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I'm compiling a list of Beach Boys stereo remixes that is woefully incomplete and I need some help from the experts (aside from the Pet Sounds album) filling in what's missing:


Sounds of Summer:

California Girls (EH too?)
Shut Down
Wouldn’t It Be Nice
Dance Dance Dance
Heroes and Villians

I think there was 7 new stereo mixes actually?

Warmth of The Sun:

All Summer Long
You're So Good To Me,
Then I Kissed Her,
Please Let Me Wonder,
Let Him Run Wild
Kiss Me Baby (which was on the Endless Harmony CD?)
Wendy

Hawthorne

Let The Wind Blow
The Lord’s Prayer

Beach Boys Singles box

She Knows Me Too Well

Summer Love Songs

Don’t Worry Baby
Why Do Fools Fall In Love
Hushabye
I’m So Young
Good To My Baby
Time To Get Alone


I appreciate the assistance and thanking in advance!

Regards,
Cal aka "Beatle Bob"

:)

Ones you missed added in bold

Endless Harmony:
California Girls
Kiss me Baby

Sounds of Summer:

California Girls (Should be same as EH mix)
Shut Down
Wouldn’t It Be Nice
Dance Dance Dance
Heroes and Villians

I think there was 7 new stereo mixes actually? (Seems to be only those 5)

Warmth of The Sun:

All Summer Long
You're So Good To Me,
Then I Kissed Her,
Please Let Me Wonder,
Let Him Run Wild
Kiss Me Baby (which was on the Endless Harmony CD?) Yes
Wendy

Hawthorne

Let The Wind Blow
The Lord’s Prayer
Dance Dance Dance (different from Sounds of Summer.)
Salt Lake City
And Your Dream Comes True
Heroes is on here too
Vegetables (Smiley Smile extended mix)

Beach Boys Singles box

She Knows Me Too Well
When I Grow Up (To be a Man)
Little Saint Nick (Alternate mix with voices in stereo instead of instruments)

Summer Love Songs

Don’t Worry Baby
Why Do Fools Fall In Love
Hushabye
I’m So Young
Good To My Baby
Time To Get Alone

Think that's all

Thank you for the quick reply! It's appreciated! I'm making a compilation of the cv new stereo remixes for a friend who's ill. This is meant to cheer him up.

Just realized I don' t have the Singles Box as it's way too expensive....wonder if anyone could help me out with these three stereo remixes? It would be appreciated!

Thanking in advance!

Regards,
Cal "aka" Beatle Bob
:)

Don't forget "Summer Means New Love" on the Pet Sounds DVD-Audio disc.  It appears in both 2-channel stereo and 5.1 channel surround mixes.  I know with the proper software it can be extracted from the DVD-A file format to WAV.

Lee

Barbara Ann
on the ACE collection of Girls Girls Girls

Also the Stack o tracks/Party 2fer CD had several stereo remixes of instrumental tracks.

 

Is Wouldn't It Be Nice on SOS different from the version on the Pet Sounds album?

Also, all of Party! is in stereo on SOT UM 11 (which I do not own  ;).

99 cents per download on Amazon.com.  That's how I got 'em.  ;)

Lemme give y'all a rundown on stereo remixes.

Discounting Chuck Britz's somewhat "binaural" stereo mixes of several of the 1963-64 LPs, these are the real deal -

Stack-O-Tracks

Salt Lake City
Wouldn't It Be Nice
God Only Knows
You're So Good To Me
Let Him Run Wild

Summer In Paradise (UK)

Island Fever
Strange Things Happen
Remember (Walking In The Sand)
Under The Boardwalk
Summer In Paradise
Forever
Forever

Surfin' Safari/Surfin' USA two-fer (2001)

Cindy, Oh Cindy
The Baker Man

Surfer Girl/Shut Down Vol. 2 two-fer (2001)

I Do

Little Deuce Coupe/All Summer Long two-fer (2001)

All Dressed Up For School
Little Honda alternate
Don't Back Down alternate

Concert/Live In London two-fer (2001)

Don't Worry Baby
Heroes and Villains

Today!/Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) two-fer (2001)

Dance, Dance, Dance alternate
Let Him Run Wild alternate
Graduation Day

Party!/Stack-O-Tracks two-fer (1990/2001)

