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Title: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 05:42:15 PM Me personally kiddies I dont think the man is nutz... (could very well be) But I dunno I dont think so........ Whatchoo think?
xoxox suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 27, 2006, 07:27:50 PM Nowhere near being insane.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Jason on January 27, 2006, 07:28:56 PM He has one of dem der brain disorders or sumthin' like that.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 07:41:47 PM bah
I dont thinks so xoxo suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 27, 2006, 07:45:07 PM Insane is a pretty broad term.
I think the guy is an immense talent. He knows he's an immense talent. If he talks to floating bunny rabbits that's fine by me. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 07:50:55 PM no doubt broad term, ppls deffination is also broad.. I just think that someone doesnt think that their house is bugged for no reason..there is something that pushes ppl over the edge.. Ya know. I dont think it was brain damage, seconds, phil spector, or the drugs... there is something larger at work.
. xoxxooxo suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Jason on January 27, 2006, 07:52:10 PM Brian has a mental disorder. Bipolar, it's called. Formerly diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenia by Dr. Landy.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 27, 2006, 08:00:11 PM no doubt broad term, ppls deffination is also broad.. I just think that someone doesnt think that their house is bugged for no reason..there is something that pushes ppl over the edge.. Ya know. I dont think it was brain damage, seconds, phil spector, or the drugs... there is something larger at work. . xoxxooxo suga He was worried for legitimate reason. What Brian Wilson was doing with music was something he felt strongly about. He didn't want it leaking out to the people who can't create ideas themselves. He was also a drug user, he didn't want his family finding out. No insane things there. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 08:19:03 PM Man I gotta say, I think the drugs did him good...( maybe not all of them ) but the acid hell yeah it fucking helped him just like it has helped more ppl then it has harmed. But man I dunno, I guess the thing that sticks out to me is the thinking your house is bugged and sh*t.. Bipolar! I have never met a manic depressive that thinks that ppl are out to get them.... ( Bipolar = mood swings). Now if he is schizo, sure I can see thinking someone is out to get you... But man I betcha he was right on with that statement... I personally beileve, that sure, he was possibly being followed, and beileve that his house was bugged... (not by phil spector) but by someone that didnt want him to succeed.) And sure the lack of support from the beach boys probably played a huge part in that as well.. But I honestly believe that someone was up to no good and fucking with his head.. There is a patteren in history that when someone has something important to say, or do, someone stops them... Either with a bullet or by discrediting them.
xoxo suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: LaurieBiagini on January 27, 2006, 08:28:50 PM I think he has his share of psychological disorders, as well as depression, but he is definitely not insane nor is he nuts.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 27, 2006, 08:30:54 PM The Brian Wilson scene you're describing (mid-SMiLE) period was a happy time in his personal life. He was frolicking around with his best friends, getting high as a Hot Air Balloon, and doing lots of fun things. The vibes were good and the sun was out. Everybody smiled and everybody loved. I disagree in thinking there was a definate "villain" trying to rain in on Brian's parade at this point.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 08:33:42 PM Not even Mike Love? (with his hatless comments)
xoxoxo suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 27, 2006, 08:39:38 PM Mike Love was in no way, shape, or form a villain in Brian's life then.
Mike was an old dear friend, replaced by Brian's new cronies. He was the old songwriting partner, tossed aside. You really think that's cause for him to bug Brian's home? If he did then should he be the insane one and not Brian? Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 08:40:23 PM Man I gotta say I dont think Brian was getting that high...
I mean come one man Sly: way higher Keith Richards: way way way higher John Lennon: way higher Lou Reed: Higher then the sky.... I just think that is a red herring, he got high sure... but he just seems to skiddish to be high like the foremention champions...... I am not arguing that he didnt like his dope.. I just dont think he was as high as ppl makes him out to be..( With his work load dood it would be damn near impossible to be as high as everyone makes him out to be) xoxo suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 08:42:28 PM That was a joke homie, Mike love (not smart enough to bug his house..) He was more a villian then a hero at that point in time
"Stick to the fuckin formula?" hello? what the hell kinda comment is that? (a hatless kind) xoxo suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 27, 2006, 08:44:41 PM If this is going to turn into a "Who got higher?" thread then i'm not even going to bother posting.
