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Title: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Dan Lega on February 03, 2006, 08:38:39 AM

    A recording of Brian in Holland!  I found a link to this on
Susan's Shut Down board.  It has Brian trying to sing a song
apparently called "Little Child".  (I reprinted a version of the full
lyrics below.)  It also has Brian doing "Susie Cincinnati".  Now why
he would be doing this a few years after it was recorded and put on
the "B" side of a single?  In fact, why would he be doing it all since
it was supposedly an Al Jardine song?  Did Brian write some, or a lot,
of the tune?  Wouldn't surprise me if he did.  I hope you can download
it!

http://www.shutdown-vol2.com/forum/index.php?topic=91.msg0#new




*************



(Here's the intro to the tape from the website...)


When Brian Wilson and the other Beach Boys ,recorded Holland in
Holland, I lent Brian a small UHER reel to reel tape recorder, so he
could have something for ideas at home...
when i got it back, when he left for the usa again, it still had some
music and parts of a song on a tape.

here is that song... I have a feeling that it is not one of his own,
but that he simply liked it.

for an upload of your choice from the wall of tapes, (just ask,i may
have it )

who can tell me what that song is ?

it just struck me that nobody in the world has ever heard this, since
1970...

http://rapidshare.de/files/12334948/brian_in_holland.mp3

-hansZUN



**********************



LITTLE CHILD

Daddy dear, tell me please, is the world really round?
Tell me where is the bluebird of happiness found?
Tell me why is the sky up above so blue?
And when you were a child did your daddy tell you
What becomes of the sun when it falls into the sea
And who lights it again bright as bright can be?
Tell me why can't I fly without wings through the skies?
Tell me why, Daddy dear, are there tears in your eyes?

Little one, little one, yes, the world's really round
And the bluebird you search for will surely be found
And the sky up above is so blue and clear so that
You'll see the bluebird if it should come near
And the sun doesn't fall when it slips out of sight
All it does is make way for the moon's pretty light
And if children could fly there'd be no need for birds
And I cry, little one, 'cause I'm touched by your words

Don't be sad, Daddy dear, if it's true the world's round
I will search 'round the world till the bluebird is found
Little one, there's no need to wander too far
For what you really seek is right here where you are
Show me where, Daddy dear, and here's what I will do
I will take the dear bluebird and give it to you
Dear, the bluebird's the love in your heart pure and true
And I found it the day heaven blessed me with you!"

I also found, at
http://www.dancingcat.com/dancingcat/notes/01934-11157-2.shtml the
following:

'Mon Enfant has an unknown origin. "I've heard it by guitarist Ralph
Towner and under the name Little Child, Daddy Dear by guitarist Wes
Montgomery and by bandleader Spike Jones," George says. "and also in a
movie. The first lines of the lyrics are 'Daddy dear, Daddy dear, is
the world really round?/Tell me where is the Bluebird of Happiness
found.' I don't know if it's originally French. I've been told there
are other versions, one on an old 78 rpm. If anybody knows more about
the history of this song, I'd like to know.




*********************

 


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: king of anglia on February 03, 2006, 09:10:39 AM
Well this is bloody amazing.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Mitchell on February 03, 2006, 10:15:47 AM
It's cool to hear his voice here. It's very "in between" the sweet voice and the gruff voice, exactly as you'd imagine.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Aegir on February 03, 2006, 11:59:31 AM
Didn't work for me when I downloaded it; it was one of those files where you hit the play button and nothing happens.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: al on February 03, 2006, 12:30:47 PM
Finally got it and, yeah, interesting bit of Brian noodling away. Not essential but nice. Probably never find it again though (where do my downloaded files go to?).


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: SurferGirl7 on February 03, 2006, 12:32:29 PM
I was blown away. What a good demo, (shame though it wasn't longer then 3 minutes!!)


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Chris Brown on February 03, 2006, 01:43:29 PM
Very cool stuff!


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: punkinhead on February 03, 2006, 02:20:17 PM
part of this was on the Bio of BW on A&E


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jonas on February 03, 2006, 03:39:29 PM
sounds great, i quickly edited a mono copy of it (just the right channel from the original) so it sounds fuller (since its playing on both left and right speakers now as oppose to just the right)...if anyone wants it.



Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 03, 2006, 04:06:13 PM
Dan Lega,
     Thank you for sharing these songs, but I have a question. The first song you have titled as "Little Child". I was under the impression that this song was called "Patty Cake", a song about a gorilla or something. Certainly the lyrics you posted say nothing about a gorilla. I'm confused...


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 03, 2006, 07:48:18 PM
I love his voice on this.  God, I wonder just how much great stuff is out there. Wish I could hear some stuff from Get the boot...


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: LeeDempsey on February 03, 2006, 10:35:22 PM
I believe someone along the way claimed it was "Pattycake" based on their own ears ("Daddy Dear, Daddy Dear" and "Pattycake, Pattycake" could sound a bit alike, especially muffled in the background while Marilyn is talking over it) -- but I don't think that claim was actually based on any fact...

Lee


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 03:02:47 AM
"Thenitgoes" plink plink "thenitgoes".  Kind of an annoying speech habit, Brian.  I mean, we can pretty much assume that that's how it goes since you're playing it.

Maybe he's playing it for Al, kind of an acknowledgement that he likes Suzie.  Still unrealesed at that point.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Rocker on February 04, 2006, 04:54:01 AM
Maybe he's playing it for Al, kind of an acknowledgement that he likes Suzie.  Still unrealesed at that point.

I think it was already released as a B-side at that point.

BTW I'm just downloading a song called "Murry the beast" by Brian. Anyone know what this is? I can't hear it, since it's not finished and it someho doesn't work. Maybe it's Surfin USA and someone just named it "Murry the beast", but....


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jeff Mason on February 04, 2006, 05:51:33 AM
"Thenitgoes" plink plink "thenitgoes".  Kind of an annoying speech habit, Brian.  I mean, we can pretty much assume that that's how it goes since you're playing it.

Maybe he's playing it for Al, kind of an acknowledgement that he likes Suzie.  Still unrealesed at that point.

Uh, it was the B side to Add Some Music in 1970....


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jonas on February 04, 2006, 06:35:54 AM
Personally, I think Brian playing it ("Susie Cincinnati") on the piano solo sounds a lot better than the produced version. I love how Brian's voice slips into his '80s' voice at times. Also, its the first time I ever heard Brian curse, I think :p



Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: c-man on February 04, 2006, 07:38:34 AM
"Patty Cake" was reportedly written on Brian's trip to the NYC zoo after Murry died, in '73.
Which, if true, means it couldn't have been demoed in Holland in '72.

Unless the dope Brian was taking in Holland transported him psychically a year into the future...

C-Man


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 04, 2006, 07:58:54 AM
"Patty Cake" was reportedly written on Brian's trip to the NYC zoo after Murry died, in '73.
Which, if true, means it couldn't have been demoed in Holland in '72.



C-Man

Yes, I knew that.  When the song "Little Child" (I didn't know the title until this thread) was played on one of the documentaries, it was identified (incorrectly on this board in the recent past) as "Patty Cake", the confusion set in.

However, that raises the question, has anybody ever heard "Patty Cake"?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jason on February 04, 2006, 09:06:38 AM
Personally, I think Brian playing it ("Susie Cincinnati") on the piano solo sounds a lot better than the produced version. I love how Brian's voice slips into his '80s' voice at times. Also, its the first time I ever heard Brian curse, I think :p



"Let's go motherfucker!" times about fifteen = Brian Wilson in "Drip Drop"


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2006, 10:17:48 AM
Ummmmm... I've listened with a spatializer plugged into the WinAmp, and I don't think it's Brian.

Sounds more like Alan to me.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2006, 10:23:37 AM
Listened again - I'm 85% sure that's Alan.

