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Title: The Who
Post by: BiNNS on June 10, 2008, 03:21:56 PM
Here's a band that i was never into...until recently. I don't know why i never gave them a chance when i was younger, but i'm glad i did now. I can't stop listening to The Who Sell Out and Who's Next, (both completely different albums, but equally brilliant). To my ears, they were way ahead of their time and made some of the most fresh and exciting music of their generation. Watching old clips of Pete trashing his guitar into amps and Keith Moon exploding his drum set makes me wish i was around back then. I'm looking forward to delving further into their catalogue. Any other Who fans out there?


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: MBE on June 10, 2008, 07:57:42 PM
I am and they really do have some great stuff. I recomend the 2 LP version of My Generation that had the original LP plus a whole album of bonus cuts. Who's Next recently got a 3 LP treatment with outakes and a nice concert. My favorite album is A Quick One. I really like them in their pre Tommy period best, though I think the only album with Moon that was less then stellar was Who Are You. Scoop volume one by Pete Towshend is demos from 64-84 and many of them great.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Surfer Joe on June 16, 2008, 11:21:50 PM
Where ya been, man?  I  had Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy when I was eight years old and have loved these guys for about as long as I can remember.  When I was in high school- the Kenny Jones era- I was totally obsessed. My three big groups from childhood onward have been the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Who. The Kinks, Elvis, Buddy Holly, Sinatra, and many others got on board as I went along...

Now you need to own everything- everything Moon played on.  I'm tempted to suggest the box set, but maybe go for the deluxe Live At Leeds and Tommy, if you haven't already.  Then Odds and Sods to add a little spice to the mix, and then hold your breath and dive into Quadrophenia. Their BBC set is great.  The Kids Are Alright soundtrack is a must.  It's all a must.

It's tragic anytime anyone waits later than high school to discover Quadrophenia- I'm not sure it can have its full impact on you when you're older.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on March 30, 2017, 02:00:49 AM
This is respectfully dedicated to bonnie and horse: :=)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DWaX9kK6TE


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: KDS on March 30, 2017, 01:38:22 PM
Where ya been, man?  I  had Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy when I was eight years old and have loved these guys for about as long as I can remember.  When I was in high school- the Kenny Jones era- I was totally obsessed. My three big groups from childhood onward have been the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Who. The Kinks, Elvis, Buddy Holly, Sinatra, and many others got on board as I went along...

Now you need to own everything- everything Moon played on.  I'm tempted to suggest the box set, but maybe go for the deluxe Live At Leeds and Tommy, if you haven't already.  Then Odds and Sods to add a little spice to the mix, and then hold your breath and dive into Quadrophenia. Their BBC set is great.  The Kids Are Alright soundtrack is a must.  It's all a must.

It's tragic anytime anyone waits later than high school to discover Quadrophenia- I'm not sure it can have its full impact on you when you're older.

I first listened to Quadrophenia at 19, and didn't really immerse myself in it until 22.  But, I was still dealing with a lot of high school eqsue social stuff at my job at the time, so Quadrophenia rang true, especially Jimmy escaping to Brighton to try to recapture something he'd lost.  I had similar experiences a couple of times in my 20s, driving by myself to my local seaside town, while cranking the Quadrophenia album.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on April 02, 2017, 02:50:12 AM
I must have left Quadrophenia too late. I tried it a few years back after seeing a documentary about it but it didn't make much of an impression. Maybe Surfer Joe's right...

The Who made some fantastic singles! As for albums, my favourites are The Who Sell Out and Who's Next.

I only came to appreciate Tommy once I'd chopped out a bunch of stuff and made a single LP of it. ;D 


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Ovi on April 02, 2017, 11:35:22 AM
The greatest rock 'n' roll band of all-time.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: KDS on April 02, 2017, 04:58:07 PM
I got to see The Who perform Quadrophenia in 2012 (with John and Keith guesting via the video board).  Amazing.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on April 02, 2017, 05:05:31 PM
The Who are, simply stated, the greatest Rock&Roll on earth. I was able to meet Roger, Pete and John through the Make-A-Wish Foundation in 1996. The pictures of me with them are on my Facebook page.  ;D


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Peter Reum on April 02, 2017, 08:49:05 PM
My favorite non BeachBoys music is an even split between The Who and Little Feat. Any Who fans should have Quadraphenia and Tommy.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on April 03, 2017, 07:04:50 AM
There's album Hollywood Dream by Thunderclap Newman, iirc the Who's road manager. It's well-crafted, maybe not well-sung but it weirdly sounds good with those arrangements, melodies etc.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on April 03, 2017, 07:11:26 AM
There's album Hollywood Dream by Thunderclap Newman, iirc the Who's road manager. It's well-crafted, maybe not well-sung but it weirdly sounds good with those arrangements, melodies etc.

Yes, that's a good one. I listened to the whole thing a short while back. Highly original!


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: KDS on April 03, 2017, 07:36:27 AM
My favorite non BeachBoys music is an even split between The Who and Little Feat. Any Who fans should have Quadraphenia and Tommy.

And Who's Next. What a trio of back to back to back albums


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Ovi on April 03, 2017, 09:43:28 AM
My favorite non BeachBoys music is an even split between The Who and Little Feat. Any Who fans should have Quadraphenia and Tommy.

Quadrophenia is incredible, but I don't listen to the studio Tommy at all. I think that one only came alive when performed live - see the Leeds concert, the Isle of Wight one etc. Who's Next is great but it should've been a double as originally intended. Too many great songs were left out. My favorite Who album besides Quad and the live stuff is The Who by Numbers. And all the early non-album singles are great as well.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: KDS on April 03, 2017, 10:10:39 AM
My favorite non BeachBoys music is an even split between The Who and Little Feat. Any Who fans should have Quadraphenia and Tommy.

Quadrophenia is incredible, but I don't listen to the studio Tommy at all. I think that one only came alive when performed live - see the Leeds concert, the Isle of Wight one etc. Who's Next is great but it should've been a double as originally intended. Too many great songs were left out. My favorite Who album besides Quad and the live stuff is The Who by Numbers. And all the early non-album singles are great as well.

I agree that the early 70s live versions of Tommy blow the studio version away.  That was when The Who were really becoming a premiere hard rock powerhouse, which translated on their early 70s studio output. 


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on April 04, 2017, 03:30:06 AM
I saw The Who twice in their original lineup, once in London some time in 1973 and then in Rotterdam on October 27, 1975. A curious fact is that a song performed on that latter occasion called "The Day I Gave Up Booze" (famous last words!), sung by Townshend accompanying himself on acoustic guitar, is only mentioned once on the internet----by me! Was it "However Much I Booze" with new lyrics? After listening to "HMIB" on Youtube, it doesn't seem likely. (See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Tour_1975) for more information on The Who's 1975 tour.)

"You'll note that Mr Moon hasn't joined me in my venture", Pete added after introducing the song, and to be sure, Mr Moon didn't give the impression that he had. :lol

It would be great to have all this confirmed by someone, somewhere, but I fear the chances of that are fairly slim...


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: KDS on April 04, 2017, 05:52:46 AM
I saw The Who twice in their original lineup, once in London some time in 1973 and then in Rotterdam on October 27, 1975. A curious fact is that a song performed on that latter occasion called "The Day I Gave Up Booze" (famous last words!), sung by Townshend accompanying himself on acoustic guitar, is only mentioned once on the internet----by me! Was it "However Much I Booze" with new lyrics? After listening to "HMIB" on Youtube, it doesn't seem likely. (See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Tour_1975) for more information on The Who's 1975 tour.)

