explained in an online interview ten years ago that he isn't at all computer savvy and that Melinda does the typing for him. She selects post for him to respond to, then types said replies. Of course, the Bloo being the Bloo - and here I'm proud to admit that said appellation is wholly down to me ! - there are posters who still maintain that Brian does his own posts. The twitters are Jeff and the Facebook page is run by Bloo admin Michael deMartin, and is the only official FB BW page (the FB page Brian Wilson's Blueboarders was set up by the loathsome Bluebird and, I admit, quite cleverly gave the impression that it was endorsed by Brian).


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 21, 2010, 10:29:15 AM
Is it actually Brian who posts on his board -- or updates his Twitter or Facebook, for that matter? I am extremely skeptical, but I guess I could be surprided. :lol

No: Brian explained in an online interview ten years ago that he isn't at all computer savvy and that Melinda does the typing for him. She selects post for him to respond to, then types said replies. Of course, the Bloo being the Bloo - and here I'm proud to admit that said appellation is wholly down to me ! - there are posters who still maintain that Brian does his own posts. The twitters are Jeff and the Facebook page is run by Bloo admin Michael deMartin, and is the only official FB BW page (the FB page Brian Wilson's Blueboarders was set up by the loathsome Bluebird and, I admit, quite cleverly gave the impression that it was endorsed by Brian).

Well, at least they're his responses in spirit despite not being so in letter too? Nothing new about that kinda setup though anyway, so it shouldn't be at all surprising to anyone that this is the case, I'd think.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 21, 2010, 10:31:39 AM
My favorite were the responses by Melinda that were later taken down ... I recall they predicted stuff that later came to pass, but they were supposedly hacked.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: GLarson432 on July 21, 2010, 11:13:43 AM
I'm proud to say that I haven't looked at/visited the Bloo, not even once, since a week after the Landmark Dedication on 5/20/05.  What a piece of junk!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on July 21, 2010, 11:42:39 AM
Are there more BW piano demos like the 'Don't Talk' one on the Pet Sounds box in the vaults?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 21, 2010, 11:48:44 AM
My favorite were the responses by Melinda that were later taken down ... I recall they predicted stuff that later came to pass, but they were supposedly hacked.

Oh really? Like what?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: grillo on July 21, 2010, 03:57:12 PM
Because bootlegs, like it or not, are traditionally produced through theft of intellectual property. They are stolen material, published to make money for people who aren't the creators.

It's pretty simple. (I'm not saying there aren't amazing things to listen to, just that the morality behind them is dubious, and as someone who makes a living from recorded music, Brian -- or the people responding for him -- have a pretty clear-cut case in refusing to grant them their imprimatur.) This is the classic bootleg model I'm talking about here -- file swapping has changed both the morality of the equation and the material available.
here's a website that I often refer folks to who are conflicted about so-called intellectual copyrights.
Enjoy!http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php (http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 21, 2010, 04:33:45 PM
I've no interest in debating the way the world should be, which is what the website you mentioned spends a lot of time on. I'm talking about the way it is, and what the law is now.

The question was why Brian Wilson doesn't want to discuss boots on his board. The answer, as I said, is that under current applicable law (not the law we wish we had), commercially produced and sold bootlegs are a form of theft of what he has created and has the right to sell -- or not -- if he chooses.

Now, one may argue that the wrong done to Brian Wilson through purchasing such an item is outweighed by the good of having such music heard by a wider audience. Which may be true. But that does not change the underlying issue for Brian and his org.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: grillo on July 21, 2010, 08:24:12 PM
I've no interest in debating the way the world should be, which is what the website you mentioned spends a lot of time on.
Well, IF anyone is interested they may like that site and he/she might gain new perspective on the issue as it applies to them (as an artist or a consumer), which is kinda relevant.
So, is it Bootlegs themselves that BW doesn't like to talk about, or is it anything to do with his unreleased back catalog?
Like, if you mention Sherry She Needs Me to him, would he flip or what? Just curious.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: 18thofMay on July 21, 2010, 09:56:09 PM
Was Brian ever invited to Bohemian Grove?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_grove


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 21, 2010, 11:32:38 PM
The question was why Brian Wilson doesn't want to discuss boots on his board. The answer, as I said, is that under current applicable law (not the law we wish we had), commercially produced and sold bootlegs are a form of theft of what he has created and has the right to sell -- or not -- if he chooses.

That was one reason stated - another was that he didn't like people listening to material he didn't think was worth releasing, or incomplete.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 22, 2010, 01:24:44 AM
Still, I wonder how he reacted when he first found out his bandmates had bootlegs.

Here's the funny thing...not talking about legality or nothing, but there's a good segment of fans who became fans primarily off of what they heard off of bootlegs, and not just talking about Smile either.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 22, 2010, 02:30:18 AM
Someone needs to remind Brian & his people: no boots, no BWPS.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 22, 2010, 05:14:13 AM
Still, I wonder how he reacted when he first found out his bandmates had bootlegs.

Here's the funny thing...not talking about legality or nothing, but there's a good segment of fans who became fans primarily off of what they heard off of bootlegs, and not just talking about Smile either.

Really? what other material?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: John Manning on July 22, 2010, 05:21:19 AM
Someone needs to remind Brian & his people: no boots, no BWPS.
And given what came before BWPS, no current star in ascendance either...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 22, 2010, 07:01:10 AM
The question was why Brian Wilson doesn't want to discuss boots on his board. The answer, as I said, is that under current applicable law (not the law we wish we had), commercially produced and sold bootlegs are a form of theft of what he has created and has the right to sell -- or not -- if he chooses.

That was one reason stated - another was that he didn't like people listening to material he didn't think was worth releasing, or incomplete.

I forget things like this, and how Brian probably takes them very seriously as he seems to be quite the perfectionist -- this is the guy, after all, who left "Let Him Run Wild" off the GV box set because he didn't like his leads!

I want to go to another concert of his and try to get him to play "Rollin' Up to Heaven" :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: John Manning on July 22, 2010, 07:26:48 AM
I want to go to another concert of his and try to get him to play "Rollin' Up to Heaven" :lol

Aye, because Brian's concerts are full of loose jams and improvisations like that... by and large they just play whatever comes to them on a whim, or by request.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 24, 2010, 07:09:18 PM
What's the deal with the "Fig Plucker" and "Oh Yeah!" session excerpts (?) from the Goodbye Surfing, Hello God! Vigotone box set?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on July 24, 2010, 07:15:45 PM
Actually, I'd argue the stuff released from Smile on BB records and the boxed set was enough to build the legend. The people most into the boots were some of those most likely to have been disappointed by BWPS.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on July 24, 2010, 07:28:02 PM
Well, the GV box set was what did it for me. I remember the day, about 12 or years ago, when I first heard the "hum be dum" part in the Good Vibrations session track. Man...talk about a revelation!  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on July 25, 2010, 06:38:29 AM
New question: Whilst skimming through the latest ESQ I saw that Cool Head, Warm Heart and Love Like In Fairytales are noted as being 'from the forthcoming album: Mike Love, Not War'. So, is Mike actually planning to release MLNW at last? Will he do an Al and offer it via i-tunes? Will anyone care?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on July 25, 2010, 10:11:57 AM
Another cutesy question:

I was listening to one of the SOT tapes for the Today! sessions and I was reminded that Mike Love had attempted to sing lead on "Please Let Me Wonder" complete with alternate lyrics! As I recall, Peter Ames Carlin (in Catch a Wave) suggested that the song was about Brian's worry that Marilyn was cheating on him. This surprised me because the lyrics in the released version did not seem to denote that so obviously. The alternate (original?) lyrics, however, I think do present such a picture:
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Now here we are together
This would've been worth waiting forever
I always knew I'd feel this way

And please forgive my shaking
Can't you tell my heart is breaking
I'm so afraid of what you'll say

(Baby) Please let me wonder
(If I've been the one you love)
Please let me wonder
(If I'm who you're dreaming of)
Please let me wonder

I know this may be the wrong time
I've loved you such a long time
And just loving you won't make you stay

And somehow the truth doesn't matter
When I know my dreams could be shattered
So please don't say what you want to say

(Baby) Please let me wonder
(If I've been the one you love)
Please let me wnder
(If I'm who you're dreaming of)
Please let me wonder, love

Can anyone offer insights as to why the lyrics might have been changed? Unless, of course, it was purely a musical decision... though I can't help but feel the less-direct lyrics from the released version (and the change of perspective from what he thinks she is feeling to what he feels for her) is more an emotional decision than merely a musical one. Thoughts? Amateur psychologising? Ridicule?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on July 25, 2010, 06:06:53 PM
For one thing, the original lyrics don't fit well with the melody and beat of the song. There is either one word missing, or one word to many.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: the captain on July 25, 2010, 06:30:51 PM
For one thing, the original lyrics don't fit well with the melody and beat of the song. There is either one word missing, or one word to many.
You can change the rhythm of the words to accommodate that. Extend a syllable, split a note into two, etc. It's not too much or too little, it's just not what you're used to.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Chris Brown on July 25, 2010, 07:02:23 PM
For one thing, the original lyrics don't fit well with the melody and beat of the song. There is either one word missing, or one word to many.
You can change the rhythm of the words to accommodate that. Extend a syllable, split a note into two, etc. It's not too much or too little, it's just not what you're used to.

Yeah I don't imagine that would be much of a problem...maybe they just decided to go in a slightly different direction, and make the song more romantic sounding rather than a song about a cheating lover.  The original lyrics are (to me, anyways) markedly more depressing and negative than those in the final version.  Perhaps Brian figured that he already had "In The Back of My Mind" as the big "downer" on the record, so he didn't want another song with such negative lyrics. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on July 27, 2010, 10:17:23 AM
I have a question. I was speaking to a friend at work today who plays in a band. He told me that he did a gig at a wedding reception on the weekend and that when the food was served they were using old records as placemats for the plates! His just happend to be a vinyl called "The Best of The Beach Boys". He ahem borrowed the record and took it home after the gig. Now bear in mind he is not a big BB fan (despite being a MASSIVE fan of '60's music) he told me he only recognised one or two tracks on it. Here's the interesting part - he claims it has a longer slower version of Good Vibrations on it. From his description it sounds like the version from the twofer Smiley Smile/ Wild Honey CD, but it's on an old crackly vinyl called "Best of the Beach Boys"???  It doesn't have a cover so I have asked him to write down a tracklisting and any pressing serial details it may have to help solve the mystery. Does anyone have any idea just what this record could be?  Just a boot?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Alex on July 27, 2010, 10:55:43 AM
I believe Jeff is an evangelical Christian


Jeff as in Foskett, is a fundie(-mentalist)?  :o :o :o

Nevertheless, he's a great singer and musician.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 27, 2010, 01:56:10 PM
I have a question about all the songs that were recorded at one time and then released one by one on later albums (mostly the Sunflower outtakes  ::)) but also including uncut songs.

BEWARE, a lot of question ahead, some might just be real easy....but to answer those, it'll make you feel good to deliver your Beach Boys knowledge to another fan.

Before they released them on a legit album, did they redo or overdub anything else?

Like I've heard the early cut of Take a Load off Your Feet and it sounds slightly different than the released one on Surf's Up, what was added?

Now Susie Cincinnati is a different story as it was released in many different forms, but I feel the 15 Big Ones cut is inferior.

Now on Good Time, is there a synthesizer added to this song to make it fit in on the Love You album? I don't know, I could be totally wrong...I know vocals weren't added, but I wonder if Brian considered adding vocals.

On Come Go With Me, the whole track was entirely recut for the MIU album, right? the first cut was a Brian production, then the MIU album/single is an Al Jardine approach? But I feel the same does not apply to Peggy Sue, listening to Christmas Time is Here again, it sounds like they just took the sleigh bells off the track; kind of similar to Melekalikimaka and Kona Coast, though I'm just guessing...obviously different vocals. But I will admit, the track to Bells of Christmas/Paris sounds exactly alike. Also, I've read where My Diane dates back to 15 Big Ones, and I've heard an early cut of it, but what was does to the version to release it for MIU?

I've also heard an early version of Lady Lynda (MIU era?), did Al totally recut the song for LA?

and the same story for Santa Ana Winds on KTSA? totally recut?  Speaking of KTSA, was anything different about When Girls Get Together? I feel as though I've read where Brian's vocal is turned down on the album. And if Dennis plays drums for Endless Harmony, when was it recorded? was it the original track to 10 Years of Harmony?

And speaking of 10 Years of Harmony (the GH album), was anything done to Sea Cruise or was it just taken from 15 Big Ones era, nothing added?

Also, what did Al do to Loop De Loop to release the final/perfect cut on Endless Harmony?
Were any of the previously unreleased tunes on the Good Vibrations boxed Set or Endless Harmony worked on at all?

How many vocals were added onto Our Prayer for 20/20?

and why does the track to Sherri She Needs me (Brian's vocal from 76) sound so different from the Sandy track?

If Child of Winter was fixed to be on the Christmas album from the 70s, was anything added to the song from the single?

Also, the only version of Lady Liberty I have is on 45, so I can't exactly play it at the moment, but is it a completely different track?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 27, 2010, 02:38:16 PM
I have a question about all the songs that were recorded at one time and then released one by one on later albums (mostly the Sunflower outtakes  ::)) but also including uncut songs.

BEWARE, a lot of question ahead, some might just be real easy....but to answer those, it'll make you feel good to deliver your Beach Boys knowledge to another fan.

Before they released them on a legit album, did they redo or overdub anything else?

Almost invariably - trying to think of one archive track that was untampered... and failing.

Quote
Like I've heard the early cut of Take a Load off Your Feet and it sounds slightly different than the released one on Surf's Up, what was added?

Nothing - it's just a slight remix

Quote
Now on Good Time, is there a synthesizer added to this song to make it fit in on the Love You album? I don't know, I could be totally wrong...I know vocals weren't added, but I wonder if Brian considered adding vocals.

Again, a slight remix - what you hear in 1977 is what was recorded in 1970. On the Spring version, yes, there are synths added.

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On Come Go With Me, the whole track was entirely recut for the MIU album, right? the first cut was a Brian production, then the MIU album/single is an Al Jardine approach?

Both versions are Jardine productions: I think he kept the handclaps for the MIU version.

Quote
Also, I've read where My Diane dates back to 15 Big Ones, and I've heard an early cut of it, but what was does to the version to release it for MIU?

Strings added.

Quote
I've also heard an early version of Lady Lynda (MIU era?), did Al totally recut the song for LA?

Yup, but if you can find a copy, an early version plays in the background of a scene of the Almost Summer movie. Which, btw, features entirely different versions of the title track and "Sad, Sad Summer"  ;D

Quote
and the same story for Santa Ana Winds on KTSA? totally recut?  

I'd say so, although the bvs sound very similar.

Quote
Speaking of KTSA, was anything different about When Girls Get Together? I feel as though I've read where Brian's vocal is turned down on the album. And if Dennis plays drums for Endless Harmony, when was it recorded? was it the original track to 10 Years of Harmony?

Respectively, a very, very slight remix... and Dennis play percussion on "EH", not drums. For recording dates, galo out my BB website.

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And speaking of 10 Years of Harmony (the GH album), was anything done to Sea Cruise or was it just taken from 15 Big Ones era, nothing added?

That's about the only one I can think of that wasn't tweaked.

Quote
Also, what did Al do to Loop De Loop to release the final/perfect cut on Endless Harmony?

He re-recorded the first verse, did a remix. The original is still better.

Quote
Were any of the previously unreleased tunes on the Good Vibrations boxed Set or Endless Harmony worked on at all?

Yes - pretty much all the Smile stuff on the box set was remixed and edited, and "4th Of July" was compiled from a safety master and maybe two other reels. "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" was compiled for the box set from the vocal multitracks, Carl's scratch vocal and the finished instrumental track, but Carl vetoed it because he flubbed one word.

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How many vocals were added onto Our Prayer for 20/20?


One, maybe two layers.

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and why does the track to Sherri She Needs me (Brian's vocal from 76) sound so different from the Sandy track?

'Cause it's a completely different recording.  ;D

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If Child of Winter was fixed to be on the Christmas album from the 70s, was anything added to the song from the single?

As Ultimate Christmas shows, they remixed it - badly.

Quote
Also, the only version of Lady Liberty I have is on 45, so I can't exactly play it at the moment, but is it a completely different track?

That's the only version there is - all they did (they being apparently Carl & Alan) was to strip back the track a bit and hastily dub new vocals, so hastily that in places you can hear the original ones (with 'Lynda' clearly audible) leaking through.

I'm going to go and have a rest now...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 27, 2010, 03:34:37 PM
Alright, thank you so much!

I hope answering all these is your pleasure and not work, because I know when I get the chance to help out with info on here, it makes me feel somewhat smart.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on July 27, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
Alright, thank you so much!

I hope answering all these is your pleasure and not work, because I know when I get the chance to help out with info on here, it makes me feel somewhat smart.

yes yes, me too!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on July 27, 2010, 10:43:50 PM
So about that biopic, American Family. Everyone knows that Mike Love oversaw the writing of that movie, and the proof is in the pudding, but if that's the case, how come he didn't have the whole illegitimate daughter thing taken out?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 28, 2010, 11:24:49 AM
So when was the track cut for Sheri She needs Me?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 28, 2010, 11:33:19 AM
So when was the track cut for Sheri She needs Me?

http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs65.html (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs65.html)  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 28, 2010, 01:10:01 PM
Yeah Yeah   ;D

I was kinda throwing it out there for those who knew it right off the bat so they could feel smart on this board.  ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 28, 2010, 01:33:36 PM
Yeah Yeah   ;D

I was kinda throwing it out there for those who knew it right off the bat so they could feel smart on this board.  ;)

You know the real reason I put that site together ?

So's I don't have to remember this sh*t.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 28, 2010, 02:09:25 PM
good call, I mean, the people (the beach boys) who did all that stuff can't hardly remember it either.  ;) :smokin


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 29, 2010, 09:09:16 PM
Maybe it's me because I post questions too much on here, but shouldn't this thread be a sticky at the top? I know we're trying to keep the sticky topics to a minimum, so I would understand if this suggestion doesn't occur.  :p


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 29, 2010, 09:15:37 PM
Lately, I've been reading the Add some Music to Your Day book, in particularly, the article: 'repairing the arid landscape the surf's up album[/i]' by Michael Bocchini. He refers to an album insert with a picture of a landscape; if memory serves me right, I've never seen this picture. Could someone be so kind and upload that photo or point me to the right direction where it's shown, in perhaps a BB book or Surf's Up twofr liner notes?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 29, 2010, 09:29:16 PM
To go along with my singles challenge, I do have a question that I've always wondered, gearing towards singles. With the Beach Boys and Beatles both being on Capitol records, I'm guessing that Capitol had the 'say so' in what singles came out; but what always boggled my mind was that the Beatles had so many singles that don't appear on albums (majority of Past Masters Vol. 1 & 2, excluding single mixes; per example: Let it Be, Get Back, etc.) But the Beach Boys singles were always on the albums...was this because of a lack of confidence from Capitol? or did management have a say in this? I'm just asking for the fact that we don't have too many singles that don't appear on albums (aside from single mixes); really a handful of singles I can think of are: the Little Girl I Once Knew, Breakaway, Celebrate the News, Male Ego, It's a Beautiful Day, etc.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 30, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Lately, I've been reading the Add some Music to Your Day book, in particularly, the article: 'repairing the arid landscape the surf's up album[/i]' by Michael Bocchini. He refers to an album insert with a picture of a landscape; if memory serves me right, I've never seen this picture. Could someone be so kind and upload that photo or point me to the right direction where it's shown, in perhaps a BB book or Surf's Up twofr liner notes?

Not a landscape, but a brown-toned picture of a dried-up lake bed, the mud dried into polygons separated by deep cracks. It's used as the background of the pages with the "Brian Wilson himself..." headline. On the other side of this are the lyrics & credits (it's like a booklet with just four sides - said lyrics/credits are also reproduced in the 2fer booklet).


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on July 30, 2010, 01:11:03 AM
Maybe it's me because I post questions too much on here, but shouldn't this thread be a sticky at the top? I know we're trying to keep the sticky topics to a minimum, so I would understand if this suggestion doesn't occur.  :p

Meh - usually if a topic is worth keeping stickied, it keeps itself on the first page. Stickying things can often lead to it being easily missed because usually things that are stickied aren't worthwhile or are only read once (announcements, rules, etc.)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on July 30, 2010, 01:32:22 AM
Lately, I've been reading the Add some Music to Your Day book, in particularly, the article: 'repairing the arid landscape the surf's up album[/i]' by Michael Bocchini. He refers to an album insert with a picture of a landscape; if memory serves me right, I've never seen this picture. Could someone be so kind and upload that photo or point me to the right direction where it's shown, in perhaps a BB book or Surf's Up twofr liner notes?

Not a landscape, but a brown-toned picture of a dried-up lake bed, the mud dried into polygons separated by deep cracks. It's used as the background of the pages with the "Brian Wilson himself..." headline. On the other side of this are the lyrics & credits (it's like a booklet with just four sides - said lyrics/credits are also reproduced in the 2fer booklet).

to give an idea...

(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6604/su1d.jpg) (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/su1d.jpg/)

and for the other (lyrics and photos) side, visit http://www.pipeline-operaglass.moonfruit.com/#/surfs-up/4517968224


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on July 30, 2010, 02:20:40 AM
thank you so much


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 04, 2010, 09:38:45 AM
I know throughout Brian's re-emergence in the 1980/90s it was suggested -- and sometimes actually planned -- that he work with various other artists who were at the time immensely popular and were huge fans of Brian. I know he was supposed to work with Sean O'Hagan (The High Llamas) and Andy Partridge (XTC), I think. (Both of these would have been amazing, alas! He should ring 'em up again...) Does anyone know who else, if there was anyone else, was floated that he could have worked with as a songwriting partner?

Some fun Patridge quotes featuring Brian (AV Club interview, 2007 (http://www.avclub.com/articles/andy-partridge,14057/)):
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AVC: You weren't able to play guitar for six months because of a hand injury. Were you still writing songs during that time?

AP: Trying to, but it's not easy when you can't play properly. I have cassettes—how's that for duff technology? They still sound better than MP3s. I have loads of cassettes with about 100 bits of song. But I've just been kind of lazy and somewhat diverted from wanting to finish them off. Years ago, there was an interview with Brian Wilson—this was when he was coming out of his very troubled phase—and he said, "I have tapes with 100 pieces of song." And I thought, "God, why doesn't he just finish up a few of them?" And now I find myself in an identical position.

[. . .]

AVC: What will your solo record be like?

AP: I have no idea what my solo record is going to come out like. But in a sad, weird, deranged, Brian Wilson kind of way—and I should wear a grubby old dressing gown to say this—I do have 100 pieces of song. And you know, I felt so sorry for him when he said that. I thought, "God, Brian, get it together!" And now I've admitted to you that that's what I've got. Now I'm the crazy guy that stays in bed with tinnitus.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 04, 2010, 10:16:56 AM
Not the most interesting question to ever be asked on this board I'm sure, but can anybody tell me if Dennis is vocally audible anywhere on the "Wild Honey" album? Can't hear him at all and no Bruce either for that matter.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don_Zabu on August 07, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
How prevalent was the term "vibrations" being used for "innate impressions" before Good Vibrations came out?

I ask because I like the idea of a song changing the language like that, and I wanted to make sure.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on August 07, 2010, 09:49:39 PM
Are there any...."fan videos" of any beach boys concert with Carl from 1997? I've never seen any footage of him from that year.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Bicyclerider on August 09, 2010, 02:32:23 PM
To go along with my singles challenge, I do have a question that I've always wondered, gearing towards singles. With the Beach Boys and Beatles both being on Capitol records, I'm guessing that Capitol had the 'say so' in what singles came out; but what always boggled my mind was that the Beatles had so many singles that don't appear on albums (majority of Past Masters Vol. 1 & 2, excluding single mixes; per example: Let it Be, Get Back, etc.) But the Beach Boys singles were always on the albums...was this because of a lack of confidence from Capitol? or did management have a say in this? I'm just asking for the fact that we don't have too many singles that don't appear on albums (aside from single mixes); really a handful of singles I can think of are: the Little Girl I Once Knew, Breakaway, Celebrate the News, Male Ego, It's a Beautiful Day, etc.

The asnwer is far more prosaic than anything you propose - in the UK the custom was not to include singles on albums, because then the fans were paying twice for the same songs.  While as on this side of the pond, the custom was to include the singles - since they were almost always the strongest tracks on the albums and would boost sales.  Capitol DID include Beatles singles that were not on albums in the UK on early Beatles albums on Capitol - and on  Yesterday and Today where they added Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out for example, or Magical Mystery Tour where they took a six song EP and made it into an album with five single sides.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 09, 2010, 08:17:28 PM
To go along with my singles challenge, I do have a question that I've always wondered, gearing towards singles. With the Beach Boys and Beatles both being on Capitol records, I'm guessing that Capitol had the 'say so' in what singles came out; but what always boggled my mind was that the Beatles had so many singles that don't appear on albums (majority of Past Masters Vol. 1 & 2, excluding single mixes; per example: Let it Be, Get Back, etc.) But the Beach Boys singles were always on the albums...was this because of a lack of confidence from Capitol? or did management have a say in this? I'm just asking for the fact that we don't have too many singles that don't appear on albums (aside from single mixes); really a handful of singles I can think of are: the Little Girl I Once Knew, Breakaway, Celebrate the News, Male Ego, It's a Beautiful Day, etc.

The asnwer is far more prosaic than anything you propose - in the UK the custom was not to include singles on albums, because then the fans were paying twice for the same songs.  While as on this side of the pond, the custom was to include the singles - since they were almost always the strongest tracks on the albums and would boost sales.  Capitol DID include Beatles singles that were not on albums in the UK on early Beatles albums on Capitol - and on  Yesterday and Today where they added Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out for example, or Magical Mystery Tour where they took a six song EP and made it into an album with five single sides.

Good call...perhaps this is why we have the LP version of Be True to Your School and a single version, same as Fun Fun Fun (though I dont hear much of a difference), etc.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Curtis Leon on August 09, 2010, 09:02:15 PM
Does anyone here know of the SMiLE material missing from the currently available boots? What I'm asking here, is what we expect to obtain with an official SMiLE boxset, in terms of new material, not higher quality or somesuch.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on August 10, 2010, 02:34:03 AM
Off the top of my head, there is a complete November '66 mix of Child Is The Father Of The Man in the vaults that surely would be on there.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Esoteric on August 10, 2010, 03:49:21 AM
Not the most interesting question to ever be asked on this board I'm sure, but can anybody tell me if Dennis is vocally audible anywhere on the "Wild Honey" album? Can't hear him at all and no Bruce either for that matter.

I'm pretty sure I hear Bruce on "Country Air". Dennis? Damn, I'll have to play it again tonight just to find out.  :smokin


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 10, 2010, 04:53:31 AM
Off the top of my head, there is a complete November '66 mix of Child Is The Father Of The Man in the vaults that surely would be on there.

Uh, that's around. If you know where to look.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on August 10, 2010, 05:09:27 AM
*Spits coffee on my screen* What's it on?

Is there anything else that hasn't been booted? Just thinking about it, we have sessions for Wonderful (both versions), Heroes And Villains (the main sections, plus loads of little bits, including the Cantina, the bit that closes it on BWPS, and a lot of Part 2 sessions), Do You Dig Worms (although not the complete session, right?), Cabin Essence, Surf's Up, Look, CITFOTM, Holidays, Dada, False Barnyard, OMP, countless Vegetables sessions, Great Shape, WorkShop, I Wanna Be Around, the individual overdubs for Water, and even some Fire tapes!

The only things I can think we don't have are vocal overdubs on some things, the sessions for Barnyard, that mythical second Surf's Up session, and probably lots of other little tidbit H&V and Veggies sessions. But there is a lot out there....

I don't care how good the SOT's or whatever sound, I think an upgrade in sound quality might nearly be my main reason for buying a Smile box...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 10, 2010, 05:22:48 AM
Was the chorus of Woody Woodpecker Symphony originally intended to be overlaid on the Fire track, as was finally done on BWPS?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 10, 2010, 07:07:12 AM
Was the chorus of Woody Woodpecker Symphony originally intended to be overlaid on the Fire track, as was finally done on BWPS?

I think it was the other way around: "Fall Breaks..." evolved (devolved ?) from the Fire Music.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 10, 2010, 07:10:57 AM
Was the chorus of Woody Woodpecker Symphony originally intended to be overlaid on the Fire track, as was finally done on BWPS?

I think it was the other way around: "Fall Breaks..." evolved (devolved ?) from the Fire Music.

Hmmm... interesting and plausible. Nice choice of words too...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 10, 2010, 07:18:30 AM
Not the most interesting question to ever be asked on this board I'm sure, but can anybody tell me if Dennis is vocally audible anywhere on the "Wild Honey" album? Can't hear him at all and no Bruce either for that matter.

Well, if you consider Lonely Days part of the Wild Honey album, I hear Brucie on there


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 10, 2010, 10:25:28 AM
Not the most interesting question to ever be asked on this board I'm sure, but can anybody tell me if Dennis is vocally audible anywhere on the "Wild Honey" album? Can't hear him at all and no Bruce either for that matter.

Well, if you consider Lonely Days part of the Wild Honey album, I hear Brucie on there

True. Come to think of it, if that track had ever been completed it would have been Bruce's official lead vocal debut on a BB record.

The whole "Wild Honey" backing vocals is a mystery to me.  Why are they so far back in the mix and why has nobody ever tried to make them more clearer on subsequent reissues?  I know artistically they were going for a 'rawer' sound but still a sloppy mix is a sloppy mix.  Also I think "Wild Honey" marks the official start of the whole "Al and Brian sounding identical on high harmonies" thing.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 11, 2010, 02:36:42 AM
Not the most interesting question to ever be asked on this board I'm sure, but can anybody tell me if Dennis is vocally audible anywhere on the "Wild Honey" album? Can't hear him at all and no Bruce either for that matter.

Well, if you consider Lonely Days part of the Wild Honey album, I hear Brucie on there

True. Come to think of it, if that track had ever been completed it would have been Bruce's official lead vocal debut on a BB record.

The whole "Wild Honey" backing vocals is a mystery to me.  Why are they so far back in the mix and why has nobody ever tried to make them more clearer on subsequent reissues?  I know artistically they were going for a 'rawer' sound but still a sloppy mix is a sloppy mix.  Also I think "Wild Honey" marks the official start of the whole "Al and Brian sounding identical on high harmonies" thing.

WH truly is very shoddily produced, in a way that harms the enjoyment of the album. The vinyl is no better then the CD. It's all fake stereo. I have one LP that is comparable to WH: 'L.A.M.F.' by Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers (1st version, produced by John Keen and Daniel Secunda). Well, it's not really produced. It sounds like it was randomly recorded on a C-45 cassette, then transferred to 8-track cartridge, fed into a wax cylinder, put back to piano roll, and reconverted to a signal on Elcaset, and then finally engraved on vinyl with a worn sewing needle.

I am not joking.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 11, 2010, 09:42:14 AM
Much of WH sounds demoish to me. If we didn't have the recording dates you'd think it was all bashed out in one afternoon at Brian's.

Also to answer my own question, I'm fairly certain I hear Dennis in the occapella blend on "Mama Says".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on August 11, 2010, 10:24:22 AM
All adds to its considerable charm


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 11, 2010, 10:35:28 AM
On one hand yes, on another no. WH is another of those flawed post PS records. I enjoy most of the album greatly but it's still a 4 star LP at a time when the group had the potential to make 5 star ones. Smiley Smile, Friends and 20/20 also fall under this catagory.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 11, 2010, 10:38:18 AM
Much of WH sounds demoish to me. If we didn't have the recording dates you'd think it was all bashed out in one afternoon at Brian's.

Also to answer my own question, I'm fairly certain I hear Dennis in the occapella blend on "Mama Says".


hmmm, I think Smiley Smile is more along those lines
....if you can drain the pool the night before for the echo chamber  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 11, 2010, 06:40:50 PM
What are Brian's thoughts on Pink Floyd? I've never really heard anything from BW about the group, but in that infamous pic from the late 80s (I think) of Brian holding the Spector Christmas album, Dark Side of the Moon is clearly laying beside a copy of Let it Be. So he obviously has a liking for it...let alone, Brian knows the best music.   :p


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 12, 2010, 07:17:14 AM
perhaps the cover of Game of Love on the Wild Honey outtakes has great backing vocals by Bruce?    ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on August 12, 2010, 07:44:04 AM
What are Brian's thoughts on Pink Floyd? I've never really heard anything from BW about the group, but in that infamous pic from the late 80s (I think) of Brian holding the Spector Christmas album, Dark Side of the Moon is clearly laying beside a copy of Let it Be. So he obviously has a liking for it...let alone, Brian knows the best music.   :p

Brian has commented that the intro to TIME "scared" him...and, given his liberal use of that word, I believe he meant that it thrilled him with its texture and "feel". Of course, the intro is pretty ominous as well, so maybe it did scare him a little, but not enough to put him off the album which he has mentioned as being among favorites from time-to-time.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 12, 2010, 07:49:51 AM
What type of after shave does Mike Love use currently?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Esoteric on August 13, 2010, 08:48:11 PM
What type of after shave does Mike Love use currently?

Sardine juice?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 13, 2010, 09:43:02 PM
What type of after shave does Mike Love use currently?

Sardine juice?

Jardine juice?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Curtis Leon on August 16, 2010, 06:30:38 PM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?

Sorry, just read your post properly. Unless someone's been exceedingly careless, what you've heard isn't "Ecology".
What do you mean? The recording I have heard has the River Song melody, first played on piano, and then on  what sounds like a synthesizer. Then there is another section that has Dennis singing something along the lines of "Our Love, is bigger than the ocean". Then it ends with with mid tempo drums and guitar.

Does anyone know what the status of this is? No idea what he's talking about, either. AGD, care to comment?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 16, 2010, 07:57:26 PM
These were left unanswered. Are they too boring?