California Girls track
Let Him Run Wild track
Help Me Rhonda track

Smiley Smile/Wild Honey two-fer (2001)

Good Vibrations early version
Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring
Can't Wait Too Long

Friends/20/20 two-fer (2001)

We're Together Again
Walk On By
Old Folks At Home/Ol' Man River

Good Vibrations box set

Can't Wait Too Long
I Get Around track
Dance, Dance, Dance track
Heroes and Villains track
Cabinessence track
Surf's Up track
California Girls a cappella
Wouldn't It Be Nice binaural mix
Hushabye binaural mix
All Summer Long binaural mix
When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) binaural mix
Wendy binaural mix

The Pet Sounds Sessions box set

Wouldn't It Be Nice
You Still Believe In Me
That's Not Me
Don't Talk (Put Your Hand On My Shoulder)
I'm Waiting For The Day
Let's Go Away For Awhile
Sloop John B
God Only Knows
I Know There's An Answer
Here Today
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times
Pet Sounds
Caroline No
Wouldn't It Be Nice track
You Still Believe In Me track
That's Not Me track
Don't Talk (Put Your Hand On My Shoulder) track
I'm Waiting For The Day track
Let's Go Away For Awhile track
Sloop John B track
God Only Knows track
I Know There's An Answer track
Here Today track
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times track
Pet Sounds track
Caroline No track
Wouldn't It Be Nice a cappella
You Still Believe In Me a cappella
That's Not Me a cappella
Don't Talk (Put Your Hand On My Shoulder) a cappella
I'm Waiting For The Day a cappella
Let's Go Away For Awhile a cappella
Sloop John B a cappella
God Only Knows a cappella
I Know There's An Answer a cappella
Here Today a cappella
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times a cappella
Pet Sounds a cappella
Caroline No a cappella
Wouldn't It Be Nice track/backing vox

Endless Harmony (1998/2000)

California Girls (1998/2000 are different mixes)
Kiss Me Baby (1998/2000 are different mixes)
Surfer Girl a cappella (2000 - 1998 is binaural, vox/track separated, a la the 1993 box set)
Darlin' live

Ultimate Christmas

Little Saint Nick (single)
Christmas Time Is Here Again (if you consider it as a stereo remix of an unreleased track, since the original wasn't Spatialized)
Santa's Got An Airplane (if you consider it as a stereo remix of an unreleased track, since the original wasn't Spatialized)
Melekalikimaka (if you consider it as a stereo remix of an unreleased track, since the original wasn't Spatialized)
Bells Of Christmas (if you consider it as a stereo remix of an unreleased track, since the original wasn't Spatialized - plus, the released version has different vocals)
Winter Symphony (if you consider it as a stereo remix of an unreleased track)
(I Saw Santa) Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree (if you consider it as a stereo remix of an unreleased track)

Hawthorne, CA

Surfin' USA track
Fun, Fun, Fun track
Dance, Dance, Dance
Kiss Me Baby a cappella
Good To My Baby track
Salt Lake City
And Your Dream Comes True
Barbara Ann minus overdubs
Devoted To You minus overdubs
In The Back Of My Mind track
Can't Wait Too Long a cappella
Heroes and Villains
Vegetables
Let The Wind Blow
I Went To Sleep a cappella
Be With Me track
Cotton Fields
Add Some Music To Your Day a cappella
Forever a cappella
Sail On Sailor track/backing vox
The Lord's Prayer

Pet Sounds DVD-A

Summer Means New Love
Plus, like the whole album in surround might count!

Sounds Of Summer

California Girls
Shut Down
Dance, Dance, Dance
Heroes and Villains
Wouldn't It Be Nice

Good Vibrations single reissue

Good Vibrations track

The Warmth of the Sun

All Summer Long
You're So Good To Me
Then I Kissed Her
Please Let Me Wonder
Let Him Run Wild

US Singles Collection

She Knows Me Too Well
When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)
Little Saint Nick (single)
Do You Wanna Dance track

Summer Love Songs

Don’t Worry Baby
Why Do Fools Fall In Love
Hushabye
I’m So Young
Good To My Baby
Time To Get Alone
Fallin' In Love (Lady)

Never Been Kissed soundtrack

Don't Worry Baby

Unreleased stereo mixes/remixes, as follows...tracks with more than one unreleased stereo mix are repeated -