"You'll note that Mr Moon hasn't joined me in my venture", Pete added after introducing the song, and to be sure, Mr Moon didn't give the impression that he had. :lol

It would be great to have all this confirmed by someone, somewhere, but I fear the chances of that are fairly slim...

You quite lucky.  Unfortunately, Keith died two years to the day before I was born. 

I was fortunate enough to see them with John once before he passed, in 2000. 


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on April 04, 2017, 09:23:41 PM
I saw The Who twice in their original lineup, once in London some time in 1973 and then in Rotterdam on October 27, 1975. A curious fact is that a song performed on that latter occasion called "The Day I Gave Up Booze" (famous last words!), sung by Townshend accompanying himself on acoustic guitar, is only mentioned once on the internet----by me! Was it "However Much I Booze" with new lyrics? After listening to "HMIB" on Youtube, it doesn't seem likely. (See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Tour_1975) for more information on The Who's 1975 tour.)

"You'll note that Mr Moon hasn't joined me in my venture", Pete added after introducing the song, and to be sure, Mr Moon didn't give the impression that he had. :lol

It would be great to have all this confirmed by someone, somewhere, but I fear the chances of that are fairly slim...
You were very lucky! Unfortunately, your memory is a bit off. Pete often introduced HMIB by saying that he wrote it "the night I gave up drinking". Pete didn't start playing acoustic guitar on stage until 1989, except a one off appearance in 1970.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 04, 2017, 11:50:12 PM
It's strange; although the Who are ranked in the upper echelon of British Invasion bands, they don't seem to have the elite status of the Stones, Floyd, Zeppelin, etc. Personally, I prefer them to any of those bands - and I only have a couple of their albums! I know, I know...where have I been? But their best work is right up there with the best of the best IMO. Just got a copy of Who's Next recently, and it is definitely a classic. There's a reason they had a tough time continuing after Moon died; his drumming would have been totally wrong for, say, the Kinks, or the Beatles, would have just sounded like some crazy guy trying to attract attention to his playing, but it works perfectly in Pete's songs. And I like how so many times Pete has that acoustic rhythm in the bed of the track. They had a totally unique sound. The only knock against them I can see is that their catalog is rather small compared to the Kinks or the Stones (the only British Invasion bands of similar longevity I can think of). They've got more comps than studio albums.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on April 05, 2017, 02:26:45 AM
I saw The Who twice in their original lineup, once in London some time in 1973 and then in Rotterdam on October 27, 1975. A curious fact is that a song performed on that latter occasion called "The Day I Gave Up Booze" (famous last words!), sung by Townshend accompanying himself on acoustic guitar, is only mentioned once on the internet----by me! Was it "However Much I Booze" with new lyrics? After listening to "HMIB" on Youtube, it doesn't seem likely. (See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Tour_1975) for more information on The Who's 1975 tour.)

"You'll note that Mr Moon hasn't joined me in my venture", Pete added after introducing the song, and to be sure, Mr Moon didn't give the impression that he had. :lol

It would be great to have all this confirmed by someone, somewhere, but I fear the chances of that are fairly slim...
You were very lucky! Unfortunately, your memory is a bit off. Pete often introduced HMIB by saying that he wrote it "the night I gave up drinking". Pete didn't start playing acoustic guitar on stage until 1989, except a one off appearance in 1970.

H'mm. I bow to your greater knowledge (seriously!). But. I'll only concede 100% when I hear it from someone who was there. ;D


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on April 05, 2017, 03:12:41 AM
I saw The Who twice in their original lineup, once in London some time in 1973 and then in Rotterdam on October 27, 1975. A curious fact is that a song performed on that latter occasion called "The Day I Gave Up Booze" (famous last words!), sung by Townshend accompanying himself on acoustic guitar, is only mentioned once on the internet----by me! Was it "However Much I Booze" with new lyrics? After listening to "HMIB" on Youtube, it doesn't seem likely. (See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Tour_1975) for more information on The Who's 1975 tour.)

"You'll note that Mr Moon hasn't joined me in my venture", Pete added after introducing the song, and to be sure, Mr Moon didn't give the impression that he had. :lol

It would be great to have all this confirmed by someone, somewhere, but I fear the chances of that are fairly slim...
You were very lucky! Unfortunately, your memory is a bit off. Pete often introduced HMIB by saying that he wrote it "the night I gave up drinking". Pete didn't start playing acoustic guitar on stage until 1989, except a one off appearance in 1970.

H'mm. I bow to your greater knowledge (seriously!). But. I'll only concede 100% when I hear it from someone who was there. ;D
It's You that needs bowed down to! You saw the original Quadrophenia tour! I'd love to pick your brain about it.  :lol Regarding the 1975 Rotterdam show, there is an actual recording of the concert. I haven't heard it though. It is circulating among fans, so you might be able to track it down.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on April 05, 2017, 03:37:29 AM
I saw The Who twice in their original lineup, once in London some time in 1973 and then in Rotterdam on October 27, 1975. A curious fact is that a song performed on that latter occasion called "The Day I Gave Up Booze" (famous last words!), sung by Townshend accompanying himself on acoustic guitar, is only mentioned once on the internet----by me! Was it "However Much I Booze" with new lyrics? After listening to "HMIB" on Youtube, it doesn't seem likely. (See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Tour_1975) for more information on The Who's 1975 tour.)

"You'll note that Mr Moon hasn't joined me in my venture", Pete added after introducing the song, and to be sure, Mr Moon didn't give the impression that he had. :lol

It would be great to have all this confirmed by someone, somewhere, but I fear the chances of that are fairly slim...
You were very lucky! Unfortunately, your memory is a bit off. Pete often introduced HMIB by saying that he wrote it "the night I gave up drinking". Pete didn't start playing acoustic guitar on stage until 1989, except a one off appearance in 1970.

H'mm. I bow to your greater knowledge (seriously!). But. I'll only concede 100% when I hear it from someone who was there. ;D
It's You that needs bowed down to! You saw the original Quadrophenia tour! I'd love to pick your brain about it.  :lol Regarding the 1975 Rotterdam show, there is an actual recording of the concert. I haven't heard it though. It is circulating among fans, so you might be able to track it down.

In a way it's a pity I wasn't familiar with Quadrophenia at the time (or even now). But I do remember Townshend announcing that the hero attended a concert by a band and that band was "the 'oo"! And that Moon sang and played timps on one track...

But the "booze" issue is now resolved. This is from the same tour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrOFbqn_-sA

I remember he made a "little speech" in Rotterdam. I evidently mixed up his description with the title. And he swapped guitars, which may have affected my memory of it. So one last bow in your direction, haha.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on April 05, 2017, 04:36:48 AM
This report in Dutch includes some great pictures of that day (and later days):

http://philipgroenendijk.nl/pagina34.html

There's a funny bit about The Who's thunderous music producing ripples in the water of the toilet bowls...   