BTW, before I cranked up the spatializer, i couldn't hear very much of anything.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: king of anglia on February 04, 2006, 11:22:13 AM
Well it's definitely Brian on the piano.
It's Brian singing. I think the tape is sped up almost a semitone. You can even hear him smoking a cigarette.
That's a lovely little song.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Chris Brown on February 04, 2006, 11:27:08 AM
I listened again and it still sounds like Brian to me...the falsetto parts give it away I think. 


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 04, 2006, 11:47:25 AM
The reason it sounds like Brian to me is because he sings a phrase or two, stops playing, sings a phrase, stops. You wish he would just play the whole song through without stopping! Brian still does that today when he's playing an impromtu song for somebody.

Makes me wonder if Brian had something to do with the writing of "Susie Cincinnati".

By the way, who is saying, "Ah, how are you all" at the very end?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Don't Back Down on February 04, 2006, 11:52:06 AM
By the way, who is saying, "Ah, how are you all" at the very end?

At the end it sort of sounds like Dennis to me but I'm not positive.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2006, 12:05:56 PM
Listened again... and now I'm convinced it's Alan. Why is he stopping & starting the first tune ? Like he says " "forgot the darn song". And if it IS sped up (which i don't believe), then the talking voice would be way too low for Brian. Plus, makes sense for Alan to be playing his own song.



Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 12:13:15 PM
Let's be honest, the B-side to Add Some Music is as good as unreleased.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 04, 2006, 12:17:55 PM
Why is he stopping & starting the first tune ? Like he says " "forgot the darn song".

That was kind of my point - that Brian forgets how songs go. I just didn't want to say it.

Anyway, if it wasn't Brian, this recording also fooled the producers of the documentary that aired it, because they play it while showing and talking about Brian.

Also, does anybody think the beginning of "Susie Cincinnati" that somebody is playing on the piano sounds like "Night Time" from BW 88?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: king of anglia on February 04, 2006, 12:20:44 PM
Yes but the piano is not in tune with standard tuning. The song on the tape is somewhere below Ab minor, but should be in G minor I think. The piano playing style is totally Brian's. The voice is unmistakebly Brian Wilson's. He keeps stopping and starting becuase that's what he always does, just like the Its Over Now demo.
I don't know about the Susie Cincinatti demo, but the first song is definitely Brian singing. It sounds like a BW song as well, the chords are completely BW esque, the lyrics too.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jason on February 04, 2006, 12:22:37 PM
Seriously, we need a double disc set of Brian's home recordings. That is, if they can find enough material. Elvis P. had one, Brian sure can have one.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 12:32:18 PM
I could see how it could sound like Al in places.  Isn't Susie in F# on the record?  That would actually make this recording 4 semitones flat, if Brian is playing it in the same key it was recorded in.

I think you're overthinking it, Andrew. 


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 04, 2006, 12:33:35 PM
Screw that! We need a box set! I'd freaking buy it.

Sorry, Andrew...it's Brian. It sounds too much like his singing on Awake, and pretty much everything else he sang around that time frame. The phrasing, the whiny falsetto, the timbre of his voice when he sings the lower parts...it's Brian. Amen to those who pointed out that he sounds very "inbetween" the young Brian and the gruff Brian. Sounds reminiscent of the Love You demos too.

As for the Susie Cincinatti part, might be Al.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jason on February 04, 2006, 12:35:41 PM
Great to see this recording leak out a little more openly. Kudos to the anonymous benefactor.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2006, 01:08:26 PM
Screw that! We need a box set! I'd freaking buy it.

Sorry, Andrew...it's Brian. It sounds too much like his singing on Awake, and pretty much everything else he sang around that time frame. The phrasing, the whiny falsetto, the timbre of his voice when he sings the lower parts...it's Brian. Amen to those who pointed out that he sounds very "inbetween" the young Brian and the gruff Brian. Sounds reminiscent of the Love You demos too.

As for the Susie Cincinatti part, might be Al.

In a friendly spirit of discussion...

1. It sounds nothing like Brian on "Awake" - there he's close to adenoidal (allowing for the triple-tracking), here it's just high.

2. If you even partially concede that "SC" might be Al, then according to everyone else's ears, so is the first song. The speaking voice is Alan - it's got his resonance and edge. Brian back then was softly spoken.

3. How many of you have listened with the spatializer plug in ? It makes everything approx 1000% clearer.

4. Dan asked " It also has Brian doing "Susie Cincinnati".  Now why he would be doing this a few years after it was recorded and put on the "B" side of a single?  In fact, why would he be doing it all since it was supposedly an Al Jardine song?"

How about, because it's Alan singing his own song ? Sometimes, the obvious answer is the correct answer.

I feel this one is going to run and run...   ;D


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jonas on February 04, 2006, 01:16:30 PM
Screw that! We need a box set! I'd freaking buy it.

Sorry, Andrew...it's Brian. It sounds too much like his singing on Awake, and pretty much everything else he sang around that time frame. The phrasing, the whiny falsetto, the timbre of his voice when he sings the lower parts...it's Brian. Amen to those who pointed out that he sounds very "inbetween" the young Brian and the gruff Brian. Sounds reminiscent of the Love You demos too.

As for the Susie Cincinatti part, might be Al.

In a friendly spirit of discussion...

1. It sounds nothing like Brian on "Awake" - there he's close to adenoidal (allowing for the triple-tracking), here it's just high.

2. If you even partially concede that "SC" might be Al, then according to everyone else's ears, so is the first song. The speaking voice is Alan - it's got his resonance and edge. Brian back then was softly spoken.

3. How many of you have listened with the spatializer plug in ? It makes everything approx 1000% clearer.


The same way you hear Alan's 'resonance and edge' is how I hear Brian's 'twang and slur'. Alan speaks very clearly, to this day...it can't be him on that tape. 1:40 - 'and the children could fly, thered be no need for birds' - that sounds too much like Brian and nothing like Alan.  'could fly' sounds like Brian on the 2004 SMiLE, almost.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2006, 01:26:04 PM
Could be... except that the 2004 voice of Brian is the product of some 30 years of smoking, snorting coke and self-medicating himself nearly out of existence (not to mention Landy pumpiing him full of thorazine and uppers). Saying it's Brian in 1972 by comparing it with his 2004 voice is a spurious comparison, to say the least.

Remember how a whole mess of us used to think it was Brian singing the intro to the original "Loop De Loop" ? Better researchers that I, those with far better acces to tapes, have observed how Alan can sound very much like Brian.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 01:26:42 PM
Quote
3. How many of you have listened with the spatializer plug in ? It makes everything approx 1000% clearer.

What would a spatializer do to what is essentially a mono recording?

Quote
Dan asked " It also has Brian doing "Susie Cincinnati".  Now why he would be doing this a few years after it was recorded and put on the "B" side of a single?  In fact, why would he be doing it all since it was supposedly an Al Jardine song?"

Because he liked the song? 


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 01:27:40 PM
Quote
Remember how a whole mess of us used to think it was Brian singing the intro to the original "Loop De Loop" ? Better researchers that I, those with far better acces to tapes, have observed how Alan can sound very much like Brian.

Loop de Loop always sounded like Al to me.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 04, 2006, 01:29:44 PM
I never bought into Brian singing LDL. I can tell the difference between Al and Brian. This time, it's Brian. The note that does it for me is when he sings the lower "no need for Birds", (almost "bir-rirds") and his voice wavers a bit. Brian's voice always did that, at least from Wild Honey on. Al's voice was always, for lack of a better term, "straighter".

edit...have you heard the "fuller" version? Thanks to the person who sent it to me ;)


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
I think the best evidence that it's Brian is the Piano.  Whoever is singing is clearly also playing piano, and the piano is being played by Brian.  The voicings the player is choosing across chord changes, the rhythmic accents on the bass notes, is so much in the Brian Wilson idiom that it has to be the man himself.  I wasn't aware that Al even really played piano that much.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 01:33:59 PM
Quote
Al's voice was always, for lack of a better term, "straighter".

