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Title: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 18, 2007, 06:27:29 AM
Surfin' Safari:

1. Surfin' Safari           -  Mike
2. County Fair             -  Mike 1
3. Ten Little Indians    -  Mike
4. Chug-A-Lug            -  Mike
5. Little Girl (You're My Miss America) - Dennis
6. 409                         - Mike
7. Surfin'                      - Mike
8. Heads You Win - Tails I Lose - Mike
9. Summertime Blues  - Carl with David and Mike (bass vocal, last line of each verse)
10. Cuckoo Clock        - Brian
11. Moon Dawg          - Instrumental 2
12. The Shift              - Mike

Bonus Tracks:

13. Land Ahoy            - Mike
14. Cindy, Oh Cindy     - Brian


1 Features Andrea Carlo on the female spoken word part and Nik Venet as the "carnival barker".
2 Features Nik Venet doing the "howling!"





Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 18, 2007, 06:31:57 AM
Here's the first installment of the thread which should hopefully serve as the definitive reference on Who Sang What?

There's not much debate to be had on Surfin' Safari, but hey, someone might have a question about it, you never know.

My only thoughts were that maybe Moon Dawg should perhaps be asterisked as having harmonies on it, and whether or not you could classify Dave's part on Summertime Blues as a lead vocal. Carl is definitely louder, and Dave's vocal is more of a harmony. It's pretty anonymous, as well. I put "with David" as a kind of middle-ground, but if anyone has an argument for against a "Carl" credit or a "Carl and David" credit, I'd be interested.

I really don't want to detract from Dave's contribution, so I'm torn.

When the debate's over, we'll do the "Surfin' USA" LP.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 18, 2007, 08:14:41 AM
My only adjustment might be to give Mike a credit as well on Summertime Blues for the low voice. Carl and Dave, with Mike.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 18, 2007, 09:23:55 AM
Yeah, I was thinking about that. I wasn't sure about songs where one line is sung though - like for instance, crediting Mike on "Pom Pom Playgirl" and stuff. Maybe we should see what the majority opinion is on that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Bicyclerider on June 18, 2007, 10:28:10 AM
I think we have to get more specific with who sings what as we move forward - who sings verse, chorus, and break, as those "lead" vocalists may all be different.  And then there are songs like I Know There's an Answer where there's two lead vocalists on the verses . . . so we'll have to get specific even about what lines are sung by whom (like in Add Some Music).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 18, 2007, 10:35:43 AM
Yeah, but there's nothing like that on Surfin' Safari. I intend to do that as we go on - I have a line-by-line breakdown of Smiley Smile's "Wind Chimes" and "She's Goin' Bald" for us to debate, stuff like that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on June 18, 2007, 02:00:43 PM
I think "County Fair" features Nik Venet as the "carnival barker"...  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: punkinhead on June 18, 2007, 02:34:02 PM
wasn't nik venet also the barking on moon dawg? 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 18, 2007, 03:39:54 PM
It's just dawned on me - and this tells you much concerning my mental process these days - that I've already done something along these lines, to wit:

http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/albumarchive1.html (http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/albumarchive1.html)

But I wouldn't claim it's definitive (and yes, I got the recording date of "Baker" wrong), and fully expect to revise it after reading this thread.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 19, 2007, 06:28:34 AM
A couple of good questions there; we'll asterisk those as "non-lead vocal" credits:

Okay:

So is it Venet doing the carnival barkers spiel? I've read somewhere [liner notes? AGD's book?] that it's Mike.

And who is barking on Moon Dawg? Is it Venet? Is it Derry Weaver?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 19, 2007, 09:03:32 AM
Having listened to "County Fair" again recently, I'm thinking the carnival barker might be Brian. The howls are Venet, or so I was told many moons ago.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 19, 2007, 11:12:07 AM
I'm thinking that the carnival barker is neither Mike nor Brian; it doesn't sound like a Beach Boy to me, not even one doing a funny voice. Surely David Marks will be able to answer this question?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on June 19, 2007, 11:45:52 AM
The girl (Andrea Carlo, or whoever) says "oh, come on, Nicky". Of course, that's not undebatable evidence, but still...  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 19, 2007, 11:47:57 AM
So we're agreed - no-one knows !  8)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 19, 2007, 11:49:52 AM
The girl (Andrea Carlo, or whoever) says "oh, come on, Nicky". Of course, that's not undebatable evidence, but still...  :)

Wouldn't "Nicky" be the boyfriend, not the barker? That said, I think it's probably Nik Venet.
I'm holding out for David's opinion...:D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on June 19, 2007, 09:59:44 PM
Of course Murray was always barking at his boys, maybe they cought it on tape and put it on Moon Dawg.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 20, 2007, 03:09:45 PM
Carrie Marks answered.
Quote
Nik was the carnival barker and did the howling on Moon Dawg.

Hope that helps...

Carrie


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 21, 2007, 04:14:42 AM
Yep. I'll edit the first post now, adding that info.

Anything else before I do SURFIN' USA?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 22, 2007, 04:47:19 AM
Can't see much, if any controversy here, but still...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on June 22, 2007, 05:04:54 AM
What about harmonies? If this is going to become the ultimate definitive vocals thread, why not include all vocalists? At this point this wouldn't be quite interesting (just Brian, Carl, Mike and Dennis), but already on the next album Alan has rejoined the band. Personally, I would like to know on which songs he contributed, or on which songs Dennis preferred to stay on the beach. Later on when it gets unclear when the distinction between lead and backing vocals get a bit blurred (ie. 'Time to get alone' or the earlier mentioned 'I know there's an answer'), it would take some more elaborate explaining.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 22, 2007, 05:33:37 AM
The plan is to asterisk anything that isn't a lead vocal but is prominent on the song nevertheless, like Bruce's chorus falsetto on "The Girl From New York City". Otherwise, including all vocalists is a bit too much, not really something I've seen come up and frankly I'll be happy if stuff like "Hawaii" NOT being credited to Dennis is settled once and for all.

Also, the harmonies are impossible to tell - like for instance Steve Desper says he sings on most of the things he recorded. Who else is there? Which songs were they? The backing vocals question isn't generally that important when people still think "Girl Don't Tell Me" is Carl's first lead.
I Know There's An Answer isn't that elaborate:

Mike and Alan [verses; Mike first line only]; Brian [choruses]. Done. The Smiley Smile stuff is much more elaborate - I have a line-by-line thing for debate when we get there of a couple of songs!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on June 22, 2007, 05:59:35 AM
That's cool. I'm hoping for lots of asterisks, then!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 23, 2007, 12:29:05 PM
Call me nuts, but Hawaii has always sounded more like Dennis to me. I know who the liner notes credit. But it still sounds more like Dennis.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 23, 2007, 12:31:13 PM
I thought it was Dennis too, for the logest time, but it's Mike, with a head cold.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 23, 2007, 12:52:32 PM
Call me nuts, but Hawaii has always sounded more like Dennis to me. I know who the liner notes credit. But it still sounds more like Dennis.

It's Mike.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on June 23, 2007, 02:15:09 PM
Don't forget Brian co sang Surfer's Rule.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 23, 2007, 02:17:50 PM
I thought it was Dennis too, for the logest time, but it's Mike, with a head cold.

So Denny = Mike with a head cold.  :lol

Awesome. Now I know why. Thanks Andy.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 23, 2007, 02:23:53 PM
Don't forget Brian co sang Surfer's Rule.

After deliberating, I think "Dennis, wth Brian" is probably the way to go. Although, thinking about it, maybe this is no different to crediting Mike for Our Car Club, with one line of vocal. Brian has a such a strident voice in the early days, he dominates a group vocal, so it's a tough call.

Anyone wanna defend a "Dennis AND Brian" credit? ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 23, 2007, 02:27:00 PM
I thought it was Dennis too, for the logest time, but it's Mike, with a head cold.

So Denny = Mike with a head cold.  :lol

Awesome. Now I know why. Thanks Andy.

They do sing in the same range, generally, so if Mike has a rasp, they do sound similar. Also, sorry if I came off as too dismissive in my previous post quoting you.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 23, 2007, 02:32:10 PM
They do sing in the same range, generally, so if Mike has a rasp, they do sound similar. Also, sorry if I came off as too dismissive in my previous post quoting you.

No biggie. It didn't come off that way to me at all. Great thread.  :smokin


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 23, 2007, 02:33:40 PM
If you listen to the session tapes, Mike's hacking and snorting all over them.  :o


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 23, 2007, 02:39:32 PM
Same thing happened with Catch a Wave.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on June 23, 2007, 02:46:48 PM
I'm a bit in doubt about Surfer girl and In my room being credited to Brian. I agree that his voice is very prominent and he definitely sings the lead on the bridge, but on the other hand he sings the remainder of the songs in harmony with Carl, Dennis, Mike and Al...

On his website AGD lists SG with -Brian- and In my room with -group-  ???

What about
Surfer girl - group with Brian prominently (lead on bridge) or... In my room - Brian with group (Brian lead on bridge)?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 23, 2007, 03:08:45 PM
This backs up my point about Brian being the dominating voice on these "group" songs; his voice is the most powerful plus he's singing in a totally different range to everyone [so is Mike, but his bass voice is pretty understated in the "group" vocals]  - I'd say what with the falsetto being the loudest clearest component in the mix, plus the bridge [although I did use to think Mike was on the "Do my dreaming, and my scheming" section - anyone wanna take a listen?] and the falsetto at the end, I'd say that it's fair for them to be Brian vocals; the other guys are on harmony vocals.

Thoughts?

P.S. This opens an interesting question on a certain song on All Summer Long, but we'll cross that bridge...

Also, I'm going to try and stay away from "group" vocals - for instance, I think it's more constructive if we credit, say, "A Young Man Is Gone" as "Brian, Carl, Alan and Mike in harmony".  It's not a "group" vocal - Denny and Dave aren't singing. "Group" is a shorthand. I have no problem with something like "Our Prayer" being a group vocal - all six 1966 members are singing, but those early accapella songs - I'm not gonna get carpal tunnel typing out four names instead of just "group".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 24, 2007, 11:58:05 AM
I'm a bit in doubt about Surfer girl and In my room being credited to Brian. I agree that his voice is very prominent and he definitely sings the lead on the bridge, but on the other hand he sings the remainder of the songs in harmony with Carl, Dennis, Mike and Al...

On his website AGD lists SG with -Brian- and In my room with -group-  ???

What about
Surfer girl - group with Brian prominently (lead on bridge) or... In my room - Brian with group (Brian lead on bridge)?


Al does not sing on the song Surfer Girl, he wasn't there. Its Brian, Dennis, Carl and Mike...and yeah, no Survivors either.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 25, 2007, 07:56:20 AM
If there's no controversy here, that's cool, because it means we can move right on to Shut Down Vol. 2...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on June 26, 2007, 08:30:15 AM
Doesn't Mike sing part of the bridge of Keep an eye on summer? ("Soon we'll be graduating
And we'll be so far apart")

No mention of "Cassius"'s introduction by Al?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 26, 2007, 08:49:22 AM
I wondered whether Mike sings that; I used to think so but now I'm not sure it's not Brian. I'll listen again...

EDIT: There are two voices there, Mike and Brian - and to me, sounds like the "And we'll so far apart..." has more a Brian inflection to it than Mike. What do you think?

I've mentioned Mike as prominent harmony, but I'm not sure he's LEAD vocal on it, per se. I'm open to disagreement though.

I put Al in too on Cassius. I didn't think it worthy of comment originally, because there's no question of who it is, since he introduces himself...;)
But you're right. There's no question that Mike sings, say, Fun Fun Fun, but that's noted, so...



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 26, 2007, 09:17:34 AM
EDIT: There are two voices there, Mike and Brian - and to me, sounds like the "And we'll so far apart..." has more a Brian inflection to it than Mike. What do you think?

I've mentioned Mike as prominent harmony, but I'm not sure he's LEAD vocal on it, per se. I'm open to disagreement though.


I think it is definitely both Brian and Mike and Mike's underlying "Keep and eye on sum-mer" is pretty prominent throught out. But I am not sure the constitutes a co-lead credit either. I vote no.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on June 26, 2007, 12:34:01 PM
I know I am going back a few albums, sorry I haven't checked in a bit but if we are doing these special mentions with astericks, Brian should get on Finders Keepers then. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 26, 2007, 01:40:55 PM
For "she said, yes she said"? Good point.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 27, 2007, 06:17:10 AM
I disagree with saying Brian is the first among equals on Girls on the Beach. Unlike in say Our Prayer where all the parts have a life of their own, Brian's part in GotB is clearly the melody with the other parts merely accompanying.

IMO.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 27, 2007, 06:19:14 AM
To be honest, here I was thinking of designating Girls On The Beach as "Brian (verses) and Dennis (middle-8)"; anyone agree? The other guys are just harmony vocals really; once again, Brian is so loud as to be "lead" vocal. Thoughts?

EDIT: Well, that's settled that. ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on June 27, 2007, 08:37:25 AM
I think Dennis also sings "faster" on Little Honda


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 27, 2007, 08:52:34 AM
I think Dennis also sings "faster" on Little Honda

*Dennis definitely sings the low "Faster" solo line on Little Honda, a very prominent part of the song.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 27, 2007, 08:58:52 AM
Dennis also has two single word lines in "I Get Around" that are solo(just his voice). It's  the "round" after Mike sings "I Get Around"...then comes DW's "round" then the group joins "get around round round"...which happens twice in the song. To me this warrants at least a mention because its a number one single and Dennis sings his line solo.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 27, 2007, 09:43:59 AM
So noted, I'll place this in. The "Faster" in particular was a lapse on my part. Denny was really their third-string vocalist at this point.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on June 27, 2007, 12:07:25 PM
On "Our favorite recording sessions" Chuck Britz is also noticeably audible along with the group.

I'm not sure, but I think on Don't back down Brian also sings the last line on the verses.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 27, 2007, 12:23:57 PM
Good points.  This thread has really geared up now and is working the way I wanted it to.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 27, 2007, 12:39:37 PM
If someone has a clearly identifiable line - e.g. Carl in "Little Bird" - then yes, obviously credit them... but a prominent harmony ?  That's muddying the waters, I'm thinking.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 27, 2007, 01:23:28 PM
I agree, to a large extent. That's why I initiated the asterisk system, since it keeps the lead vocal clear. I think unaccompanied lines are definitely "lead vocals". Carl was going to get a lead vocal credit in bold on Little Bird, but liner notes aside, Brian isn't.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 27, 2007, 02:01:44 PM
I agree, to a large extent. That's why I initiated the asterisk system, since it keeps the lead vocal clear. I think unaccompanied lines are definitely "lead vocals". Carl was going to get a lead vocal credit in bold on Little Bird, but liner notes aside, Brian isn't.

I agree that unaccompanied lines should get credit as such, as an asterisk if the part is minimal, as Dennis' "round" line in I Get Around obviously is. Don't want to break out a Friends LP argument too soon here, but Carl's part in Little Bird is sung in unison with Dennis IMO, and is not a solo or "lead" line. To give Carl credit for that would be equal to giving Carl and Dennis credit for their unison part in the song "All Summer Long" which follows Brian and Mike's in every verse.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on June 27, 2007, 02:09:12 PM
Here's a funny question...do we know for absolute certain that Carl sings the "what a day, what a day" lead line on "Little Bird?"  I'm not calling it into question on aural grounds -- it sounds exactly like Carl to me, too -- just reflecting that it's just funny (although certainly not unheard of in Beach Boys lore) that he pops in for one line like that, and '68 era Dennis was capable of sounding a lot like Carl.  So it's conceivable to me that it's just Dennis in a fluky way sounding like Carl

I think it was Carl, myself, possibly pinch-hitting with a line that Dennis had trouble with, but I was just asking if it had ever  been verified or that we were all just assuming it was him because it sounds exactly like him?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 27, 2007, 02:26:38 PM
I think it's Carl, and I don't know if Denny had trouble, to me it sounds like just a guy diggin' his brother's voice and giving him a line to sing. And the wide-eyed innocence Carl brings to that line proves Denny right.

Is it sung in unison, Jon? I just thought it was Carl solo. Heh, we are jumping the gun a little here.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on June 27, 2007, 02:29:55 PM
The last verse of Little Bird is Brian and Dennis on lead.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 27, 2007, 02:31:11 PM
Here's a funny question...do we know for absolute certain that Carl sings the "what a day, what a day" lead line on "Little Bird?"  I'm not calling it into question on aural grounds -- it sounds exactly like Carl to me, too -- just reflecting that it's just funny (although certainly not unheard of in Beach Boys lore) that he pops in for one line like that, and '68 era Dennis was capable of sounding a lot like Carl.  So it's conceivable to me that it's just Dennis in a fluky way sounding like Carl

I think it was Carl, myself, possibly pinch-hitting with a line that Dennis had trouble with, but I was just asking if it had ever  been verified or that we were all just assuming it was him because it sounds exactly like him?

Can't speak for anyone else, but it's been verified to me by someone who was there. [hint: birthday boy  :)]


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 27, 2007, 02:48:11 PM
Definitely Carl on What a day...etc... I think I may be mixing the unison thing up with In The Back Of My Mind, which has a unison Carl/Dennis line. So I'll save the All Summer Long argument when we get to BB's Today!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on June 27, 2007, 02:53:34 PM
OK, I'll buy that.  Any idea why he came in for that one line, Andrew?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 27, 2007, 03:07:46 PM
The last verse of Little Bird is Brian and Dennis on lead.

Are we talking about "Little Bird...looked down, and sang a so-ong to me" to the CIFOTM-sounding backing track right at the end? Because I'm planning on asterisking it, but unless there's a good case, I don't think it should be classed as a lead...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 27, 2007, 04:02:58 PM
The last verse of Little Bird is Brian and Dennis on lead.

Are we talking about "Little Bird...looked down, and sang a so-ong to me" to the CIFOTM-sounding backing track right at the end? Because I'm planning on asterisking it, but unless there's a good case, I don't think it should be classed as a lead...

Yeah, you're right it shouldn't be a lead, unless we change some other things like All Summer Long...hee! MAN we are really ahead of ourselves here with this Little Bird business. Order in the court!!! Let's get back to 1964 dudes.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on June 27, 2007, 07:19:21 PM
The last verse of Little Bird is Brian and Dennis on lead.

Are we talking about "Little Bird...looked down, and sang a so-ong to me" to the CIFOTM-sounding backing track right at the end? Because I'm planning on asterisking it, but unless there's a good case, I don't think it should be classed as a lead...

No it's the part right before that. It has the "CIFOTM" horns and has a high part. Brian is really up in the vinyl mix at least. Brian co-wrote the song btw but didn't take credit.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 28, 2007, 05:53:10 AM
Ah, yes, I know the part you mean. Well, we'll leave it till we get there.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 28, 2007, 08:18:22 AM
John, if you're gonna give Brian Co-credit on I get around you have to give it to him as well on Little Deuce Coup. Its a pretty prominent vocal (She's my little Deuce Coup. You dunno what I've got!).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on June 28, 2007, 08:42:08 AM
I think its fairer to call Dennis' ending note on Grad. Day "off mic" and not "off key".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 28, 2007, 10:00:46 AM
Jon: Ha! Done!

Pixletwin: Don't really agree, Bri sings the lead on the whole chorus of I Get Around solo. Coupe is just his voice most prominent amongst the harmonies, and shorter, t'boot!
 ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 28, 2007, 10:23:43 AM
Pixletwin: Don't really agree, Bri sings the lead on the whole chorus of I Get Around solo. Coupe is just his voice most prominent amongst the harmonies, and shorter, t'boot!
 ;D

I find that highyly debateable. His harmony is clearly the main melody.And its only one measure shy of his solo on I Get Around. If you you were a camera man you would clearly have the camera on Brian during the LDC vocal. But ah well... You be da moderator on dis one my fren'.

:D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 28, 2007, 10:31:37 AM
Let's take a vote amongst the thread regulars, I think that's the fairest way to do it...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on June 28, 2007, 10:50:37 AM
Although I'm irregular.....

I see the argument for Brian on LDC's chorus, but I feel like his vocal is too "blended" into the other vocals to get credit.

Whereas, on IGA Brian's chorus vocal is more separated and distinct from the "get around, round, round....." harmonies.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 28, 2007, 11:03:07 AM
I agree with Fourteen.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 28, 2007, 11:40:32 AM
Maybe an asterisk, then...? I'm in agreement with both you guys...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 28, 2007, 11:57:13 AM
Maybe an asterisk, then...? I'm in agreement with both you guys...

I'll settle for an asterix. :lol :-D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 28, 2007, 01:14:26 PM
Done and done.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 28, 2007, 02:13:44 PM
You know what you should do John? Once an album has been debated and settled you should add the results to your first post. That way it will be easier to go back and look without having to hunt all over the thread.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 28, 2007, 02:17:59 PM
Good idea. I was thinking that when we've done it, we ask the mod to split the albums only into one thread and then I'll rename this "Definite Vocal Thread Discussion".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on June 28, 2007, 03:34:04 PM
I think the technical difference between I GET AROUND and LITTLE DEUCE COUPE is that on IGA, the falsetto line is totally autonomous from the underlying harmonies...it does its own thing.  On LDC, IIRC, it only splits off at "got..." (and perhaps at the beginning, "she's my...", I don't have the record here to check).

So an argument could be made on technical grounds that the IGA chorus is the lead vocal, and on LDC, it's the top part of the harmony arrangement.  I don't personally have a vote, though.  Makes no nevermind to me...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 28, 2007, 04:06:35 PM
You certainly do have a vote, everyone should contribute, and for what it's worth, I think you summed up the argument best. Brian's voice is the loudest component of the harmonies most if not all of the time.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on June 28, 2007, 04:16:10 PM
You certainly do have a vote, everyone should contribute, and for what it's worth, I think you summed up the argument best. Brian's voice is the loudest component of the harmonies most if not all of the time.

True. I guess that may open a whole can of worms later on, eh?

 :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on June 28, 2007, 06:36:23 PM
I just meant to say that I didn't have a preference.  I suppose if I was compiling the list, that's probably how I'd make the distinction, but whether I'd apply it to LITTLE DEUCE COUPE...heck, I don't know.  You could still make the argument that because it splits off at all, and it's the loudest, it's the melody/lead vocal.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 29, 2007, 05:29:34 AM
I'm happy with the asterisk. :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on June 29, 2007, 05:19:50 PM
I think Dennis is on The Lord's Prayer too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 30, 2007, 06:17:22 AM
He is? Anyone else wanna confirm that? I've had to move my lesser-listened-to CDs out of the way because I have a tot with busy hands, so I can't find my copy of the Christmas album at the moment.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 01, 2007, 12:24:43 PM
Any (more)  confirmation re: all five Beach Boys on the close harmony accapellas?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 01, 2007, 03:25:17 PM
I'm just going by my ears as far as the Lord's Prayer. Listen to the lower parts closely.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 02, 2007, 09:29:26 AM
Modified it.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 02, 2007, 09:56:33 AM
My favourite album!

A couple of points:

I'm not overly thrilled with that many asterisks, but any other symbol looked wrong.

Brian is right. It is him, not Carl, who says "I love you" at the end of PLMW. Ignore the liner notes and listen to it...I put it on repeatedly and I'm sure that's Brian's voice.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 02, 2007, 10:30:30 AM
Its always sounded like Brian to me as well. Lots O'people here will say otherwise though.

On the Today! I have nothing to add. Looks perfect to me.

NEXT!

 :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 02, 2007, 11:15:49 PM
On "Good to my baby"during the round in the intro/ bridge Carl sings the third line ("Good to my baby") solo. Does that count? The complete round is: Mike - Brian (with Alan and Dennis on harmony) - Carl (with B, A and D doing "ooh") -Mike (with B, A and D doing "ooh").

On "She knows me too well" Mike seems to sing a rather prominent back-up "She knows me..." in between verses?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 03, 2007, 05:50:50 AM
These are good. The asterisk level is going to be off the charts though! I'm gonna omit "SKMTW" for now, since that's a very short and standard Mike-ism, and I don't want soooo many asterisks! :-D

I'll use your description of "GTMB" more-or-less verbatim, if that's okay...I've initiated a new feature I've called close-up - it'll serve us well on line-by-line readouts of tracks like Wind Chimes and She's Goin' Bald...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on July 03, 2007, 07:52:12 AM
I'm not overly thrilled with that many asterisks, but any other symbol looked wrong.

How about (A), (B), (C) etc.?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 03, 2007, 08:31:55 AM
Close-ups: excellent idea, will certainly be useful later on. (Although my personal preference would be to do that more often, even on this album: for example the choruses of Kiss, me baby and Help me R(h)onda, where the leads aren't exactly sung by resp. Brian/ Mike and Alan.)

(a), (b), (c) etc, or perhaps *1, *2, *3?. With all those asterisks it's a bit hard to quickly look something up. I have to count all those asterisks now.

Are we sure it's Dennis who sings "Help, me Rhonda, yeah!" at the end of the chorus? It sounds like more than one person to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 03, 2007, 10:16:48 AM
I'm not overly thrilled with that many asterisks, but any other symbol looked wrong.

How about (A), (B), (C) etc.?

Good idea, I'll do that if we get to a point of any more asterisks than on Today!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 03, 2007, 10:21:29 AM
Close-ups: excellent idea, will certainly be useful later on. (Although my personal preference would be to do that more often, even on this album: for example the choruses of Kiss, me baby and Help me R(h)onda, where the leads aren't exactly sung by resp. Brian/ Mike and Alan.)

I'm gonna leave it for tricky ones at the moment. Next projected one is probably Little Girl I Once Knew, but it might be She's Goin' Bald.

Quote
(a), (b), (c) etc, or perhaps *1, *2, *3?. With all those asterisks it's a bit hard to quickly look something up. I have to count all those asterisks now.

Like I say, if there's an album which is worse than that for footnotes, then I'll change it up.

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Are we sure it's Dennis who sings "Help, me Rhonda, yeah!" at the end of the chorus? It sounds like more than one person to me.

He seems the loudest, I dunno. Calling Mr. Stebbins....?

Meanwhile.....:


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 03, 2007, 10:34:05 AM
Huh, that was nearly as asterisk-y. Not quite though. :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 03, 2007, 10:39:21 AM
On "And Your Dreams Come True" I could swear I can hear Dennis.. especially at the end.

 ???


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 03, 2007, 10:41:25 AM
On "And Your Dreams Come True" I could swear I can hear Dennis.. especially at the end.

 ???

Ok just listened again. Nevermind.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Rocker on July 03, 2007, 10:42:52 AM
Good work !


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 03, 2007, 11:58:48 AM
Instead of multiple ass-terisks, why not try...

+
%
#
@
$


§

or...

[1]
[2]
[3]

... and so on.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 03, 2007, 11:59:55 AM
Instead of multiple ass-terisks, why not try...

[1]
[2]
[3]

... and so on.

I like that suggestion. It would really make it easier to read.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 03, 2007, 12:04:26 PM
Numbers it is. I'll modify the lot soon.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 03, 2007, 01:24:57 PM
I like the footnotes a lot, but then, I'm a wonky geek.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 03, 2007, 01:30:57 PM
Then you'll just lurrrrrrrrrrvee this stuff:

http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/gigs.html (http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/gigs.html).

 ::)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 04, 2007, 06:11:12 AM
Everybody happy with the smaller size, footnote-y numbers? I am.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 04, 2007, 07:54:59 AM
I really like the new number system John.


I had no idea that was Bruce on IGA/LDC. Why wasn't Brian on it? I guess Bruce had to be on it somewhere to justify his face on the album cover. :) :P


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 04, 2007, 08:13:29 AM
I think it's probably because that was the live arrangement that Bruce is on there...it really sounds like him anyway.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 04, 2007, 11:08:06 AM
On The little girl I once knew, why credit Mike with "bass vocal"? Wouldn't "spoken word line after verses" or something be more appropriate?

Also I'd mention Bruce doing a call-and-response during choruses, like he did on California girls. (It seems Brian had a knack of using Bruce for these respones; there is a line from California girls to follow-up single Little girl I once knew and God only knows.)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 04, 2007, 11:41:26 AM
Mike's credit is for "Split, Man!" and the "bow-bow-bow" at the end. It's pretty prominent and I was trying to find a good way of putting it.

As to the other point, done.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 04, 2007, 11:50:17 AM
"bow-bow-bow"

Oh yeah, I forgot about those!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on July 05, 2007, 07:24:15 AM
8.  God Only Knows                                      - Carl, with Brian and Bruce on the tag

Carl isn't on the tag, right? I believe it's Bruce and 2x Brian?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 05, 2007, 08:09:28 AM
Yep. On that new stereo mix, Carl begins the tag, though. But I don't accept that as the "real" one.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on July 05, 2007, 08:42:03 AM
What about Dennis's(I think) answer vocals during the middle-8 of Wouldn't It Be Nice?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 05, 2007, 09:18:48 AM
I thought Denny's bit was the low bit when all the backing vocals start in the second verse; Brian said he devised a way of singing through cupped hands (or something like that) as if he was imparting confidential information...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on July 05, 2007, 11:40:06 AM
Well, someone's singing those answering lines.  My guess is Dennis, or maybe Carl


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on July 05, 2007, 12:38:52 PM
Dennis sings the "run run reooohh" on the tag of WIBN and should be credited, he also sings major parts of the bass vocal "be doo be" when the song slows down.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 06, 2007, 08:01:44 AM
That was a bit tricky. I put the songs for convenience in their BWPS running order, as much as been released, but this is one "album" where I'd appreciate suggestions. My 30 Years boxset is packed up so I had to go from memory on the SMiLE Vega-Tables and Love To Say Dada. I'm surprised that I'm more confident on Smiley Smile :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on July 06, 2007, 08:07:13 AM
Wait a freaking second! >:(  Who the frick is echoing Mike's lines during the bridge of Wouldn't It Be Nice?  Those are solo lines, I contend that they shouldn't just be ignored :angry


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 06, 2007, 08:38:32 AM
What do you mean, "Oh, we could be married"? That's not Mike, it's Brian echoed by Alan isn't it?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 06, 2007, 08:56:02 AM
Going back to Today !, I don't give a flying one about what anyone says, even if it's Brian - the "I love you" at the end of "PLMW" is Carl. Listen to the stereo remix - plain as a pikestaff.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 06, 2007, 09:07:24 AM
I don't know. To be honest, I put my trust in my own ears more than what Brian says.  I think it's Brian. It's got the same tone as the half-mumbled, hushed tones you hear when he talks on session tapes. Brian only made me think about it, but didn't convince me.

I have to sheepishly admit I don't have the stereo version though, unless it's on the SOT Box Set for Today, which I'll have to dig out. Can we take a consensus -everyone reading this, listen to it three times and tell us what you think. Is it Carl or a soft-spoken Brian?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 06, 2007, 09:16:09 AM
I've not seen the clip for some time, but on the 1965 TV show, doesn't Carl mime the 'I love you' bit ?

[edit] actually, no. No matter, it's Carl on the tape.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on July 06, 2007, 09:20:25 AM
Wind Chimes has solo lines from Mike, Brian, Carl and Dennis..."ting-alin'"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 06, 2007, 09:21:18 AM
I don't know. To be honest, I put my trust in my own ears more than what Brian says.  I think it's Brian. It's got the same tone as the half-mumbled, hushed tones you hear when he talks on session tapes. Brian only made me think about it, but didn't convince me.