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: KDS on April 05, 2017, 05:23:21 AM
It's strange; although the Who are ranked in the upper echelon of British Invasion bands, they don't seem to have the elite status of the Stones, Floyd, Zeppelin, etc. Personally, I prefer them to any of those bands - and I only have a couple of their albums! I know, I know...where have I been? But their best work is right up there with the best of the best IMO. Just got a copy of Who's Next recently, and it is definitely a classic. There's a reason they had a tough time continuing after Moon died; his drumming would have been totally wrong for, say, the Kinks, or the Beatles, would have just sounded like some crazy guy trying to attract attention to his playing, but it works perfectly in Pete's songs. And I like how so many times Pete has that acoustic rhythm in the bed of the track. They had a totally unique sound. The only knock against them I can see is that their catalog is rather small compared to the Kinks or the Stones (the only British Invasion bands of similar longevity I can think of). They've got more comps than studio albums.

I agree in that, in the terms of 60s rock bands, The Who tend to be a tad underrated.   I have a few theories:

1.  They were not as prolific as The Stones or Pink Floyd.  (Though if you measure quality over quantity, they have the Stones beat easily).

2.  Unlike The Beatles and Zeppelin, they continued to go on after the deaths of key members, therefore losing a bit of their mystique, which as much as I really like Zeppelin, I don't think there's a classic band that thrives more on mystique then them. 


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 06, 2017, 10:20:11 PM
It's strange; although the Who are ranked in the upper echelon of British Invasion bands, they don't seem to have the elite status of the Stones, Floyd, Zeppelin, etc. Personally, I prefer them to any of those bands - and I only have a couple of their albums! I know, I know...where have I been? But their best work is right up there with the best of the best IMO. Just got a copy of Who's Next recently, and it is definitely a classic. There's a reason they had a tough time continuing after Moon died; his drumming would have been totally wrong for, say, the Kinks, or the Beatles, would have just sounded like some crazy guy trying to attract attention to his playing, but it works perfectly in Pete's songs. And I like how so many times Pete has that acoustic rhythm in the bed of the track. They had a totally unique sound. The only knock against them I can see is that their catalog is rather small compared to the Kinks or the Stones (the only British Invasion bands of similar longevity I can think of). They've got more comps than studio albums.

I agree in that, in the terms of 60s rock bands, The Who tend to be a tad underrated.   I have a few theories:

1.  They were not as prolific as The Stones or Pink Floyd.  (Though if you measure quality over quantity, they have the Stones beat easily).

2.  Unlike The Beatles and Zeppelin, they continued to go on after the deaths of key members, therefore losing a bit of their mystique, which as much as I really like Zeppelin, I don't think there's a classic band that thrives more on mystique then them. 
I would have been just fine with things if The Who had really ended with their farewell tour in 1982. Some would say they should have stopped when Keith died; a valid perspective. I agree, in terms of quality, they have the Stones beat. I'd say the Kinks have both bands beat in both departments, but I accept that my opinion is a minority one. God Save the Kinks!


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: KDS on April 07, 2017, 05:29:45 AM
It's strange; although the Who are ranked in the upper echelon of British Invasion bands, they don't seem to have the elite status of the Stones, Floyd, Zeppelin, etc. Personally, I prefer them to any of those bands - and I only have a couple of their albums! I know, I know...where have I been? But their best work is right up there with the best of the best IMO. Just got a copy of Who's Next recently, and it is definitely a classic. There's a reason they had a tough time continuing after Moon died; his drumming would have been totally wrong for, say, the Kinks, or the Beatles, would have just sounded like some crazy guy trying to attract attention to his playing, but it works perfectly in Pete's songs. And I like how so many times Pete has that acoustic rhythm in the bed of the track. They had a totally unique sound. The only knock against them I can see is that their catalog is rather small compared to the Kinks or the Stones (the only British Invasion bands of similar longevity I can think of). They've got more comps than studio albums.

I agree in that, in the terms of 60s rock bands, The Who tend to be a tad underrated.   I have a few theories:

1.  They were not as prolific as The Stones or Pink Floyd.  (Though if you measure quality over quantity, they have the Stones beat easily).

2.  Unlike The Beatles and Zeppelin, they continued to go on after the deaths of key members, therefore losing a bit of their mystique, which as much as I really like Zeppelin, I don't think there's a classic band that thrives more on mystique then them. 
I would have been just fine with things if The Who had really ended with their farewell tour in 1982. Some would say they should have stopped when Keith died; a valid perspective. I agree, in terms of quality, they have the Stones beat. I'd say the Kinks have both bands beat in both departments, but I accept that my opinion is a minority one. God Save the Kinks!

From a selfish perspective, I'm glad The Who didn't call it quits in 1982.  Had they, I'd never have had the chance to see them live.  2000 with John was still alive.  2002 just after John passed.  And 2012 doing Quadrophenia. 

Plus, I think that Endless Wire is a far far better swan song than It's Hard.  The song Tea and Theatre to me is like The Who version of Summer's Gone, and they tend to use it as their closer now.  That'll likely be the last song I ever hear from Pete and Roger live, and I'm cool with that. 


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Buckethead on March 24, 2018, 08:40:23 PM

Lest we forget: Keith Moon was a rabid Beach Boys fan, hoping to run away to America to join them. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f29jcB1bZLI


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Buckethead on March 28, 2018, 10:55:33 AM
Roger Daltrey spends a great deal of time raising money for his charity, (The Teenage Cancer Trust, I believe), which supports teenagers with cancer. He gets big names to put on concerts with him, and the proceed benefit kids all over the world, including in the US. In several interviews he noted that children's hospitals are great for children, and adults get treatment in appropriate places, but adolescents seem to fall through the cracks in terms of an atmosphere that meets their emotional/social/recreational needs, all of which are important psychological aspects of battling the disease. It was especially touching to me when he said that he did it because rock artists owe their careers to teens, and he is trying to give back out of gratitude. See him backstage at a benefit with Robert Plant:   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Lol30Y_GI


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: KDS on March 28, 2018, 11:21:57 AM
Roger Daltrey spends a great deal of time raising money for his charity, (The Teenage Cancer Trust, I believe), which supports teenagers with cancer. He gets big names to put on concerts with him, and the proceed benefit kids all over the world, including in the US. In several interviews he noted that children's hospitals are great for children, and adults get treatment in appropriate places, but adolescents seem to fall through the cracks in terms of an atmosphere that meets their emotional/social/recreational needs, all of which are important psychological aspects of battling the disease. It was especially touching to me when he said that he did it because rock artists owe their careers to teens, and he is trying to give back out of gratitude. See him backstage at a benefit with Robert Plant:   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Lol30Y_GI

The Who has done shows for Teenage Cancer Trust.   There was a memorable show in 2000 that was released on DVD, which included guests such as Paul Weller, Bryan Adams, Eddie Wedder, etc. 


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Juice Brohnston on March 28, 2018, 11:26:34 AM
The Who was the first band I was really into. I got into them right at the time of the farewell tour. I still remember, putting on Quadrophenia, and hearing The Real Me (Moon's drumming especially)...magical.

By Numbers and Who are You probably don't get the credit they deserve. Pete was getting pretty introspective, and he wasn't shy to I guess, 'modernize' the sound of the band.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Buckethead on March 28, 2018, 11:34:27 AM
KDS - You're so right! How could I forget.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: KDS on March 28, 2018, 11:40:25 AM
KDS - You're so right! How could I forget.