While it might be a fantastic experience to take drugs, talking about them is just so low in my mind. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 08:49:16 PM no not all.. I am just stating, that I think ppl overexsaggerate when it comes to Brian that is all I was saying.. I mean the man is a fucking genius.. Amazing and there is a fine line between genius and insanity, but I think that there was something rotten in Denmark dood... I dont think ppl just snap and go outta their minds and go into hiding unless they are pushed over that line man.. I cant say exsactly who or what did it, but I dont think it came from him. (ie. outside forces... be it the government, Mike Love, Phil Spector, The Beatles, or the freaking free masons man.)
xoxox suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 27, 2006, 08:53:35 PM Download the video for "Just" by Radiohead if you can at all.
If you don't like them turn off the sound. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 08:58:30 PM Eh? Radiohead? (woah where that come from) I love radiohead, but goshdarn whats that got to do with dope, insanity, or not wearing a hat???? Plus I am on a dial up Ill be here to next year trying to get that sh*t....
xoxo suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 27, 2006, 09:03:23 PM Well you were giving reason for a man shutting his mind away from the world.
The video for "Just" has a guy laying on the ground. People walk by him but eventually stop and try to get him to explain himself. He says something that isn't supported by the text and you're left to wonder why. Then it shows everyone laying down having heard his reason. Does a person need a reason to shut off? Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 09:15:07 PM No they dont need a reason, but there is usally something, or a slew of things that help to bring to about it..... But there comes a time, when someone can stop and look at themselves, and look at the situation objectively, and see what it was that pushed them over the edge... Again tho just because you are depressed, or on dope, or freakin listening to every lemming around you .... I still have yet to see someone that thinks that they are being spied on man, that sh*t that dont happen with out a reason. ( most people that have said that are probably being spied on..) Outta the blue ppl dont just come to that conclusion.
John Lennon, his phones were tapped, ppl followed him, why is it so outrageous that it was happening to Brian? Man like I said before, if you have a message that the world is supposed to hear someone, or something will find away to f*** it up.. Brian got f***ed up somehow.. But also I think that maybe ppl werent ppl werent supposed to hear that sh*t in the 60s that we need it now in the 2000s more then we did then... And there would be a good exsample of someone being silenced, but somehow finding a way to still get his message out to the world. I guess in a sense that would make Brian a cycle breaker... ( I dunno) I just think there was other sh*t going on that none of us will ever know about, because Brian him damn self doesent know... xoxo suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 09:36:31 PM whether brian is/was insane really is beside the point here...i think suga thinks that brian was MADE insane...that he was influenced to the point of lunacy, which considering everything...smile, the beach boys, the beatles, his new(er) friends, LSD, etc etc etc...its not too surprising that he got out of the scene he was in...its not very farfetched tho that someone would want to sabotage him or the album he was working on, whatever that power may be...there was a lot of sh*t going on at that time...government testing, mind control, leftist ideas, open mindedness, beautiful sh*t...also tho, lots of evil sh*t goin on...so much love and peace must have its equal opposite...yin yang, yes is no and no is yes...hello goodbye...
smIle Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: the captain on January 27, 2006, 09:50:36 PM I've enjoyed the spelling and grammar through this thread. As for the rest, I don't give a f v ck whether Brian's insane. I'm no doctor.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 27, 2006, 09:55:07 PM mang I aint no english professer.... But at least I make an effort to communicate so that others can try and dig my groove..........
xoxo suga Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: LaurieBiagini on January 27, 2006, 09:57:26 PM Hey spelling and grammar doesn't matter on a message board.. Keep on posting, sugarandspice... you bring a fresh new vibe to the board, and that's much appreciated!