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What's the deal with the "Fig Plucker" and "Oh Yeah!" session excerpts (?) from the Goodbye Surfing, Hello God! Vigotone box set? What session are they from and what purpose did they serve -- just more joking around in the studio or something more?
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I know throughout Brian's re-emergence in the 1980/90s it was suggested -- and sometimes actually planned -- that he work with various other artists who were at the time immensely popular and were huge fans of Brian. I know he was supposed to work with Sean O'Hagan (The High Llamas) and Andy Partridge (XTC), I think. (Both of these would have been amazing, alas! He should ring 'em up again...) Does anyone know who else, if there was anyone else, was floated that he could have worked with as a songwriting partner?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 16, 2010, 11:17:04 PM
Ok, I have another question. What is Ecology? I just stumbled on this interesting recording today. What year was it made in? Who was involved in the recording?

Sorry, just read your post properly. Unless someone's been exceedingly careless, what you've heard isn't "Ecology".
What do you mean? The recording I have heard has the River Song melody, first played on piano, and then on  what sounds like a synthesizer. Then there is another section that has Dennis singing something along the lines of "Our Love, is bigger than the ocean". Then it ends with with mid tempo drums and guitar.

Does anyone know what the status of this is? No idea what he's talking about, either. AGD, care to comment?

Someone's put together a sequence of DW outtakes (a few years back) and called it "Ecology". I've heard it, and also heard the real "Ecology": shares a little music, but trust me, isn't "Ecology".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 16, 2010, 11:19:08 PM
These were left unanswered. Are they too boring?

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What's the deal with the "Fig Plucker" and "Oh Yeah!" session excerpts (?) from the Goodbye Surfing, Hello God! Vigotone box set? What session are they from and what purpose did they serve -- just more joking around in the studio or something more?

Session dates for both those are in the 'gigs & sessions' listings on 10452. They're just the Boys dicking around in the studio.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 17, 2010, 05:57:42 AM
These were left unanswered. Are they too boring?

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What's the deal with the "Fig Plucker" and "Oh Yeah!" session excerpts (?) from the Goodbye Surfing, Hello God! Vigotone box set? What session are they from and what purpose did they serve -- just more joking around in the studio or something more?

Session dates for both those are in the 'gigs & sessions' listings on 10452. They're just the Boys dicking around in the studio.

Gotcha. I swear, I need to make checking bellagio second nature... sorry!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 17, 2010, 06:47:34 AM
These were left unanswered. Are they too boring?

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What's the deal with the "Fig Plucker" and "Oh Yeah!" session excerpts (?) from the Goodbye Surfing, Hello God! Vigotone box set? What session are they from and what purpose did they serve -- just more joking around in the studio or something more?

Session dates for both those are in the 'gigs & sessions' listings on 10452. They're just the Boys dicking around in the studio.

Gotcha. I swear, I need to make checking bellagio second nature... sorry!

No probs. Now, if you'd asked me who sang lead on "Let's go Away For A While", my wrath would have been biblical. Verily.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 17, 2010, 07:05:57 AM
These were left unanswered. Are they too boring?

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What's the deal with the "Fig Plucker" and "Oh Yeah!" session excerpts (?) from the Goodbye Surfing, Hello God! Vigotone box set? What session are they from and what purpose did they serve -- just more joking around in the studio or something more?

Session dates for both those are in the 'gigs & sessions' listings on 10452. They're just the Boys dicking around in the studio.

Gotcha. I swear, I need to make checking bellagio second nature... sorry!

No probs. Now, if you'd asked me who sang lead on "Let's go Away For A While", my wrath would have been biblical. Verily.  ;D

Well yeah, cuz that would be foolish -- everyone knows the lyrics were never recorded! >:D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 17, 2010, 07:30:09 AM
These were left unanswered. Are they too boring?

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What's the deal with the "Fig Plucker" and "Oh Yeah!" session excerpts (?) from the Goodbye Surfing, Hello God! Vigotone box set? What session are they from and what purpose did they serve -- just more joking around in the studio or something more?

Session dates for both those are in the 'gigs & sessions' listings on 10452. They're just the Boys dicking around in the studio.

Gotcha. I swear, I need to make checking bellagio second nature... sorry!

No probs. Now, if you'd asked me who sang lead on "Let's go Away For A While", my wrath would have been biblical. Verily.  ;D


Everyone knows Tony Asher sang the lead.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 17, 2010, 07:34:25 AM
These were left unanswered. Are they too boring?

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What's the deal with the "Fig Plucker" and "Oh Yeah!" session excerpts (?) from the Goodbye Surfing, Hello God! Vigotone box set? What session are they from and what purpose did they serve -- just more joking around in the studio or something more?

Session dates for both those are in the 'gigs & sessions' listings on 10452. They're just the Boys dicking around in the studio.

Gotcha. I swear, I need to make checking bellagio second nature... sorry!

No probs. Now, if you'd asked me who sang lead on "Let's go Away For A While", my wrath would have been biblical. Verily.  ;D


Everyone knows Tony Asher sang the lead.  ;D

Keep an eye out for showers of frogs and rivers of blood...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SmileySam on August 17, 2010, 07:03:53 PM
This is off-topic, but I had this thought in my head the other day while mowing the grass....

What would a Brian Wilson solo album from 1970 sound like?

hmmmmm........


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Emdeeh on August 17, 2010, 07:45:24 PM
I keep seeing the name listed both ways -- Paul Mertens or Paul von Mertens. Are both correct?






Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: gsmile on August 17, 2010, 09:50:17 PM
What would a Brian Wilson solo album from 1970 sound like?

hmmmmm........

Probably similar to the G-rated psychedelia of Sweet Mountain off the Spring album, crossed with the more experimental sounds of "Mt. Vernon and Fairway", and knowing Brian, he'd probably loose his confidence half way through and fill the rest of the album up with covers of Spector songs and maybe a few good `uns from the day.  We all know he liked Joe South's "Games People Play".  I also assume that if this fantasy album came out in 1970, Brian's involvement in Sunflower would be reduced, as would the number of songs he contributed, if any.  So let's stick "Cool, Cool Water" on as the last track.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Stegibo on August 18, 2010, 07:08:56 AM
Why did Bruce sing with Brian for the Imagination DVD? Brian just said recently that he doesn't like to work with him. ???


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 18, 2010, 08:10:07 AM
Why did Bruce sing with Brian for the Imagination DVD? Brian just said recently that he doesn't like to work with him. ???
.


really? Where'd he say that?  Maybe for publicity. Sometimes, for my train of thought, there's a lot of times Bruce just thinks: "why not? I need a paycheck."  I'd be the same way if I were him


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Stegibo on August 18, 2010, 08:29:07 AM
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9128.msg155020.html#msg155020 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9128.msg155020.html#msg155020)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 18, 2010, 09:40:19 AM
Why did Bruce sing with Brian for the Imagination DVD? Brian just said recently that he doesn't like to work with him. ???
.


really? Where'd he say that?  Maybe for publicity. Sometimes, for my train of thought, there's a lot of times Bruce just thinks: "why not? I need a paycheck."  I'd be the same way if I were him

Bruce don't need paychecks. Even if he'd never chose a life in the music biz he'd still have more cash than you could spend in a lifetime.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on August 18, 2010, 09:52:58 AM
Why did Bruce sing with Brian for the Imagination DVD? Brian just said recently that he doesn't like to work with him. ???
The list of things Brian did or said, and then subsequently said (or did) something 180 degrees opposite of that is so freakingly damn long that I'm amazed people still get crossed up by that. But they do. Brian has a long history of saying one thing, doing another, or saying one thing, and then saying he never meant to say that, or doing one thing and saying he never did that, or saying he did something and then saying he didn't...  etc... etc...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 18, 2010, 10:03:58 AM
Why did Bruce sing with Brian for the Imagination DVD? Brian just said recently that he doesn't like to work with him. ???
.


really? Where'd he say that?  Maybe for publicity. Sometimes, for my train of thought, there's a lot of times Bruce just thinks: "why not? I need a paycheck."  I'd be the same way if I were him

Bruce don't need paychecks. Even if he'd never chose a life in the music biz he'd still have more cash than you could spend in a lifetime.

alright, thanks for making feel small....

btw, everyone needs a paycheck; why would Gene Hackman star in Superman IV?  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 18, 2010, 10:20:19 AM
Why did Bruce sing with Brian for the Imagination DVD? Brian just said recently that he doesn't like to work with him. ???
.


really? Where'd he say that?  Maybe for publicity. Sometimes, for my train of thought, there's a lot of times Bruce just thinks: "why not? I need a paycheck."  I'd be the same way if I were him

Bruce don't need paychecks. Even if he'd never chose a life in the music biz he'd still have more cash than you could spend in a lifetime.

alright, thanks for making feel small....

btw, everyone needs a paycheck; why would Gene Hackman star in Superman IV?  ;D

Why did the Hackster go for another round of Superman? I believe Christopher Reeve still had the negatives of him, the bucket of fish, the tranquilisers, the Philippine ladyboy.............


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on August 19, 2010, 12:50:58 PM
Question:  Why does Brian change record labels for every solo album he releases?  Does he not want to be tied down creatively to multi-record/year deals?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 19, 2010, 01:12:50 PM
Maybe it's the labels who don't want to get saddled with something that is less-than-inspired and still have to deal with it! If he has no contract, everyone is happy -- no one can force him to do things he doesn't want to do, and no one has to put up with the end result of such a process.  :h5


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Runaways on August 19, 2010, 05:21:00 PM
why does everyone say merda here


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: rab2591 on August 19, 2010, 07:16:16 PM
why does everyone say merda here

type in 'merda' and find out  :lol

It's a block for society's uncouth words.

unless you meant it in the context of 'why does everyone say the slang for 'crap' here' - then I'd say we just know too few words to express our dislike in something  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 19, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
Question:  Why does Brian change record labels for every solo album he releases?  Does he not want to be tied down creatively to multi-record/year deals?

I don't know a lot about Brother Records as a label, but can the guys release under that label? Or is it just the BB material (including some solo material, POB?(I THINK)) that have already been recorded.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on August 19, 2010, 07:43:13 PM
What does estranho filter?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on August 19, 2010, 08:27:35 PM
Question:  Why does Brian change record labels for every solo album he releases?  Does he not want to be tied down creatively to multi-record/year deals?

I don't know a lot about Brother Records as a label, but can the guys release under that label? Or is it just the BB material (including some solo material, POB?(I THINK)) that have already been recorded.
POB was and is owned by Caribou which has no affiliation with Brother or BRI. It was licensed to Sony for the 2008 reissue. Brother or BRI is not actually a label, its just a corporate entity.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 19, 2010, 09:14:38 PM
thanks, i knew it'd get straightened out


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Curtis Leon on August 19, 2010, 10:45:42 PM
Does anyone know exactly what happened to the "Wind Section"? I've heard it was a piano piece, and that it was lost for some reason or another.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on August 19, 2010, 11:07:48 PM
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Question:  Why does Brian change record labels for every solo album he releases?  Does he not want to be tied down creatively to multi-record/year deals?

No. 1: He doesn't.

BW88 and Orange Crate Art were both released by Warner Brothers. (The Sire division did BW88, but the contract was with Warners.)

The IJWMFTT soundtrack was released on Don Was's label because Don Was directed the movie.

Imagination was ultimately released by Warners. GIOMH and Smile were both released by Warners as part of a two-record deal (although through different sub labels).

So really, of his solo catalog, some five albums were released by WB or related companies (which only makes sense, given the BBs and BW's history with the label).

No. 2

That being said, a lot has changed in the record business, and I don't think anyone particularly wants to sign him up for a lengthy deal. People will do shorter-term contracts or make deals for specific projects, but an open-ended deal? Not for BW and his brand of flakiness.

Especially given the fact that, since Melinda came on the scene, Brian owns most of his own recordings and (I suspect) pays for most of his studio time. The recordings are then licensed to the labels. It's easier for everyone concerned.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 19, 2010, 11:08:33 PM
Does anyone know exactly what happened to the "Wind Section"? I've heard it was a piano piece, and that it was lost for some reason or another.

Interesting one, that: the only source for that was Brian, as quoted in the Byron Preiss book. Some folk feel it's a reasonable description of a track that mutated into "Country Air" but honestly, no-one knows for sure.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 19, 2010, 11:18:35 PM
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Question:  Why does Brian change record labels for every solo album he releases?  Does he not want to be tied down creatively to multi-record/year deals?

No. 1: He doesn't.

BW88 and Orange Crate Art were both released by Warner Brothers. (The Sire division did BW88, but the contract was with Warners.)

The IJWMFTT soundtrack was released on Don Was's label because Don Was directed the movie.

Imagination was ultimately released by Warners. GIOMH and Smile were both released by Warners as part of a two-record deal (although through different sub labels).

So really, of his solo catalog, some five albums were released by WB or related companies (which only makes sense, given the BBs and BW's history with the label).

No. 2

That being said, a lot has changed in the record business, and I don't think anyone particularly wants to sign him up for a lengthy deal. People will do shorter-term contracts or make deals for specific projects, but an open-ended deal? Not for BW and his brand of flakiness.

Especially given the fact that, since Melinda came on the scene, Brian owns most of his own recordings and (I suspect) pays for most of his studio time. The recordings are then licensed to the labels. It's easier for everyone concerned.

OCA may have Brian's name on the front, but Van Dyke's was the only name on the Warners contract, and Imagination was released on Giant, which was admittedly bankrolled by Warner's but was to all practical purposes a separate entity.

One thing that never gets mentioned - Brian signed a two-record deal with Arista. I'm guessing after the disappointing performance of the Xmas album, everyone shook hands and walked away.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on August 19, 2010, 11:30:08 PM
Does anyone know exactly what happened to the "Wind Section"? I've heard it was a piano piece, and that it was lost for some reason or another.

Interesting one, that: the only source for that was Brian, as quoted in the Byron Preiss book. Some folk feel it's a reasonable description of a track that mutated into "Country Air" but honestly, no-one knows for sure.
Something in my gut tells me that Brian was just spouting out a much needed song description, to keep the "powers that be" temorarily satisfied, to buy him more time. I don't think that such a song actually existed. Or course, I'm just thinking out loud, and have no basis for anything that I have just said.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on August 19, 2010, 11:33:20 PM
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OCA may have Brian's name on the front, but Van Dyke's was the only name on the Warners contract

Really? I recall reading somewhere it was also used as record number two of Brian's late '80s Sire deal. And Lenny Waronker was pretty involved with both albums. But you would know.

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One thing that never gets mentioned - Brian signed a two-record deal with Arista. I'm guessing after the disappointing performance of the Xmas album, everyone shook hands and walked away.

He did have an AC hit off the record, though, right? And how well could they have expected a Christmas album to do? Ah well. . . . Sigh.

I don't think anyone would ever lose money betting against the commercial performance of a BW solo album. Remarkable that the majors keep releasing them, really.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on August 19, 2010, 11:40:18 PM
Does anyone know exactly what happened to the "Wind Section"? I've heard it was a piano piece, and that it was lost for some reason or another.

Interesting one, that: the only source for that was Brian, as quoted in the Byron Preiss book. Some folk feel it's a reasonable description of a track that mutated into "Country Air" but honestly, no-one knows for sure.

How about Earth, now that we know that "Vegetables" was not it?

Jay, I've always suspected the same.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on August 20, 2010, 12:33:41 PM
Does anyone know exactly what happened to the "Wind Section"? I've heard it was a piano piece, and that it was lost for some reason or another.

Interesting one, that: the only source for that was Brian, as quoted in the Byron Preiss book. Some folk feel it's a reasonable description of a track that mutated into "Country Air" but honestly, no-one knows for sure.
Something in my gut tells me that Brian was just spouting out a much needed song description, to keep the "powers that be" temorarily satisfied, to buy him more time. I don't think that such a song actually existed. Or course, I'm just thinking out loud, and have no basis for anything that I have just said.  ;D

But Brian's quote about what the "Wind Section" was came years after SMiLE collapsed (1976?). For whatever Brian intended THE ELEMENTS to be, before or after the fact, it was identified as "Fire" (or "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow") only during the actual SMiLE sessions. The Preiss quote could simply be a made-up answer...or a reference to what became "Country Air" as AGD has suggested...or a comment regarding the original ending of "Wind Chimes". The vagueness as to what THE ELEMENTS actually was extends to Frank Holmes' illustration for "Vega-Tables (The Elements)" as well...and to BWPS for that matter, although I like how the third movement has the four elements present without emphasizing the fact.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: gsmile on August 20, 2010, 01:01:38 PM
Did Johnny Carson ever hear his tribute song?  If so, what was his reaction?  One certainly can't fault it's loving praise for Johnny; but pitted against dark, slippery and menacing synth stabs...surely he must have been scratching his head.  Perhaps Brian thought a tribute song would get the Boys on Carson to promote the record.  Not too strange an idea, considering his practical joker side.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 20, 2010, 01:50:11 PM
Did Johnny Carson ever hear his tribute song?  If so, what was his reaction?  One certainly can't fault it's loving praise for Johnny; but pitted against dark, slippery and menacing synth stabs...surely he must have been scratching his head.  Perhaps Brian thought a tribute song would get the Boys on Carson to promote the record.  Not too strange an idea, considering his practical joker side.

I recall reading he did, soon after it was released.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: gsmile on August 20, 2010, 01:59:51 PM
I recall reading he did, soon after it was released.

Cool!  I wonder if he worked it into a joke on the show?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on August 21, 2010, 04:16:32 AM
There's a track on UM18 (the Smiley Smile one) which is Brian playing a very slow, pretty piece on a harpsichord with delay on it - I always suspected that might have been the 'piano piece' for Wind.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Zack on August 21, 2010, 08:08:48 AM
Did Johnny Carson ever hear his tribute song?  If so, what was his reaction?  One certainly can't fault it's loving praise for Johnny; but pitted against dark, slippery and menacing synth stabs...surely he must have been scratching his head.  Perhaps Brian thought a tribute song would get the Boys on Carson to promote the record.  Not too strange an idea, considering his practical joker side.

I think he said "It's not exactly art, is it?"


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Ganz Allein on August 21, 2010, 11:15:05 AM
I recall reading he did, soon after it was released.

Cool!  I wonder if he worked it into a joke on the show?

He said, "You know, yesterday I just listened to that new Beach Boys album, 'Love You," and heard that song, 'Johnny Carson,' that they wrote about me. That was some wild, weird stuff!" And then Ed McMahon guffawed and exclaimed, "You are correct, sir!"  :p


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: gsmile on August 21, 2010, 11:27:18 AM
Thanks to AGD, Zack and Ganz for their replies to my question.  I'm sure Johnny and Ed had a good laugh over the song.  To those who were around for this period of the group (I was born in 82, ha), was the common perception of the Beach Boys as a vocal-based surf group that had mutated into weird Wilsonian art pop?  Or had "Endless Summer" already cemented them as a "oldies but moldies" group?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Stegibo on August 22, 2010, 05:15:03 PM
Has Mike done at least one show without a hat in the last 30 years? :D


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Post by: Jay on August 22, 2010, 08:37:55 PM
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Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 23, 2010, 10:03:15 AM
I'm a jerk and want to open this age-old can of worms again: To what extent can Brian Wilson read/write music? I don't know the terms since I know no music theory, but can he write proper, total notation (on a staff with note symbols and whatever) or just chord changes and the rest is "felt out" as it's being recorded? Obviously there are enough pictures of him looking very intently at what are ostensibly music sheets and I don't think they'd go through all that effort -- especially not over the decades -- to retain such an image if he can't actually read/write music significantly? Then again, if he could read/write music wouldn't he be able to score a film, which he said recently he couldn't do? (Unless, of course, that is because he's simply not interested in doing it!)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Steve Mayo on August 23, 2010, 10:26:52 AM
i had an interview of the group from late 1970. in it brian talked about what he wanted to do next..and that was to score films. 'course i don't know how serious he was in that interview....  ::)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on August 23, 2010, 10:56:50 AM
well all the wrecking crew said Brian had music written out for them.   I'm pretty sure he wrote and can read music well.  and i seriously think Brian would have gone on to score films if he hadn't gone under. 

i think what he said recently is more "i wouldn't know how to score a film", not write music.  and he prob couldn't be bothered to study films and see proper scoring. 

i wish he did.


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Post by: The Heartical Don on August 23, 2010, 12:09:26 PM
well all the wrecking crew said Brian had music written out for them.   I'm pretty sure he wrote and can read music well.  and i seriously think Brian would have gone on to score films if he hadn't gone under. 

i think what he said recently is more "i wouldn't know how to score a film", not write music.  and he prob couldn't be bothered to study films and see proper scoring. 

i wish he did.

I seem to recall now that he actually could read and write music well, but had an odd way of drawing the notes themselves on paper. Whether he actuall plays 'a prima vista' (immediately and synchronous to reading it), I don't know.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on August 23, 2010, 12:12:35 PM
I think he can score to an extent, but not especially quickly or naturally. That kind of skill -- actual pen-and-paper arranging -- takes some training. Brian didn't pursue that kind of education. I think if he wanted a particular part he could write it out, but it was more common for him to sketch out the chord changes on staff paper for the musicians. He would then sing/play particular parts as the band learned on the fly.

And that's what he still does. In footage from the Christmas album, you can see the band has staff paper on which Brian has written out basic chord changes. For actual string parts, he's much more likely to have someone else write it out. Dick Reynolds in the 60s or Paul Mertens in the 00s.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 23, 2010, 12:22:46 PM
David Sandler recalls paying a visit to Brian's house in the early 70s and having a conversation with him while he was writing out horn charts for an upcoming session.

And, of course, he took music in high school, so yes, he can read and write notation.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 23, 2010, 12:39:20 PM
"Good Time" was it not?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on August 23, 2010, 12:44:26 PM
Important distinction here: There is a difference between being able to read and notate music -- which there is no question Brian is able to do  -- and actually arranging, i.e. writing out precisely notated parts for each different instrument in an orchestral ensemble. Gershwin himself wasn't able to do it quickly enough for Rhapsody in Blue, which is why his two-piano part score was arranged for orchestra by Ferde Grofe. That's something learned in conservatory, or through extensive private study. Brian probably has the creative ability to do that, and some of the Pet Sounds sessions come close, but he hasn't taken it all the way.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 23, 2010, 02:19:34 PM
Yeah, that sort of distinction is what I was trying to get at but failing to formulate properly because I know next to nothing about music theory. This is why I thought it was odd he said he couldn't score a film, because I figured he does clearly know how to write and read musical notation. Thanks! The difference, then, is that he is unable to arrange for orchestral ensembles but is competent enough to arrange for pop music -- because the latter is not as complex as the former by definition? (By 'complex' I mean something like the way the musical instruments interact with each other and form a compositional, cogent whole, rather than sectional bits of melody and harmony and so forth.) I'm reaching here because I don't think I have the language to speak about this intelligently but want to learn more, haha. Sorry!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on August 23, 2010, 02:53:44 PM
That's about right. A modern symphony orchestra has something like 20 different instrument groups. That means an orchestrator has to keep track of a lot of different things -- and sometimes sections of those instruments will play different parts.

In contrast, a Beach Boys record would have drums, bass, keyboard, guitar, percussion and perhaps a horn section. Brian would write on the piano, so by definition his piano demo would have the seeds of the drum part (the piano is a percussive instrument, after all), the bass (his left-hand parts pretty much translate exactly) and the keyboard part. So he could alter those and make them more complex, but they were very close to how he wrote the song.

He might then have to come up with some guitar parts, and if he needed to notate something for a small section of horns, he had the raw knowledge and ability to do that. And yes, he would add multiple keyboards or basses, but they're all not playing totally independent parts. Brian was interested in the combined sound they made.

Now, the key to this all is that Brian would overlay these tracks with four-part vocal harmony, which he would also arrange. So in terms of the sheer number of parts, he certainly could approach 20 in some of his more complex tracks. But his vocal parts have -- as far as I know -- never been notated.

In a way, it's too bad Brian never got this kind of education in his 20s. It may have made expressing his musical ideas quicker and easier, and he wouldn't have had to turn to people like Mertens et. al for the larger arrangements. But it's pretty incredible he was able to do what he did. (And actually fairly unusual for pop music -- there's a reason people called him a genius.)

Postscript -- the other difference is scope. A film score or symphonic piece is a sustained, lengthy piece of music that involves development, variations, multiple themes, etc. Brian has mainly worked in short forms, with the exception of Smile (which is still largely stitched from tiny pieces). He may feel like the sustained musical development is something he can't do.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: the captain on August 23, 2010, 02:54:06 PM
My guess is that Brian can read and write music at the level to which he was trained: that is, not with any degree of expertise. Sufficient to plow through written music (I can't see him as a sight reader, though that's purely speculatory) or to eventually get it down on paper in an understandable fashion. But scoring? Doubtful. You're constantly transcribing into different keys, as different instruments are just that (alto saxophone sounds a G on what is a Bb on piano, for example). It would have been most likely and still in tune with what I've read and heard that Brian would scribble down single-line ideas--that is, one instrument's part at a time--for players, likely for piano, and then for the accomplished studio musicians to transcribe on sight. This was by no means uncommon: the very idea of a "lead sheet" (common in jazz and certain other non-classical music) is just that.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on August 23, 2010, 03:16:03 PM
One of the more amazing things is that Brian sang the string parts to the session players on "Don't Talk" and the arrangement is what you hear. It's so gorgeous.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 23, 2010, 04:08:08 PM
Thanks a lot, Wirestone. Obviously I need to learn me some music theory, heh. I'm glad my vague meanders were so imprecise that they ended up being generally correct too! :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: the captain on August 23, 2010, 06:17:49 PM
Actually, while I agree thanks are (always!) in order to Wirestone, music theory wouldn't help with what he said. That's more along the lines of general music or music appreciation. But those are also great courses to take. (Theory is a whole different--and FUN--animal.)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Chris Brown on August 23, 2010, 06:27:56 PM
One of the more amazing things is that Brian sang the string parts to the session players on "Don't Talk" and the arrangement is what you hear. It's so gorgeous.

Indeed that is quite amazing what Brian was able to do as an arranger without any formal training.  The string parts in "Don't Talk" are exquisite, so well-done that even Tony Asher was impressed (and he had been working with Brian each day writing Pet Sounds). 

Had Brian stayed healthy and had the inclination, I have no doubt that he could have scored films.  Maybe not in the typical sense, but with his own creative flow - something that David Anderle alluded to in his post-Smile interview with Paul Williams.  Brian had the talent and the creativity to do whatever he wanted musically, provided he actually wanted to do it and didn't quickly lose interest. 

Even today, I think he could still do more serious arranging without any assistance if he wanted to...thing is, he's 68 years old, and has put in more than a lifetime's worth of musical work.  I can't imagine he wants to spend his remaining years writing out intricate string and horn parts.  He's lucky enough to have people around him who will take his suggestions and do the heavy lifting on his behalf.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on August 23, 2010, 08:19:54 PM
Indeed. Luther is the one you want for theory. I played high school violin, but my technical knowledge peters out pretty shortly after that point. The general music knowledge stuff is easier if you read a book or two on "classical" -- and it gives you an appreciation for what the theory guys actually know! It really is a completely different ball game than pop/rock.

Frankly, Brian is probably more interesting to look at on a music theory level than the overall one I described. Because if you only know generally how music is orchestrated and arranged in a couple of contexts, it can be easy to dismiss Brian. He's not conservatory trained. He doesn't have the sheer technical chops of someone like Bacharach, for instance. But on the basic theory level -- that is, chords, voicings, the way his music is actually put together -- he is (from what I understand) pretty remarkable. I mean, even if you don't have a theory background, you can hear that something unusual and unique is going on with songs like "This Whole World" or "Til I Die."


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: rab2591 on August 25, 2010, 10:16:31 AM
Was 'In My Room' the only song the Beach Boys did in German or were there others?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 25, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
Was 'In My Room' the only song the Beach Boys did in German or were there others?

I don't think there were others. Just imagine: 'Gute Schwingungen', 'Greife Eine Welle', 'Bitte Mache Mich Neugierig', 'Würde Es Nicht Wunderbar Sein', 'Nur Der Liebe Herrgott Weiß', 'Ich Komm' Schon Mal Irgendwo', 'Ganz Hinten In Meinem Geiste', and, worst of all, 'Sommer Im Paradies'.

No. I pass.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on August 25, 2010, 10:42:02 AM
Which (very) roughly translated comes back as:

Quote from:  Babelfish
Good oscillations, seize a wave, please make me for Neugieri, did not become it not marvelously Sein' , Only the love gentleman Mr. white, I Komm' Already mark Irgendwo' , Whole in the back in my Geist' , and, worst OF all, ' Summer in the Paradies'.


 :o


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Post by: phirnis on August 25, 2010, 10:55:42 AM
Was 'In My Room' the only song the Beach Boys did in German or were there others?

I don't think there were others. Just imagine: 'Gute Schwingungen', 'Greife Eine Welle', 'Bitte Mache Mich Neugierig', 'Würde Es Nicht Wunderbar Sein', 'Nur Der Liebe Herrgott Weiß', 'Ich Komm' Schon Mal Irgendwo', 'Ganz Hinten In Meinem Geiste', and, worst of all, 'Sommer Im Paradies'.

No. I pass.

Not to mention "Liebe ist eine Frau" and "Hier kommt die Nacht" (disco version)...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 25, 2010, 10:58:55 AM
Was 'In My Room' the only song the Beach Boys did in German or were there others?

I don't think there were others. Just imagine: 'Gute Schwingungen', 'Greife Eine Welle', 'Bitte Mache Mich Neugierig', 'Würde Es Nicht Wunderbar Sein', 'Nur Der Liebe Herrgott Weiß', 'Ich Komm' Schon Mal Irgendwo', 'Ganz Hinten In Meinem Geiste', and, worst of all, 'Sommer Im Paradies'.

No. I pass.

Not to mention "Liebe ist eine Frau" and "Hier kommt die Nacht" (disco version)...

 :lol and: 'Einkürzendes Brot'...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on August 25, 2010, 11:03:31 AM
Was 'In My Room' the only song the Beach Boys did in German or were there others?

I don't think there were others. Just imagine: 'Gute Schwingungen', 'Greife Eine Welle', 'Bitte Mache Mich Neugierig', 'Würde Es Nicht Wunderbar Sein', 'Nur Der Liebe Herrgott Weiß', 'Ich Komm' Schon Mal Irgendwo', 'Ganz Hinten In Meinem Geiste', and, worst of all, 'Sommer Im Paradies'.

No. I pass.

Have been listening to "James Last does Beach Boys Volume 2" too much again, haven't you , Heartical Don?  ;D

(I admit might actually buy such a record... 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 25, 2010, 11:14:59 AM
Was 'In My Room' the only song the Beach Boys did in German or were there others?

I don't think there were others. Just imagine: 'Gute Schwingungen', 'Greife Eine Welle', 'Bitte Mache Mich Neugierig', 'Würde Es Nicht Wunderbar Sein', 'Nur Der Liebe Herrgott Weiß', 'Ich Komm' Schon Mal Irgendwo', 'Ganz Hinten In Meinem Geiste', and, worst of all, 'Sommer Im Paradies'.

No. I pass.

Have been listening to "James Last does Beach Boys Volume 2" too much again, haven't you , Heartical Don?  ;D

(I admit might actually buy such a record... 

Yes SH, it was one of those days. BTW: I do have a CD with BBs covers in German, done by famous German cartoonist Manfred Deix and his group. If I am right, 'California Girls' is covered as 'Fesche Tyroler Mädel'... it was a bargain thingy, but I'd guess it's collectible by now.


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Post by: SMiLE-Holland on August 25, 2010, 11:23:55 AM
'Fesche Tyroler Mädel'

this must be heard !


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Stegibo on August 25, 2010, 12:19:58 PM
What a funny topic! ;D

"Den Sommer am Leben halten"
"Füge etwas Musik zu deinem Tag"
"Alles was ich machen möchte"
"Sei deiner Schule treu"
"Wegbrechen"
"Brian ist zurück"
"Komm geh mit mir"
"Cooles, cooles Wasser"
"Baumwollfelder"
"Tanz, Tanz, Tanz"
"Spaß. Spaß, Spaß"
"Schatz"
"Tu es nochmal"
"Mach dir keine Sorgen, Baby"
"Krieg dich zurück"
"Hawaii"
"Helden und Verbrecher"
"Ich kann Musik hören"
"Ich komme herum"
"Ich wette, er ist schön"
"Inselfieber"
"Inselmädchen"
"Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag"
"Es ist OK"
"Küss mich, Baby"
"Lass uns diesen Weg gehen"
"Für dich gemeint"
"Freunde"
"Unser Gebet"
"Problemkind"
"Roller fahrendes Kind"
"Sie hat Rhythmus"
"Schaluppe John B."
"Irgendwo in der Nähe von Japan"
"Seltsame DInge passieren"
"Wellenreiten Safari"
"Wellenreiten USA"
"Wellenreitstadt"
"Die Nacht war so jung"
"Diese ganze Welt"
"Du bist so gut zu mir"


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wrightfan on August 25, 2010, 12:30:46 PM
Forget German, I want to see how the spanish react to Al Jardine's name  :lol


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Post by: Fall Breaks on August 25, 2010, 01:20:47 PM
You guys seriously need to check out Die Strandjungs - World Pop Masters: Surf Music Auf Deutsch with such titles as "Mir ist so heiss" ("You're So Good To Me"). Spotify link: http://open.spotify.com/track/6ePI1iqU9MzPd4DqW2qYfW


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on August 25, 2010, 08:25:13 PM
WHo sings the second verse in Brian's version of Proud Mary?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 25, 2010, 09:28:39 PM
I've always read that Come to the Sunshine was recorded for 15 Big Ones, or around that era. Can anyone tell me if Brian cut a new track for it or used VDP's original? I can't imagine this (even if 1967 or so is considered an oldie  ;))  being meant for an oldies album, let alone no other 'psychedelic' songs involved with the album.
 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 25, 2010, 11:46:26 PM
I've always read that Come to the Sunshine was recorded for 15 Big Ones, or around that era. Can anyone tell me if Brian cut a new track for it or used VDP's original? I can't imagine this (even if 1967 or so is considered an oldie  ;))  being meant for an oldies album, let alone no other 'psychedelic' songs involved with the album.
 

