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Let's talk songs not even bootlegged! :) Which ones would like to hear the most? Here's my list:

1. Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again
2. Labor Day
3. Any song that Brian and Stanley Shapiro wrote new lyrics to in the early 70s (there was a third guy too I recall, but I've forgotten his name)
4. California Feeling (1974 demo)
5. Oh Lord (from BB85 sessions)

Good list
I would add Lucy Jones, Dr. Tom, You're Riding High, Don't Let Me Go, and Baby Baby (I think it was a song Dennis sang live in 72). Game Of Love would great too.

I have heard so many people speak greatly of Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again, but I have never heard it. I would also like to hear some POB/Bambu era songs that didn't make the cd.
- 10,000 years
- I Didn't Mean to Make You Worry
- I Don't Know
- Taking Off
- Barnyard Blues
- Hellen Keller

I know nothing about these songs, but I found this list in Dumb Angel by Adam Webb.

There's that cool snippet that was played in the Brian Wilson A&E Biography, it showed a great picture of Brian circa 1970-71, and Bruce was talking about Brian writing songs that were "No. 1 in his living room". Do you guys know what song I'm referring to and has it been booted?

mon enfant

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,550.0.html

That's it! Thanks, variable2. I forgot about that thread. The links are dead, unfortunately, but, if I remember correctly, it wasn't a long performance, so I guess it wouldn't be worth releasing, unless a comp is made including snippets like that...

Anyhting SMiLE related that hasn't been released including but not limited to:
The "I Ran" vocal session
Second movement of Surf's Up
Air element
True stereo versions of the Harpsichord Wonderful, Vega-Tables, and Holidays (Don't know if they exist or not)
Clear mono versions of Look, Water chant, Child is Father of the Man, and Surf's Up (synced with a mono backing track.)
That tape Andrew mentioned where Brian bangs out the melody to the song that became "Saturday Morning in the City"
The MIU mix of Roll Plymouth Rock (if they even worked on it)

Aside from SMiLE:
Wouldn't it be nice to live again
Santa Ana Winds, 1970 version (rumor has it that it goes back this far)
Anything from Sunflower or Love You that is not available.

"Jesus was my Savior"

'Nuff said.

I Don't Know is Love Remember Me
Taking Off is the same as Piano Variations but with full production over the piano track.
Some of 10,000 Years shows up in Friday Night... and I think Album Tag Song.

Rumor is wrong.  ;D

Top of my list is California Feeling from 1974 and Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again.

Release those two officially and I will die a happy man.

Those & Lucy Jones, for me. I've been dying to hear them.


Tandyn Almer.

This is easy.

Brian's 1974 demo of California Feeling recorded at Western.

The 1981 Beach Boys version of Sweetie with a Brian/Al/Mike lead vocal.

I'm A Man - recorded July 1980 at Mike Love's studio.

The completed version of Goin' To The Beach.

Good choices petsite. I forgot about Sweetie and I'm a Man.

Man it's a drag being a BB/BW fan, some of the best stuff was never even released.

Besides all the tunes already mentioned, I'd love to hear 1963's "Malibu Sunset" (even if it's only a demo) and 1969's "Where Is She?".   

I'd love to hear everything that was recorded during the '95-BBs-sessions

Off the top of my head...

Hawthorne Boulevard (Instrumental)

Goodie Connie Won't You Come back Home (Brian's demo which ultimately became 'Surf City')


and in fantasy land :

a BBoy version of the David Marks composition, (as submitted for the Little Deuce Coupe album), Custom Car Show *

*(does not exist but would have been a great track...!)

Ah, "Lucy Jones" is fun... but not that good - shared vocal w/Stevie Kalinich. The one song that stands head an shoulders above the rest (to these ears) is "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again".  The track for "I've Got A Friend" is pretty damn good too.

Do you reckon that COULD someday be released? Maybe they could do another "Holy Man" and get someone to sing a lead vocal for it?

These are also high on my list. I heard good things about both.

My top unheard BB tracks I've got to hear:

Wich Stand
Smiley's Good time Mama and Good News
Where is She?
Dennis's Behold the Night and Baby, Baby
Come to the Sunshine

Malibu Sunset was no great shakes. Plesant at best. Look for Rarities On Compact Disc Vol. 2 to hear it.