Surfin' USA track
Farmer's Daughter
Lana
All Summer Long track
All Summer Long
Do You Remember?
Don't Back Down
She Knows Me Too Well track/backing vox
She Knows Me Too Well
When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) track
I'm So Young alternate
Dance, Dance, Dance track
Dance, Dance, Dance a cappella
Dance, Dance, Dance
Dance, Dance, Dance
Please Let Me Wonder a cappella
Good To My Baby track
Good To My Baby
In The Back Of My Mind track
Help Me Rhonda track
Help Me Rhonda a cappella
Help Me Rhonda
Let Him Run Wild track
California Girls track
Girl Don't Tell Me ("goshdarn IT, merda!!!!!!!!!!!!" - Carl Wilson)
The Little Girl I Once Knew track
Three Blind Mice
Three Blind Mice
Three Blind Mice
Sloop John B track
Sloop John B track
Sloop John B
Sloop John B
Sloop John B
Sloop John B
Let's Go Away For Awhile
Let's Go Away For Awhile
Wouldn't It Be Nice track
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Wouldn't It Be Nice
You Still Believe In Me track
Caroline No
Caroline No
Hang On To Your Ego/I Know There's An Answer track
Hang On To Your Ego
Hang On To Your Ego
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times track
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times track
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times
I'm Waiting For The Day track
Here Today track
Here Today track
Here Today
Here Today
Here Today
God Only Knows track
God Only Knows track
God Only Knows track
Don't Talk (Put Your Hand On My Shoulder)
Don't Talk (Put Your Hand On My Shoulder)
Don't Talk (Put Your Hand On My Shoulder)
Vega-Tables demo
Vega-Tables demo
Mrs. O'Leary's Cow
Child Is Father Of The Man
Heroes and Villains (Bicycle Rider)
Heroes and Villains (Parts 1 & 2 test mix)
Heroes and Villains (prelude to fade)
I Love To Say Da Da
Vegetables a cappella
Fall Breaks and Back to Winter
Fall Breaks and Back to Winter
With Me Tonight
She's Goin' Bald
Wonderful
Wonderful
Gettin' Hungry chorus
You're So Good To Me (Heider)
Help Me Rhonda (Heider)
Surfer Girl (Heider)
California Girls (Heider)
God Only Knows (Heider)
Heroes and Villains (Heider)
Country Air
A Thing Or Two track
Here Comes The Night track
Here Comes The Night track
Here Comes The Night backing vox
Here Comes The Night backing vox
Meant For You track
Wake The World track
Little Bird track
Can't Wait Too Long a cappella
Can't Wait Too Long
Can't Wait Too Long
Can't Wait Too Long
Can't Wait Too Long
We're Together Again
We're Together Again
Cotton Fields (20/20) track
Time To Get Alone track
Time To Get Alone track
Time To Get Alone a cappella
Time To Get Alone
Time To Get Alone
Break Away a cappella
Break Away a cappella
Break Away backing vox
Break Away alternate
Break Away alternate
Break Away alternate
Cotton Fields (single) track
Cotton Fields (single) a cappella
Add Some Music To Your Day a cappella
It's About Time drum track
It's About Time drum/organ track
Tears In The Morning track
Tears In The Morning
Forever a cappella
Forever
Our Sweet Love track/backing vox
Soulful Old Man Sunshine
San Miguel
San Miguel
Games Two Can Play
I Just Got My Pay
Susie Cincinnati
Susie Cincinnati
Take A Load Off Your Feet
When Girls Get Together track
When Girls Get Together
When Girls Get Together
When Girls Get Together
Good Time
Good Time
Student Demonstration Time
Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
'Til I Die backing vox
'Til I Die
Surf's Up a cappella
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way
You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
Sail On Sailor a cappella
Child Of Winter
Good Timin' track
Good Timin' track/lead vox
Hey There Momma aka (I Saw Santa) Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree track/backing vox
Rock and Roll Music
Rock and Roll Music
It's OK
Had To Phone Ya track
Had To Phone Ya
Chapel Of Love
Everyone's In Love With You
That Same Song
TM Song
Palisades Park
Palisades Park
A Casual Look
Blueberry Hill
Back Home
In The Still Of The Night
Just Once In My Life track
Just Once In My Life
Come Go With Me
Peggy Sue
Hey Little Tomboy
Hey Little Tomboy
Honkin' Down The Highway
Let Us Go On This Way backing vox
Roller Skating Child
Mona
Ding Dang
The Night Was So Young a cappella
The Night Was So Young
Let's Put Our Hearts Together
I Wanna Pick You Up
It's Over Now
Still I Dream Of It
She's Got Rhythm
Wontcha Come Out Tonight?
Pitter Patter
Match Point Of Our Love
Match Point Of Our Love
Winds Of Change
Angel Come Home track
Here Comes The Night (disco) drum/bass track
Baby Blue
Shortenin' Bread track
Keepin' The Summer Alive
Oh Darlin'
Oh Darlin'
Some Of Your Love
Livin' With A Heartache
School Days
Goin' On track
Goin' On
Sunshine
Santa Ana Winds
Getcha Back
It's Gettin' Late
Crack At Your Love
Maybe I Don't Know
She Believes In Love Again
She Believes In Love Again
California Calling
California Calling
Passing Friend
I'm So Lonely
Where I Belong
I Do Love You
It's Just A Matter Of Time
Male Ego