It's worth it for a rarely performed So Sad About Us.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on February 03, 2019, 02:42:18 PM
This song still sounds as good and as meaningful as it did in the mid sixties:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afam2nIae4o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(song) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(song))


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on February 04, 2019, 07:03:57 AM
This song still sounds as good and as meaningful as it did in the mid sixties:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afam2nIae4o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(song) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(song))

I've just got back into The Who in a big way. I just started listening to the full deluxe Live at Leeds concert and they were such a massive force then.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on February 04, 2019, 10:09:19 AM
This song still sounds as good and as meaningful as it did in the mid sixties:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afam2nIae4o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(song) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(song))

I've just got back into The Who in a big way. I just started listening to the full deluxe Live at Leeds concert and they were such a massive force then.

Indeed they were! I'm more into their studio stuff up to and including Who's Next.

Actually I've always felt Tommy should have been a slngle LP. :smokin


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on February 04, 2019, 10:58:30 AM
This song still sounds as good and as meaningful as it did in the mid sixties:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afam2nIae4o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(song) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_Are_Alright_(song))

I've just got back into The Who in a big way. I just started listening to the full deluxe Live at Leeds concert and they were such a massive force then.

Indeed they were! I'm more into their studio stuff up to and including Who's Next.

Actually I've always felt Tommy should have been a slngle LP. :smokin

I go between thinking either their strength was singles and thinking the concept album is overrated, to thinking them to be the masters of the form of the concept album. It seems to depend on the year for me. At the moment, I am well into their albums, particularly the two major concepts Tommy and Quadrophenia. But, yeah, next year I'm sure I'll be with you on thinking Tommy is too much. But for now there's something about the sound of that album that's very appealing to me so I'm happy to hear all of it.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on February 04, 2019, 01:37:31 PM
I go between thinking either their strength was singles and thinking the concept album is overrated, to thinking them to be the masters of the form of the concept album. It seems to depend on the year for me. At the moment, I am well into their albums, particularly the two major concepts Tommy and Quadrophenia. But, yeah, next year I'm sure I'll be with you on thinking Tommy is too much. But for now there's something about the sound of that album that's very appealing to me so I'm happy to hear all of it.

Ill see if I can dig out my track list for the single LP. That said, it's all so subjective.  :smokin


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on February 04, 2019, 04:49:16 PM
I go between thinking either their strength was singles and thinking the concept album is overrated, to thinking them to be the masters of the form of the concept album. It seems to depend on the year for me. At the moment, I am well into their albums, particularly the two major concepts Tommy and Quadrophenia. But, yeah, next year I'm sure I'll be with you on thinking Tommy is too much. But for now there's something about the sound of that album that's very appealing to me so I'm happy to hear all of it.

Ill see if I can dig out my track list for the single LP. That said, it's all so subjective.  :smokin

Yes, I'd be curious to see it.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on February 05, 2019, 01:29:57 AM
Yes, I'd be curious to see it.

Here you go, Choc. I posted this at Smiley on June 2015. It all goes to show how important it is to post things on more than one forum--both my original "hobby" forum and PSF have died since then. :smokin

Side One:
1. Overture
2. Amazing Journey
3. Sparks
4. The Hawker
5. Cousin Kevin
6. The Acid Queen

Side Two:
1. Pinball Wizard
2. Go To The Mirror
3. Tommy Can You Hear Me
4. Smash The Mirror
5. Sensation
6. I'm Free
7. We're Not Gonna Take It

Bonus track on the CD version:
Underture


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on February 05, 2019, 07:49:29 PM
Yes, I'd be curious to see it.

Here you go, Choc. I posted this at Smiley on June 2015. It all goes to show how important it is to post things on more than one forum--both my original "hobby" forum and PSF have died since then. :smokin

Side One:
1. Overture
2. Amazing Journey
3. Sparks
4. The Hawker
5. Cousin Kevin
6. The Acid Queen

Side Two:
1. Pinball Wizard
2. Go To The Mirror
3. Tommy Can You Hear Me
4. Smash The Mirror
5. Sensation
6. I'm Free
7. We're Not Gonna Take It

Bonus track on the CD version:
Underture

Good succinct Tommy!

I can see taking out Christmas and Sally Simpson. Christmas doesn't really do much plot wise and those back-up vocals don't quite work well (and normally I think Townshend does pretty interesting things with the back-up singing). Sally Simpson does work better as a piece in the story (though it doesn't alter anything to leave it out) but for me it's a longer song than it needs to be. And, yes, I would have to imagine that any truncated version of Tommy would have to remove the Underture (even The Who themselves never played it in their "full" rendition of the album).

For me, though, I am quite partial to It's A Boy/1921 and Welcome (also a song they never played) so I would personally include that on mine - maybe replacing Cousin Kevin (which is important to the story but unsettling though not as much as Uncle Ernie which I am not sad to see go from your version) and hmm... Sensation? Hard to say for sure as I like that one too.

Overall, though, this would be a great album as you present it.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on February 06, 2019, 02:45:51 AM
Good succinct Tommy!

I can see taking out Christmas and Sally Simpson. Christmas doesn't really do much plot wise and those back-up vocals don't quite work well (and normally I think Townshend does pretty interesting things with the back-up singing). Sally Simpson does work better as a piece in the story (though it doesn't alter anything to leave it out) but for me it's a longer song than it needs to be. And, yes, I would have to imagine that any truncated version of Tommy would have to remove the Underture (even The Who themselves never played it in their "full" rendition of the album).

For me, though, I am quite partial to It's A Boy/1921 and Welcome (also a song they never played) so I would personally include that on mine - maybe replacing Cousin Kevin (which is important to the story but unsettling though not as much as Uncle Ernie which I am not sad to see go from your version) and hmm... Sensation? Hard to say for sure as I like that one too.

Overall, though, this would be a great album as you present it.

Thanks! Obviously it's so darn subjective. Funnily, it was "Underture" that made my ears prick up when listening to Tommy for the first time in (I think) 1971.

Both the album and the Ken Russell film seem very dark to me--I don't know if that's the general feeing. Like all the really heavy stuff happens at night.  ;D


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on February 06, 2019, 07:29:41 AM
Good succinct Tommy!

I can see taking out Christmas and Sally Simpson. Christmas doesn't really do much plot wise and those back-up vocals don't quite work well (and normally I think Townshend does pretty interesting things with the back-up singing). Sally Simpson does work better as a piece in the story (though it doesn't alter anything to leave it out) but for me it's a longer song than it needs to be. And, yes, I would have to imagine that any truncated version of Tommy would have to remove the Underture (even The Who themselves never played it in their "full" rendition of the album).

For me, though, I am quite partial to It's A Boy/1921 and Welcome (also a song they never played) so I would personally include that on mine - maybe replacing Cousin Kevin (which is important to the story but unsettling though not as much as Uncle Ernie which I am not sad to see go from your version) and hmm... Sensation? Hard to say for sure as I like that one too.

Overall, though, this would be a great album as you present it.

Thanks! Obviously it's so darn subjective. Funnily, it was "Underture" that made my ears prick up when listening to Tommy for the first time in (I think) 1971.

Both the album and the Ken Russell film seem very dark to me--I don't know if that's the general feeing. Like all the really heavy stuff happens at night.  ;D

I haven't seen the movie in a very long and to be honest I'm not sure if I've ever sat through the whole thing at once. I remember feeling very let down by the film when I saw it though.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on February 06, 2019, 12:20:51 PM
I haven't seen the movie in a very long and to be honest I'm not sure if I've ever sat through the whole thing at once. I remember feeling very let down by the film when I saw it though.