Completely new recording - just VDP and BDW, mid-October 1975 at The Sound Factory.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 25, 2010, 11:54:26 PM
any vocals recorded?

it makes one wonder when this woulda appeared on the album...I'd like to say right after the TM Song


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 26, 2010, 12:52:56 AM
any vocals recorded?

it makes one wonder when this woulda appeared on the album...I'd like to say right after the TM Song

As far as I'm aware, completed song.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 26, 2010, 01:12:20 AM
What a funny topic! ;D

"Den Sommer am Leben halten"
"Füge etwas Musik zu deinem Tag"
"Alles was ich machen möchte"
"Sei deiner Schule treu"
"Wegbrechen"
"Brian ist zurück"
"Komm geh mit mir"
"Cooles, cooles Wasser"
"Baumwollfelder"
"Tanz, Tanz, Tanz"
"Spaß. Spaß, Spaß"
"Schatz"
"Tu es nochmal"
"Mach dir keine Sorgen, Baby"
"Krieg dich zurück"
"Hawaii"
"Helden und Verbrecher"
"Ich kann Musik hören"
"Ich komme herum"
"Ich wette, er ist schön"
"Inselfieber"
"Inselmädchen"
"Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag"
"Es ist OK"
"Küss mich, Baby"
"Lass uns diesen Weg gehen"
"Für dich gemeint"
"Freunde"
"Unser Gebet"
"Problemkind"
"Roller fahrendes Kind"
"Sie hat Rhythmus"
"Schaluppe John B."
"Irgendwo in der Nähe von Japan"
"Seltsame DInge passieren"
"Wellenreiten Safari"
"Wellenreiten USA"
"Wellenreitstadt"
"Die Nacht war so jung"
"Diese ganze Welt"
"Du bist so gut zu mir"

 :smokin hahaha...  what a way to start the day!  :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 26, 2010, 07:58:15 AM
any vocals recorded?

it makes one wonder when this woulda appeared on the album...I'd like to say right after the TM Song

As far as I'm aware, completed song.

NICE!  I'm surprised this isn't a more sought out song.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on August 26, 2010, 09:38:41 AM
I picked up Endless Summer on vinyl the other day, and can't hear the difference between the duophonic mixes and Brian's mono besides when i fiddle with the balance. Am i tone-deaf?

Also, in the same shop i passed up a copy of Today! because it was a stereo mix. It would have cost me £1.50. Am i insane?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on August 26, 2010, 09:46:09 AM
Today was never in stereo, only mono and Duophonic. The Duophonic LP doesn't sound too bad. Now, the duophonic version of Summer Days on the other hand sounds gawd-awful.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 26, 2010, 10:07:24 AM
I picked up Endless Summer on vinyl the other day, and can't hear the difference between the duophonic mixes and Brian's mono besides when i fiddle with the balance. Am i tone-deaf?

It would appear, yes.  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on August 26, 2010, 10:17:17 AM
Haha, thought so. It's bizarre. Judging from what everyone says about the Duophonic, i was expecting washed out horrible-ness. It's a little like that - LHRW is 'empty' sounding - but i guess it's due to the crapness of my set up more than anything (The Don wouldn't approve, lets say). I don't doubt if i tried to listen on headphones it'd sound terrible. But yeah.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 26, 2010, 10:33:01 AM
Haha, thought so. It's bizarre. Judging from what everyone says about the Duophonic, i was expecting washed out horrible-ness. It's a little like that - LHRW is 'empty' sounding - but i guess it's due to the crapness of my set up more than anything (The Don wouldn't approve, lets say). I don't doubt if i tried to listen on headphones it'd sound terrible. But yeah.


Ha. In fact, I never found Duophonic all that bad, with a qualification: via a normal stereo setup, and at a moderate level, it's quite enjoyable. But via phones I can't stand it. BTW: this is about vinyl, not CD (is there Duophonic on CD at all?).


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 26, 2010, 10:37:29 AM
The Japanese Pastmasters series contains two Duophonic tracks on otherwise brilliant flat transfers (sometimes mono, sometimes Chuck Britz's stereo mixes where available, I guess). I forget what the other one is but "I'm Bugged At My Ol' Man" is one of them. It definitely sounds different and annoyingly worse than the tracks surrounding it, but it's not absolutely abysmal, I guess. Then again, I'd probably feel differently if it were any other song on that album. :lol Why are some of these Pastmasters discs in stereo anyway when mono would have been vastly preferred (I'm thinking of albums like [IIRC] All Summer Long, Surfer Girl, Shut Down Vol. 2 -- mostly their pre-Today! LPs.)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on August 26, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
The Japanese Pastmasters series has a few duophonic tracks. For instance, the Pastmasters "All Summer Long" CD is in stereo, except for "I Get Around" & "All Summer Long" which are duophonic. I can't remember if 'Our Favorite Recording Sessions" is mono or duophonic, though.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on August 26, 2010, 10:41:45 AM
Oh, sh*t, "I Get Around" and "All Summer Long" are Duophonic too? I don't have them with me right now to listen -- and I mostly listen to the singles box set versions anyway, as is most sensible -- but that is still disappointing if it's true. At least from Today! onwards they seemed to get it right as I think everything up to Friends (duh) is proper Brian-mix mono!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on August 26, 2010, 10:43:07 AM
Aren't the twofers of those early records in Britz-stereo? I hate Britz stereo... I find it really hard to listen to them, which is a shame as the only time i'll be able to hear them in mono is when i chance upon a dusty vinyl copy somewhere.

Wouldn't the recent mono boom (First the beatles, now Dylan) be ample cause to re-release Brian's mono mixes of these records? Please??


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on August 26, 2010, 10:46:39 AM
The Pastmasters series are like the original albums were. Capitol sent the tape reels of the original albums. SD, vol.2 and  ASL orignally had some non-stereo tracks.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on August 26, 2010, 10:51:48 AM
When Summer Days was sent, Capitol sent the 10 track mono re-issue over. Later after the error, they sent the duophonic versions of Amusement Parks USA and IBAMOM. Once in Japan, they folded down the duophonics to mono, and that is why those two tracks sound so terrible.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: buddhahat on August 26, 2010, 12:45:16 PM
Just discussing Christmassey on another board. Did Jim Webb have a hand in writing this? If so, just lyrics, or lyrics and music?

Many thanks for any info.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 26, 2010, 01:10:45 PM
Just discussing Christmassey on another board. Did Jim Webb have a hand in writing this? If so, just lyrics, or lyrics and music?

Many thanks for any info.

Both the 'new' tunes, the lyricist in question was sent a tape with the melody, added the lyric.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: buddhahat on August 26, 2010, 01:25:45 PM
Just discussing Christmassey on another board. Did Jim Webb have a hand in writing this? If so, just lyrics, or lyrics and music?

Many thanks for any info.

Both the 'new' tunes, the lyricist in question was sent a tape with the melody, added the lyric.

Many thanks - much appreciated.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on August 26, 2010, 02:13:13 PM
Oh, merda, "I Get Around" and "All Summer Long" are Duophonic too? I don't have them with me right now to listen -- and I mostly listen to the singles box set versions anyway, as is most sensible -- but that is still disappointing if it's true. At least from Today! onwards they seemed to get it right as I think everything up to Friends (duh) is proper Brian-mix mono!
The Pastmasters Series were all Mono from Today through Wild Honey. Like they did in the US, Surfin' USA through All Summer Long were done using the stereo masters; hence the duophonic tracks where no stereo was available. The Pastmasters series was done 4 years before (1987-1988) the US CD's came out. By the time of the US releases, the mono tracks had replaced the duophonic ones.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on August 26, 2010, 02:17:46 PM
I may be incorrect saying this, but I believe that "Do It Again" on the "Friends-20/20" 2-fer is the only fake stereo track on any USA released CD.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 28, 2010, 09:57:09 PM
What songs on the GV boxed set were brand new to fans? basically, what songs that were "previously unreleased" on the set were actually never booted?

Same goes for the Endless Harmony soundtrack and Hawthorne CA?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 29, 2010, 12:36:39 AM
What songs on the GV boxed set were brand new to fans? basically, what songs that were "previously unreleased" on the set were actually never booted?

Same goes for the Endless Harmony soundtrack and Hawthorne CA?

This is top of the head stuff, and always bear in mind that there are varying degrees of circulation of 'archive' recordings, hence what is new to A might be old news to B. That said (and not including sessions or stero/acapella/track remixes)...

Box set:
"Surfin' USA" demo
"Little Surfer Girl"
"Punchline"
"Things We Did Last Summer"
"4th Of July"
"In My Room" demo

Endless Harmony:
"Soulful Old Man Sunshine" (both versions)
"Heroes And Villains" live
"Do It Again" demo
"Sail Plane Song"

Hawthorne CA:
"Little Deuce Coupe" demo
"A Time To Live In Dreams"
"Lonely Days"

As ever, corrections please.





Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: summerinparadise.flac on August 29, 2010, 12:17:45 PM
Who sings lead on Help Me Rhonda at the Carnegie Hall show?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Stegibo on August 29, 2010, 12:42:14 PM
I think it's Carl Wilson.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 29, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
What songs on the GV boxed set were brand new to fans? basically, what songs that were "previously unreleased" on the set were actually never booted?

Same goes for the Endless Harmony soundtrack and Hawthorne CA?

This is top of the head stuff, and always bear in mind that there are varying degrees of circulation of 'archive' recordings, hence what is new to A might be old news to B. That said (and not including sessions or stero/acapella/track remixes)...

Box set:
"Surfin' USA" demo
"Little Surfer Girl"
"Punchline"
"Things We Did Last Summer"
"4th Of July"
"In My Room" demo

Endless Harmony:
"Soulful Old Man Sunshine" (both versions)
"Heroes And Villains" live
"Do It Again" demo
"Sail Plane Song"

Hawthorne CA:
"Little Deuce Coupe" demo
"A Time To Live In Dreams"
"Lonely Days"

As ever, corrections please.






One question I have is, the Surfin' USA demo on the GV boxed, just Brian on piano was unreleased, so what about the Surfin' USA demo on Hawthorne CA, that includes drums; is this the same recording with just drums added or a different take?


I'd also like to ask if any of the bonus tracks on the twofers were unbooted? What about the Beach Boys Rarities that came out in the early 80s? (the one with the girl on the cover that contains those ridiculous BB Hits/Ballad Medleys)
What about the BW88 reissued bonus tracks?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on August 29, 2010, 09:52:53 PM
I think it's Carl Wilson.
It's Dennis.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: summerinparadise.flac on August 29, 2010, 11:06:52 PM
I think it's Carl Wilson.
It's Dennis.

That was my first thought but I wasn't sure why he would take lead. Give him something to do since he couldn't drum?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on August 29, 2010, 11:12:27 PM
He sang lead on the song regularly during that time. I think from 1971 to 1974.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Bill M on August 30, 2010, 08:56:40 AM
I think there's a fair amount of rotation between Al, Carl, & Dennis during that period.  My guess would be that Dennis probably has the most leads.  Why?  He's said in interviews that he just loved to sing it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on August 30, 2010, 09:01:33 AM
This makes HMR the BB song that has had most different BB lead vocalists, right? Al (original), Carl and Dennis during this time, Al and Mike on Knebworth and Brian nowadays.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on August 30, 2010, 11:56:06 AM
What songs on the GV boxed set were brand new to fans? basically, what songs that were "previously unreleased" on the set were actually never booted?

Same goes for the Endless Harmony soundtrack and Hawthorne CA?

This is top of the head stuff, and always bear in mind that there are varying degrees of circulation of 'archive' recordings, hence what is new to A might be old news to B. That said (and not including sessions or stero/acapella/track remixes)...

Box set:
"Surfin' USA" demo
"Little Surfer Girl"
"Punchline"
"Things We Did Last Summer"
"4th Of July"
"In My Room" demo

Endless Harmony:
"Soulful Old Man Sunshine" (both versions)
"Heroes And Villains" live
"Do It Again" demo
"Sail Plane Song"

Hawthorne CA:
"Little Deuce Coupe" demo
"A Time To Live In Dreams"
"Lonely Days"

As ever, corrections please.






One question I have is, the Surfin' USA demo on the GV boxed, just Brian on piano was unreleased, so what about the Surfin' USA demo on Hawthorne CA, that includes drums; is this the same recording with just drums added or a different take?


I'd also like to ask if any of the bonus tracks on the twofers were unbooted? What about the Beach Boys Rarities that came out in the early 80s? (the one with the girl on the cover that contains those ridiculous BB Hits/Ballad Medleys)
What about the BW88 reissued bonus tracks?

Besides the singles that already came out


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 31, 2010, 07:56:41 AM
Is anybody else a little disturbed to see that the new Jonas Brothers album cover is all but ripping off the classic Beach Boys walking with the surfboard pose?  What will their next album cover be, The Jonas Brothers frollicking around at the local petting zoo? Anywho, the only people who like these dorks are 9 year old little girls and Bruce Johnston!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: John Manning on August 31, 2010, 08:17:03 AM
Y
Is anybody else a little disturbed to see that the new Jonas Brothers album cover is all but ripping off the classic Beach Boys walking with the surfboard pose?  What will their next album cover be, The Jonas Brothers friggin' around at the local petting zoo? Anywho, the only people who like these dorks are 9 year old little girls and Bruce Johnston!

Yeah...kinda looks like the Abbey Road cover too....


Seriously? You bothered?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Domino on August 31, 2010, 09:35:37 AM
Which year is this intrumental version of My Solution from? Is it just Brian? It's great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUchTaG9lzI&feature=related


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 31, 2010, 09:47:55 AM
Which year is this intrumental version of My Solution from? Is it just Brian? It's great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUchTaG9lzI&feature=related

Roughly 1980.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 31, 2010, 10:33:07 AM
Y
Is anybody else a little disturbed to see that the new Jonas Brothers album cover is all but ripping off the classic Beach Boys walking with the surfboard pose?  What will their next album cover be, The Jonas Brothers friggin' around at the local petting zoo? Anywho, the only people who like these dorks are 9 year old little girls and Bruce Johnston!

Yeah...kinda looks like the Abbey Road cover too....


Seriously? You bothered?

Only if they think for one nanosecond that they are in the same league as The BB's. If not fine, let them have their 15 minutes.

BTW, I'm a little bemused that the word I typed in my previous post has been edited out and substituted with the word 'friggin' as I didn't type a swear word??


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on August 31, 2010, 11:48:45 AM
BTW, I'm a little bemused that the word I typed in my previous post has been edited out and substituted with the word 'friggin' as I didn't type a swear word??

Hmmm, the words friggin', foda and merda have popped up quite often the last couple of weeks. Might be due to the fact that since the switch to a new webhost some settings might have been set back to default. I'll check out the filter-settings.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on August 31, 2010, 11:59:19 AM
sh*t f*** damn ass bitch whore


Testing complete.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on August 31, 2010, 12:29:54 PM
BTW, I'm a little bemused that the word I typed in my previous post has been edited out and substituted with the word 'friggin' as I didn't type a swear word??

Hmmm, the words friggin', foda and merda have popped up quite often the last couple of weeks. Might be due to the fact that since the switch to a new webhost some settings might have been set back to default. I'll check out the filter-settings.

well.... the 'censored words'-list isn't that long.... and there's only one word changed automatically into friggin'..... not swearing per se, more like another word for 'intercourse'.... but I guess using an  *  didn't really help, mikes beard   ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on August 31, 2010, 01:59:51 PM
The word I typed was F-R-O-L-I-C-K-I-N-G. Maybe that has a different meaning Stateside but in England it's a totally innocent word.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on August 31, 2010, 02:09:50 PM
The word I typed was F-R-O-L-I-C-K-I-N-G. Maybe that has a different meaning Stateside but in England it's a totally innocent word.
here in the states, it means "using one's tongue on Blondie's Flame-era hairstyle" 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Dunderhead on September 01, 2010, 12:04:45 AM
I love the sound of the piano that got used on Wild Honey/Friends, whatever happened to it?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 01, 2010, 04:07:33 PM
i wonder why sides 1 and 4 would be on the same disc for Endless Summer.  and why is it the Today! Help Me Rhonda.  weird.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: summerinparadise.flac on September 01, 2010, 04:34:35 PM
i wonder why sides 1 and 4 would be on the same disc for Endless Summer.  and why is it the Today! Help Me Rhonda.  weird.

I think Help Me Rhonda was merely an error on the part of those who compiled the first run. Wasn't it fixed in subsequent pressings?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on September 01, 2010, 05:10:53 PM
No, it was never fixed on LP. Nor was it fixed on the Capitol CD. The DCC release is the only one that has the single versions of both, Help Me Rhonda and Be True To Your School.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 01, 2010, 06:05:18 PM
i think i prefer the non cheerleader version of be true to your school.  that might be just cause i heard that one first as a kid


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: GLarson432 on September 01, 2010, 09:35:47 PM
"i think i prefer the non cheerleader version of be true to your school."

That's the first BB record I ever bought.  Right about the time of the JFK assaination.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Beach Head on September 02, 2010, 01:06:30 AM
i wonder why sides 1 and 4 would be on the same disc for Endless Summer.

It was done that way to accommodate playing them on a record changer (one which allowed you to stack up several records on a tall spindle for multiple disc playing) rather than a single-play turntable. By backing side 1 with side 4 and side 2 with side 3, you could stack them so they'd play side 1 first, then side 2 -- that is, the second record (with sides 2 & 3) would be stacked on top of the first record (with sides 1 & 4). The first record would drop and side 1 would play, then the second record would drop and side 2 would play. Then you'd take the two records off the spindle, flip them over as a unit and put them back on the spindle. That would put the first record (with sides 1 & 4) stacked on top of the second record (with sides 2 & 3). Because they'd been flipped over, the second side of each record would then play - that is, the second record (now on the bottom of the stack) would drop and side 3 would play, then the first record (now on the top of the stack) would drop and side 4 would play. Genius, huh?  :-D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 02, 2010, 01:19:38 AM
i wonder why sides 1 and 4 would be on the same disc for Endless Summer.

It was done that way to accommodate playing them on a record changer (one which allowed you to stack up several records on a tall spindle for multiple disc playing) rather than a single-play turntable. By backing side 1 with side 4 and side 2 with side 3, you could stack them so they'd play side 1 first, then side 2 -- that is, the second record (with sides 2 & 3) would be stacked on top of the first record (with sides 1 & 4). The first record would drop and side 1 would play, then the second record would drop and side 2 would play. Then you'd take the two records off the spindle, flip them over as a unit and put them back on the spindle. That would put the first record (with sides 1 & 4) stacked on top of the second record (with sides 2 & 3). Because they'd been flipped over, the second side of each record would then play - that is, the second record (now on the bottom of the stack) would drop and side 3 would play, then the first record (now on the top of the stack) would drop and side 4 would play. Genius, huh?  :-D


Genius? I was just musing on how many pristine and superbly recorded LPs by our Boys must've been damaged beyond comprehension throughout the years... :(


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: gsmile on September 02, 2010, 02:59:51 AM
I love the sound of the piano that got used on Wild Honey/Friends, whatever happened to it?

+1  I never get enough of groovin' to the funky piano sound of that era.  Is this possibly the same piano from the sandbox?  What ever the heck it is, I dig it, man.  It's very "honky tonk" sounding.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 02, 2010, 03:12:46 AM
I love the sound of the piano that got used on Wild Honey/Friends, whatever happened to it?

+1  I never get enough of groovin' to the funky piano sound of that era.  Is this possibly the same piano from the sandbox?  What ever the heck it is, I dig it, man.  It's very "honky tonk" sounding.

Yep. The concept for 'Nashville Sounds' was born in those times. Unfortunately, Brian went to bed for the next 30 years or so, so he did nowt but stuff himself with 8 packs of ciggies each day, 4 turkeys, 20 hamburgers, two bottles of Jack Daniels, and a kilo of cocaïne. So we had to wait some time.

Well, all geniuses have their eccentricities, I guess.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Domino on September 02, 2010, 11:12:06 AM
Where does the song "Everything I need" come from?

What year is the Black Widow demo from? Have Brian written it?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 02, 2010, 11:44:02 AM
Where does the song "Everything I need" come from?

What year is the Black Widow demo from? Have Brian written it?

"Everything I Need" dates from Brian's 'reunion' writing session with Tony Asher circa 1996. Recorded Spring 1997.

"Black Widow" (aka "Let's Do It Again") dates from 1987, and yes, Brian have write the music, lyrics by E. E. Landy. First known sessions were June 1987 in NYC, and again in November, in LA


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Beach Head on September 02, 2010, 01:22:57 PM
Brian have write the music

And the truth shall be revealed! AGD isn't really British. No, he's actually Japanese, and English is his second language! That why he sometimes (as above) reads like those God-awful lyrics translations you find in Japanese issues of BB albums.

Sorry! I couldn't resist!  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on September 02, 2010, 01:28:17 PM
I think AGD was making on comment on Domino's less-than-perfect grammar.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: buddhahat on September 03, 2010, 04:08:21 AM
How come Sea Of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters series of boots finish in 69 with 20/20? Is there a screamingly obvious answer to this that I am overlooking?

Many thanks


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 03, 2010, 04:30:49 AM
How come Sea Of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters series of boots finish in 69 with 20/20? Is there a screamingly obvious answer to this that I am overlooking?

Many thanks

Allegedly, it was because the 'leggers didn't have access to a 16-track machine, hence they could only 'liberate' material that was on 2-, 3-, 4- and 8-track multis. Seems entirely logical to me, but then the words 'logical" and "Beach Boys" have never been happy bedfellows...

Some early Sunflower songs were initially recorded on an 8-track, but they were all transferred to 16-track in October 1969 (see the upcoming edition of ESQ, which is a Sunflower 40th anniversary special, with previously unseen photos from the sessions at Brian's house (many thanks to David Dalton)).


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on September 03, 2010, 08:42:11 AM
Considering Brian's seemingly undiluted interest in living healthy that began in the 1970s if not earlier and is ostensibly still going strong... has he ever been vegetarian? I have no evidence to suggest he has -- maybe he's simply consumed less flesh -- but if you're on the health tip it wouldn't particularly surprise me that he might have tried at one time or another.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on September 03, 2010, 08:49:05 AM
How come Sea Of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters series of boots finish in 69 with 20/20? Is there a screamingly obvious answer to this that I am overlooking?

Many thanks
Yes there is...that's the end of the Capitol Records phase of Beach Boys recorded history.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 03, 2010, 08:55:57 AM
Considering Brian's seemingly undiluted interest in living healthy that began in the 1970s if not earlier and is ostensibly still going strong... has he ever been vegetarian? I have no evidence to suggest he has -- maybe he's simply consumed less flesh -- but if you're on the health tip it wouldn't particularly surprise me that he might have tried at one time or another.

I don't think so. Consider: vegetarianism has the connotation of 'health' for not that very long, IMHO, and even then you have to balance your food intake precisely, e.g. with essential amino acids. Through the '60s and '70s, it was more something of the counterculture, and something for those that hate killing higher animals anyway. I don't see Brain looking in any insecure or contemplative way at a double decker hamburger, wondering about eventual saturated fatty acids in there, or what precious animal had to die to make that thing... before you'd be able to draw one breath, it'd be gone entirely.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: buddhahat on September 04, 2010, 02:41:18 AM
How come Sea Of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters series of boots finish in 69 with 20/20? Is there a screamingly obvious answer to this that I am overlooking?

Many thanks

Allegedly, it was because the 'leggers didn't have access to a 16-track machine, hence they could only 'liberate' material that was on 2-, 3-, 4- and 8-track multis. Seems entirely logical to me, but then the words 'logical" and "Beach Boys" have never been happy bedfellows...

Some early Sunflower songs were initially recorded on an 8-track, but they were all transferred to 16-track in October 1969 (see the upcoming edition of ESQ, which is a Sunflower 40th anniversary special, with previously unseen photos from the sessions at Brian's house (many thanks to David Dalton)).

Thanks for this AGD. I've never seen a copy of ESQ, but a Sunflower edition sounds too good to miss so will look into this.


Yes there is...that's the end of the Capitol Records phase of Beach Boys recorded history.

Didn't occur to me! Thanks Jon.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 04, 2010, 09:39:14 AM
Does anyone know if the Canadian pressing of SMiLE is the same as the US?  

i ordered the vinyl and can't help but notice the "Special Import" distributed by Warner Music Canada sticker on the outer plastic.  

bought it off a third party seller on amazon.com.  I remember hearing that UK pressings tend to not be as good, so i'm just curious.  and wanna make sure i got the good one before opening.  The back of the album still says Manufactured in Burbank, CA.  

the fact that it says "Special Import" possibly makes me think it's an import from the US to Canada that the seller ended up with??


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: John Manning on September 04, 2010, 09:57:18 AM
Brian have write the music

And the truth shall be revealed! AGD isn't really British. No, he's actually Japanese, and English is his second language! That why he sometimes (as above) reads like those God-awful lyrics translations you find in Japanese issues of BB albums.

Sorry! I couldn't resist!  ;D

Andrew, he write tanslationings very good. He top colony man. No diss.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on September 05, 2010, 08:28:31 PM
Was Bruce born in 1942 or 1944?  Several sources have different dates.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 06, 2010, 12:17:52 AM
Was Bruce born in 1942 or 1944?  Several sources have different dates.

1942 - my source is impeccable.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on September 06, 2010, 12:22:40 AM
Was Bruce born in 1942 or 1944?  Several sources have different dates.

1942 - my source is impeccable.  ;D
Well, George Harrison himself did not know the exact date of his birth until he was well in his 40's. I'm just sayin'.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 06, 2010, 01:35:33 AM
Was Bruce born in 1942 or 1944?  Several sources have different dates.

1942 - my source is impeccable.  ;D
Well, George Harrison himself did not know the exact date of his birth until he was well in his 40's. I'm just sayin'.  ;D

Bruce seemed pretty sure.  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: John Manning on September 06, 2010, 02:30:21 AM
Was Bruce born in 1942 or 1944?  Several sources have different dates.

1942 - my source is impeccable.  ;D
Well, George Harrison himself did not know the exact date of his birth until he was well in his 40's. I'm just sayin'.  ;D

Bruce seemed pretty sure.  :)

Ah, that explains why the Mike & Bruce Beach Boys didn't play mainland UK this summer – free bus travel for the over-60s is being abolished.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 07, 2010, 08:50:25 AM
who wrote what for "all i wanna do"?  is the melody from brian or mike pretty much.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 07, 2010, 12:28:42 PM
here's just a general thought, but i wouldn't mind the original version of Big Sur getting a remix/master and put on the supposed upcoming compilation album.  great tune.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: punkinhead on September 07, 2010, 06:13:48 PM
here's just a general thought, but i wouldn't mind the original version of Big Sur getting a remix/master and put on the supposed upcoming compilation album.  great tune.

i agree


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on September 10, 2010, 09:35:53 AM
Did Carl just STOP writing completely after 72 until 78ish? Dennis obviously didn't, but there seems to be no Carl tunes until he starts contributing boring pap for L.A/M.I.U era. Did Rieley staying in Holland put him off? Was he better at hiding his sessions from bootleggers? Did drink and drugs screw up his creativity?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 10, 2010, 10:20:43 AM
Brian and Carl worked on Good Timin' in 74


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 10, 2010, 11:38:57 AM
Don't forget he also co-wrote River Song and Rainbows.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 10, 2010, 11:58:30 AM
Did Carl just STOP writing completely after 72 until 78ish? Dennis obviously didn't, but there seems to be no Carl tunes until he starts contributing boring pap for L.A/M.I.U era. Did Rieley staying in Holland put him off? Was he better at hiding his sessions from bootleggers? Did drink and drugs screw up his creativity?

"Angel Come Home" dates back to about 1976, but offhand, that's about the only title I know of that hails from the 72-78 period. Of course, 1976-78 wasn't the best period of his life...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: kwan_dk on September 10, 2010, 12:58:52 PM
What can people tell me about this version of Caroline No? The vocal is a bit over the top at points but overall I quite like this take.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_kYVBr-3Ac

Is it Hutton like some of the comments imply and if so, what's the story behind it?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 10, 2010, 01:15:40 PM
What can people tell me about this version of Caroline No? The vocal is a bit over the top at points but overall I quite like this take.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_kYVBr-3Ac

Is it Hutton like some of the comments imply and if so, what's the story behind it?

Sounds like Danny.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: BJL on September 10, 2010, 02:53:35 PM
Did Carl just STOP writing completely after 72 until 78ish? Dennis obviously didn't, but there seems to be no Carl tunes until he starts contributing boring pap for L.A/M.I.U era. Did Rieley staying in Holland put him off? Was he better at hiding his sessions from bootleggers? Did drink and drugs screw up his creativity?

"Angel Come Home" dates back to about 1976, but offhand, that's about the only title I know of that hails from the 72-78 period. Of course, 1976-78 wasn't the best period of his life...

Does this mean Angel Come Home was a contender for the "originals" disc of the double album version of what became 15 big ones?  Yet another tune to add to my alt. reality 15 big ones play list!!  (Man that could have been a good record!) 

Also, I seem to recall that in a number of interviews/press from the 15 big ones and just prior period, it is mentioned that Carl is "working on new material" or something along those lines.  I feel like Dennis mentions at some point that both he and carl have a bunch of songs, but that they're sort of holding back and trying to let brian take the reins.  I could be remembering wrong, of course, but I've always wondered what exactly Carl was working on during that period, and how it would have sounded....sadly perhaps, not all song writers commit every idea they have to tape the way Dennis and Brian sometimes seemed to...it's totally possible that Carl wrote songs, kept them in the back of his head for a while, never demoed them, and then eventually forgot how they went.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on September 10, 2010, 04:39:38 PM
Carl wrote "Everybody Knows My Name" is the period mentioned.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: the captain on September 10, 2010, 04:47:09 PM
Certainly with two early '80s solo albums, it's possible that some of those 19 songs had their origins in this period. Though there were also a lot of shows in those years, and so as a bandleader, he had plenty to do. Maybe he just wasn't writing much.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on September 10, 2010, 06:17:32 PM
I sorta had all that in the back of my mind. Carl's addictions, disillusionment over the whole Endless Summer thing, responsibility as a bandleader and his crumbling marriage probably didn't leave a lot of time or inclination to sit down with his guitar.
I don't get it - his songwriting (and by that I don't mean co-writes - i don't think Carl came to Brian with the idea for 'Our Sweet Love', for example) just seems to have been so brief. Maybe he didn't think he was good, but the songs are kind of evidence to the contrary!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: doc smiley on September 10, 2010, 09:07:00 PM
IMHO
Carl really wasn't much of a songwriter...
his best stuff was done with Jack Reiley(sp) and I wonder if this was a case of Carl putting music to Jacks words rather then Jack putting words to Carl's music.
I personally think that Jack doesn't get enough credit for what the two of them did together... and nothing that Carl wrote after Jack left seem to have
much substance... beautiful voice yes, but the songs??
 ^-^


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 10, 2010, 09:33:14 PM
yeah, carl didn't write anything memorable for me. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: grillo on September 10, 2010, 09:40:14 PM
Ya know, one of my first ever posts years ago was a thread i started called  " carl, not that great" and i was basically pointing this stuff out and really got poo-pooed (plus i'm not the biggest fan of his voice and would rather hear mike, denny or bri on any song carl sang, including GOK !!). good to see others are with me on the songwriting thing.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 10, 2010, 10:37:19 PM
i love carl's quiet voice.  wild honey...?? ehhhhhh


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: summerinparadise.flac on September 10, 2010, 10:58:12 PM
i love carl's quiet voice.  wild honey...?? ehhhhhh

I'm the exact opposite! I find he (like Denny) can over sing and be a little overdramatic for me (Only With You on Carnegie for example). But I LOVE it when he rocks out!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on September 11, 2010, 02:35:42 AM
IMHO
Carl really wasn't much of a songwriter...
his best stuff was done with Jack Reiley(sp) and I wonder if this was a case of Carl putting music to Jacks words rather then Jack putting words to Carl's music.
I personally think that Jack doesn't get enough credit for what the two of them did together... and nothing that Carl wrote after Jack left seem to have
much substance
... beautiful voice yes, but the songs??
 ^-^
Not even "Angel Come Home"?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 11, 2010, 02:42:00 AM
Here's a question that makes me shake my head everytime I see a picture of it - Just what was Brian thinking when he went for that one BIG sideburn look around the Smile period??


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ukulelejesus on September 11, 2010, 02:43:21 AM
Speaking as a facial hair, and especially sideburn enthusiast, I can safely say I have no idea. The only explanation I can offer about the One Sideburn is that they had drugs back in the day that we simply can't get these days.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 11, 2010, 02:47:13 AM
IMHO
Carl really wasn't much of a songwriter...
his best stuff was done with Jack Reiley(sp) and I wonder if this was a case of Carl putting music to Jacks words rather then Jack putting words to Carl's music.
I personally think that Jack doesn't get enough credit for what the two of them did together... and nothing that Carl wrote after Jack left seem to have
much substance... beautiful voice yes, but the songs??
 ^-^

I agree about Jack not getting enough credit. Now I could be wrong, as it's late and i've had some drinkies tonight, but didn't Jack only write with the Wilson brothers? Anyone find that kinda odd? It's kinda like the whole Steve Kalenich relationship, minus the whole manager role. But as a manager, Jack did more with the guys and changed their image, more than any other manager, except per say: Murry.

but then again, I've had a few too many, I might not be taking other people and issues in consideration.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 11, 2010, 02:55:48 AM
Speaking as a facial hair, and especially sideburn enthusiast, I can safely say I have no idea. The only explanation I can offer about the One Sideburn is that they had drugs back in the day that we simply can't get these days.