Fantastic post (could  you highlight the album titles in bold?)

In other words, it's a b**y shambles. For the intelligent fan/collector, why on earth don't they just swallow hard and release everything they can remix in a special box at a special price - we'd all buy it, and wouldn't have to wade through all the other stuff.

I for one didn't know there were two versions of EH - thanks for that. What a bummer that She Knows Me in stereo is only on a US box set of singles!

In Holland it's offered pretty cheap on the local versionof Ebay, Marktplaats (Marketplace): €30,-
http://link.marktplaats.nl/249446756

Don't know what possibilities there are to get it shipped outside Holland, but you never know. One can always ask...

Also the binaural (vocal one side, instruments the other) tracks on disc 5 of the GV box:

All Summer Long
Wendy
Hushabye
when I Grow Up to be a Man

There was a strange BB CD called something like "Essential Beach Boys" with a die cut cover that had a remix (a "vocals up") version of one or two songs.  I'll check on that when I get home.

Oh, and the 93 stereo mixes of Baker Man (I think it was Baker Man - either that or Cindy), I Do, and Old Folks at Home/Old Man River were redone for the 2001 2fer releases (because they couldn't find the mixes they'd done in 93).  Old Man River is actually edited differently so both versions are essential.

Hit the iTunes store!

'98 has a b/w photo of the group standing behind a fence or railing, with the title banner in bold white letters over a an orange striped backing.

'00 has a computer colorized shot of the group sitting on a roadster by the ocean.  This was the same cover used for the video.

Just a note that I edited my above list of stereo remixes to include unreleased ones.

I had no idea that the 60s twofers had some remixes (mine are all from 1990) so I just downloaded the new 'I do' which sounds fantastic in stereo. On the preview of 'Old man river' though I can't hear much difference, what are the changes?

Endless Harmony DVD

"Long Promised Road" - with additional accoustic guitar

You mean Perfect Harmony, released in 1997 for some Capitol anniversary, I think. Features:

Hushabye (Vocals Up Version)
When I Grow Up (Vocals Up Version)

Yeah, that's it.

It's edited a little differently toward the end.  The downside is that the vocals disappear sooner, leaving more instrumental, but at least the flow of the song is a bit more logical.  This is why it's nice to have both versions.

I think it's probably important in making this kind of list to make a clear distinction between "STEREO REMIXES" and "IN STEREO."

To me, the "faders up" presentations on bootlegs and stuff are not and shouldn't be considered remixes.  Or mixes at all for that matter.

I mean, I know what you're trying to do on this thread and it's just a semantic issue, but semantics are what I do.  Or even "is what I do" depending on how one considers "semantics" to function in that sentence.

You should make a list of stereo remixes that had intent behind them and some actual mixing done, and then a separate list of songs that appear in stereo somewhere but aren't necessarily "remixed."

Ahh ... this speaks to me.

Lawl, anyone wanna tell me what bootleg this can be found on?

As I also just found out, binaural doesn't mean that, but a specific way of recording. These vocals-on-one-side, music-on-the-other are just different mixes. They've got nothing to do with binaural, which you can only enjoy hearing with headphones. Listening without them would destroy the whole effect and all would be just all over the place. It's quite an interesting thing.