I have to sheepishly admit I don't have the stereo version though, unless it's on the SOT Box Set for Today, which I'll have to dig out. Can we take a consensus -everyone reading this, listen to it three times and tell us what you think. Is it Carl or a soft-spoken Brian?

Stereo remix is on TWOTS.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 06, 2007, 09:22:21 AM
Wind Chimes has solo lines from Mike, Brian, Carl and Dennis..."ting-alin'"

Surely the Smile version is just Carl? I have a line-by-line readout for the Smiley version...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 06, 2007, 09:32:55 AM
Right, what's outstanding - the end of PLMW and the echoing lines of WIBN? Anything else?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on July 06, 2007, 09:34:50 AM
What do you mean, "Oh, we could be married"? That's not Mike, it's Brian echoed by Alan isn't it?
yes, im sorry, I should have said someone is echoing Brian's lines.  Al, huh?  Does someone know for sure?  To me it sounds like it could be Al, Dennis or Carl


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 06, 2007, 09:36:17 AM
I'll have a listen in a minute.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 06, 2007, 09:50:52 AM
Can we take a consensus -everyone reading this, listen to it three times and tell us what you think. Is it Carl or a soft-spoken Brian?

I have just finished listening to it 3 times and I still say its a soft spoken Brian.. It fits with the tone of how he sings the song. Its Brian. Brian. Brian. Brian.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 06, 2007, 09:58:00 AM
What do you mean, "Oh, we could be married"? That's not Mike, it's Brian echoed by Alan isn't it?
yes, im sorry, I should have said someone is echoing Brian's lines.  Al, huh?  Does someone know for sure?  To me it sounds like it could be Al, Dennis or Carl

Yeah, I've listened to it about twenty times and I'm pretty sure it's Al. The first line - the "married" line in particular definitely sounds like Al's early voice to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on July 06, 2007, 10:12:58 AM
What do you mean, "Oh, we could be married"? That's not Mike, it's Brian echoed by Alan isn't it?
yes, im sorry, I should have said someone is echoing Brian's lines.  Al, huh?  Does someone know for sure?  To me it sounds like it could be Al, Dennis or Carl

Yeah, I've listened to it about twenty times and I'm pretty sure it's Al. The first line - the "married" line in particular definitely sounds like Al's early voice to me.

Well, I wouldn't argue if you put it down as Al.  The only reason I would think otherwise is the way "happy" is sung sounds very Dennis-y to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 06, 2007, 10:24:12 AM
Ha, my wife (and second opinion) thought it was very Carl-like. :D
I think they have similar voices, but I'm pretty sure it's Al.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on July 06, 2007, 11:22:43 AM
Wouldn't It Be Nice- no clue

Please Let Me Wonder- Definitely Carl, without a doubt Carl, you can tell especially on the Warmth of the Sun! He had a certain way of phrasing R's and L's, and its obvious on I Love You. If you have ever heard Carl speak especially from the 60's, it is him all over.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 06, 2007, 12:10:43 PM
I have an idea...given the similarity of the problem identifying individual vocals with another trio of brothers, let's attribute any unidentified vocals to Maurice Gibb!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 06, 2007, 05:48:48 PM
I heard the isolated "I Love You' and it is Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 06, 2007, 06:24:38 PM
and the battle rages merrily on...  :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on July 06, 2007, 09:21:14 PM
I heard the isolated "I Love You' and it is Brian.

Until I heard that line isolated, I would have said Carl, but now I lean towards Brian.

As for WIBN, I think its Al echoing Brian in the bridge.  I suppose it might be Dennis, but I'm going with Al.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 07, 2007, 04:27:00 AM
I used to think it was Carl, until I half-heard it while surfing the net. I thought "Hey, that MIGHT be Brian!"
I rewound it back a few times, and became convinced. I think because it's so soft, you'd think Carl, because we're thinking of stuff like the contrast between the soft lead on GOK compared with the brasher sound of Brian. But like someone else said, it's a pretty soft vocal all round. And I'm pretty sure it's Brian.

And I'm almost certain that it's Al on WIBN. I'll add that soonest.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 07, 2007, 07:21:47 AM
I think its like how every one assumes Paul sings the high part on "I wanna hold your haaaaaaand" at the end of each verse when its actually John.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 07, 2007, 09:01:48 AM
Carl. No question in my mind.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 07, 2007, 10:36:00 AM
Where's the isolated track, can we find it online?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: grillo on July 07, 2007, 11:07:13 AM
PLMW; it's gotta be Carl, always has been, always will be. Of course I'm still trying to come to terms with it being Al on Be Here in the Morning.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 08, 2007, 03:55:46 AM
Why would Brian let Carl sing "I love you" on a song that is otherwise sung by himself (w/ Mike on parts)  and is written about his wife and sung and recorded in her presence? (according to Brian on the WOTS-podcast). It wouldn't make sense.

To my ears... it sounds like Carl.

Back to the discussion of Wouldn't it be nice; I agree Dennis is prominent on the tag. But, according to Brian (I think I read this in the book in The Pet Sounds session box), Dennis and Alan sing "run-run", followed by Carl and Bruce doing "wee-doo". I'm not at home, so I can't look it up.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 08, 2007, 06:45:29 AM
Why would Brian let Carl sing "I love you" on a song that is otherwise sung by himself (w/ Mike on parts)  and is written about his wife and sung and recorded in her presence? (according to Brian on the WOTS-podcast). It wouldn't make sense.

To my ears... it sounds like Carl.

Bit of a mixed message here. :D ;)



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 08, 2007, 07:45:37 AM
Exactly; I'm clueless :)

I say bring on Smiley Smile!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 08, 2007, 08:03:56 AM
I guess we can always go back. But I still think it's Brian.

Four to three for Brian by my count.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 08, 2007, 08:50:13 AM
Phew. Who sings that girly part on Wonderful then? :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on July 08, 2007, 09:00:38 AM
I hear a couple of differences in regards to Wind Chimes

Dennis: Close your eyes and lean back
Listen to wind chimes
I hear Brian singing "close your eyes and lean back" before Dennis comes in

Carl: It's so peaceful
Close to a lullabye
this sounds like Al to me


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 08, 2007, 09:07:56 AM
I hear a couple of differences in regards to Wind Chimes

Dennis: Close your eyes and lean back
Listen to wind chimes
I hear Brian singing "close your eyes and lean back" before Dennis comes in

Nah, that sounds like Dennis to me. It's got the same vibe as some of his talking on the Party album. The speaking voices are very similar at this point...

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Carl: It's so peaceful
Close to a lullabye
this sounds like Al to me

I'll listen to this again. EDIT: Still sounds like Carl. I can see what you mean, but I'm pretty sure it's Carl. As ever, I'll throw it out to the floor!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on July 08, 2007, 09:37:24 AM
I hear a couple of differences in regards to Wind Chimes

Dennis: Close your eyes and lean back
Listen to wind chimes
I hear Brian singing "close your eyes and lean back" before Dennis comes in

Nah, that sounds like Dennis to me. It's got the same vibe as some of his talking on the Party album. The speaking voices are very similar at this point...

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Carl: It's so peaceful
Close to a lullabye
this sounds like Al to me

I'll listen to this again. EDIT: Still sounds like Carl. I can see what you mean, but I'm pretty sure it's Carl. As ever, I'll throw it out to the floor!

I'm following the "logic" of the arrangement as well as my ears in terms of forming my opinion.  Why would they give Dennis an entire line like that when all of the others are split up?  And it seems that Al would get the end of the second verse since he handled the end of the first verse, just like how he sings all of the first answering "wind chimes" by himself.  Anyway, that's my two cents . . . :listening


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 08, 2007, 09:43:57 AM
[I'm following the "logic" of the arrangement as well as my ears in terms of forming my opinion.  Why would they give Dennis an entire line like that when all of the others are split up?  And it seems that Al would get the end of the second verse since he handled the end of the first verse, just like how he sings all of the first answering "wind chimes" by himself.  Anyway, that's my two cents . . . :listening
[/quote]

I don't think there is a logic to the arrangement so much. The Beatles were doing experiments with "random" at the same time too. Judging by how stoned they sound, their "logic" may make sense to them and them only. :D
Logic and Smiley don't really go together - I mean, what's with the girls on Wonderful there and there only? ;)
Maybe they gave Dennis the whole line because he'd not been singing much "recently"?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on July 08, 2007, 10:00:21 AM
I fear that your "drug" argument fails to sway me in regards to the "Wind Chimes" vocal arrangement. :brian  I continue to cling steadfastly to the notion of accuracy in terms of my opinion.  In other words, I respectfully disagree, sir! :jedi  Yes, let us now turn the floor over to Democracy . . .


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 08, 2007, 10:14:56 AM
HAHAHA!

EDIT: After listening to that bit, there's a Al feel to it at the end, but "It's so peaceful..." really sounds like Carl.
I still think that other bit is Dennis, though there's a chance it could be Brian, it just sounds so much like Dennis. I'm just hedging my bets really.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 08, 2007, 01:55:56 PM
[I mean, what's with the girls on Wonderful there and there only? ;)
Maybe they gave Dennis the whole line because he'd not been singing much "recently"?

Girls?  I think that one line is the guys with the tape sped up.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 08, 2007, 03:38:49 PM
Brian's very prominent in the wacky middle-eight of "Wonderful" - I once worked out what he was saying, something like "let's go for the record... real cool guy... don't you think you're God-vibrations"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 08, 2007, 04:10:59 PM
No the girls are Marilyn and Diane, I could tell that the very first time I heard it.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 09, 2007, 05:15:26 AM
I'll add the Brian talky bit when we get a consensus on the Marilyn / Diane bit.

PLMW is still ongoing. I heard the isolated track and it's very much 100% Brian, but there's another element to the track which has me "worried".

And then there's the Wind Chimes thing.  :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2007, 12:23:00 PM
"Alan: Though it's hard I try
Not to look at my wind chimes"

Not to these ears - it's two voices, and neither are ACJ. Carl & Brian, maybe ?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 09, 2007, 12:29:14 PM
There is no way that is Al on wind chimes. I too vote for Carl and Brian (a little heavier on Carl, to my ears).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 09, 2007, 12:35:13 PM
Brian and Carl...That sounds right to me, after re-listening.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2007, 12:36:50 PM
"Wonderful" 'stoned' middle-eight:

"Everybody should just start comin' on.. comin' on, just be a cool guy... don't think you're God (pause) vibrations... let's go for the record... it's cool"

[from the session tape]


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 09, 2007, 12:50:40 PM
I'll put that in when I do the footnote, thanks!

Soooo:

Where do we stand on the rest of the Wind Chimes question?
AGD, what's your take? Is the whole "Close your eyes..." section Denny to you? And "It's so peaceful..." Carl?

Also, who is it singing the "Won, won, wonderful" girly bit?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2007, 12:53:15 PM
Denny, yes... Carl, yes...

The girly bit sounds pitch-shifted to me, like they did on "She's Goin' Bald"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 10, 2007, 05:19:04 AM
Aha!

Let's stick a pin in that and do Wild Honey.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 10, 2007, 05:42:27 AM
Harmonymeisters: "Mama Says" - is Bruce there? Is Denny?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 10, 2007, 08:31:32 AM
"9.  Let The Wind Blow                  - Mike and Brian, Carl (response vocals)"

"Let the bees make honey..." and so on is Carl.

"10. How She Boogalooed It          - Carl "

Alan.

"19. Can't Wait Too Long                            - Brian"

Version on the 2fer - group, Mike (duh-duhs), Brian ("miss you darlin'"), Brian Carl & Alan ("way too long/been way too long baby..." - someone drops out towards the end), Carl ("darlin' you know that I/can't wait for ever")


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 10, 2007, 09:55:51 AM
"9.  Let The Wind Blow                  - Mike and Brian, Carl (response vocals)"

"Let the bees make honey..." and so on is Carl.

Yes, I think it is.

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"10. How She Boogalooed It          - Carl "

Alan.

It is? I thought there was a long debate about this and it was revealed as Carl, after all. Even though everything said Al.

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"19. Can't Wait Too Long                            - Brian"

Version on the 2fer - group, Mike (duh-duhs), Brian ("miss you darlin'"), Brian Carl & Alan ("way too long/been way too long baby..." - someone drops out towards the end), Carl ("darlin' you know that I/can't wait for ever")

Gotcha.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on July 10, 2007, 09:59:21 AM
Let The Wind Blow:

"Let the bees make honey...." - Carl?  Sounds alot like Brian to me. :-\


Can't Wait Too Long:

"Darlin' You Know That I/can't wait for ever..." - Carl, also?  As in, the lead vocal in that (second to) last section?  (The last being that instumental coda on the fade.)  At the end of it, when he goes into the "Baby you know that I....." into the "ohhhh" little falsetto - that sounds like Brian, too.  To me, of course.





Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 10, 2007, 10:02:10 AM
The end of the bees bit sounds like Brian - the "But don't take her out of my life" bit...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 10, 2007, 10:05:38 AM
Listen to stereo remix.   8)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on July 10, 2007, 10:15:27 AM
Otay.

What about that final "But don't take her out of my life" (before "Please keep her out of my liiiife")....

Doesn't it sound a little different from the other times the line is sung?  Not saying it's not Brian....but sometimes it sounds like Dennis to me.  Sounds a little "rougher."


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 10, 2007, 10:20:43 AM
That's the bit that sounds like Brian to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on July 10, 2007, 10:29:18 AM
Not in that section, by the way.  At the very end of the song before the fade out.

As in:

Let the rain fall
Let the grass grow
Let the moon glow
On The fallen snow
But don't take her out of my life
Please keep her a part of my life


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 10, 2007, 10:31:37 AM
I don't hear Dennis at all there. Brian could be a lot rougher than Dennis when he wanted to... Dennis voice had a gruffness to it but it was always sweet. Even at its most scorched. My vote: Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 10, 2007, 10:32:51 AM
Not in that section, by the way.  At the very end of the song before the fade out.

Ah, yeah, sorry. That'll teach me to post without reading properly.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on July 10, 2007, 02:17:38 PM
How She Boogalooed It is definitely Alan. He admitted to that in an ESQ (maybe 2001?) He said something to the effect of that the song was written too high for Carl to sing, so he (Alan) sang it.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 10, 2007, 02:59:46 PM
Denny, yes... Carl, yes...

The girly bit sounds pitch-shifted to me, like they did on "She's Goin' Bald"
'

It still sounds like Marilyn and Diane, afterall they were around and the vocal pitch is just like their voices.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 10, 2007, 03:04:57 PM
Brian is singing the "Baby You Know That I' part on Can't Wait Too Long using his "Here Comes The Night"
 voice. Carl's main thing on that song was the spoken bits reflecting Brian's falsetto lines.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ebb and Flow on July 10, 2007, 03:57:05 PM
Totally agree with you on that one.  That's definitely Brian at the end.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on July 10, 2007, 06:07:23 PM
Wow, that's Mike on those Wild Honey leads? THAT'S AMAZING. I honestly thought they were Brian. Go Mike!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 10, 2007, 06:40:33 PM
"How She Boogalooed It" was Carl, as confirmed by Alan Boyd, who as I understand it, consulted Jardine to confirm it.  Don't know why the dueling Al comments, but I remember this having come up before.  It only sounds like Al to me in spots (perhaps the first two lines), otherwise it sounds totally consistent with Carl's other leads on the album.  Listen to the words "reelin'", "affection", etc., the distinctive "curl" to the end of the note.  Al never sang like that; his voice has a reedier texture.  Carl did.

The quote about Carl having Al sing it because it was too high for him doesn't make sense to me because (a) Al's name comes first as primary songwriter and (b) Carl's base vocal range was, if anything, higher than Al's (even though they both could hit pretty high notes...I'm referring to their comfort range.  Consider Carl's vocal on the first half of "Trader" which was, if anything, a little low for his voice in parts, even though he managed fine.  Now imagine Al singing it.  It's right smack in his natural register).  Now what makes more sense to me is that the vocal was too high for AL and he passed it on to CARL...since Al theoretically wrote most of it, he'd likely be the one to get first crack at singing it.  This also makes sense to me in that Al has more of a distinct crossover in his natural voice to his higher register than Carl did, so it would be easier for Carl to negotiate the top of his full voice range (though there's some overemoted notes on that tune, I grant you).  I can see Al having said that in the interview and either accidentally getting it backwards, having it transcribed backwards, or having remembered the interview backwards.

I've heard a live version of it from '67 and it's obviously Carl on that as well.  I hesitate to contradict my esteemed friend Mr. Doe, but...Carl.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on July 10, 2007, 07:45:19 PM
I told myself I wasn't going to read this thread because I get so exasperated at people's inability to recognize what seems obvious to me.  How's that for an arrogant statement...

I apologize, and I'm not saying anybody has a bad ear, but come on.  Listen to the Party! outtakes where it's just the Boys talking for long stretches.  Get familiar with their speaking voices.  Al pronounces things so differently from the Wilsons and Mike.  Carl's voice in particular is very distinct and his peculiarities seem as clear as day to me on the "Boogaloo" lead.  How could anybody mistake that for Al?  Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Again, apologies.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2007, 12:31:05 AM
I've heard a live version of it from '67 and it's obviously Carl on that as well.  I hesitate to contradict my esteemed friend Mr. Doe, but...Carl.

Iffn Boyd says so, it must be true. I genuflect in his general direction.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2007, 12:33:45 AM
Listen to the Party! outtakes where it's just the Boys talking for long stretches. 

But how can we do this ? Those are unsanctioned releases, and I know that none of the fine upstanding people here would dream of having anything to do with such reprehensible practise.  ::)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on July 11, 2007, 02:23:51 AM
General vocals question: I remember once reading (can't remember where) that Mike said he had a "secret falsetto", meaning that he (at least thought he) could sing falsetto if he wanted to... Does anyone know if he ever did that on record?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: matt-zeus on July 11, 2007, 02:45:13 AM
General vocals question: I remember once reading (can't remember where) that Mike said he had a "secret falsetto", meaning that he (at least thought he) could sing falsetto if he wanted to... Does anyone know if he ever did that on record?

He sang it to each of his wives shortly before they divorced....

Seriously though it sounds like one of Loves 'Me too' speeches, I'm surprised he didn't include it in his Rock and Roll hall of fame speech!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2007, 02:56:44 AM
Dunno about on record, but live he did some falsetto on the 1978 Australia/New Zealand tour.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ebb and Flow on July 11, 2007, 02:57:05 AM
Though it's obviously in jest, on the last verse of the Farmer's Daughter portion of "Cassius Love Vs. Sonny Wilson" Mike is singing in a high voice that isn't that bad.  That's the only thing I can think of.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: matt-zeus on July 11, 2007, 02:59:52 AM
In 'All I wanna do' he sings quite high too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 11, 2007, 03:50:31 AM
Dennis sings high on the live Never Learn on Mike Douglas.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 11, 2007, 05:08:43 AM
"How She Boogalooed It" was Carl, as confirmed by Alan Boyd, who as I understand it, consulted Jardine to confirm it.  Don't know why the dueling Al comments, but I remember this having come up before.  It only sounds like Al to me in spots (perhaps the first two lines), otherwise it sounds totally consistent with Carl's other leads on the album.  Listen to the words "reelin'", "affection", etc., the distinctive "curl" to the end of the note.  Al never sang like that; his voice has a reedier texture.  Carl did.

The quote about Carl having Al sing it because it was too high for him doesn't make sense to me because (a) Al's name comes first as primary songwriter and (b) Carl's base vocal range was, if anything, higher than Al's (even though they both could hit pretty high notes...I'm referring to their comfort range.  Consider Carl's vocal on the first half of "Trader" which was, if anything, a little low for his voice in parts, even though he managed fine.  Now imagine Al singing it.  It's right smack in his natural register).  Now what makes more sense to me is that the vocal was too high for AL and he passed it on to CARL...since Al theoretically wrote most of it, he'd likely be the one to get first crack at singing it.  This also makes sense to me in that Al has more of a distinct crossover in his natural voice to his higher register than Carl did, so it would be easier for Carl to negotiate the top of his full voice range (though there's some overemoted notes on that tune, I grant you).  I can see Al having said that in the interview and either accidentally getting it backwards, having it transcribed backwards, or having remembered the interview backwards.

I've heard a live version of it from '67 and it's obviously Carl on that as well.  I hesitate to contradict my esteemed friend Mr. Doe, but...Carl.

Thanks. The first few lines in particular sound so Carl to me...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 11, 2007, 05:09:50 AM
Dennis sings high on the live Never Learn on Mike Douglas.

And Slip On Through...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 11, 2007, 05:14:08 AM
Right, how's everyone fixed...is "Wind Chimes" settled?

What about the Mama Says question? How many voices are on there?

And Wonderful, which is it - girls or varispeed?



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 11, 2007, 11:35:23 AM
Real great question about Mike's falsetto!  When did he sing falsetto on the '78 tour?

"All I Want To Do" and "Cassius Love vs. Sonny Wilson" are the only two instances I can think of where Mike went for the falsetto, the latter of course making fun of Brian and not much of a performance.  But he did make the point that "anybody can sing like a mouse" so presumably he can.

Dennis could sing pretty high when he wanted to; it's shocking how similar to Brian he sounds on Mike Douglas.  He even hit some fairly high notes on POB, when he'd lost a lot of his range.  There were a lot of notes there that sounded low, but if you try to sing them, were fairly up there.  The issue with Dennis in his upper register was probably not the ability to hit the notes but to control them...if you listen to the end of "Slip On Through" carefully, you can tell what I mean by that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 11, 2007, 11:39:42 AM
Thanks. The first few lines in particular sound so Carl to me...

I guess I should have said "sound of a party", the last half of the second line.  That's the only part of the vocal that sounds "Al-like" to my ears.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 11, 2007, 11:41:46 AM
Wonderful: I'd say vari-speeded, the voices sound so strange, especially in the background during the "hey-baba-roo-ba section" I can't imagine these voices not being technically treated, judging just by the sound of them though.

Mama says: Bruce has a distinctive "sweet" voice. I don't hear it, Bruce was notably absent from vocal sessions in this period, wasn't he? Dennis: perhaps, I can't figure out how many voices are singing midrange.

Wind chimes: I think this song is in parts extremely difficult to figure out. To my ears apart from the fifth and sixth lines (identified as Brian and Carl) more lines are sung by two guys, the line right after that one for example "Now and then..." and "It's so peaceful. Close to a lullaby". I don't have a proper idea who are singing these lines, my guess would be Brian and Carl.

Apart from that I think the closeup as it is now is correct.

Re: Mike's falsetto; the chorus of Please let me wonder?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 11, 2007, 11:46:49 AM
If by Please Let Me Wander" you mean the lines "If I've been the one you love. If I'm who you're dreaming of"... that aint falsetto.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 11, 2007, 11:59:04 AM
If by Please Let Me Wander" you mean the lines "If I've been the one you love. If I'm who you're dreaming of"... that aint falsetto.

Good thing I used a ?, huh? What is it then?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 11, 2007, 12:07:57 PM
I observed the question mark, hence the answer I gave.  ;D

It's Mikes normal voice with a different quality than we are use to getting from him. Just because a person sings in the upper part of their range doesn't mean its a falsetto. Falsetto is a totally different species.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 11, 2007, 12:16:58 PM
I observed the question mark, hence the answer I gave.  ;D

It's Mikes normal voice with a different quality than we are use to getting from him. Just because a person sings in the upper part of their range doesn't mean its a falsetto. Falsetto is a totally different species.

But it's not, err.... tenor, or bariton, or something ???


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 11, 2007, 12:19:23 PM
I observed the question mark, hence the answer I gave.  ;D

It's Mikes normal voice with a different quality than we are use to getting from him. Just because a person sings in the upper part of their range doesn't mean its a falsetto. Falsetto is a totally different species.

But it's not, err.... tenor, or bariton, or something ???

Mike is baritone. A baritone can sing in a falsetto. Mike could sing that part of PLMW in a falsetto since it would fall in to that range, but he isn't singing falsetto there. (are you winding me up fellah?  :lol)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 11, 2007, 12:46:40 PM
Wonderful: I'd say vari-speeded, the voices sound so strange, especially in the background during the "hey-baba-roo-ba section" I can't imagine these voices not being technically treated, judging just by the sound of them though.

So you don't think that's girls on the "Won-won-wonderful" at the end of the first chorus?

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Mama says: Bruce has a distinctive "sweet" voice. I don't hear it, Bruce was notably absent from vocal sessions in this period, wasn't he? Dennis: perhaps, I can't figure out how many voices are singing midrange.

Agreed.

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Wind chimes: I think this song is in parts extremely difficult to figure out. To my ears apart from the fifth and sixth lines (identified as Brian and Carl) more lines are sung by two guys, the line right after that one for example "Now and then..." and "It's so peaceful. Close to a lullaby". I don't have a proper idea who are singing these lines, my guess would be Brian and Carl.

I can see this, but on that first line Brian is the loudest and the other part is clearly Carl, so I guess they're the lead vocals even if someone else is singing, so that fulfills the brief on the lead vocal for me.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 11, 2007, 01:04:49 PM
I dunno about the pitch shift allegation. Sure sounds like girls to my ears. Pitch shift (even to a minute degree as with Lennon on Strawberry Fields) has a distinct sound to it, which I just don't hear on the "One-One-Won-der-ful".

My vote is for the Honey girls.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 11, 2007, 02:45:32 PM
All I can think of is somebody slowing Wonderful down but on the session tapes it sure sounds like they are there.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on July 11, 2007, 07:03:51 PM
http://download.yousendit.com/B696388E2E470375

The first 20 seconds or so of Wonderful, pitched down 18.25 percent.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ebb and Flow on July 11, 2007, 07:42:47 PM
Considering the backing vocals in question are on the same exact track as one of Carl's leads, I think they're the girls.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 11, 2007, 08:48:22 PM
The download made it obvious that it is indeed Marilyn and Diane.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 12, 2007, 02:39:38 AM
I love this thread!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 12, 2007, 03:12:39 AM
"Wonderful" 'stoned' middle-eight:

"Everybody should just start comin' on.. comin' on, just be a cool guy... don't think you're God (pause) vibrations... let's go for the record... it's cool"

[from the session tape]

Errrr... and now, a slightly more accurate version:

"Everybody should just start coolin', quit comin' on, just be a cool guy, and don't think you're God [pause] vibrations, just don't fool around, just cool it... just cool it"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 12, 2007, 05:31:44 AM
Ha, thanks!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 12, 2007, 06:21:37 AM
http://download.yousendit.com/B696388E2E470375

The first 20 seconds or so of Wonderful, pitched down 18.25 percent.

That sure doesn't sound like any Beach Boy I know.  :o

I stick by my vote with 100% surety now. It is Marilyn and Diane.

Thanks Aegir. Good work.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on July 12, 2007, 07:13:40 AM
Not in that section, by the way.  At the very end of the song before the fade out.

As in:

Let the rain fall
Let the grass grow
Let the moon glow
On The fallen snow
But don't take her out of my life
Please keep her a part of my life

Is it possible that there is a quick rotation of vocals here between perhaps Brian, Carl and/or Al? I just get the sense that one person is not singing straight through here.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on July 12, 2007, 11:03:48 AM
I agree.  Not sure who's singing what.

Just going from memory, which is NOT the best way to figure these things out!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 12, 2007, 11:38:13 AM
Hmmmm... my very shaky take on it was:

Let the rain fall = Brian and Mike together.
Let the grass grow = sounds like Carl.
Let the moon glow = Brian
On The fallen snow = Carl and Brian?
But don't take her out of my life = Brian in his first "macho" rough voice appearance (except Baker Man ;) )
Please keep her a part of my life = Brian with Carl perhaps.

It does sound like a relay, but it might be because some parts are double tracked and some aren't?



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 13, 2007, 05:20:57 AM
Okay, since a lot of the previous quandrys are solved, let's stick a pin in "Let The Wind Blow" for now. I think either way, the basic credit is accurate, since I don't hear Al or Denny on it anyway.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 13, 2007, 05:09:20 PM
Wow, that's Alan on "Be Here In The Morning?"  I actually went to my IPod to disprove this in my arrogant little way, but on a close listen I have to admit it could well be Alan doing his best BW imitation.  Those two really did sound amazingly similar in the upper register, especially considering they weren't related.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 14, 2007, 12:55:22 AM
Please, not again !  ;D

Can't recall when, but a few years ago we almost came to blows over who was singing this. Turn's out, it is Alan.

BTW, Murry's contribution was the bass note on the word "full".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 14, 2007, 03:19:25 AM
Agreed, nothing to add.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on July 14, 2007, 05:23:35 AM
Mike's not on this one much, is he?

Least vocal involvement from Mike on a Beach Boys album?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 14, 2007, 06:00:20 AM
He was in Rishikesh, I think, for a lot of it. Something like that.

I think in terms of lead vocals, his  tally of one on L.A. Light Album is his least involved....

Are we happy with that? Transcendental Medititation is both Brian and Al, right?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 14, 2007, 06:01:53 AM
Are we happy with that? Transcendental Medititation is both Brian and Al, right?

Yes.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 14, 2007, 06:03:46 AM
Thanks, definitely two voices there, I'd say.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 14, 2007, 06:12:19 AM
I've no arguement at all with those attributions.

BTW, Mike was in Rishikesh 2/28/68 - 3/15/68, thus he's vocally absent from "Little Bird" & "Friends".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 14, 2007, 06:42:55 AM
That's interesting. How come they needed Murry for "Morning"?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on July 14, 2007, 06:52:58 AM
He was in Rishikesh, I think, for a lot of it. Something like that.

I think in terms of lead vocals, his  tally of one on L.A. Light Album is his least involved....


but is he even doing back-up on any of the other songs?  Are "Meant For You" and "Anna Lee" the only songs he performed on? 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 14, 2007, 06:57:20 AM
That's interesting. How come they needed Murry for "Morning"?

It's a pretty low note, right? Perhaps even Mike couldn't hit it. Or... he wasn't around.

Keith Badman mentions Mike's absence from the Friends session, can't remember if it's any other reason than his stay in Rishikesh. According to Wikipedia  :-\ Mike only contributed on those two songs.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 14, 2007, 08:14:29 AM
He was in Rishikesh, I think, for a lot of it. Something like that.

I think in terms of lead vocals, his  tally of one on L.A. Light Album is his least involved....


but is he even doing back-up on any of the other songs?  Are "Meant For You" and "Anna Lee" the only songs he performed on? 

Odd, very odd... could have sworn I was typing in English.

OK, in simple steps.

Mike was away in Rishikesh from February 28th to March 15th, therefore he wasn't at any vocal session held during that time (still with me ?), that is those for  "Little Bird" (2/29) and "Friends" (3/13).

The next vocal session was on March 18th for "When A Man Needs A Woman". Mike was back, so he sang on it. From March 30th to April 4th further vocal sessions were held at ID Sound for "Wake The World", "Be Here...", "Meant For You", "Anna Lee" and "Transcendental Meditation", all of which Mike was on. because he was in LA and not India. There were a few more sessions later in April, but he wasn't on those either because the band were on tour.