For me, I'd be interest in any unreleased complete tracks from Smiley Smile.

Also, the biggest one for me has to be 'California Feelin'. but I would just love a higher quality of the late 70's version with carl on lead vocals.

Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again
California Feelin' demo
Sail on Sailor demo - I'd love to find out just how complete it really was at that stage!
Come to the Sunshine
Oh Lord (85 album version)
Where Is She
Raspberries and Strawberries
Bruce's Ten Years Harmony demo
Beatrice from Baltimore
Lucy Jones
Our LIfe, Our Love, Our Land - if it was recorded
Doctor Tom - ditto
Gold Rush - ditto
Don't Let Me Go - ditto
Rubles - ditto
Ride Arabian, Ride - ditto
10,000 Years - ML's version from late 70s/early 80s, if actually recorded
Honeycomb
Was there a BB version of Country Pie?  I'll have that too.

Also add to my list:

1979 Brian track Boys And Girls
The un-enhanced version of Runaway Live which i understand is better than the overdubed version.
1982 original version of California Calling
Brian's piano only demo of Sail Plane Song.

Seems a lot of people have heard this but I haven't heard Youv'e Lost That Lovin Feelin.  From what I understand, recorded in the 15 BO era?   Is this on a SOT collection or other such media?

So much good stuff out there unreleased.  I had my doubts but I am now convinced that HAWTHORNE II is a real possibility.  There are at least a couple of lengthy live shows of high quality that contain rarities and remain unreleased.  The good stuff from that alone could fill half a Hawthorne type collection.  Mix in a little unreleased Am Spring, a little Love you material, stuff from the Soul Searchin era, a few of the older treasures such as on gettheboot.and you have a fan's smorgasboard.

I have two different versions of the song 'I Don't Know';

one is labeled:  "Dennis Wilson - I Don't Know (piano demo acetate)" (1mn 08s)
Dennis plays piano alone,  with poor sound quality.
In my opinion, it can be a fragment of the real 'I don't know' from Smile era;

and the other:  "I Don't Know (dennis wilson) mono 1-12-67" (2mn 28s)
full orchestration (guitars, drums, bass...), with better sound;
But it doesn't sounds like a Smile era song, sounds like  "I don't know" recorded in 1977 by Dennis.

And none of them is "Love Remember Me"! ??? ???

The version of Country Pie on the Celebration LP IS Mike Love singing. It sez Dave is the lead, but, if you listen to Dave's other leads on the LP, this voice sounds nothing like Dave and totally like Mike.

The "piano demo acetate" is considered an early Barbara by most but it bears little resemblance. It's nice to hear, though.

The "full orchestration" version is not a Dennis track at all, in fact, it's Bruce and Terry's Don't Run Away backing track. For some reason it's been considered I Don't Know for years. Why, I dunno.

And FWIW "I Don't Know" circa 1977 is actually the first part of Love Remember Me with the acoustic guitar, flutes and such and Dennis' doubled vocal. The second part is known as "My Love's Comin' Down".

some official mixes of the Beachago concerts would be nice to hear

Yeah okay, but isn't that the Glen Campbell version (as produced by Brian)? I was referring to Brian's original demo (which, so I heard now, is lost?).

I didn't know the Beach Boys recorded a version of Come to the Sunshine. I love that song.
This Wouldn't it be Nice to Live Again is taking on an epic degree of anticipatory aura.
I'm surprised that it didn't wind up on the Good Vibrations box set along with its companion
track that was also pulled from the Surf's Up lineup, Fourth of July. That would have been
very apropos.

Also want to hear I've Got a Friend track, Baby Baby, Behold the Night and Dennis/Dragon album material. :-[

I'd really like to hear 'I've got a friend' too.

Thats available, or at least a mid 70s version with Bruce at the piano is, it might have been the B-side to one of those Bruce/Melcher/Becher things from the mid 70s - California Music?

Isn't that one missing too?

Yep, B-side to Don't Worry Baby

Didn't Dennis record "Here Comes the Sun"? I'd like to hear that...

I believe he and Karen were supposed to record it for some SGT. Pepper-movie (dn't know nothing about that) but I don't know if it was recorded at all...