Well, that I disagree with.  Brian, Carl and Al all started allowing vibrato to creep into their voices after the collapse of Smile.  Mike too, really.  But I think Al's vibrato became the most pronounced and consistent from song to song.  I think in this case, it's just Brian stuggling to hit the low note, not because it's that low, but because he hadn't been down there for awhile, rather than a stylistic concern.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2006, 01:34:44 PM
Quote
3. How many of you have listened with the spatializer plug in ? It makes everything approx 1000% clearer.

What would a spatializer do to what is essentially a mono recording?

Please forgive the lack of technical terminology... but besically it makes it louder and clearer. Without the spatializer, it's a murky mess bordering the threshold of audibility. With, it's granted a tad echoic, but about three times louder as much clearer.

To my ears, anyway.  :)



Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2006, 01:36:39 PM
Ah, I love the smell of burning issues in the evening.  8)


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 01:38:40 PM
If we're feeling frisky, we could always ask Alan Boyd to draw Alan Jardine's attention to the recording, or play it for him to verify the singer(s).


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andreas on February 04, 2006, 02:47:47 PM
99% Brian singing.  The point is, the singer is the same person as the piano player. And the talking sounds very Brian-like, especially when he says "forgot the darn song".

I listened to a mono fold-down of the thing; the only thing that makes it listenable. There is a second voice talking near the middle of the clip...is that Al?

I am not so sure about Susie Cincinnati...


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 04, 2006, 03:24:28 PM
If that was Al...damn, why didn't he sing in that voice more often!

Isn't it amazing how similar the Beach Boys' voices sounded in the 1968-1973 time frame. I mean, you can listen to a track over and over, and pick it apart, and study it - and still not be able to tell who you're listening to.

OK, let the debate continue...


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Mark H. on February 04, 2006, 03:31:44 PM
Sounds like classic BW piano to my ears.  The quality inhibits the vocal a bit....but it really does NOT sound like AL.  I'll side with those who feel this is Brian.  The talking voice resembles Brian at that time....I heard a telephone interview with Brian somewhere done in late fall 74 that sounds like this...speaking voice wise.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Mitchell on February 04, 2006, 03:55:56 PM
Sounds like Brian to me. Actually, it reminds me of the SOT 18 stuff.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Mark H. on February 04, 2006, 05:49:21 PM
How do we know this is from Holland?  Is that an educated guess....is it on a reel of stuff from the album of the same name?  Did I miss something on the track that indicated it was recorded in Holland?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 06:00:21 PM
Quote
(Here's the intro to the tape from the website...)


When Brian Wilson and the other Beach Boys ,recorded Holland in
Holland, I lent Brian a small UHER reel to reel tape recorder, so he
could have something for ideas at home...
when i got it back, when he left for the usa again, it still had some
music and parts of a song on a tape.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Mark H. on February 04, 2006, 06:59:00 PM
Who is I...? 


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Old Rake on February 04, 2006, 07:11:24 PM
I'm gonna agree with Josh and Andreas here and say that it is unequivocally Brian's piano playing. The style is so much like him from the way the left hand moves to the poundy right hand to -- well, its HIM. I'd know his playing in a heartbeat. I'd bet a dollar the whole thing is him, too.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 04, 2006, 07:26:55 PM
Quote
Who is I...?

Hans.  Some guy.  We just have to trust him, I guess.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: andy on February 04, 2006, 07:31:10 PM
I think Brian's voice is pretty smooth in this demo; a lot closer to early 70s Brian than late 70s Brian, imo.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Dan Lega on February 04, 2006, 08:38:52 PM
I'm gonna stick with my original stance that's it Brian singing both songs.  The first song sounds exactly like Brian and exactly NOT like Alan.  The second is admittedly a little lower fidelity on the vocals, so I can't be as sure about who is singing it, but still, I would put a lot of money on it being Brian's voice, too.


Also, I know only one person said it so far, but "Little Child (Daddy Dear)" is obviously NOT a Brian written song.  If it was a Brian song then we wouldn't have the lyrics and other info on the song that I put in the very first post with the links.  Please read that first post again and think about editing your original post so that other people don't start thinking that Brian wrote the song. 

Love and merci,   Dan Lega


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Surfer Joe on February 04, 2006, 08:44:17 PM
First, and most importantly, what a beautiful song.

Incidentally, sounds a little more like the "When A Man Needs A Woman" guy than the "Lady Lynda" guy.



Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Dan Lega on February 04, 2006, 08:46:46 PM
I just went back to the website where the original download is and I noticed that it said the song you download will disappear from your computer in 30 days.  Is this true?  If so, how does it happen?

Love and merci,   Dan Lega


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 04, 2006, 08:54:25 PM
If we're feeling frisky, we could always ask Alan Boyd to draw Alan Jardine's attention to the recording, or play it for him to verify the singer(s).

Excellent idea.  I'll do that later today.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 04, 2006, 08:56:20 PM
Do it!!!


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Surfer Joe on February 04, 2006, 09:39:55 PM
Here's a lengthy sbippet of Wes Montgomery playing the song.  Very nice, and not drenched in strings by Don Sebesky:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002NDAD/sr=1-21/qid=1139117820/ref=sr_1_21/102-9172633-8540964?%5Fencoding=UTF8


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: HeyJude on February 04, 2006, 11:18:58 PM
Well, I don't know if anybody needs another opinion, but here's mine:

I'm happy to be the contrarian, and in fact, it's fun to challenge a widespread assumption sometimes. However, in the case of this recording, I'm about 99% sure it's Brian Wilson singing whatever that first ditty is, and about 98% sure it's Brian Wilson singing the little bit of "Susie Cincinnatti." (I'm only 1% less sure because there appears to be a break in the tape at that point, and the voice is not as loud).

As for why Brian would be singing a song Al wrote, I think the answer is potentially quite simple. I'm not even convinced Brian helped Al write it. I think Brian might have just been noodling around with the song. I remember hearing a story about somebody watching Brian during a soundcheck prior to a show on the 2000 "Pet Sounds" tour, and somebody said that out of nowhere, Brian bursted into singing "Lady Lynda" for a moment!

Or, perhaps this tape is not a "home" tape but perhaps was recorded in or near a studio rehearsal or actual session. Perhaps they were considering re-recording "Susie..." for the album, and Brian was actually interested for a time in participating in such a session.

Interestingly, it sounds as though there is a second break in the tape a few seconds before the end of this mp3 file. Certainly, even if there was only a small amount of material still on the tape, there might be something else on the original tape that is not on this mp3 file. Do we have any way of knowing for sure that this clip of less than 4 minutes is everything that was found on that tape?

I'd also say that, contrary to what some others are hearing, I think the fidelity of the recording is pretty good for a circa 1972-73 home-style recording. The problem is that this mp3 only has sound in one channel. I don't think we're missing any sonic information, as the recording was probably made in mono, or even if in stereo, it wasn't a line recording. It was probably done with a portable mic, or two if done in stereo. Either way, there wouldn't have been much separation even if it was done in stereo. The mp3 sounds bad because you're getting half the volume of the performance and twice the volume of hiss. I stuck it in a nearly 10-year old editing program and just deleted the left channel and copied and pasted the right channel onto the left channel, and it sounds just fine. Certainly quite listenable for this type of recording. No extra tweaking needed.

Back to the voice: In order for me to believe the voice could be Al, I would have to be convinced of at least one of two things: The voice doesn't sound enough like Brian, and/or the voice does sound enough like Al. I don't hear either of these things. The voice sounds quite like Brian, both in speaking voice and the timber of his voice at all times. It doesn't sound much like Al, although I think a better case could be made for it being Al by suggesting that it's Al sounding VERY much like Brian, as opposed to arguing that it doesn't sound like Brian.

And finally, I have to say that while any such recording is of historic interest and it is indeed fun to debate what the recording is, I don't otherwise find the song or performance particularly interesting. It sounds like Brian trying to remember a couple of songs and stumbling his way through both.