Ken Russell detested pop music so his take on Tommy was pretty much out of left field. I've seen it several times, and on each occasion when Daltrey first appeared as the adult Tommy there were sighs of relief in the cinema! :lol

I've always regarded it as a classic, even though Russell's budget ran out towards the end.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Ovi on February 07, 2019, 10:45:47 AM
I've been playing Pete Townshend's Empty Glass a lot lately. Beautiful forgotten record. Kind of Who by Numbers Vol. 2.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on February 07, 2019, 11:16:36 AM
Speaking of The Who, I'm seriously trying to get tickets to their upcoming tour. They're going on tour, and releasing a new studio album. They're playing in Pittsburgh at a place called PPG Paints Arena.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on May 29, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
Speaking of The Who, I'm seriously trying to get tickets to their upcoming tour. They're going on tour, and releasing a new studio album. They're playing in Pittsburgh at a place called PPG Paints Arena.

Did you manage to get tickets, Jay?


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: SMiLE-addict on May 31, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
It occurred to me as I heard it on the radio this morning ... could My Generation be considered the first punk rock song?


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: thatjacob on May 31, 2019, 05:02:00 PM
I grabbed tickets to see them during livenation's $20 concert week and I'm starting to get excited about their upcoming Atlanta date.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on May 31, 2019, 09:36:27 PM
Speaking of The Who, I'm seriously trying to get tickets to their upcoming tour. They're going on tour, and releasing a new studio album. They're playing in Pittsburgh at a place called PPG Paints Arena.

Did you manage to get tickets, Jay?
Yep! I saw them on the 30th. I was about 70 yards from the stage.  8)


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on May 31, 2019, 10:37:41 PM
That’s awesome...happy for you my brother!


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on May 31, 2019, 11:12:05 PM
That’s awesome...happy for you my brother!
Thanks.  ;D I had one of the weirdest things ever happen to me at the show. I was getting emotional from the start, and by the finale of the Tommy sequence("See Me Feel Me") the tears were falling down my cheek. The earliest memory I have of The Who is seeing them do "See Me Feel Me" from watching the Woodstock movie on TV. It was what made me a fan. Seeing the surviving members actually performing it in person was too much, and I was totally overcome by everything and started crying like a baby. It was beautiful beyond words.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 01, 2019, 12:04:09 AM
May I chime in - to me, perfect live gig is that which brings positivity & joy. I like NOT the emotional type gigs but just stand/ sit there & be glad to see/ hear what's cookin' musically by musicians. Plain & simple. 2 cents towards discussion.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on June 01, 2019, 07:51:10 AM
See, personally I disagree. For me, the best concerts are almost like a spiritual experience. But then again for me music IS a spiritual thing, both as a creator and as a listener. I rarely listen to music in a superficial level (honestly sometimes I wish I could) but when something hits me, I get lost in it.

In Jay’s case, the emotions brought him joy, like it did when I saw the reunited Beach Boys and it started raining right during “God Only Knows” , and a little girl sitting in front of us told her dad that it meant God was crying because he was so moved. That hit me in the feels


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 01, 2019, 10:42:39 AM
I do not listen to music superficially either. I view it differently - like song/ dislike song, like band/ dislike band, fan/ not fan. By definition, it means if I really like song/ band, it's definitely not superficial. It stays that way for good.
I frankly don't hear music in spiritual way - in fact, not sure quite what precisely it entails. What I really say is I can't stand songs that bring you to crybaby state & gigs you see get you "tears streaming down", to use cliched phrase. Even if it's "tears of joy", to use, again, cliched phrase. I like live music to be entertained, cheered up, listen-see with great attention what musicians sing & play, tell tales, humor people - don't give care about the other spectators goofing around & about joining to do the same. I shall pay attn to the artist, nobody else but.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 01, 2019, 11:31:54 AM
Then perhaps you should only reply in threads about music you personally connect too. Or maybe you should see a doctor about your lack of empathy.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on June 01, 2019, 11:35:04 AM
Then perhaps you should only reply in threads about music you personally connect too. Or maybe you should see a doctor about your lack of empathy.


That wasn’t necessary


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 01, 2019, 11:36:14 AM
2 Jay: I do not need rude advices. I chimed in to bring 2 cents. It's free speech board.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 01, 2019, 11:52:42 AM
Then perhaps you should only reply in threads about music you personally connect too. Or maybe you should see a doctor about your lack of empathy.


That wasn’t necessary
You're probably right. This was a very special and intense moment for me, and it just really irked me to be basically criticised for it.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 01, 2019, 11:59:41 AM
Like I said, I chimed in to say what to ME is perfect gig. Is it disallowed to share views about it? I stand by them, I just replied to say it. Then what's this big deal? Your reply either way is VERY rude in compare than this perceived "critisizing". But I shan't ask apology.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on June 02, 2019, 01:36:53 AM
Time for a musical breather, methinks. :smokin

Jay, if I remember correctly, this is your all-time favourite song by anyone. Indeed, a wondrous track from a wondrous album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpE5i0ad7nU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Song_Is_Over


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 02, 2019, 06:16:52 AM
Time for a musical breather, methinks. :smokin

Jay, if I remember correctly, this is your all-time favourite song by anyone. Indeed, a wondrous track from a wondrous album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpE5i0ad7nU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Song_Is_Over
Indeed, it is.  :-D Oh, how I wish they had performed that one!! Other than the "See Me Feel Me" ending portion of Tommy, there were two other songs that night that really got to me; "Tea and Theatre", because it makes me think of John and Keith, and "Imagine A Man" from 1975's "The Who By Numbers". This tour is the first time they have ever played that song live. It was definitely the highlight of the night. The performance of "Eminence Front" was also one of the greatest versions of the song I've ever heard. Pete Townshend seemed like he was genuinely loving being there, which was actually pretty odd.  :lol


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on June 02, 2019, 07:17:16 AM
Other than the "See Me Feel Me" ending portion of Tommy, there were two other songs that night that really got to me; "Tea and Theatre", because it makes me think of John and Keith, and "Imagine A Man" from 1975's "The Who By Numbers". This tour is the first time they have ever played that song live. It was definitely the highlight of the night. The performance of "Eminence Front" was also one of the greatest versions of the song I've ever heard. Pete Townshend seemed like he was genuinely loving being there, which was actually pretty odd.  :lol

So Pete's isn't into doing live shows these days? I must check out those two other songs you mention, as I'm not familiar with either. Sounds like it was quite a show, even without "TSIO"!


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 02, 2019, 07:45:40 AM
Other than the "See Me Feel Me" ending portion of Tommy, there were two other songs that night that really got to me; "Tea and Theatre", because it makes me think of John and Keith, and "Imagine A Man" from 1975's "The Who By Numbers". This tour is the first time they have ever played that song live. It was definitely the highlight of the night. The performance of "Eminence Front" was also one of the greatest versions of the song I've ever heard. Pete Townshend seemed like he was genuinely loving being there, which was actually pretty odd.  :lol

So Pete's isn't into doing live shows these days? I must check out those two other songs you mention, as I'm not familiar with either. Sounds like it was quite a show, even without "TSIO"!
Pete has a long and complicated love/hate relationship with The Who, going back to the time of Moon's death(and probably before that lol). Over the years he has occasionally had no problem at all showing his disdain for The Who.  ;D I think he views it as kind of a curse that won't go away. He has often been more or less talked into some of the various reunions in the past. But at the show I saw recently Pete was very animated, and was obviously loving every minute of it. I just thought it was kind of strange to see a real and truly "happy Pete" .