Was Brian perched on such a high pedestal at that point that no one dared tell him he looked an idiot? I'm a beard man myself. I sorta look like a cross between mid 70's Brian and early 80's Carl with it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ukulelejesus on September 11, 2010, 03:01:11 AM
What would you tell a man with only one sideburn? How would you even know what to say?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 11, 2010, 03:17:02 AM
IMHO
Carl really wasn't much of a songwriter...
his best stuff was done with Jack Reiley(sp) and I wonder if this was a case of Carl putting music to Jacks words rather then Jack putting words to Carl's music.
I personally think that Jack doesn't get enough credit for what the two of them did together... and nothing that Carl wrote after Jack left seem to have
much substance... beautiful voice yes, but the songs??
 ^-^

I agree about Jack not getting enough credit. Now I could be wrong, as it's late and i've had some drinkies tonight, but didn't Jack only write with the Wilson brothers? Anyone find that kinda odd? It's kinda like the whole Steve Kalenich relationship, minus the whole manager role. But as a manager, Jack did more with the guys and changed their image, more than any other manager, except per say: Murry.

but then again, I've had a few too many, I might not be taking other people and issues in consideration.

Jack's contributions were lyrical as none of the Wilson were particularly strong lyric writers, wheres the other 3 were. Also Jack did not get on with Mike, Al and especially Bruce on a personal level. I think if he could have, Jack would have been quite happy to pull the Wilsons out of the group and and have them form "The Wilson Brothers".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 11, 2010, 03:39:04 AM
IMHO
Carl really wasn't much of a songwriter...
his best stuff was done with Jack Reiley(sp) and I wonder if this was a case of Carl putting music to Jacks words rather then Jack putting words to Carl's music.
I personally think that Jack doesn't get enough credit for what the two of them did together... and nothing that Carl wrote after Jack left seem to have
much substance... beautiful voice yes, but the songs??
 ^-^

I agree about Jack not getting enough credit. Now I could be wrong, as it's late and i've had some drinkies tonight, but didn't Jack only write with the Wilson brothers? Anyone find that kinda odd? It's kinda like the whole Steve Kalenich relationship, minus the whole manager role. But as a manager, Jack did more with the guys and changed their image, more than any other manager, except per say: Murry.

but then again, I've had a few too many, I might not be taking other people and issues in consideration.

Jack's contributions were lyrical as none of the Wilson were particularly strong lyric writers, wheres the other 3 were. Also Jack did not get on with Mike, Al and especially Bruce on a personal level. I think if he could have, Jack would have been quite happy to pull the Wilsons out of the group and and have them form "The Wilson Brothers".


Right, that's what I was getting at.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 11, 2010, 03:39:28 AM
What would you tell a man with only one sideburn? How would you even know what to say?

Sir, are you on drugs perchance?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 11, 2010, 03:57:55 AM
I was wondering, has anyone here heard any part of the BW/Fred Vail: Cows in the Pasture? I can only assume at least the tracks were laid down. I'm really interested in hearing what a BW/Country/Western feel would sound like. Perhaps like his cut of Cotton Fields on 20/20?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 11, 2010, 04:37:15 AM
From the 'Unreleased' section of 10452:

Cows In The Pasture (Fred Vail)
recorded April 17th-29th 1970
produced by Brian Wilson
Bethany Ann* - There's Always Something There To Remind Me* - Kittens, Kids & Kites - Lucky Billy - Black Man In Georgia - One Woman Won't Hold Me - Why Don't You Give Her To Me - If You're Not Loving, You're Not Living - All For The Love Of A Girl* - Only The Lonely* - Carolina On My Mind - My Way Of Life - A Fool Such As I* - You Pass Me By - I Can't Help It If I'm Still In Love With You
[titles noted * had vocals recorded]
 
   Fred Vail's connection with The Beach Boys began as a teenager in May 1963 when he staged a show in Sacramento, and continued as their promoter until they severed links amid some acrimony in the mid-seventies (although he remained especially close to Dennis). Exactly why Brian decided to embark on this particular project - a country album - is yet another minor BB mystery (unless, of course, Brian was making an oblique point; however it's more likely that he was merely doing a favor a friend). At four sessions over the course of twelve days in Wally Heider's studio, Brian, with Fred & Diane Rovell (as contractor) produced tracks for the fifteen titles listed above, using the following country luminaries:
 
piano: Glen D. Hardin
guitar: James Burton, Fredyy Weller & Glen Keener
bass: Keith Allison (electric) & Red Wooten (upright)
drums: Dennis St. John
fiddle: Gordon Terry
steel guitar: Buddy Emmons, Red Rhodes & JD Maness
bottleneck guitar: Gib Guilbeau
 
As might have been expected, Brian then lost interest in the project, but not before vocals had been recorded for five songs. For pretty well all its known existence, the album was simply referred to as "Fred Vail's country album", but Kurt Ackerman recalls Bruce giving it this title at a Carnegie Hall gig just before he left the band. However, when questioned directly, Fred himself stated that the album had no title.
Possibility of release: given that a) the album is incomplete and b) Vail's voice has been described (by Brian) as "far out", exceedingly slim… but it would be interesting to hear Brian's sole foray into the country field.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 11, 2010, 04:55:18 AM
What would you tell a man with only one sideburn? How would you even know what to say?

Sir, are you on drugs perchance?

Or "Hey Bri, are you aware that you only have one sideburn?"


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: doc smiley on September 11, 2010, 05:00:43 AM
IMHO
Carl really wasn't much of a songwriter...
his best stuff was done with Jack Reiley(sp) and I wonder if this was a case of Carl putting music to Jacks words rather then Jack putting words to Carl's music.
I personally think that Jack doesn't get enough credit for what the two of them did together... and nothing that Carl wrote after Jack left seem to have
much substance
... beautiful voice yes, but the songs??
 ^-^
Not even "Angel Come Home"?

yes, that was a good one,
but I still have 4 fingers left on my right hand...( if you know what I mean  ::)  )


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 11, 2010, 05:08:17 AM
What would you tell a man with only one sideburn? How would you even know what to say?

Sir, are you on drugs perchance?

Or "Hey Bri, are you aware that you only have one sideburn?"

Reply: "Really?? Now that's funny.... HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!"


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on September 11, 2010, 05:41:40 AM
No dude, Brian would just giggle at you about the one sideburn and go "Yeah man, groovy isn't it?!" and then smoke some more hash!

Also, Rieley was a terrible lyricist and he did no favours for the Wilsons in this regard. The lyrics are bad enough that I find them actively awful even though I'm sure they're meant to simply sound nice with the music and not be, you know, noticed beyond how they sound. He was way too verbose for his own (let alone the Beach Boys') good. Even though the lyrics to, say, "Don't Go Near The Water" are naive as hell they're still better than the lyrics to "Feel Flows". I like Carl's voice though; he saved those songs by that virtue (along with the music he created) almost entirely.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on September 11, 2010, 07:08:09 AM
I think grillo is in the minority regarding Carl's voice. I can listen to Carl sing all day long. He definitely had the most versatile voice in the band.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: grillo on September 11, 2010, 07:21:07 AM
I think grillo is in the minority regarding Carl's voice. I can listen to Carl sing all day long. He definitely had the most versatile voice in the band.
Yup, like a minority of one. Still, for whatever reason, i can't get into carl's singing, except in an ironic way, like when he's obviously wasted on something (life is for the living...actually most of his singing during the '76-'78 period when he had the back pain/heroin thing going on), although I think he sounds pretty good on the later stuff (Kokomo and Somewhere near Japan.) I realize I'm alone here...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on September 11, 2010, 08:14:43 AM
Whoa, I didn't know Carl had a heroin addiction! I suppose it's not surprising given it's one of the Wilson brothers but... I just figured he was the least troubled one for whatever reason. (http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-shobon.gif) I guess it's mainly because I know virtually nothing about him whereas his brothers are better known. (Did Dennis or Brian do heroin at any point with or because of Carl?)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on September 11, 2010, 08:33:03 AM
Someone will no doubt correct me, but he was on heroin (by no means his only vice then - he liked a drink)for possibly a year or two after his wife left him, quitting after the dreadful 1978 Austrailia tour. Denny and Brian took heroin around the early 80's, I believe.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on September 11, 2010, 09:21:04 AM
Someone will no doubt correct me, but he was on heroin (by no means his only vice then - he liked a drink)for possibly a year or two after his wife left him, quitting after the dreadful 1978 Austrailia tour. Denny and Brian took heroin around the early 80's, I believe.
Someone will correct you...no doubt. Karen Lamm was (she admitted to me) the initial heroin connection for the Wilsons, or at least Dennis and Carl who probably began dabbling in '76 or '77. Brian, I have no idea...i think he'd pretty much do whatever was in front of him going back to the late '60's. He most definitely found his way to the H as well, but whether he got there first or last I don't know. The thing about the Wilsons is they all had addictive tendencies. Carl gets a break from historians because he always seemed so well adjusted compared to his brothers. But there's a combination genetic and emotional proclivity toward substance abuse they all had to deal with, Carl got his under control but in reality it certainly could have been an addiction that led to his cancer, Brian cheated death many times and got away but worse for the wear, Dennis' addictions pretty much did him in. Sorry if people don't like to hear it, but that's a major part of the Wilson's story. They were brilliant, they were human, they were haunted, and they tried chasing the darkness away by getting loaded...a lot.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: the captain on September 11, 2010, 09:24:51 AM
Carl gets a break from historians because he always seemed so well adjusted compared to his brothers.
I really appreciate you posting that, Jon. Because we see again and again the obvious, one- or two-word descriptions of the brothers (and the others in the band). They're easy, but they're just not anywhere near representative.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 11, 2010, 09:39:07 AM
Someone will no doubt correct me, but he was on heroin (by no means his only vice then - he liked a drink)for possibly a year or two after his wife left him, quitting after the dreadful 1978 Austrailia tour. Denny and Brian took heroin around the early 80's, I believe.
Someone will correct you...no doubt. Karen Lamm was (she admitted to me) the initial heroin connection for the Wilsons, or at least Dennis and Carl who probably began dabbling in '76 or '77. Brian, I have no idea...i think he'd pretty much do whatever was in front of him going back to the late '60's. He most definitely found his way to the H as well, but whether he got there first or last I don't know. The thing about the Wilsons is they all had addictive tendencies. Carl gets a break from historians because he always seemed so well adjusted compared to his brothers. But there's a combination genetic and emotional proclivity toward substance abuse they all had to deal with, Carl got his under control but in reality it certainly could have been an addiction that led to his cancer, Brian cheated death many times and got away but worse for the wear, Dennis' addictions pretty much did him in. Sorry if people don't like to hear it, but that's a major part of the Wilson's story. They were brilliant, they were human, they were haunted, and they tried chasing the darkness away by getting loaded...a lot.

Brian was definitely doing horse in the late 70s, '77, '78: it was largely responsible for one of the major traumatic events in his life.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Alex on September 11, 2010, 09:42:22 AM


Brian was definitely doing horse in the late 70s, '77, '78: it was largely responsible for one of the major traumatic events in his life.

And to top it all off, he offered some to Carnie! :afro :smokin :hat 8) ;) 8) ...er, I mean :'( :'(  :'( :-[ :-[ :-[ :( :( :(


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: summerinparadise.flac on September 11, 2010, 10:47:26 AM
Mr. Doe's site has Brian doing working on "Terri, She Needs Me" during BW88 sessions. I'm assuming this is the same song that eventually was released on Imagination. Does anyone know whether this was a complete re-recording BW88 style, or was it a refining of the already recorded track?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on September 11, 2010, 10:52:20 AM
Someone will no doubt correct me, but he was on heroin (by no means his only vice then - he liked a drink)for possibly a year or two after his wife left him, quitting after the dreadful 1978 Austrailia tour. Denny and Brian took heroin around the early 80's, I believe.
Someone will correct you...no doubt. Karen Lamm was (she admitted to me) the initial heroin connection for the Wilsons, or at least Dennis and Carl who probably began dabbling in '76 or '77. Brian, I have no idea...i think he'd pretty much do whatever was in front of him going back to the late '60's. He most definitely found his way to the H as well, but whether he got there first or last I don't know. The thing about the Wilsons is they all had addictive tendencies. Carl gets a break from historians because he always seemed so well adjusted compared to his brothers. But there's a combination genetic and emotional proclivity toward substance abuse they all had to deal with, Carl got his under control but in reality it certainly could have been an addiction that led to his cancer, Brian cheated death many times and got away but worse for the wear, Dennis' addictions pretty much did him in. Sorry if people don't like to hear it, but that's a major part of the Wilson's story. They were brilliant, they were human, they were haunted, and they tried chasing the darkness away by getting loaded...a lot.

Thanks Jon.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Wirestone on September 11, 2010, 11:34:09 AM
Quote
Mr. Doe's site has Brian doing working on "Terri, She Needs Me" during BW88 sessions. I'm assuming this is the same song that eventually was released on Imagination. Does anyone know whether this was a complete re-recording BW88 style, or was it a refining of the already recorded track?

Russ was the major co-producer of BW88, so it makes sense they would think of their 60s-era collaboration and work on it. It doesn't make sense (at least to me) to think they'd use the 60s track. It would have been so far from the sound world of that album as to be in a different universe. I've always assumed it was a complete remake, perhaps only getting to the tracking stage. (But we all know about assumptions ...)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on September 11, 2010, 06:32:29 PM
Has Brian -- or any of the Beach Boys for that matter -- ever listened to Joni Mitchell? If so, what did they think? Too "Laurel Canyon" for them?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 12, 2010, 12:19:11 AM
Has Brian -- or any of the Beach Boys for that matter -- ever listened to Joni Mitchell? If so, what did they think? Too "Laurel Canyon" for them?

Given the circles Brian was moving in at the time, I'd be amazed if he wasn't at least aware of her (the Cros probably saw to that): likewise Dennis, albeit for entirely different reasons.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: XY on September 12, 2010, 12:41:11 AM
She was one of the grammy nominations for "Best Female Pop Vocal Performance" Brian & Dennis moderated in 1976.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 12, 2010, 02:12:25 AM
Someone will no doubt correct me, but he was on heroin (by no means his only vice then - he liked a drink)for possibly a year or two after his wife left him, quitting after the dreadful 1978 Austrailia tour. Denny and Brian took heroin around the early 80's, I believe.
Someone will correct you...no doubt. Karen Lamm was (she admitted to me) the initial heroin connection for the Wilsons, or at least Dennis and Carl who probably began dabbling in '76 or '77. Brian, I have no idea...i think he'd pretty much do whatever was in front of him going back to the late '60's. He most definitely found his way to the H as well, but whether he got there first or last I don't know. The thing about the Wilsons is they all had addictive tendencies. Carl gets a break from historians because he always seemed so well adjusted compared to his brothers. But there's a combination genetic and emotional proclivity toward substance abuse they all had to deal with, Carl got his under control but in reality it certainly could have been an addiction that led to his cancer, Brian cheated death many times and got away but worse for the wear, Dennis' addictions pretty much did him in. Sorry if people don't like to hear it, but that's a major part of the Wilson's story. They were brilliant, they were human, they were haunted, and they tried chasing the darkness away by getting loaded...a lot.

From a much more distant perspective: I think this nails it down. From what I learned from several books: Murry's dad was very abusive. Murry was. Both were alcoholics. Murry smoked. Don't know if Audree did, but I read somewhere that she used to drink.

Haunted? That's a metaphorical way of phrasing it, but it fits. There was, as for violence, harrassment, and abuse, a grim determinism workin in the family. Terrorizing your own, even if it is ultimately meant to make them achieve, makes them predisposed for severe mood disorders and depression. Major depression, not your everyday little dips. People who grew up under such circumstances tend to self-medicate a lot in later life. Well, all you need to complete the picture are quite permissive surroundings ('60s pop culture, drugs, alcohol, tobacco). You have a vicious circle that seems to fuel itself in terms of human damage.

Genetic susceptibility may also play a part. The interaction between tiny mutations in genes, and the environment (personal experience) is extremely complex. For instance: parents that smoke and drink (esp. the mother, during pregnancy) run a risk that their offspring will have a changed expression of a number of genes. The substances these genes 'stand for' in your body may be produced less, or more, as a result. One or more messenger molecules in your brain may be decreased, and depression is the result.

I don't want to moralize; just wanted to add to Jon's opinion, which I find terse and very clear.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don't Back Down on September 12, 2010, 08:17:53 PM
I guess this is as good of thread to ask as any:

For anyone who bought the vinyl edition of Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin:
I ordered this item and the first copy I received from Amazon skipped during the first two tracks.
I asked for an exchange and the replacement I received skips on the first track, but not the second. Did anybody else have this problem - or something similar?
My needle seems to be fine, because it plays all my other records. Maybe I just received badly pressed copies?
Just wondering if I'm the only one who had this happen to them or not.
Thanks!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Custom Machine on September 12, 2010, 09:35:42 PM
I guess this is as good of thread to ask as any:

For anyone who bought the vinyl edition of Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin:
I ordered this item and the first copy I received from Amazon skipped during the first two tracks.
I asked for an exchange and the replacement I received skips on the first track, but not the second. Did anybody else have this problem - or something similar?
My needle seems to be fine, because it plays all my other records. Maybe I just received badly pressed copies?
Just wondering if I'm the only one who had this happen to them or not.
Thanks!

My vinyl copy plays fine.  But, for all the hype surrounding vinyl, it still has a number of potential issues, including warps, clicks and pops, and other surface noise.  Although most of today's vinyl is pressed on thick 180 gram vinyl, my experience has been that the pressing quality of most vinyl today is just mediocre, and overall is not up to the standards of the best high quality audiophile stuff available in the 70s and 80s.  This could be due to the fact that few vinyl pressing plants are still around, and from what I've heard, they are running at capacity.

I have returned some recent vinyl purchases due to these issues, but ya gotta remember that vinyl, by its very nature, is far more prone to flaws than CDs.  However, the larger graphics are totally cool compared to the much smaller graphics found on CDs.

Check your BWRG disc for warps by looking at the disc from the side as it plays.   Mistracking due to warps is most pronounced at the outer edges of the vinyl, which is what you are experiencing.  Another issue could be your stylus tracking force is set too low.  If you have a stylus pressure gauge, check your tracking force to see if it is within the specified range, assuming you have paperwork indicating what that is.  Otherwise, if no warps seems to be apparent, try setting it a little higher to see if that solves the problem.

How was the packaging from Amazon?  Their prices are good, but I have been very disappointed by their cheap vinyl LP packaging.  I have returned two vinyl albums to Amazon due to the covers getting beat up due their cheap packaging. Then again, I also returned my first copy of the BWRG CD I got from them, as it was shipped in a cheap bubble pack envelope, and and the plastic tray on the digipac was completely cracked from one end to the other.  They shipped the replacement in the same cheap packaging, but the second one arrived in fine condition.  This wouldn't have been an issue for me if BWRG was a jewel box CD, as I would have simply junked the cracked jewel box and placed the CD and inserts in a new jewel box.  But, that being said, I do have a distinct preference for digipacs as opposed to jewel boxes.



 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on September 13, 2010, 01:21:25 AM
Ok, here's an odd question. When and why did carl change his hair style? I HATE his hair from about 1986, to the end of his career. It bugs me to no end!  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on September 13, 2010, 08:04:55 AM
Wondering if anyone out here is good with making cover art.  I'm looking for cool cover art for my own version of Friends, Reverberation, Sunflower and Landlocked albums. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 13, 2010, 06:37:36 PM
Wondering if anyone out here is good with making cover art.  I'm looking for cool cover art for my own version of Friends, Reverberation, Sunflower and Landlocked albums. 

I'm good with ideas, but nothing concrete.

BTW, my fav Landlocked cover is the one that's a throwback to the All Summer Long photo with the drawing of the sun and photos from 20/20 photo shoot (without Brian) and Sunflower outtake photos


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on September 14, 2010, 08:04:45 AM
Wondering if anyone out here is good with making cover art.  I'm looking for cool cover art for my own version of Friends, Reverberation, Sunflower and Landlocked albums. 

I'm good with ideas, but nothing concrete.

BTW, my fav Landlocked cover is the one that's a throwback to the All Summer Long photo with the drawing of the sun and photos from 20/20 photo shoot (without Brian) and Sunflower outtake photos

Thinking of using the back of 20/20 (the blurry, in movement pic) for Reverberation, other than that though I'm stuck.  I don't like the Friends Cover (my version is a double album), I do like the Surf's Up cover, so maybe I'll just change the title and use that for Landlocked.   I'm making these for my own enjoyment, but also as gifts to someone that I hope will see the band in a different light.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 14, 2010, 09:38:20 AM
Wondering if anyone out here is good with making cover art.  I'm looking for cool cover art for my own version of Friends, Reverberation, Sunflower and Landlocked albums. 

I'm good with ideas, but nothing concrete.

BTW, my fav Landlocked cover is the one that's a throwback to the All Summer Long photo with the drawing of the sun and photos from 20/20 photo shoot (without Brian) and Sunflower outtake photos

Thinking of using the back of 20/20 (the blurry, in movement pic) for Reverberation, other than that though I'm stuck.  I don't like the Friends Cover (my version is a double album), I do like the Surf's Up cover, so maybe I'll just change the title and use that for Landlocked.   I'm making these for my own enjoyment, but also as gifts to someone that I hope will see the band in a different light.

I'd like to see what you got when your done


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 14, 2010, 10:13:14 AM
Wondering if anyone out here is good with making cover art.  I'm looking for cool cover art for my own version of Friends, Reverberation, Sunflower and Landlocked albums. 

I'm gonna have this chiselled on my tombstone, but...

No Landlocked album - never was, never will be. It was the working title for Surf's Up for, oh, maybe three weeks, a month. That's all.

Take it you'll also be making your versions of A Doll's House, Everest or Liverpool Childhood ?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on September 14, 2010, 10:15:13 AM
Wondering if anyone out here is good with making cover art.  I'm looking for cool cover art for my own version of Friends, Reverberation, Sunflower and Landlocked albums. 

I'm good with ideas, but nothing concrete.

BTW, my fav Landlocked cover is the one that's a throwback to the All Summer Long photo with the drawing of the sun and photos from 20/20 photo shoot (without Brian) and Sunflower outtake photos

Thinking of using the back of 20/20 (the blurry, in movement pic) for Reverberation, other than that though I'm stuck.  I don't like the Friends Cover (my version is a double album), I do like the Surf's Up cover, so maybe I'll just change the title and use that for Landlocked.   I'm making these for my own enjoyment, but also as gifts to someone that I hope will see the band in a different light.

I'd like to see what you got when your done

I'll be more than happy to share whatever I can come up with.  I was asking people here because i no longer have a decent photo program to mess with stuff (had photoshop at one point, miss that), and I'm not the greatest at designing such things anyway, but I'll see what i can come up with.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on September 14, 2010, 10:19:29 AM
Wondering if anyone out here is good with making cover art.  I'm looking for cool cover art for my own version of Friends, Reverberation, Sunflower and Landlocked albums. 

I'm gonna have this chiselled on my tombstone, but...

No Landlocked album - never was, never will be. It was the working title for Surf's Up for, oh, maybe three weeks, a month. That's all.

Take it you'll also be making your versions of A Doll's House, Everest or Liverpool Childhood ?

Wait, in no way was I meaning to say there WAS EVER an actual album called Landlocked -  I was just going to use that as the title for this particular compilation of songs I am making for myself and a friend.  I was also going to call it Long Promised Road at one point.   


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 14, 2010, 10:11:45 PM
Wondering if anyone out here is good with making cover art.  I'm looking for cool cover art for my own version of Friends, Reverberation, Sunflower and Landlocked albums. 

I'm gonna have this chiselled on my tombstone, but...

No Landlocked album - never was, never will be. It was the working title for Surf's Up for, oh, maybe three weeks, a month. That's all.

Take it you'll also be making your versions of A Doll's House, Everest or Liverpool Childhood ?

Wait, in no way was I meaning to say there WAS EVER an actual album called Landlocked -  I was just going to use that as the title for this particular compilation of songs I am making for myself and a friend.  I was also going to call it Long Promised Road at one point.   

Honestly, I always like to consider Landlocked an outtake album of the era from Breakaway to Surf's Up...I know it's not official but fun to label.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 15, 2010, 09:12:27 AM
i'd love if brian did "busy doin nothin" live.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 15, 2010, 09:19:08 AM
i'd love if brian did "busy doin nothin" live.

Yeah. With an old bakelite dial-up on his keyboard.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Custom Machine on September 15, 2010, 01:51:16 PM

I'm gonna have this chiselled on my tombstone, but...

No Landlocked album - never was, never will be. It was the working title for Surf's Up for, oh, maybe three weeks, a month. That's all.


But I've owned the Landlocked album for years!

Wait ... could it be, gasp, that my copy of Landlocked is a bootleg??   :)




Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 15, 2010, 02:01:26 PM

I'm gonna have this chiselled on my tombstone, but...

No Landlocked album - never was, never will be. It was the working title for Surf's Up for, oh, maybe three weeks, a month. That's all.


But I've owned the Landlocked album for years!

Wait ... could it be, gasp, that my copy of Landlocked is a bootleg??   :)


Well... y'know... I'd be dubious.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 15, 2010, 02:29:15 PM
Uh, gee, how 'bout Remember the Zoo?

^_^


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 15, 2010, 02:35:53 PM
Uh, gee, how 'bout Remember the Zoo?

^_^

It was better they never released it. It sucked.  :ahh


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Emdeeh on September 15, 2010, 03:07:16 PM
i'd love if brian did "busy doin nothin" live.

He did it at one of the CWF shows.




Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 15, 2010, 03:16:33 PM
Uh, gee, how 'bout Remember the Zoo?

^_^

It was better they never released it. It sucked.  :ahh

:lol

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Quote from: Runaways on Today at 11:12:27 AM
i'd love if brian did "busy doin nothin" live.

He did it at one of the CWF shows.

Would kill to hear that. Wish he'd start doing it again.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 15, 2010, 04:07:00 PM
i'd love if brian did "busy doin nothin" live.

He did it at one of the CWF shows.

Also did it during his UK summer 2002 tour.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Custom Machine on September 15, 2010, 04:15:10 PM

I'm gonna have this chiselled on my tombstone, but...

No Landlocked album - never was, never will be. It was the working title for Surf's Up for, oh, maybe three weeks, a month. That's all.


But I've owned the Landlocked album for years!

Wait ... could it be, gasp, that my copy of Landlocked is a bootleg??   :)


Well... y'know... I'd be dubious.

I just realized my copy of the Landlocked album has gotta be legit, because no one on this board owns any bootlegs!




Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on September 15, 2010, 05:55:00 PM
What took you so long?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on September 15, 2010, 07:30:56 PM
When/why did Carl start doing the Bicycle Rider line during performances of Heroes and Villains?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: MBE on September 15, 2010, 09:28:17 PM
Yeah I don't like Carl's later hair do either. Last time it looked really good was probably 1983.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: rab2591 on September 16, 2010, 07:52:53 AM
Anyone else know the 'Many Moods Of Murry Wilson' is available on mp3 from amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/Moods-Murry-Wilson-digital-booklet/dp/B001KSRUEK/ref=dm_cd_album_lnk_alt (http://www.amazon.com/Moods-Murry-Wilson-digital-booklet/dp/B001KSRUEK/ref=dm_cd_album_lnk_alt)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: bgas on September 16, 2010, 08:43:11 AM
Anyone else know the 'Many Moods Of Murry Wilson' is available on mp3 from amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/Moods-Murry-Wilson-digital-booklet/dp/B001KSRUEK/ref=dm_cd_album_lnk_alt (http://www.amazon.com/Moods-Murry-Wilson-digital-booklet/dp/B001KSRUEK/ref=dm_cd_album_lnk_alt)

Buying it to collect it, I see that. 
Getting it to actually listen?  WHA?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: rab2591 on September 16, 2010, 08:55:37 AM
Anyone else know the 'Many Moods Of Murry Wilson' is available on mp3 from amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/Moods-Murry-Wilson-digital-booklet/dp/B001KSRUEK/ref=dm_cd_album_lnk_alt (http://www.amazon.com/Moods-Murry-Wilson-digital-booklet/dp/B001KSRUEK/ref=dm_cd_album_lnk_alt)

Buying it to collect it, I see that.  
Getting it to actually listen?  WHA?

Eh, I just gave it an honest first time listen. As the liner notes (for the mp3 album) say (paraphrasing): Brian was inspired by the same music his father listened to (Four Freshmen, Martin Denny, Les Baxster) of which inspired this album - This album has an incredible exotica vibe on it.

Yes, some songs (The Happy Song, Plumbers Tune) sound like they are straight from the Lawrence Welk show (and I know Murry wrote songs for the show) but most have a great Nelson Riddle/Henry Mancini feel.

Thoroughly enjoying it thus far. I have to say 'Islands In The Sky' is THE best 'lounge' tune I have ever heard.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 16, 2010, 09:10:35 AM
Shame he didn't throw "Two Step, Side Step" on there.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 16, 2010, 09:18:58 AM
Shame he didn't throw "Two Step, Side Step" on there.

and Kentucky Fried Chicken!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Menace Wilson on September 16, 2010, 11:24:55 AM
Eh, I just gave it an honest first time listen. As the liner notes (for the mp3 album) say (paraphrasing): Brian was inspired by the same music his father listened to (Four Freshmen, Martin Denny, Les Baxster) of which inspired this album - This album has an incredible exotica vibe on it.

Hell yeah!  I'm listening to snippets on amazon.  Am seriously digging some of the more Les Baxter-esque tunes!  Helps explain some of Baxter/Denny-isms in BW's stuff.  


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: rab2591 on September 16, 2010, 01:20:24 PM
Eh, I just gave it an honest first time listen. As the liner notes (for the mp3 album) say (paraphrasing): Brian was inspired by the same music his father listened to (Four Freshmen, Martin Denny, Les Baxster) of which inspired this album - This album has an incredible exotica vibe on it.

Hell yeah!  I'm listening to snippets on amazon.  Am seriously digging some of the more Les Baxter-esque tunes!  Helps explain some of Baxter/Denny-isms in BW's stuff.  

I very much recommend it! Besides the two Lawrence-Welk-like songs that I mentioned previously I find the album to be full of great songs.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on September 16, 2010, 04:15:24 PM
Just to let you know, Us Britishers can listen to it on Spotify.... Don't let me suffer alone!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on September 16, 2010, 08:05:21 PM
Who is "kenny"? On the Hartford 1973 recording, several references to "kenny" were made. Al says something like "Kenny has been found, so you can stop looking".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 16, 2010, 08:50:56 PM
On the documentary: Endless Harmony, during the section of touring (68-69) in Europe...it seems like footage is taken from another documentary with commentary by the Beach Boys while walking around. Mike's talking about being a tourist in England I believe and talking about the 'Lou' in the middle of the street (if that's what you call it) and Country Air is playing in the background. Dennis is sleeping on a train, narrating about a girl he met that night and I Went to Sleep is in the background. And Al's walking around with Our Prayer. What doc. was this from? Were the tracks added for that doc. or for EH? They're not very audible.


Oh, also, it's where Bruce is "directing" in the park and part of Loop De Loop (track) is playing in the background.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Don't Back Down on September 16, 2010, 09:33:12 PM
My vinyl copy plays fine.  But, for all the hype surrounding vinyl, it still has a number of potential issues, including warps, clicks and pops, and other surface noise.  Although most of today's vinyl is pressed on thick 180 gram vinyl, my experience has been that the pressing quality of most vinyl today is just mediocre, and overall is not up to the standards of the best high quality audiophile stuff available in the 70s and 80s.  This could be due to the fact that few vinyl pressing plants are still around, and from what I've heard, they are running at capacity.

I have returned some recent vinyl purchases due to these issues, but ya gotta remember that vinyl, by its very nature, is far more prone to flaws than CDs.  However, the larger graphics are totally cool compared to the much smaller graphics found on CDs.

Check your BWRG disc for warps by looking at the disc from the side as it plays.   Mistracking due to warps is most pronounced at the outer edges of the vinyl, which is what you are experiencing.  Another issue could be your stylus tracking force is set too low.  If you have a stylus pressure gauge, check your tracking force to see if it is within the specified range, assuming you have paperwork indicating what that is.  Otherwise, if no warps seems to be apparent, try setting it a little higher to see if that solves the problem.

How was the packaging from Amazon?  Their prices are good, but I have been very disappointed by their cheap vinyl LP packaging.  I have returned two vinyl albums to Amazon due to the covers getting beat up due their cheap packaging. Then again, I also returned my first copy of the BWRG CD I got from them, as it was shipped in a cheap bubble pack envelope, and and the plastic tray on the digipac was completely cracked from one end to the other.  They shipped the replacement in the same cheap packaging, but the second one arrived in fine condition.  This wouldn't have been an issue for me if BWRG was a jewel box CD, as I would have simply junked the cracked jewel box and placed the CD and inserts in a new jewel box.  But, that being said, I do have a distinct preference for digipacs as opposed to jewel boxes.

Thanks for the reply Custom Machine! Much appreciated. I don't mind extra sounds (as long as it's not extreme) on vinyl records. Like surface noise, some clicks and pops, especially on older records, it adds something to the album imo. They packed the item in a medium sized box, with bubble packets, probably what you described your CD was shipped in.
Is that the proper way to ship vinyl? I've received vinyl different ways from won auctions on eBay and purchases from other websites.
I didn't see anything wrong with the disc as far as warps or anything, though I don't know exactly what to look for. What would they look like exactly?
I tried applying different pressure but that didn't cease it from skipping-even used the anti-skate function. And what do you mean by setting it a little higher, the pressure gauge or the speed of the record playing? Sorry to hear you had a problem with your CD shipment, glad you were able to get it straightened out, unlike my vinyl situation here it seems.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on September 16, 2010, 10:06:48 PM
On the documentary: Endless Harmony, during the section of touring (68-69) in Europe...it seems like footage is taken from another documentary with commentary by the Beach Boys while walking around. Mike's talking about being a tourist in England I believe and talking about the 'Lou' in the middle of the street (if that's what you call it) and Country Air is playing in the background. Dennis is sleeping on a train, narrating about a girl he met that night and I Went to Sleep is in the background. And Al's walking around with Our Prayer. What doc. was this from? Were the tracks added for that doc. or for EH? They're not very audible.