Even the home recording of the "Mount Vernon and Fairway" that is around is more interesting than this recording.

Now, if we can hear that instrumental demo of "'Til I Die", that would be something.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: XY on February 04, 2006, 11:32:52 PM
Hmmm... Maybe it's from the 1969 Brian/Al piano session where they also recorded "Back Home"...?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andreas on February 05, 2006, 01:13:14 AM
Here is a more listenable mono fold-down of the clip: http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=05OU7PL5ZWGI409L6I7ZTIZZHM


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Matinee Idyll on February 05, 2006, 02:40:29 AM
There be only one fella I known says 'darn';

(http://www.christianfurr.com/lookylikey/images/al%20jardine.jpg)

It's gosh-darn Alan Jardine!


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jaco on February 05, 2006, 07:09:41 AM
I'm for 100% sure the pianoplayer is not Al, but Brian. (Old Rake said it perfect)
I've seen Alan himself try to play piano in a video and I immediatly heard he couldn't, he's into a few normal chords on piano, I don't believe he knows stuff like 5 part jazz chords as Brian does.

The voice could be easily done Al, cause he's a GREAT singer, but I don't believe that either, I believe the pianist is also the singer.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 05, 2006, 09:29:32 AM
Two points:

One, unless the singer has mastered the arcane art of whistling while he sings(and, now I come to think of it, is talking to himself), there's more than one person present.

Two, this is what the original blog said (and still says): "When Brian Wilson and the other Beach Boys ,recorded Holland in Holland, I lent Brian a small UHER reel to reel tape recorder, so he could have something for ideas at home... when i got it back, when he left for the usa again, it still had some music and parts of a song on a tape." I'm not denying for a moment that Brian was handed the recorded and handed it back, but this is no proof that he alone used it.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 05, 2006, 09:40:06 AM
Andrew, skepticism is certainly a core tenet of good scholarship, but what have you to say about the piano playing?  Has your research turned up any evidence of Al being a skilled pianist, not only in his own right, but also in the Brian Wilson idiom?  Surely you don't think that (however many people are present, obviously there's at least two) the piano is being played by a seperate person from the vocalist for "Little Child"? 


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 05, 2006, 09:54:25 AM
When I can think up a reasonable rebuttal, I'll get back to you on that.  ;D


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: HeyJude on February 05, 2006, 11:29:55 AM
If this indeed is the same recording excerpted in the A&E Biography documentary (it sounds similar to me, but I probably haven't watched the A&E doc for several years), one would think the compilers of the documentary would have made some attempt to find evidence that the performance is Brian's. Perhaps they even asked him, or had Leaf authenticate it with Brian.

I certainly don't think that any such authentication process would have happened for sure, nor do I believe it would have proven anything 100% positive. But it's another bit of evidence to take into account. That would be pretty funny if a BW A&E Biography had used a recording of Al Jardine to make some sort of reference to Brian's lost years of brilliant but lost compositions.

I still go back to the fact that, to me, it just sounds too much like Brian. If the quality of the recording was worse, I'd be more open to it possibly being Al. I'm usually much more apt to believe something that doesn't immediately seem like the right answer. But in this case, what I'm hearing doesn't give much room to consider that it's Al. I've made these mistakes before, though. I originally thought the outtake "Out in the Country" had Bruce on vocals. But, once I realized the tape was simply running too fast, I realized it was Al. I also picked up on some of Al's vocal inflections.

But I don't hear any of this on the Holland tape. As I said before, a stronger argument could be made that the tape sounds nothing like Al, and it's Al just sounding very much like Brian. Al has indeed sounded like Brian on some recordings from time to time, and in some cases it's quite amazing. But I've never heard any recording of this sort where we can hear singing and speaking voice where one BB sounds like another for nearly four minutes without any indication of who the actual BB is. That is, if this recording is Al, then he never gives a single hint in the recording vocally that it's him (Al). This would have to be the all time greatest Brian impersonation ever. Or, the tape is wildly off speed and a speed correction could reveal something interesting, which I wouldn't completely rule out.

I would also suggest, if anybody tries to alter the recording, that it works better doubling up the right channel as opposed to folding down both channels to mono. If you just fold it down, you're still overlaying the 100% hiss, 0% music of the left channel onto the right channel. If you double up the right channel, you get twice the volume and half of the hiss without losing any sonic information. (Interestingly, there is information on the left channel for the last few seconds of the file).


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Dan Lega on February 05, 2006, 01:02:40 PM
Andrew, listen to Brian doing the Fairy Tale music on "Get The Boot" through your spatializer.  If you come back and tell us that sounds like Al Jardine, too, then we'll have our answer.   ;)


PS -- You don't need to hear the extraneous whistling to know that there are at least two people in the room.  Brian is obviously playing the song for someone and even comes right out and asks the other person(s) what they think of it.


Love and merci,   Dan Lega


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: forgetemarie on February 05, 2006, 03:51:29 PM
I vote for Brian.  It just sounds like him.  And yeah, I know Al could sound a great deal like Brian, but it sounds like Brian to me.  I love the line about "if children had wings, we wouldn't need birds."  That's sooo Brian.  And yes, the speaking voice is just like the one heard on the Jim Pewter interview tapes from 1974.  It makes me sad to hear that Brian was a cogent, lucid person in those days, even in spite of it being at the supposed height of his illness, and sounded way better than he has the past decade and a half or so.  Maybe a case of the cure being as worse or at least as bad as the disease.

There are boots of John Lennon singing "Uncle Albert" and "She's a Woman" at his solo sessions, post-Beatles.  If John can sing Paul songs just for fun, why not Brian singing Al songs?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jonas on February 05, 2006, 04:25:26 PM
I would also suggest, if anybody tries to alter the recording, that it works better doubling up the right channel as opposed to folding down both channels to mono. If you just fold it down, you're still overlaying the 100% hiss, 0% music of the left channel onto the right channel. If you double up the right channel, you get twice the volume and half of the hiss without losing any sonic information. (Interestingly, there is information on the left channel for the last few seconds of the file).

The version I gave out is the right side only, so the hiss from the left channel is not included. As for the 2nd person in the tapes, sounds like a woman to me, my assumption is that Brian is showing the tunes to Marilyn...


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: harveyw on February 05, 2006, 05:15:21 PM
Definitely the same recording as the one that appears in the A&E biography. But how was it included in that show if the tape is in the hands of a private collector who hasn't listened to it for 30+ years? Most odd.

I have nothing to contribute to the Al/Brian discussion: piano playing sounds like Brian (maybe it's Al playing Brian's piano? Maybe it's the *sound* of the piano that makes it sound like Brian's playing. And the playing here is pretty rudimentary, so it could be Al); some of the speech definitely sounds like Al to me ("forgot the darn song"), but at other times it sounds like Brian (compare "then it goes" to the same phrase as it appears on the box set version of "Can't Wait Too Long"). But it's clearly the same person singing as is playing. What i'm saying is...I don't know. I eagerly await Al's reaction to the topic.

In case anyone hasn't posted a link to the guy's website, here 'tis:
http://walloftape.blogspot.com/
Just downloading that Dion show now....


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 05, 2006, 07:54:09 PM
Well, I think the other person *is* Al, but Brian singing. It also sounds like he's a bit stoned, which would automatically exlude Jardine right there.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 05, 2006, 08:01:18 PM
In trying to determine if it was Brian or Al singing "Little Child", I've listened to the song about 57 times now. So, like most Brian Wilson-related songs, I've come to really like the song. The question is, why didn't they record it? Or did they?

"All Dressed Up For School", "Lazy Lizzie", "Hey, Little Tomboy", "Roller Skating Child", "I Want To Pick You Up", and now "Little Child". Is that more evidence that it is Brian?  Just kidding...   