If you'd like to know more about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording)

Unless I'm mistaken, Lou Reed recorded some of his late 70s material using binaural techniques. I want to say Street Hassle and the Bells, maybe.

I believe that "semantics are what I do" is correct, but I like "semantics is what I do" a lot better. Go with that one.

There are 2 versions of She Know me and When I Grow Up in the box set and ITunes does not identify the stero mix versions.  Do you know the track numbers in iTunes of the stereo mixes?  Thx.

itunes has the collection set us as the individual discs are in the actual CD set - the two original mono 45 mixes followed by the alternate versions (which are original stereo versions, stereo remixes, backing tracks, etc).  The stereo remixes of of WIGU and SKMTW are therefore tracks 3 and 4.

Interesting.  I believe the article states the recording industry inappropriately used the term for stereo recordings, particularly early stereo recordings, and that is the general usage of the term (although scientifically not correct) that I have become familiar with - stereo recording with two microphones, separate sounds on each channel with nothing in the middle.   So vocals on one channel, instruments in the other would fit with the general recording usage of the term.  What it leaves out is the acoustic changes created by the head/ear canal, and then the speaker crosstalk/leakage that requires headphones.  Esquival made some interesting stereo recordings by having one channel be recorded in one studio, and the other channel simultaneously in another studio, to eliminate microphone leakage and completely separate the channels.  I'd think this would also fit the general usage of the term binaural.

Thanks JeffRetro!

I HATE TO BE AN OLD STICK IN THE MUD WHEN IT COMES TO STEREO REMIXES ETC... BUT  IT'S LIKE R U KIDDING ME WITH THE REAL BEACH BOYS LIST. THAT'S A BIT GUNG HO ISN'T IT.  BUT IT'S STILL GOOD INFO TO HAVE I SUPPOSE.  BUT STEREO  DOESN'T BEAT THE MONO MIXES IN QUITE A FEW CASES.  HERE'S A BRIEF LIST OF BB SONGS THAT SHOULD NEVER BE IN STEREO.
409
I GET AROUND
AMUSEMENT PARKS USA
GIRL FROM NEW YORK CITY
YOU'RE SO GOOD TO ME
CALIFORNIA GIRLS
DARLIN
WILD HONEY
I DO(BB)
THE CASTELLS VERSION IS PERFECT AS IS AND THE WAY IT'S INTENDED TO BE IN MONO AND IT'S MY FAVE SONG OUTSIDE OF THE BB WOULDN'T IT BE NICE WHICH IS MY ALL-TIME FAVE.
DON'T GET ME WRONG SONGS LIKE KISS ME BABY/ PLEASE LET ME WONDER AND PET SOUNDS ARE GREAT IN STEREO. BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE SONG RIGHT NOW I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IN TRUE STEREO AND THAT'S GOOD VIBES.  IS THAT ONE AVAILABLE.  ANYONE?

Hi all!

Thanks for all the input on this thread!  :)

I was just really concerned about compiling a list of the more recent (commerical versions) stereo remixes from EH, Warmth Of the Sun, Sounds of Summer, Summer Love Songs, Hawthorne (and I'm throwing in a few tracks from the PS stereo remix album such as, WIBN, GOK and SJB)for a buddy of mine who's ill and now recovering at home. Something that I know will perk up his disposition and make him take notice.  I know he's never been a fan of remixes that strip away the vocals presenting the song as a backing track. I want to make this as if it's a remixed "greatest hits" of sorts that would play as if it were a new release from Capitol. I know that would cheer him up!

Based on the latest PS stereo album remix, Hawthorne, EH, Sounds of Summer, Warmth of the Sun, Summer Love Songs and the US Singles box, I'm down to missing the below few that I can use help in acquiring for my friend who's sick and now recovering at home:


US Singles Collection box:

She Knows Me Too Well
When I Grow Up (To be a Man)
Little Saint Nick (Alternate mix with voices in stereo instead of instruments)

DVD-Audio DTS Surround Sound (5.1) issue of PET SOUNDS back in 2003, as a “Bonus” Track

Summer Means New Love (I have no way to extract this from a DVD-Audio disc)


If someone can help me out, please PM me--I would be greatfully appreciative!

Thanking in advance!

Regards,
Cal aka "Beatle Bob"

SOMEONE'S CAPS LOCK KEY IS BROKEN.