Rock-on, girl! ;D Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: monkee knutz on January 27, 2006, 10:12:50 PM Not insane. Just drunk. We're all buttholes to him, but Van Dyke is the biggest butthole in the wor-rold.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: pavlos brenos on January 27, 2006, 10:57:19 PM Suga, it is generally accepted that Brian has schizo-affective disorder which sits somewhere between bi-polar disorder (which itself comes in various forms) and paranoid schizophrenia. Brian's frenetic work-pace, family/business pressures and indiscriminate drug use all combined and acted in synergy in '67 and galvanised pre-existing problems. That's the concise answer to your question!
Try this link: http://bipolar.about.com/cs/psychoticfeatures/a/bl_paranoia.htm Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on January 28, 2006, 01:59:05 PM Brian self-diagnosed :
He just wasn't made for these times. Make what you will of it. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 28, 2006, 02:36:49 PM Luther: Prescriptive grammarian or descriptive, are you? I'm not sure why that reads like Yoda. Well, I know why, but not why I chose to phrase it that way, but more interestingly why I chose to include what could have simply been an inner dialog leading to me rewording the question.
Anyhow, to the topic of the thread, I think sanity is generally over-rated. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: SurferGirl7 on January 28, 2006, 05:27:06 PM In my book there is so such thing as being insane. Eccentric, maybe. But in a good way.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: the captain on January 28, 2006, 05:31:45 PM In my book there is so such thing as being insane. Eccentric, maybe. But in a good way. That strikes me as a pleasant, head-in-the-sand kind of thought. No such thing? Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: SurferGirl7 on January 28, 2006, 05:35:06 PM In my book there is so such thing as being insane. Eccentric, maybe. But in a good way. That strikes me as a pleasant, head-in-the-sand kind of thought. No such thing? You don't burn your face at least :) Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 28, 2006, 05:38:47 PM In my book there is so such thing as being insane. Eccentric, maybe. But in a good way. So a person who flies off the wall and starts on a killing spree with a can opener is perfectly sane? Or just eccentric..in a good way? Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: the captain on January 28, 2006, 05:39:12 PM In Minnesota, in January, that's the least of my worries.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 28, 2006, 05:39:53 PM I love the cold weather. It's the greatest time for fashion also. All those big puffy coats. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: the captain on January 28, 2006, 05:41:35 PM I went three years without wearing a coat, living in Minneapolis the entire time. Fact. Idiotic fact, but fact.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: SurferGirl7 on January 28, 2006, 05:42:21 PM I hate cold weather... one of my friends is going to Hawaii for four weeks and then Arizona. I'm so jealous :-\
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: monkee knutz on January 28, 2006, 06:15:32 PM Stuck in Michigan. It was 50 degrees this fine late January afternoon. Sumptin's wrong with our weather.
Oh, by the way... Brian is insane. Sweet Insanity. The weather's insane, too. A butthole, just like Van Dyke parks. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 28, 2006, 08:17:59 PM 2005 was something like the warmest year since 1898.
Just showing Global Warming and its delightful little changes. It's been really warm where I am all year. Only had one snow storm and it was nothing worth noting. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 28, 2006, 08:20:42 PM Quote In my book there is so such thing as being insane. Eccentric, maybe. But in a good way. Two words: Michael. Jackson. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on January 28, 2006, 08:22:35 PM Brian seems to have done alot of stuff that MJ would approve of.
................ Jungle Gym in doorway. Business meetings in pool. Gym assembled in living room, never to be used properly. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: I. Spaceman on January 28, 2006, 09:44:36 PM Don't forget underage love!
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Ron on January 29, 2006, 04:43:19 AM Personally, I would term Brian as insane. I'm not a doctor, so ultimately it doesn't matter what my personal opinion is in the slightest. Any way you look at it, though, Brian lost the ability to cope with his life, started a long road of self-destructive behavior, isolated himself from his friends and his family, had irrational fears like the previously mentioned bugs in his house... has audible hallucinations, offered his daughter lsd, for periods of time didn't take care of things like personal hygeine, etc. etc.