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Shane on February 05, 2006, 11:20:44 PM
I must remark, though, just how *good* of shape Brian's voice appears to be on this tape.  He sings in falsetto throughout the songs, and it doesn't sound nearly as nasal as the Brian voice of circa 1971.  I would disagree, though, about the Jim Pewter interview.  To my ears, Brian's speaking voice sounds like the Brian of old on this tape....but on the Pewter interview, he sounds more like the late 1970's Brian...a bit of a gravely voice.  When I first heard that tape, I thought it was MUCH later than it actually was...maybe even early 1980s.

Speaking of dates, I was wondering if we could try to narrow down the date of this tape.  When were the Beach Boys actually in Holland?  Just 1972, or were they also there in 1973?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 05, 2006, 11:40:58 PM
Andrew, listen to Brian doing the Fairy Tale music on "Get The Boot" through your spatializer.  If you come back and tell us that sounds like Al Jardine, too, then we'll have our answer. 

Hot damn... why didn't I think of that ?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 05, 2006, 11:42:31 PM
I love the line about "if children had wings, we wouldn't need birds."  That's sooo Brian.

Seeing as Brian didn't write the song, your arguement kinda falls apart right there, wouldn't you agree ?  ;D


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Dan Lega on February 06, 2006, 06:57:28 AM
  I love the line about "if children had wings, we wouldn't need birds."  That's sooo Brian. 


Remember, "Little Child" is NOT a Brian Wilson composition.  It's apparently a traditional French song with new and/or translated English lyrics.  You can find recordings of the song elsewhere.  Here is some more info on the song...



-------------------

Liner Notes

George Winston

"Forest"


Track 7. Mon Enfant (My Child) 3:20
A traditional children’s piece, also recorded as a guitar solo for the
soundtrack SADAKO AND THE THOUSAND PAPER CRANES, with narration by Liv
Ullmann (Dancing Cat Records). Great versions of this song have also
been recorded by guitarist Ralph Towner (DIARY – ECM Records) and by
guitarist Wes Montgomery (TEQUILA – Verve Records, under the title
Little Child, Daddy Dear), with strings arranged by Claus Ogerman.


Then there were these additions to the original liner notes on the web, too...


Track #7 - Mon Enfant (My Child)
New Paragraph: A traditional French piece which also goes by the title The Little Boy and the Old Man. The song was also adapted and given new lyrics by composer Wayne Shanklin in 1954 with the title Little Child (Daddy Dear) - (Wayne Shanklin also composed the song The Big Hurt which was a hit for singer Toni Fisher in 1959. I also recorded this as a guitar solo for the soundtrack SADAKO AND THE THOUSAND PAPER CRANES, with narration by Liv Ullmann. Great instrumental guitar versions of this song have also been recorded by Ralph Towner on his album DIARY, as a guitar solo (ECM records) under the name Mon Enfant and under the same title by guitarist Wes Montgomery on his album TEQUILA, under the name Little Child (Daddy Dear).






-------------------


From the ASCAP website...


LITTLE CHILD (DADDY DEAR) (Title Code: 420047247)
Call the ASCAP Clearance line at: (212) 621-6160.


I called the number and asked who the composer was and they said Wayne Shanklin.


-------------------


 
 
The song "Little Child" can be found on the Verve Records
album "Tequila" by Wes Montgomery.


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Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Mark H. on February 06, 2006, 02:53:53 PM
I'm a skeptic that this is a "Holland" era recording.  Maybe 69 or 70...around Sunflower.  Doesn't look like there is anything to support the date other than the posts on a website.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 06, 2006, 03:37:18 PM
Well, the guy who claims to have given Brian the recorder certainly is a Nederlander, unless he's writing in perfect Dutch just to fake out the Beach Boys fanbase.  Somehow the tape ended up in Holland.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 06, 2006, 08:00:29 PM
I'm a skeptic that this is a "Holland" era recording.  Maybe 69 or 70...around Sunflower.  Doesn't look like there is anything to support the date other than the posts on a website.

...and his voice, which matches his vocals on the Fairy Tale demo.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Mark H. on February 06, 2006, 09:03:45 PM
I'll give a listen to the Fairy Tale demo.  I think it would be interesting to know more about the origin of this tape...and what is "Han's" connection to Brian Wilson.  All in all it's plausable....I'm just a natural cynic.

One thing that occured to me last night when re-listening to this demo.  The piano, the actual instrument, anyone notice anything familier about it's timbre?  Does this sound like a spinet type instrument one would likely find in a rented home in the Netherlands?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: harveyw on February 07, 2006, 02:38:23 AM

One thing that occured to me last night when re-listening to this demo. The piano, the actual instrument, anyone notice anything familier about it's timbre? Does this sound like a spinet type instrument one would likely find in a rented home in the Netherlands?
It sounds like a slightly out-of-tune piano, certainly the kind of instrument you'd find in a rented home in the Netherlands. Alternatively, it also sounds like a piano Brian has tuned to "his ears", which he could have done himself, or had shipped over from  LA with the moogs, console, and all the other "Holland" equipment.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Toby on February 07, 2006, 04:55:12 AM
I'm more than likely the person who first brought up Patty Cake in relation to the snippet in the Brian bio documentary. It now turns out that that snippet is not Patty Cake, which is strange, because that was the belief of the documentary's director. I discussed it with my dear Dumb Angel Gazette editor on the phone some three years ago.

Oh well, I guess we all stand corrected.

There IS a song called Patty Cake, though, and written about the gorilla giving birth in a NYC zoo.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on February 07, 2006, 05:04:49 AM
Yeah, but is it any good?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Dan Lega on February 07, 2006, 07:12:11 AM
I found the post below at Susan's board, where I first read about the snippet. 

(PS -- Andrew, how's it going with the Spatializer and "The Fairy Tale" tape?)    :)



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jossainjoku


    Re: Brian in Holland
« Reply #12 on: 05 Feb 2006 »   

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I mailed Hanszun,the owner of the original demo,just to let him know people are talking about this tape.This is a quote from his mail:           

will you tell mikey, thanks
 
and everybody else it was brian, it was on my own recorder.
 
marilyn and i became friends during that time, my wife baked bread for both brian and dennis
and his family, and brian  and marylin even came to my house in amsterdam, where i gave him some albums by the dutch group Supersister which he liked apparently.
 
when you go through the archives of my blog you ll find a christmas card that brian and marilyn
send me...                                                                                                                                                   

Here´s that card if you´re interested: http://hanszunblog.blogspot.com/2005/12/december-1-merry-xmas-from-brian.html#links   


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 07, 2006, 07:15:26 AM
When I can find my copy of the boot, I'll surely tell you.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jonas on February 07, 2006, 10:23:28 AM
btw, the 'whistling' I think is just leakage from another channel on the tape...I dont think anyone is whistling while Brian is actually playing...

thats what it sounds like to me...


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Dan Lega on February 07, 2006, 12:14:52 PM
     Once again, from Susan's board comes correspondence from the gentleman who owns said tape in question...


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jossainjoku


   Re: Brian in Holland
« Reply #21 on: Today at 02:33 PM » 

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I got a mail from Hans.  Here it is:



with a little bit of wonder and amusement i follow the discussions on the groups about my sound snippet.
 
I was  a pop journalist at the time, writing for the dutch magazine OOR (ear).
and in that capacity, anfd thru my friendship with the people at Warner Bros, I met Diane and Marylin, when they did press in Holland for their then released album SPRING.  they gave me a nice Beach Boys record bag, with rhinestones which i still have, and we had a great time, They both signed my SPRING album,
a picture you can find at: http://rapidshare.de/files/12749011/sign2.jpg
--
the album it self is in my archives.
 
after  a while when the boys moved to holland , marylin called me to come over to the house in Laren.  It was there that i first met brian, and when he told me, that he did not have a recorder there, i lent him mine.  the tape was on it, when he came back..
 