Oh, also, it's where Bruce is "directing" in the park and part of Loop De Loop (track) is playing in the background.
That's all from the late '68 to '69 European tour documentary filmed by Vic Kettle...which was unreleased/unfinished...but snuck out for a minute via gray market a couple of years ago. The soundtrack is dubbed on top of the silent footage in a sometimes random and amateurish way...but that footage is gold. The doc. ran about 60 minutes...but there's another 60 to 90 minutes of unedited footage that exists.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 16, 2010, 10:32:44 PM
I wish these things would get a release!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on September 17, 2010, 05:57:11 AM
On the documentary: Endless Harmony, during the section of touring (68-69) in Europe...it seems like footage is taken from another documentary with commentary by the Beach Boys while walking around. Mike's talking about being a tourist in England I believe and talking about the 'Lou' in the middle of the street (if that's what you call it) and Country Air is playing in the background. Dennis is sleeping on a train, narrating about a girl he met that night and I Went to Sleep is in the background. And Al's walking around with Our Prayer. What doc. was this from? Were the tracks added for that doc. or for EH? They're not very audible.


Oh, also, it's where Bruce is "directing" in the park and part of Loop De Loop (track) is playing in the background.
That's all from the late '68 to '69 European tour documentary filmed by Vic Kettle...which was unreleased/unfinished...but snuck out for a minute via gray market a couple of years ago. The soundtrack is dubbed on top of the silent footage in a sometimes random and amateurish way...but that footage is gold. The doc. ran about 60 minutes...but there's another 60 to 90 minutes of unedited footage that exists.

I have a bunch of still photos form that tour/time( non-concert). I wonder if I got them from the same person responsible for the gray market video, which I don't think I got...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: rab2591 on September 19, 2010, 01:13:23 PM
Since SMiLE was never an official album will Capitol even bother to release a boxset?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 19, 2010, 01:16:49 PM
isn't the issue more that brian doesn't want it


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: rab2591 on September 19, 2010, 01:23:13 PM
isn't the issue more that brian doesn't want it

But even if he wanted it there isn't much of a market for a boxset (as much as say Pet Sounds)...so in lieu of that, would Capitol even bother to take the chance in the market?

(I know nothing of how much this stuff costs to make, or the "risk" involved for Capitol, so pardon my ignorance  :) )


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: the captain on September 19, 2010, 01:35:48 PM
As a niche market product, there is a huge market for a box set. There is no true Smile album (unless you count BWPS), but there is a true Smile legend and a relatively small but proven-dedicated market. They can sell a package--as long as it consists of something more than just music, which is easy enough to share for free (ahem...)--for way above what that number of minutes of music should cost, because there is this ridiculously interested group of people who will buy anything new. The general public won't care and it won't chart, but if you're selling a 2-disc set for, say, $30 apiece at a limited run, you'll make out just fine. Because everyone here would bitch like mad about it, but they'd buy it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: rab2591 on September 19, 2010, 01:56:01 PM
As a niche market product, there is a huge market for a box set. There is no true Smile album (unless you count BWPS), but there is a true Smile legend and a relatively small but proven-dedicated market. They can sell a package--as long as it consists of something more than just music, which is easy enough to share for free (ahem...)--for way above what that number of minutes of music should cost, because there is this ridiculously interested group of people who will buy anything new. The general public won't care and it won't chart, but if you're selling a 2-disc set for, say, $30 apiece at a limited run, you'll make out just fine. Because everyone here would bitch like mad about it, but they'd buy it.

Yeah, I suppose most of those who bought the Pet Sounds boxset would buy the SMiLE boxset. I'd settle for a two-disc $30 set....oooooh to hear 'Holidays' in proper quality......

Any chance any sort of SMiLE set comes out in the next two years?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on September 19, 2010, 07:48:41 PM
Who is "kenny"? On the Hartford 1973 recording, several references to "kenny" were made. Al says something like "Kenny has been found, so you can stop looking".
Can anybody answer this?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 19, 2010, 11:39:34 PM
Loo - a place where you take a sh*t
Lou - talented NY rock star who is, nevertheless, given to spouting a lot of sh*t


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 20, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
Who is "kenny"? On the Hartford 1973 recording, several references to "kenny" were made. Al says something like "Kenny has been found, so you can stop looking".
Oh my god? They mentioned Kenny?

Those bastards.

^_^

Seriously, though, I honestly have no idea. It might be lost to time, much like the identity of "Amy".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 20, 2010, 12:47:10 AM
Who is "kenny"? On the Hartford 1973 recording, several references to "kenny" were made. Al says something like "Kenny has been found, so you can stop looking".
Can anybody answer this?

In-joke reference to Kenny & The Cadets?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on September 20, 2010, 01:26:52 AM
Was  there any missing child case from the Hartford area at around that time? The way Al says it makes it seems like something was going on.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on September 20, 2010, 11:14:41 AM
Could've been a kid who got lost at the concert, parents contacted reception/ticket sale/whatever, band announced it from stage, band got news from reception that Kenny got found.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 20, 2010, 11:17:04 AM
Who here has heard Curt Boettcher's California Music album? How many binbags full of blow did it take to convince Brian Wilson to be involved with THAT?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 20, 2010, 12:50:59 PM
Who here has heard Curt Boettcher's California Music album? How many binbags full of blow did it take to convince Brian Wilson to be involved with THAT?

He wasn't - the liner  notes/credits are totally misleading. The only connection he had with Becher's incarnation of California Music was was playing organ on "California Music", the B side of the "Jamaica Farewell" single.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 20, 2010, 01:29:40 PM
I got the CD today. I was listening to the disco version of "I Can Hear Music" but kept hearing a thumping noise which I can only attribute to Carl Wilson turning over in his grave.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 20, 2010, 02:02:12 PM
Worth it just for "Brand New Old Friends".  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 20, 2010, 02:15:57 PM
For those not in the know, "Brand New Old Friends" is the Bruce Johnston schmaltz x1000 what it was on "Disney Girls".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 20, 2010, 02:46:33 PM
Was this originally written with CATP in mind?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: phirnis on September 20, 2010, 02:52:24 PM
Listening to "Brand New Old Friends" for the first time ever as I type. I've owned the California Music compilation album for quite some time but never made it to track 14 (go figure...). Very pleasant song!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Custom Machine on September 20, 2010, 05:43:30 PM
My vinyl copy plays fine.  But, for all the hype surrounding vinyl, it still has a number of potential issues, including warps, clicks and pops, and other surface noise.  Although most of today's vinyl is pressed on thick 180 gram vinyl, my experience has been that the pressing quality of most vinyl today is just mediocre, and overall is not up to the standards of the best high quality audiophile stuff available in the 70s and 80s.  This could be due to the fact that few vinyl pressing plants are still around, and from what I've heard, they are running at capacity.

I have returned some recent vinyl purchases due to these issues, but ya gotta remember that vinyl, by its very nature, is far more prone to flaws than CDs.  However, the larger graphics are totally cool compared to the much smaller graphics found on CDs.

Check your BWRG disc for warps by looking at the disc from the side as it plays.   Mistracking due to warps is most pronounced at the outer edges of the vinyl, which is what you are experiencing.  Another issue could be your stylus tracking force is set too low.  If you have a stylus pressure gauge, check your tracking force to see if it is within the specified range, assuming you have paperwork indicating what that is.  Otherwise, if no warps seems to be apparent, try setting it a little higher to see if that solves the problem.

How was the packaging from Amazon?  Their prices are good, but I have been very disappointed by their cheap vinyl LP packaging.  I have returned two vinyl albums to Amazon due to the covers getting beat up due their cheap packaging. Then again, I also returned my first copy of the BWRG CD I got from them, as it was shipped in a cheap bubble pack envelope, and and the plastic tray on the digipac was completely cracked from one end to the other.  They shipped the replacement in the same cheap packaging, but the second one arrived in fine condition.  This wouldn't have been an issue for me if BWRG was a jewel box CD, as I would have simply junked the cracked jewel box and placed the CD and inserts in a new jewel box.  But, that being said, I do have a distinct preference for digipacs as opposed to jewel boxes.

Thanks for the reply Custom Machine! Much appreciated. I don't mind extra sounds (as long as it's not extreme) on vinyl records. Like surface noise, some clicks and pops, especially on older records, it adds something to the album imo. They packed the item in a medium sized box, with bubble packets, probably what you described your CD was shipped in.
Is that the proper way to ship vinyl? I've received vinyl different ways from won auctions on eBay and purchases from other websites.
I didn't see anything wrong with the disc as far as warps or anything, though I don't know exactly what to look for. What would they look like exactly?
I tried applying different pressure but that didn't cease it from skipping-even used the anti-skate function. And what do you mean by setting it a little higher, the pressure gauge or the speed of the record playing? Sorry to hear you had a problem with your CD shipment, glad you were able to get it straightened out, unlike my vinyl situation here it seems.

The best way to ship a vinyl LP album is in a cardboard box just slightly larger than the LP itself, with extra cardboard pieces on all sides of the album, so as to protect the album and cover from any shipping damage.  You can add bubble wrap as well, for even better cushioning.  Or, an album can be covered on each side by a piece of cardboard somewhat larger than the album cover, with the corrugations in the two pieces going in perpendicular directions to each other, then taped tightly over the album and placed in a bubble wrap envelope.  When I've gotten vinyl LPs from Amazon, the albums have been loosely placed in a large cardboard box, so that they move around a lot in shipping, and thus sometimes arrive with bent and dinged covers as a result of the movement.  Acoustic Sounds charges more, but their stuff is superbly packed in the manner I first described here.

But, back to your copy of BWRG.  To see if your album is warped, look at it's edge, from the side, when it is playing.  When it's revolving, the edge should look flat or pretty darn close to flat.  If the vinyl raises up at the edge where your mistracking is occurring, then it's definitely being caused by a warp.  (For "set higher" I meant set the tracking force higher.  Good that you checked the anti-skating, as this could also result in problems.)  In any event, since your other albums play fine, I'd definitely return this one.  Amazon is very good on returns of defective albums, paying for the return shipping and sending out a replacement right away, without waiting for the receipt of your defective album.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 21, 2010, 01:12:07 AM
Was this originally written with CATP in mind?

Nope. You might be thinking "Ten Years Harmony" which was demoed during the CATP sessions


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on September 21, 2010, 07:26:45 AM
Was this originally written with CATP in mind?

Nope. You might be thinking "Ten Years Harmony" which was demoed during the CATP sessions

The BB's have endured many credibility knocks throughout the years but I don't think even they could had survived the shame of putting out "Brand New Old Friends".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 21, 2010, 12:03:03 PM
Ah, yeah... Mucho embarrassed, Andrew. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 21, 2010, 12:12:22 PM
Was this originally written with CATP in mind?

Nope. You might be thinking "Ten Years Harmony" which was demoed during the CATP sessions

The BB's have endured many credibility knocks throughout the years but I don't think even they could had survived the shame of putting out "Brand New Old Friends".

A cover of 'Mull Of Kintyre' would have started WW III.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 21, 2010, 02:45:46 PM
Well, they did, kind of... with Little Richard... and it was worse than BNOF: Happy Endings.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on September 22, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
This is my alternate universe album discography thus far.  I share it for your derision, support or comment.   Still no album art, but working on it.  And though my friend is no longer my friend (she never got my BB's thing anyway I guess)  I'm  still gonna make these up for my own enjoyment.

http://luap-esrever.xanga.com/732834979/alternate-bbs-discography/ (http://luap-esrever.xanga.com/732834979/alternate-bbs-discography/)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: donald on September 23, 2010, 06:53:44 PM
Well, they did, kind of... with Little Richard... and it was worse than BNOF: Happy Endings.

That song was used in the Whoopi Goldberg film "The Telephone"......as the credits rolled at the end of a very unhappy ending of a movie as strange as the song itself..........my favorite part of the record is when Bruce Johnson handed  me a promo copy before a concert ....good BB harmony....very schmaltzy Little Richard vocal.  The record was new but they did not perform the song that night.......I wonder which BB might have handled that Lil Richard part? :p


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 23, 2010, 07:30:06 PM
This is my alternate universe album discography thus far.  I share it for your derision, support or comment.   Still no album art, but working on it.  And though my friend is no longer my friend (she never got my BB's thing anyway I guess)  I'm  still gonna make these up for my own enjoyment.

http://luap-esrever.xanga.com/732834979/alternate-bbs-discography/ (http://luap-esrever.xanga.com/732834979/alternate-bbs-discography/)

I like your ideas. I've always been a fan of alternate albums and fan edits. If you need any help on ideas, let me know, I love the different concepts. the Be True to Your School one is really good!
I see where Party/Christmas album/Today! don't have tracks, are you leaving them alone? I think there's enough tracks (released and unreleased) for Party to have it be a double LP. Obviously Today would need Guess I'm Dumb. It'd also be cool to see a couple added from his Pet Projects like say: I Do, After the Game, or She Rides with Me.
And maybe later in the 70s incorporate some American Spring songs like Sweet Mountain or Jan and Brian's Don't Ya Just Know It.
I posted a proposed 1975 album a while ago that used the unreleased recordings from 73-74 and alternate Concert tracks that were to be on the single In Concert album, you should check it out.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on September 23, 2010, 07:33:50 PM
What does Carl say after "A celebration of being together" in Good Timin'?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: gsmile on September 24, 2010, 12:27:24 PM
What does Carl say after "A celebration of being together" in Good Timin'?

I always heard it as "I love...good good timin'"  Sounds like an ad lib that just stuck.  Can't imagine the song without it now.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: metal flake paint on September 24, 2010, 08:30:32 PM
What does Carl say after "A celebration of being together" in Good Timin'?

I always heard it as "I love...good good timin'"  Sounds like an ad lib that just stuck.  Can't imagine the song without it now.

On the original 1974 track with just Carl's lead, he sings, "I love you..." so it must have remained, post-embellishments, for the L.A. (Light Album).


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on September 24, 2010, 08:53:30 PM
Thanks for the help, gsmile and metal flake paint.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on September 27, 2010, 08:05:52 AM
I like your ideas. I've always been a fan of alternate albums and fan edits. If you need any help on ideas, let me know, I love the different concepts. the Be True to Your School one is really good!
I see where Party/Christmas album/Today! don't have tracks, are you leaving them alone? I think there's enough tracks (released and unreleased) for Party to have it be a double LP. Obviously Today would need Guess I'm Dumb. It'd also be cool to see a couple added from his Pet Projects like say: I Do, After the Game, or She Rides with Me.
And maybe later in the 70s incorporate some American Spring songs like Sweet Mountain or Jan and Brian's Don't Ya Just Know It.
I posted a proposed 1975 album a while ago that used the unreleased recordings from 73-74 and alternate Concert tracks that were to be on the single In Concert album, you should check it out.

Thanks Punkinhead.  The ones that aren't complete are only because I haven't gotten a chance to do them yet.    I haven't been able to locate your proposed 1975 album yet, can you link me?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: gsmile on September 27, 2010, 10:23:57 AM
Here's the early version of Good Timin' that Metal Flake Paint was referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJOg_kDRmRo

Never knew that Carl was singing "I love YOU" on the recording.  Very cool!  Although I do like the recording better with the "you" obscured by backing vocals.  "I love good timin'" sounds a little less cheese and more on the side of that mystical, nature-loving Wilson attitude.  As in, he loves good timing as much as some country air and cool clear water.  But maybe I'm reading too much into things.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 27, 2010, 08:26:09 PM
I like your ideas. I've always been a fan of alternate albums and fan edits. If you need any help on ideas, let me know, I love the different concepts. the Be True to Your School one is really good!
I see where Party/Christmas album/Today! don't have tracks, are you leaving them alone? I think there's enough tracks (released and unreleased) for Party to have it be a double LP. Obviously Today would need Guess I'm Dumb. It'd also be cool to see a couple added from his Pet Projects like say: I Do, After the Game, or She Rides with Me.
And maybe later in the 70s incorporate some American Spring songs like Sweet Mountain or Jan and Brian's Don't Ya Just Know It.
I posted a proposed 1975 album a while ago that used the unreleased recordings from 73-74 and alternate Concert tracks that were to be on the single In Concert album, you should check it out.

Thanks Punkinhead.  The ones that aren't complete are only because I haven't gotten a chance to do them yet.    I haven't been able to locate your proposed 1975 album yet, can you link me?

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,8674.0.html


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on September 28, 2010, 12:29:35 PM


Thanks Punkinhead.  The ones that aren't complete are only because I haven't gotten a chance to do them yet.    I haven't been able to locate your proposed 1975 album yet, can you link me?
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http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,8674.0.html
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 :thumbsup  thanks


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on September 28, 2010, 01:39:43 PM
In some interview recently, Brian said he cribbed the bossa-nova style of S'Wonderful from some other dudes version of the same song....

This would be fascinating if I could remember who  ???


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on September 28, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
my mom said that's the popular way to do the song now.  She also gave me the name of someone who did it first, now lots do it like that. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on September 28, 2010, 08:44:37 PM
In some interview recently, Brian said he cribbed the bossa-nova style of S'Wonderful from some other dudes version of the same song....

This would be fascinating if I could remember who  ???

that's awesome, because i kinda took S' Wonderful as a 'busy doin nothin'-like-influence song...and Busy Doin nothing has always been known as bossa nova


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 29, 2010, 12:14:57 AM
In some interview recently, Brian said he cribbed the bossa-nova style of S'Wonderful from some other dudes version of the same song....

This would be fascinating if I could remember who  ???

that's awesome, because i kinda took S' Wonderful as a 'busy doin nothin'-like-influence song...and Busy Doin nothing has always been known as bossa nova

Now listen: I am the Bossa Nova here. Is there another Bossa Nova?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: metal flake paint on September 29, 2010, 02:39:01 AM
Thanks for the help, gsmile and metal flake paint.

You're most welcome. Now that I think of it Carl also sang the "I love you" line live in concert as evidenced by this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIr5BsQXJFI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIr5BsQXJFI&feature=related)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: metal flake paint on September 29, 2010, 03:07:23 AM
Here's the early version of Good Timin' that Metal Flake Paint was referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJOg_kDRmRo

Never knew that Carl was singing "I love YOU" on the recording.  Very cool!  Although I do like the recording better with the "you" obscured by backing vocals.  "I love good timin'" sounds a little less cheese and more on the side of that mystical, nature-loving Wilson attitude.  As in, he loves good timing as much as some country air and cool clear water.  But maybe I'm reading too much into things.  ;D

Here's James Guercio talking a little about recording "Good Timin'" at Caribou Ranch Studio (plus the Beachago tapes). Starts @ 4m:15sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjVNwlFRbMM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjVNwlFRbMM&feature=related)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 29, 2010, 03:28:51 AM
Here's the early version of Good Timin' that Metal Flake Paint was referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJOg_kDRmRo

Never knew that Carl was singing "I love YOU" on the recording.  Very cool!  Although I do like the recording better with the "you" obscured by backing vocals.  "I love good timin'" sounds a little less cheese and more on the side of that mystical, nature-loving Wilson attitude.  As in, he loves good timing as much as some country air and cool clear water.  But maybe I'm reading too much into things.  ;D

Here's James Guercio talking a little about recording "Good Timin'" at Caribou Ranch Studio (plus the Beachago tapes). Starts @ 4m:15sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjVNwlFRbMM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjVNwlFRbMM&feature=related)

Can I state here that I find the Caribou record label image as beautiful as the Brother Indian one? Yes, I think I can.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Sam_BFC on September 29, 2010, 08:44:17 AM
Harpsichord on BWRG:

Real or Fake???? :o



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 29, 2010, 08:56:55 AM
Harpsichord on BWRG:

Real or Fake???? :o



If you ask it this way, it's irrelevant. If I buy a Turkish-made Breitling imitation, and that thing costs me $ 15,00 - and if it runs exactly on time for the rest of my life, and it's made of exactly the same materials as the original, and if no one can discern the difference... the question real or fake has become entirely redundant.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Sam_BFC on September 29, 2010, 09:11:17 AM
I was tryin a be funny cos of the BWPS facade Donny :afro


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on September 29, 2010, 09:20:19 AM
I was tryin a be funny cos of the BWPS facade Donny :afro

Darn, I'm a bit confused. son. Thing is: they're chattin' away here about a 'Bossa Nova' type o'thing. See: I AM the REAL BOSSA NOVA. I don't like another bossa nova around here. Makes me nervous. Does that register with you?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: gsmile on September 29, 2010, 12:59:20 PM
You're most welcome. Now that I think of it Carl also sang the "I love you" line live in concert as evidenced by this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIr5BsQXJFI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIr5BsQXJFI&feature=related)

Love Brian's counter vocal on the last chorus!  Other than the ragged voice, the tone sound quite similar to some of his Sunflower-era adlibs.  Very cool.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: buddhahat on September 30, 2010, 05:00:28 AM
At the beginning of this Bullion remix of I Just Wasn't Made For These Times, there's a sample that sounds like a contemporary cover of the song by The Free design or that type of band. Does anyone know who's cover this is and where to find it? I presume it's a modern cover made to sound like a retro sunshine pop band. Anyway I'm tearing my hear out trying to find whose version this is. Any help much appreciated, as ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lao7fJWbHVE


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 01, 2010, 05:44:51 PM
In the liner notes to the reissued POB, it says something about the original POB album being just remastered. I can't remember exactly how it was put, but there is a sentence along the lines of "the original mix has been left as is, except for a brief "surprise"". What is the "surprise"?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on October 02, 2010, 02:59:22 AM
In the liner notes to the reissued POB, it says something about the original POB album being just remastered. I can't remember exactly how it was put, but there is a sentence along the lines of "the original mix has been left as is, except for a brief "surprise"". What is the "surprise"?

 :o


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 04, 2010, 10:36:21 PM
I tried asking this before, but I don't think I ever got an answer, so I'll try it again. What exactly was Dennis's tattoo of? WHen did he get it?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 05, 2010, 09:24:35 AM
I tried asking this before, but I don't think I ever got an answer, so I'll try it again. What exactly was Dennis's tattoo of? WHen did he get it?
It was a heart that said "Chris" for Christine McVie...then they broke up and he added a "t" to the end.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on October 05, 2010, 09:52:47 AM
Sneaky...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 05, 2010, 10:24:53 AM
Concerning BB promo videos...like Don't Go Near the Water or Getcha Back or Good Timin', is there a source with accurate information?

Or shall we start a good thread on this type of thing? with say a link to a video/pics?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 05, 2010, 11:10:54 AM
In the liner notes to the reissued POB, it says something about the original POB album being just remastered. I can't remember exactly how it was put, but there is a sentence along the lines of "the original mix has been left as is, except for a brief "surprise"". What is the "surprise"?

Does anybody know?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 05, 2010, 11:36:17 AM
i don't.     :-D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on October 05, 2010, 12:12:39 PM
I think I'll play it backwards when I am home tonight. I sense that there might be a 'hidden' Christmas Oratorio by Charlie Manson on it.

6 Cantatas, 6 instrumental interludes, and 6 spoken-word pieces. Genius.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 05, 2010, 05:41:48 PM
In the liner notes to the reissued POB, it says something about the original POB album being just remastered. I can't remember exactly how it was put, but there is a sentence along the lines of "the original mix has been left as is, except for a brief "surprise"". What is the "surprise"?

Does anybody know?
Is it the part in "Thoughts of You" where the music  suddenly gets very loud for a few seconds?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SloopJohnB on October 06, 2010, 08:01:47 AM
In the liner notes to the reissued POB, it says something about the original POB album being just remastered. I can't remember exactly how it was put, but there is a sentence along the lines of "the original mix has been left as is, except for a brief "surprise"". What is the "surprise"?

Does anybody know?
Is it the part in "Thoughts of You" where the music  suddenly gets very loud for a few seconds?

I don't think so - I remember reading this part is very loud because it was supposed to be. I think it was loud too on the original LP - the 1990s CD was quieter, but it wasn't "true" to the original recording.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Stegibo on October 06, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
Did the Beach Boys ever record "Runaway" ?
I just know their great live versions.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 06, 2010, 02:29:25 PM
Did the Beach Boys ever record "Runaway" ?
I just know their great live versions.

Recorded a live version, overdubbed it for single release, had second thoughts and eventually put it out on the 1986 Sunkist album.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on October 06, 2010, 09:05:06 PM
Whose idea was it to put "Our Team" on the Good Vibrations box set? It's a really bad... not even half-baked song. Then again, considering the era they were trying to cherry-pick, I can sort of understand how hard to must have been to do that and not make the BBs seem like utter sh*t. (Hint: It's impossible to do that. And they didn't even include "My Diane"!)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on October 06, 2010, 09:44:56 PM
I was going to make this a topic of its own, but then realized it's more of just an observation (and probably not all that interesting a one other than to me).  I made a list of the BB songs that went top ten (both here in the US and in the UK).
In the US

Surfin' USA (3)
Surfer Girl (7)
Be True To Your School (6)
Fun, Fun, Fun (5)
I Get Around (1)
When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) (9)
Dance, Dance, Dance [8]
Help Me, Rhonda (1)
California Girls (3)
Barbara Ann (2)
Sloop John B (3)
Wouldn't It be Nice [8]
Good Vibrations (1)

One could include their two Christmas hits (both #3 on the Holiday charts) Little Saint Nick and Man With All The Toys and have an album that could legitimately be called 15 Big Ones.  :p
And yes, I suppose if we must - include Kokomo  and make it 16 Big Ones.  ::)

Edit: And I somehow had forgotten about Rock And Roll Music (5), so I guess that's 17 Big Ones!

UK Top Ten

I Get Around (7)
Barbara Ann (3)
Sloop John B (2)
God Only Knows (2)
Good Vibrations (1)
Then I Kissed Her (4)
Heroes And Villains [8]
Do It Again (1)
I Can Here Music (10)
Break Away (6)
Cotton Fields (2)

You could probably throw Darlin' (11) in there as an honorable mention.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 07, 2010, 02:02:19 AM
Whose idea was it to put "Our Team" on the Good Vibrations box set? It's a really bad... not even half-baked song. Then again, considering the era they were trying to cherry-pick, I can sort of understand how hard to must have been to do that and not make the BBs seem like utter merda. (Hint: It's impossible to do that. And they didn't even include "My Diane"!)

You should probably blame the fans. Remember, this was the selection process for the tracks on the box:

1 - Top 40 single hits
2 - established 'classic' tracks (subject to band veto)
3 - archive material (subject to band veto)
4 - gaps filled by the lists solicited from fans worldwide in 1992 (released and unreleased)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on October 07, 2010, 02:35:18 AM
How did they go about soliciting the lists from the fans, may i ask? Putting ads in the fanzines?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on October 07, 2010, 03:39:23 AM
Were the fan songs subject to band veto as well? (I assume they were, but since you didn't write it out, I must ask...)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on October 07, 2010, 06:32:14 AM
Huh, I had no idea about the fourth selection criterion. Well, I blame all of you here, then, for the inclusion of such a horrible song where something less terrible from the same era (yeah, I know, that'd be really hard but I think it could still be done -- heck, they could've given us "Da Doo Ron Ron" or something!) would be much more desirable. Were there many fans who opted for bootlegged material to be included on the box set? I imagine so, and that a lot of it probably would have been vetoed for one reason or another...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: grillo on October 07, 2010, 07:58:05 AM
Our Team is actually more fun, way better and more Brian Wilsony than almost any other BB song from the 80's. I especially love Bri's imitation of Dennis in the harmonies.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 07, 2010, 08:45:52 AM
How did they go about soliciting the lists from the fans, may i ask? Putting ads in the fanzines?

'Xactly.  The brief was to compile your fantasy 5-CD (that was the original plan) box, studio, live and unreleased (but no solo material). That was a fun thing to do.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on October 07, 2010, 03:31:15 PM
aaaah, makes sense. Shame no 70's Live material made it on, because I bet a bunch of you suggested that! Did any of your 'rare' picks make it on, Andrew?

Our Team is pretty rough, but i couldn't tell you what I'd like to replace it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 07, 2010, 03:56:37 PM
A surprising percentage of my 'archive' selections made the cut, but I can't claim I was directly responsible for any single inclusion.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on October 07, 2010, 05:02:05 PM
If I'm not mistaken, "All This is That" was a fan's choice.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: TdHabib on October 07, 2010, 05:04:44 PM
Oh and AGD I've always wondered, was there ever a reason given why "WIBNTLA" wasn't included?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 07, 2010, 05:29:10 PM
Oh and AGD I've always wondered, was there ever a reason given why "WIBNTLA" wasn't included?
WIBNTLA is essentially an unfinished recording...although its missing very little(guitar solo). I don't think there was much awareness of this track within the decision making hierarchy at BRI until about 2002, that's when it seemed to suddenly surface as an unbooted gem ...hence it was probably not even considered as a 30th anniversary box set contender.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 07, 2010, 05:34:51 PM
My dream is for a new rareties collection to come out, and have that, 74 California Feelin', Lucy Jones, and the other admittedly few tracks I've never heard that actually still exist.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 08, 2010, 03:12:55 AM
If I'm not mistaken, "All This is That" was a fan's choice.

"ATIT" very nearly didn't make it - a good UK friend of mine had to make a phone call to the US pretty much demanding it was included. My sole direct input to the box (list aside) was ensuring the correct version of "Come Go..." was included: one of the box producers called me from the mastering room at Capitol to ask. Turns out each of the three thought the others knew which was the right one.  Any conversation that starts with "I'm going to ask you a question, please don't laugh" is going to be one to treasure. ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on October 08, 2010, 09:14:54 AM
Quote
My dream is for a new rareties collection to come out, and have that, 74 California Feelin', Lucy Jones, and the other admittedly few tracks I've never heard that actually still exist.

Better yet, a 10 track album that is nothing but remixed versions of "Lazy Lizzie". Old bands do that occasionally. You could get Kanye West, Swizz Beats, Aphex Twin, Moby... whoever, man, but it would be great.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 08, 2010, 09:31:52 PM
I was being serious :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 08, 2010, 10:11:17 PM
Am I the only one here who REALLY wants to see Andrew's complete list, along with what actually made the cut?  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 08, 2010, 10:13:38 PM
Nope :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 09, 2010, 02:03:31 AM
Am I the only one here who REALLY wants to see Andrew's complete list, along with what actually made the cut?  ;D

I'd love to see it as well. Typed it - yes, typed - and although I made a copy, I have no idea where it is.  :(


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 09, 2010, 06:32:50 AM
Am I the only one here who REALLY wants to see Andrew's complete list, along with what actually made the cut?  ;D

Of course you're not the only one, look at who you're posting to, all Beach Boy-Fandom-Geeks


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on October 09, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
I was listening to AM oldies radio, and I heard a song that must have subconsciously influenced Brian to write "You're So Good to Me". Either that, or they stole from Brian. Somebody stole is all I'm saying. The bass riff and variations on it appear in the song, most of them played on a kooky electric organ, and at points they even do  "lalalalalalala..." harmonies. The song, judging by the quality of the recording, sounded older than "You're So Good To Me", but it's impossible to tell. Has anyone heard it before or know what I'm talking about?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on October 10, 2010, 05:00:01 PM
A mildly amusing coincidence: Justin Timberlake is at least as talented as an uncaring Brian Wilson! Witness:
Quote
Hi my name is Bob and I work at my job
I make forty-something dollars a day

(Justin Timberlake - "Losing My Way" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iq5ijZsmwA))


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: summerinparadise.flac on October 10, 2010, 05:22:08 PM
Am I the only one here who REALLY wants to see Andrew's complete list, along with what actually made the cut?  ;D

I'd love to see it as well. Typed it - yes, typed - and although I made a copy, I have no idea where it is.  :(

What's this behind you r ear haha. Just kidding.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on October 10, 2010, 06:36:58 PM
Quote
Hi my name is Bob and I work at my job
I make forty-something dollars a day

But I'm so happy 'cause
I just got my pay!

Brian probably thought that was a working class anthem.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 10, 2010, 06:45:56 PM
Does a lead vocal exist for the Sandy outtake? The only vocals I have heard are "Sandy baby, it's time we said goodbye", as well as some harmonies at the end. Did lyrics for the song exist at this point? I'm wondering when the lyrics for Sherry SHe Needs Me were composed. Was it before or after Sandy?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: summerinparadise.flac on October 10, 2010, 06:46:45 PM
If I'm not mistaken, "All This is That" was a fan's choice.

"ATIT" very nearly didn't make it - a good UK friend of mine had to make a phone call to the US pretty much demanding it was included. My sole direct input to the box (list aside) was ensuring the correct version of "Come Go..." was included: one of the box producers called me from the mastering room at Capitol to ask. Turns out each of the three thought the others knew which was the right one.  Any conversation that starts with "I'm going to ask you a question, please don't laugh" is going to be one to treasure. ;D

That's actually really cool to be part of that.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 10, 2010, 06:59:22 PM
If I'm not mistaken, "All This is That" was a fan's choice.

"ATIT" very nearly didn't make it - a good UK friend of mine had to make a phone call to the US pretty much demanding it was included. My sole direct input to the box (list aside) was ensuring the correct version of "Come Go..." was included: one of the box producers called me from the mastering room at Capitol to ask. Turns out each of the three thought the others knew which was the right one.  Any conversation that starts with "I'm going to ask you a question, please don't laugh" is going to be one to treasure. ;D

That's actually really cool to be part of that.
True. But it's rather sad when a group can't remember the "correct" version of one of their own songs.  ::)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on October 10, 2010, 07:06:52 PM
Who cares, it's a throwaway song anyway.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 11, 2010, 12:42:05 AM
If I'm not mistaken, "All This is That" was a fan's choice.