All This and World War II
Beatles' "significance" pushed to the breaking point in this bizarre documentary that juxtaposes their songs (sung by a number of rock stars) with World War II newsreel footage. Helen Reddy sings "Fool On The Hill" while Hitler relaxes at Bertchtesgaden, and Rod Stewart husks "Get Back" while Nazi troops goose step.

I believe something was recorded, with Karen. Whoever heard it didn't see to be very enthusiastic.

It was recorded. And with Karen singing lead, you don't want to hear it...believe me.

Thanks a lot for your informations, finally I have an answer, an once again it was songs mistaken labeled as "I Don't Know";

 ;D
Thanks for the info Jon ! Did Dennis sing background vocals and produce? Or what was his involvement?

I thought BJ's version of Ten Years was a new recording
I was hoping for a BB version of Country Pie - but, yeah, that's ML and it sounds like Carl on the chorus

Wasn't it ELO doing Fool on the Hill?  I can't remember; it's ages since I heard it.  Shitty idea, whoever.

I would sell my mother to hear the beach boys version of Come To The Sunshine.  ;D

That's too bad... I can totally imagine Dennis singing a slow, laid-back version of that song. I'm sure it could've been great.

Technically, they didn't - it was a BW/VDP recording.

Slightly-OT, but I'll tell you which song that HAS been booted I'd LOVE to hear in better quality, "All of My Love." That one just gets me, just a minute of music but so moving and powerful. I'd wager that outside of the scratchy, fuzzy version I have, it's 10x better, especially since I can tell there are some Dennis backgrounds that are blending into the track on my version (due to the fedility) that would knock your socks off...

So, how about Poops/Hubba Hubba on CD, Jon? ;)

there's a lot of stuff I'd like to hear out of curiosity; and some of it I'm sure is great. However, I'm sure some of the unreleased songs are a little "hyped-up" by those who've been privy to them. I remember the extraordinary praise Soulful Ol' Man Sunshine got a few years ago; super fans informing the rest of us what a terrific gem we were missing. Then it got released and... Meh.

I think Soulful Old Man Sunshine is pretty good actually... I mean okay it's no Surf's Up or This Whole World or GOK, but in saying that, it's pretty incredible that there are/were songs in the can for years that deserved a release such as It's Over Now, Still I Dream Of It, Soulful Old Man Sunshine, Do You Like Worms, I Love To Say Da-Da, Games Two Can Play, San Miguel, Can't Wait Too Long, I Do, 4th of July, Old Man River, California Feeling, Go And Get That Girl, A Time To Live In Dreams, Lonely Days, We're Together Again etc. and of course there are still many other tracks that are unreleased that we know are pretty good (Life Is For The Living, How's About A Little Bit Of Your Sweet Loving, Carry Me Home, It's A New Day, Looking Down The Coast, Don't Fight The Sea, You're Still A Mystery, Soul Searching, My Solution, You've Lost That Loving Feeling, Sandy Baby, Stevie, Oh Lord, Thank Him, Won't You Tell Me, I've Got A Friend (at least the live versions are good), I'm Going Your Way etc.. plus all the alternate versions (Big Sur, Wonderful, Wind Chimes) etc.. and then there's the tracks that are supposed to be good that we haven't heard (WIBNTLA the main example)

So I dunno, I think for a band who released so much good stuff (at least from 1962-1973) it's pretty unbelievable that there is anything decent left in the can. I mean take the Beatles on the other hand... they have barely anything in comparison

Looking and the Belagio site again, I must say any unreleased title, especally those with vocals, would be great. Some of the titles are very new to me. Anything through 74 is bound to be decent, and through 81-82 it would all be at least interesting. As far as anything after that.... but the Paley sessions should come out.

Even if they're worried not enough people would buy collections of these songs to justify all of the packaging, marketing, etc.. they could do a webpage where people could download these songs directly and they'd probably make a good return that way. The Beach Boys have a pretty big fan base worldwide. What do you guys think?

Well that's what http://www.beachboyscentral.com/ is supposed to be for. Although it's said "new site coming soon" for a long time now.

I agree with your general point: the unreleased stuff is almost always overhyped. Fans always seem to love what wasn't or almost was more than what was, and I think part of that is being in the "cool kids" club of having the boots.