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on June 10, 2019, 02:17:17 AM
Pete has a long and complicated love/hate relationship with The Who, going back to the time of Moon's death(and probably before that lol). Over the years he has occasionally had no problem at all showing his disdain for The Who.  ;D I think he views it as kind of a curse that won't go away. He has often been more or less talked into some of the various reunions in the past. But at the show I saw recently Pete was very animated, and was obviously loving every minute of it. I just thought it was kind of strange to see a real and truly "happy Pete" .

Thanks for explaining, Jay. Yesterday YouTube suggested I listen to "Dreaming From The Waste". God, that Ox! I really must give the entire album a listen some time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y08nK9DgB78


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 10, 2019, 05:18:04 AM
Pete has a long and complicated love/hate relationship with The Who, going back to the time of Moon's death(and probably before that lol). Over the years he has occasionally had no problem at all showing his disdain for The Who.  ;D I think he views it as kind of a curse that won't go away. He has often been more or less talked into some of the various reunions in the past. But at the show I saw recently Pete was very animated, and was obviously loving every minute of it. I just thought it was kind of strange to see a real and truly "happy Pete" .

Thanks for explaining, Jay. Yesterday YouTube suggested I listen to "Dreaming From The Waste". God, that Ox! I really must give the entire album a listen some time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y08nK9DgB78
Yeah, that is a tremendous song, isn't it?  ;D That whole album(" The Who By Numbers") is great. I view it as one of their best albums. But it's one of those albums that fans are divided by.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Ovi on June 12, 2019, 02:43:41 AM
Yeah, that is a tremendous song, isn't it?  ;D That whole album(" The Who By Numbers") is great. I view it as one of their best albums. But it's one of those albums that fans are divided by.

Love that album. Weary and personal, kind of like their Tonight's the Night. I think it's my favorite of theirs besides Quadrophenia and the live stuff.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 12, 2019, 05:31:33 AM
Yeah, that is a tremendous song, isn't it?  ;D That whole album(" The Who By Numbers") is great. I view it as one of their best albums. But it's one of those albums that fans are divided by.

Love that album. Weary and personal, kind of like their Tonight's the Night. I think it's my favorite of theirs besides Quadrophenia and the live stuff.
Yeah, you need to be in the right frame of mind to listen to the majority of the songs. You really can't go from "Squeeze Box" to "Imagine A Man", or "In A Hand Or A Face".  ;D


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on June 12, 2019, 05:36:27 AM
Love that album. Weary and personal, kind of like their Tonight's the Night. I think it's my favorite of theirs besides Quadrophenia and the live stuff.

I like that sentence. I've just given the whole thing a listen. God, what stunning musicianship--particularly Entwistle! :o

Thanks for the heads up on that, Jay and Ovi. :)


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 12, 2019, 06:01:22 AM
Love that album. Weary and personal, kind of like their Tonight's the Night. I think it's my favorite of theirs besides Quadrophenia and the live stuff.

I like that sentence. I've just given the whole thing a listen. God, what stunning musicianship--particularly Entwistle! :o

Thanks for the heads up on that, Jay and Ovi. :)
Now you need to check out the "Who Are You" album.  ;D A lot of fans are divided on it as well as, and probably more so than "By Numbers". By the time of "Who Are You", Keith was in pretty bad shape, with his alcohol addiction and as well as physically, and it really shows on the WAY album. At times he really doesn't sound like Keith Moon. Well, there are little bits that are 100% Keith, but his wild and out of control style is gone, and in its place is more of a typical "tick, boom, tick, boom" beat. But the songs in my opinion are great, and it's actually my favorite Who album. I think Pete kind of hit a peak with his song writing during that period. You probably won't hear that from most Who fans.  ;)


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on June 13, 2019, 02:42:29 PM
Now you need to check out the "Who Are You" album.  ;D A lot of fans are divided on it as well as, and probably more so than "By Numbers". By the time of "Who Are You", Keith was in pretty bad shape, with his alcohol addiction and as well as physically, and it really shows on the WAY album. At times he really doesn't sound like Keith Moon. Well, there are little bits that are 100% Keith, but his wild and out of control style is gone, and in its place is more of a typical "tick, boom, tick, boom" beat. But the songs in my opinion are great, and it's actually my favorite Who album. I think Pete kind of hit a peak with his song writing during that period. You probably won't hear that from most Who fans.  ;)

Thanks! It's great fun investigating the less obvious Who stuff--and most rewarding. ::)

I've got Who Are You lined up for late-night/early morning listening over the next few days. ;)


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 13, 2019, 03:23:05 PM
Now you need to check out the "Who Are You" album.  ;D A lot of fans are divided on it as well as, and probably more so than "By Numbers". By the time of "Who Are You", Keith was in pretty bad shape, with his alcohol addiction and as well as physically, and it really shows on the WAY album. At times he really doesn't sound like Keith Moon. Well, there are little bits that are 100% Keith, but his wild and out of control style is gone, and in its place is more of a typical "tick, boom, tick, boom" beat. But the songs in my opinion are great, and it's actually my favorite Who album. I think Pete kind of hit a peak with his song writing during that period. You probably won't hear that from most Who fans.  ;)

Thanks! It's great fun investigating the less obvious Who stuff--and most rewarding. ::)

I've got Who Are You lined up for late-night/early morning listening over the next few days. ;)
I can't remember if we discussed the "Sell Out" album on PSF or not. I remember talking with somebody about it. I'd add that one on the "must listen" list.  8)  After you tackle those two, we'll talk about the "Its Hard" album with Kenney Jones.  ;)


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on June 14, 2019, 04:32:59 AM
I can't remember if we discussed the "Sell Out" album on PSF or not. I remember talking with somebody about it. I'd add that one on the "must listen" list.  8)  After you tackle those two, we'll talk about the "Its Hard" album with Kenney Jones.  ;)

I own (and love) TWSO. It knocks spots off Tommy in my humble opinion. :smokin

Who Are You is brilliant so far. ;)


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 14, 2019, 06:20:52 AM
I can't remember if we discussed the "Sell Out" album on PSF or not. I remember talking with somebody about it. I'd add that one on the "must listen" list.  8)  After you tackle those two, we'll talk about the "Its Hard" album with Kenney Jones.  ;)

I own (and love) TWSO. It knocks spots off Tommy in my humble opinion. :smokin

Who Are You is brilliant so far. ;)
The only songs on WAY I have a hard time getting into are Guitar and Pen, and Sister Disco. I like Sister Disco, but not really the studio version. I'm so used to hearing the song with Kenney Jones that I'm constantly forgetting that it was originally recorded and released during Keith's lifetime!  :lol My favorite songs on the album are "Trick of The Light", "Music Must Change", "New Song", "Had Enough"...basically the whole album, but those ones especially.  ;D

For the last two or three years, It's been my "pet project" to compile a hypothetical album of all the outtakes and unreleased songs from the TWSO period, that would be in between TWSO and Tommy. I'm no closer to finishing it than when I first spoke of the idea on PSF. It's literally become my SMiLE.  :lol