"ATIT" very nearly didn't make it - a good UK friend of mine had to make a phone call to the US pretty much demanding it was included. My sole direct input to the box (list aside) was ensuring the correct version of "Come Go..." was included: one of the box producers called me from the mastering room at Capitol to ask. Turns out each of the three thought the others knew which was the right one.  Any conversation that starts with "I'm going to ask you a question, please don't laugh" is going to be one to treasure. ;D

That's actually really cool to be part of that.
True. But it's rather sad when a group can't remember the "correct" version of one of their own songs.  ::)

Not the band... the three producers of the box set.  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 11, 2010, 12:44:13 AM
Who cares, it's a throwaway song anyway.

We care, because we like things to be documented accurately, or prefer it that compilations have the right tracks on them. It's called showing respect to the artist.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thre
Post by: Runaways on October 12, 2010, 02:32:25 PM
not a question, just a statement.  Watching PTI on ESPN and Tony, while talking about what they'll be talking about finished with, "and what's up with Brian Wilson's beard.  Brian Wilson the pitcher, not Brian Wilson the Beach Boy".

though i guess that would have begged for a continuing joke too


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on October 12, 2010, 04:59:44 PM
Who cares, it's a throwaway song anyway.

We care, because we like things to be documented accurately, or prefer it that compilations have the right tracks on them. It's called showing respect to the artist.

I bet you were tempted to stick an 'extra' unreleased track on there....  :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on October 12, 2010, 05:40:58 PM
If it was about respect for the artist they would have simply not included anything by The Beach Boys from M.I.U. onwards. (http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-haw.gif)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Menace Wilson on October 13, 2010, 12:46:58 PM
According to the Badman book, in October 1971 The Beach Boys played a couple of shows in Milwaukee with Jackson Browne and........Yes?!  As in "I've Seen All Good People" Yes?

If anybody knows anything about these gigs I'd love to know more.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 13, 2010, 01:08:03 PM
Suggest you recheck that - my copy of Badman has no Milwaukee shows in October 1971.

He says November 22nd... however, Ian's research says the show happened, but not with Yes. I know who I've got the college fund on.  ;D

Badman lists five November 1971 shows. Ian has found adverts and/or reviews for 17, and also proof that the Puerto Rico show was cancelled.

If you want a far more accurate listing of Beach Boys shows 1961-2000, researched in depth by Ian Rusten (and about 0.25% by me), try this place:

Bellagio 10452 - Gigs & Sessions (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs.html)

Later: just checked a Yes site - guess where they were playing 11/22/71 ? Correct, not where he claims: Atlanta GA, in fact. Didn't play Milwaukee on that tour at all.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Menace Wilson on October 13, 2010, 01:49:44 PM
Oops!  Yeah, the book says November, not October. 

Thanks for doing the leg work on that, Andrew.  I thought that sounded like a strange bill...wonder where Badman got that info?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 13, 2010, 01:52:05 PM
Oops!  Yeah, the book says November, not October. 

Thanks for doing the leg work on that, Andrew.  I thought that sounded like a strange bill...wonder where Badman got that info?

I'd imagine the same place he seems to have got a goodly degree of his information - made it up.  ::)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 14, 2010, 12:38:08 AM
I have a question, but I'm not sure how much can be openly talked about. I was wondering how the "Vocal Element" box set came about. It just seems like those concerts turned all out of the blue. Then again, I'm not really that knowledgable in these matters. Were the shows already circulating before that set came out?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 14, 2010, 01:49:26 AM
I have a question, but I'm not sure how much can be openly talked about. I was wondering how the "Vocal Element" box set came about. It just seems like those concerts turned all out of the blue. Then again, I'm not really that knowledgable in these matters. Were the shows already circulating before that set came out?

Not exactly what you'd call 'circulating'... but they were out there.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 14, 2010, 10:24:45 PM
Did Dennis take his brother Brian's drug addiction and mental illness seriously? You always hear and read about Dennis being Brian's biggest fan back around the Pet Sounds era, but what about when Brian started to go downhill in the mid 1970's and on? Did Dennis ever talk about the disasterous 1981 tour when Brian could barely sing or play?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on October 15, 2010, 05:24:10 AM
Did Dennis take his brother Brian's drug addiction and mental illness seriously? You always hear and read about Dennis being Brian's biggest fan back around the Pet Sounds era, but what about when Brian started to go downhill in the mid 1970's and on? Did Dennis ever talk about the disasterous 1981 tour when Brian could barely sing or play?

I don't know about the mid 1970's and onwards but I remember a quote (can't remember it exactly) from the Dennis documentary where he said something like that he would go to Brian's house every day and plead with Brian to let him know what he could do to help Brian, I think this was the 1967 onwards period, so it would seem to me that Dennis did car and take Brians illnesses seriously but by the mid 1970's onwards Dennis had his own problems to contend with


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Curtis Leon on October 17, 2010, 12:54:40 AM
Does a lead vocal exist for the Sandy outtake? The only vocals I have heard are "Sandy baby, it's time we said goodbye", as well as some harmonies at the end. Did lyrics for the song exist at this point? I'm wondering when the lyrics for Sherry SHe Needs Me were composed. Was it before or after Sandy?

I've always wondered about how Brian used a different take of Sandy to sing Sherry on than the one overdubbed with vocals in 1965. The one Brian sings on has more guitar, louder drums, more prominent drums, a horn section, no organ, etc. Unless he's singing on a heavily mixed and overdubbed tape of the original master - But again, I don't get why he would do THAT when the take was finished (at least, instrumentally) already. It's probable that the original lyrics to Sandy were simply Sherry's lyrics, with the obvious name change, considering the "Sandy/Sherry baby, it's time we said goodbye" part.

Guess that's just how Brian works!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on October 17, 2010, 02:15:02 AM
I have a feeling that the lyrics came later. They have the same awkwardness to them as "Tomboy", "Lizzie" et c.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: grillo on October 17, 2010, 07:02:57 AM
Does a lead vocal exist for the Sandy outtake? The only vocals I have heard are "Sandy baby, it's time we said goodbye", as well as some harmonies at the end. Did lyrics for the song exist at this point? I'm wondering when the lyrics for Sherry SHe Needs Me were composed. Was it before or after Sandy?

I've always wondered about how Brian used a different take of Sandy to sing Sherry on than the one overdubbed with vocals in 1965. The one Brian sings on has more guitar, louder drums, more prominent drums, a horn section, no organ, etc. Unless he's singing on a heavily mixed and overdubbed tape of the original master - But again, I don't get why he would do THAT when the take was finished (at least, instrumentally) already. It's probable that the original lyrics to Sandy were simply Sherry's lyrics, with the obvious name change, considering the "Sandy/Sherry baby, it's time we said goodbye" part.

Guess that's just how Brian works!
Isn't Sandy the one with just the BB playing, whereas Sherry is the wrecking crew? My impression was BW was not totally satisfied with the Sandy version musically, though he went as far as doing some backgrounds before he made this decision, thus, what we've heard. Sherry is earlier, from Today era (right?) and it's a crime they never finished it (though the 76 version is weird/good). I imagine Mike would've come up with some good lyrics for it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Ebb and Flow on October 17, 2010, 03:46:29 PM
The track for "Sherry" was cut with the Wrecking Crew on March 29th, 1965...during sessions for Summer Days.  "Sandy" was cut later with the group on May 4th.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Curtis Leon on October 18, 2010, 02:37:58 AM
The track for "Sherry" was cut with the Wrecking Crew on March 29th, 1965...during sessions for Summer Days.  "Sandy" was cut later with the group on May 4th.

I thought that might've been the case. They both sound veeerrryy representative of Brian's production style during that period. Bright and clear.

Why Brian recorded two master takes of the same song, overdubbing one with backing vocals during the time, and then shelving both, only to bring the first one back during the 15 Big Ones sessions, overdubbing his own vocal onto it, and then shelving it again, only to attempt versions during both BW88 and Imagination, FINALLY releasing it on the latter, in a form different in just about every way from the very first recording, I'll never know. That tune in it's various forms basically covers every major "voice" Brian ever had, with "Sandy" containing his original, sweet falsetto in the tag, "Sherry" sung by the "smoker" Brian, "Terri" sung by the "shouty" Brian, and the final version, "She Says" in his latest, "old man" voice. I would be the least surprised out of anyone if there was a version with his IJWMFTT voice too.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 18, 2010, 07:01:47 AM
The track for "Sherry" was cut with the Wrecking Crew on March 29th, 1965...during sessions for Summer Days.  "Sandy" was cut later with the group on May 4th.

I thought that might've been the case. They both sound veeerrryy representative of Brian's production style during that period. Bright and clear.

Why Brian recorded two master takes of the same song, overdubbing one with backing vocals during the time, and then shelving both, only to bring the first one back during the 15 Big Ones sessions, overdubbing his own vocal onto it, and then shelving it again, only to attempt versions during both BW88 and Imagination, FINALLY releasing it on the latter, in a form different in just about every way from the very first recording, I'll never know. That tune in it's various forms basically covers every major "voice" Brian ever had, with "Sandy" containing his original, sweet falsetto in the tag, "Sherry" sung by the "smoker" Brian, "Terri" sung by the "shouty" Brian, and the final version, "She Says" in his latest, "old man" voice. I would be the least surprised out of anyone if there was a version with his IJWMFTT voice too.

have you heard Terri she needs me? what backing track does it use? or is it a different production all together?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Curtis Leon on October 18, 2010, 04:19:12 PM
The track for "Sherry" was cut with the Wrecking Crew on March 29th, 1965...during sessions for Summer Days.  "Sandy" was cut later with the group on May 4th.

I thought that might've been the case. They both sound veeerrryy representative of Brian's production style during that period. Bright and clear.

Why Brian recorded two master takes of the same song, overdubbing one with backing vocals during the time, and then shelving both, only to bring the first one back during the 15 Big Ones sessions, overdubbing his own vocal onto it, and then shelving it again, only to attempt versions during both BW88 and Imagination, FINALLY releasing it on the latter, in a form different in just about every way from the very first recording, I'll never know. That tune in it's various forms basically covers every major "voice" Brian ever had, with "Sandy" containing his original, sweet falsetto in the tag, "Sherry" sung by the "smoker" Brian, "Terri" sung by the "shouty" Brian, and the final version, "She Says" in his latest, "old man" voice. I would be the least surprised out of anyone if there was a version with his IJWMFTT voice too.

have you heard Terri she needs me? what backing track does it use? or is it a different production all together?

As far as I know, it hasn't even been booted yet. If I could guess, it would probably be very similar to BW88's style of production. I'd be doubtful if it used any of the two original backing tracks, Brian's proved that he's quite willing to scrap a song and do it all over.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 18, 2010, 07:15:54 PM
The track for "Sherry" was cut with the Wrecking Crew on March 29th, 1965...during sessions for Summer Days.  "Sandy" was cut later with the group on May 4th.

I thought that might've been the case. They both sound veeerrryy representative of Brian's production style during that period. Bright and clear.

Why Brian recorded two master takes of the same song, overdubbing one with backing vocals during the time, and then shelving both, only to bring the first one back during the 15 Big Ones sessions, overdubbing his own vocal onto it, and then shelving it again, only to attempt versions during both BW88 and Imagination, FINALLY releasing it on the latter, in a form different in just about every way from the very first recording, I'll never know. That tune in it's various forms basically covers every major "voice" Brian ever had, with "Sandy" containing his original, sweet falsetto in the tag, "Sherry" sung by the "smoker" Brian, "Terri" sung by the "shouty" Brian, and the final version, "She Says" in his latest, "old man" voice. I would be the least surprised out of anyone if there was a version with his IJWMFTT voice too.

have you heard Terri she needs me? what backing track does it use? or is it a different production all together?

As far as I know, it hasn't even been booted yet. If I could guess, it would probably be very similar to BW88's style of production. I'd be doubtful if it used any of the two original backing tracks, Brian's proved that he's quite willing to scrap a song and do it all over.
That's what I thought.

Actually, earlier in the car, I was thinking about this, and I sang it in my imitation of Brian from the 80s (BB85/BW88), and it made total sense that that's how he'd sing it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 18, 2010, 10:58:53 PM
I love "Sandy" and "Sherry She Needs Me", but I hate "She Says That She Needs Me". I hate the drums. They are mixed WAY to high, and they just suck, in general. I hate the weird change in the line "I don't know whether we're gonna be together". The "Sherry..." chorus makes more sense musically. But I DISPISE how at the end, the line "Sorry baby, it's time we..." is repeated three times. I have not heard this done in any Beach Boys song or any other Brian Wilson song(that I know of), so why should it be done here? It's just dumb.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 18, 2010, 11:47:12 PM
But I DISPISE how at the end, the line "Sorry baby, it's time we..." is repeated three times. I have not heard this done in any Beach Boys song or any other Brian Wilson song(that I know of), so why should it be done here?

All songs should be the same.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on October 19, 2010, 12:26:14 PM
What was "Walkin'" rewritten as later?  Like didn't that song evolve into something else?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 19, 2010, 12:52:20 PM
What was "Walkin'" rewritten as later?  Like didn't that song evolve into something else?

Morning Beat


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on October 19, 2010, 09:52:58 PM
No, wasn't it an actual Beach Boys song?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on October 19, 2010, 11:51:20 PM
What's amazing about "Walkin'" is to think that this guy was recording songs like "Wonderful" only three years earlier. Not that "Walkin'" doesn't have some merit musically, but it's such a baffling transition. It makes me wonder if songs like this are the kind that  the rest of the BBs would "snicker" at, to quote Chuck Britz. He said that the BBs would laugh at some of the stuff Brian would bring into the studio after he his commercial peak had passed, as they felt that it was way beneath his level of talent.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 20, 2010, 04:02:10 AM
What's amazing about "Walkin'" is to think that this guy was recording songs like "Wonderful" only three years earlier. Not that "Walkin'" doesn't have some merit musically, but it's such a baffling transition. It makes me wonder if songs like this are the kind that  the rest of the BBs would "snicker" at, to quote Chuck Britz. He said that the BBs would laugh at some of the stuff Brian would bring into the studio after he his commercial peak had passed, as they felt that it was way beneath his level of talent.

My respect for the group has been lowered ever so slightly. Unless Al or Mike had something as good as "'Til I Die" or "A Day in the Life of a Tree" stashed away, I don't think they have much room to be saying anything as, despite their great amount of talent, they'd probably have had careers pumping gas if not for Brian.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 20, 2010, 04:08:03 AM
What's amazing about "Walkin'" is to think that this guy was recording songs like "Wonderful" only three years earlier. Not that "Walkin'" doesn't have some merit musically, but it's such a baffling transition. It makes me wonder if songs like this are the kind that  the rest of the BBs would "snicker" at, to quote Chuck Britz. He said that the BBs would laugh at some of the stuff Brian would bring into the studio after he his commercial peak had passed, as they felt that it was way beneath his level of talent.

My respect for the group has been lowered ever so slightly. Unless Al or Mike had something as good as "'Til I Die" or "A Day in the Life of a Tree" stashed away, I don't think they have much room to be saying anything as, despite their great amount of talent, they'd probably have had careers pumping gas if not for Brian.

and dentist!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 20, 2010, 04:10:13 AM
What's amazing about "Walkin'" is to think that this guy was recording songs like "Wonderful" only three years earlier. Not that "Walkin'" doesn't have some merit musically, but it's such a baffling transition. It makes me wonder if songs like this are the kind that  the rest of the BBs would "snicker" at, to quote Chuck Britz. He said that the BBs would laugh at some of the stuff Brian would bring into the studio after he his commercial peak had passed, as they felt that it was way beneath his level of talent.

My respect for the group has been lowered ever so slightly. Unless Al or Mike had something as good as "'Til I Die" or "A Day in the Life of a Tree" stashed away, I don't think they have much room to be saying anything as, despite their great amount of talent, they'd probably have had careers pumping gas if not for Brian.

and dentist!

I've been laying on my back
Like a freight train off a track
Trying to find a job to fit my trade...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on October 20, 2010, 06:50:02 AM
Is the version of This Song Wants To Sleep With You Tonight on the Do It Again single dramatically different than the version I've got on Landylocked, or shall i not bother trying to hunt one down?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on October 20, 2010, 06:57:17 AM
Is the version of This Song Wants To Sleep With You Tonight on the Do It Again single dramatically different than the version I've got on Landylocked, or shall i not bother trying to hunt one down?

IIRC there is but one version.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 20, 2010, 09:41:52 AM
I thought "Walkin'" was more of Al's tune.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on October 20, 2010, 09:43:17 AM
I thought "Walkin'" was more of Al's tune.

because he's so short?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 20, 2010, 09:45:18 AM
I thought "Walkin'" was more of Al's tune.

because he's so short?

 :lol In a world populated by midgets, Al would rule supreme.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on October 20, 2010, 11:24:04 AM
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and dentist!

Which brings up one of my favorite scenes from An American Family. After the band gets $200 a piece for an early surfing song (or for signing with Capitol... it was something like that, anyway), everyone looks really excited except Al. Cut to the next scene, and Al is in his car explaining how he's going back to school. Then, Brian screams, in an accusatory voice, the best line in the movie: "You still want be a dentist, don't you?"


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 20, 2010, 11:27:37 AM
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and dentist!

Which brings up one of my favorite scenes from An American Family. After the band gets $200 a piece for an early surfing song (or for signing with Capitol... it was something like that, anyway), everyone looks really excited except Al. Cut to the next scene, and Al is in his car explaining how he's going back to school. Then, Brian screams, in an accusatory voice, the best line in the movie: "You still want be a dentist, don't you?"

That was indeed a cool line. Inaccurate, but cool.  My #1 was Murry's "Mike dear, you're sounding a little nasal". It's a lot funnier if you know the backstory about the movie's production history.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 20, 2010, 11:30:19 AM
Chewing out Mike for sounding nasal would be like criticizing Lassie for barking.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 20, 2010, 08:42:45 PM
Is the version of This Song Wants To Sleep With You Tonight on the Do It Again single dramatically different than the version I've got on Landylocked, or shall i not bother trying to hunt one down?

I've heard it on quite a few rarities packages...I feel like there's a different beginning or it's more sudden at the beginning. idk what it is...it doesn't sound too good for a soft tune as such.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on October 21, 2010, 12:22:37 AM
Chewing out Mike for sounding nasal would be like criticizing Lassie for barking.

 :lol what a way to start the day...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 21, 2010, 01:45:22 AM
Is the version of This Song Wants To Sleep With You Tonight on the Do It Again single dramatically different than the version I've got on Landylocked, or shall i not bother trying to hunt one down?

I've heard it on quite a few rarities packages...I feel like there's a different beginning or it's more sudden at the beginning. idk what it is...it doesn't sound too good for a soft tune as such.

I've only ever heard the one version - in varying levels of audio quality, granted, but just the one.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on October 21, 2010, 03:30:13 AM
The landylocked one I have seems to have a bit of the first bar cut off, so the start would appear quicker.... Thanks for your help! That'll save me a day of hopeless internet searching


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 22, 2010, 08:56:03 PM
This isn't a direct question about The Beach Boys themselves, but more of a question about peoples opinions. Ever since I first heard it on GIOMH, I thought that Carl's vocal on SOul Searchin' was pretty weak. His voice sounds very weak to me, almost like he was already sick by then. Does anybody else here think the same?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on October 23, 2010, 12:10:33 AM
His illness: that's hard to tell, but chances are that he already was.

As for his vocals: his voice had changed in those last years, but I don't find them particularly weak om Soul Searchin'. If you hear him sing that bridge in the Beach Boys demo-version (which he nails btw) you'll think differently. But that one was replaced by a new vocal from Brian...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 23, 2010, 12:49:22 AM
His illness: that's hard to tell, but chances are that he already was.

I think there's been enough heavy hinting and comments by folk who knew Carl pretty well to indicate that he knew he was very ill some considerable time before the official diagnosis in spring 1997.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: OneEar/OneEye on October 25, 2010, 12:01:33 PM
Listening to Paul McCartney's Ram album.  Haven't heard the tunes I was familar with from this album in a long time, and never heard the album as a whole before.  I am finding myself amazingly taken by it.  Great album.  It also appears to be his most Beach Boys influenced.  There are several songs here - Back Seat of My Car, Ram On, Heart of The Country that seem Beach Boys like.   And Smile Away....??
What might have been the influence of Brian recording at home in McCartney doing this at the outset of his solo career?   The whole homey, family, love, everyday life kind of thing seems very Brian-ish.   
The other tunes are all very agreeable to me as well - Monkberry Moon Delight, Too Many People, Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey of course, and even the goofy 3 Legs...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: jimmyboy on October 25, 2010, 10:45:49 PM
I thought "Walkin'" was more of Al's tune.

because he's so short?

 :lol In a world populated by midgets, Al would rule supreme.
He really looked weird at the "We Are The World" reunion last year.The poor man has a head the size of Baltimore! The color job did'nt help either.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 26, 2010, 02:12:18 AM
His illness: that's hard to tell, but chances are that he already was.

As for his vocals: his voice had changed in those last years, but I don't find them particularly weak om Soul Searchin'. If you hear him sing that bridge in the Beach Boys demo-version (which he nails btw) you'll think differently. But that one was replaced by a new vocal from Brian...
i hate Brian's line in that song. It might have worked had he dubbed it in circa 1996, but in 2003(or whenever GIOMH came out) his voice was so different that the change from Carl to Brian is very jarring awkward. Not to mention that Brian does his best to shout the lyric out at the top of his head.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 26, 2010, 09:48:59 AM
I thought "Walkin'" was more of Al's tune.

because he's so short?

 :lol In a world populated by midgets, Al would rule supreme.
He really looked weird at the "We Are The World" reunion last year.The poor man has a head the size of Baltimore! The color job did'nt help either.

At least he's cut off the ponytail. Balding men should never grow ponytails. Never.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on October 26, 2010, 10:10:25 AM
Except Mick Fleetwood. ;) ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Stegibo on October 28, 2010, 10:46:42 AM
Why did Al stop to sing lead on "Wouldn't It Be Nice" in the late '80s?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: GoogaMooga on October 28, 2010, 10:59:37 AM
Except Mick Fleetwood. ;) ;)

 :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: drbeachboy on October 28, 2010, 12:18:23 PM
Why did Al stop to sing lead on "Wouldn't It Be Nice" in the late '80s?
It was probably getting out of his range. I saw Carl sing lead in the 90's and it was even tough on him.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 28, 2010, 08:07:55 PM
I've never understood why the group always switched leads on certain songs. WIBN is one. Don't Worry Baby is another one that Al and Carl switched off on a few times. I think Don't Worry Baby might have sounded interesting with Dennis singing.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Ganz Allein on October 28, 2010, 09:13:14 PM
Listening to Paul McCartney's Ram album.  Haven't heard the tunes I was familar with from this album in a long time, and never heard the album as a whole before.  I am finding myself amazingly taken by it.  Great album.  It also appears to be his most Beach Boys influenced.  There are several songs here - Back Seat of My Car, Ram On, Heart of The Country that seem Beach Boys like.   And Smile Away....??
What might have been the influence of Brian recording at home in McCartney doing this at the outset of his solo career?   The whole homey, family, love, everyday life kind of thing seems very Brian-ish.   
The other tunes are all very agreeable to me as well - Monkberry Moon Delight, Too Many People, Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey of course, and even the goofy 3 Legs...

Great album and definitely Paul's most BBs influenced one. He was already working on Back Seat of My Car while still in the Beatles. One of the Get Back/Let it Be session tapes (January '69) has Paul playing and singing it at the piano while working out the lyrics. Somebody in the background mentions that it sounds like the Beach Boys, and he acknowledges it (even affecting a goofy American accent when singing some of the lines): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS2A7V4M2sE


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on October 29, 2010, 08:44:06 AM
I've never understood why the group always switched leads on certain songs. WIBN is one. Don't Worry Baby is another one that Al and Carl switched off on a few times. I think Don't Worry Baby might have sounded interesting with Dennis singing.
For the fun of it? Imagine touring as a full time job, playing (more or less) the same songs every night. Though a dream job to start with, even that can turn into a routine.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 29, 2010, 09:02:53 AM
I've never understood why the group always switched leads on certain songs. WIBN is one. Don't Worry Baby is another one that Al and Carl switched off on a few times. I think Don't Worry Baby might have sounded interesting with Dennis singing.

Because they could. Seriously.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Ganz Allein on October 29, 2010, 01:51:04 PM
Does footage of the Hawaii '67 live shows synched with the correct audio exist anywhere?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 29, 2010, 02:56:04 PM
Does footage of the Hawaii '67 live shows synched with the correct audio exist anywhere?

Not unless someone did a rough sync somewhere along the line - that is, not officially. I know someone had a crack with one song.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on October 29, 2010, 10:14:17 PM
Did Marylin or Diane participate in the recording of Rollin' Up To Heaven? I have listened to the song several times now, and I swear I can hear at least one female voice.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 30, 2010, 05:46:20 PM
Does footage of the Hawaii '67 live shows synched with the correct audio exist anywhere?

Not unless someone did a rough sync somewhere along the line - that is, not officially. I know someone had a crack with one song.
speaking of syncing, I've often tried to read their lips on the BB 1966 London dvd, didn't have much luck. I think I saw their lips singing Graduation Day, but who knows; I could be way off. Haven't watched it in forever.


Anyone have that audio?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 31, 2010, 01:59:06 AM
One's "SJB", another "GOK". They didn't do "Graduation Day".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Exapno Mapcase on October 31, 2010, 03:10:52 AM
"Paul McCartney's Ram"

One of the few Macca solo efforts that is quite warm and that I can listen to all the way through.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 31, 2010, 11:42:33 AM
One's "SJB", another "GOK". They didn't do "Graduation Day".

I wouldn't have thought they would perform GD, but then again, I thought it was on the setlist sometime in 66 or 67...like I feel they perform it on a pretty well known live boot.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 31, 2010, 02:31:47 PM
One's "SJB", another "GOK". They didn't do "Graduation Day".

I wouldn't have thought they would perform GD, but then again, I thought it was on the setlist sometime in 66 or 67...like I feel they perform it on a pretty well known live boot.

Just dug out a very old cassette from the 1966 tour - I stand corrected, they did do "GD"


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on October 31, 2010, 02:33:51 PM
Might as well try asking my moronic question here, googling isn't helping much.

Gershwin's music is supposed to come into the public domain soon, right? Does this mean the songs he wrote with Ira (or indeed others) come into the public domain with it, or do the lyrics remain copyrighted? Pardon my ignorance of copyright law, but there it is. Thanks!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 31, 2010, 02:54:41 PM
One's "SJB", another "GOK". They didn't do "Graduation Day".

I wouldn't have thought they would perform GD, but then again, I thought it was on the setlist sometime in 66 or 67...like I feel they perform it on a pretty well known live boot.

Just dug out a very old cassette from the 1966 tour - I stand corrected, they did do "GD"

ah, I wasn't trying to prove you wrong...but then again, we all take things differently through text unfortunately.

All in all I was just trying to look somewhat smart in the BB/BW world.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on October 31, 2010, 03:12:27 PM
One's "SJB", another "GOK". They didn't do "Graduation Day".

I wouldn't have thought they would perform GD, but then again, I thought it was on the setlist sometime in 66 or 67...like I feel they perform it on a pretty well known live boot.

Just dug out a very old cassette from the 1966 tour - I stand corrected, they did do "GD"

ah, I wasn't trying to prove you wrong...but then again, we all take things differently through text unfortunately.

All in all I was just trying to look somewhat smart in the BB/BW world.

You don't have to worry about that.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 31, 2010, 08:50:23 PM
One's "SJB", another "GOK". They didn't do "Graduation Day".

I wouldn't have thought they would perform GD, but then again, I thought it was on the setlist sometime in 66 or 67...like I feel they perform it on a pretty well known live boot.

Just dug out a very old cassette from the 1966 tour - I stand corrected, they did do "GD"

ah, I wasn't trying to prove you wrong...but then again, we all take things differently through text unfortunately.

All in all I was just trying to look somewhat smart in the BB/BW world.

You don't have to worry about that.
whatcha mean?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on October 31, 2010, 08:58:17 PM
One's "SJB", another "GOK". They didn't do "Graduation Day".

I wouldn't have thought they would perform GD, but then again, I thought it was on the setlist sometime in 66 or 67...like I feel they perform it on a pretty well known live boot.

Just dug out a very old cassette from the 1966 tour - I stand corrected, they did do "GD"

ah, I wasn't trying to prove you wrong...but then again, we all take things differently through text unfortunately.

All in all I was just trying to look somewhat smart in the BB/BW world.

You don't have to worry about that.
whatcha mean?
I mean what you think I mean; unless , of course, you're not thinking the same as I am, in which case I mean the opposite!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on October 31, 2010, 09:08:20 PM
One's "SJB", another "GOK". They didn't do "Graduation Day".

I wouldn't have thought they would perform GD, but then again, I thought it was on the setlist sometime in 66 or 67...like I feel they perform it on a pretty well known live boot.

Just dug out a very old cassette from the 1966 tour - I stand corrected, they did do "GD"

ah, I wasn't trying to prove you wrong...but then again, we all take things differently through text unfortunately.

All in all I was just trying to look somewhat smart in the BB/BW world.

You don't have to worry about that.
whatcha mean?
I mean what you think I mean; unless , of course, you're not thinking the same as I am, in which case I mean the opposite!


are you saying i'm smart in the BB/BW world?

THANKS! It's a pleasure to get a compliment about the things you take pleasure in learning and dispencing


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on October 31, 2010, 09:57:12 PM
One's "SJB", another "GOK". They didn't do "Graduation Day".

I wouldn't have thought they would perform GD, but then again, I thought it was on the setlist sometime in 66 or 67...like I feel they perform it on a pretty well known live boot.

Just dug out a very old cassette from the 1966 tour - I stand corrected, they did do "GD"

ah, I wasn't trying to prove you wrong...but then again, we all take things differently through text unfortunately.

All in all I was just trying to look somewhat smart in the BB/BW world.

You don't have to worry about that.
whatcha mean?
I mean what you think I mean; unless , of course, you're not thinking the same as I am, in which case I mean the opposite!


are you saying i'm smart in the BB/BW world?

THANKS! It's a pleasure to get a compliment about the things you take pleasure in learning and dispencing

Well, you're welcome!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on November 05, 2010, 09:48:06 PM
this is more of a hypothetical question, but if Brian performed Be Here in the Morning, do you think he or other members of the band would go through the trouble of making the vocal (Al's vocal part) go through the speaker/amp as they did on the Friends album?           ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on November 05, 2010, 09:52:29 PM
this is more of a hypothetical question, but if Brian performed Be Here in the Morning, do you think he or other members of the band would go through the trouble of making the vocal (Al's vocal part) go through the speaker/amp as they did on the Friends album?           ;)

Nah, they wouldn't have bothered with an amp, cuz Brian likes to sing in the nude anyway. ( that's accapella to you, punkin)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on November 05, 2010, 09:55:26 PM
this is more of a hypothetical question, but if Brian performed Be Here in the Morning, do you think he or other members of the band would go through the trouble of making the vocal (Al's vocal part) go through the speaker/amp as they did on the Friends album?           ;)

Nah, they wouldn't have bothered with an amp, cuz Brian likes to sing in the nude anyway. ( that's accapella to you, punkin)

So we rely on our musical knowledge and information on Mike Love now?   ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on November 05, 2010, 10:00:56 PM
this is more of a hypothetical question, but if Brian performed Be Here in the Morning, do you think he or other members of the band would go through the trouble of making the vocal (Al's vocal part) go through the speaker/amp as they did on the Friends album?           ;)

Nah, they wouldn't have bothered with an amp, cuz Brian likes to sing in the nude anyway. ( that's accapella to you, punkin)

So we rely on our musical knowledge and information on Mike Love now?   ;)

Not completely, of course. But when you're hot, you're hot; so of course with Brian Being here in the morning, he'd be hot and have to disrobe to get the timbre right. 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on November 06, 2010, 06:30:26 AM
I was wondering if Jack Rieley asked for Beach Boy involvement on his Western Justice album. While I admire the album, I don't know much about it, when it was recorded/released....recorded in Holland where Jack stayed after the Holland album? Since I enjoy the album, it could have only gotten better with some BB involvement. Plus, would have been more artistic than anything they put out after 73.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on November 06, 2010, 07:05:39 AM
I was wondering if Jack Rieley asked for Beach Boy involvement on his Western Justice album. While I admire the album, I don't know much about it, when it was recorded/released....recorded in Holland where Jack stayed after the Holland album? Since I enjoy the album, it could have only gotten better with some BB involvement. Plus, would have been more artistic than anything they put out after 73.

You did know about this website, right?

http://www.western-justice.com/


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on November 06, 2010, 09:01:24 AM
I was wondering if Jack Rieley asked for Beach Boy involvement on his Western Justice album. While I admire the album, I don't know much about it, when it was recorded/released....recorded in Holland where Jack stayed after the Holland album? Since I enjoy the album, it could have only gotten better with some BB involvement. Plus, would have been more artistic than anything they put out after 73.

You did know about this website, right?

http://www.western-justice.com/

i think i knew and forgot, thanks though


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: rab2591 on November 10, 2010, 09:13:50 AM
Has anyone here read 'Beach Boys Vs. Beatlemania: Rediscovering Sixties Music' by G.A. De Forest? If so, is it worth the read/worth buying?



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on November 10, 2010, 02:08:11 PM
Has anyone here read 'Beach Boys Vs. Beatlemania: Rediscovering Sixties Music' by G.A. De Forest? If so, is it worth the read/worth buying?



I'd also like to hear what others think


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on November 13, 2010, 05:03:51 AM
Is the Edsel 1987 repress of Song Cycle any good? My local record shop has one and wondering if i should hold out for an older/newer pressing....


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on November 14, 2010, 08:38:47 PM
I've been re-reading some different BB books and I stumbled upon SMiLE: the Lost Masterpiece by Dominic P. And I believe it was this book that said Andy Warhol used 'Denny's Drums' in a film, I can't remember the title, but it was about Tarzan.