 


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: RobtheNobleSurfer on February 07, 2006, 07:12:11 PM
OK, it's obvious that there are 2 people in the room...

it sound like Brian to me. I mean, if it was Al, don't you think that Al would be able to play one of his own compositions without stumbling the chord changes? Even if it was on an unfamilar instrument?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: SurferGirl7 on February 08, 2006, 01:56:39 PM
From my understanding it was Brian and Al sharing the song and then it was Brian playing piano on SC.  ???


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Dan Lega on February 09, 2006, 07:26:57 AM
From my understanding it was Brian and Al sharing the song and then it was Brian playing piano on SC.  ???


Sorry, but I'm confused as to what you mean by this.  Are you talking about the Holland tape or the Beach Boys' recording of the song?  Thanks.

Love and merci,   Dan Lega


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Surfer Joe on February 09, 2006, 12:55:23 PM
Here's another snippet of an instrumental version of the song, given a heavy dramatic treatment:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000000NKL/sr=8-1/qid=1139517920/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-9172633-8540964?%5Fencoding=UTF8


I'd love to hear another vocal version, particularly whichever version caught Brian's ear, but after hearing his great voice on it I imagine any other would be disappointing.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: SurferGirl7 on February 09, 2006, 01:54:04 PM
The demo, Dan.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: MBE on March 23, 2006, 11:39:22 PM
Can somebody here send me this recording every link I tried is broken


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 24, 2006, 07:40:30 AM
I'll do it when I get off work. PM me with your email addy.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: The Shift on January 14, 2009, 06:01:54 AM
A recording of Brian in Holland!  I found a link to this on
Susan's Shut Down board.  It has Brian trying to sing a song
apparently called "Little Child". It also has Brian doing "Susie Cincinnati".

Bump!

How did I miss this when it was first posted back in ’06? I think I might have been on a mountain in New Zealand!



Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Rocky on January 14, 2009, 07:04:14 PM
i've been dying to hear this for myself


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Mahalo on January 14, 2009, 07:42:25 PM
i've been dying to hear this for myself

Me too...is this the snippet from the A&E Bio??? Could anyone possibly send me a PM??


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Fall Breaks on January 15, 2009, 08:37:11 AM
i've been dying to hear this for myself
Same here


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: TdHabib on January 15, 2009, 12:10:44 PM
i've been dying to hear this for myself
Same here
I would love to as well, can anybody PM me?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Rocky on January 15, 2009, 05:45:16 PM
Quote
I would love to as well, can anybody PM me?

me as well>?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Rocky on January 17, 2009, 05:47:13 PM
there is a version of little child (daddy dear) by Spike Jones. Knowing how Brian loves old comedy records, he may have picked it up from there


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Alex on January 20, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
The second song on that demo was "Walkin'" not Susie Cincinatti


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: MBE on January 20, 2009, 02:18:43 PM
Not the one I heard.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: alanjames on November 23, 2009, 08:03:27 PM
Can someone re-post this mp3, please?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: smile-holland on November 23, 2009, 11:30:59 PM
Can someone re-post this mp3, please?


Excuse me?

In light of the rules we try to hold on to overhere, a more subtle way of showing you're interest in this recording would be much appreciated...


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 23, 2009, 11:37:17 PM
+1.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: rogerlancelot on November 24, 2009, 12:24:08 AM
I can't believe I have never heard this myself. Please find it in your heart to send me a little message if you will. Love you!  :listening


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Stegibo on November 24, 2009, 04:59:02 AM
I'd love to hear it too!!


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: alanjames on November 24, 2009, 08:44:00 AM
Can someone re-post this mp3, please?


Excuse me?

In light of the rules we try to hold on to overhere, a more subtle way of showing you're interest in this recording would be much appreciated...

Sorry man. I never asked these kind of thing before.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on November 24, 2009, 11:58:59 AM
Reading thru this thread for the first time.  I'm assuming AGD was wrong and it was Brian singing.
As he is prone to do, AGD dropped the subject rather than admit he was wrong.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on November 24, 2009, 12:14:17 PM
Speaking of AGD being wrong, but on a more minor note, I was looking at his sessions page for 1967, and I noticed he wrote that there was a Dennis tune called "Tune #L". Somehow I think it would be more likely a "1", considering that it was prefaced with a pound sign. If one was to sloppily write the number 1 the more proper way on a session sheet or tape or whatever, with a line under it and all, it could easily resemble a L. However, I'm sure AGD has already conducted a thoroughly academic debate with somebody about this, and I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: buddhahat on November 24, 2009, 12:24:53 PM
Aaahgh I just saw this thread and got really excited about a new 70s Brian piano demo and then finally realised that the thread is three years old. And I heard the clip the first time around anyway! Hate it when that happens.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 24, 2009, 01:54:05 PM
Reading thru this thread for the first time.  I'm assuming AGD was wrong and it was Brian singing.
As he is prone to do, AGD dropped the subject rather than admit he was wrong.

Nope, still think it's Alan. Listened to it again, processed it a bit... Alan. Others think it's Brian. Life's like that.  ;D


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 24, 2009, 01:57:18 PM
Speaking of AGD being wrong, but on a more minor note, I was looking at his sessions page for 1967, and I noticed he wrote that there was a Dennis tune called "Tune #L". Somehow I think it would be more likely a "1", considering that it was prefaced with a pound sign. If one was to sloppily write the number 1 the more proper way on a session sheet or tape or whatever, with a line under it and all, it could easily resemble a L. However, I'm sure AGD has already conducted a thoroughly academic debate with somebody about this, and I'm wrong.

It's typed as Tune #L on the AFM contract. Prefaced with a hash - # - and not as pound sign (£).


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 24, 2009, 05:55:54 PM
Here's a novel idea...let's ask Alan! It'd be nice to finally put the debate to rest. I've always thought it was Brian, personally, due to the distinctive wavery "ring" he had in his voice at the time, but considering how adept Jardine was at sounding like him, who knows? :lol


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: MBE on November 24, 2009, 07:38:56 PM
Al may shed some light or even Brian. I will say that they both have taken credit for various things over the years.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 24, 2009, 09:46:51 PM
Here's a novel idea...let's ask Alan! It'd be nice to finally put the debate to rest. I've always thought it was Brian, personally, due to the distinctive wavery "ring" he had in his voice at the time, but considering how adept Jardine was at sounding like him, who knows? :lol


No-one, but no-one, says "goshdarned" like that like Alan !

Back in the day, tried getting a request to Alan to listen - nothing happened.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on November 24, 2009, 10:07:48 PM
Reading thru this thread for the first time.  I'm assuming AGD was wrong and it was Brian singing.
As he is prone to do, AGD dropped the subject rather than admit he was wrong.
Nope, still think it's Alan. Listened to it again, processed it a bit... Alan. Others think it's Brian. Life's like that.  ;D

Just yanking your chain a little bit AGD.  Actually, on a lot of tunes from Wild Honey on thru the 70's, I have a heard time of "is it Al or Brian".

 I haven't heard these but will just wait till BeachBoysCentral.com opens and download it.   Speaking of which,  asked Alan in his thread a while back and he made no comment re: BBC.com


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 24, 2009, 10:19:36 PM
Here's a novel idea...let's ask Alan! It'd be nice to finally put the debate to rest. I've always thought it was Brian, personally, due to the distinctive wavery "ring" he had in his voice at the time, but considering how adept Jardine was at sounding like him, who knows? :lol


No-one, but no-one, says "goshdarned" like that like Alan !

Back in the day, tried getting a request to Alan to listen - nothing happened.