Hope that's clear now.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 14, 2007, 08:24:39 AM
That's interesting. How come they needed Murry for "Morning"?

It's a pretty low note, right? Perhaps even Mike couldn't hit it. Or... he wasn't around.

Keith Badman mentions Mike's absence from the Friends session, can't remember if it's any other reason than his stay in Rishikesh. According to Wikipedia  :-\ Mike only contributed on those two songs.

Wikipedia, bless it, is wrong in this instance. He's clearly audible on the chorus of "Wake The World" and the "no calls for Korthof" bit of "Be Here...".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on July 14, 2007, 08:46:09 AM
He was in Rishikesh, I think, for a lot of it. Something like that.

I think in terms of lead vocals, his  tally of one on L.A. Light Album is his least involved....


but is he even doing back-up on any of the other songs?  Are "Meant For You" and "Anna Lee" the only songs he performed on? 

Odd, very odd... could have sworn I was typing in English.

OK, in simple steps.

Mike was away in Rishikesh from February 28th to March 15th, therefore he wasn't at any vocal session held during that time (still with me ?), that is those for  "Little Bird" (2/29) and "Friends" (3/13).

The next vocal session was on March 18th for "When A Man Needs A Woman". Mike was back, so he sang on it. From March 30th to April 4th further vocal sessions were held at ID Sound for "Wake The World", "Be Here...", "Meant For You", "Anna Lee" and "Transcendental Meditation", all of which Mike was on. because he was in LA and not India. There were a few more sessions later in April, but he wasn't on those either because the band were on tour.

Hope that's clear now.



It certainly is.  Thanks.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 14, 2007, 09:31:16 AM
Wikipedia, bless it, is wrong in this instance. He's clearly audible on the chorus of "Wake The World" and the "no calls for Korthof" bit of "Be Here...".

I'm certainly not doubting the dates, but I'm not sure I can hear Mike on there; if we're talking about the basic prominent vocal line - it sounds a lot like Mike, but that "wa-ter" at the end of the third line is really Alan-ish. Unless they're both there. Or I'm wrong, both of which are very, very possible. It sounds to me that the chorus is Al on the regular melody line and Brian on the high harmony. There could be a third voice there though. I can hear Mike on the "So much brighter now" low part, so he's there, but is that him singing the regular line?

I'm just throwing it out for the sake of completism, because if that's Mike doing the regular line and not Al, Mike is the guy who deserves the chorus credit.

EDIT: Now it sounds like Mike. Al sounds like everybody, that's the problem! ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 14, 2007, 06:32:40 PM
John, my guess is that AGD was merely pointing out that Mike contributed to those songs vocally, not that he was singing lead or prominent back-ups , etc. His voice is there among those of the others.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 15, 2007, 05:25:23 AM
Yeah.

I garbled that post terribly in the phrasing. I guess all I meant to do was ask: "On  the choruses, there's two voices singing the first three lines, the high one appears to be Brian - do you think the lower one is Al or Mike?" it sounds like both. :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 16, 2007, 06:33:15 AM
Okay, let's stick a pin in the chorus of Wake The World for now, and do the next album, which I warn you is a doozy:


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 16, 2007, 06:33:54 AM
Stack O' Tracks:

All tracks instrumental.





:D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on July 16, 2007, 08:05:22 AM
Mike's not on this one much, is he?

Least vocal involvement from Mike on a Beach Boys album?

Better suited here, I suppose.  ;D

Although - to be technical - the vocals aren't completely mixed out of a few of the tracks, right?  "Little Saint Nick" comes to mind.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 16, 2007, 08:55:34 AM
HAHA, yeah, that's true. I put that album in for a goof, but I guess it's completism too. ;)

I will do 20/20 soon...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 16, 2007, 01:48:13 PM
Please, not again !  ;D

Can't recall when, but a few years ago we almost came to blows over who was singing this. Turn's out, it is Alan.

BTW, Murry's contribution was the bass note on the word "full".

No, no, I buy it.  I was just shocked when I listened carefully and realized that was, indeed, probably who it was.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 16, 2007, 01:50:35 PM

I think in terms of lead vocals, his  tally of one on L.A. Light Album is his least involved....


Another reason to love the Light Album.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 16, 2007, 02:02:12 PM
Following up on an earlier post, and listening now, the one thing I can tell you for sure is that "Transcendental Meditation" is three voices, not two (or at least three vocal PARTS).  There's a low part that's in regular voice, a pedal tone part (e.g. one that largely stays on one note) that sounds like it's in head voice, that's mixed pretty loud, and a high falsetto that's fairly far back in the mix that moves in parallel with the bottom part.  The bottom two of 'em, to my ears, are Brian.  I don't hear Alan on it, but if you tell me one of 'em is Alan on falsetto doing his best Brian imitation, I'll believe it.  The highest harmony is so far back and so high, you can't really identify it as either one of them.  I'm not trying to be obstructionist, I'm just curious: what's the source that confirms Al is singing on this one?  Because when it came up last night, I swear I went:  "wow, that's all Brian.  I never knew that before."

I know I'm a day late with this, but hey, I was away all weekend, and this came up on the ol' I-Pod shuffle yesterday, so I want to comment!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 16, 2007, 03:42:10 PM
There sounds to me like two voices on the lead which could be sloppy double-tracking, but could be two voices. After listening again to it, I think the only thing that really sounds like Al is the slightly "over-sung" "Transcendental Medi-tat-ion" at c. 1:20. I don't know whether it's not all Brian though. I think the CD booklet and subject matter (and subconsciously, the fact he sings TM Song) has prejudiced me towards thinking it's Al. It might well be a multi-tracked Brian. Taking Al out of the equation for a listen did sway me towards it all being Brian.

Throwin' this out to the floor, alongside the chorus of WTW.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: NightHider on July 16, 2007, 04:40:26 PM
Wow, that's Mike on those Wild Honey leads? THAT'S AMAZING. I honestly thought they were Brian. Go Mike!

For the latecomers - which part on WH is Amazing Mike singing?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 16, 2007, 05:17:03 PM
I think Aren't You Glad is a great lead.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 17, 2007, 04:23:30 AM
Wow, that's Mike on those Wild Honey leads? THAT'S AMAZING. I honestly thought they were Brian. Go Mike!

For the latecomers - which part on WH is Amazing Mike singing?

If you mean what I think you mean, he means the album, not the song itself..


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 17, 2007, 08:11:16 AM
I've left my Friends/20/20 twofer at work, so can't check WtW and TM.

Let's move on to 20/20!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 17, 2007, 11:21:28 AM
Sticking a pin in those? Okay!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on July 17, 2007, 12:16:37 PM
3 Prominent something:  Dennis and a girl gittin' it ohnnnnn during the fade.

Early favorite for "Best notation"? :-D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 17, 2007, 02:13:23 PM
I was gonna say "prominent humping."

And my understanding is Dennis did two "takes" to get it right?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on July 17, 2007, 02:27:42 PM
I was gonna say "prominent humping."

And my understanding is Dennis did two "takes" to get it right?

Right...it was something to do with microphone "placement"...bada bing!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 17, 2007, 07:44:21 PM
Dennis not Carl sings "We're Together Again' I asked Brian and he confirmed this. Dennis' voice was just very gentle at the time. Listen to the way he says the word again and you will hear it is him.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 18, 2007, 05:27:50 AM
Yes, he does. Good ear.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 18, 2007, 06:04:20 AM
Right, I've updated that, and taken Al out of TM for now.

This is what's outstanding (I think Let the Wind Blow has more or less been settled):

1) Please Let Me Wonder "I love you" - still in debate, since there's a problem as I see it with the isolated vocal track.

2) TM - Brian AND Al or multitracked Brian?

3) Wake The World chorus: Brian and Al or Brian and Mike?

4) Ol' Man River: Is Bruce there? Or Dennis?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 18, 2007, 02:53:47 PM
I think Bruce and Dennis are on Old Man River listening to the low end. That could be Carl though.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 18, 2007, 04:49:14 PM
Re "Old Man River":

OK, I pulled out the ol' I-Pod (let me know when everyone gets tired of me saying that) and without consulting what's already been written here, I hear Mike on the bottom, Brian on top, and when you get to the "don't plant taters" I'd say that's Carl and Al doubling each other.  For the middle of the harmony part in the beginning and end, I can't identify who's singing which part, but I do hear the timbre of Carl's and Al's voices in there.

I vote it's just the four of them and here's why:  besides the fact that I don't hear Dennis' or Bruce's voices in there (although Bruce could be one of the middle parts in the harmony section)...when you get to the "don't plant taters" part, you have Carl and Al (if my ears are correct) doubling the lead, Mike doing a low counterpoint, and Brian holding a low falsetto note by himself.  Nothing else.  I'd submit that if there were more than four people there, we'd hear them at this point, probably harmonizing to Brian's one note.  The fact that Brian's note is hanging out to dry by himself at this point in the recording makes me think there was no one else there.  From an arrangement standpoint, what they did here doesn't make any sense to me unless there were only four people.  So I vote Brian, Carl, Al and Mike for this one.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 18, 2007, 04:53:39 PM
Hold up...relating to the above post, am I listening to the wrong version of "Old Man River"?  My copy of 20/20 (the 1990 twofer with FRIENDS) only has #16, below.  The bonus tracks I have are Break Away / Celebrate The News / We're Together Again /Walk On By / Old Folks At Home-Old Man River. If that's the case, and there's a second version of "Old Man River" that I don't have on my older copy, apply the comments I just posted to #16.

20/20:


1.  Do It Again                            - Mike, Carl on the bridge 1
2.  I Can Hear Music                    - Carl 2
3.  Bluebirds Over The Mountain    - Mike (verses), Carl and Bruce (choruses)
4.  Be With Me                           - Dennis
5.  All I Want To Do                     - Mike 3
6.  The Nearest Faraway Place      - Instrumental
7.  Cotton Fields                          - Alan
8.  I Went To Sleep                      - Brian and Carl most prominent
9.  Time To Get Alone                    - Carl (verses, middle-eight), Brian and Alan 4
10. Never Learn Not To Love          - Dennis
11. Our Prayer                              - Group
12. Cabinessence                         - Carl, with Mike on the tag 5

Bonus Tracks:

13. Walk On By (Fragment)        - Brian, with Dennis
14. We're Together Again          - Dennis and Brian
15. Ol' Man River                        - Brian, Mike, Carl, Alan and Bruce in harmony
16. Old Folks At Home / Ol' Man River    - Brian, Alan and Mike (bass vocal) 
17. A Time To Live In Dreams      - Dennis

1 Prominent back-up: Brian on the "Hey now" section.
2 Prominent back-up: Mike on the bass vocal on the middle-eight.
3 Prominent something:  Dennis and a girl gittin' it ohnnnnn during the fade.
4 An officially released mix features an earlier version with Carl singing the verses and Brian sinigng the choruses and middle-eight.
5 Features Dennis singing another, totally different melodic section mixed back under the second chorus.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 19, 2007, 01:39:29 AM
The track listings here include other archive material of the relevant period from other releases (in this case, Hawthorne CA).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: matt-zeus on July 19, 2007, 04:18:37 AM
I've got the original F/2020 twofer from 1990, what is the difference of Old Man river on this and the new one as I haven't heard the new one? Is it the same one off Hawthorne?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 19, 2007, 05:24:07 AM
The Ol' Man River in contention, so to speak, is the Hawthorne, CA version:

The slow, more-or-less accapella version...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 19, 2007, 10:46:20 AM
The Ol' Man River in contention, so to speak, is the Hawthorne, CA version:

The slow, more-or-less accapella version...

Got it.  OK, so I vote Alan, Brian, Mike and Carl on the 20/20 version, and I have no idea on the Hawthorne version.  ;)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 19, 2007, 11:16:48 AM
Gotcha. I'll add Carl.

Who do you think that is on the lower part of the chorus of Wake The World? Mike or Al?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 19, 2007, 05:13:48 PM
Gotcha. I'll add Carl.

Who do you think that is on the lower part of the chorus of Wake The World? Mike or Al?

Alright, I-Pod out, listening...

OK, to my ears, that's pretty clearly Mike.  Listen to "bran' new mawrnin'" -- timbre aside, the twang and the n's at the end of the words.  Very Mike, very un-Al.  To me, no contest, Mike.  Al's pretty prominent on the "so much brighter now" part that follows immediately after, however.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Black Tiger on July 19, 2007, 09:19:57 PM
who played the harmonica on Ol man River? Tommy morgan? Brian?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 20, 2007, 01:53:13 AM
Audree.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 20, 2007, 05:03:34 AM
Quote

Alright, I-Pod out, listening...

OK, to my ears, that's pretty clearly Mike.  Listen to "bran' new mawrnin'" -- timbre aside, the twang and the n's at the end of the words.  Very Mike, very un-Al.  To me, no contest, Mike.  Al's pretty prominent on the "so much brighter now" part that follows immediately after, however.

Right.

I heard it as a Mike sounding Al, at first. But I may have been influenced by the writing credits, and thinking that I read somewhere that Mike wasn't there. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: cerro azul on July 21, 2007, 11:28:59 AM
Audree -- harmonica on "Old Man River" -- for real? (It is difficult sometimes to discern intended humor on the internet.)

With apologies for backtracking here:  Jon, the (background) voice on "No Go Showboat" does not sound to my ears like a female one -- is that Marilyn doing an imitation of Brian? (although it seems more like a "Dennis" imitation -- assuming, of course, that he had that high a range in his falsetto -- which he did not.)

Do session sheets establish that Marilyn was present for NGS? (i.e., is that the sole basis for "inferring" that she indeed is singing on NGS?  Or, is it obvious (to your ears and others) that it is in fact Marilyn?

In any event, ever since I first heard this tune back in circa 1965 (on a tinny "portable" LP player) -- I knew that there was a "different' voice present on NGS-- for awhile I assumed that it had to be David Marks (not knowing at the time that he did not sing much).




Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 21, 2007, 12:19:20 PM
It sounds to me that Marilyn is varying from the melody literally right at the end of the song, "No-go-sho-ow-boat"...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 21, 2007, 12:31:16 PM
Audree -- harmonica on "Old Man River" -- for real? (It is difficult sometimes to discern intended humor on the internet.)

Nah, 'course not.  ;D  I have no idea - Brian ? Tommy Morgan ?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 21, 2007, 03:51:50 PM
See, I totally bought it!

Dennis also was known to play bass harmonica in the '70s...just to confuse the issue some more.  ;)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ebb and Flow on July 21, 2007, 04:02:14 PM

With apologies for backtracking here:  Jon, the (background) voice on "No Go Showboat" does not sound to my ears like a female one -- is that Marilyn doing an imitation of Brian? (although it seems more like a "Dennis" imitation -- assuming, of course, that he had that high a range in his falsetto -- which he did not.)

I'll probably get raked over the coals for this, but to me, that voice sounds like Mike doing the same joke falsetto he did on "Cassius Love" a few months later.  It definitely sounds male.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: cerro azul on July 21, 2007, 05:02:54 PM
It sounds to me that Marilyn is varying from the melody literally right at the end of the song, "No-go-sho-ow-boat"...
Right -- that's the giveaway passage that confirms this is not a "normal" Beach Boy voice -- but it does not sound to me like Marilyn (or any female singer).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 22, 2007, 03:54:49 AM
Now that we're talking about  Marilyn: according to beachboysarchives.com it's Carl, Dennis and Marliyn singing the back-ups to "I'm bugged at my old man"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 22, 2007, 05:23:09 AM
It sounds to me that Marilyn is varying from the melody literally right at the end of the song, "No-go-sho-ow-boat"...
Right -- that's the giveaway passage that confirms this is not a "normal" Beach Boy voice -- but it does not sound to me like Marilyn (or any female singer).

Right. I wonder if it's an attempt at another ending - like the unused tag of Kiss Me, Baby ["Please, let's not fi-iight!"] that didn't get totally cut out. I'll just delete the reference to Marilyn since it's not that important anyway. I need to buy some damn headphones. ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 22, 2007, 04:47:28 PM
According to Brad Elliot's book Barbara Ann is Bruce.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on July 22, 2007, 05:00:02 PM
Well I don't know, to my ears, it's Al. Bruce's falsetto was just not that strong.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 23, 2007, 05:08:55 AM
It's definitely Al to my ears.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on July 27, 2007, 01:55:20 AM
Shall we move on to Sunflower?   :)

There are quite a lot of vocals on this record that I can't identify (parts of All I wanna do for example).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John 2 on July 27, 2007, 08:48:28 AM
Soon - sorry about this; bit busy and as you can tell, having computer / log-in problems - hopefully should be back to normal after the weekend, we'll do it then... ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Amy B. on July 27, 2007, 02:07:28 PM
Forgive me if I'm way off base here, but going back to No-Go Showboat, could that mystery vocalist be David Marks? I have no idea what he sounded like back then or if he was even in the band at that point, but he was pretty young, and it sounds like a young male voice.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 27, 2007, 03:50:09 PM
Good.  That'll give me a chance to find SUNFLOWER and put it on my IPod!  My copy of SURF'S UP may no longer be playable (I don't have the twofers but the 1990 original CDs), dammit, because I'm enjoying the exercise of relistening to this stuff with fresh and more experienced ears. 

Likewise, I did dig out my copy of HAWTHORNE but I only have one disc and of course it's the one that doesn't have "Walk On By" on it.

Assuming we prove that it's Al on falsetto (I don't have it here to check, but that's my recollection too) how about a prominent backup for Bruce on "Barbara Ann" for "Tried Carl Wilson and I knew he wouldn't do?"  ;)



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: cerro azul on July 27, 2007, 05:49:42 PM
Forgive me if I'm way off base here, but going back to No Go Showboat, could that mystery vocalist be David Marks? I have no idea what he sounded like back then or if he was even in the band at that point, but he was pretty young, and it sounds like a young male voice.
I an now inclined to come full circle on this -- absent any other evidence, who else but David Marks could this be?  (I don't think this was an instance of Mike Love's "mock" falsetto as was suggested in a previous post.)  Unless perhaps some anonymous "session" musician was given his vocal "moment in the sun" here.....
What does give me pause, though, is this: I would have thought Jon Stebbins would have jumped on this by now (confirming this to be David's voice). (Maybe Mr. Stebbins has not been reading this thread?) The only other instance of David Marks' singing as a Beach Boy (that I know of) is his duet with Carl on "Summertime Blues" -- and it is impossible to identify distinguishing characteristics in David's voice in that instance (to compare with the vocal snippet in No Go Showboat).  Does anyone know of any other (confirmed) instances of David Marks singing (background vocals or otherwise) for the BB's?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on July 27, 2007, 06:17:25 PM
I guarantee Dave's voice is minimally used on a few things on the first and second LPs but to distinguish which is nearly impossible as he was trained by Brian to double Dennis' parts. I get into this in more detail in the Lost Beach Boy book. Identification of the Marks voice is also tough because he was 13 and his voice changed rapidly over the next several years. The guy who sang Summertime Blues in '62 sounds a lot different than the guy who sang lead on the Marksmen singles in '64 and waaay different than the guy who sang lead on two Moon tracks in '67...its all David and it sounds like three distinct people, simply because he was 13, then 15 and then 19 and his voice went through a huge maturation process. No Go Showboat? I doubt it, but its certainly possible. We haven't nailed down LDC LP sessions because documentation is non existent and the third and fourth LP sessions are a blur to the BB's themselves, because of overlap and touring schedule. We just figured out that Dave was still playing with the BB's through the LDC LP sessions only recently...for decades we were told his picture was on the LP cover but he wasn't really there anymore...now we know that was not the case. He left the BB's after the LP had been mastered...so NGSB could be him...but personally I think its a long shot.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: cerro azul on July 27, 2007, 06:55:31 PM
Any guesses, then, as to whose voice it might be (on No Go Showboat)? (If not David's)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John 2 on August 01, 2007, 07:28:20 AM
 :'(

Sorry guys, still snowed under for a few more days....


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John 2 on August 09, 2007, 12:40:50 PM
Edited - please see corrected version on Page 38.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John 2 on August 09, 2007, 12:48:35 PM
This needs a lot of work, guys, particularly in the terminology of some of these vocals. Help!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: linusoli on August 09, 2007, 05:44:14 PM
The "bop bop dittlieits" or whatever in Add Some Music are harmonized between at least two voices...I'm not even sure I hear Dennis in there. Maybe Al and Carl? Brian?

Who's singing the "All I wanna do" in that song? In the bridge---sounds like Bruce maybe?

I'd put Brian down for prominent backup in "Our Sweet Love" the "doo doo doo doo" ...if only because it's the only vocal on the original track and it's just so damned beautiful.

Who's singing "fly away" in At My Window? Maybe Brian?

Finally, what does Bruce sing in I Just Got My Pay?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Amy B. on August 09, 2007, 07:46:30 PM
Who sings the "add some music, please add some music" background? Isn't that Dennis?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on August 09, 2007, 08:14:00 PM
I think Bruce's part in "I Just Got My Pay" is the "let's take off our clothes and hop into bed" line.

But man, I was really hoping that Add Some Music was going to come with a line by line analysis of who's singing what. I can tell Mike and Bruce apart from the others fine, but Carl, Al, and Brian sound so similar sometimes.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on August 10, 2007, 05:58:35 AM
Who's singing "fly away" in At My Window? Maybe Brian?

I thought that was Bruce.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John 2 on August 10, 2007, 07:53:09 AM
Me too. That sounds like Bruce.


I'm gonna still be fairly scarce for a short while, but I'll get onto these, and address each point as they come up.

Aegir is right about the Bruce part in I Just Got My Pay, and I'll do a close up on Add Some Music...good idea.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on August 10, 2007, 10:59:06 AM
Yes John...you got it right now. If you listen to a vocals only version of ASMTYD its really clear that Dennis is the most prominent voice in the Add Some, Add Some, Music to Your Day bits that you highlight in the breakdown of the song in this thread.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 10, 2007, 03:39:30 PM
I'm gonna shoot MYSELF down here:  I've always felt that the "what could I say/that you ran away" line of Deirdre was someone other than Bruce...timbre wise it sounds more like Al or Brian.  I just listened to it again and I think I was wrong...it's an aural illusion created by multi-tracking.  Darn it, I thought I had a fun thing to add, too...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on August 11, 2007, 05:15:26 AM


Who's singing the "All I wanna do" in that song? In the bridge---sounds like Bruce maybe? Brian


Who's singing "fly away" in At My Window? Maybe Brian? I thought it was Brian too. Never thought of Bruce. Still betting on Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on August 11, 2007, 06:16:18 AM
I'm gonna shoot MYSELF down here:  I've always felt that the "what could I say/that you ran away" line of Deirdre was someone other than Bruce...timbre wise it sounds more like Al or Brian.  I just listened to it again and I think I was wrong...it's an aural illusion created by multi-tracking.  Darn it, I thought I had a fun thing to add, too...


I always thought it sounded like Al, too!  Darn aural illusions! :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John 2 on August 16, 2007, 08:59:13 AM
Edited - please see Page 38 for the corrected version.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on August 16, 2007, 11:09:24 AM
Pretty sure thats Mike on the coda of Surf's Up.. Not Al. Maybe... What do you guys think?


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Post by: No. Fourteen on August 16, 2007, 11:15:09 AM
Almost certain that's Mr. Jardine.


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Post by: SloopJohnB on August 16, 2007, 12:45:08 PM
If we're talking about "a children's song, have you listened as they played?... etc" I'm quite sure it's Al.


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Post by: pixletwin on August 16, 2007, 01:03:07 PM
If we're talking about "a children's song, have you listened as they played?... etc" I'm quite sure it's Al.

Yeah thats the part I mean... Anyone in the know want to help settle this?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 16, 2007, 06:39:32 PM
It's Alan. We settled this some time ago.

Firstly, someone who has access to the tapes isolated the vocal, and stated categorically it was Alan.

Secondly, for good measure, he got in touch with Alan, who confirmed it.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 16, 2007, 06:44:32 PM
"Tree" coda:

"Trees like me weren't meant to live/if all this earth can give/is pollution and slow death" - VDP

"Oh Lord I lay me down/my branches to the ground (or 'no life's left to be found')/there's nothing left for me" - ACJ


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 16, 2007, 06:47:53 PM
"Feet" middle-eight - "if you wanna do the right thing for 'em/just take a walk in the grass/but don't you catch yourself fallin'" - sounds more like Brian to these ears.


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Post by: pixletwin on August 16, 2007, 07:32:33 PM
That crazy sonic chemeleon known as Alan Jardine! Who doesn't that guy sound like? Next thing someone is gonna tell me that he sang back up on Elvis' Suspicious Minds!


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Post by: CosmicDancer on August 17, 2007, 05:27:17 AM
That crazy sonic chemeleon known as Alan Jardine! Who doesn't that guy sound like? Next thing someone is gonna tell me that he sang back up on Elvis' Suspicious Minds!

Nope, Al actually sang the lead on it!   :lol


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Post by: James Hughes-Clarke on August 17, 2007, 06:44:28 AM
"Feet" middle-eight - "if you wanna do the right thing for 'em/just take a walk in the grass/but don't you catch yourself fallin'" - sounds more like Brian to these ears.

That's Al for me - the giveaway is his tone on the word 'walk'.


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Post by: pixletwin on August 17, 2007, 07:38:57 AM
That crazy sonic chemeleon known as Alan Jardine! Who doesn't that guy sound like? Next thing someone is gonna tell me that he sang back up on Elvis' Suspicious Minds!

Nope, Al actually sang the lead on it!   :lol

 :lol Well I might as well give these ears of mine to Goodwill...  :lol


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Post by: John 2 on August 17, 2007, 08:07:46 AM
I think it's Al on the Feet middle-eight, too. Al is definitely the hardest guy to idenify - he can sounds identical to Brian, Carl and Mike at various times.


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Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on August 17, 2007, 08:49:19 AM
"Tree" coda:

"Trees like me weren't meant to live/if all this earth can give/is pollution and slow death" - VDP

"Oh Lord I lay me down/my branches to the ground (or 'no life's left to be found')/there's nothing left for me" - ACJ

Wow! I never realised that VDP sang on this song! I've noticed that since Smiley Smile, the read on vocals has been much tougher because the share leads and they can all sound alike. In fact I was listening to 'Looking At Tommorow' which I believe is Al, but could also sound like Bruce (without vibrato).


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Post by: adamghost on August 17, 2007, 01:25:54 PM
"Feet" middle-eight - "if you wanna do the right thing for 'em/just take a walk in the grass/but don't you catch yourself fallin'" - sounds more like Brian to these ears.

I wondered about this too, motivating a trip to the I-Pod.

First off, it's panned hard right, which means it's almost certainly on a different track than Al's lead.

Second, it's two voices singing together (or just possibly three).

Here's the aural impression I get, word by word:

"wanna do" sounds like Al's timbre.

"for 'em" sounds like Brian (or Carl...the classic Wilson "curl" at the end of the note).

"Take a walk" sounds like Brian.

"Grass" sounds like Brian and possibly Bruce.

"Fallin'" sounds like Al and Brian together.

Since I keep hearing one or the other timbre sticking out of there, it's on a separate track(s) from the lead, and it's clearly two voices, my guess is that it's Al and Brian singing together in unison.  The last line is the one that sounds most clearly that way.  I wouldn't stake my life on it, but I'd bet $20 on it.


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Post by: adamghost on August 17, 2007, 01:27:29 PM
I don't know if it's useful information, but all the backing vocals on "Feel Flows" are Carl and Marilyn (per Marilyn).


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Post by: MBE on August 17, 2007, 01:52:58 PM
Brian also sings the White Puffs part of Feel Flows.


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Post by: adamghost on August 17, 2007, 03:30:24 PM
Brian also sings the White Puffs part of Feel Flows.

We're talking about the white hot glistening shadowy flow bit, right?  Did he?  I wondered about there being someone else on there.  Good to know. 


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Post by: MBE on August 17, 2007, 09:43:45 PM
Desper had gone into it I think in his book but definately online. I think David Marks talked about Brian drinking Melon liquer and singing it laying down tipsey.


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Post by: John 2 on August 18, 2007, 08:29:28 AM
Desper had gone into it I think in his book but definately online. I think David Marks talked about Brian drinking Melon liquer and singing it laying down tipsey.

I think that's Long Promised Road.

I was sure I heard Bruce on Feel Flows, but I could be wrong; oh, and I'll alter "Feet".



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Post by: MBE on August 19, 2007, 12:24:34 AM
Desper had gone into it I think in his book but definately online. I think David Marks talked about Brian drinking Melon liquer and singing it laying down tipsey.

I think that's Long Promised Road.

I was sure I heard Bruce on Feel Flows, but I could be wrong; oh, and I'll alter "Feet".



Marks was refering to the other song but I quote Steve Desper from his book "The ending "White Puffs" vocals are Brian, Carl and Bruce around a stereo microphone doubled."


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Post by: John 2 on August 19, 2007, 07:41:08 AM
Aha! I'm glad I was right about Bruce as well.  ;D


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Post by: MBE on August 19, 2007, 02:05:40 PM
Looking at the tag of Til I De. Brian does the real high "Untill I Die" that leads into it.


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Post by: adamghost on August 19, 2007, 07:15:15 PM
Aha! I'm glad I was right about Bruce as well.  ;D

I'd always thought I'd heard Bruce as well, but I just put it down to it being a Marilyn soundalike, so that's good to know.

Now here's question, backtracking a bit:  Stebbins had said Dave Marks doubled Dennis on some vocal tracks...was one of them "Surfin' USA"?  I'd always heard an unfamiliar voice in the mix and it just now came up on the IPod, it seems to be doubling Dennis' part, though I didn't listen all that closely.


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on August 19, 2007, 10:16:17 PM
Aha! I'm glad I was right about Bruce as well.  ;D

I'd always thought I'd heard Bruce as well, but I just put it down to it being a Marilyn soundalike, so that's good to know.

Now here's question, backtracking a bit:  Stebbins had said Dave Marks doubled Dennis on some vocal tracks...was one of them "Surfin' USA"?  I'd always heard an unfamiliar voice in the mix and it just now came up on the IPod, it seems to be doubling Dennis' part, though I didn't listen all that closely.

Its possible. That would fall into the period when Dave was occasionally doing this(First two LPs and/or first few Capitol singles). Since he rehearsed the parts and also sang them live its really hard for him to remember, or even know, which ones might have made it to record. But if there's a second voice doubling Dennis, and you can hear what the others are doing independently that double very well could be David in the mix.


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Post by: adamghost on August 20, 2007, 01:32:28 PM
Its possible. That would fall into the period when Dave was occasionally doing this(First two LPs and/or first few Capitol singles). Since he rehearsed the parts and also sang them live its really hard for him to remember, or even know, which ones might have made it to record. But if there's a second voice doubling Dennis, and you can hear what the others are doing independently that double very well could be David in the mix.

OK, went back to listen with the cans on:

The part I'm hearing is the low one in the background triad, which stays on the same note through most of the verse (and thus is the simplest, because it's mostly the same note, so it's the one you'd logically assign to the weakest harmony singer).  It does sound to me like Dennis and someone else, because I hear the tone of Dennis' voice, but also a more nasal tonality overlaying it that's different from Dennis'.  It's also an unusually prominent part in the mix, which you'd expect if there was an additional voice in there.