Anyone seen this before?
Did he use the whole track or just a section?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on November 16, 2010, 11:12:16 AM
I've been re-reading some different BB books and I stumbled upon SMiLE: the Lost Masterpiece by Dominic P. And I believe it was this book that said Andy Warhol used 'Denny's Drums' in a film, I can't remember the title, but it was about Tarzan.

Anyone seen this before?
Did he use the whole track or just a section?

That would be Tarzan and Jane Regained... Sort of starring Dennis Hopper. Sorry - haven't seen the film, but since it was released in '64 it's logical that Warhol could have used "Denny's Drums".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on November 16, 2010, 02:23:05 PM
What was the first song Brian wrote after getting stoned for the first time? Was it "Please Let Me Wonder" as allmusic's song review suggests (they're wrong on a lot of stuff so I figured I'd ask the folks who know for certain)?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on November 16, 2010, 07:23:55 PM
What was the first song Brian wrote after getting stoned for the first time? Was it "Please Let Me Wonder" as allmusic's song review suggests (they're wrong on a lot of stuff so I figured I'd ask the folks who know for certain)?

in my mind, I believe it's Please Let Me Wonder, but I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: rab2591 on November 18, 2010, 05:58:09 PM
What was the first song Brian wrote after getting stoned for the first time? Was it "Please Let Me Wonder" as allmusic's song review suggests (they're wrong on a lot of stuff so I figured I'd ask the folks who know for certain)?

in my mind, I believe it's Please Let Me Wonder, but I could be wrong.

Yesh, it was 'Please Let Me Wonder' - Philip Lambert wrote in his book (paraphrasing) that though 'Please Let Me Wonder' was the first song Brian wrote on pot 'In The Back Of My Mind' was a far better example of the effect pot was having on Brian's mind.



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on November 19, 2010, 06:49:52 AM
Is the Edsel 1987 repress of Song Cycle any good? My local record shop has one and wondering if i should hold out for an older/newer pressing....

It is fine. IMHO it does not differ from the earlier WB pressing. But I must hasten to add that Van Dyke himself disowned the Edsel material, I mean: IIRC he had real trouble with the way Edsel handled the financial matters, licensing fees and suchlike, and actually advised people to not buy that stuff.
That said: try to locate the Rykodisc version of 1997 or thereabouts, it has a bonus track and is a real remaster. It's out of print, but surely worth seeking for.

VDP announced a 5.1 remaster some three years ago, but as yet I have heard nothing about a release date.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on November 29, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
Has the question been answered about who (denny's friend) Medulla is?
I know i've read the article/interview before about Dennis, but I thought I'd try my hand at this.
I did search our message board, but never came up with an answer.
All I know is that this person was a backing musician for tours around late 60s and was going to be signed to Brother Records.


BTW, who sung that version of Let the Wind Blow?
All I know is the first name: Amy.
What's the story on her?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on December 06, 2010, 07:46:44 PM
On the acapella break in Sloop John B, there is a voice that sings "hoist up the John B saaaaails...". Who's voice is it? At first I thought it was Dennis, but the more I listen to it the more it sounds like Mike.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Austin on December 07, 2010, 04:13:21 AM
On the acapella break in Sloop John B, there is a voice that sings "hoist up the John B saaaaails...". Who's voice is it? At first I thought it was Dennis, but the more I listen to it the more it sounds like Mike.

My money's on Dennis. You can hear Mike singing the same line the measure before (albeit quietly), after which he falls to and sustains a note below Dennis's part.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on December 07, 2010, 09:31:14 PM
Anyone notice the excessive amount of covers recorded during the late 60s? (particularly the 20/20 album era?)
With I Can Hear Music, Cotton Fields, Bluebirds over the Mountain being on the album itself, and then we know Old Man River and Walk on By were recorded at the time...does this mean the guys were just hard up for material? I guess I could include their cover of Rock and Roll Woman (only performed in concerts I believe) and also okie from muskogee (I know, it's later than 69)...which really doesn't mean much unless they were to be recorded for an album, but I suspect not.

Regardless, it couldn't have been a better time to do a lot of covers, I love the production style of this era. Obviously, the next era of covers would be 15 Big Ones, which I'm not so crazy about that style and technique, to each his own I reckon.

I could go on to re-workings (not necessarily covers, but evidence of being "hard up for material") with evidence of the reworking of Been Way to Long (was anything added that is evident on the version we have available?) and then you have Al's looking to re-work Sail Plane Song (Loop De Loop) and Cotton Fields. And I guess I could include Carnival/Over the Waves and Raspberries, Strawberries for poops and giggles.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on December 08, 2010, 12:56:32 AM
Anyone notice the excessive amount of covers recorded during the late 60s? (particularly the 20/20 album era?)
With I Can Hear Music, Cotton Fields, Bluebirds over the Mountain being on the album itself, and then we know Old Man River and Walk on By were recorded at the time...does this mean the guys were just hard up for material? I guess I could include their cover of Rock and Roll Woman (only performed in concerts I believe) and also okie from muskogee (I know, it's later than 69)...which really doesn't mean much unless they were to be recorded for an album, but I suspect not.

I always was under the impression that they recorded an awful lot in 1969, including original material. Maybe a bit less in 1968. A lot of these recordings ended up on the Sunflower and Surf's Up albums. And a lot was booted (Landlocked for example).
Remember this was in their final year with Capitol. Maybe they didn't want to give their brand-new compositions and recordings away to a company they were about to leave and who wasn't really into properly promoting them anymore.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on December 08, 2010, 09:16:08 AM
Anyone notice the excessive amount of covers recorded during the late 60s? (particularly the 20/20 album era?)
With I Can Hear Music, Cotton Fields, Bluebirds over the Mountain being on the album itself, and then we know Old Man River and Walk on By were recorded at the time...does this mean the guys were just hard up for material? I guess I could include their cover of Rock and Roll Woman (only performed in concerts I believe) and also okie from muskogee (I know, it's later than 69)...which really doesn't mean much unless they were to be recorded for an album, but I suspect not.

I always was under the impression that they recorded an awful lot in 1969, including original material. Maybe a bit less in 1968. A lot of these recordings ended up on the Sunflower and Surf's Up albums. And a lot was booted (Landlocked for example).
Remember this was in their final year with Capitol. Maybe they didn't want to give their brand-new compositions and recordings away to a company they were about to leave and who wasn't really into properly promoting them anymore.

good call


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on December 08, 2010, 11:30:28 AM
This is only applicable to us UK residents.

When you turn on the news and see coverage of the Student Fee riots of the past weeks, does anybody else get "Student Demonstration Time" instantly begin to play in their heads? I half expect to see Mike Love somewhere in the crowd singing into his megaphone!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 08, 2010, 12:00:24 PM
Anyone notice the excessive amount of covers recorded during the late 60s? (particularly the 20/20 album era?)
With I Can Hear Music, Cotton Fields, Bluebirds over the Mountain being on the album itself, and then we know Old Man River and Walk on By were recorded at the time...does this mean the guys were just hard up for material? I guess I could include their cover of Rock and Roll Woman (only performed in concerts I believe) and also okie from muskogee (I know, it's later than 69)...which really doesn't mean much unless they were to be recorded for an album, but I suspect not.

I always was under the impression that they recorded an awful lot in 1969, including original material. Maybe a bit less in 1968. A lot of these recordings ended up on the Sunflower and Surf's Up albums. And a lot was booted (Landlocked for example).
Remember this was in their final year with Capitol. Maybe they didn't want to give their brand-new compositions and recordings away to a company they were about to leave and who wasn't really into properly promoting them anymore.

Check it out here - 1968 (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs68.html) - and here - 1969 (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs69.html)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: John Manning on December 08, 2010, 03:41:45 PM
This is only applicable to us UK residents.

When you turn on the news and see coverage of the Student Fee riots of the past weeks, does anybody else get "Student Demonstration Time" instantly begin to play in their heads? I half expect to see Mike Love somewhere in the crowd singing into his megaphone!

SDT was about students campaigning for free speech, the US invasion of Cambodia, the Vietnam War, not hiking the price of education. I've tried to see in link in the last few weeks but today's students don't seem to get as riled about international aggression as they do their own funding.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on December 08, 2010, 03:45:39 PM
This is only applicable to us UK residents.

When you turn on the news and see coverage of the Student Fee riots of the past weeks, does anybody else get "Student Demonstration Time" instantly begin to play in their heads? I half expect to see Mike Love somewhere in the crowd singing into his megaphone!

just reading about it, made it start playing in my head, and I tried to switch threads FAST, but to no avail. 
Thanxx oodles....


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on December 12, 2010, 04:45:04 PM
How does Brian's song "Burlesque" get rejected from Surf's Up for more Al tunes? I like Al, but really?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on December 12, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
How does Brian's song "Burlesque" get rejected from Surf's Up for more Al tunes? I like Al, but really?

Brian didn't care, and Al did.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 12, 2010, 05:14:39 PM
How does Brian's song "Burlesque" get rejected from Surf's Up for more Al tunes? I like Al, but really?

Considering none of us knows what it actually sounds like, maybe it's not that big of a mystery.

DO wish it had been booted, though...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on December 12, 2010, 05:57:07 PM
who's doing the backing vocals on Alone on Christmas Day?
there's a mysterious low/bass backing vox that sounds un-familiar


Title: How Tall is Brian Wilson & The Rest of The Beach Boys
Post by: Beekeeper on December 13, 2010, 08:06:45 AM
Silly question but Ive always been curious.

Brian  6' 3"?
Mike   6' 1"?
Dennis was 5' 9"?
Carl was 5' 10"?
David while in the BB's   ??
Al Jardine 5' 4"??
Bruce Johnston 5' 9"?

BeeKeeper


Title: Re: How tall is Brian Wilson & The Rest of The Beach Boys
Post by: Myk Luhv on December 13, 2010, 08:32:36 AM
There's a thread for exactly these kinds of insignificant questions, you know...


Title: Re: How tall is Brian Wilson & The Rest of The Beach Boys
Post by: pixletwin on December 13, 2010, 08:54:22 AM
Well I am interested in the answer and I likely wouldn't have ever known about the question since the title of the "insignificant question" thread has never exactly pulled me in with curiosity to check out.


Title: Re: How Tall is Brian Wilson & The Rest of The Beach Boys
Post by: Beekeeper on December 13, 2010, 09:05:15 AM
Would one of the moderators move this over to the insignificant thread??
Thanks
BeeKeeper


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 13, 2010, 09:21:58 AM
who's doing the backing vocals on Alone on Christmas Day?
there's a mysterious low/bass backing vox that sounds un-familiar

Probably Dave Robinson.


Title: Re: How Tall is Brian Wilson & The Rest of The Beach Boys
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on December 13, 2010, 10:29:42 AM
Would one of the moderators move this over to the insignificant thread??
Thanks
BeeKeeper


you're wish is my command...


Title: Re: How Tall is Brian Wilson & The Rest of The Beach Boys
Post by: punkinhead on December 13, 2010, 10:59:58 AM
Silly question but Ive always been curious.

Brian  6' 3"?
Mike   6' 1"?
Dennis was 5' 9"?
Carl was 5' 10"?
David while in the BB's   ??
Al Jardine 5' 4"??
Bruce Johnston 5' 9"?

BeeKeeper

I think Al Jardine is short

 ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 13, 2010, 11:18:01 AM
who's doing the backing vocals on Alone on Christmas Day?
there's a mysterious low/bass backing vox that sounds un-familiar

Probably Dave Robinson.

Who is Dave Robinson?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on December 13, 2010, 11:22:53 AM
who's doing the backing vocals on Alone on Christmas Day?
there's a mysterious low/bass backing vox that sounds un-familiar

Probably Dave Robinson.

Who is Dave Robinson?
One of the members of Celebration.


Title: Re: How Tall is Brian Wilson & The Rest of The Beach Boys
Post by: Amy B. on December 13, 2010, 02:09:04 PM
Silly question but Ive always been curious.

Brian  6' 3"?
Mike   6' 1"?
Dennis was 5' 9"?
Carl was 5' 10"?
David while in the BB's   ??
Al Jardine 5' 4"??
Bruce Johnston 5' 9"?

BeeKeeper

You can probably get Bruce's (and maybe David's) height on the Beach Boys Britain message board. Bruce reads it regularly, and I think Carrie Marks does, too.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on December 13, 2010, 10:10:21 PM
What tracks did Brian and Carl play drums on while Denny sang lead on something?

I know The Wanderer is a clear example of Brian playing.

Did Carl play when Dennis would sing You've Got To Hide Your Love Away? Or was there any percussion on that when it was performed live at all?
Also, I know Carl played on Never Learn Not to Love on the television performance.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on December 13, 2010, 10:15:46 PM
I wasn't sure where to put this, so I'll place it here.

I am reading the liner notes to the 2006 compilation In Thee Midnite Hour!!! by Thee Midniters, who were a Chicano teen garage rock group from the mid-1960s. (I had never heard of them before getting a hold of the CD, and I've not yet listened to any of it.) The liners were written by Domenic Priore and he included a neat little tidbit relevant for us fine obsessives here that was at least new to me. I figured I'd share:

Quote from: Domenic Priore
["Whittier Blvd."] starts out with Willie G.'s rallying cry, "Let's take a trip down Whittier Boulevard!" followed by organist Ronny Figueroa shouting "Arriba arriba! Ha ha ha ha!", Dick Dale-styled lead guitar [and] pounding organ and driving horns[.]

[Thee Midniters] got tough again by forming their own label, Whittier Records, going independent, more than a year before the Beach Boys' Brother Records and the Beatles' Apple imprint. In fact, the Beach Boys paid tribute to Thee Midniters on their Lei'd in Hawaii live recordings in the summer of 1967. They opened with a tune called "Hawthorne Blvd.", filled with screaming and an intro with Brian Wilson calling out "Let's take a trip down Hawthorne Boulevard!"


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on December 14, 2010, 11:07:29 AM
Figueroa? As in Bobby?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: GLarson432 on December 15, 2010, 05:41:36 PM
Darlene Love's annual appearance on Letterman is TONIGHT.  It's almost always on either the 22nd or 23rd so this is a week early.  Wendesday night.  It's always at the close of the show.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: GLarson432 on December 15, 2010, 08:20:01 PM
I have to correct myself.  It's Ronnie Spector who is on Letterman tonight and not Darlene Love.  Sorry


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on December 15, 2010, 09:46:05 PM
I have to correct myself.  It's Ronnie Spector who is on Letterman tonight and not Darlene Love.  Sorry

and she was worse than bad


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on December 22, 2010, 11:34:34 AM
Two Questions:

1) Can we sticky this thread so we don't have to search allover to ask an insignificant question?

2) I was listening to what I am thinking is a different mix of Bells of Christmas (no vocals on the opening part); as the ending vocals fade out (aaaaaahhhh), I hear someone simply direct and say: "ah" as in directing the guys towards the next vocal, who is it?

I was thinking maybe Al.

Anyone else hear this?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Custom Machine on December 22, 2010, 12:39:10 PM
I have to correct myself.  It's Ronnie Spector who is on Letterman tonight and not Darlene Love.  Sorry

and she was worse than bad

I thought she was fine.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jason on December 22, 2010, 12:54:54 PM
1) Can we sticky this thread so we don't have to search allover to ask an insignificant question?

Considering people love to complain about sticky threads knocking new threads off the main page after a day or two, it won't be me doing it, that's for sure.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Myk Luhv on December 22, 2010, 04:08:39 PM
If "Winter Symphony" wasn't meant to turn up on the 1977 Christmas album, what do we know about the original sessions? Some website I've never heard of until now (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/) mentioned that "an instrumental track from the same year [1974] became 'Winter Symphony'", and the sessions which ostensibly turned whatever it was before into a Christmas some occurred on November 15, 21 and 22, 1977. Anyone know a more perspicuous lineage for that backing track?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on December 22, 2010, 10:21:01 PM
1) Can we sticky this thread so we don't have to search allover to ask an insignificant question?

Considering people love to complain about sticky threads knocking new threads off the main page after a day or two, it won't be me doing it, that's for sure.

sorry


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on December 23, 2010, 04:34:48 AM
Why do i always think of awesome questions for this thread during the night/when i'm in the shower/out and about and always forget them by the time it comes to post them here?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 23, 2010, 06:39:09 AM
Why do i always think of awesome questions for this thread during the night/when i'm in the shower/out and about and always forget them by the time it comes to post them here?

It's called early onset amnesia: welcome to the club.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on December 23, 2010, 07:09:20 AM
Why do i always think of awesome questions for this thread during the night/when i'm in the shower/out and about and always forget them by the time it comes to post them here?

I have the best ideas when I'm sloshed. In fact, several times in my student days I solved the riddle of the Universe in this condition. Thing is: when I woke up, I hadn't got a clue anymore.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 23, 2010, 07:31:50 AM
Why do i always think of awesome questions for this thread during the night/when i'm in the shower/out and about and always forget them by the time it comes to post them here?

I have the best ideas when I'm sloshed. In fact, several times in my student days I solved the riddle of the Universe in this condition. Thing is: when I woke up, I hadn't got a clue anymore.

Totally OT, but I can't pass up the opening.  There's a story that, back in the early 20th century, there was a man who, every time he indulged in laughing gas, did indeed grasp the secret of the cosmos, but every time he sobered up, forgot it. Finally, one day, as he was slipping under, he managed to scribble down his revelation and on reawakening, hastily looked at what he'd written. Which was:

"A smell of petroleum prevails throughout."


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on December 23, 2010, 07:44:53 AM
Why do i always think of awesome questions for this thread during the night/when i'm in the shower/out and about and always forget them by the time it comes to post them here?

I have the best ideas when I'm sloshed. In fact, several times in my student days I solved the riddle of the Universe in this condition. Thing is: when I woke up, I hadn't got a clue anymore.
i know exactly what you mean. i smoked a little bit last night (haven't for a long time), so I try listening to some good music to enjoy....somehow Al Jardine's Christmas Time is Here Again. I almost hit forward on my pod, then I think, I'm gonna figure this song out. Then I got thinking about if all the Christmas stuff was recorded before the actual MIU stuff was and why MIU sounds better than the Christmas stuff and yada yada....so I wasted my high on thinking about MIU. LMAO


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on December 23, 2010, 03:50:23 PM
Why do i always think of awesome questions for this thread during the night/when i'm in the shower/out and about and always forget them by the time it comes to post them here?

I have the best ideas when I'm sloshed. In fact, several times in my student days I solved the riddle of the Universe in this condition. Thing is: when I woke up, I hadn't got a clue anymore.

Totally OT, but I can't pass up the opening.  There's a story that, back in the early 20th century, there was a man who, every time he indulged in laughing gas, did indeed grasp the secret of the cosmos, but every time he sobered up, forgot it. Finally, one day, as he was slipping under, he managed to scribble down his revelation and on reawakening, hastily looked at what he'd written. Which was:

"A smell of petroleum prevails throughout."

Somewhat prescient for the beginning of the century....  :lol


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 24, 2010, 12:04:49 AM
Why do i always think of awesome questions for this thread during the night/when i'm in the shower/out and about and always forget them by the time it comes to post them here?

I have the best ideas when I'm sloshed. In fact, several times in my student days I solved the riddle of the Universe in this condition. Thing is: when I woke up, I hadn't got a clue anymore.
i know exactly what you mean. i smoked a little bit last night (haven't for a long time), so I try listening to some good music to enjoy....somehow Al Jardine's Christmas Time is Here Again. I almost hit forward on my pod, then I think, I'm gonna figure this song out. Then I got thinking about if all the Christmas stuff was recorded before the actual MIU stuff was and why MIU sounds better than the Christmas stuff and yada yada....so I wasted my high on thinking about MIU. LMAO

You could have saved yourself the anguish by just checking out the session dates on 10452, which shows that the Xmas tracks and the MIU were recorded in tandem.  ;D


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on December 24, 2010, 12:36:40 AM
Why do i always think of awesome questions for this thread during the night/when i'm in the shower/out and about and always forget them by the time it comes to post them here?

I have the best ideas when I'm sloshed. In fact, several times in my student days I solved the riddle of the Universe in this condition. Thing is: when I woke up, I hadn't got a clue anymore.
i know exactly what you mean. i smoked a little bit last night (haven't for a long time), so I try listening to some good music to enjoy....somehow Al Jardine's Christmas Time is Here Again. I almost hit forward on my pod, then I think, I'm gonna figure this song out. Then I got thinking about if all the Christmas stuff was recorded before the actual MIU stuff was and why MIU sounds better than the Christmas stuff and yada yada....so I wasted my high on thinking about MIU. LMAO

You could have saved yourself the anguish by just checking out the session dates on 10452, which shows that the Xmas tracks and the MIU were recorded in tandem.  ;D

well, i was listening in my car. so i try to imagine these type of things


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on December 29, 2010, 01:58:24 PM
Why do i always think of awesome questions for this thread during the night/when i'm in the shower/out and about and always forget them by the time it comes to post them here?

I have the best ideas when I'm sloshed. In fact, several times in my student days I solved the riddle of the Universe in this condition. Thing is: when I woke up, I hadn't got a clue anymore.
i know exactly what you mean. i smoked a little bit last night (haven't for a long time), so I try listening to some good music to enjoy....somehow Al Jardine's Christmas Time is Here Again. I almost hit forward on my pod, then I think, I'm gonna figure this song out. Then I got thinking about if all the Christmas stuff was recorded before the actual MIU stuff was and why MIU sounds better than the Christmas stuff and yada yada....so I wasted my high on thinking about MIU. LMAO

You could have saved yourself the anguish by just checking out the session dates on 10452, which shows that the Xmas tracks and the MIU were recorded in tandem.  ;D

well, i was listening in my car. so i try to imagine these type of things

Hold on a moment, you were operating a motor vehicle under the influence of drugs?  :o :o :o


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on December 29, 2010, 07:13:14 PM
It's America isn't it?  ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on January 02, 2011, 12:32:37 PM
I finally remembered two of the things I wanted to ask!

1) are some of Al's vocals on In Concert sped up? You Still Believe In Me sounds like it especially, the organs 'wibble' like the tape's being manipulated and it's in C, as opposed to it's original key of B, which they didn't change when playing it live previously?

2) Were any other tapes for famous songs lost in the massive clearout that robbed us of the GV vocal tapes? I've only heard that story in relation to that song....


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on January 02, 2011, 12:36:02 PM
I finally remembered two of the things I wanted to ask!

1) are some of Al's vocals on In Concert sped up? You Still Believe In Me sounds like it especially, the organs 'wibble' like the tape's being manipulated and it's in C, as opposed to it's original key of B, which they didn't change when playing it live previously?

2) Were any other tapes for famous songs lost in the massive clearout that robbed us of the GV vocal tapes? I've only heard that story in relation to that song....

I can just hear the people doing the tape clear out:  "I'm picking up Good Vibrations, I'm putting them in my car"


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 02, 2011, 12:41:42 PM
I finally remembered two of the things I wanted to ask!

1) are some of Al's vocals on In Concert sped up? You Still Believe In Me sounds like it especially, the organs 'wibble' like the tape's being manipulated and it's in C, as opposed to it's original key of B, which they didn't change when playing it live previously?

2) Were any other tapes for famous songs lost in the massive clearout that robbed us of the GV vocal tapes? I've only heard that story in relation to that song....

I can just hear the people doing the tape clear out:  "I'm picking up Good Vibrations, I'm putting them in my car"

Whole bunch of Byrds multitracks as well, apparently. Basically, if the tapes were stored at Columbia, they were gonners.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on January 02, 2011, 12:45:22 PM
I finally remembered two of the things I wanted to ask!

1) are some of Al's vocals on In Concert sped up? You Still Believe In Me sounds like it especially, the organs 'wibble' like the tape's being manipulated and it's in C, as opposed to it's original key of B, which they didn't change when playing it live previously?

2) Were any other tapes for famous songs lost in the massive clearout that robbed us of the GV vocal tapes? I've only heard that story in relation to that song....

I can just hear the people doing the tape clear out:  "I'm picking up Good Vibrations, I'm putting them in my car"

Whole bunch of Byrds multitracks as well, apparently. Basically, if the tapes were stored at Columbia, they were gonners.

SO: my brain is like the spaghetti strainer. Can someone refresh my memory?  were the tapes thrown out or did someone take them?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 02, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
I finally remembered two of the things I wanted to ask!

1) are some of Al's vocals on In Concert sped up? You Still Believe In Me sounds like it especially, the organs 'wibble' like the tape's being manipulated and it's in C, as opposed to it's original key of B, which they didn't change when playing it live previously?

2) Were any other tapes for famous songs lost in the massive clearout that robbed us of the GV vocal tapes? I've only heard that story in relation to that song....

I can just hear the people doing the tape clear out:  "I'm picking up Good Vibrations, I'm putting them in my car"

Whole bunch of Byrds multitracks as well, apparently. Basically, if the tapes were stored at Columbia, they were gonners.

SO: my brain is like the spaghetti strainer. Can someone refresh my memory?  were the tapes thrown out or did someone take them?

According to Bruce, the tapes were stored in what used to be the balcony of the theatre the studio was before it was, er, a studio, and in spring 1967, they just threw a whole load of them in the dumpster.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on January 02, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
I finally remembered two of the things I wanted to ask!

1) are some of Al's vocals on In Concert sped up? You Still Believe In Me sounds like it especially, the organs 'wibble' like the tape's being manipulated and it's in C, as opposed to it's original key of B, which they didn't change when playing it live previously?

2) Were any other tapes for famous songs lost in the massive clearout that robbed us of the GV vocal tapes? I've only heard that story in relation to that song....

Uh, yeah, that's going to make it a bit tougher. Anyone know what landfill they were using at the time?  It wasn't Scranton, was it?  

I can just hear the people doing the tape clear out:  "I'm picking up Good Vibrations, I'm putting them in my car"

Whole bunch of Byrds multitracks as well, apparently. Basically, if the tapes were stored at Columbia, they were gonners.

SO: my brain is like the spaghetti strainer. Can someone refresh my memory?  were the tapes thrown out or did someone take them?

According to Bruce, the tapes were stored in what used to be the balcony of the theatre the studio was before it was, er, a studio, and in spring 1967, they just threw a whole load of them in the dumpster.

That makes it a bit tougher.. The landfill they were using then wasn't Scranton, was it? 


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: metal flake paint on January 02, 2011, 02:28:32 PM
Quote
According to Bruce, the tapes were stored in what used to be the balcony of the theatre the studio was before it was, er, a studio, and in spring 1967, they just threw a whole load of them in the dumpster.

Philistines! >:(


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 02, 2011, 03:18:24 PM
I finally remembered two of the things I wanted to ask!

1) are some of Al's vocals on In Concert sped up? You Still Believe In Me sounds like it especially, the organs 'wibble' like the tape's being manipulated and it's in C, as opposed to it's original key of B, which they didn't change when playing it live previously?

2) Were any other tapes for famous songs lost in the massive clearout that robbed us of the GV vocal tapes? I've only heard that story in relation to that song....

Uh, yeah, that's going to make it a bit tougher. Anyone know what landfill they were using at the time?  It wasn't Scranton, was it?  

I can just hear the people doing the tape clear out:  "I'm picking up Good Vibrations, I'm putting them in my car"

Whole bunch of Byrds multitracks as well, apparently. Basically, if the tapes were stored at Columbia, they were gonners.

SO: my brain is like the spaghetti strainer. Can someone refresh my memory?  were the tapes thrown out or did someone take them?

According to Bruce, the tapes were stored in what used to be the balcony of the theatre the studio was before it was, er, a studio, and in spring 1967, they just threw a whole load of them in the dumpster.

That makes it a bit tougher.. The landfill they were using then wasn't Scranton, was it? 

Lessee... Columbia Studio is in California... Scranton in in Pennsylvania... doubt it somehow.  ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on January 02, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
I finally remembered two of the things I wanted to ask!

1) are some of Al's vocals on In Concert sped up? You Still Believe In Me sounds like it especially, the organs 'wibble' like the tape's being manipulated and it's in C, as opposed to it's original key of B, which they didn't change when playing it live previously?

2) Were any other tapes for famous songs lost in the massive clearout that robbed us of the GV vocal tapes? I've only heard that story in relation to that song....

Uh, yeah, that's going to make it a bit tougher. Anyone know what landfill they were using at the time?  It wasn't Scranton, was it?  

I can just hear the people doing the tape clear out:  "I'm picking up Good Vibrations, I'm putting them in my car"

Whole bunch of Byrds multitracks as well, apparently. Basically, if the tapes were stored at Columbia, they were gonners.

SO: my brain is like the spaghetti strainer. Can someone refresh my memory?  were the tapes thrown out or did someone take them?

According to Bruce, the tapes were stored in what used to be the balcony of the theatre the studio was before it was, er, a studio, and in spring 1967, they just threw a whole load of them in the dumpster.

That makes it a bit tougher.. The landfill they were using then wasn't Scranton, was it? 

Lessee... Columbia Studio is in California... Scranton in in Pennsylvania... doubt it somehow.  ;)

But of course yer right.
What's the chances a bunch of tapes put in a landfill in 1967 might have anything still left on them? 
If they were landfilled and not burned. Not sure what they did with trash in '67 California.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on January 03, 2011, 09:25:49 AM
I finally remembered two of the things I wanted to ask!

1) are some of Al's vocals on In Concert sped up? You Still Believe In Me sounds like it especially, the organs 'wibble' like the tape's being manipulated and it's in C, as opposed to it's original key of B, which they didn't change when playing it live previously?

2) Were any other tapes for famous songs lost in the massive clearout that robbed us of the GV vocal tapes? I've only heard that story in relation to that song....

Uh, yeah, that's going to make it a bit tougher. Anyone know what landfill they were using at the time?  It wasn't Scranton, was it?  

I can just hear the people doing the tape clear out:  "I'm picking up Good Vibrations, I'm putting them in my car"

Whole bunch of Byrds multitracks as well, apparently. Basically, if the tapes were stored at Columbia, they were gonners.

SO: my brain is like the spaghetti strainer. Can someone refresh my memory?  were the tapes thrown out or did someone take them?

According to Bruce, the tapes were stored in what used to be the balcony of the theatre the studio was before it was, er, a studio, and in spring 1967, they just threw a whole load of them in the dumpster.

That makes it a bit tougher.. The landfill they were using then wasn't Scranton, was it? 

Lessee... Columbia Studio is in California... Scranton in in Pennsylvania... doubt it somehow.  ;)

But of course yer right.
What's the chances a bunch of tapes put in a landfill in 1967 might have anything still left on them? 
If they were landfilled and not burned. Not sure what they did with trash in '67 California.
64


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 03, 2011, 09:31:16 AM
64 ?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on January 03, 2011, 09:32:33 AM
64 ?

Oh, in a fit of absence I answered the question that bgas has under his avatar. My aim is to please people.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on January 03, 2011, 06:36:38 PM
Did Harry Nilsson ever cover any Beach Boy tunes?
If not, that's be a damn shame, think about that voice on their songs, phew, Harry and Brian are prolly my top 2 favorite vocalists ever.

Think about what Harry coulda done with Our Prayer. With overdubbing his few for all the voices, I couldn't express it with words.

One can only dream.

And yes, I'm aware that Brian covered This Could Be the Night and Carl sang on Without Her on the For the Love of Harry tribute album.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on January 03, 2011, 06:42:13 PM
I was listening to some of the Imagination outtakes earlier and there's an instrumental track of She Says that She Needs Me (not the Sherri She Needs Me track from 65) and I was wondering if it's the same track that was used on the Imagination album. I know it's on the Dumb Angel (BW solo) boot. The track I was listening to starts out with sax instead of a clarinet but it sounds a little different.

(Again, I'm not talking about the track recorded in 65 that Brian recorded vocals on in 76)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on January 03, 2011, 07:21:26 PM
With talking about the early mixes of 15 Big Ones (sounding better), I was wondering, since it sounds so good, is Sea Cruise one of those early mixes (thus sounding better than 3/4 of 15 Big ones)?
I feel like you can hear the instruments a lot better on Sea Cruise.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on January 08, 2011, 03:15:24 PM

Obviously Mike has a fascination with re-recording his tunes (just like Brian and sometimes Denny)
Evidence of this:
Big Sur (Surf's Up) redone for Holland
Everyone's in Love With You redone for Unleash the Love (2004), same with Brian's Back, Glow Cresent Glow, 10,000 Years, and a couple of other tunes.
Sumahama (LA) along with other versions, unless they're just different mixes.
Surfin' (original) revised as a 'up-to-date' version (SIP)


So hows come, outta all that? Why don't we own a real/released mix of the original Big Sur.
I wonder if it was up for grabs during the research for the GV Box Set, would he have said yes?



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 08, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
"Everyone's In Love With You" was also re-recorded for Country Love.  :thud


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on January 08, 2011, 04:28:45 PM
"Everyone's In Love With You" was also re-recorded for Country Love.  :thud

that's right, I actually don't have any recordings (as one shouldn't) of Country/First Love recordings, so that's off my radar.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Paulos on January 08, 2011, 04:34:36 PM
I wish I could unhear Country Love  :'(


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on January 08, 2011, 04:52:11 PM
I wish I could unhear Country Love  :'(

Try listening to it backwards.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on January 08, 2011, 04:59:41 PM
I'd like tor reiterate my man Punkinhead's question Re: Big Sur. Did Mike veto it for the boxset, or something? Was that somewhat rough mix we obviously don't possess not considered polished enough for inclusion? etc


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: rab2591 on January 10, 2011, 09:21:06 AM
Was 'That Special Feeling' ever recorded by the band, or was it just left as a demo?

By lack of any wikipedia pages on the song I take it that it was left as a demo...