But on Soulful Old Man Sunshine, I think you're way off. I do think that was an awesome piece of work. It should have been completed, assembled and released in the late 60s or early 70s and I'm shocked they let it lie dormant. I'd put it in the top 10-20% of Beach Boys material.

I agree with you Luther that some of the stuff IS overhyped (didn't David Leaf state how great Lazy Lizzie was or something?) but then again some of it is slammed for being rubbish (The Battle Hymn of the Republic for example). But yeah, do you agree that the Beach Boys are one of the few bands that have a fair chunk of good unreleased (meaning still unreleased or remained unreleased until rarities compilations etc..) material? I mean as I said in my earlier post, some of those songs aren't as good as some of the band's better released material, but it's still crazy how good some of them are considering they went unreleased. I mean I'm sure a lot of people on this board would love to be able to write a song even half as good as Stevie or something :P

Yes, Leaf did praise "Lazy Lizzie." And that says all we need to know about David Leaf.

But yes, I absolutely do agree that the Beach Boys have had more quality unreleased material--especially compared to the quality of their released material--than most bands. Bob Dylan and Prince are two others that come to mind as having a lot of releaseable unreleased stuff, but the Beach Boys had a ton, and a lot of it seems to have been cast aside capriciously from 1970 onward. I can't find logic behind leaving "Good Time" off Sunflower or not putting the relatively minimal effort into finishing "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" in 1969 or any number of their other choices.

Lazy Lizzie is pretty cool. Creepy? Oh yeah. But cool nonetheless.

So I can guess that the BB Central site is never going to be complete then.

What a shame, I bet it's legal issues.

That's always shocked me too...the song is literally a small vocal edit away from being release-worthy.  It's catchy as hell and could have been a hit, or at the very least a solid album track.  You're right, it's among some of their best material...I can't imagine why they would leave it untouched and unreleased when it was 99% completed.

Not quite true, but close enough. As I recall, the "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" we hear on Endless Harmony is an assembled version of the raw material that had been recorded. So in Nov. 1969, the existing "one vocal edit away" version wasn't in existence. But all the raw material was, and so the group (or an engineer or producer or whomever) could have edited together a releasable version.

It baffles me--always has--how they could have just let it sit. IT'S CALLED A VOCAL OVERDUB, OR ANOTHER TAKE! ONE FUCKING WORD!

That's interesting Luther, I didn't know that. 

Even so, like you said, it still wouldn't have taken much work to get it assembled if all of the raw materials were there.  And again, with something that good at their disposal, why wouldn't they do whatever needed to be done to complete it?   

Maybe they just plain forgot about it? I mean just look at all the unreleased material that they left sitting there... I mean if it was me and I was out of ideas, instead of recording 15 Big Ones, I would've just thrown say WIBNTLA, Soulful Old Man Sunshine, Won't You Tell Me, San Miguel, I'm Going Your Way etc.. into one album. But as I say maybe it is just that they forgot about some of these songs? I can't think why else it would be? I mean back in those days especially bands were so much more prolific than they are now, but yeah that's still no excuse how they can forget so many good songs like that in the vault, and yet they release so many average songs on 15 Big Ones, M.I.U. etc.. man, what a crazy band!!

It would have been nice to have those tracks released right after the success of Endless Summer called "Forgotten Tunes," perhaps it woulda done good?

well, i guess that's what 'Sprit of America' LP was...but they could have incorporated an unreleased track LP mixed with Caribou recordings (Good Timin', Rollin up To Heaven, etc.)

How is Spirit of America like what mikeyj was talking about? SoA was a compilation of released tunes; mikeyj is talking about unreleased ones.

Well, I was contradicting myself, sorry. I was calling it a 'forgotten tunes/hits' package and Spirit of America is kinda like that. Sorry.

Exactly. What about "My Little Red Book"? Meh x 5637265237

I usually trust AGD's word on this subject, and he's very restrained when commenting on material in the vaults.

Did they really not release it because Carl said "shunshine"? I figured that the vocal we hear on the complete assembled version was just a scratch demo vocal that the EH compilers used because it's the only one available.