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on June 16, 2019, 01:42:35 PM
The only songs on WAY I have a hard time getting into are Guitar and Pen, and Sister Disco. I like Sister Disco, but not really the studio version. I'm so used to hearing the song with Kenney Jones that I'm constantly forgetting that it was originally recorded and released during Keith's lifetime!  :lol My favorite songs on the album are "Trick of The Light", "Music Must Change", "New Song", "Had Enough"...basically the whole album, but those ones especially.  ;D

"Guitar And Pen" is certainly unusual, lol, but I do like "Sister Disco"--those crazy synth lines are something else! The other track that stuck out for me on first listen is "Had Enough"--it's almost Spectorian with its swirling strings. I must listen to WAY again some time. I mentioned it and The Who by Numbers at Hoffman and got some enthusiastic responses, particularly about TWBN.  ;)   

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For the last two or three years, It's been my "pet project" to compile a hypothetical album of all the outtakes and unreleased songs from the TWSO period, that would be in between TWSO and Tommy. I'm no closer to finishing it than when I first spoke of the idea on PSF. It's literally become my SMiLE.  :lol

What's the problem? Too many to choose from? I know there are several good ones on my CD of Sell Out. I can't for the life of me remember the Who discussion at PSF! I assume it wasn't resumed at EH...


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on June 26, 2019, 04:12:57 AM
It's Hard...

Years ago a younger relative gave me a mixtape that included eight tracks from this album. I know I fell in love with "Eminence Front" the moment I heard it but I can't remember the others too well, if at all.

I now have the full album on YouTube lined up for the next day or so. To be continued. ;D


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on June 26, 2019, 10:54:52 AM
It's Hard...

Years ago a younger relative gave me a mixtape that included eight tracks from this album. I know I fell in love with "Eminence Front" the moment I heard it but I can't remember the others too well, if at all.

I now have the full album on YouTube lined up for the next day or so. To be continued. ;D
For years, I considered "I've Known No War" from It's Hard to be the last truly great Who song(up until "Its Not Enough", but we'll get to that album eventually lol). I loved it from the first time I heard it. I actually really like It's Hard.  I absolutely hate "One Life's Enough" though.  :lol It's one of only two Who songs that I truly don't like at all.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on July 16, 2019, 12:05:07 PM
I'll get back to It's Hard soon, Jay. But for now I'll link this jaunty song from Tommy. My son recently acquired a puppy of that name and I'll be minding it tomorrow afternoon. It's a Border Collie, described by the lads and lasses at Wikipedia as having "high energy and prodigious stamina". They're not kidding! ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXTe3K7BllM


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on July 16, 2019, 10:47:07 PM
Congrats on the puppy. Good luck.  :p  :lol


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on July 17, 2019, 06:42:08 AM
Congrats on the puppy. Good luck.  :p  :lol

The longest four hours ever. :lol  Actually, it went fine. :)

I'd always had trouble with the full-length Tommy so four years ago I unceremoniously reduced it by half:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5652.msg646647.html#msg646647

I call it the Cassandra Mix, after the good person who asked me what I'd called it. :P


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on August 29, 2019, 05:20:13 AM
It's Hard is back on my playlist. To be continued. ;) 


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on August 29, 2019, 09:26:44 AM
It's Hard is back on my playlist. To be continued. ;) 
To be 100% honest, it's actually one of my favorite Who albums. Many people say it's the worst of the post Moon albums, but I think it's the other way around. I've never cared for Face Dances much. But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.  ;D


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on September 02, 2019, 01:57:57 PM
It's Hard is back on my playlist. To be continued. ;) 
To be 100% honest, it's actually one of my favorite Who albums. Many people say it's the worst of the post Moon albums, but I think it's the other way around. I've never cared for Face Dances much. But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.  ;D

Exactly! :lol

I got round to listening to It's Hard after taking a break (from Smiley, music, everything really) and loved it. Every track a winner, including "One Life's Enough". (Some beautiful piano on that.) "I've Known No War" is a fantastic anthem!

So far, so incredibly good. Thanks, Jay, for getting me to (re)visit these great albums. Next up? Face Dances. :smokin


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on September 02, 2019, 03:14:57 PM
I loved Its Hard from the first time I heard it. I was familiar with the title song, Dangerous, and Emience Front from the Who Rocks America vhs tape already. I've never understood why I've Known No War was never played live.  It's such an amazing song! It's never been on a compilation either, which is weird.

In my opinion, Face Dances is the only Who album(so far at least) where the best songs aren't by Pete Townshend. John's "You" and "The Quiet One" are the best songs on the album. The three outtakes for the album( "I Like Nightmares", "Somebody Saved Me" and "It's In You"), all written by Pete, are all miles above anything from him that actually ended up on the album. I think the best song he wrote that ended up on "Face Dances" is "Daily Records". I would definitely seek out the three outtakes I mentioned on YouTube.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on September 13, 2019, 01:15:23 AM
If the rest of the new album is this good, then this is  going to be one hell of an album.  8) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMn3UiMfPA&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on September 19, 2019, 01:36:26 PM
I loved Its Hard from the first time I heard it. I was familiar with the title song, Dangerous, and Emience Front from the Who Rocks America vhs tape already. I've never understood why I've Known No War was never played live.  It's such an amazing song! It's never been on a compilation either, which is weird.

In my opinion, Face Dances is the only Who album(so far at least) where the best songs aren't by Pete Townshend. John's "You" and "The Quiet One" are the best songs on the album. The three outtakes for the album( "I Like Nightmares", "Somebody Saved Me" and "It's In You"), all written by Pete, are all miles above anything from him that actually ended up on the album. I think the best song he wrote that ended up on "Face Dances" is "Daily Records". I would definitely seek out the three outtakes I mentioned on YouTube.

Sorry to get back to you so late, Jay. I listened to Face Dances a couple of weeks back and was pleasantly surprised. Apart from the ones you mention, "Another Tricky Day" stood out for me. There was one song about being robbed or something--now that was really weird! And... you're right--those outtakes are superb!  ::)


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on September 19, 2019, 02:59:28 PM
I loved Its Hard from the first time I heard it. I was familiar with the title song, Dangerous, and Emience Front from the Who Rocks America vhs tape already. I've never understood why I've Known No War was never played live.  It's such an amazing song! It's never been on a compilation either, which is weird.

In my opinion, Face Dances is the only Who album(so far at least) where the best songs aren't by Pete Townshend. John's "You" and "The Quiet One" are the best songs on the album. The three outtakes for the album( "I Like Nightmares", "Somebody Saved Me" and "It's In You"), all written by Pete, are all miles above anything from him that actually ended up on the album. I think the best song he wrote that ended up on "Face Dances" is "Daily Records". I would definitely seek out the three outtakes I mentioned on YouTube.