BTW, do you all think that 'Adult Child' was a step backward from 'Love You' or a step forward?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 10, 2011, 09:39:00 AM
Neither, it was more of a two step side step.  ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Sound of Free on January 10, 2011, 06:00:29 PM
Hearing the song today, for the 1,000th or so time, made me wonder for the first time, why is it called "You" Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone instead of "I" need a mess of help, like it it is throughout the song?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on January 11, 2011, 07:25:18 AM
Why was Brian obsessed with demoing Don't Talk in various ways? We have a piano demo and the vocal snippet, which was supposed to demonstrate to it to string players, correct? (Which, if you think about it, doesn't make sense - the eventual string part corresponds to different sections of the song to the snippet)

 Why? He didn't do it with other orchestrated tunes on Pet Sounds.... unless he did *dreams idly about an acapella Let's Go Away....*

And i'm getting a wee bit sick of asking this question constantly, but do other Brian piano demos for Pet Sounds,like Don't Talk exist in the vaults? They must do, but no-ones said either way yet!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: The Heartical Don on January 11, 2011, 07:30:43 AM
I wish I could unhear Country Love  :'(

I never heard it. I will grow to be 100+ years old. I am sorry for you.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 11, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
And i'm getting a wee bit sick of asking this question constantly, but do other Brian piano demos for Pet Sounds,like Don't Talk exist in the vaults? They must do, but no-ones said either way yet!

My stance is that none turning up on the sessions box says 'no'.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 21, 2011, 12:56:47 AM
How did the title for the song "Slip On Through" come about? I've always been fascinated by song titles that seemingly have nothing to do with the lyrics.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 21, 2011, 09:02:13 AM
How did the title for the song "Slip On Through" come about? I've always been fascinated by song titles that seemingly have nothing to do with the lyrics.
The third and fourth lines of the song are...
You've got the ticket, come on slip inside
And let my song take you for a ride


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on January 21, 2011, 09:42:49 AM
How did the title for the song "Slip On Through" come about? I've always been fascinated by song titles that seemingly have nothing to do with the lyrics.
The third and fourth lines of the song are...
You've got the ticket, come on slip inside
And let my song take you for a ride


...and, of course, we can presume that the title "Slip Inside" was considered for all of two seconds before replacing it with "Slip On Through".


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 21, 2011, 11:18:18 PM
How did the title for the song "Slip On Through" come about? I've always been fascinated by song titles that seemingly have nothing to do with the lyrics.
The third and fourth lines of the song are...
You've got the ticket, come on slip inside
And let my song take you for a ride

I knew that it said something about "slip", but I couldn't make out the exact lyrics, so thanks for that quote.  :) I think Roger Ryan might be on to something.  ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: rab2591 on January 24, 2011, 08:41:42 PM
Has anyone here watched the documentary on the 'Lucky Old Sun' DVD (it's supposedly about Southern California and its influence on Brian's work)? Is it worth getting?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 25, 2011, 01:11:09 AM
Has anyone here watched the documentary on the 'Lucky Old Sun' DVD (it's supposedly about Southern California and its influence on Brian's work)? Is it worth getting?

Don't recall seeing that.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on January 25, 2011, 01:21:40 AM
Can I really hear Al drop an F-bomb inbetween the second verse and chorus of Honkin' Down The Highway?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: rab2591 on January 25, 2011, 07:31:05 AM
Has anyone here watched the documentary on the 'Lucky Old Sun' DVD (it's supposedly about Southern California and its influence on Brian's work)? Is it worth getting?

Don't recall seeing that.

I just ordered it from Amazon. I'll write up a review here after I see it. I looked it up on google and apparently it is a fairly good documentary - and supposedly it shows a lot of footage of Brian, during the TLOS sessions, really working with the musicians in the studio etc. I'm looking forward to seeing it!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 25, 2011, 08:08:45 AM
How did the title for the song "Slip On Through" come about? I've always been fascinated by song titles that seemingly have nothing to do with the lyrics.
The third and fourth lines of the song are...
You've got the ticket, come on slip inside
And let my song take you for a ride

I knew that it said something about "slip", but I couldn't make out the exact lyrics, so thanks for that quote.  :) I think Roger Ryan might be on to something.  ;)
The other thing to consider is that Dennis was trying to write songs with a Doors vibe around that time(according to Stan Shapiro), and he liked the song Break On Through.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: shelter on January 25, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
Has anyone here watched the documentary on the 'Lucky Old Sun' DVD (it's supposedly about Southern California and its influence on Brian's work)? Is it worth getting?

All of the 'Lucky Old Sun' DVD is excellent. I might like it even more than the 'Smile' DVD.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on January 25, 2011, 02:46:33 PM
Has anyone here watched the documentary on the 'Lucky Old Sun' DVD (it's supposedly about Southern California and its influence on Brian's work)? Is it worth getting?

All of the 'Lucky Old Sun' DVD is excellent. I might like it even more than the 'Smile' DVD.

this isn't a new dvd we're talking about, is it?
i thought this came out a year or two ago.
if that's the one, yeah, it's worth getting.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on January 25, 2011, 06:56:02 PM
When Brian said he destroyed the Smile tapes, who else thinks that what he really meant is that he erased all of the test/final vocal takes, so that it would be impossible for other people to figure out how to finish it without him?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 25, 2011, 07:20:25 PM
When Brian said he destroyed the Smile tapes, who else thinks that what he really meant is that he erased all of the test/final vocal takes, so that it would be impossible for other people to figure out how to finish it without him?
Small problm wth that theory. If Brian erased all the finished vocal takes, then he himself would not be able to finish it. Let's assume for a minute that Brian had never had any type of drug addiction or mental health problems whatsoever, and that his voice today is the same as it was in 1964. Even in the absolute best possible circumstances, I doubt that Brian would be able to remmber every minute detail of the original versions in order to recreate it today.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: BJL on January 25, 2011, 07:45:07 PM
When Brian said he destroyed the Smile tapes, who else thinks that what he really meant is that he erased all of the test/final vocal takes, so that it would be impossible for other people to figure out how to finish it without him?
Small problm wth that theory. If Brian erased all the finished vocal takes, then he himself would not be able to finish it. Let's assume for a minute that Brian had never had any type of drug addiction or mental health problems whatsoever, and that his voice today is the same as it was in 1964. Even in the absolute best possible circumstances, I doubt that Brian would be able to remmber every minute detail of the original versions in order to recreate it today.

I think its a compelling theory, because so many songs were missing lead vocals: cabinessence, do you like worms, child is the father of the man, etc., but ultimately I think there is a much more obvious explanation.  Brian was waiting to record lead vocals until he had decided on the order of the sections and assembled them.  Cabinessence, for example, wasn't just missing a lead vocal, it also needed to be assembled from its constituent pieces (Carl did both for 20/20).  Child is the Father of the Man had a finished backing track mix, but wasn't it just a test mix?  Do you like worms doesnt totally fit this theory, because he could have easily recorded those verse vocals, but Surf's up certainly wasn't assembled (and in fact, it seems that Brian made an effort to ensure that the song was preserved in demo form, perhaps suspecting that it would never be finished in any other.)  I'm in Great Shape/Barnyard suite etc., was far from assembled, and lead vocals were probably waiting on an assembly and an order for the different sections.  Vegetables, Wonderful, and You were my Sunshine all had lead vocals, as did Windchimes and Heroes.  So I'd say the evidence for that theory is pretty thin, since so many lead vocals were not wiped, and since the songs without lead vocals were still in sections for the most part.  The most frustrating one for me is Child is the Father of the Man, because I just can't shake the sense that it would have had a melody and lead vocal along the lines of the songs from pet sounds: that it would have felt more song like.  But the chances of that melody being recovered, if it ever existed, seem pretty miniscule, and I doubt that's because Brian wiped them...far more likely that he never wrote them, even if he intended to.   


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on January 27, 2011, 06:06:23 AM
How's this for insignificant:

What was the model of Van Dyke's Volvo that Brian bought him? Was it the older 'Amazon' model (120/130) or was it the then brandnew 140 series?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: rab2591 on January 27, 2011, 07:55:17 AM
Has anyone here watched the documentary on the 'Lucky Old Sun' DVD (it's supposedly about Southern California and its influence on Brian's work)? Is it worth getting?

All of the 'Lucky Old Sun' DVD is excellent. I might like it even more than the 'Smile' DVD.

this isn't a new dvd we're talking about, is it?
i thought this came out a year or two ago.
if that's the one, yeah, it's worth getting.

No, it's not a new one....it's the one that came out a year or two ago. There are no in-depth reviews for the documentary on amazon so I was a little hesitant on getting it. Thanks for responding!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: John Manning on January 27, 2011, 08:11:18 AM
Cabinessence, for example, wasn't just missing a lead vocal, it also needed to be assembled from its constituent pieces (Carl did both for 20/20). 

Pretty sure CE was assembled SMiLE-era and only lacked vox. Seem to recall one of the earlier SMiLE boots demonstrated this.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 27, 2011, 09:30:01 AM
I know they frequently worked together on and off for decades but what was Bruce and Terry Melcher's relationship like outside of the studio? Were they close? In many respects they were polar opposites, Melcher seemed to embrace the whole sex, drugs and rock n' roll lifestyle, while Bruce was 'Mr. Squeaky Clean'.  Did this ever cause conflict between the two? It's hard to imagine Terry dragging Bruce off to a drug fueled orgy!! Was it merely creative interests that kept them in close contact or was there a more common ground?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on January 27, 2011, 03:39:57 PM
Who plays the Marxophone on "when girls get together" ?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2011, 08:28:46 PM
Can I really hear Al drop an F-bomb inbetween the second verse and chorus of Honkin' Down The Highway?
I don't think I've ever heard anything about that before. Now I'm curios, too.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 28, 2011, 01:26:01 AM
Who plays the Marxophone on "when girls get together" ?

Chico.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on January 28, 2011, 05:26:17 AM
Who plays the Marxophone on "when girls get together" ?

Chico.
and The Man?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Cam Mott on January 28, 2011, 05:41:34 AM
How's this for insignificant:

What was the model of Van Dyke's Volvo that Brian bought him? Was it the older 'Amazon' model (120/130) or was it the then brandnew 140 series?

Frank Holmes remembered it 10 years ago as gun metal gray, four door, new [as opposed to used I presume], he thought a '65.  Does that help?

When did the '66 models become available, I remember it being generally in the Fall of '65 for American models. Anybody?

Later: Someone should e-mail Van Dyke, he's a guy, he'd probably enjoy an e-mail about an old car.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on January 28, 2011, 06:45:17 AM
If it was a '65 it was definitely an Amazon. The 140 series came along in 1966, with the four door version being presented first, on August 17, 1966. Asking Van Dyke himself is of course a good idea. I'll put together an email.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 28, 2011, 07:06:16 AM
Who plays the Marxophone on "when girls get together" ?

Chico.
and The Man?

Nah, Harpo's brother.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 28, 2011, 07:18:59 AM
If it was a '65 it was definitely an Amazon. The 140 series came along in 1966, with the four door version being presented first, on August 17, 1966. Asking Van Dyke himself is of course a good idea. I'll put together an email.

Please post his answer if you get one - I'm interested too!  :)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on January 28, 2011, 07:52:00 AM

yeah yeah. All I know is this Ebay listing, for a Marxophone, says it was used on that song: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Marxophone-Vintage-String-Instrument-/230579076866


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 28, 2011, 08:04:42 AM

yeah yeah. All I know is this Ebay listing, for a Marxophone, says it was used on that song:  
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Marxophone-Vintage-String-Instrument-/230579076866

Craig may be able to shine more light, but on the AFM I've seen for "WGGT", there's no Marxophone listed. That said, there are two credits for 'mandolin' - Al Vescovo and Ray Pohlman - and it's possible someone thought they were playing such as opposed to a Marxophone.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 28, 2011, 08:08:11 AM
yeah yeah. All I know is this Ebay listing, for a Marxophone, says it was used on that song: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Marxophone-Vintage-String-Instrument-/230579076866

Um... actually, it only mentions "WGGT" as an example of a song using a Marxophone... unless Portishead, The Beach Boys, The All-American Rejects, Queens of the Stone Age, Failure and Incubus all managed to track down the exact same instrument to use on their songs.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on January 28, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
yeah yeah. All I know is this Ebay listing, for a Marxophone, says it was used on that song: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Marxophone-Vintage-String-Instrument-/230579076866

Um... actually, it only mentions "WGGT" as an example of a song using a Marxophone... unless Portishead, The Beach Boys, The All-American Rejects, Queens of the Stone Age, Failure and Incubus all managed to track down the exact same instrument to use on their songs.

It seems a bit curious, but since I don't have the sessions info, I figured to leave it to them that does.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Roger Ryan on January 28, 2011, 08:57:59 AM
yeah yeah. All I know is this Ebay listing, for a Marxophone, says it was used on that song: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Marxophone-Vintage-String-Instrument-/230579076866

Um... actually, it only mentions "WGGT" as an example of a song using a Marxophone... unless Portishead, The Beach Boys, The All-American Rejects, Queens of the Stone Age, Failure and Incubus all managed to track down the exact same instrument to use on their songs.

This is what I'm reading...


It can be heard on these modern recordings:

"Sour Times" by Portishead
"When Girls Get Together" by The Beach Boys
"Another Heart Calls" by The All-American Rejects
"Someone's in the Wolf" by Queens of the Stone Age
"Blank" by Failure
"Anna Molly" and "Leech" by Incubus


I get the impression that there are quite a few surviving Marxophones out there and don't think the listing is trying to imply that the specific instrument being auctioned is the one that appears on any of the recordings mentioned; it's just the same model.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: bgas on January 28, 2011, 09:18:41 AM
yeah yeah. All I know is this Ebay listing, for a Marxophone, says it was used on that song: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Marxophone-Vintage-String-Instrument-/230579076866

Um... actually, it only mentions "WGGT" as an example of a song using a Marxophone... unless Portishead, The Beach Boys, The All-American Rejects, Queens of the Stone Age, Failure and Incubus all managed to track down the exact same instrument to use on their songs.

This is what I'm reading...


It can be heard on these modern recordings:

"Sour Times" by Portishead
"When Girls Get Together" by The Beach Boys
"Another Heart Calls" by The All-American Rejects
"Someone's in the Wolf" by Queens of the Stone Age
"Blank" by Failure
"Anna Molly" and "Leech" by Incubus


I get the impression that there are quite a few surviving Marxophones out there and don't think the listing is trying to imply that the specific instrument being auctioned is the one that appears on any of the recordings mentioned; it's just the same model.

Oh I got that part!  Is that what AGD was implying? ( all of them using the same marxophone)  Nah...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Alex on January 28, 2011, 09:56:36 AM
Might as well try asking my moronic question here, googling isn't helping much.

Gershwin's music is supposed to come into the public domain soon, right? Does this mean the songs he wrote with Ira (or indeed others) come into the public domain with it, or do the lyrics remain copyrighted? Pardon my ignorance of copyright law, but there it is. Thanks!

I know that copyright in the States now extends from the life of the author plus 70 years.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: rab2591 on January 31, 2011, 05:11:52 PM
I've been searching for this thread on and off throughout the day to no avail;

Can anyone link me to the thread where (I think) Steve Desper talks about how we can trade in (plus a small sum of $) our CD copies of Surf's Up and Sunflower to get his mix of the albums?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on January 31, 2011, 06:34:22 PM
When did Carl/Al first sing the bicycle rider verse of Heroes and Villains in concert? Was it an impromptu thing? I've always wondered what Brian thought of it.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on January 31, 2011, 07:09:56 PM
I have a question.
The other day, I was listening to At My Window and I know it's based on Raspberries Strawberries, does anyone know anything about it? I was thinking where Brian start's talking French, maybe that's the chorus;l just singing Raaaasspberries, Straaaaaawberries.
Does that make sense?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: lance on January 31, 2011, 07:23:24 PM
I think Raspberry Strawberries is an old folk song; I wouldn't be surprised but I bet that the melody is the same, considering it's Al.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 01, 2011, 12:26:39 AM
I think Raspberry Strawberries is an old folk song; I wouldn't be surprised but I bet that the melody is the same, considering it's Al.

Old Kingston Trio (surprise !) number - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKAxV3rNBpo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKAxV3rNBpo)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on February 01, 2011, 01:43:10 AM
For fecks sake, Al.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Blake Alan on February 01, 2011, 12:58:39 PM
I've been searching for this thread on and off throughout the day to no avail;

Can anyone link me to the thread where (I think) Steve Desper talks about how we can trade in (plus a small sum of $) our CD copies of Surf's Up and Sunflower to get his mix of the albums?



On page 9 of the Stephen Desper thread, he retracted the offer after his fee for the service was called into question (legally speaking). He said he wanted to consult with his lawyers before re-instating the offer, but I don't think it was ever brought up again. Perhaps the word from the legal men wasn't so good...

Here's a link to that page if you'd like to read it in his own words:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=f2d7fac54b8f3191ff2fdc111c982094&topic=1203.200 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=f2d7fac54b8f3191ff2fdc111c982094&topic=1203.200)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on February 01, 2011, 07:25:16 PM
What's the story with the scream during the fade of Be With Me?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: rab2591 on February 01, 2011, 08:06:36 PM
I've been searching for this thread on and off throughout the day to no avail;

Can anyone link me to the thread where (I think) Steve Desper talks about how we can trade in (plus a small sum of $) our CD copies of Surf's Up and Sunflower to get his mix of the albums?



On page 9 of the Stephen Desper thread, he retracted the offer after his fee for the service was called into question (legally speaking). He said he wanted to consult with his lawyers before re-instating the offer, but I don't think it was ever brought up again. Perhaps the word from the legal men wasn't so good...

Here's a link to that page if you'd like to read it in his own words:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=f2d7fac54b8f3191ff2fdc111c982094&topic=1203.200 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=f2d7fac54b8f3191ff2fdc111c982094&topic=1203.200)


Thanks so much Bubblegum! I searched the Desper thread starting with the last page on backwards because I thought it was a recent post. I never made it back to page 9. It's a shame legality was in question - seemed only fair as we did have to buy the original version first.

 :-\


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on February 01, 2011, 09:18:19 PM
There is always the possibility that the good Mr Desper rmight be willing to provide a select few hardcore fans with a copy for free. As long is he isn't legally selling it....


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 02, 2011, 07:32:36 AM
About Van Dyke's Volvo: I e-mailed him and he said he is fairly sure it was a Volvo 123 GT (which by the way was a sportier version, with 115 hp!). He also mentioned that that car lasted for three years, after which he had a VW Bus, then a Rover sedan. These days he drives a Honda Hybrid.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SloopJohnB on February 02, 2011, 08:32:27 AM
About Van Dyke's Volvo: I e-mailed him and he said he is fairly sure it was a Volvo 123 GT (which by the way was a sportier version, with 115 hp!). He also mentioned that that car lasted for three years, after which he had a VW Bus, then a Rover sedan. These days he drives a Honda Hybrid.

A 70's Rover? I knew he was brave, but...  :lol

Still, very interesting piece of information (to me at least)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 02, 2011, 08:38:08 AM
Yea me too! Fits my picture of him nicely not to drive American cars. He also mentioned he had a 180 cc Yamaha motorcycle before he got the Volvo, but I believe I've read that elsewhere.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 02, 2011, 09:07:04 AM
Yea me too! Fits my picture of him nicely not to drive American cars. He also mentioned he had a 180 cc Yamaha motorcycle before he got the Volvo, but I believe I've read that elsewhere.

Van Dyke's criteria for choosing a Volvo had nothing to do with nationality: when Brian asked him what car he'd like, he replied that a Volvo was the safest car on the road.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 02, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
I know that. The model that Van Dyke owned became the first car in the world to, in 1959, have three-point belts in the front seats as standard equipment. But the other cars he listed was also non-American.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 03, 2011, 08:49:55 PM
I have a request and a question, all in one.

Concerning the pictures taken at the airport with Brian and the whole smile entourage (when Brian was headed to Mich. to oversee the guys play GV, I believe).

My question is how many different pics were taken? I only knew of the one that's in the Smile-Tour book with everyone posing, Jules Segal on the floor, Brian cheesing it, and so on.  I also know of the one towards the very back of LLVS where everyone is walking in the terminal. Didn't Brian have the first one framed in his home? Does it still exist somewhere? Or was it thrown out with the Smile tapes? ( ;)) 

My request is if someone could upload or point me in the direction of a site that has these pics in color.

Many Thanks!


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 03, 2011, 11:24:04 PM
Speaking of photos in color, is there any chance a new revision of LLSV would be made with all the pages in COLOR?

How amazing would that look?


Also, just a revision with articles from late 90s about Smile, then articles of Brian playing Smile songs here and there on tour, and then BWPS.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jay on February 04, 2011, 12:04:01 AM
Ok, I must be having a brainfart. What the heck is LLSV?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 12:06:10 AM
Ok, I must be having a brainfart. What the heck is LLSV?

Sorry,

Look Listen Smile Vibrate, The Smile Bible basically.
by Dominic Priore and others (I believe)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on February 04, 2011, 12:43:04 AM
Ok, I must be having a brainfart. What the heck is LLSV?

Sorry,

Look Listen Smile Vibrate, The Smile Bible basically.
by Dominic Priore and others (I believe)

Ehm, that would be Look Listen Vibrate SMiLE (LLVS).


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2011, 12:43:45 AM
I have a request and a question, all in one.

Concerning the pictures taken at the airport with Brian and the whole smile entourage (when Brian was headed to Mich. to oversee the guys play GV, I believe).

My question is how many different pics were taken? I only knew of the one that's in the Smile-Tour book with everyone posing, Jules Segal on the floor, Brian cheesing it, and so on.  I also know of the one towards the very back of LLVS where everyone is walking in the terminal. Didn't Brian have the first one framed in his home? Does it still exist somewhere? Or was it thrown out with the Smile tapes? ( ;)) 

My request is if someone could upload or point me in the direction of a site that has these pics in color.

Many Thanks!

I've seen three different prints from that 'shoot', all b/w.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: metal flake paint on February 04, 2011, 02:12:33 AM
IIRC, there were two colour "airport" pics featured in the Photo Gallery of Disc Two of the Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE DVD


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 02:21:49 AM
When Vegetables was declared to be the next single, how far did that go?
Was a sleeve made for it?
A b-side picked?
Particular version/mix?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: metal flake paint on February 04, 2011, 02:37:11 AM
When Vegetables was declared to be the next single, how far did that go?
Was a sleeve made for it?
A b-side picked?
Particular version/mix?

Brian posed for at least one photo at the Farmer's Market in L.A. to "promote" it and that's probably as far as it went.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 03:11:54 AM
When Vegetables was declared to be the next single, how far did that go?
Was a sleeve made for it?
A b-side picked?
Particular version/mix?

Brian posed for at least one photo at the Farmer's Market in L.A. to "promote" it and that's probably as far as it went.

Alrighty, I know that picture...thanks


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 03:25:34 AM
There's a photo, I think it's a promo for the 20/20 album era, but not the actual cover with those particular clothes.

It's also on page 211 in the Keith Badman book, my question is: What is Al holding in this picture?

If you don't have the pic handy, its the one where Bruce is wearing a leather jacket (some refer to him as Beatle Bruce in this picture), Mike and Al both have hats on, Al's a cabby hat and Mike's, well, idk what you call it, it's a Mike hat. Carl looks a lot like Beck in this photo, with his neckerchief included. Dennis has a dark blue t-shirt on.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
Looks like a police whistle to me. Why, I have no idea... but that's what it looks like.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 03:36:29 AM
Looks like a police whistle to me. Why, I have no idea... but that's what it looks like.

I was thinking a whistle, but I wasn't sure.
been wondering for years


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2011, 03:40:13 AM
Looks like a police whistle to me. Why, I have no idea... but that's what it looks like.

I was thinking a whistle, but I wasn't sure.
been wondering for years

The odd bit apparently sticking out of the side is his belt buckle. Otherwise I would have said a can opener.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Cam Mott on February 04, 2011, 05:32:59 AM
About Van Dyke's Volvo: I e-mailed him and he said he is fairly sure it was a Volvo 123 GT (which by the way was a sportier version, with 115 hp!). He also mentioned that that car lasted for three years, after which he had a VW Bus, then a Rover sedan. These days he drives a Honda Hybrid.

Good work.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 05:48:02 AM
While looking again and again and again at LLVS, I remember see two sections that compare Smiley Smile to Pink Floyd's Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

Was this common back when they were both released?

Some often want to compare Smile to Sgt. Pepper, but I think Smiley being compared to Piper is one of the ultimate compliments!


Are there any other references/comparings of Pink Floyd to the Beach Boys by articles/literature/interviews/matter of opinion?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 05:58:41 AM
Back when they found that new intro/mix of Why Do Fools Fall in Love, didn't they find a bunch of material regarding the Shut Down Vol. 2 era? If they did, has all that material surfaced/released. I feel like it's just that version of WDFFIL & a stereo cut of Don't Worry Baby for the summer love songs collection.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 04, 2011, 06:50:12 AM
Are the lyrics for Sherry She Needs Me from 1965 or 1976?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 07:21:08 AM
BTW, how would we determine whether a question is significant enough to deserve its own thread?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 07:24:35 AM
Are the lyrics for Sherry She Needs Me from 1965 or 1976?

I'm gonna take a stab and say 65.
My reasoning is that I believe Russ Titlemen wrote the song with Brian, along with Guess I'm Dumb
...but I could be totally wrong.

Odd how Brian could pull out lyrics from 10 plus years to use, must have been safely kept.

BTW, where's your quote/signature from Brian from?
I like it a whole lot.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: hypehat on February 04, 2011, 07:28:21 AM
Back when they found that new intro/mix of Why Do Fools Fall in Love, didn't they find a bunch of material regarding the Shut Down Vol. 2 era? If they did, has all that material surfaced/released. I feel like it's just that version of WDFFIL & a stereo cut of Don't Worry Baby for the summer love songs collection.

It had tracking sessions as well, apparently, although I don't know for which songs


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2011, 08:30:50 AM
Back when they found that new intro/mix of Why Do Fools Fall in Love, didn't they find a bunch of material regarding the Shut Down Vol. 2 era? If they did, has all that material surfaced/released. I feel like it's just that version of WDFFIL & a stereo cut of Don't Worry Baby for the summer love songs collection.

It had tracking sessions as well, apparently, although I don't know for which songs

I heard "Denny's Drums" as well. Pass.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 08:44:31 AM
Back when they found that new intro/mix of Why Do Fools Fall in Love, didn't they find a bunch of material regarding the Shut Down Vol. 2 era? If they did, has all that material surfaced/released. I feel like it's just that version of WDFFIL & a stereo cut of Don't Worry Baby for the summer love songs collection.

It had tracking sessions as well, apparently, although I don't know for which songs

Dang, i was hoping for a 20 minute version of Caciaus Love vs. Sonny Wilson.  ;)

Honestly, I'd love to hear some session work for the Warmth of the Sun tracking (very underrated and to my ears is underplayed) and some vocals only of Warmth would be nice too.
Heck, even Keep an Eye On Summer matieral would be enough for me, it's a guilty pleasure of mine.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 09:23:06 AM
Was the Honeys' song Come To Me written and/or produced by Murry?
Wait, was it a Honeys song or an American Spring song?
Was this around the sporadic time of Breakaway?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Jon Stebbins on February 04, 2011, 09:33:31 AM
Back when they found that new intro/mix of Why Do Fools Fall in Love, didn't they find a bunch of material regarding the Shut Down Vol. 2 era? If they did, has all that material surfaced/released. I feel like it's just that version of WDFFIL & a stereo cut of Don't Worry Baby for the summer love songs collection.

It had tracking sessions as well, apparently, although I don't know for which songs
Tracking sessions and vocal overdubs for Why Do Fools Fall In Love, Don't Worry Baby, In The Parking Lot, Pom Pom Playgirl, also tracking sessions for This Car Of Mine and Denny's Drums. Three muti-track reels including outtakes and partial takes. The single track lead vocal version of DWB with Brian improvising with his voice on the extended ending or post fade is unbelievably cool.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 09:52:01 AM
Back when they found that new intro/mix of Why Do Fools Fall in Love, didn't they find a bunch of material regarding the Shut Down Vol. 2 era? If they did, has all that material surfaced/released. I feel like it's just that version of WDFFIL & a stereo cut of Don't Worry Baby for the summer love songs collection.

It had tracking sessions as well, apparently, although I don't know for which songs
Tracking sessions and vocal overdubs for Why Do Fools Fall In Love, Don't Worry Baby, In The Parking Lot, Pom Pom Playgirl, also tracking sessions for This Car Of Mine and Denny's Drums. Three muti-track reels including outtakes and partial takes. The single track lead vocal version of DWB with Brian improvising with his voice on the extended ending or post fade is unbelievably cool.
Any chance we could hear it in the near future?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2011, 10:00:47 AM
Was the Honeys' song Come To Me written and/or produced by Murry?
Wait, was it a Honeys song or an American Spring song?
Was this around the sporadic time of Breakaway?

Recorded 12/2/68, written, arranged & produced by Murry at Sunset.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Christian on February 04, 2011, 10:26:21 AM
Was the Honeys' song Come To Me written and/or produced by Murry?
Wait, was it a Honeys song or an American Spring song?
Was this around the sporadic time of Breakaway?

Recorded 12/2/68, written, arranged & produced by Murry at Sunset.

Arranged by Rick Henn, I think.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 10:28:50 AM
Was the Honeys' song Come To Me written and/or produced by Murry?
Wait, was it a Honeys song or an American Spring song?
Was this around the sporadic time of Breakaway?

Recorded 12/2/68, written, arranged & produced by Murry at Sunset.

Arranged by Rick Henn, I think.

OOOOOOOOOO

I smell a Duel


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2011, 11:07:09 AM
Was the Honeys' song Come To Me written and/or produced by Murry?
Wait, was it a Honeys song or an American Spring song?
Was this around the sporadic time of Breakaway?

Recorded 12/2/68, written, arranged & produced by Murry at Sunset.

Arranged by Rick Henn, I think.

OOOOOOOOOO

I smell a Duel

Rick refers to himself as "more or less the arranger".  ;)


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: metal flake paint on February 04, 2011, 12:07:21 PM
Back when they found that new intro/mix of Why Do Fools Fall in Love, didn't they find a bunch of material regarding the Shut Down Vol. 2 era? If they did, has all that material surfaced/released. I feel like it's just that version of WDFFIL & a stereo cut of Don't Worry Baby for the summer love songs collection.

It had tracking sessions as well, apparently, although I don't know for which songs
Tracking sessions and vocal overdubs for Why Do Fools Fall In Love, Don't Worry Baby, In The Parking Lot, Pom Pom Playgirl, also tracking sessions for This Car Of Mine and Denny's Drums. Three muti-track reels including outtakes and partial takes. The single track lead vocal version of DWB with Brian improvising with his voice on the extended ending or post fade is unbelievably cool.
Any chance we could hear it in the near future?

Al will be making an announcement very shortly...


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 04, 2011, 12:17:49 PM
Are the lyrics for Sherry She Needs Me from 1965 or 1976?

I'm gonna take a stab and say 65.
My reasoning is that I believe Russ Titlemen wrote the song with Brian, along with Guess I'm Dumb
...but I could be totally wrong.

Odd how Brian could pull out lyrics from 10 plus years to use, must have been safely kept.

BTW, where's your quote/signature from Brian from?
I like it a whole lot.
Good point regarding Titleman. But lines as "Sherry, don't hate her guts 'cause she took me away" sounds more like Adult Child/Love You era Brian to me.

Don't remember about the quote's origin other than it was from an article linked to from this board last fall.


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 04, 2011, 09:55:08 PM
Are the lyrics for Sherry She Needs Me from 1965 or 1976?

I'm gonna take a stab and say 65.
My reasoning is that I believe Russ Titlemen wrote the song with Brian, along with Guess I'm Dumb
...but I could be totally wrong.

Odd how Brian could pull out lyrics from 10 plus years to use, must have been safely kept.

BTW, where's your quote/signature from Brian from?
I like it a whole lot.
Good point regarding Titleman. But lines as "Sherry, don't hate her guts 'cause she took me away" sounds more like Adult Child/Love You era Brian to me.

Don't remember about the quote's origin other than it was from an article linked to from this board last fall.
I agree, the "hate her guts" line is very non-subtle (a curious trait of Brian during this era).


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: punkinhead on February 08, 2011, 11:19:25 AM
On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_pop#1960s_peak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_pop#1960s_peak), there's a part that discusses the origins of Baroque pop in which is says Bacharach experiments with different instruments and Spector uses his wall of sound.

Then it goes on and says: "In 1963 Brian Wilson probably responded to this by using string arrangements on songs on the Beach Boys' Surfer Girl album."

My question is, was the first song Brian used string arrangements on the Surfer Moon?  I was thinking it was, and I regard that song very high on early BB/BW tunes...it got me thinking about how the song Surfer Girl doesn't have any string arrangements, isn't that odd?  I know In My Room and Catch a Wave have a harp part, would that be considered a "string arrangement/section?" Are there any other songs on Surfer Moon or that era with string arrangements? Isn't there a BW-related artist that recorded or did some other form of Surfer Moon? B-side to Humpty Dumpty?


Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: rab2591 on February 08, 2011, 11:26:40 AM
On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_pop#1960s_peak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_pop#1960s_peak), there's a part that discusses the origins of Baroque pop in which is says Bacharach experiments with different instruments and Spector uses his wall of sound.

Then it goes on and says: "In 1963 Brian Wilson probably responded to this by using string arrangements on songs on the Beach Boys' Surfer Girl album."

My question is, was the first song Brian used string arrangements on the Surfer Moon?  I was thinking it was, and I regard that song very high on early BB/BW tunes...it got me thinking about how the song Surfer Girl doesn't have any string arrangements, isn't that odd?  I know In My Room and Catch a Wave have a harp part, would that be considered a "string arrangement/section?" Are there any other songs on Surfer Moon or that era with string arrangements? Isn't there a BW-related artist that recorded or did some other form of Surfer Moon? B-side to Humpty Dumpty?

Brian Wilson first recorded 'Surfer Moon' with Bob and Sheri and that became the b-side to Humpty Dumpty.



Title: Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 08, 2011, 12:56:24 PM
The track for the BB version of "Surfer Moon" wasn&