For the other parts, I hear Brian on top, and I assume it's Carl in the middle, but all I can tell you for sure is that it doesn't sound unlike him.  It's the least prominent part volume-wise and the middle harmony is the hardest one to tease out on its own.  It sounds as much like Al as Carl to me.  I have to say that on the unison "Surfin' USA" there's a timbre in the mix that sounds very like Al's.  It could just be that "Hawthorne twang" producing that sound.  I don't know.  I know nothing about the sessions or anything like that, I'm just going by aural evidence only.  Anyway, I can't imagine why they'd do a vocal that was Brian-Al-Dennis/David if Carl was around, and whoever I hear doubling Dennis (if that's what I'm hearing, it could just be an "aural illusion") definitely isn't Carl or Al, so it's probably Carl in the middle.

Anyway, it probably doesn't matter.  I just am enjoying listening to this stuff and picking it apart (probably a little too much).


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on August 20, 2007, 03:27:15 PM
Nice work Adam! Its a sure thing Al was not around for that session. After the last Hite Morgan session Feb '62 Al didn't participate in a BB's recording session until the Surfer Girl LP sessions in July '63, so it would be impossible for his voice to be on the Surfin' USA single recorded in Jan. '63. Sometimes Al is foggy in his recollection, but Dave remembers clearly at which point Al re-joined for sessions (Catch A Wave, In My Room, Boogie Woodie) as the SOT's  & session tapes clearly prove with his name being called out by Murray through the talk back.


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Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on August 20, 2007, 03:44:53 PM
There are a lot of times that I hear unfamiliar voices on the earlier sessions that Al wasn't around for.  There were times I suspected that Al had snuck in or that another singing friend of Brian's came by.  There are lots of times where I'd be willing to swear on some sort of holy book that there is somebody besides Brian, Mike, Carl, Dennis, or David on certain songs of that era.


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Post by: adamghost on August 20, 2007, 06:11:53 PM
There are a lot of times that I hear unfamiliar voices on the earlier sessions that Al wasn't around for.  There were times I suspected that Al had snuck in or that another singing friend of Brian's came by.  There are lots of times where I'd be willing to swear on some sort of holy book that there is somebody besides Brian, Mike, Carl, Dennis, or David on certain songs of that era.

I've had the same thought.  Isn't there some evidence to that effect?  Didn't Gary Usher sing on some of the first album?


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Post by: adamghost on August 20, 2007, 06:45:24 PM
This made me wonder if it was possible to pick out enough of the backup vocalists on the rest of the album to give us some clues of the working process...again, just going by my ears without knowledge of the session sheets...so I gave SURFIN' USA a once over with the headphones.  I don't have a piano in front of me to double check the parts, but here's what I got:

FARMER'S DAUGHTER
Harmony stack:  I hear four parts:  Mike on bottom, then Carl (the pedal tone or pivot note), then Dennis, then Brian.  Brian's double tracked lead is in another channel, so it was likely overdubbed.

LONELY SEA
Harmony stack:  I hear the same configuration, same overdubbed Brian lead vocal, opposite panning.  Really sloppy performance.  You can hear the four parts clearly at the end:  Dennis and Brian on counterpoint, Carl (barely audible) and Mike on the response part.

SHUT DOWN
Harmony stack:  Same configuration (except Mike has the lead vocal), although it sounds like Dennis' part may be below Carl's this time.  I'm not 100% sure though without a piano in front of me.  But you can hear everyone's voices very clearly at different places (Carl's very audible at :45), so the personnel's not in question.

NOBLE SURFER
Harmony stack:  Mike's "no bull" bass line is on his lead vocal track.  As for the stack, this is interesting.  I hear 3 parts this time, Dennis is now on the bottom, which you can hear clearly at :11 when he gets confused and winds up scooping up to Carl's part (which he keeps doing at the end of the phrase through the song, so that every harmony phrase ends in two parts).  I don't hear a bass part, but again, it sounds like Dennis' part is being doubled by someone else.  You can hear this most clearly at around 1:34 when someone goes off key in that part.  Again, there's a nasal tonality that doesn't sound like Dennis.  Is this David Marks?  Or is it Mike?  (There's no low part)  At first I thought I heard Mike in there, but now I don't think I do.

Harmony stack-wise, it sounds similar to "Surfin' USA" other than the stereo mix being different.  Was "Noble Surfer" done at the same session by any chance?

That's as far as I got before work called...


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Post by: adamghost on August 20, 2007, 08:01:47 PM
I listened to the last two vocal tracks when I got home...

LANA
background stack:  Mike-Carl-Dennis-Brian from lowest to highest

FINDER'S KEEPERS
Same thing.  There MIGHT be a fifth voice in there carrying the pedal tone across the up-down "Finders Keepers" part, but I don't specifically hear one.  There's more reverb here and the harmony is more complex, so it's harder to pick things out.

Judging by the panning (because it's center channel), it sounds like Brian's "she said" vocal might have been on the background vocal track, and brought up and panned away from the hard left panning of the rest of the track for the lead vocal turn.  Mike's vocal is panned far right, so it doesn't appear to be on the same track as his.  Although it could be, and they just moved the pan fader center. 


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 21, 2007, 05:21:01 AM
Alan was still in touch with Brian and co. after leaving the band - for some further details, check out the 'In The Beginning' page on Bellagio 10452.


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on August 21, 2007, 09:30:56 AM
Alan was still in touch with Brian and co. after leaving the band - for some further details, check out the 'In The Beginning' page on Bellagio 10452.

Al may have been going to the malt shop with Dennis on occasion but I truly doubt he attended any BB's recording sessions between Feb. '62 and July '63. When he came back to sub for Brian on March 29th 1963 it was a major revelation to the guys in the band and to Murry. Gotta remember the other BB's and Murry were extremely ticked off at Al for how he handled his initial stint in the group. Ron Swallow's quote was they all said "Screw Al we don't need him." Al himself recounted to me they were very disappointed with him and it took him a good while of groveling to get back into the circle.  On the subject of Al coming back in late March Murry said, "No recording sessions, no royalties," But... Since Brian was threatening to quit for good, the others relented and in fact were happy to keep the ball rolling with Al, he saved the day, they welcomed him "back" it was a BIG deal. My point, if Al had been coming in and rehearsing the parts and participating on the recording sessions in between I doubt the evidence would weigh so heavily in the direction that he did not. I realize Al has blurred the period when he was gone with conveniently foggy recollection, and has said he was still around and all that, and the BB's pr machine consistently played down his departure in the post 1963 years. But if you can shed yourselves of all that and go into the factual realm of 1962 and early 1963 press releases, articles, quotes within context, and memories of those who were there it seems to me Al was not a welcome figure, in fact he was NEVER mentioned as a former Beach Boy or anything else in any writings from the time. Its as if he never existed in the BB's story, very similar to what they did to David in the years ahead. Now Gary Usher on the other hand was around, everybody remembers him. David recalls him playing the guitar intro on Lonely Sea. I would not doubt his voice could be on some '62 stuff, and Derry Weaver was hanging around during the first LP sessions. I believe the second LP, other than Loney Sea, is self contained to the five( and one possible Italian drummer on a certain song, err) Beach Boys. The third LP has a VERY different vocal texture in places (Catch A Wave, In My Room) and I feel this is purely because of the addition of Al to the blend.


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Post by: adamghost on August 21, 2007, 09:54:56 AM
Do we know what the recording date for "Noble Surfer" was and if it's the same day as "Surfin' USA"?  Or perhaps that they were done on 3-track and the others on 4?

Every other track on the album, from what I can tell, has the Wilsons and Mike on backup and no one else that I can perceive.  If Dave's on those records vocally I'd bet it's those two.  It'd be interesting to see if we can confirm it in some way.

Another possible reason why that might be was if the lead vocal for each (Mike) was done simultaneously with the backups.  Brian might have wanted to double Dennis' part to compensate for the lack of a bass vocal and strengthen the blend without Mike.  All the other ones to me clearly sound like the lead vocal was dubbed at a different time from the backups.  Come to think of it, they both also have overdubbed keyboard solos as well.  Right off the bat, that shouldn't affect the track lineup on the tape (since you could put it on the same track as the lead vocal) but that could have affected the calculation in some way that's not occurring to me right now.


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Post by: John 2 on August 21, 2007, 12:01:13 PM
Adam, can you please lend that harmony-defining ear of yours to the accapellas and confirm who's on 'em? Thanks!

A Young Man Is Gone
The Lord's Prayer
Auld Lang Syne
And Your Dream Comes True
Mama Says


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Post by: adamghost on August 21, 2007, 03:19:45 PM
Adam, can you please lend that harmony-defining ear of yours to the accapellas and confirm who's on 'em? Thanks!

A Young Man Is Gone
The Lord's Prayer
Auld Lang Syne
And Your Dream Comes True
Mama Says


I'll give it a shot, though I'm wishing I had better headphones here at work now that I'm under pressure!

And Your Dream Comes True
four parts to my ears
Mike on bottom
Carl's next, although he might cross over someone around :43
Brian's on top on the right channel, but what's weird is, particularly in left channel of the stereo version there's someone the next part down who's a bit pitchy who also sounds like Brian. 

I went back the recording snippet from Hawthorne where Bruce is calling the takes and there's clearly four people there and someone other than Brian is singing that part, but even in that context, it still sounds like Brian to me.  If not Brian, it sounds most like Bruce, but it's obviously not him, since he's directing the session from the booth.  The person who asks "is there going to be four sections?" sounds like Al, but not conclusively so.  Having isolated the part, it really sounds only a little like Al at the "in" and not like Dennis at all.

I went to c-man's exhaustive exhumation of the Summer Days sessions at http://www.beachboysarchives.com/ to see what he said.  According to him, it's Al.  And I agree the guy speaking in the studio tape sounds like Al.  So it just goes to show you how much those guys sound alike, even in an a cappella mode, and particularly how much Al could sound like Brian in the falsetto range, because I would have said it was Brian.  (or did Al "miss the boat" for this session and it's really an unidentified fourth person?  Hmm....)


Mama Said
Mike on bottom
Al next
Carl next (he's always quiet in the mix, damn him)
Brian on top

I only hear four parts...I'd have to go to a piano to be absolutely sure.

Auld Lang Syne
starts out with Mike and Brian as the dominant voices, although I think Al is doubling Mike and Carl (and Dennis?) doubling Brian in the initial two part section.

main part:
After listening quite a bit, I would say it's all five of them.  You can hear Dennis clearly at :29 singing "Syne my dear" (he also seems to count in the track on the alternate version without the voice over) and once again Al sounding very like Brian in the second highest part, although it sounds like they're all swapping registers throughout...early on it sounds like Dennis is the second lowest and later it sounds like Carl.  I wouldn't swear to it being five parts without a piano in front of me but I'm pretty sure it is.  What a great arrangement.

What's interesting, on further listening, is until the obvious edit at :27 I only hear four voices distinctly.  It seems to go to five after the edit.  Was Dennis absent for the first section?

I don't seem to have the other two on my IPod...what albums are they on?  I can look for 'em when I get home.


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Post by: pixletwin on August 21, 2007, 03:29:52 PM
And Your Dreams Come True

Brian
Carl
Dennis
Mike

To my ears.


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Post by: adamghost on August 21, 2007, 03:35:57 PM
OK, I have to admit this started to really bug me -- I can totally hear how "dream comes" would make one think of Dennis -- and I went back and listened some more.  But hearing the part over and over I am starting to hear Al's timbre sticking out a bit. If you listen to the Hawthorne session excerpt and pick out that particular part, you can hear a nasal tonality (particularly on "that") that Dennis just didn't use.

There's also a bit of a smoking gun on the session tape in that at :03 you can hear Carl say:  "Two...Al, it's just two..."  So Al is definitely there.

Now there is one codicil to this and that is that the Hawthorne excerpt only has them rehearsing the first two lines of the song and it's clear that they were doing it in "four sections."  So it is conceivable that somewhere mid-recording Al had to leave for some reason and Dennis took over his part, which would explain the pitchiness at the end (or the difference in the timbre if by chance Dennis doubled Al's part).

My personal feeling is that it's Al all the way, albeit not sounding very like himself, but on the basis of those final two lines I can see why others would be convinced Dennis is there.  It seems pretty certain that it's at least partly Al based on the session tapes.


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Post by: adamghost on August 21, 2007, 04:37:40 PM
All right...I realize I'm getting totally obsessive over this...but...

What if Bruce doubled Al's part?  That would explain the softer tonality that didn't sound like any one of the BBs individually, the coming apart of the vocal at the end, and, if Bruce and Al doubled in real time, why that part is so heavily weighted in the left channel.  Bruce couldn't have been part of the original stack because he was in the control room -- but not for the overdub.  He could have easily come out and joined the band for the double-tracking and either traded places with Al OR sang Al's part with him if Brian felt that the part needed reinforcing on the double-track (it's nowhere near as prominent in the Hawthorne single track mix as it is in the final version, which indicates that the left channel track was the overdub...in fact, you can barely hear Brian in the left channel). 

There's slight evidence that this might have happened at :51, because it sounds like that vocal line splits, with one note being held and another moving upward in counterpoint.  Or it could be that Brian added Bruce to the harmony at this point to achieve this splitting effect (making it five parts at that one section, necessitating an extra singer).

OK, I know, I'm nuts.  But that would explain the effect I feel like I'm hearing.  Anyway, there's a lot of voices and a lot of reverb, so who knows.

One more bit of evidence that it's not Dennis would be that Dennis is not heard on the session tape, and he's not exactly a shrinking violet in the studio...although I don't have the whole SOT series to confirm this.

p.s.  A further thought -- If there are two voices on Al's part in the left channel, perhaps to reinforce a weak harmony part in the overall mix and to add that little extra part at :51, is it because Brian actually overdubbed himself separately, doubling (or actually tripling) Al's part?  With only two tracks used for vocals (which is what I assume), it would not have been a problem.  That would explain why it sounds more like Brian to me than anyone else.  OK I'll let it go now...step away from the IPod...


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Post by: John 2 on August 22, 2007, 07:32:36 AM
I don't seem to have the other two on my IPod...what albums are they on?  I can look for 'em when I get home.

Wow, thanks!

A Young Man is Gone is on Little Deuce Coupe and the Lord's Prayer is on Hawthorne or (I think) the 1990 Christmas album CD.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 22, 2007, 11:15:59 AM
Do we know what the recording date for "Noble Surfer" was and if it's the same day as "Surfin' USA"?  Or perhaps that they were done on 3-track and the others on 4?

"SUSA" was recorded January 5th at Western, "NS" recorded February 11th at Capitol.


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Post by: adamghost on August 22, 2007, 12:04:50 PM
Well that shoots a big hole in that theory.  Were any other vocal tracks cut on the same day as either of those two, Andrew?  (I suppose I should just go to the Bellagio site and look for myself)


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Post by: adamghost on August 22, 2007, 05:10:02 PM
OK, I looked...judging by Andrew's site, "Noble Surfer" was cut on the same day as three instrumentals, and if it's in order, it was the last thing cut.   That could well mean that Mike wasn't even at that session and if so, it's conceivable that at the end of the day they went ahead and did the backup vocals without him.  The only problem with this idea is it would mean that they did the backup vocals in advance of the lead vocal...which is a little unusual, but there's no reason they couldn't have done it that way, particularly a band as harmony-centric as the BBs.  There's no aural indication that they were cut at the same time (e.g. Mike's lead is on another track and there's no bleed-through of the other guys singing that I could hear).

The next day they did "Finder's Keepers," "Surf Jam," and "Stoked."  I don't have the IPod handy to check but isn't Mike Love audible in some way (either spoken voice and/or sax) on these latter two instrumental tracks?  I guess it doesn't matter either way but if you can hear Mike on those two tracks and not the first three instrumentals, it would add slightly more weight to the idea that we wasn't there for the earlier session.  Which also doesn't prove anything, since just because he wasn't there for "Noble Surfer" doesn't mean they necessarily cut all the vocals that day...or does it?  Andrew, how does that work?  Could Mike have worked on the "Noble Surfer" vocal at the same time they cut the vocals for "Finder's Keepers", the following day?  Would that be reflected on the union log for the next day or would they bother?

If everything on Andrew's site is in recording order, you could construct a scenario where, under the gun to complete the album, Brian, Denny, Carl and Dave cut the three instrumentals and the fourth track for "Noble Surfer" and Brian goes ahead and cuts the backup track with Dave doubling Denny to get ahead on the next day's work.  First thing the next day they go to work on the remainder of the tracks, cutting Mike's vocal on "Surfer" in the process.

Hell, it's all speculation, but it fits the facts and the sound of the track.  And it's fun.  Now back to shell pleadings...


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Post by: adamghost on August 23, 2007, 01:11:14 PM
THE LORD'S PRAYER

OK, this one was a bitch, and because I suspect it's going to be controversial, I'm going to go through the listening process.

At first listen, I would have said five parts, they're all there, for sure Brian, Carl, Mike and Al, with Al appearing to dominate the harmony stack at "give us this day our daily bread," and Dennis' participation being the X factor.  Then I listened more closely and I could not find more than four parts at any point in the song.  It definitely ends on only four parts.  Also, every time the band got into close harmony, it was when Mike left the bass range.  Thus it pretty much has to be just four parts.  The four voices are thus:

Brian's falsetto
A higher "rounder" tonality that's the lowest in the mix (vocal "A")
A lower, grainier tonality that's further up in the mix (vocal "B")
Mike's bass line

It's easiest to tease these apart on the very last line, and that's where the troubles began.  Vocal A was definitely a Wilson and if I had to guess I would have said Dennis.  No way it's Al...the tone is too "round".  Vocal B could be either Carl or Alan, but not Dennis.  Likewise, too grainy/nasal.

From a default standpoint, I would have then said (in this order) Mike, Al, Carl, Brian.  Vocal A is high, it's tricky, and unusually for Dennis, he never sticks out in the mix, so it's obvious to ascribe it to Carl.  Also, Al clearly dominates the stack at the "daily bread" line.  Yet, Vocal B sounded a little soft and round for Carl, and there were parts I felt I heard Carl clearly at Vocal A.  Plus, Carl's default position was below Al in the stack, although that doesn't seem to have always been the case.

So I went back to the "daily bread" line and listened more carefully.  Even though the phrasing of that sounds exactly like Al's, if you listen around that line where the doubling comes apart slightly (it's most pronounced at "evil") and you can hear the individual vocals on that part, suddenly you hear Carl.  Then listen to "power" and "glory".  Vocal B is the one that's moving more, Vocal A is the one that has lest movement.  "Power" is much more Carl-like but more importantly, "glory" is unmistakably Dennis (listen to the way he hits the "ry"...he scoops up to the note).  Also listen to Vocal B at the closing "amen" where it comes apart slightly.  You can hear the individual voices and it's clearly Carl.  So Al's presence on the song, seemingly obvious, would appear to be an aural illusion created by Carl's voice being doubletracked in that range, which would make him sound grainier in spots and more Al-like.

The Lord's Prayer:
Mike - bottom
Carl - next (except in a couple of spots where I think he crosses into the upper register)
Dennis - next
Brian - top


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 23, 2007, 01:58:40 PM
Which also doesn't prove anything, since just because he wasn't there for "Noble Surfer" doesn't mean they necessarily cut all the vocals that day...or does it?  Andrew, how does that work?  Could Mike have worked on the "Noble Surfer" vocal at the same time they cut the vocals for "Finder's Keepers", the following day?  Would that be reflected on the union log for the next day or would they bother?

If everything on Andrew's site is in recording order, you could construct a scenario where, under the gun to complete the album, Brian, Denny, Carl and Dave cut the three instrumentals and the fourth track for "Noble Surfer" and Brian goes ahead and cuts the backup track with Dave doubling Denny to get ahead on the next day's work.  First thing the next day they go to work on the remainder of the tracks, cutting Mike's vocal on "Surfer" in the process.

Hell, it's all speculation, but it fits the facts and the sound of the track.  And it's fun.  Now back to shell pleadings...

Mike says "Stooooked" on, well, "Stoked".

Thing to remember is that while it's highly likely that the band cut the complete track in one session on these early albums, the AFM sheets don't yea or nay this. Because AFM stands for "American Federation of Musicians", not singers..  :)

As for the song order on my listing - don't invest it with too much significance. I have no idea what order they were recorded in.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 23, 2007, 05:53:42 PM
Thanks Andrew...I'd bet then that Mike wasn't at the first session.  If so, that might explain Dave's presence (if he is indeed there) on the background vocal track.

Re:  "A Young Man's Gone":  I couldn't find a copy of that at home last night.  I did just listen to a 30 second sample of an mp3 online in not very good fidelity, but even going just by that, it sounds like four parts: Mike-Carl-Al-Brian bottom to top to me, which is exactly what one would expect.  For sure on the Mike, Carl and Brian and about 80% sure on the Al.  Did someone think they heard Dennis in there?  Granted, it wasn't a good fidelity mp3, but I don't hear any trace of him.  And I've never seen or heard any version of it that he sang on.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 23, 2007, 06:48:17 PM
Auld Lang Syne - correction

After the in-depth listening to "Lord's Prayer" and the "Jardine illusion" I started to question my own ears on "Auld Lang Syne" and went back and dissected it part by part on better headphones and I think I blew it...I don't think Al is on there.  The reason I thought "Al sounded like Brian" is that it was Carl.  There's a spot around :19 where Carl sounds like Al, but there are other places in the song where you can tell there are only four voices, and there's no question Dennis and Carl are both there, both from the voices in the pre-song chatter and throughout the song:  at :35 where Dennis' voice sticks out, you can hear Carl crossing over to sing parallel above him, Mike comes up under and Brian comes down, and there's just no fifth part there.  Ditto at :44, where Brian pedals, Carl moves down, and Mike and Dennis move down more sharply in parallel.  Again, no fifth part.  Finally, the last flourish, Mike and Brian pedal in octaves (mostly) and Carl and Dennis move around in rough parallel in the middle.  No other part that I can discern.  I should have listened more carefully.

Auld Lang Syne, then:
Mike - bottom
Carl and Dennis in the middle - they seem to swap registers, although Carl seems to be higher than Denny for most of it.
Brian - top

What's interesting is that although Carl usually had the anchor position at the bottom of the main stack, just above Mike, it doesn't seem to have been a hard and fast rule.  The sense I'm getting from listening to these is that all other things (range, etc.) being equal, Brian would give Carl the most demanding part.  Which makes sense.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on August 23, 2007, 07:03:37 PM
I always thought Al would be on those ballads just because they were recorded after he returned to the group, correct? and that was his major asset to the group, singing. I can't believe they would record those intricate ballads with Dennis and not Al whose voice was more suited to singing in the harmony and blending


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: cerro azul on August 23, 2007, 07:14:04 PM
Thanks Andrew...I'd bet then that Mike wasn't at the first session.  If so, that might explain Dave's presence (if he is indeed there) on the background vocal track.

Re:  "A Young Man's Gone":  I couldn't find a copy of that at home last night.  I did just listen to a 30 second sample of an mp3 online in not very good fidelity, but even going just by that, it sounds like four parts: Mike-Carl-Al-Brian bottom to top to me, which is exactly what one would expect.  For sure on the Mike, Carl and Brian and about 80% sure on the Al.  Did someone think they heard Dennis in there?  Granted, it wasn't a good fidelity mp3, but I don't hear any trace of him.  And I've never seen or heard any version of it that he sang on.

I do not hear even a trace of Dennis here (listening to the "LDC" CD version with headphones on) -- especially when contrasted with the "Lord's Prayer" where his "rasp" is clearly evident.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on August 24, 2007, 12:04:01 AM
On the line at the end of AYDCT where they sing "... and your dreams come true" I think Dennis is quite prominent. I don't understand how anyone can think otherwise.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John 2 on August 24, 2007, 07:38:54 AM
I just want to intterupt and thank everyone, especially adamghost, for their work so far. This thread needs to become the standard reference!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Dancing Bear on August 24, 2007, 07:53:44 AM
I'm not contributing but I'm surely saving all the results. Keep up the good work!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on August 24, 2007, 08:00:57 AM
And thank you John for launching the vessel, and keeping it on course!  Kudos!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on August 24, 2007, 09:45:21 AM
And thank you John for launching the vessel, and keeping it on course!  Kudos!

Yeah. This is my favorite thread here!  :afro


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 24, 2007, 10:36:07 AM
On the line at the end of AYDCT where they sing "... and your dreams come true" I think Dennis is quite prominent. I don't understand how anyone can think otherwise.

As I said, I totally hear what you're hearing...but going through the rest of the song, I just don't hear any other evidence that he's there, the studio tapes don't indicate he's there, and double tracking and the double being off-key...particularly if there's more than one voice on that part...could make it sound just like Dennis.  I was sure that Al was on Auld Lang Syne until I broke every part down and realized that it was just an illusion.  As I said, you could construct a scenario that his him taking over from Al mid-session or redoubling his part -- there's just no other indication that that's what happened.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 24, 2007, 10:48:26 AM
I always thought Al would be on those ballads just because they were recorded after he returned to the group, correct? and that was his major asset to the group, singing. I can't believe they would record those intricate ballads with Dennis and not Al whose voice was more suited to singing in the harmony and blending

What can I tell you?  I would have thought the same thing.  I've been trying to listen without any preconceptions and just go by the evidence of what's on the recording -- that's part of what makes the exercise interesting for me.  I was very surprised that Al apparently isn't on these...especially on "The Lord's Prayer" where what I perceive to be Dennis' part is just about flawless (albeit low in the mix).  And, y'know, I'm not infallible.  But I did listen to this stuff pretty carefully.  And, actually, "Auld Lang Syne" is not that tight of a track.  Some of the harmonies are pretty uneven and there are a lot of sloppy edits...which may be why they decided to do the voice over!

With respect to blend though...keep in mind that Brian, Carl and Dennis had been singing together for years, and as family members they had a natural blend, and Al had been away from the group for awhile in '64.  Tonally, Carl said of Al at the time "his voice really cuts" and that's part of what made him sound so much like Brian...but Dennis' voice with its softer, grainier texture actually made for more of a "blend" than Al's voice.  On a ballad, you're actually going to get a smoother overall tone with Dennis than Al -- you just might not get as spot-on a performance.  I think Dennis' issue was more the ability to navigate difficult vocal cadences and such like that, and also evenness of his delivery.  I haven't broken it down line by line but my impression listening to these is that the really hairy movement in the vocal lines went to Carl (and Mike in the bass range), and that Dennis' part would be more fixed.

There's also the possibility that Al just wasn't available that day for some reason.

Also...wasn't "The Lord's Prayer" actually cut earlier, like in '63, and Capitol wouldn't let Brian put it out?  I seem to remember hearing that somewhere.  I could be on drugs though.

Btw, I'm totally open to being corrected...if someone wants to go through these line by line with a piano (which I haven't done, I've just gone by intense listening) or get other primary session information that contradicts this, I'd learn from that. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: cerro azul on August 24, 2007, 10:58:03 AM
"The Lord's Prayer" was released Christmastime, 1963, the "B" side to the "Little Saint Nick" single.  I do not know precisely when it was recorded.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 24, 2007, 11:07:47 AM
"The Lord's Prayer" was released Christmastime, 1963, the "B" side to the "Little Saint Nick" single.  I do not know precisely when it was recorded.

That explains why Al wasn't on it.  Referring now to Andrew's site, I see it was cut on October 20, 1963, and given the high level of polish and the difficulty of the arrangement, there's a good likelihood that they'd been practicing it for some time prior.  Dave Marks' last show was October 5.  Al was back in the group full-time by then, but only barely.

Stebbins (or c-man, or anyone), getting back to something you'd mentioned earlier, is there any evidence that Al did any on-record singing with the band (other than the initial sessions) prior to rejoining the band in Oct. '63?  I remember that there were some '63 sessions where all six of them were playing, with Al on bass, but did he sing at all?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 24, 2007, 12:10:19 PM
Well, scratch Al not being around for the "Auld Lang Syne" session...according to Andrew's website, it was cut the same day as "Christmas Day."  Maybe Al was so stressed out by his first lead vocal that he went home early!

(Although there was a second session for "Christmas Day" two days later, a good chance that's when the lead vocal was done.  But who knows)

Just for the heck of it, I gave the other tracks cut on that day a quick listen to see if I can confirm Al is on the backgrounds.   I definitely hear Dennis (along with Carl and Mike) on "Santa's Beard" but I can't tell if it's 4 or 5 parts.  If it's 4, then Al's not on that one.   On the others, I can't honestly tell on one listen.  Of course, we don't know that all the vocals were cut the same day (and since they had to do four instrumental tracks that day plus "Auld Lang Syne", they probably weren't), so it's not really relevant anyway.  But it's fun!

Does anyone have the Sea of Tunes boots for these sessions?  That would settle a lot of these controversies pretty conclusively; you could hear more clearly who was there and singing what and also if anyone had to leave or sat something out or what have you.  C-Man has dissected them thoroughly and the guy has awesome ears.  He's added a lot of new information to the mix in so doing.  He's only officially published the results of that listening for SUMMER DAYS and ALL SUMMER LONG, though.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 24, 2007, 12:32:48 PM
Well, scratch Al not being around for the "Auld Lang Syne" session...according to Andrew's website, it was cut the same day as "Christmas Day."  Maybe Al was so stressed out by his first lead vocal that he went home early!

(Although there was a second session for "Christmas Day" two days later, a good chance that's when the lead vocal was done.  But who knows)

Chances are the 2nd session was for overdubs and vocals. Can't prove it but that's my semi-informed opinion.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 24, 2007, 12:35:19 PM
"The Lord's Prayer" was released Christmastime, 1963, the "B" side to the "Little Saint Nick" single.  I do not know precisely when it was recorded.

Same day as the 2nd version of the A side - 10/20/63.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John 2 on August 25, 2007, 12:39:56 PM
I'm satisfied that this harmony analysis is right, so I'll change it accordingly. If anyone has anything to contribute to this friendly "argument" then feel free. I shan't be doing CATP: ST just yet, but soon...:D

Edit: Whoops, I can't edit it, since it was under my previous screen name. I'll work something out...!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on August 26, 2007, 05:35:46 AM
Yay, I have my old username back. It was pretty simple actually, but I guess I'm simpler. ;)

I'll alter those accapella credits, sign in as John 2, delete the Sunflower and Surf's Up posts, but copy them first and post them here under this username, so everything is consistant (except of course, the order of the posts, discussing them) Ah well.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on August 26, 2007, 06:27:37 AM
Right, now these have been posted again, under my original username, that will make it easier to split them off later. They're also improved slightly too, so if anyone is saving these, it'd probably be useful to you to replace the previous versions with these ones.:)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: linusoli on August 26, 2007, 10:16:51 AM

I think that it's Bruce singing the title of "All I Wanna Do" in the bridge
I'd give Brian a backup for "Celebrate the News" - "there's been a change" in close harmony
And finally, although it sounds like he may be compounded with other voices, Bruce is definitely in there for the bridge of Take a Load Off Your Feet...it sounds like his more timid falsetto, and the final solo "glass" is unmistakeable.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 26, 2007, 07:17:43 PM

I think that it's Bruce singing the title of "All I Wanna Do" in the bridge
I'd give Brian a backup for "Celebrate the News" - "there's been a change" in close harmony
And finally, although it sounds like he may be compounded with other voices, Bruce is definitely in there for the bridge of Take a Load Off Your Feet...it sounds like his more timid falsetto, and the final solo "glass" is unmistakeable.