Good point, and good catch.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: MBE on November 24, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
The piano sounds so much like Brian's style though, and the speaking and singing voice are identical to the Fairy Tale thing Brian played for that reporter. Listening to Awake, Won't You Tell Him, etc.  I just think Brian sounded like this at the time. The story about how it was recorded rings true too. Have we found out how it was in the A&E thing and who put it there? Marilyn or Diane also may be helpful about this.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Jonas on November 25, 2009, 03:31:07 AM
At least this debate didn't get ugly like the GOK 2004 (or whatever year it was) debacle...:3d



Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Mr. Cohen on November 25, 2009, 06:07:48 AM
(rolls up sleeves, takes off boxing gloves)

OK, AGD, from Wikipedia:
Quote
In most regions of the United States, the symbol (#) is traditionally called the pound sign, but in others, the number sign.
Now, this is also true:
Quote
"Hash" is a common name for the mark used in the English-speaking world outside North America.
Unfortunately for you, though, the Beach Boys are an AMERICAN band, and as such, American vernacular should be used when discussing all matters related to the BBs. If you want to call the # sign the hash sign, go to a Beatles forum (a UK band), where you can debate forum regulars about when Ringo grew his mustache and the particulars of recording "Wild Honey Pie". A hash sign? I'm incredulous. In America, when say the word 'hash' we just start thinking about breakfast: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_%28food%29.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jason on November 25, 2009, 06:14:47 AM
Breakfast isn't the only thing we think about when we think of hash, but I'm sure some people would rush to eat breakfast after thinking about hash.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 25, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
(rolls up sleeves, takes off boxing gloves)

OK, AGD, from Wikipedia:
Quote
In most regions of the United States, the symbol (#) is traditionally called the pound sign, but in others, the number sign.
Now, this is also true:
Quote
"Hash" is a common name for the mark used in the English-speaking world outside North America.
Unfortunately for you, though, the Beach Boys are an AMERICAN band, and as such, American vernacular should be used when discussing all matters related to the BBs. If you want to call the # sign the hash sign, go to a Beatles forum (a UK band), where you can debate forum regulars about when Ringo grew his mustache and the particulars of recording "Wild Honey Pie". A hash sign? I'm incredulous. In America, when say the word 'hash' we just start thinking about breakfast: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_%28food%29.

Fact remains, on the AFM sheet, it's typed "Tune #L" - not "Tune #1".  ;D


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 25, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
At least this debate didn't get ugly like the GOK 2004 (or whatever year it was) debacle...:3d



Oh sh*t, not again...  :deadhorse


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Jay on November 28, 2009, 12:17:53 AM
Breakfast isn't the only thing we think about when we think of hash, but I'm sure some people would rush to eat breakfast after thinking about hash.
When I hear the word hash, I think about the story my mom told me about taking hash when she was younger, and not knowing or remembering how she got home.  ;D


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 02, 2009, 11:21:25 AM
This is damn confusing. :\

I came here to cast my vote for it being Brian, but after listening several times I really have no clue. Some parts it sounds like its unmistakably Brian. Others, sounds just like Al.

Like someone said, comparing this to the really rough quality clip of Brian performing Mt.Vernon makes it seem more lie it's Brian. Keep in mind the year - there aren't a lot of recordings of Brian from around this time, and his voice could have been starting to change by this point.

Still, it's really, really hard to tell.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: rogerlancelot on December 10, 2009, 12:39:55 AM
After finally hearing it, can anybody identify who did the "master" version? Sounds incredible with what they did to the original rehearsal or whatever you want to call it. I still can't make up my mind who is singing there but I'm pretty sure it's not Ringo.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Jay on December 11, 2009, 06:59:30 PM
After finally hearing it, can anybody identify who did the "master" version? Sounds incredible with what they did to the original rehearsal or whatever you want to call it. I still can't make up my mind who is singing there but I'm pretty sure it's not Ringo.
My vote goes to Tom Waits.  ;)


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: variable2 on December 11, 2009, 09:23:15 PM
you can hear it is brian at 1:41 in.

he's just in an in between voice period.. he's doing the shaky 15 big ones/love you vibrato, but because his voice still has that sweetness to it before he wrecked it, it sounds close to al's sort of folksy vibrato. sounds like he's had a bit of weed smoke in his throat too..

also, during the susie cincinnati part, he plays the wrong chords.. he goes back to Eb7 after Eb7 Ab7 instead of going to Db7.. just sayin..


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: rogerlancelot on December 13, 2009, 12:48:39 PM
I am cool with idea of it being Brian. But I am still trying to identify who was responsible for the "finished" version. I really love it!


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 13, 2009, 01:49:23 PM
"Finished" version?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: rogerlancelot on December 13, 2009, 05:25:49 PM
"Finished" version?

Somebody fleshed it out with a whole band and it sounds very cool. I wish I knew who it was.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Curtis Leon on August 16, 2010, 02:01:34 PM
Anyone have any idea on how to listen to this now? Youtube, perhaps?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: buddhahat on August 18, 2010, 06:32:07 AM
Ok so a trawl through my BB related mp3 material is not unearthing this Little Child/Daddy dear demo, although I do remember hearing it and it was quite pretty. I've made a nice little compilation of Brian's 70s piano demos (actually it's just the Love You ones with I'm Beggin You and the cocaine sessions tacked on) and I'm wondering if the demo being discussed would fit really well? Perhaps iMmensely well??!! Or is it on youtube cos I've tried 1000 different phrasing combinations to no avail?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Curtis Leon on August 19, 2010, 03:33:35 AM
I... honestly can't tell. And this is after I've fiddled with it for the umpteenth time in Audacity. Parts of it sound like Brian and parts of it sound like Al. Could it be, that they're BOTH singing on the tape?

I will say, that if it's Brian, then he seems very youthful in the vocal department, still. 1975 WAS the big year in vocal decline, I suppose... He sounds perfectly fine in "California", and the tag to "Funky Pretty". I can barely hear him in "Steamboat", too. The Pied Piper section has him in rather horrible voice, though. He almost sounds like Carl, to be honest. Very soulful voice. I could listen to that section for ages, though.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: buddhahat on August 19, 2010, 04:19:00 AM
For my money little bits of it sound undoubtably Brian. The piano playing for one - the way he hits the bass notes make it sound very similar to his other piano demos. The falsetto - surely that's Brian's falsetto? Compare it to the high notes at the end of the I'm Beggin You Please demo - identical to my ears. Then the way he talks the lines "Yes the world's really round ..." in a slightly hammy, croony voice reminds me very much of how he croons "The houses they look so tiny, the cars look like dots" almost like he's sending the whole thing up.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: buddhahat on August 20, 2010, 01:33:06 PM
I really am falling in love with the song Daddy Dear. I'm a sucker for sickly sweet schmaltz like this! Does anyone know of a definitive version, if such a thing exists? What version would Brian most likely have heard? All I can find is a Danny Kaye version and this - this sounds the most like Brian's rendition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R2QKmuqkZU


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: buddhahat on January 30, 2017, 05:54:34 AM
I raised this old thread in the AGD topic but am loathed to contribute further to the never-ending Doe Show so will post here instead (thanks for your follow up post, Rab).

I'm a sucker for 70s Brian piano demos and this one is one of my favourites. What a lovely BB's production this would have made. A little corny, granted, but if anyone manages to elevate schmaltz to the sublime, it's these guys.

Brian's delivery here is very similar to the 1975 In The Back Of My Mind demo, imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAGARvThO58


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on January 30, 2017, 08:55:25 AM
Its BW! :hat


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Jay on January 30, 2017, 12:01:03 PM
Al.  ;D


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: rab2591 on January 30, 2017, 12:26:10 PM
The "Ohh sh*t" at the beginning of this track (https://youtu.be/NAGARvThO58?t=12) is nearly identical to that one in the 'Don't Talk' sessions (https://youtu.be/WIETb-6n1M8?t=130) where Brian says "Ohh sh*t, no man, I mean shoot."