I'm not beating the guy up but if anybody was insane, Brian Wilson was. Luckily he's pretty much a teddy bear and would never hurt anybody but himself, so it's not that big of a deal. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 29, 2006, 07:36:20 AM As the saying goes, he's much better now
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Aegir on January 30, 2006, 10:24:42 PM In my opinion, Brian is a little off. More so in times past than now.
A paragraph from the Holland promo booklet will always be in my memory: Quote As if things weren't hair-raising enough, there was the ticklish business of Brian. Brian had not budged in seven years, ever since he gave up touring with the band. His hearing is difficult and painful and he is intensely shy - perhaps the more so for having been dubbed "brilliant" or "genius" by various admirers. Any description of him as a homebody or private person would still fall short of the truth. He once retired to his room, somewhere in the rambling Edgar Rice Burroughs house in Bel Air, for six solid months. To further avoid even local travel, he constructed a substantial studio in the living room of this same house (a 30's Gothic affair, right down to the secret panels). With their passion for technological improvement, the group gradually made this studio obsolete by their own standards, and besides, Brian's wife thought it was about time to do some living in the living room. The studio was duly dismantled. Getting Brian to Amsterdam was every bit as touch-and-go as getting Bobby Fischer to Reykjavik. A miasma of false starts and silences. His wife, kids and housekeeper went over first. Twice Brian got as far as the airport and turned back. The third time he appeared to get on the plane. A phone call went through to Amsterdam to confirm it. But three hours after the plane landed there was still no sign of him. A search of the aircraft yielded Brian's ticket and passport, abandoned on his seat. Oblivious to the panic was Brian who had shuffled off the plane and fallen asleep on a couch in the duty-free lounge, where he eventually was found. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Peter Reum on January 31, 2006, 12:48:46 AM I have been following this thread off and on, and I have to ask what we mean by insane? Insanity is a legal judgment, not a clinical judgment. From that standpoint, Brian was adjudicated as needing a financial conservatorship for several years.
The book most therapists use is the DSM-IV TR, and it is mostly a tool we use to help third party payers understand what is being addressed in treatment. There are certainly more than enough labels in that book to keep people busy. Insanity is probably best defined as a social role connoting a type of inability to function according to accepted dominant cultural and social mores. I think that Brian's behavior would probably fit that definition in some domains of his life. But he certainly has shown some qualities that are far sane than most people too. From a medical model, there are several forms of mental illness that would cause one to have trouble dealing with accepted cultural mores. The first would be schizoaffective or type II bipolar disorders. The second would be serious, long term addiction. Both of these fors of mental illness are very debilitating. So, this is not a simple question, and I think it deserves some serious examination. It is not as easy to answer as it first appears. Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: sugarandspice on January 31, 2006, 02:31:18 AM first appear?!?!?!!?
sheeyot mang, what would a good thread be, if it didnt end in a plus and add up to a negative? insane? sh*t man, i think its pretty vague as far as brian is concerned...i love him... i think we all ask ourselves the question.... are we insane? nobody knows but me, nobody knows but me, who am i? nobody else can see JUST YOU AND ME, but who are we? OH MY LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Peter Reum on January 31, 2006, 06:42:20 AM People with mental illness are very loveable...and loving. What ever may be wrong, they are still people first. Labels aside, they are so much more than their illness.
Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: LaurieBiagini on January 31, 2006, 08:34:39 AM People with mental illness are very loveable...and loving. What ever may be wrong, they are still people first. Labels aside, they are so much more than their illness. So true. :)Title: Re: Brian Wilson insane or is he???/ Post by: Jason on January 31, 2006, 02:08:43 PM People with mental illness are very loveable...and loving. What ever may be wrong, they are still people first. Labels aside, they are so much more than their illness. Post of the year. |