He might be in there.  I couldn't tell if there were two or three people in there and there were a few places where it sounded like he might be.  I could see it being Brian-Al-Bruce but I don't think the prominent voice is Bruce.  I think you're probably right about "glass," though...although with the effects on it it could be any of them.

I'm dubious about "Celebrate the News" having Brian singing "there's been a change."   We dissected that song pretty thoroughly for the live record.  The main vocal is two parts, which was Dennis & Dennis or Dennis & Carl (I don't remember which and I can't tell for sure on the crappy speakers on my computer, they sounded very similar in the upper register in '69), and that carried through that part.  The second time a third part is added there, but it's lower, not higher, so even if it was Brian (and I don't think it was) on the third part, I don't think that'd merit a featured vocal.  The high harmony there is whoever's singing high harmony all the way through the song (Dennis or Carl), and it's not Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on August 26, 2007, 09:41:33 PM
Celebrate The News Dennis sings the "There's been a change part" as seen on the Mike Douglas show. Brian counterpoints Mike's Bad Luck with the "No More" part though I think either Carl, Al, or Bruce doubles him. The part with Brian I am certain on is the oo oo ah part.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 27, 2007, 11:50:11 AM
Celebrate The News Dennis sings the "There's been a change part" as seen on the Mike Douglas show. Brian counterpoints Mike's Bad Luck with the "No More" part though I think either Carl, Al, or Bruce doubles him. The part with Brian I am certain on is the oo oo ah part.

There are two vocal parts on "there's been a change," and throughout the rest of the lead vocal, which I think is what Linus is talking about when he thinks he hears Brian on the vocal. on the "change" harmony.  No question Dennis sings the bottom part, the question is who's singing the other.  I was saying it was either double-tracked Dennis, or Dennis and Carl, but not Brian.

I think the "no more" may actually be Carl, but I'd have to listen.  Definitely one or the other.

Heck, I should just listen.  Hang on...

As to the harmony to the lead vocal (right channel), it's hard to tell for sure.  At first I thought it was Dennis singing very like Carl, but the phrasing and the curl at the end of the phrase are identical to Carl's.  And I am pretty sure the "hello" at the top of the track, right channel, is Carl.  I thought I'd heard Dennis' tonality on that vocal track, but since Dennis seems to be doubling the low part in that channel as well, I think that may be what I'm hearing.

I think all in all that second part is Carl.  It sounds to me like there's two Dennis vocals on the low part and one Carl on the high, with two voices in the right channel.  If you listen to the second "change" line on the headphones, where Dennis' double comes apart a little, you can hear this most clearly. 

More evidence for Carl being the second voice is the last part ("listen to the voices..."), where there are two people singing in the right channel.  There's a different effect on this part, but I think based on the panning and the number of voices there (two) it's the same track as the earlier right channel lead vocal.  Not only does the second part sound more like Carl than Dennis, but more importantly, it does sound like two people singing together and responding to one another rather than one guy overdubbing to himself. 

Also, I'd sort of expect if it was double Dennis on the one track, they'd not have it panned in exactly the same place, although that's just an opinion.  They could have bounced two tracks to one and then panned it far right.  But all in all, I'd bet on one track for a Dennis-Carl vocal duet panned hard right and another track for Dennis' main vocal which is more center.

I think I'd advocate for giving Carl co-lead vocal credit with Dennis on this one.

I realize this will be controversial, but I'm pretty sure the "no more" is Carl, not Brian.  Just a very subtle difference in the timbre.  I realize it sounds very like a Brian part and not a Carl part, but I'm pretty sure it's Carl.  I think the top part on the "I've got news for you" part might be Brian, though it could also be Carl or someone else trying to sound like Brian.  I'm a little suspicious of the heavy vibrato on "you" -- it's a little ostentatious for Brian; that kind of vibrato is much more Carl's thing.  But I just don't know.

I think Alan Boyd told me at some point that there are female backup vocalists at the end of the track that are not members of the Beach Boys or the immediate family.  I have to say that's what it sounds like (not necessarily the "oohs" but there seem to be other backups further back in the mix under the obvious parts).



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on August 27, 2007, 12:18:37 PM
I agree with you that that's Carl, but I don't know if you'd term it a lead, rather than a harmony vocal. How 'bout a footnote?
The "hello" at the beginning sounds like Brian, a little, I think.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: linusoli on August 27, 2007, 05:36:37 PM

The "hello" at the beginning sounds like Brian, a little, I think.

Agreed. If it's Carl, it's a funny reversal of the "Please Let Me Wonder" situation.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 27, 2007, 05:42:38 PM

The "hello" at the beginning sounds like Brian, a little, I think.

Agreed. If it's Carl, it's a funny reversal of the "Please Let Me Wonder" situation.

Really?  It doesn't sound like Brian at all to me.  Weird.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on August 28, 2007, 05:48:15 AM
All I can say for certain is that Brian's voice is felt on this track especally on the unison "I've Got News For You" part and the ooh ah at the end. Besides listen to how rich the vocal blend is. Play I Can Hear Music then Celebrate and you can hear how Brian's presense enhansed everything.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on August 28, 2007, 09:44:48 AM

The "hello" at the beginning sounds like Brian, a little, I think.

Agreed. If it's Carl, it's a funny reversal of the "Please Let Me Wonder" situation.

Really?  It doesn't sound like Brian at all to me.  Weird.

I wouldn't bet the rent on it or anything, but after listening to it, if I had to attribute a Wilson brother to it, it'd be the young Bri.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 28, 2007, 01:21:32 PM
Weird.  That voice sounds like Carl to me.  Ears aside, it's panned far right, which indicates it would probably be either Carl and Dennis, since that's where their "dual track" is.  All the other vocal tracks are panned on the other side or in the middle.  There'd be no particular reason to have that voice on there and pan it to the other side later.  Not that it matters.  Whoever it was clearly wanted to say hello to us.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "unison" part...there's the first line that Dennis sings alone (with a possible faint double from Carl), and then it splits into a harmony.  I agree that the falsetto on top of the "I've got news for you" stack overall SOUNDS like Brian is in there.  I always assumed he was from the sound of the track, just as you do.  But just analyzing that high vocal part on its own, I got just a wee bit suspicious from a few quirks of delivery that it was Carl doing a Brian imitation.  Overall, though, judging by the tone of it (and the fact that I think I hear Carl singing further down in the stack in that channel) I agree it's probably Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on August 28, 2007, 04:14:22 PM
how about Al for all those falsetto parts?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on August 28, 2007, 06:10:20 PM
I think Al, Brian, and Carl all are heard doing falsetto at the end with Brian on top. The girl singers seem to join about 30 seconds before the fade.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on August 30, 2007, 04:49:03 AM
I added Carl on CTN as a footnote and "prominent harmony"; is everyone cool with that?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 30, 2007, 11:09:48 AM
It's fine with me.  My only rationale for Carl as co-lead vocal is that the harmony carries through the entire song.  But there are two Dennis and one Carl, so whatever is cool from my perspective.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on August 31, 2007, 05:39:01 AM
Cool. Are we up to date, or is there anything outstanding?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on August 31, 2007, 04:15:53 PM
That's it, right?

I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on "Mess of Help."  The lead vocal to that is...curious.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on August 31, 2007, 06:06:45 PM
now someone has to go back all 39 pages and collect everything together and add it to the Smiley Smile library. :ahh


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Mahalo on August 31, 2007, 06:13:34 PM
Has I Wasn't Made For These Times been discussed......if this has, please direct me towards the pg #, if not could someone please tell me the BV's???


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Emdeeh on August 31, 2007, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: adamghost
I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on "Mess of Help."  The lead vocal to that is...curious.

I hear it as two Carls doubletracked, one in his harder rocking voice and the other in an exceptionally gritty voice, plus one Blondie.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on August 31, 2007, 09:26:02 PM
Has I Wasn't Made For These Times been discussed......if this has, please direct me towards the pg #, if not could someone please tell me the BV's???

brian on every voice. Noone else.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on September 01, 2007, 06:20:35 AM
Aren't the "Spanish"  vocals during the chorus sung by all or some of the Beach Boys?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 01, 2007, 10:22:32 AM
Has I Wasn't Made For These Times been discussed......if this has, please direct me towards the pg #, if not could someone please tell me the BV's???

brian on every voice. Noone else.

Not so -  there are seven vocal tracks on the Columbia tape: two of them are tagged 'vocal group', the other five are credited to 'Bryan'.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Mahalo on September 01, 2007, 10:28:08 AM
For "IJust Wasn't Made For These TImes"....

I don't know everything thats being said during the chorus....way in the back underneath the "sometimes, I feel very sad....." vocals, I hear something like..."could be I'm sad..."????Does anyone know what part I'm talking about, and if so the exact words being sung? So many melodies and words going on at that exact moment that it is difficult to pick them all out...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 01, 2007, 11:42:31 AM
So many melodies and words going on at that exact moment that it is difficult to pick them all out...

That's where the Pet Sounds Session box comes up trumps.  :-D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 01, 2007, 12:32:00 PM
Carl and the Passions tomorrow it is. Mess of Help was "scheduled" as (double-tracked) Carl.
The plan is to go all the way up to Summer In Paradise, so I'd better get a shift on, now I've got a bit more time again.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Mahalo on September 01, 2007, 02:26:56 PM
Also on IJWMFTT there is the part that Brian sings, "People I, don't want to be..." does anybody have any insight about whether there is more  to that part that I'm not hearing....I just have never been able to figure that out...even with the PS box set.....but you are right AGD, it absolutely trumps!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ebb and Flow on September 01, 2007, 03:35:09 PM
In IJWMFTT I think the BGV's over the "Each time things..." part and the aforementioned Spanish vocals are where the group is singing.  Everything else is Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Amy B. on September 01, 2007, 03:38:32 PM
"Ain't found the right thing I can put my heart and soul into"
"People I know don't wanna be where I'm at"



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Mahalo on September 01, 2007, 03:43:32 PM
thanx Amy....

what are the Spanish vocals????

This is news to me, and I've listened to this song steady for over a decade.... ???


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on September 01, 2007, 03:44:50 PM
Right. I meant the main vocal is brian throughout (including the "Aint found the right thing..." and the "People I know don't wanna be where I'm at") the group vocal is on the "Un dia sere. Quando sere" part


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Mahalo on September 01, 2007, 09:28:26 PM
the group vocal is on the "Un dia sere. Quando sere" part

Whats that mean???


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on September 01, 2007, 09:47:24 PM
"Quando sera. Un dia sera" means "When will it be? One day it will be"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 02, 2007, 08:32:28 AM
Prominent bv on "Cuddle Up" - Toni Tennille.

"He Come Down" - the "down, down, down/to the glorious kingdom" sounds like Alan to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: I. Spaceman on September 02, 2007, 09:28:00 AM
Amazing thread.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on September 02, 2007, 10:24:39 AM
Back to Just Wasn't Made for These Times for a sec.... seeing Brian and Al do this together in concert brought this song to new life for me, the way their voices blended together during the chorus and especially on the tag. It was by far one of the concert highlights .

That part in He Come Down definitely seems like Al to me as well


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 02, 2007, 10:54:15 AM
Agreed and added.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 04, 2007, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: adamghost
I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on "Mess of Help."  The lead vocal to that is...curious.

I hear it as two Carls doubletracked, one in his harder rocking voice and the other in an exceptionally gritty voice, plus one Blondie.


Yeah, I've always heard it as two Carls as well.  But there's some odd things about this vocal.  I'm not advocating for changing the entry, but I want to throw a few things out there to consider:

(1)  The "rough" vocal is extremely random and sloppy for Carl.  I can't think of any other time in the whole history of the band that he did something like this.  Not just the quality of the voice, but the "hos!" and exclamations, the overstated nature of the vocal, the crap pitch.  That's very (post '67) Brian, very un-Carl.

(2)  In an interview at the time Mike Love said that "'Mess of Help' has [Brian's] harmonies with (or to, I don't remember) the vocal."  Granted, I think I hear him on the "she don't knows" and that's probably what he meant.  But he said harmonies to THE vocal, which implies the LEAD vocal. 

And listening carefully, here's a (3):  that rough vocal is in the left channel, and on close examination, there are TWO people singing on it, one further back in the mix.  They appear to be singing together; you can hear voice two react "yeah!" at :32, and they separate at "ring" and "sing" around 1:06.  You can clearly hear the vocals separate in the next line as well.

So who's the second voice?  To the extent I can pick it out, I agree with Emdeeh that it sounds most like Blondie.  But I think you could make a case that it might be Brian.   To me, the left channel vocal sounds like it was probably a one-pass demo vocal and the second, "clean" Carl vocal laid over that to smooth out the final recording.  You could see a scenario in the studio where they first record it and try to get Brian to sing it and Brian goes, "I can't sing it by myself.  Carl, you sing it with me" and then Brian goes into an exaggerated gruff voice which Carl then has to emulate to keep up.  Not only CAN Brian sing like that, I've seen him sing exactly like that (at a concert in 1981, deliberately sabotaging "Sloop John B"); also witness the 1977 Largo performance of "Back Home."  Granted, that was after the voice changed, but the playfulness, exaggeration and randomness of the vocal are very Brian-ish, even though the dominant vocal seems to be Carl.  And given that he cowrote the song, it's reasonable to expect that he'd be one of the people laying down a demo vocal.   Brian also has a long history of subtly manipulating people and/or putting them on, so it's not hard to imagine him trying to goad/force Carl into singing this way.

(Also while the pivotal year for Brian's voice changing was 1975, keep in mind that to some extent Brian's voice change seems to have been by design.  Even to this day if he chooses to place his voice differently, he can approximate though not duplicate his old vocal sound.  Similarly, there's some evidence that he was trying out a rougher voice elsewhere on CATP...listen to the "yeah, mmm, Lord" low part on "He Come Down"...whoever has that part sounds exactly like Brian on 15 BIG ONES)

Now mind you, I can offer a counter-scenario:  I've had it explained to me by people with more insight to the situation that in '72 Carl was trying to radically re-imagine the band, even to a greater degree than what he actually accomplished.  I could imagine Carl deliberately trying to pull off a hoedown kind of thing with the vocal, getting as far away from his sweet, textured vocals as possible, and enlisting Blondie to help him sing it and egg him on.  Even taking that into account though, for Carl, the whole thing is just very loose.

I don't know.  I can't identify that second voice.  It might be Blondie.  As I said, it's a curious vocal.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 05, 2007, 02:49:43 AM
Sweet Mountin from Spring has Brian singing in a gruff and sweet voice. You Need A Mess is I think Carl though. He Come Down might be Brian on that part. You can hear Brian doing the ooh and ahhs during the verse of YNAMOH and he also does the doobie doos on Marcella. Carl and Brian can be heard on Cuddle Up too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on September 05, 2007, 08:58:11 AM
Which part of "All this is that" is sung by Alan?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 05, 2007, 09:32:06 AM
Sweet Mountin from Spring has Brian singing in a gruff and sweet voice. You Need A Mess is I think Carl though. He Come Down might be Brian on that part. You can hear Brian doing the ooh and ahhs during the verse of YNAMOH and he also does the doobie doos on Marcella. Carl and Brian can be heard on Cuddle Up too.

Accprdong to Carl, Brian's only on "Marcella" on this album.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 05, 2007, 10:06:30 AM
Which part of "All this is that" is sung by Alan?

I would say that the "Golden Auras glow around you" section, possibly in unison with Mike is Alan. Sounds like all Mike, but I don't think it is.

As for "Mess of Help", I think it's two Carls. It's Carl's idea of "hard rock" a la "Hold Me"  in my opinion.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Emdeeh on September 05, 2007, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: John
As for "Mess of Help", I think it's two Carls. It's Carl's idea of "hard rock" a la "Hold Me"  in my opinion.

Or possibly Carl's idea of "hard bluegrass"!  :lol

(Gotta love that man -- he had a wicked great sense of humor.)




Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on September 05, 2007, 01:32:09 PM
This is an amazing thread.

I have been listening closely to "Mess of Help" and it is certainly Carl double tracked on the two channels because there are differences e.g. at 1:12 "stand" is on a different note.

But it is also true that there are two more voices mixed further back on the left channel. The exceptionally gritty voice may be by Brian and the fourth voice, which is not as gritty I think, sounds quite like Blondie. This fourth voice sings a harmony rather than singing approximately on the tune as the exceptionally gritty one does, and hits much higher notes particularly at the end of phrases. I notice them as separate particularly at 1:08 when the fourth voice sings a fourth above the other three: Carl, Carl and the gritty one.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 05, 2007, 02:03:44 PM
This is an amazing thread.

I have been listening closely to "Mess of Help" and it is certainly Carl double tracked on the two channels because there are differences e.g. at 1:12 "stand" is on a different note.

But it is also true that there are two more voices mixed further back on the left channel. The exceptionally gritty voice may be by Brian and the fourth voice, which is not as gritty I think, sounds quite like Blondie. This fourth voice sings a harmony rather than singing approximately on the tune as the exceptionally gritty one does, and hits much higher notes particularly at the end of phrases. I notice them as separate particularly at 1:08 when the fourth voice sings a fourth above the other three: Carl, Carl and the gritty one.

You hear three left channel voices?  Wow...you mean on "half alive"?  You could be right.  I can only make out two for certain, but there could be three.

Just so everyone's clear: the question isn't whether the main vocal is two Carls...we all agree that's the case...the question is who's singing along with Carl in the left channel.

Let's zero in on that channel a little more:
:10 -- a little chuckle -- clearly TWO (at least) gritty voices singing in unison here.
:14 -- Carl laughs a little
:23 -- "advancing" is so exaggerated as almost to be a joke
:30 -- On "can" you can make out the timbre of the other voice a little.  No idea who it is though.  Just afterwards someone yells "yeah!" in the background.
:47 -- vocal separates into harmony briefly on "cold of my winter"
:50 -- "burst of your raindrop" separates a little.
:51 -- someone goes "ho!" and vocal separates into harmony
1:04 and 1:06 -- second vocal separates and goes out "ring" and "sing"
1:10 -- vocals come apart on "alive".  This might be the part where Signum is hearing three voices...he might just be right, although it's hard to believe you wouldn't hear them before this.  I'm surprised the unison is as tight as it is in spots if it's two people singing along with each other.  (You'd expect, for example, the other voice to carry over on the "alone"s as Carl cuts them off very short)  This is also the one part where the other vocal sounds like it might be Blondie.
1:47 -- The "she don't knows."  I'm not sure the lead vocal track is featured here at all judging by how the vocals are panned overall.  Lots of voices crossing over here.  Definitely Carl and Mike.  The middle vocal that's mixed loudest is the one that sounds like Brian to me...in fact, the more I listen to it the more I think it's him.  The softer and rounder, more in the background descending semi-falsetto harmonies, I have no idea.  I believe there's two voices.  From a timbre standpoint, most likely Blondie, Ricky and/or Dennis (or an overdubbed Carl, just as likely).  But it's so quiet and so soft...who the heck knows.
2:20 -- The vocal comes apart at "smile," though significantly, it sounds like the same voice.  Background vocals here sound sped up.  Someone reacts with a gruff "yeah" here.
2:33 -- You can hear Carl in a clearer voice here and the other voice extremely gruff in a harmony.  This carries through the next line.
2:42-2:47 -- Gotta admit, it does sound like three voices here.  On "jive" you've got the clean Carl voice, the dirty voice, and someone shouting over top of that.  That just makes the whole thing all the more weird to me.

Very curious.  I have to say that as much as I like my own theory about Brian singing along with Carl and as much as it all makes logical sense to me and fits what we know, from close listening the person singing along with Carl and Carl sounds most like...Carl.  Again.  Judging by the various chuckles on the track it does sound like Carl is goofing around quite a bit and amusing himself greatly.  And it would explain why, for instance, you don't hear the other vocal hanging after Carl cuts some notes short, which I'd expect.  What really makes me think it's Carl again is the "smile" at 2:20.  It really does sound so close in delivery and tone that it's as if it was run through a delay.  It's possible to have that happen with two different vocalists, but it's more likely with one person singing the same part the same way twice out of time with themselves.

But then who's the THIRD voice, if there is one?  If it's Carl, why did he do THREE lead vocals, and pan the first two in the same channel?  Did Brian ever demo this one or sing a guide vocal, and if so, is it mixed way back?  Is that the third vocal?  I'd love to see the track sheet for this one.

Interesting Carl claimed Brian is only on "Marcella."  As I said, I remember the Mike Love quote...I believe it was in Byron Preiss' book.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 05, 2007, 02:12:54 PM
Welcome and thanks, Signum!

Say, listen fellas,  going back a little bit, I amended the "All Summer Long" title track credits to  "Mike, featuring the Group on alternate lines" - while listening to it, I thought just "Mike" was just, well, inaccurate. Is everyone okay with that?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on September 05, 2007, 07:13:54 PM
Mess of Help has never been one of my favorite tunes, but this discussion is interesting! No one has mentioned Al at all in the mix, I am assuming he sang on the track so perhaps his voice may account for some of the harmonies in question?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 05, 2007, 10:02:51 PM
Sweet Mountain from Spring has Brian singing in a gruff and sweet voice. You Need A Mess is I think Carl though. He Come Down might be Brian on that part. You can hear Brian doing the ooh and ahhs during the verse of YNAMOH and he also does the doobie doos on Marcella. Carl and Brian can be heard on Cuddle Up too.

Accprdong to Carl, Brian's only on "Marcella" on this album.

Well Mike said "Marcella" and "You Need A Mess Of Help" at the time in NME and since he only mentioned there 0two songs it doesn't seem like he was hyping Brian's involvement. YNAMOH I know he's there because I hear him very clear, but He Come Down and Cuddle Up I could be convinced otherwise. Still my ears tell me he's there. As I have said before, Brian spending five min to sing an incidental part may have slipped some of the participants minds.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 06, 2007, 11:16:20 AM
Mess of Help has never been one of my favorite tunes, but this discussion is interesting! No one has mentioned Al at all in the mix, I am assuming he sang on the track so perhaps his voice may account for some of the harmonies in question?

Sure.  I don't hear him, though.  Doesn't mean he's not there.  I assume that's him on the banjo, although it's more solid picking than any of the other stuff we know he did.

As for Brian on "Cuddle Up"...those b. vox could well date from the SURF'S UP sessions -- that track started life IIRC as a SURF'S UP track called "Old Movie" and he's on "Live Again" which dates from around the same period -- and thus not have been on Carl's mind.

I'd be surprised if Brian WASN'T on "He Come Down," but who knows.  I'd like to know if that's him on that low part.  It sounds exactly like him...in 1976.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 06, 2007, 12:07:53 PM
As for Brian on "Cuddle Up"...those b. vox could well date from the SURF'S UP sessions -- that track started life IIRC as a SURF'S UP track called "Old Movie" and he's on "Live Again" which dates from around the same period -- and thus not have been on Carl's mind.

I stand to be corrected, but the "Old Movie" from Surf's Up that I've heard was actually "4th of July" (with Jack singing (?) a totally different lyric). Dennis seemed to use "Old Movie" as a catch-all title around this time, and recycled it when he recorded "Cuddle Up" for his 1971 solo project. I'm happy in my own mind that the vocal that sounds like Brian on "CU" is Toni. (cf her own version a few years later)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 06, 2007, 12:24:25 PM
Sure.  I don't hear him, though.  Doesn't mean he's not there.  I assume that's him on the banjo, although it's more solid picking than any of the other stuff we know he did.

What did he do? I assume "California", but what else?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on September 06, 2007, 01:37:58 PM
Mess of Help has never been one of my favorite tunes, but this discussion is interesting! No one has mentioned Al at all in the mix, I am assuming he sang on the track so perhaps his voice may account for some of the harmonies in question?

Sure.  I don't hear him, though.  Doesn't mean he's not there.  I assume that's him on the banjo, although it's more solid picking than any of the other stuff we know he did.

As for Brian on "Cuddle Up"...those b. vox could well date from the SURF'S UP sessions -- that track started life IIRC as a SURF'S UP track called "Old Movie" and he's on "Live Again" which dates from around the same period -- and thus not have been on Carl's mind.

I'd be surprised if Brian WASN'T on "He Come Down," but who knows.  I'd like to know if that's him on that low part.  It sounds exactly like him...in 1976.

That low part on "He Come Down" that you mentioned, Adamghost, sounds to me like it could easily be Mike putting on a slightly funny voice, especially since he sings the bass elsewhere on the song. He would still have time to leap up to and sing the "He came down"s.

I wonder if it is Carl who sings the answering vocals to Mike's "He came down"s. Is anyone sure? Could it possibly be Blondie?

About "Mess of Help": I think now that the gritty voice could just as easily be Carl too, just as you say, Adamghost. I used to think the fourth (higher) vocal was Brian because I'd heard somewhere that Brian harmonised (on the verse I guessed), but now it sounds more likely to be Blondie or even Carl (yet) again. I can imagine Carl having a good time singing all those vocals on the verse. Alternatively perhaps it is in fact Brian singing the gritty one, and Carl carefully sung his vocal over it. I suppose they could always mix vocals inaudibly in places which might explain why the number of voices seems to vary.

That other voice on the 'She don't know' section sounds like Brian to me too, although I mean it sounds more like Brian than anyone else albeit still not quite right for him.

About "All Summer Long": It occured to me, John, that you could put in a mention of Brian for the "Not for us now" because it is a solo, even if a short one.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 06, 2007, 02:35:12 PM
That low part on "He Come Down" that you mentioned, Adamghost, sounds to me like it could easily be Mike putting on a slightly funny voice, especially since he sings the bass elsewhere on the song. He would still have time to leap up to and sing the "He came down"s.
Mess of Help has never been one of my favorite tunes, but this discussion is interesting! No one has mentioned Al at all in the mix, I am assuming he sang on the track so perhaps his voice may account for some of the harmonies in question?

Sure.  I don't hear him, though.  Doesn't mean he's not there.  I assume that's him on the banjo, although it's more solid picking than any of the other stuff we know he did.

As for Brian on "Cuddle Up"...those b. vox could well date from the SURF'S UP sessions -- that track started life IIRC as a SURF'S UP track called "Old Movie" and he's on "Live Again" which dates from around the same period -- and thus not have been on Carl's mind.

I'd be surprised if Brian WASN'T on "He Come Down," but who knows.  I'd like to know if that's him on that low part.  It sounds exactly like him...in 1976.

That low part on "He Come Down" that you mentioned, Adamghost, sounds to me like it could easily be Mike putting on a slightly funny voice, especially since he sings the bass elsewhere on the song. He would still have time to leap up to and sing the "He came down"s.

I wonder if it is Carl who sings the answering vocals to Mike's "He came down"s. Is anyone sure? Could it possibly be Blondie?

You mean at 3:49?  Pretty sure that's Carl.

As for the low part, I was going off old impressions...giving it a fresh listen, there's something very interesting going on there and it could be we're both right.

It sounds like you might be referring to the bass part BEFORE the "He Came Downs," which do sound like Mike...the part I'm talking about is at around 4:00 AFTER them, but backing up from that a little bit: on the "he came downs", Mike starts the call and response at 3:44 in the left channel, but he's doubled by a second voice in the RIGHT channel at 3:52 halfway through the call and response part, which is why "show me the way" and "thanking the lord" don't sound as tight as the lines that preceded it.   It's this right channel voice that I thought sounded like the 1976 Brian (the left channel is, indeed, Mike).  Listening more carefully, there's more to this than I thought:  the whole part goes "mmhmm, mmhmm, dit dit dit dit, yeah, mmm, [indistinct], Lord, mmmm yeah yeah yeah yeah."  It isn't as much of a ringer for '76 Brian as I thought, and I can buy that the show me the way" and "thanking the lord" are Mike (and I could also buy that the right channel bass vocal that is in the "yes I believe it!" part is also Mike), but listen to that "yeah."  There's just way too much body to that vocal for Mike to my ears.  Also, listening carefully to the LEFT channel vocal, which is definitely Mike up 'til 3:57 when he goes "mm-hmm-hmm." But the lower "yeah" sounds like in might be a different vocal, the same non-Mike voice that's in the right channel to me.  But it could be Mike.  I can't tell.

So, what's the scoop here?  The right channel vocal from 3:53 (and perhaps before that) to 4:02 doesn't sound like anybody in the group to me except Brian, four years later.  I suppose it could be Dennis, or perhaps Blondie or Ricky singing in an unfamiliar timbre, or some oddball like Jack Rieley.  Or I could be completely on drugs and it's all Mike, but it really does sound like a sketchy vocal track that Carl mixed in and out depending on how well this or that line sounded.  Which would point to Brian.  But darned if I  can say for sure.  It's interesting the way a lot of these '72-'73 tracks were recorded, because they were really favoring multiple counterpoint vocals over harmony stacks...possibly because they could only get a few members of the band in the studio at the same time.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 06, 2007, 02:36:48 PM
Sure.  I don't hear him, though.  Doesn't mean he's not there.  I assume that's him on the banjo, although it's more solid picking than any of the other stuff we know he did.

What did he do? I assume "California", but what else?

"Don't Go Near The Water," IIRC.  (Also "Battle Hymn of the Republic."  Heh)  I think he may have also played on "Santa Ana Winds".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 06, 2007, 02:51:35 PM
As for Brian on "Cuddle Up"...those b. vox could well date from the SURF'S UP sessions -- that track started life IIRC as a SURF'S UP track called "Old Movie" and he's on "Live Again" which dates from around the same period -- and thus not have been on Carl's mind.

I stand to be corrected, but the "Old Movie" from Surf's Up that I've heard was actually "4th of July" (with Jack singing (?) a totally different lyric). Dennis seemed to use "Old Movie" as a catch-all title around this time, and recycled it when he recorded "Cuddle Up" for his 1971 solo project. I'm happy in my own mind that the vocal that sounds like Brian on "CU" is Toni. (cf her own version a few years later)

Yeah, I think you're right there AGD.  I remember hearing a track for one or the other at some point with different, unused vocals and I think I got 'em mixed up.  Duh.

Re "Cuddle Up," there is a vocal that comes in at 1:16 that does sound like Brian.  I don't think it's Toni Tennille, but my opinion is that it's Blondie and not Brian.  The entry sounds very Brian-like, but it's also Blondie-like and the rest of what I can make out of those vocals sound like Carl and Blondie alternating improvised vocal lines (with a bit of Dennis as well).  Same deal starting around 4:10.  The only other place that sounds Brian-ish is the tailing off off of the second line at 4:30.  But I'd still bet that vocal is Blondie.

The falsetto melody on top of the stack at 3:12 does indeed sound like Toni Tennille. 

Did someone mention WHICH "Marcella" parts are Brian's?  I've always wondered that; I'm listening to it now for the first time in a while and there's a lot of stuff here (some of it sped up), especially Carl, Dennis and Mike parts.  Even now I can't pick Brian out for sure but I bet if someone pointed it out to me I'd be slapping my forehad because it's so obvious.  This is such a great track, unusually and authentically gritty for the BBs. 