And that part around :43 where the person singing sounds like BW88 era Brian. The piano sounds just like Brian's playing, and the vocals (for a demo) are too in sync with the playing to be someone else's voice singing over Brian's playing. I still vote Brian ;D


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on January 30, 2017, 12:56:33 PM
There are spots where it sounds just like Brian, and others where it sounds just like Al. Are there two voices on this? And this is the incorrect speed, yes?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: 18thofMay on January 30, 2017, 03:11:45 PM
Brian


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: bossaroo on January 30, 2017, 04:26:41 PM
it's Brian without a doubt.

anyone who questions this fact is just not the Beach Boy fan the rest of us are. sorry  :p


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: RONDEMON on January 31, 2017, 06:09:52 AM
Wow. That is SO Brian Wilson. Did we find out if it's an original?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: HeyJude on January 31, 2017, 06:56:27 AM
I probably have a long post buried somewhere back in this thread from years ago, but my takeaway from the recording was/is that it's interesting because it *is* so debatable.

Al and Brian could sound uncannily like each other at times, especially in the mid 60s to 1970-ish timeframe. At his most uncanny, I'd say Al could sound more like Brian than Brian's brothers. I've met numerous people who thought for decades that it was Brian, not Al, singing all the non-Mike parts on "I Know There's an Answer."

I think the recording is Brian most likely (or some sort of weird situation where they're both on it); it requires less instances of needing Brian to sound a little bit like Al than it does instances of requiring Al to sound like Brian.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on January 31, 2017, 11:01:29 AM
This is the incorrect speed, right?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Jay on January 31, 2017, 11:34:23 AM
I've come to believe that it's actually both Brian and Al trading lines on Daddy Dear. I think perhaps it's a case where they were both sitting around a piano, and one was teaching the song to the other, and said person started singing once they became familiar with the words and melody.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: buddhahat on January 31, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
This is undoubtedly Brian. Go and listen to the '75 In The Back Of My Mind demo, then this, then tell me whether you still think it's Al!

I don't hear any trading of lines personally. The only other person I hear on the tape is Bruce reacting to Brian demoing this.

Wow. That is SO Brian Wilson. Did we find out if it's an original?

Do you mean the first song? It's 'Little Bird - Daddy Dear' apparently composed in the 30s by Cab Calloway:

https://youtu.be/b85EPad0yPw

I wonder if Brian heard this version from the Lawrence Welk show:

https://youtu.be/-R2QKmuqkZU


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 31, 2017, 01:52:56 PM
I've come to believe that it's actually both Brian and Al trading lines on Daddy Dear. I think perhaps it's a case where they were both sitting around a piano, and one was teaching the song to the other, and said person started singing once they became familiar with the words and melody.

Same here. You hear  a second voice kind of singing along part of the way through.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: rab2591 on January 31, 2017, 01:53:42 PM
Thanks for the links Buddhahat!

Absolutely beautiful song...No wonder Brian was tinkering with it! I'd love for this community to assemble a list of songs that Brian was interested in throughout the years. A playlist for both Spotify and Apple Music (and Youtube) would be great. It would probably help our understanding for his evolution of musical ideas throughout the years (especially the time between Smiley Smile and Love You).


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: buddhahat on January 31, 2017, 02:00:46 PM
Thanks for the links Buddhahat! Absolutely beautiful song...No wonder Brian was tinkering with it!

You're welcome! It is a beautiful song and I would have loved to hear how Brian might've produced this, at any point in his career.

I'd love for this community to assemble a list of songs that Brian was interested in throughout the years. A playlist for both Spotify and Apple Music (and Youtube) would be great. It would probably help our understanding for his evolution of musical ideas throughout the years (especially the time between Smiley Smile and Love You).

Good idea - get on it!


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: tpesky on January 31, 2017, 02:23:58 PM
If the demo was in Holland, it can't be Bruce he was never there. Likely Brian and Al.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on January 31, 2017, 02:26:29 PM
Put this on the damn bedroom tapes! ;D


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: buddhahat on February 01, 2017, 02:06:01 AM
If the demo was in Holland, it can't be Bruce he was never there. Likely Brian and Al.

Fair point. That "mmm" at 1.50 sure sounds like Bruce to me though.

I've listened again and I'm struggling to hear any trading or doubling of lines. Somebody else occasionally whistles but that's the only secondary input I can hear.

Put this on the damn bedroom tapes! ;D

Amen!


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on February 07, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
It is Brian.  :bw


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: monkeytree5 on February 15, 2017, 02:10:08 PM
Wow there are hardcore BB fans than think this is Alan rather than Brian?
It sounds exactly like Brian, and like Shortenin' Bread, who other than Brian would be obsessed with an inconsequential obscure tune such as Daddy Dear in the early 70s?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: tpesky on February 15, 2017, 05:15:13 PM
As well as obsessed with a B side his friend wrote 4 years earlier?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: HeyJude on February 16, 2017, 09:03:27 AM
Wow there are hardcore BB fans than think this is Alan rather than Brian?
It sounds exactly like Brian, and like Shortenin' Bread, who other than Brian would be obsessed with an inconsequential obscure tune such as Daddy Dear in the early 70s?

Is there any evidence Brian was "obsessed" with a song of which we have one single sketchy home recording?

Al wasn't exactly going mainstream by riffing on stuff like "Raspberries, Strawberries" by the Kingston Trio in that same era.

Whether this tape is Brian or Al, or both, the songs selected and performed on the tape don't scream "Brian" to me at all. If anything, it's hard to argue that Brian doing "Susie Cincinnati" makes at least a *tiny bit* less sense than Al doing it.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: Rocky on December 06, 2022, 02:00:52 PM
Well gang, we now have a HQ version out on the new box set. I was always Team Brian, but I’ll be darned if I haven’t changed my stance. The talking is unmistakably Al to me. I don’t have a physical copy of the set, is there any info given in the liner notes?


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: bossaroo on December 07, 2022, 04:12:18 PM
here's the info given for both songs  ;)

Holland home recording - previously unreleased
lead vocal: Brian
recorded Summer 1972 at Brian Wilson's home in Laren Netherlands


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: 18thofMay on December 07, 2022, 07:08:54 PM
It's Brian 100%. No debate


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland!
Post by: HeyJude on December 08, 2022, 06:22:27 AM
There are one or two spoken lines during that tape where Brian does sound remarkably like Al. I think all of the singing has always been easily believable as Brian. I think a bit of the speaking is what has thrown a lot of people off (in addition to a bit of Al-esque verbiage, and the weird choice of one singing one of Al's songs), to the point of various theories (such as both of them being on the tape and somehow both speaking at the same volume on the tape without talking over each other at all).

My big takeaway from this has always been that, rather than being some sort of pedantic, cranky debate, it's actually a good reminder of how much Al and Brian could sound like each other during the first 10-15 years of their career. Especially remarkable considering they're not related.

I think all of these guys, either just weirdly coincidentally, or because they picked up bits of singing style from each other, could almost all sound like various other members at times. Mike and Al could sound similar in the right circumstances, and even Mike and Brian now and then, especially circa '67.


Title: Re: Rare song -- Brian playing \
Post by: Rocky on January 14, 2023, 11:57:33 PM
There are one or two spoken lines during that tape where Brian does sound remarkably like Al. I think all of the singing has always been easily believable as Brian. I think a bit of the speaking is what has thrown a lot of people off (in addition to a bit of Al-esque verbiage, and the weird choice of one singing one of Al's songs), to the point of various theories (such as both of them being on the tape and somehow both speaking at the same volume on the tape without talking over each other at all).

My big takeaway from this has always been that, rather than being some sort of pedantic, cranky debate, it's actually a good reminder of how much Al and Brian could sound like each other during the first 10-15 years of their career. Especially remarkable considering they're not related.

I think all of these guys, either just weirdly coincidentally, or because they picked up bits of singing style from each other, could almost all sound like various other members at times. Mike and Al could sound similar in the right circumstances, and even Mike and Brian now and then, especially circa '67.

Well said, I had an earth shattering realization a few years ago when I realized several vocals on the ‘Friends’ album were by Al that I had always attributed to Brian.