The only stereo version of "Good Vibrations" that's available is the backing-track remix found on the GV single CD issued back in 2006. The final vocal track tapes are believed to have been destroyed making it impossible to do a full stereo remix of the track.

Nice list---I think you missed "Land Ahoy" the outtake from SURFIN' SAFARI.

Or perhaps it doesn't qualify?  It is a BONUS track on the SURFIN' SAFARI/SURFIN' USA Twofer---even though it originally came out on the RARITIES LP way back in the early 1980s.

Just thought I'd let ya know.

Dogbone

Land Ahoy is mono. Always has been.

Never has been.  You'd better go back and listen.  I just listened to both the SS/SUSA two-fer (2001 remaster) and the Japanese RARITIES CD (2nd, remastered version), and it's in crystal clear wide stereo on both (with the count-in on the RARITIES disc).

It most definitely is not on my two-fer.

It's also in stereo (with count-in) on the original 1983 Rarities LP.

Yeah, the Japanese RARITIES disc is actually a two-fer combining that original '83 album with a CD issue of the Japan-only 12-inch single of "The Beach Boys Medley."  It's still the only way to get a bunch of those tracks on CD (well, a legit CD, anyway).

Wow... with the recent stereo/mono album releases and the Made in California box, has anyone attempted a canonical list of stereo remixes?

It's not complete (doesn't include MiC), and needs re-writing badly, but this gives you a broad overview:

Bellagio 10452 - mono/stereo (http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/monostereo.html)

Wrong.

Two points - one, in the BB world at least, "stereo remixes" means a modern stereo mix (from the original multitrack masters) of a track that had only ever previously appeared in mono (e.g. "California Girls" or the entire Pet Sounds album), not an alternate mix of something that already existed in stereo... and two, Chuck's mixes 1963/64 were most certainly NOT binaural to any degree whatsoever. Nor, in fact, were they true stereo mixes. Rather, he took the existing 3-track master, balanced the sound levels and added EQ and revberb, hence the hard left-center-hard right nature of the tracks.

Given the technology of the day, I'd say Chuck Britz's early BBs stereo mixes definitely qualify as true stereo mixes for their time.  Certainly no one mixes stereo hard left and hard right like that today, but back in the early days of stereo some people actually considered the ability to listen to certain instruments and/or vocals isolated in one channel or the other to add a positive element to the listening experience.  

Donny L can give you chapter and verse on this, but I'm sure I read once that at least some the consoles of the day were wired hard left-center-hard right. It wasn't a mix, as we understand it: Chuck just copied the 3-track, with a few tweaks.

Yes, I've also heard that some of those old consoles were hard wired left, center, and right, thus resulting in an ultra wide stereo effect when mixed to stereo rather than mono.  But when mixed so that you had anywhere from a little to a lot of different program material in the left and right channels it was considered to be a stereo, rather than mono, mix.

Here's a link to a YouTube video of a 1959 AudioFidelity Stereo Demonstration Disc for an example of what was considered cool stereo reproduction back in the day:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Wt_Avpx3E

Chuck's mixes are indeed true stereo, if not especially well done given the technical limitations of the day and the stereo format being low priority at the time.

Man, how disappointing - maybe it's me, but I don't hear anything more than two discrete mono channels (there's nothing coming "down the middle"), and the 'panning' is... woeful.

Thank you - that's great.

It doesn't look like it includes all the variations out there. I'm thinking someone might have to sit down with Excel and a stiff drink and try and make even more sense of what's out there. I wish I had the time for that someone to be me.

Right, there were not pan pots, so your only choice was to have everything on a track in one speaker or in both.  And I still haven't been able to find confirmation for this myth, but I've come across it enough that it might be true: Chuck (and Brian) tended to monitor the stereo mixes in mono.

... and I believe (at least initally), proper 3-track recording was monitored with three speakers. This makes sense, as the sound would be more true. Not sure how it was set up for Beach Boys sessions. I've mentioned this before, but I really can't stress enough that the 'mix' as a separate thing is really a modern concept. They were just finishing the record, which was envisioned in mono. Stereo was a distraction at best, which is why it was phased out in the Beach Boys' world by late '64. For all we know, they just made the mono mix and had an assistant engineer or tape op route it to stereo on a second deck, or someone came in later to do it. I doubt Brian was present for any of the stereo mixes. Stereo was not given serious consideration in any decision-making ... the end result is that Brian accepted Duophonic, as the only use he had for stereo was as a gimmick for Capitol to charge $1 more per LP.