Speaking of unidentified bass-y vocals, there's an odd one that I've never been able to identify in the left channel at 2:59 (not the high "Marcella hey" but the low "hey Marcella").  Again, it sounds most like '76-era Brian, but even then not that much.  There's a grainy drawl to it that doesn't sound like any of our lads and also suggests an unpracticed singer.  I'd bet that vocal part is a non group member...curious to know who it was (Jack Rieley?).

One more question:  do we know of any CATP tracks that Bruce participated in, singing or playing?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 06, 2007, 03:44:27 PM
I emailed Alan Boyd for more information about "Mess of Help" -- and if he gives me his permission I will repost it -- but this excerpt from this email made me feel smart:  ;)

"By the way, did anyone note that Jack Reiley sings on MARCELLA?  "Heyyyyy Marcella" starting at 2:58?"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 06, 2007, 04:47:41 PM
Here's Alan Boyd with what he has to offer about "Mess of Help" (reposted by permission):

"Lemme see what I have in the database about the Beatrice tape (that's how it's still labeled)

Just listened to the album and single masters on iTunes with the "sound enhancer" all the way up (emphasizes the discrete left and right stuff).  I hear Carl as one of the voices there on the left channel, especially at 1:15 or so.  But someone else is singing a higher part on top of that... and I just don't know for sure who it is!  Don't wanna speculate...


Maybe one of these days we'll pull that 16 track tape and listen to the isolated vocals.


Here's what's on the tracksheet.  Nothing definite, I'm afraid.


1 - drums
2 - drums
3 - kick
4 - band fiddle
5 - band fiddle
6 - bass
7
8 -piano
9 - piano
10 - organ
11 - B vocal
12 - B vocal OD
13 - GTR combine
14 - lead voc
15 - lead voc
16-  local od (illegible)"

This is suggestive in a number of ways.  There's only two tracks for backing vocals, 11 and 12.  That means either they were all done in one go (that is with all members on hand doing their parts), or they were done on separate tracks earlier in the process and bounced down to two tracks (as were the guitars, apparently, on track 13...or the guitars were all cut to one track by different people, which would be unusual).  Judging by the parts in each channel and how they sound, it seems more likely that they weren't bounced, which would mean one band member per part.  But one can't say for sure.

So then we have two lead vocals at 14 and 15 and track 16, which says "local od."  OD means overdub, so chances are this was a VOCAL overdub...could this be Carl's right channel vocal, and 14 and 15 were the "rough" tracks that appear in the left channel?  In this case, they could all be Carl.  OTOH, if 16 is a different vocal overdub (perhaps the high pitched, sped up vocals in the third verse), then Carl could only be two of the three (or four) lead vocals.

Interestingly, I don't see a track for the banjo.  Was it on track 7 and not marked?  The banjo is panned opposite to the guitars, so it can't be on the guitar track.  I also don't hear an organ on the track, despite there being a track for one.  It may have not made the final mix.

One argument AGAINST track 16 being the final "clean" vocal is that it's recording custom to not put crucial tracks on the "edge" tracks (in this case, 1 and 16) because they are more susceptible to wear.  However, given that the stereo drums are on track 1 and 2, this protocol doesn't seem to have been followed.  It looks instead like the tracks were assigned with a different order in mind.  Either way, track 16 may well have been the last open track if track 7 had the banjo on it.

So, I got my wish and saw the track sheet, and it didn't really answer any questions.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Alan Boyd on September 06, 2007, 05:23:56 PM
Keep in mind - the info above is simply what was written on the track sheet (or it may have been a console strip, I don't recall) that happened to survive in the tape box.  Sometimes those documents pre-date the last sessions, and might not have all of the parts noted... and they might have later mixed and bounced selected tracks down in order to make room for additional overdubs.  There's no way to know for sure without pulling the tape itself...

Alan


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on September 07, 2007, 11:23:58 AM
That low part on "He Come Down" that you mentioned, Adamghost, sounds to me like it could easily be Mike putting on a slightly funny voice, especially since he sings the bass elsewhere on the song. He would still have time to leap up to and sing the "He came down"s.
Mess of Help has never been one of my favorite tunes, but this discussion is interesting! No one has mentioned Al at all in the mix, I am assuming he sang on the track so perhaps his voice may account for some of the harmonies in question?

Sure.  I don't hear him, though.  Doesn't mean he's not there.  I assume that's him on the banjo, although it's more solid picking than any of the other stuff we know he did.

As for Brian on "Cuddle Up"...those b. vox could well date from the SURF'S UP sessions -- that track started life IIRC as a SURF'S UP track called "Old Movie" and he's on "Live Again" which dates from around the same period -- and thus not have been on Carl's mind.

I'd be surprised if Brian WASN'T on "He Come Down," but who knows.  I'd like to know if that's him on that low part.  It sounds exactly like him...in 1976.

That low part on "He Come Down" that you mentioned, Adamghost, sounds to me like it could easily be Mike putting on a slightly funny voice, especially since he sings the bass elsewhere on the song. He would still have time to leap up to and sing the "He came down"s.

I wonder if it is Carl who sings the answering vocals to Mike's "He came down"s. Is anyone sure? Could it possibly be Blondie?

You mean at 3:49?  Pretty sure that's Carl.

As for the low part, I was going off old impressions...giving it a fresh listen, there's something very interesting going on there and it could be we're both right.

It sounds like you might be referring to the bass part BEFORE the "He Came Downs," which do sound like Mike...the part I'm talking about is at around 4:00 AFTER them, but backing up from that a little bit: on the "he came downs", Mike starts the call and response at 3:44 in the left channel, but he's doubled by a second voice in the RIGHT channel at 3:52 halfway through the call and response part, which is why "show me the way" and "thanking the lord" don't sound as tight as the lines that preceded it.   It's this right channel voice that I thought sounded like the 1976 Brian (the left channel is, indeed, Mike).  Listening more carefully, there's more to this than I thought:  the whole part goes "mmhmm, mmhmm, dit dit dit dit, yeah, mmm, [indistinct], Lord, mmmm yeah yeah yeah yeah."  It isn't as much of a ringer for '76 Brian as I thought, and I can buy that the show me the way" and "thanking the lord" are Mike (and I could also buy that the right channel bass vocal that is in the "yes I believe it!" part is also Mike), but listen to that "yeah."  There's just way too much body to that vocal for Mike to my ears.  Also, listening carefully to the LEFT channel vocal, which is definitely Mike up 'til 3:57 when he goes "mm-hmm-hmm." But the lower "yeah" sounds like in might be a different vocal, the same non-Mike voice that's in the right channel to me.  But it could be Mike.  I can't tell.

So, what's the scoop here?  The right channel vocal from 3:53 (and perhaps before that) to 4:02 doesn't sound like anybody in the group to me except Brian, four years later.  I suppose it could be Dennis, or perhaps Blondie or Ricky singing in an unfamiliar timbre, or some oddball like Jack Rieley.  Or I could be completely on drugs and it's all Mike, but it really does sound like a sketchy vocal track that Carl mixed in and out depending on how well this or that line sounded.  Which would point to Brian.  But darned if I  can say for sure.  It's interesting the way a lot of these '72-'73 tracks were recorded, because they were really favoring multiple counterpoint vocals over harmony stacks...possibly because they could only get a few members of the band in the studio at the same time.
Thanks, I think it is Carl beginning at about 3:44.

I agree with you after listening to the right channel that there are two bass-y voices. The left channel one still sounds most like Mike to me. The right channel voice which I hadn't noticed before (singing dit dit dit and so on) I agree sounds like '76 Brian most of all (particularly that slightly loose "yeah"). The odd thing is that it is an octave above the left channel voice and they sing "yeah" perfectly together. The left channel "yeah" could possibly be the same voice but I think Mike is more likely. The reason why is that the right channel voice goes down an octave to the same notes as the left channel voice but sings "yeah" again instead of "Lord" at 4:00 and the right channel voice sounds less bass-y on the low notes.

It may be the same voice which is last to finish before everything stops except for the piano prior to the "He came down"s. I used to assume that was Dennis but it now sounds to me like '76 Brian.

I suppose all this is possible because Brian seems to have freely chosen his voice change to some degree and he is a bit croaky too on "Add Some Music" and "Til I Die".

On "Marcella" the "dooby doos" are just after the "Heyyy Marcella"s. They don't sound like Brian to me. Maybe Carl but not really like anybody in the group. The "Heyyy Marcella"s on the other hand do sound like Brian to me, and I used to think they were Dennis.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 07, 2007, 12:11:41 PM
Not wishing to blow any straw houses down, but 1971/2 Brian didn't sound anything like 1976 Brian. The voice was still largely intact, if somewhat under-exercised. The "Awake" demo ?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on September 07, 2007, 01:40:23 PM
Not wishing to blow any straw houses down, but 1971/2 Brian didn't sound anything like 1976 Brian. The voice was still largely intact, if somewhat under-exercised. The "Awake" demo ?

That's a good point. I didn't mean that the voices sounded similar, but I supposed that when Brian's voice was still intact, circumstances or choice or a combination of both could possibly lead to him singing more like he did in '76 at times? What about "The Baker Man" for instance? I also wondered if Brian could have lost his voice a bit by 1972 but regained it by 1973 for "California".

Unfortunately I don't know the "Awake" demo.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 07, 2007, 03:47:33 PM
Not wishing to blow any straw houses down, but 1971/2 Brian didn't sound anything like 1976 Brian. The voice was still largely intact, if somewhat under-exercised. The "Awake" demo ?

Or the Nov. '74 "California Feeling" demo...no argument that Brian still had the old voice that late.  But the fact remains there is a guy that sounds like '76 Brian -- and no one else in the group -- on "He Came Down."  There's some evidence that there was an element of choice and change in placement behind the different sounds of his voice post '75.  That's still true today...when Brian sings in his "sweet" tone he can sometimes approximate, though not recapture, his earlier vocal style.  It's not all voice damage.  There's a change in delivery.

Of course "something" happened to Brian's voice to permanently change it in '75, but it is possible that Brian could "do" the later voice well before '75, particularly if he'd been smoking a lot that day.  If so, it would be enlightening as to the mechanics of the seemingly sudden shift.

There's an intriguing boot somewhere of an early take of Brian and Jan Berry's "Don't You Just Know It" which dates from around this time.  Brian is trying to negotiate in and out of falsetto and he is having all kinds of trouble with the crossovers, overshooting notes, hitting a wall at the top of his tenor range, etc.  What seems to happen with some singers when they shift to baritone is that they can no longer link up the two ranges...Elton John is a good example of this.  His voice was affected markedly by throat surgery, but it seems that it wasn't so much that post-surgery he couldn't sing falsetto at all (though his voice deepened more and more over the years) but that he couldn't move in and out of falsetto as effortlessly as he used to, and it became more and more something he could only rely on in very limited and brief situations.  I can tell you as a singer that the smooth crossover in and out of falsetto/head voice is the hardest thing to master and when your voice gets stressed it's often the first thing to go.

It may be that, in addition to whatever happened in '75, something similar was happening gradually with Brian in the early seventies.  For sure he was having trouble singing before that (witness the infamous "I can't sing this bitch" that closes his vocal on the SUNFLOWER-era outtake "Walkin'").  Al has opined that Brian deliberately destroyed his voice, and there's probably some truth to that.  But it may have also gotten to be too difficult to try to sing the old way.

Just theorizin'.  Bottom line, we actually don't have a lot of instances of Brian pre-1976 singing in the bass range.  So maybe that's just what he sounded like down there when he sang in a loud baritone, even in '72.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on September 07, 2007, 04:08:47 PM
I have often mistook Jack Reiley's voice for 76 Brian.  :-\


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 07, 2007, 09:56:38 PM
On Add Some Music and Til I Die Brian is simply singing in a lower register. He also on both songs does a high falsetto. I don't hear damage at all. I think Brian's just trying to rock up his falsetto on Don't You Just Know It. It's not what I would call his most polished vocal, but I don't think he was shooting for that. On Sweet Mountian and He Come Down I think Brian was again just singing low, kind of experimenting with his voice. At no time before 1975 do I hear Brian not nailing a vocal. I think he just didn't like "Walkin" as he said before it even started "I don't want to sing it".In fact what is there is quite good and full of sly nuance. As early as I'm Waiting For The Day, Brian was devloping his lower voice, but it's the on pitch one that lasted clear through 75. Heroes is another example of Brian singing low. He sure wasn't loosing his voice then.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on September 08, 2007, 06:39:26 AM
MBE is right. Its definite (not even debatable really) that Brian was in full possession of his "sweet" voice until he declared war on it in 1975. Sadly Brian won.   :(


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 08, 2007, 10:08:52 AM
His voice is pretty rough on Drip Drop from 74.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Alan Boyd on September 08, 2007, 11:27:00 AM
"Drip Drop" is from 1974?  Is there documentation on that?

On "Country Air," there's a moment there when one can almost hear what Brian's voice was gonna sound like in ten years.  "Get a look at THAT clear blue skyyyyy"



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 08, 2007, 01:30:07 PM
"Drip Drop" is from 1974?  Is there documentation on that?

Mea culpa - that's what it says on 10452. That's what I was told by, um, 'someone else'.  ::)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on September 09, 2007, 01:36:35 AM
I know that this is kind of off topic, but I just wanted to say that I LOVE this thread.   :) Hey, is there going to be a "bootleg" lead vocal topic?  ;D For instance, the song Sherry, She Needs Me. It's a 1965 track with a 1976 vocal. What I can't figure out is, is it a 1965 falsetto, or was the vocal totally "new" when added in 1976?


Ok, back to the topic. I always  thought that the "gruff" vocal on You Need A Mess of Help was Blondie.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 09, 2007, 02:22:23 AM
So is Drip Drop from later?  76?

BW still had the falsetto in 76 - okay, admittedly it was more strained, but it was there.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on September 09, 2007, 05:43:26 AM
I know that this is kind of off topic, but I just wanted to say that I LOVE this thread.   :) Hey, is there going to be a "bootleg" lead vocal topic?  ;D For instance, the song Sherry, She Needs Me. It's a 1965 track with a 1976 vocal. What I can't figure out is, is it a 1965 falsetto, or was the vocal totally "new" when added in 1976?


Ok, back to the topic. I always  thought that the "gruff" vocal on You Need A Mess of Help was Blondie.

All "Sherry" vocals are from 1976 (and they're all Brian). 
The "Sandy" vocals, however, are from 1965, and they are the group (not just Brian).  But there's no lead vocal on that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Alan Boyd on September 09, 2007, 04:54:43 PM
We don't seem to have Drip Drop in the vaults, so I couldn't say for sure when it was recorded - Andrew's source may well be accurate. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 09, 2007, 08:18:37 PM
I don't think Drip Drop is from 1974. First of all it's an oldie and Brian wasn't into oldies nearly as much at that stage.  Secondly The production is pure 15 Big Ones Love You, nothing at all like anything he cut before that. He also sounds VERY rough he does some semi speaking on it and you could tell he didn't even sound close to that on Child Of Winter or Hard Times which were cut during the last few months of '74. Thirdly Jimmie Seiter (engineer at the California Music sessions) told me that Brian did not sound hoarse to him during the time they worked together in the early part of 1975. Even discounting what Jimmie told me as heresay, unless Brian totally destroyed his voice between November (when Child Of Winter was finished) and December of 1974, and recorded Drip Drop right at the end of the year I just don't think it dates from there. One last thing hearing Brian on Johnny Rivers Help Me Rhonda  tells me that it wasn't until the summer of 1975 that, as pixletwin so aptly put it,  Brian went to war with his voice.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 10, 2007, 11:09:14 AM
I don't think Drip Drop is from 1974. First of all it's an oldie and Brian wasn't into oldies nearly as much at that stage.  Secondly The production is pure 15 Big Ones Love You, nothing at all like anything he cut before that. He also sounds VERY rough he does some semi speaking on it and you could tell he didn't even sound close to that on Child Of Winter or Hard Times which were cut during the last few months of '74. Thirdly Jimmie Seiter (engineer at the California Music sessions) told me that Brian did not sound hoarse to him during the time they worked together in the early part of 1975. Even discounting what Jimmie told me as heresay, unless Brian totally destroyed his voice between November (when Child Of Winter was finished) and December of 1974, and recorded Drip Drop right at the end of the year I just don't think it dates from there. One last thing hearing Brian on Johnny Rivers Help Me Rhonda  tells me that it wasn't until the summer of 1975 that, as pixletwin so aptly put it,  Brian went to war with his voice.

Wow!  All good stuff.  It doesn't, of course, prove that Brian was incapable of singing that way prior to '75, but it's suggestive that he didn't, anyhow.  But if it's not him (and I agree, there's considerable evidence to weigh against it), who is it?  I don't buy Jack Reiley.  It doesn't sound like the same guy singing at the end of "Marcella," plus it's a more demanding vocal part.

Alan Boyd and I had dinner together Saturday and this was one of the topics of conversation (yes, we're geeks).  He did mention the "Country Air" track where Brian sounded very much like he would sound 10 years later.  He also emailed me the next day with the following observation (he's on vacation now and can't post, but I assume he wouldn't have a problem with me quoting him):

"I haven't had time to really go through the thread so I don't know if anyone mentioned this or not, but you where I REALLY hear a voice that sounds like Brian in 1976?
 
Left channel. 3:39. The lingering voice at the end of that long hold on the word "be-lieeeeeeve." (I remember thinking that back in the late 1970s, too.) "

I went and listened and he's right...although if you listen to the cadence on the vocal line that precedes that final note, it sounds very Dennis.

One other note from our conversation re this thread:  according to Alan, Al Jardine has said that he sang on "Auld Lang Syne."  Al's memory is not always reliable (he was dead certain when he played "Honkin'" with us that it was the first time he'd performed it until Boyd corrected him) and I still don't hear a part for him, but he was there and I wasn't, so take that for what it's worth.  As for "And Your Dream Comes True" he states categorically that Dennis was not on the session tapes. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 13, 2007, 07:23:21 AM
One other note from our conversation re this thread:  according to Alan, Al Jardine has said that he sang on "Auld Lang Syne."  Al's memory is not always reliable (he was dead certain when he played "Honkin'" with us that it was the first time he'd performed it until Boyd corrected him) and I still don't hear a part for him, but he was there and I wasn't, so take that for what it's worth.  As for "And Your Dream Comes True" he states categorically that Dennis was not on the session tapes. 

I dunno, I'd rather trust your ears than Al's memory. Al could have rehearsed it, but never made vinyl. How would he know which take Brian used when Al went home. With all due respect to Al, I think we should keep the listing like it is.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 13, 2007, 11:28:25 AM
One other note from our conversation re this thread:  according to Alan, Al Jardine has said that he sang on "Auld Lang Syne."  Al's memory is not always reliable (he was dead certain when he played "Honkin'" with us that it was the first time he'd performed it until Boyd corrected him) and I still don't hear a part for him, but he was there and I wasn't, so take that for what it's worth.  As for "And Your Dream Comes True" he states categorically that Dennis was not on the session tapes. 

I dunno, I'd rather trust your ears than Al's memory. Al could have rehearsed it, but never made vinyl. How would he know which take Brian used when Al went home. With all due respect to Al, I think we should keep the listing like it is.

At some future point I'll sit down with a piano and map out the parts just to make sure...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 14, 2007, 01:03:32 AM
I don't think Drip Drop is from 1974. First of all it's an oldie and Brian wasn't into oldies nearly as much at that stage.  Secondly The production is pure 15 Big Ones Love You, nothing at all like anything he cut before that. He also sounds VERY rough he does some semi speaking on it and you could tell he didn't even sound close to that on Child Of Winter or Hard Times which were cut during the last few months of '74. Thirdly Jimmie Seiter (engineer at the California Music sessions) told me that Brian did not sound hoarse to him during the time they worked together in the early part of 1975. Even discounting what Jimmie told me as heresay, unless Brian totally destroyed his voice between November (when Child Of Winter was finished) and December of 1974, and recorded Drip Drop right at the end of the year I just don't think it dates from there. One last thing hearing Brian on Johnny Rivers Help Me Rhonda  tells me that it wasn't until the summer of 1975 that, as pixletwin so aptly put it,  Brian went to war with his voice.


Wow!  All good stuff.  It doesn't, of course, prove that Brian was incapable of singing that way prior to '75, but it's suggestive that he didn't, anyhow.  But if it's not him (and I agree, there's considerable evidence to weigh against it), who is it?  I don't buy Jack Reiley.  It doesn't sound like the same guy singing at the end of "Marcella," plus it's a more demanding vocal part.

Alan Boyd and I had dinner together Saturday and this was one of the topics of conversation (yes, we're geeks).  He did mention the "Country Air" track where Brian sounded very much like he would sound 10 years later.  He also emailed me the next day with the following observation (he's on vacation now and can't post, but I assume he wouldn't have a problem with me quoting him):

"I haven't had time to really go through the thread so I don't know if anyone mentioned this or not, but you where I REALLY hear a voice that sounds like Brian in 1976?
 
Left channel. 3:39. The lingering voice at the end of that long hold on the word "be-lieeeeeeve." (I remember thinking that back in the late 1970s, too.) "

I went and listened and he's right...although if you listen to the cadence on the vocal line that precedes that final note, it sounds very Dennis.

One other note from our conversation re this thread:  according to Alan, Al Jardine has said that he sang on "Auld Lang Syne."  Al's memory is not always reliable (he was dead certain when he played "Honkin'" with us that it was the first time he'd performed it until Boyd corrected him) and I still don't hear a part for him, but he was there and I wasn't, so take that for what it's worth.  As for "And Your Dream Comes True" he states categorically that Dennis was not on the session tapes. 

What song where you refearing to that I should listen at 3:39? Anyhow glad you liked the post. Personally I always liked Brian a lot on Country Air.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 14, 2007, 07:31:14 AM
When 15 BO came out a lot was made of the fact that Brian was singing in his 'manly' voice.  Now, okay, we know that he'd ruined it through cigarettes and substance abuse, but suppose he was making a deliberate attempt to sing in that style as well.  On MIU, his voice sounds nowhere near as bad (unless it turns out to be Al...).  We can't put this down purely to Al's production and it's only three years later.  I don't mean to suggest that he hadn't ruined his voice, just to hold out the possibility that it hadn't deteriorated quite as far as we think.  I mean, if it was that bad, could he get it back to what it was on MIU?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: matt-zeus on September 14, 2007, 08:26:44 AM
He did mean to sound like that apparently, he was embarassed of his falsetto and wanted to sing more manly, he also apparently wanted to sing like Frank Sinatra, and you can really hear that if you listen to the ballady stuff around that time, particularly Adult child (which he apparently sent some tracks to Frank to see if he was interested).
Brians pronunciation becomes more hard edged too, with to my ears a more 'New York' style accent employed (if I may be so bold), so too on Dennis' singing around this time as well (Perhaps Brian was trying to sing like Dennis as well?).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 14, 2007, 09:41:19 AM
I don't think Drip Drop is from 1974. First of all it's an oldie and Brian wasn't into oldies nearly as much at that stage.  Secondly The production is pure 15 Big Ones Love You, nothing at all like anything he cut before that. He also sounds VERY rough he does some semi speaking on it and you could tell he didn't even sound close to that on Child Of Winter or Hard Times which were cut during the last few months of '74. Thirdly Jimmie Seiter (engineer at the California Music sessions) told me that Brian did not sound hoarse to him during the time they worked together in the early part of 1975. Even discounting what Jimmie told me as heresay, unless Brian totally destroyed his voice between November (when Child Of Winter was finished) and December of 1974, and recorded Drip Drop right at the end of the year I just don't think it dates from there. One last thing hearing Brian on Johnny Rivers Help Me Rhonda  tells me that it wasn't until the summer of 1975 that, as pixletwin so aptly put it,  Brian went to war with his voice.


Wow!  All good stuff.  It doesn't, of course, prove that Brian was incapable of singing that way prior to '75, but it's suggestive that he didn't, anyhow.  But if it's not him (and I agree, there's considerable evidence to weigh against it), who is it?  I don't buy Jack Reiley.  It doesn't sound like the same guy singing at the end of "Marcella," plus it's a more demanding vocal part.

Alan Boyd and I had dinner together Saturday and this was one of the topics of conversation (yes, we're geeks).  He did mention the "Country Air" track where Brian sounded very much like he would sound 10 years later.  He also emailed me the next day with the following observation (he's on vacation now and can't post, but I assume he wouldn't have a problem with me quoting him):

"I haven't had time to really go through the thread so I don't know if anyone mentioned this or not, but you where I REALLY hear a voice that sounds like Brian in 1976?
 
Left channel. 3:39. The lingering voice at the end of that long hold on the word "be-lieeeeeeve." (I remember thinking that back in the late 1970s, too.) "

I went and listened and he's right...although if you listen to the cadence on the vocal line that precedes that final note, it sounds very Dennis.

One other note from our conversation re this thread:  according to Alan, Al Jardine has said that he sang on "Auld Lang Syne."  Al's memory is not always reliable (he was dead certain when he played "Honkin'" with us that it was the first time he'd performed it until Boyd corrected him) and I still don't hear a part for him, but he was there and I wasn't, so take that for what it's worth.  As for "And Your Dream Comes True" he states categorically that Dennis was not on the session tapes. 

What song where you refearing to that I should listen at 3:39? Anyhow glad you liked the post. Personally I always liked Brian a lot on Country Air.

Mike, I think he's referring to He Came Down from So Tough. I always thought that was Brian myself. As he was one of the writers on  it, I'd imagine it was him. Doesn't really sound like Dennis to me.

There's a tape floating around somewhere featuring Brian playing the piano and singing parts of what would become the Fairy Tale music off of  Holland. Brian still has his early 70s voice, at least in pitch, but it is rather gravelly in places. Picture the Brian of 1972 singing the same way he did "Airplane" from the Love You piano demos. An earlier(?) tape which more people might have heard features Brian playing the same song and singing, only with what sounds like Diane present. Brian sounds not quite as rapsy,but his voice is lower pitched.  Of course, that might have been later rather than earlier, but with Brian its hard to tell. Point is his voice was changing around this time, and depending on how much he snorted & smoked in a particular day, his voice might sound a bit rougher. Of course, after a certain point, there was no going back...

As for the production of "Drip Drop"....that wasn't that unusual for 1974. Actually, "Walkin" also sounded like a Love You track in parts, but that was from 1968!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 15, 2007, 12:20:16 AM
Billy first let me say I always respect what you have to say, but I would like to offer a different view on a couple of things.

It's probably Brian on He Come Down and Sweet Mountain, but the thing is is that he's not off pitch or off key. It's a controlled low voice to my ears. The late 1975-82 vocals could sometimes sound on pitch but Brian overall didn't seem to be trying.

The Fairy Tale "Demo" is hard to hear because the quality is crummy. I believe it dates from 1973 or 1974 as Brian was playing it for a reporter who liked it on Holland. From what I can make out, his speaking voice sounds like the young Brian, and his singing on it to my ears sounds pretty letter perfect. Truthfully it is of such lousy quality that I don't think his voice can be completely measured. I guess we are hearing different things.

Walkin' to me has that Susie Cincinnati harmonica sound and a real musical feel. It's quirky like Love You, but not really close to my ears in production style.

The demos for Love You were done around September of 1976, Brian sounds more laid back but those are pretty rough even on the quiet notes.

Drip Drop is harder to say, but it does seem a little more plastic sounding then the 1974 stuff if you know what I mean. I hope I don't sound arrogant but nothing could convince me that Drip Drop is 1974 because he doesn't sound like a man in transition his voice is wrecked there. The 9-74 interview I have heard with Brian sounds like his old voice. Hard Times, and Child Of Winter sound like the old Brian, and according to those that have heard it California Feelin is a classic Brian vocal. Jimmi Seiter told me that Brian sounded OK in early 1975, plus more then one of Brian's friends told me that he set out to destroy it at a very specific time. It seems that he did it in short order to me possible in the fall of 1975. Now some site MIU as proof that his voice came back.While the rough edges are gone, he never sounds like the old Brian. It's kind of like his vocals since the late nineties to me, most are on pitch, but none sound really like the young Brian Wilson .

No doubt Brian's smoking and drug use didn't help his voice but the change is so radical and quick that My belief is that he put it through deliberate trauma by smoking obsessively, and perhaps upping his drug intake.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on September 15, 2007, 01:16:12 PM
Child of Winter sounds like old Brian? You mean the crazy Grinch voice?


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 15, 2007, 10:52:28 PM
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The Fairy Tale "Demo" is hard to hear because the quality is crummy. I believe it dates from 1973 or 1974 as Brian was playing it for a reporter who liked it on Holland. From what I can make out, his speaking voice sounds like the young Brian, and his singing on it to my ears sounds pretty letter perfect. Truthfully it is of such lousy quality that I don't think his voice can be completely measured. I guess we are hearing different things.
There are actually two Fairy tale demos out there. The one where Diane is present (at least I THINK it's Diane), which runs about 5 or 6 minutes and is in pretty steady circulation,so to speak. The other, which admittedly I have only heard two or three times and not for several months, runs about a minute and a half, and features Brian pratically screaming the "Pied Piper...better get back in bed" part over and over again. Real crappy sound quality like it was recorded on a handheld (and probably was).Of course, for all I know it might have been recorded much later, and I'm just assuming it was recorded in 1973. One thing I never thought of though is it might actually be a Lazy Lizzie demo, since they do share the same melody. Maybe Brian was just playing around with it and decided to sing the Pied Piper lyrics on top. Obviously that would make it some time later.:lol

I think the only way we'll ever know when Drip Drop was made is if one of us asks someone who played on the session! Sadly, I don't know who did!


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Post by: adamghost on September 16, 2007, 11:36:20 AM
<<those that have heard it California Feelin is a classic Brian vocal>>

I've heard it.  What I would say is that 70-80% of this old voice is there, if that makes any sense.  It's got most of his classic voice but is rough around the edges in spots.

The interesting thing about M.I.U. is you really have to listen closely to see how they gave the illusion that Brian's voice was back.  Make no mistake, he was singing with a softer tone and had made some recovery on songs like "Match Point" -- which is evidence that there's a good deal of conscious placement choices with Brian's singing, but there's a good bit of clever mixing going on as well...the backing vocals were set back in the track and nicely reverbed and balanced, but if you brought 'em up front, some of 'em are pretty rough.  You can tell this most easily by comparing some of the CHRISTMAS ALBUM mixes to the M.l.U. ones.


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Post by: the captain on September 16, 2007, 02:41:02 PM
The interesting thing about M.I.U. is you really have to listen closely to see how they gave the illusion that Brian's voice was back.  Make no mistake, he was singing with a softer tone and had made some recovery on songs like "Match Point" -- which is evidence that there's a good deal of conscious placement choices with Brian's singing, but there's a good bit of clever mixing going on as well...the backing vocals were set back in the track and nicely reverbed and balanced, but if you brought 'em up front, some of 'em are pretty rough.

It's nice to see someone finally say this.


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 16, 2007, 09:21:16 PM
I think it sounds good regardless.

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hose that have heard it California Feelin is a classic Brian vocal>>

I've heard it.  What I would say is that 70-80% of this old voice is there, if that makes any sense.  It's got most of his classic voice but is rough around the edges in spots.
I would kill to hear that...


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Post by: pixletwin on September 17, 2007, 08:16:22 AM
I think it sounds good regardless.