My theory is that they didn't release some "forgotten" songs out of sheer bad timing. Imagine something like I'm Going Your Way being released in 1981, after their previous album had songs like When Girls Get Together on it. Songs like I'm Going Your Way would just have been WAY TO GOOD to release at that time period.  ;)

Interesting! When was it done? Contemporary period to Harper's Bizarre, or later, if you're at liberty to expand on your answer? ???

Amen! All of My Love, the organ duets, the "piano duets acetate", the It's About Time percussion
fragment (or whatever that is) and Barbara all circulated as a piece together. The latter is of course
now out, but it would be great to hear the others in good quality. :'(

Mid-October 1975, at the Sound Factory. The story goes that Brian wanted to include it on 15 BO but couldn't get hold of the master.

Carl's vocals are indeed merely ('merely' !) work vocals, but it was the song's inclusion on the 1993 box that he vetoed, and yes, because he flubbed "shunsine".

I sorry, I can't hold it no more...

Soulful Old Man Sunshine: an unfinished over-production of an edge-less, incomplete song that has a nice verse. And hyped as hell.

There. I said it!

 ;D

But it seems like one of the more finished up unreleased tunes. And it's one of my favorite Carl vocals, underrated in my point of view

I love Soulful Ol' Man Sunshine but I'm perfectly sure it would not have been a hit in 1970 when even stuff like Slip On Through and Add Some Music (which I think is even a tad bit better than Sunshine) did not have that much of a chance. Even more, it's quite obvious why they didn't use that song on subsequent albums, which would present the BB so much more as an "edgy" rock group. It would have seemed completely out of place even on Surf's Up, which to my ears has to be the very last record which has that full and rich Beach Boys sound to it (though there were moments of that on Holland as well).

Reason they didn't use "SOMS" on any record before 1993 was because it was spread out over at least three tapes, unassembled.

The tried like hell to get both SOMS and Loop De Loop on the 93 boxset. Carl nixed SOMS and Al nixed Loop De Loop. Brian nixed Let Him Run WIld and Fire (although there is talk that Leaf didn't even take Fire to Brian). I love SOMS....but I love the demo in front.

I don't know what it is that Al didn't like so much about his vocal on Loop De Loop. The ball-clutched vocal adds to the charm. :)

Same thing Al doesn't like about his incessantly reworked other solo material... Al is awaiting his very own Chinese Democracy.

If that's the case then his album's gonna suck. :)

Did you honestly believe otherwise?

Just because it takes years to come out doesn't mean it'll be any good.

If you're arguing, it's with yourself (and Axl and Al). I'm a big proponent of write it, record it, release it, move on: it's just a fucking record!

Not arguing. This isn't Male Ego. :)

The original Jardine falsetto Loop De Loop was better, I think. So was Brian's demo.

True - David told me that back in '93: he knew it would prove a major sticking point.  It took him about a week of persuasion to get Brian to OK any of the Smile section.

True - David told me that back in '93: he knew it would prove a major sticking point.  It took him about a week of persuasion to get Brian to OK any of the Smile section.
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I believe it.  And now Fire is a grammy award winning track. Go figure!

You know what I'd like to have released either officially or bootleged? Carl's original rough melody vocal on what became Holy Man. That, and the "unknown" Brian piano demo that adamghost mentioned a month or so ago.

Whoa, anyone wanna explain a bit more about this?

I believe this stems from a contemporary quote from Al that they were working on "Worms" for MIU...I'm sure someone else has more details, but I think that was the basic gist. 

It was actually LA, not MIU. Apparently some overdubs were performed. Bruce mentioned this in an interview.

I think he was going to sample it in some way. Make a Smile montage as it were.

hmm, disco montage? like they did w/ the Here Comes the Night promo? making a medly with the oldies? heh, interesting to ponder

Check out Soul Searchin', You're Still A Mystery, and the backing track to Dancin' the Night Away (all from the Paley Sessions, I think). That's all I know of, unless someone with a lot more credibility on the subject (i.e. AGD, Carlin, Stebbins, Boyd, Linett, Desper, H, etc.) knows of more.

That's pretty much all they did. Mind, the Baywatch thing was a new composition, and the tracks to the other two numbers were from the Was sessions... er, I think. Was it the vocals ? Anyway, they were comped.