Sorry to get back to you so late, Jay. I listened to Face Dances a couple of weeks back and was pleasantly surprised. Apart from the ones you mention, "Another Tricky Day" stood out for me. There was one song about being robbed or something--now that was really weird! And... you're right--those outtakes are superb!  ::)
That one about being robbed is "Did You Steal My Money?". It's one of my least favorite Who songs. It sounds like a Police/Sting outtake.  :lol One big problem I have about Face Dances is the way the drums sound. I don't know if it's the way they were recorded, or the drum kit used, but I hate the sound of the drums on this record. The beginning of "Don't Let Go The Coat" is a great example. Listen to the initial drum roll after the guitar intro. To me they sound like early 80's electric drums.  Other than the drums, I'd have to say it's one of the better songs on the album. I have a weird love/hate thing with "Another Tricky Day". The studio version is kind of dull  to me, but it was always quite a bit better in concert. The version from the 1981 Rockpalast program is a good example of how much better it was in a concert setting. I couldn't quite tell if you were being facetious about the outtakes with that eye roll emoticon. I have a theory that those songs were left off the album simply because they were to good.  ;D They would have stood out like a sore thumb.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on September 19, 2019, 03:15:25 PM
I couldn't quite tell if you were being facetious about the outtakes with that eye roll emoticon. I have a theory that those songs were left off the album simply because they were too good.  ;D They would have stood out like a sore thumb.

No, I wasn't being facetious. Those three are super. And your theory sounds plausible!


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on October 05, 2019, 01:56:02 AM
A new Who song is out, and it's glorious. I'm amazed how great Roger sounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpKhGNaiS6c&t=0s


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on October 16, 2019, 12:02:05 PM
A new Who song is out, and it's glorious. I'm amazed how great Roger sounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpKhGNaiS6c&t=0s

I finally got round to listening to it this evening. Roger does sound great! Indeed, the whole thing sizzles like all the great Who songs.

Thanks, Jay. If the rest of the album is this good... 


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on November 28, 2019, 02:43:38 AM
Time to return to this fine topic...

The Who were arguably at their most psychedelic on Sell Out, and the most psychedelic track on that album has to be "Armenia, City In The Sky". (This is when Jay steps in and tells me I'm talking nonsense. :lol )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7wrwctQS3s


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on November 28, 2019, 07:27:06 AM
Time to return to this fine topic...

The Who were arguably at their most psychedelic on Sell Out, and the most psychedelic track on that album has to be "Armenia, City In The Sky". (This is when Jay steps in and tells me I'm talking nonsense. :lol )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7wrwctQS3s
I actually agree completely.  ;D I often think of "Sell Out" as their psychedelic album and period. Another contender might be the outtake "Melancolia". I'm still trying to come up with a hypothetical post Sell Out but pre Tommy album, by the way.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: dogear on November 28, 2019, 08:10:56 AM
Time to return to this fine topic...

The Who were arguably at their most psychedelic on Sell Out, and the most psychedelic track on that album has to be "Armenia, City In The Sky". (This is when Jay steps in and tells me I'm talking nonsense. :lol )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7wrwctQS3s
I actually agree completely.  ;D I often think of "Sell Out" as their psychedelic album and period. Another contender might be the outtake "Melancolia". I'm still trying to come up with a hypothetical post Sell Out but pre Tommy album, by the way.
"Melancolia" has always been one of my favorite Who tracks. By the way the new album is due at the beginning of December


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on November 28, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
A third song from the new album has been released. I think it's called I Don't Want To Get Wise.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on November 28, 2019, 11:32:51 AM
A third song from the new album has been released. I think it's called I Don't Want To Get Wise.

Wanna, not Want. It sounds lovely! This promises to be a fantastic album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPgKsdqOFOo


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on November 28, 2019, 12:00:27 PM
I only listened to it once, and I wasn't all that impressed. But I'll give it a few more tries. There is apparently going to be a "deluxe version" featuring two previously unreleased demos. One of them is called "Sand". It recently came up for auction as an acetate.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on December 06, 2019, 05:35:58 AM
"Who" has now been officially released, and the entire thing is on Spotify. "Detour" is an incredible song! Roger sounds just like he did in the 70's, I sh*t you not. 


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on December 06, 2019, 10:06:22 AM
"Who" has now been officially released, and the entire thing is on Spotify. "Detour" is an incredible song! Roger sounds just like he did in the 70's, I sh*t you not. 

Goodness. Let's hope Mr Tubey does the decent thing and comes through with the entire thing too (I'm not on Spotify).


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on December 06, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
"Who" has now been officially released, and the entire thing is on Spotify. "Detour" is an incredible song! Roger sounds just like he did in the 70's, I sh*t you not. 

Goodness. Let's hope Mr Tubey does the decent thing and comes through with the entire thing too (I'm not on Spotify).
This message was actually supposed to be a message to you, but in my excitement I screwed it up!  :lol Spotify is easy to do, and it's totally free. But I'll check to see if it's on YouTube.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: krabklaw on December 06, 2019, 03:23:34 PM
Even though I'm not a super fan or anything, it's still cool to have a new Who album in the world. I've been listening to the preview tracks this past week and checked out some of the new tracks today on Youtube and it all sounds pretty good if not great. Spotify  is featuring the deluxe version of the album which adds three tracks to the regular edition.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on December 09, 2019, 05:45:07 AM
I have listened to several of the songs from the new album, but haven't heard the whole thing yet. This is very similar to the beach boys C50 reunion album, in that it's surprisingly great at times, and is far better than it has the right to, to be frank about it. The one big down side is the actual production and mastering. There is brickwalling, and the vocals at times are even distorted. The vocals and drums sound "dead". That's really the only way I can think of to explain it. There is also detectable autotune, which was my biggest fear.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on December 10, 2019, 01:37:16 AM
I have listened to several of the songs from the new album, but haven't heard the whole thing yet. This is very similar to the beach boys C50 reunion album, in that it's surprisingly great at times, and is far better than it has the right to, to be frank about it. The one big down side is the actual production and mastering. There is brickwalling, and the vocals at times are even distorted. The vocals and drums sound "dead". That's really the only way I can think of to explain it. There is also detectable autotune, which was my biggest fear.

And here is the whole thing, on YouTube! (Thanks!!!)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kABIg1FciE-wz-9Lz_rQ1TZeiZdBfme-M

Yes, I noticed autotune as well. I have no problem with it, nor did I have a problem with it on TWGMTR.

Really looking forward to hearing it all!


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on December 10, 2019, 02:10:18 AM
I have listened to several of the songs from the new album, but haven't heard the whole thing yet. This is very similar to the beach boys C50 reunion album, in that it's surprisingly great at times, and is far better than it has the right to, to be frank about it. The one big down side is the actual production and mastering. There is brickwalling, and the vocals at times are even distorted. The vocals and drums sound "dead". That's really the only way I can think of to explain it. There is also detectable autotune, which was my biggest fear.

And here is the whole thing, on YouTube! (Thanks!!!)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kABIg1FciE-wz-9Lz_rQ1TZeiZdBfme-M

Yes, I noticed autotune as well. I have no problem with it, nor did I have a problem with it on TWGMTR.

Really looking forward to hearing it all!
The one part where I thought the autotune was too much was on "Danny And My Ponies". I thought it was a great song, but the
Robo Pete" really took something away from it. Hopefully it'll get added to the setlist, because I really think it would be better in a live setting.


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: JK on December 11, 2019, 10:31:23 AM
Jay, what exactly is this? Is this the famous "Sand" demo you've mentioned?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_apVH6PQTc


Title: Re: The Who
Post by: Jay on December 11, 2019, 10:40:14 AM
Jay, what exactly is this? Is this the famous "Sand" demo you've mentioned?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_apVH6PQTc
Indeed it is. That's the original acetate that surfaced not to long ago. I had never heard of the song before, so I'm not sure if it's a previously unknown recording, or if it's already known to collectors and I somehow missed it.  :lol