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hose that have heard it California Feelin is a classic Brian vocal>>

I've heard it.  What I would say is that 70-80% of this old voice is there, if that makes any sense.  It's got most of his classic voice but is rough around the edges in spots.
I would kill to hear that...

My Gawd. The 74 demo of California Feeling has been my "Holy Grail" of recordings for a while now. I just wish someone would release that puppy. :(


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Post by: adamghost on September 17, 2007, 12:56:45 PM
I'm pretty certain there are those that have pushed pretty hard to have it released!  I don't have a copy of it or much else myself.  From time to time I've gotten to hear this or that from being in the right place at the right time, but I don't have anything in my possession (and I like it that way!).


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Post by: John on September 19, 2007, 05:36:20 AM
One roughly sketched out personnel listing. It was about time I got back into gear...correct and discuss away!


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Post by: pixletwin on September 19, 2007, 07:15:34 AM
Looks about right to me.  ;D


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Post by: signum on September 19, 2007, 09:53:21 AM
I think Ricky sings lead too on "Funky Pretty". I'm not sure about this, but it seems like Alan, Ricky, Blondie and Mike rotate the lead vocal on the chorus. The order of the singers is different each time but to me sounds like:

1st: Alan, Ricky, Blondie, Mike.
2nd: Ricky, Alan, Blondie, Mike.
3rd: Blondie, Alan, Ricky, Mike.

All in all, making things very confusing.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on September 19, 2007, 09:56:03 AM
I have never heard the studio version of We Got Love.  Is it anything like the live version, on which Blondie sings the bridges?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 19, 2007, 02:44:24 PM
Dennis sings lead on part of "Steamboat"?  Where? 

Jack Rieley should get a mention for the fairly tale narration.


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Post by: pixletwin on September 19, 2007, 02:45:23 PM
Dennis sings lead on part of "Steamboat"?  Where? 

Jack Rieley should get a mention for the fairly tale narration.

No way thats Dennis on Steamboat. Carl. Hands down. No doubt abut it.  ;D


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Post by: Jonas on September 19, 2007, 03:02:16 PM
I always thought Funky Pretty was just Carl and Blondie interchanging with a bit of Mike thrown in.

The tag of that song is so fucking epic, it's ridiculous. It's possibly one of my top 5 favorite Beach Boys songs of all time.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 20, 2007, 12:34:55 AM
Dennis sings lead on part of "Steamboat"?  Where? 

Jack Rieley should get a mention for the fairly tale narration.

No way thats Dennis on Steamboat. Carl. Hands down. No doubt abut it.  ;D

Dennis might be the bass vocal, but I wouldn't bet the college fund on it.


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Post by: MBE on September 20, 2007, 12:40:39 AM
Dennis is doing the na na na na part on Steamboat


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 20, 2007, 12:43:43 AM
[Carl]A Pisces lady loves romance (She loves romance)
Her movements tell you at a glance (She loves to dance)
Why they say Pisces rules the dance (She's got the glance)

She values flowers more than gold (She flows like gold)
Thinks of her men as knights of old (She's never bold)
She's very spiritual I'm told (She has never told)
Whoa

But [Alan]where's my spark in the dark?
[Blondie]Glow glow glow c'mon glow
[Ricky]The funky pretty flame in my heart
[Mike]Me and my Pisces lady are apart

[Carl]Her calender is not like ours (She rules the hours)
The hieroglyphs mark changing hours (She rules the stars)
Her guiding light is from the stars (She's got the powers)
Whoa
A book of verse a jug of wine (She's soft like wine)
She'll always tell what's on your mind (She's much like time)
By just your birthday place and time (She's very fine)

[Ricky]'Cause it's a silent night in the sea
[Alan]And if you're cosmic'ly conscious you'll see
[Blondie]Why she's a princess incarnate to me
[Mike]Daughter of Neptune the ruler of the sea

[Carl]The queen in Copenhagee (Funky pretty)
The dream of Amsterdamee (Pretty funky)
The cream of gay Parisee (Funky pretty)
The theme of U Say Asee (Pretty funky)
The scene in Great Britainyee (Funky pretty)
The meaning in Los Angees (Pretty funky)
The heat in Tokyosee (Funky pretty)
The treat in Manhattohsee (Pretty funky)
Yeah yeah funky pretty

[Blondie]She said "Don't worry it's alright
[Alan]I'm coming back when the aspects are right"
[Ricky]And now I look in the paper each day
[Mike]Wonderin' what my horoscope will say

Have to confess, I find it very hard to tell Ricky & Blondie apart.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 20, 2007, 12:48:16 AM
"Hi !" on "The Trader" - Jonah Wilson.

Bonus section - 45 mix of "California" includes Brian response vocals in the first verse.

Just listened to "Steamboat", and I don't hear Dennis on it at all.


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Post by: matt-zeus on September 20, 2007, 03:18:26 AM
Bloody hell!  you can easily see which of those lyrics were by Rieley and which were by Mike - Great Britainyee indeed!


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 20, 2007, 03:27:52 AM
It pains me to admit that it wasn't until maybe three years ago that I realised what "U Say Asee" was...  :o


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: matt-zeus on September 20, 2007, 03:33:48 AM
It pains me to admit that it wasn't until maybe three years ago that I realised what "U Say Asee" was...  :o

An example of crud lyrics?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 20, 2007, 03:50:18 AM
More like an example of crud brian cells... ???


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Post by: John on September 20, 2007, 07:03:56 AM
Jack Rieley should get a mention for the fairly tale narration.

That's done.

Steamboat? I thought that "Oh, don't worry, Mr. Fulton, we'll keep your steamboat rolling" is Dennis, and then Carl comes in with "Oh roll on, foreverrr" or whatever it is over the top. Other voices are there, but to my ears, Denny is the most prominent.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 20, 2007, 07:05:09 AM
I have never heard the studio version of We Got Love.  Is it anything like the live version, on which Blondie sings the bridges?

He does? Right, that's what I get for never listening to the damn song ;)
If that studio version does include Blondie, indeed, I'll change that.


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Post by: John on September 20, 2007, 07:05:47 AM
[Carl]A Pisces lady loves romance (She loves romance)
Her movements tell you at a glance (She loves to dance)
Why they say Pisces rules the dance (She's got the glance)

She values flowers more than gold (She flows like gold)
Thinks of her men as knights of old (She's never bold)
She's very spiritual I'm told (She has never told)
Whoa

But [Alan]where's my spark in the dark?
[Blondie]Glow glow glow c'mon glow
[Ricky]The funky pretty flame in my heart
[Mike]Me and my Pisces lady are apart

[Carl]Her calender is not like ours (She rules the hours)
The hieroglyphs mark changing hours (She rules the stars)
Her guiding light is from the stars (She's got the powers)
Whoa
A book of verse a jug of wine (She's soft like wine)
She'll always tell what's on your mind (She's much like time)
By just your birthday place and time (She's very fine)

[Ricky]'Cause it's a silent night in the sea
[Alan]And if you're cosmic'ly conscious you'll see
[Blondie]Why she's a princess incarnate to me
[Mike]Daughter of Neptune the ruler of the sea

[Carl]The queen in Copenhagee (Funky pretty)
The dream of Amsterdamee (Pretty funky)
The cream of gay Parisee (Funky pretty)
The theme of U Say Asee (Pretty funky)
The scene in Great Britainyee (Funky pretty)
The meaning in Los Angees (Pretty funky)
The heat in Tokyosee (Funky pretty)
The treat in Manhattohsee (Pretty funky)
Yeah yeah funky pretty

[Blondie]She said "Don't worry it's alright
[Alan]I'm coming back when the aspects are right"
[Ricky]And now I look in the paper each day
[Mike]Wonderin' what my horoscope will say

Have to confess, I find it very hard to tell Ricky & Blondie apart.

Thanks, I was hoping someone'd do this. Mind if I include it as a close-up?


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 20, 2007, 07:21:44 AM
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[Carl]The queen in Copenhagee (Funky pretty)
The dream of Amsterdamee (Pretty funky)
The cream of gay Parisee (Funky pretty)
The theme of U Say Asee (Pretty funky)
The scene in Great Britainyee (Funky pretty)
The meaning in Los Angees (Pretty funky)
The heat in Tokyosee (Funky pretty)
The treat in Manhattohsee (Pretty funky)

Am I the only one who thought of Snoop Dogg when I read this? Fo shizzle, yo.
:lol


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Post by: Jonas on September 20, 2007, 07:59:25 AM
Yes.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pendletone on September 20, 2007, 09:47:22 AM
Dennis is doing the na na na na part on Steamboat


Hmmm  -  I also think that's Dennis (You can hear that on the right channel)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on September 20, 2007, 09:56:01 AM
Definitely Dennis on "Don't Worry Mr. Fulton" on Steamboat. And yes the bass is him too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on September 20, 2007, 10:31:09 AM
[Carl]A Pisces lady loves romance (She loves romance)
Her movements tell you at a glance (She loves to dance)
Why they say Pisces rules the dance (She's got the glance)

She values flowers more than gold (She flows like gold)
Thinks of her men as knights of old (She's never bold)
She's very spiritual I'm told (She has never told)
Whoa

But [Alan]where's my spark in the dark?
[Blondie]Glow glow glow c'mon glow
[Ricky]The funky pretty flame in my heart
[Mike]Me and my Pisces lady are apart

[Carl]Her calender is not like ours (She rules the hours)
The hieroglyphs mark changing hours (She rules the stars)
Her guiding light is from the stars (She's got the powers)
Whoa
A book of verse a jug of wine (She's soft like wine)
She'll always tell what's on your mind (She's much like time)
By just your birthday place and time (She's very fine)

[Ricky]'Cause it's a silent night in the sea
[Alan]And if you're cosmic'ly conscious you'll see
[Blondie]Why she's a princess incarnate to me
[Mike]Daughter of Neptune the ruler of the sea

[Carl]The queen in Copenhagee (Funky pretty)
The dream of Amsterdamee (Pretty funky)
The cream of gay Parisee (Funky pretty)
The theme of U Say Asee (Pretty funky)
The scene in Great Britainyee (Funky pretty)
The meaning in Los Angees (Pretty funky)
The heat in Tokyosee (Funky pretty)
The treat in Manhattohsee (Pretty funky)
Yeah yeah funky pretty

[Blondie]She said "Don't worry it's alright
[Alan]I'm coming back when the aspects are right"
[Ricky]And now I look in the paper each day
[Mike]Wonderin' what my horoscope will say

Have to confess, I find it very hard to tell Ricky & Blondie apart.

Thanks for doing that,  Andrew G. Doe. I also must confess I find it hard to tell Ricky and Blondie apart, especially on that first rotated vocal section.

I've listened again, and the hardest bit seems to me the "Glow, glow, glow, c'mon glow".  However the next line sounds more like Blondie to me, so I guess the "Glow" line is Ricky. I'm not sure though.
The other two rotated sections sound most like what you've written.

I think Ricky sounds a bit like Brian and when I first heard the "Holland" album, I thought the "silent night in the sea" line was Brian.

It pains me to admit that it wasn't until maybe three years ago that I realised what "U Say Asee" was...  :o

This discussion of the lyrics is very funny. I too realised a few years ago what "U Say Asee" was!

Jack Rieley should get a mention for the fairly tale narration.

That's done.

Steamboat? I thought that "Oh, don't worry, Mr. Fulton, we'll keep your steamboat rolling" is Dennis, and then Carl comes in with "Oh roll on, foreverrr" or whatever it is over the top. Other voices are there, but to my ears, Denny is the most prominent.

I agree. Dennis sings "we'll keep your steamboat rolling" in harmony with someone. I remember that much, but I haven't access to the track at this time to check it.

Definitely Dennis on "Don't Worry Mr. Fulton" on Steamboat. And yes the bass is him too.

Thanks. I seem to remember thinking the bass was also Dennis, but I haven't checked.



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Post by: adamghost on September 20, 2007, 11:04:23 AM
I always thought Funky Pretty was just Carl and Blondie interchanging with a bit of Mike thrown in.

The tag of that song is so fodaing epic, it's ridiculous. It's possibly one of my top 5 favorite Beach Boys songs of all time.

I can't speak to the Ricky part -- honestly I've never been really able to distinguish his and Blondie's voices, though I haven't really paid close attention to be truthful -- but IIRC Al has a few lines in there, "cosmically conscious" being one.

I'm also being lazy about "Steamboat" in not going back and listening to it but I concur with AGD -- I think Dennis is the bass vocal but it's possible it's someone else doing a Dennis imitation.  My understanding is that Dennis bailed on the HOLLAND sessions early, leaving Carl and others to finish his tracks.  Hence the Carl lead on "Only With You" which, much as I love Carl's voice, is a bland track that would have benefited from Dennis' rougher edge.  Just my opinion.

[Posted before I saw all the other posts, so this is redundant.  -- Adam]


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Post by: John on September 20, 2007, 11:29:19 AM
Definitely Dennis on "Don't Worry Mr. Fulton" on Steamboat. And yes the bass is him too.

Yeah, Denny really seems to stand out there. Is everybody happy with the "With Dennis" credit there? If Mike gets one for "It's About Time" or "Cabinessence", then Denny should get one there was my thinking.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on September 20, 2007, 12:24:56 PM
I'd like to know something about Funky Pretty... During this part:

[Blondie]She said "Don't worry it's alright
[Alan]I'm coming back when the aspects are right"
[Ricky]And now I look in the paper each day
[Mike]Wonderin' what my horoscope will say


There's a voice mixed quite low that goes "funky pretty gone" (or something like that). It sounds like Brian to me, but is it really him?  ???

These parts are quite easy to locate and hear: they are sung after each sentence. "...don't worry it's alright" / "Funky pretty gone", "...aspects are right" / "Funky pretty gone", "...paper each day" / "Funky pretty gone".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 20, 2007, 01:44:32 PM
Playing it back in my head, I'd buy Dennis as one of the "Fulton" voices (with Carl?), particularly if Stebbins says so.  I should go back and listen but my IPod shuffle is on a roll right now and honestly, I've never cared for "Steamboat" very much!  Boyd has told me that this and "Only With You" had a lot of cool stuff buried in the mixdown.  I'll take his word for it.

Y'know, it's interesting how much the BBs were starting down a country-rock road with Ricky and Blondie (and Al Jardine, secondarily) in '72-'73.  It's even more pronounced in some of the outtakes I've gotten to hear from around that time.  It was a nice fit, I think.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 20, 2007, 06:35:59 PM
I have been knocked for saying this before but I honestly think Steamboat has Brian singing "We'll Get Your Stemboat Rollin" with Dennis. The high part sounds more like him then Carl, and even if he did little at the sessions he could have spent five minutes doing a quick overdub. Am I the only one that hears him?  As far Dennis the way the word Rollin is pronounced is his unique phrasing.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on September 20, 2007, 07:38:34 PM
As I recall in a recent conversation... Alan Boyd agreed with me that Dennis was on Steamboat as a vocalist.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 20, 2007, 10:45:49 PM
I have been knocked for saying this before but I honestly think Steamboat has Brian singing "We'll Get Your Stemboat Rollin" with Dennis. The high part sounds more like him then Carl, and even if he did little at the sessions he could have spent five minutes doing a quick overdub. Am I the only one that hears him?  As far Dennis the way the word Rollin is pronounced is his unique phrasing.
I hear Brian too. I at least hear a high Brian part. Which makes the following stranger...
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There's a voice mixed quite low that goes "funky pretty gone" (or something like that). It sounds like Brian to me, but is it really him
Sounds like Brian would a few years later to me, although I've always heard it as "Funky Girl Why", or something like that. I think it's on the left channel. Is that the part?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 21, 2007, 01:54:07 AM
Pulled out the vinyl. I have my turntable hooked to Desper's 360 Spatializer and can make out the parts well. That is Brian going "Funky Pretty gone". He is singing it in a fairly low register but doesn't sound raspy.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on September 21, 2007, 03:03:12 AM

Sounds like Brian would a few years later to me, although I've always heard it as "Funky Girl Why", or something like that. I think it's on the left channel. Is that the part?

I don't think so... The first two words are definitely "funky pretty"... It's in the left channel though. I've tried to locate the part you're referring to, but I can't find it - can you tell me where it is?

Pulled out the vinyl. I have my turntable hooked to Desper's 360 Spatializer and can make out the parts well. That is Brian going "Funky Pretty gone". He is singing it in a fairly low register but doesn't sound raspy.

Thanks.  :) I couldn't see who could have sung it that way, except Brian. "funky pretty" could have sounded like Al, but the "nasal" thing on "gone" is Brian without the shadow of a doubt.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 21, 2007, 06:37:57 AM
I have been knocked for saying this before but I honestly think Steamboat has Brian singing "We'll Get Your Stemboat Rollin" with Dennis. The high part sounds more like him then Carl, and even if he did little at the sessions he could have spent five minutes doing a quick overdub. Am I the only one that hears him?  As far Dennis the way the word Rollin is pronounced is his unique phrasing.
I hear Brian too. I at least hear a high Brian part. Which makes the following stranger...

I hear the B-Section (as I dubbed the "Mr. Fulton"section for want of a better term) as primarily Dennis and maybe Carl, with another Carl (the lead vocal) singing the counter-melody.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 21, 2007, 02:31:02 PM
Carl's falsetto usually sounded more breathy to me though less sweet. Al could be the guy but it sounds less nasal to me then him. I still think it's Brian myself, it's such a small part that he could of again just laid it down quickly and left.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 21, 2007, 06:04:03 PM
I have been knocked for saying this before but I honestly think Steamboat has Brian singing "We'll Get Your Stemboat Rollin" with Dennis. The high part sounds more like him then Carl, and even if he did little at the sessions he could have spent five minutes doing a quick overdub. Am I the only one that hears him?  As far Dennis the way the word Rollin is pronounced is his unique phrasing.

OK now I finally had to go listen to the darn song, damn it all...

I can't believe they were going to open the album with this.  Ballsy, I'll say that.

Alright:
Yeah, I agree.  Dennis on the "Fulton" line on the prominent bottom vocal.  I guess the reason I question this as a lead vocal (particularly since Carl got washed out for co-lead on "Celebrate") is Carl's lead continues through this section, so to me it's a background vocal part, not a lead.

As for Brian on this part...you mean the high part in the left channel over Dennis', right?  I get why you'd say that, it does have a kind of a Brian-like resonance.  But the "worry Mr. Fulton" sounds like Carl's inflection to me, and there's a few places towards the end that sound the same way.  Plus since the track sounds like two people overdubbing themselves to death, and that's a two part harmony, it makes more sense that it's Carl and Dennis and not Dennis and Brian with Carl sitting it out.

So, yeah, I agree it could be Brian, but it sounds more like Carl to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on September 21, 2007, 08:15:15 PM
It pains me to admit that it wasn't until maybe three years ago that I realised what "U Say Asee" was...  :o
Ok, last night I listened to "Funky Pretty". I must have listened to that section about 30 times in a row. I have no fucking idea what that line means. I give up! Somebody PLEASE tell me before my brain explodes.  ???


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 21, 2007, 08:20:41 PM
I think it's just nonsense Jay. Adamghost perhaps Carl and Brian do the high part, but it sure sounds like Brian on the "We'll get your Steamboat rolling" line.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on September 21, 2007, 11:06:16 PM
I am in the same boat as Adam. The first half of that line sounds like Brian, but the phrasing on "we'll get your steamboat rolling" sounds like Carl. It wouldn't be unusual for them to split a vocal line like that. Maybe it is both of them.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on September 22, 2007, 06:06:26 AM
It pains me to admit that it wasn't until maybe three years ago that I realised what "U Say Asee" was...  :o
Ok, last night I listened to "Funky Pretty". I must have listened to that section about 30 times in a row. I have no fodaing idea what that line means. I give up! Somebody PLEASE tell me before my brain explodes.  ???

"U. S.ay A.see" !!!!!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 22, 2007, 07:32:19 AM
Yeah, I agree.  Dennis on the "Fulton" line on the prominent bottom vocal.  I guess the reason I question this as a lead vocal (particularly since Carl got washed out for co-lead on "Celebrate")

HA-HA! So THAT'S what this is about!:D ;)

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is Carl's lead continues through this section, so to me it's a background vocal part, not a lead.

Seriously, I'm not so sure. It's two different parts at once, and it's as loud as the Carl part. I think relative loudness levels have to be a factor in these vocal analyses. It's as much a lead part in my eyes as Mike is on "It's About Time" except Mike sings a tiny bit unaccompanied, but this is a lot longer.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 24, 2007, 06:49:35 AM
As an aside, I'm gonna give Carl a "with" credit on CTN, after due deliberation and much listening.
It's not loud enough for an "and" but a "with" is fine. ;)

Orders of business before we move on:

1) AGD - permission to use the read-out of Funky Pretty for a close-up?

2) Does Blondie sing the bridge on We Got Love studio version?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 24, 2007, 03:10:26 PM
As an aside, I'm gonna give Carl a "with" credit on CTN, after due deliberation and much listening.
It's not loud enough for an "and" but a "with" is fine. ;)

Orders of business before we move on:

1) AGD - permission to use the read-out of Funky Pretty for a close-up?

2) Does Blondie sing the bridge on We Got Love studio version?


No probs.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 24, 2007, 04:34:23 PM
I am in the same boat as Adam. The first half of that line sounds like Brian, but the phrasing on "we'll get your steamboat rolling" sounds like Carl. It wouldn't be unusual for them to split a vocal line like that. Maybe it is both of them.

I think it would be unusual to split a line on what sounds like two parts throughout a continuous vocal track.  You could construct a scenario where Brian starts it and decides he wants to go home and Carl picks it up mid-session, I suppose.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on September 24, 2007, 05:21:04 PM
Wasn't the line from H&V "In the cantina margarits keep the spirits high. There I watched he she swung around and wound in the warmth her body fanned the flame of the dance" split between Brian and Mike? I know there 2 sentences, but the melodic lines goes strait through without a break.

Maybe therein lies the difference?  ???


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on September 24, 2007, 06:51:36 PM
Wasn't the line from H&V "In the cantina margarits keep the spirits high. There I watched he she swung around and wound in the warmth her body fanned the flame of the dance" split between Brian and Mike? I know there 2 sentences, but the melodic lines goes strait through without a break.

Maybe therein lies the difference?  ???

Well, yeah, but that's a lead vocal part, where you're selecting the guy to do one line because you like the timbre of his voice for it (the part Mike sings dips into a lower register where, in '67, he killed).  If you're doing a background vocal (e.g. not featured) part, switching a guy on the top note in the middle of a session is just a pain in the neck to achieve not that great a difference in the overall sound (in fact, you don't WANT a difference in the sound because it's basically the same part).  I can't imagine doing it unless (a) Brian took off or (b) they were different parts done at different times, but it sounds to me like it's all one two-vocal part on one track.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on September 24, 2007, 08:32:28 PM
I know that this has been beaten to death as it is, but I figured I'd add my 2 cents. On the "Mr. Fulton" line, I'm hearing Brian, especially on the "ton" of the word "Fulton".  It has the slight nasal quality of Brian's falsetto. But I also hear Carl for the rest of that line.

On a slightly unrelated note, "Steamboat" creeps the hell out of me for some reason.  :lol I just listened to it for the first time the other night, in total darkness. I won't do that again!  :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on September 24, 2007, 08:38:20 PM
....On a slightly unrelated note, "Steamboat" creeps the hell out of me for some reason.  :lol I just listened to it for the first time the other night, in total darkness. I won't do that again!  :lol

Were you, um, eating sandwiches at the time?  :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 25, 2007, 06:39:42 AM
He was drinking apple cider and listening to Randy Newman's Sail Away.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 25, 2007, 06:40:19 AM

1) AGD - permission to use the read-out of Funky Pretty for a close-up?

No probs.

Thanks!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 27, 2007, 08:59:48 AM
Just made a few minor changes in terminology that have been bugging me to a couple of the earlier albums.

Before we move onto IN CONCERT, can anyone answer my question about We Got Love (specifically, does the studio version feature Blondie on the bridges)?



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: dogear on September 27, 2007, 09:31:43 AM
Yes, it does. Any other suggestions?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on September 27, 2007, 09:48:19 AM
Just wanted to say at this point...before the voices start degrading...THIS is an incredible thread. Thank you to John and all the expert ears out there who are making this truly the definitive evaluation of the Beach Boys vocal credits. As we say out here in sunny California....Awesome!!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on September 27, 2007, 11:33:52 PM
 On the "Mr. Fulton" line, I'm hearing Brian, especially on the "ton" of the word "Fulton".  It has the slight nasal quality of Brian's falsetto. But I also hear Carl for the rest of that line.

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Exactly what I heard too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 28, 2007, 06:36:03 AM
Just wanted to say at this point...before the voices start degrading...THIS is an incredible thread. Thank you to John and all the expert ears out there who are making this truly the definitive evaluation of the Beach Boys vocal credits. As we say out here in sunny California....Awesome!!

Thanks to you too though!

In tandem with the musicians credits thread, this could just be a book. Anyone else agree?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on September 28, 2007, 06:37:16 AM
Yes, it does. Any other suggestions?

Right then, I'll add that. Everyone happy with that?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on September 30, 2007, 08:49:34 PM
Are you sure Ricky doesn't sing LTT?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on September 30, 2007, 09:24:31 PM
I have a few things about "In concert" to add/ask about:

1. At the start of "Sail On Sailor", Dennis yells out "everybody!". Is that enough of a "vocal" to give a mention?

2. Technically, doesn't the entire group(including backing musicians?) sing "Surfer Girl"?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on September 30, 2007, 09:31:06 PM
I have something to mention about Leaving This Town - should Ricky get a mention for his "sometimes it's hard" answer vocal?  According to Cynthia Plas . . . never mind, just kidding. >:D  Not kidding about the refrain, though


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 01, 2007, 12:13:40 AM
2. Technically, doesn't the entire group(including backing musicians?) sing "Surfer Girl"?
The lead on Surfer Girl is the one who sings the "We could ride the surf together, while our love would grow" part.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on October 01, 2007, 12:21:57 AM
2. Technically, doesn't the entire group(including backing musicians?) sing "Surfer Girl"?
The lead on Surfer Girl is the one who sings the "We could ride the surf together, while our love would grow" part.
That's the "bridge". The "main verse" is sung by the entire group ensamble.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 01, 2007, 08:19:24 AM
I have a few things about "In concert" to add/ask about:

1. At the start of "Sail On Sailor", Dennis yells out "everybody!". Is that enough of a "vocal" to give a mention?

Nah. Unless everyone calls for it, I'd rather leave out "spoken" intros and stuff.

Quote
2. Technically, doesn't the entire group(including backing musicians?) sing "Surfer Girl"?

We kinda argued when doing the album version that whoever is the most prominent and sings the bridge should be created as lead, because the others were harmony vocals.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 01, 2007, 08:20:26 AM
I have something to mention about Leaving This Town - should Ricky get a mention for his "sometimes it's hard" answer vocal?  According to Cynthia Plas . . . never mind, just kidding. >:D  Not kidding about the refrain, though

:D

He does, I'll add that then. Album version too?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Uncomfortable Seat on October 01, 2007, 11:54:01 AM
I have something to mention about Leaving This Town - should Ricky get a mention for his "sometimes it's hard" answer vocal?  According to Cynthia Plas . . . never mind, just kidding. >:D  Not kidding about the refrain, though

:D

He does, I'll add that then. Album version too?

I'm glad you understood my infantile joke.  Yes, album version too


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 01, 2007, 02:00:21 PM
This is probably making things needlessly complicated, but I remember resorting to the live version of "Surfer Girl" when we were learning tunes for the show with Jardine because the studio version was so close and low there were some parts I couldn't romance out with certainty, and I remember at the time (I'm using the IPod to get ready for a different show, so I can't confirm my recollection) noting with surprise that the falsetto "lead" vocal (not the bridge) was nobody whose voice I was familiar with.  I assumed it was Hinsche, but does anybody know?  I had expected the voice to be Al's, but it wasn't.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 01, 2007, 02:07:09 PM
Most likely is Billy H.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on October 01, 2007, 04:22:46 PM
"We kinda argued when doing the album version that whoever is the most prominent and sings the bridge should be created as lead, because the others were harmony vocals."

I think a better measure would be who is singing the melody.  "Most prominent" is a bit vague...for instance with Surfer Girl, Brian is the lead because he is singing the melody.  The group is singing harmony with him, but I don't consider that a group "lead vocal".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on October 01, 2007, 07:16:52 PM
Should we give Al some kind of mention for singing the lead on the first chorus of Sloop John B in unison with Carl? It is just the 2 of them singing and at least deserves a special harmony mention.

Seems like Al and Billy did rotate the falsetto during the late 70's quite a bit.  I had never heard of anyone other than Al and Brian doing the Surfer Girl from the 60's- till the mid 80's.  You learn something new everyday!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on October 01, 2007, 09:09:57 PM
This is probably making things needlessly complicated, but I remember resorting to the live version of "Surfer Girl" when we were learning tunes for the show with Jardine because the studio version was so close and low there were some parts I couldn't romance out with certainty, and I remember at the time (I'm using the IPod to get ready for a different show, so I can't confirm my recollection) noting with surprise that the falsetto "lead" vocal (not the bridge) was nobody whose voice I was familiar with.  I assumed it was Hinsche, but does anybody know?  I had expected the voice to be Al's, but it wasn't.
I'm glad somebody mentioned this. This same question has bugged me for years. Let's the "process of elimination" game. It's sounds like Al...but it's not. It's not Dennis, Carl, or Mike. It's can't be Bruce because he wasn't there. ;D  I don't think It's Blondie. I don't know what Ricky sounds like.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 02, 2007, 08:02:12 AM
"We kinda argued when doing the album version that whoever is the most prominent and sings the bridge should be created as lead, because the others were harmony vocals."

I think a better measure would be who is singing the melody.  "Most prominent" is a bit vague...for instance with Surfer Girl, Brian is the lead because he is singing the melody.  The group is singing harmony with him, but I don't consider that a group "lead vocal".

You know, I think that what was actually decided as the criterion, but I'm a sap and forgot that. Yeah, it's whoever's singing the melody.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 02, 2007, 08:03:16 AM
Should we give Al some kind of mention for singing the lead on the first chorus of Sloop John B in unison with Carl? It is just the 2 of them singing and at least deserves a special harmony mention.

Why not! I'll add it.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 02, 2007, 08:24:46 AM
This is probably making things needlessly complicated, but I remember resorting to the live version of "Surfer Girl" when we were learning tunes for the show with Jardine because the studio version was so close and low there were some parts I couldn't romance out with certainty, and I remember at the time (I'm using the IPod to get ready for a different show, so I can't confirm my recollection) noting with surprise that the falsetto "lead" vocal (not the bridge) was nobody whose voice I was familiar with.  I assumed it was Hinsche, but does anybody know?  I had expected the voice to be Al's, but it wasn't.
I'm glad somebody mentioned this. This same question has bugged me for years. Let's the "process of elimination" game. It's sounds like Al...but it's not. It's not Dennis, Carl, or Mike. It's can't be Bruce because he wasn't there. ;D  I don't think It's Blondie. I don't know what Ricky sounds like.