Beach Boys stereo mixes 1963/64 were the work of Chuck. Brian probably listened to ten seconds of track one and nodded.

i find it strange though that while Brian stopped having his songs mixed into stereo, Capitol was insisting the Beatles deliver stereo masters of songs not mixed into stereo for the UK yet, as they wanted/needed stereo album releases with single cuts on them.  Even to the point in 66 of getting unreleased songs destined for Revolver to receive early stereo mixes now unavailable anywhere else.  If Capitol could make the Beatles do specific stereo mixes for the American market, they couldn't get Brian to let Chuck make stereo mixes of Today and Summer Days and Pet Sounds?  As you say, the big incentive was to be able to charge more the stereo album.  They should have given buyers a discount on the dreaded duophonic mixes!

BTW supposedly some stereo mixes were made by Chuck for Today, but then the stereo idea was abandoned and the mixes were either wiped or lost.

It's a mess. The various remasters are also a pain given, to me, most tracks sound best on the Japan Pastmasters series, but sometimes they don't, and a few of the Pastmasters albums have one or two duophonic mixes on them due to Capitol being dummies. The 2012 stereo/mono remasters are pretty decent and are surely better transfers of the masters than discs that came out in the 80s, but they're not for everyone, aren't without their faults and aren't always preferable to earlier sources, be it just some songs or the whole album.

Sheeeeit. :'(

Also, a friend once told me that most of the original mono 45 mixes are different than the mono album mixes, even if not noted as being "single mixes" or whatever. Please tell me this is not true.

Also, Andrew, your site lists that there is a 2102 remaster of Surfer Girl on the mono/stereo page. r u from the future :O

Rumbled. I am in fact my own great-great-grandson.  ;D

E.G. 45 mix of CG has louder Brian. [I read once. Don't have my 45s on me to check]

The 45 version is on Greatest Hits Volume 1. Not only is Brian louder, but the drums, horns and background vocals are mixed differently than the LP mix.

While the mono/stereo section is due for an updating, thanks again, AGD, for all the invaluable info contained in your Bellagio site.  With all the new mixes being done it's getting difficult to keep track of it all.  

I would like to point out that the description you give to Capitol's Electronic Rechaneling, stating the sound "was augmented by having different frequencies emphasised on each channel, usually bass on one side, treble on the other" also applies to all of Capitol's Duphonic releases as well, (although it's really more of bass and higher treble in one channel and midrange and lower treble in the other).  And I'm wondering if the electronic rechanneling Capitol did on Smiley Smile and Wild Honey is actually the same process as Duophonic, but they simply stopped using the term Duophonic on those newer releases.  As stated on the Mono/Stereo section of Bellagio, both of those albums when released were labeled Stereo, although they clearly are electronically rechanneled.

They're labeled as Stereo on the Brother/Reprise releases, as well.

Good question.  Brian, like Spector, preferred mono, so did he absolutely insist on a mono master only for Today through Smiley Smile?  And did Capitol protest, or just think, fine, we'll save money on not doing a stereo mix and just rechannel it into fake Duophonic stereo and still charge a dollar extra.  Since record companies stopped pressing mono albums in 1968, I'd assume that in 1965-67 that most of the public was paying a buck extra and listening to an inferior Duophonic style pressing.  I know that's what I was doing, 'cause as far as I was concerned, I had a stereo, so I wanted a stereo effect, even though a dollar was a good chunk of money to me at that time.  (And over six dollars today adjusted for inflation.)

So how did Friends come to be the first BB album in three years to released in true stereo?   Did Capitol tell Brian to deliver the next album in stereo because there will be no more mono releases (at least in the US)?  Or was Stephen Desper responsible, advising Brian that he could deliver a great stereo mix with a realistic soundstage?

Not only did he insist, a mono master was all he handed in (which is a strong indication of his clout within Capitol at the time), thus essentially forcing the company down the DuoPhonic route.

And yes - that page of 10452 is a mess. Got a week off coming up soon, so a day devoted to a complete re-write seems a fine idea. Maybe not all the various remixes, though... my poor addled brain isn't up to that. Should really be a small Quad/matrix section, too.