Bobby Figueroa has a mean falsetto... except he wasn't there either. Probably Billy.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Emdeeh on October 02, 2007, 08:42:16 AM
I just got confirmation from Billy Hinsche that it was indeed him (Billy) singing the falsetto on SG live.






Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 02, 2007, 09:39:42 AM
I just got confirmation from Billy Hinsche that it was indeed him (Billy) singing the falsetto on SG live.



Neat!  Is that worth a mention, then?  It is a prominent part...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 02, 2007, 11:52:29 AM
I just got confirmation from Billy Hinsche that it was indeed him (Billy) singing the falsetto on SG live.



Neat!  Is that worth a mention, then?  It is a prominent part...

I say YES...let's give Mr. Billy H. an official credit in this definitive thread. It's a leadish vocal on an official BB's LP.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 03, 2007, 08:57:09 AM
Done and done.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 03, 2007, 11:33:13 AM
So that's Al on the bridge, right?

I think it should be "Group, with Al on bridge and Billy on falsetto"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 04, 2007, 07:35:20 AM
I disagree, mainly because part of the motive in my mind of this thread was to get rid of the "Group" listing, unless all members of the group including Brian are there. Al is the bridge, Billy is the falsetto, everyone else is harmony vocals seems fine to me, unless there's a massive outcry.  ;D :-D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 04, 2007, 08:54:29 AM
I disagree, mainly because part of the motive in my mind of this thread was to get rid of the "Group" listing, unless all members of the group including Brian are there. Al is the bridge, Billy is the falsetto, everyone else is harmony vocals seems fine to me, unless there's a massive outcry.  ;D :-D

Billy called me about another matter last night and we talked a little about this thread. He reiterated that the SG falsetto is his...and he thought the fact that we were all developing this thread was very cool!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 05, 2007, 07:10:51 AM
Excellent! I'm really glad this thread has gone the distance. I find this much more interesting than rehashing the "scandal". The fact that this board is largely about the actual music was what brought me here anyway.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 07, 2007, 02:59:46 PM
I might also give Dennis a credit for the bass vocal on Its OK since there are some lines with no other vocals on top of them...yeah. But I'd imagine Mike might have more than a few of those on some of the earlier stuff.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 08, 2007, 07:26:04 AM
I tend to leave out anything like bass vocals for Mike and short passages of falsetto for Brian since that's their standard schtick anyway, but since I'm already listing Denny for the tag, I'll add the bass vocal since he doesn't do it that often.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: cerro azul on October 08, 2007, 10:07:43 AM
Toni Tennille's voice is distinctly prominent on "Everyone's in Love With You" -- specifically this passage:
"Because, because, because you gave your love...."
Would this be worthy of a (background vocals) footnote?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 08, 2007, 03:34:40 PM
That's Dennis on "fun to ride"? I always thought it was Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 08, 2007, 04:29:40 PM
That's Dennis on "fun to ride"? I always thought it was Brian.

Find a ride...and yes its Dennis.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pendletone on October 08, 2007, 04:30:40 PM
That's Dennis on "fun to ride"?

Yep - 100%

Edit: Oh okay, Jon was first  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on October 08, 2007, 04:35:49 PM
That's Dennis on "fun to ride"? I always thought it was Brian.

Find a ride...and yes its Dennis.

I always thought it was Fun to run.  :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on October 08, 2007, 10:33:16 PM
I thought it was "FLAG a ride". In fact, I think that version of the line is quoted in the 15BO/Love You "twofer".  :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on October 08, 2007, 10:35:46 PM
Should we include "Sherry She Needs Me" as a "bonus song"? The backing track is from 1965, but the vocal is from 1976-ish. So technically, wasn't "Sherry..." a 15BO outtake?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 09, 2007, 07:19:05 AM
I thought it was "FLAG a ride". In fact, I think that version of the line is quoted in the 15BO/Love You "twofer".  :lol

Nope - the liners say "find a ride".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: matt-zeus on October 09, 2007, 07:31:35 AM
Should we include "Sherry She Needs Me" as a "bonus song"? The backing track is from 1965, but the vocal is from 1976-ish. So technically, wasn't "Sherry..." a 15BO outtake?

But then there are so many outtakes from this period for 15BO, Adult Child, Love you and New album, all kind of recorded at similar times and overlapping. I'd be glad to see them listed though.
I think Sherry was post 15 Big ones, all Brian on the vox too, one of my favourite vocals by him from the late 70s. The shrillness of the falsetto reminds me a lot Frankie Valli, which is a coincidence as the song is about Sherry...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: mikeyj on October 09, 2007, 08:06:57 AM
The fact that this board is largely about the actual music was what brought me here anyway.

Yeh I couldn't agree more John, that is the reason this board is the best. Plus I think that everyone can debate without making things personal is a great thing too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on October 09, 2007, 09:26:06 AM
Should we include "Sherry She Needs Me" as a "bonus song"? The backing track is from 1965, but the vocal is from 1976-ish. So technically, wasn't "Sherry..." a 15BO outtake?

I think it should be included. There was some important things going on during this period... Even if they weren't officially released.

Just my .02


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 09, 2007, 12:04:46 PM
I'm trying to stay away from unreleased stuff. It's just a big can of worms. I considered doing it, but then I realised that we're already doing twenty or thirty albums as it is. And like you say, there's tons of unreleased stuff from this era alone.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 09, 2007, 12:06:04 PM
Toni Tennille's voice is distinctly prominent on "Everyone's in Love With You" -- specifically this passage:
"Because, because, because you gave your love...."
Would this be worthy of a (background vocals) footnote?

Sure, why not?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 10, 2007, 08:47:50 AM
Not much contention here, as I anticipated, so let's do Love You.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 10, 2007, 09:47:39 AM
TNWSY - Brian prominent in the chorus vocal (1st line - "Is somebody gonna tell me")

The bvs on "Let Us..." are the whole band.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 10, 2007, 10:34:19 AM
I see. I'll fix those both very soon.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 10, 2007, 11:17:48 AM
What's the source for Bruce multitracking himself on the tag of  "I'll Bet He's Nice"?  I've always thought I've heard him in the blend, but I'd be surprised to hear it's all him.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 10, 2007, 11:46:26 AM
Me too - I hear Mike very clearly in there. ("You my darlin'")


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RONDEMON on October 10, 2007, 12:11:20 PM
I hear Bruce sing the counterpoint. The high "well it's you...." that sounds like Bruce multitracked.
Also, the bkg vocals on "Let Us Go On" and "Solar System" certainly sound "all Brian."
I tried it out with my studio monitor headphones and I can't hear any other voice but his.
I can his hear shrill voice between him trying to hit the low notes and the mids.
Especially heard on the second chorus in "Solar System."



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 10, 2007, 12:14:05 PM
The bvs on "SS" are all the band - according to someone who knows about these things (i.e. not me).

The bvs on "LUGOTW" are also all the band - according to my ears and a session tape. That or Brian cloned himself three or four times.  8)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RONDEMON on October 10, 2007, 12:20:24 PM
Hmm. Now if he cloned himself....would that mean he would get more birthday cake per year?
Listening to Love You in detailed circumstances once again gives me an appreciation for it. I loved it before, but even playing the chords on piano proves it's more complex than it seems.
There are lots of those signature "slash chords" that BW favors. You know, Bm/E

The production is far better than 15 Big Ones' wooden blandery.
Though I wish "That Special Feeling" and "Marilyn Rovell" were on here. Love You seems almost too short...probably because in my playlist I always ditch Mona and Ding Dang.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on October 11, 2007, 01:43:34 AM
You forgot to put Al's co-lead on Good Time.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 11, 2007, 11:07:22 AM
Hmm. Now if he cloned himself....would that mean he would get more birthday cake per year?
Listening to Love You in detailed circumstances once again gives me an appreciation for it. I loved it before, but even playing the chords on piano proves it's more complex than it seems.
There are lots of those signature "slash chords" that BW favors. You know, Bm/E

The production is far better than 15 Big Ones' wooden blandery.
Though I wish "That Special Feeling" and "Marilyn Rovell" were on here. Love You seems almost too short...probably because in my playlist I always ditch Mona and Ding Dang.

Word on this...I remember working out "Solar System" for my band to do and it's quite complex, actually, without sounding it.  The roots are all over the place.  IIRC, it's F#/C# and then...damn, i forgot.  Anyway...

Darian Sahanaja's pre-Wondermints single that did two late period BW songs (one from LOVE YOU) in the '65 production style are revelatory.  You realize how good the underlying songs are.

Alan Boyd and others have indicated that 15BO and some of the other '70s BBs work got unsympathetic mixdown treatment.  Certainly a close listen to, say, the track of "Had To Phone Ya" offers support to this idea.  There's quite an arrangement going on there, but the final mix is reaallllly thin.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on October 11, 2007, 11:18:59 AM
Totally Adam. I would love to hear Brian record Darian's arrangement of Do You Have Any Regrets. That would just totally kick ass.  :smokin


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 11, 2007, 12:21:56 PM
AGD - Yeah, the bass is Mike, but every other bv sounds like a few Bruces to me.

MBE - What does Al sing on "Good Time"?

As to Let Us Go On This Way, I heard a session tape, but it sounds like the final pass of Brian overdubbing himself rather than a live background vocal by a number of dudes to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 11, 2007, 01:43:53 PM
AGD - Yeah, the bass is Mike, but every other bv sounds like a few Bruces to me.

This got me scurrying for the IPod...listening, you could be right.  If I was gonna bet on it, I'd say it's Mike on the bottom harmony (I know we're not talking about the "my daughter" counterpoint...I'm talking about the actual stack).  It's nasal and a little under the pitch.  The rest I can't tell...but it is awfully tight and well blended.  It could be someone multitracking themselves and if so, yeah, Bruce is the likely culprit.  It seems like an odd thing to happen on the LOVE YOU sessions, but who knows.  The thing is, it's so far back in the mix and on one side that it'd be hard to say with certainty without soloing the track.

I have to see Earle Mankey in a couple of weeks for a mastering session and if someone reminds me I'll ask him if he remembers Bruce coming in and doing something like that.

BTW, sounds like the master tape had a little trouble round the capstan when they mastered the CD...I hear a tiny "squiggle" in this part.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on October 12, 2007, 01:16:20 AM
Al sings about half of it. The lower phrased gypsy music part. Lines like "She'll Do The Dirty Boogie". Brian sings the chrous and the first part of to each verse.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on October 12, 2007, 05:21:11 AM
Al sings about half of it. The lower phrased gypsy music part. Lines like "She'll Do The Dirty Boogie". Brian sings the chrous and the first part of to each verse.

I agree it is Al. Though this lead vocal (on the lower keyed part) is curious. To me it sounds like Al doing an extremely good Brian impression. So good in fact, that I sometimes think it is Brian doing an Al impression.

But I would guess it is Al because:

1). It sounds like his tones similar to on "Christmas day" for instance, and when he sings naturally without his normal chosen style.
2). His accent at the end of phrases gives him away e.g. on "today", "lead to" and "smoke".
3). He also says "Hey" at the end of the song.
4). Brian is usually obviously Brian. But when I doubt the singer, it turns out to be Carl or Al.

The difficulty is that parts of it sound very like Brian.

Someone earlier on this thread said that the two verses might be Al and Brian (I can't remember in which order, or who it was who said it). To me the first ("pitter patter") verse is very Al, the second ("dirty boogie") more Brian-like, since it sounds more clear and bell-like.

On "Back home" it sounds like the chorus falsetto is not Brian, but probably Al. Does anyone else agree. This is possibly backed up by the fact that Al is listed first in the background vocals. I would call it a lead vocal myself.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 12, 2007, 06:52:09 AM
I'll have a listen tonight. Funnily enough, I always thought Al was the "Hey!" but nothing else. :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 12, 2007, 08:28:04 AM
The "Hey!" is a "Love You"-era addition and it's Brian. 
Unless I'm wrong.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 12, 2007, 09:55:36 AM
I thought so too - until Someone Who Knows These Things told me that they "hey !" is on the original, 1969, multitrack. Just wasn't mixed up until 1977.  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RONDEMON on October 12, 2007, 10:56:36 AM
The "pitter patter" section on Good Time is most definitely 1976 Brian. There is just a stark contrast due to the very different tone of his voice from 69 to 76. You can hear it in the subtle vibrato on his voice in that section. Same with the "hey" part. Definitely 60's BW.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 12, 2007, 11:54:42 AM
The "pitter patter" section on Good Time is most definitely 1976 Brian. There is just a stark contrast due to the very different tone of his voice from 69 to 76. You can hear it in the subtle vibrato on his voice in that section. Same with the "hey" part. Definitely 60's BW.

If that's true...then who did the "pitter patter" part on the "Landlocked" version?  Is it not the same?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on October 12, 2007, 01:35:09 PM
The "pitter patter" section on Good Time is most definitely 1976 Brian. There is just a stark contrast due to the very different tone of his voice from 69 to 76. You can hear it in the subtle vibrato on his voice in that section. Same with the "hey" part. Definitely 60's BW.

That's an interesting suggestion. Do you mean that Brian re-recorded the "pitter patter" section in 1976 and that the "hey" is Brian in 1969?

To me this seems strange, but I don't know the recording history. Why then does Brian not have any roughness in his voice in the "pitter patter" section. His voice is rough everywhere else on "15 Big Ones" and "Love You" (except, strangely, the falsetto on "In The Still Of The Night").

I admit that whoever it is does sound close in tone to 76 Brian, except for the sweetness/roughness. But listening again, the first verse still sounds like Al (or possibly 69 Brian doing a good Al impression) and the second verse sounds like...69 Brian actually, except for the words "close" and "smoke" which are like Al or where he seems to be doing an Al impression. I still think the "hey" is definitely Al.

The whole thing is curious.

The "pitter patter" section on Good Time is most definitely 1976 Brian. There is just a stark contrast due to the very different tone of his voice from 69 to 76. You can hear it in the subtle vibrato on his voice in that section. Same with the "hey" part. Definitely 60's BW.

If that's true...then who did the "pitter patter" part on the "Landlocked" version?  Is it not the same?

Yes, surely they are the same recording? Does anyone know?

I also notice that Marilyn sings lead (I would say, rather than background) at the end of the chorus of "That Same Song". I am even starting to wonder if Brian couldn't and didn't sing any falsetto on "15 Big Ones", except that "In The Still Of The Night" sounds like Brian's falsetto. Perhaps it suggests that if he really tried he could omit the roughness in his voice?



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 12, 2007, 05:46:40 PM
It's funny how we always come back to Al and Brian and who's who.  I actually had a fight with a guy on wikipedia who said that anybody who was a real fan would know the difference, and then proceded to use a bunch of Al vocals as examples...except some of them were actually Brian.  Doh! 

I'll give "Good Time" a listen in a bit, because now I'm curious.  I always assumed the whole thing was Brian.  In the meantime:

I talked to Earle Mankey earlier today and asked him about Bruce's participation in the Brother sessions and whether he could have multitracked a vocal on "I'll Bet He's Nice."  He had a lot of interesting information, that Bruce was there fairly regularly, sometimes on his own sessions and sometimes with the band to add a harmony.  I asked him if he ever recalled any instance of Bruce multitracking his own vocals and he said no.  He was always singing along with the guys.

On the LOVE YOU sessions in particular he said "Brian was pretty firmly in control" of those sessions and "that was a very loose album" and that Brian's attitude towards who was singing the backups (whether the band did them or not, and who sang on them) was something along the lines of a shrug.  As for unidentified vocalists, he pointed out that "Marilyn or Diane could have been singing" on some of the songs.  He seemed a little dubious that Bruce would have sung on LOVE YOU at all, but seemed pretty certain that if he had it would have been with the other guys.

Earle's memory isn't flawless, but he seemed pretty certain he'd never seen Bruce multitracking himself on anything, and thought that it would have been something Brian would not have bothered with.  Of course, it could have been something overdubbed later at another studio, but I think it's more likely that it's Mike, Bruce and one or two other people singing in close harmony than that it's Bruce overdubbing himself.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 12, 2007, 06:59:12 PM
I'll throw in a few things to ponder:

(a) Bruce once said he was on all the albums they made after he officially left, except MIU (and In Concert, of course, although who knows for sure about that, since he did join them onstage a couple of times in '73)

(b) There's a great picutre of Brian, Dennis, and Bruce standing around a single microphone at Brother Studio.  I've seen this in a couple of places, first in Issue 4 of "Pet Sounds" (November '78).  The caption says it was taken at Brother in December 1977, but I've always figured that was a misprint, and that it was really December 1976 (in which case it could be "I'll Bet He's Nice" they're working on in the picture).  But who knows...maybe '77 is right, and whatever they were recording there was an outtake.  I don't know if it's an Ed Roach shot, 'cause the credit just says "photo couresty of The Beach Boys".

(c) In Issue 1 of "Pet Sounds" (February '77), there's an interview with Dean Torrence, in which he says, in addition to being considered as a touring replacement for Mike Love when he goes to Switzerland, that he's been singing on the new Beach Boys and Dennis Wilson albums:  "I come down (to Brother Studio) to show them silides (of his graphic artwork) and next thing I know, I'm singing...and the girls that answer the phone get called too.  If you need some parts, just buzz to the girls in the front and say, 'hey, come on up here.'  And they just trip back and they do a couple of vocal parts and then they go back to answering the phones."  I would think the reference to the girls singing is related to Pacific Ocean Blue, which has lots of femme vocals in the backgrounds.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 12, 2007, 07:12:54 PM
Yeah, I tend to agree that Bruce is on that track at the very least, but I doubt it's more than him.  I also doubt, given the tightness and smoothness of the vocal, that the other voices are Brian and Dennis.  I am kinda curious, though, who else is on that part.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 12, 2007, 07:13:34 PM
(d) Alan (Boyd) once posted this here:

"...I CAN tell you the backing vox on HONKIN' DOWN THE HIGHWAY are Brian, Dennis and Billy....

And the backing vocals on LET'S PUT OUR HEARTS TOGETHER are : D - M - A - B. Dennis, Marilyn, Alan & Brian, perhaps?"

Sorry if this has been mentioned again on this thread, but with 500+ entries, I've skipped a few!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on October 13, 2007, 02:47:52 AM
On the tag of "I'll Bet He's Nice", I hear Mike doing the "you my darlin'" part, but I also hear an insteresting thing...

I hear Bruce as well in the "Well it's youuuuu", but I hear Mike in the "youuuuuu". Could be wrong, but to me it sounds awfully like Mike's voice.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 13, 2007, 07:17:33 AM
I'm not hearing Al on Good Time. It all sounds like Brian to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 13, 2007, 07:21:19 AM
I think as regards to IBHN, that I've been subtly subconsciously influenced by that great tape of Bruce multitracking the Radio Veronica jingle, and perhaps his work on "Rainbows", which I think is all him too. He always strikes me as an ultra-professional who can do that stuff quickly. I'll delete the reference to multitracking anyway, though that needn't end this mini-discussion. I do wanna point out though that I never said he was ALL the voices on there...;)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 13, 2007, 07:23:19 AM
Should I include Signum's proposal that Marilyn is lead on the end of That Same Song?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 13, 2007, 07:49:18 AM
I think as regards to IBHN, that I've been subtly subconsciously influenced by that great tape of Bruce multitracking the Radio Veronica jingle, and perhaps his work on "Rainbows", which I think is all him too. He always strikes me as an ultra-professional who can do that stuff quickly. I'll delete the reference to multitracking anyway, though that needn't end this mini-discussion. I do wanna point out though that I never said he was ALL the voices on there...;)

You mean Bruce did all the backgrounds on "Rainbows" from Pacific Ocean Blue?  Or is it a different song with that title that you're referring to?

Also, I can't remember if you mentioned this, but I think Marilyn is singing on "I'll Bet He's Nice", in the verses:  "Baby ooo-oooh". 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 13, 2007, 08:54:10 AM
Yeah, the POB track. Sounds like him.

Also, Full Sail sounds like another all-Bruce mutlitrack fest, I forgot that one.

Interesting about "I'll Bet He's Nice", I always assumed it was Brian (or maybe Carl).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 13, 2007, 09:09:26 AM
Alan Boyd told me he "thought" Rainbows bv's were mostly Carl and Dennis. Bruce is on End of the Show.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 13, 2007, 11:52:18 AM
On the tag of "I'll Bet He's Nice", I hear Mike doing the "you my darlin'" part, but I also hear an insteresting thing...

I hear Bruce as well in the "Well it's youuuuu", but I hear Mike in the "youuuuuu". Could be wrong, but to me it sounds awfully like Mike's voice.

Right...I guess I wasn't very clear.  That's what I was saying, too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 13, 2007, 11:53:57 AM
Yeah, the POB track. Sounds like him.

Also, Full Sail sounds like another all-Bruce mutlitrack fest, I forgot that one.

Interesting about "I'll Bet He's Nice", I always assumed it was Brian (or maybe Carl).

I'd have to go listen again, but from what I've heard of L.A., a lot of that stuff is Bruce-Carl and/or Bruce-Carl-Dennis.  I don't think it's all Bruce.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 13, 2007, 12:05:14 PM
Yeah, the POB track. Sounds like him.

Also, Full Sail sounds like another all-Bruce mutlitrack fest, I forgot that one.

Interesting about "I'll Bet He's Nice", I always assumed it was Brian (or maybe Carl).

I'd have to go listen again, but from what I've heard of L.A., a lot of that stuff is Bruce-Carl and/or Bruce-Carl-Dennis.  I don't think it's all Bruce.

Bobby Figueroa has gone on record as saying he did a lot of vocal work on the Light Album, with Bruce and Carl.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on October 14, 2007, 11:17:13 PM
Well as far as "Good Time" nothing was added to the lead or backup in 1976. I have a 1971 radio brodcast that proves that. Listened again close and I was wrong. That is Brian just singing lower on those verses. Sorry about that. Man he could really sing back then.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: matt-zeus on October 15, 2007, 01:33:35 AM
Yeah, I don't hear Al on Good time at all. If you listen to other Brian leads around this time (most notably the demo for Awake which is sung low at first then high later on) you can clearly hear Brians 'low' voice on there and that is easily the voice which sings Good time.
Also if you listen to Brians speaking voice in interviews from the 60s and early 70s you can hear clearly how his voice would sound if he was singing softly. Als speaking voice is a bit more 'strident'.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 17, 2007, 07:55:47 AM
Righty-o, what about Signum's proposal of Marilyn on That Same Song?

And then we can push on with the M.I.U. Album! Yippee!;)



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 17, 2007, 06:51:21 PM
 Bruce told me it was Carl. I thought it was Brian, myself.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on October 18, 2007, 12:29:59 AM
Bruce told me it was Carl. I thought it was Brian, myself.

What song are you speaking about?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 18, 2007, 06:59:49 AM
Are you referring to "I'll Bet He's Nice?"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 18, 2007, 10:47:09 AM
How about a prominent backup for Mike on the post-sax solo "you never give me a chance..." on "Come Go With Me?"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 18, 2007, 12:24:48 PM
That's Brian singing the Hawaii falsetto lines? It sounds so weird and creepy. sh*t, so much changes in 15 years.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on October 18, 2007, 12:44:47 PM
I believe it is Alan on The Bells of Christmas, Mike is only on Belles of Paris.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on October 18, 2007, 12:53:01 PM
I believe it is Alan on The Bells of Christmas, Mike is only on Belles of Paris.

Just gave them both a listen and I gotta agree. Good catch.  :afro


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on October 18, 2007, 01:05:48 PM
At the end of "Winds Of Change", is there any way you could "up grade" Brian from prominent back-up to a lead vocal because of his singing, "won't last forever".

I've always found that part 1) unbelievably clear-throated based on Brian's other recent vocals, and 2) very emotionally sung, poignant actually. Just a thought...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 18, 2007, 08:03:52 PM
Bruce told me it was Carl. I thought it was Brian, myself.


What song are you speaking about?
Whoops...I meant "I'll Bet He's Nice", the "baby-ooo" part.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 19, 2007, 07:46:34 AM
How about a prominent backup for Mike on the post-sax solo "you never give me a chance..." on "Come Go With Me?"

That's actually Al, I think.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 19, 2007, 07:47:50 AM
I believe it is Alan on The Bells of Christmas, Mike is only on Belles of Paris.

Al sings Bells of Christmas? Shows how much I listen to that! I'll take a listen tonight.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 19, 2007, 07:50:51 AM
At the end of "Winds Of Change", is there any way you could "up grade" Brian from prominent back-up to a lead vocal because of his singing, "won't last forever".

I've always found that part 1) unbelievably clear-throated based on Brian's other recent vocals, and 2) very emotionally sung, poignant actually. Just a thought...

Ah, I dunno. That's standard BW schtick. If he was unaccompanied, perhaps. I only included it in prominent back-ups because he hadn't sung falsetto for a very long time, otherwise, we miss out Mike bass parts and Brian high parts because they're part and parcel of what the BBs do.

If there's a massive call for it, though...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on October 19, 2007, 10:39:04 AM
John, I know what you mean with Bells. I had to relisten to it myself, just to doublecheck but it is Al and the liner notes also list Al as lead vocal. 
As for Come Go With Me, I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Al did all of the parts for Come Go with Me himself. Mike sang that part live though


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on October 19, 2007, 06:46:48 PM
I know Mike lip syncheed the Come And Go With Me line on TV back in 1981


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 20, 2007, 04:39:13 AM
"Bells Of Christmas" lead vocal is Mike ? I don't think so, at least on the Ultimate Christmas track. Unless Alan can also sound like Mike imitating Alan.

Speaking of which, mention must be made that the version of "Melekalikimaka" isn't the same as the version that was circualting since the early 80s. Alan re-recorded some of his lead vocal.

[edit] - maybe next time I'll read all the subsequent threads. Duh !


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 20, 2007, 09:18:34 AM
I listened last night, and blow me down, it is Al!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on October 20, 2007, 10:34:54 AM
"Bells Of Christmas" lead vocal is Mike ? I don't think so, at least on the Ultimate Christmas track. Unless Alan can also sound like Mike imitating Alan.

Al is the Rich Little of the Beach Boys.  :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 22, 2007, 12:46:01 PM
John, I know what you mean with Bells. I had to relisten to it myself, just to doublecheck but it is Al and the liner notes also list Al as lead vocal. 
As for Come Go With Me, I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Al did all of the parts for Come Go with Me himself. Mike sang that part live though

I'm aware that Al supposedly did all the vocals on CGWM but that notwithstanding I'm pretty sure that the second "you never give me a chance" at 1:32 is Mike, not Al.  (The first one, though, does sound like a double-tracked Al).  What's interesting is that there's a second vocal mixed in the background there that peters out, a rough double.  On the earlier mix of the song that appeared on the original MIU CD release, it's louder in the mix.  I suspect the second vocal might be Al, although it's hard to tell.

It's worth remembering that it's not even clear that the version of the song that Al DIY'd in '76 is the same recording that was ultimately released.  AGD probably has a better feel on this.  Everything else does sound like all Al, although if you told me Carl or Brian were on some of the background vocals (there are a couple of layers there, and extra vocals on the earlier mix), I could accept that too.  There's no question that the track was reworked, and it's easy to imagine Mike wanting to get a line on there just to make it more of a group recording.  That one line is something in the nature of an adlib and if you were going to add one of the other band members, that's the easiest place to do it.

I know it flies in the face of accepted wisdom, but I'm gonna stick with Mike for the one line on the song, Al with the rest.  I just can't buy that that line is Al.  Wrong timbre, wrong attitude.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 22, 2007, 03:11:04 PM
According to ACJ hisself, the night they had a mobile up at Brian's place for recording in 1976, no-one else showed up, so he recorded what he wanted to and did it all himself. Seem to recall reading somewhere that the only element that survived to the MIU version was the drums. Boyd could give you the true gen on this.

And yes, that is Mike doing the bass "you never give me a chaaaaaaaaaaance", to these ears at any rate.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 22, 2007, 06:44:58 PM
I heard the same thing, but I thought the drums were what was replaced?  The source was ACJ in Byron Preiss' book, I think.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 22, 2007, 06:48:39 PM
Adam, I know exactly what you mean...the one bass vocal line sounds like Al, the other like Mike, and that's puzzled me for years.

In the Preiss book, Al said "drums were a little weird...I had to add a second set of drums".  He also said he "added the Beach Boys", so I think you're right on about another layer, probably with Brian & Carl, then Mike on that one line.  Some of these parts are better heard on the alternate mix.  I'd love to hear the mix that was considered for "15 Big Ones" and/or "New Album".  Would be interesting to know if the drums are Dennis or someone else...Kowalski is credited for most of "MIU", but it sounds like the final drums may have been added back in the "15 Big Ones" days, which would make it likely to be Dennis.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 22, 2007, 06:55:05 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Al did the bass vocals originally, then had Mike do them, but in the final mix Al preferred himself on the one line, and Mike on the other.   Probably an intonation thing. 

Desper said a similar thing happened on "Forever":  the "together my love" line is a composite, some syllables from Dennis and some from Mike.  Talk about picky.  BTW, other than Mike doing that line, it sounds like the vocals on "Forever" are 100% Wilson Brothers...according to Carl in 1982.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 22, 2007, 07:19:20 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Al did the bass vocals originally, then had Mike do them, but in the final mix Al preferred himself on the one line, and Mike on the other.   Probably an intonation thing. 

Desper said a similar thing happened on "Forever":  the "together my love" line is a composite, some syllables from Dennis and some from Mike.  Talk about picky.  BTW, other than Mike doing that line, it sounds like the vocals on "Forever" are 100% Wilson Brothers...according to Carl in 1982.

If you listen to the vocals only mix of Forever you can hear Mike adding the line "Baby" throughout...as in "Together my love...Baby". Kind of gets lost in the released version.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on October 22, 2007, 08:27:31 PM
Sorry to "butt in" here, but isn't it Brian doing the verses on "She's Got Rhythm"?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 23, 2007, 04:54:45 AM
Sorry to "butt in" here, but isn't it Brian doing the verses on "She's Got Rhythm"?

Yep...his first full falsetto lead since what, '65?  '66? 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 23, 2007, 08:31:49 AM
Wait, what?

The non-falsetto bit is Brian? Because I've got the falsetto refrains (I couldn't call it a chorus because there's only one guy singing) as Brian of course, "Last night I went out disco dancing..." and the verses as Mike, because it sounded like Mike - the bits that go, "She came to my table" etc.

As to that bass vocal being mike, I'll have to listen. It's to my shame (or maybe not) that as you might have guessed, I don't listen to MI.U. that much.;)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 23, 2007, 09:42:06 AM
Nope, the non-squeaky bits are Mike.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on October 23, 2007, 12:44:49 PM
Yes, "She's Got Rhythm"'s verses are definitely Mike.

The bass vocal on "CGWM" is definitely Mike on the second time round. Regarding the first time; I'm not sure. It sounds like Al possibly, although the last note could be Mike. The whole line could be Mike and Al together.

"Forever" definitely has Mike humming the bass line all the way through. He also sings "baby" at the end of some lines. The "together my love" 's are certainly a mixture. Dennis sings the first, second and fifth it seems, and Mike sings the third. The fourth seems to have the fist note by Mike and then Dennis replaces him on the rest of the line.

Incidentally I notice that in "Forever" Dennis and Carl sing the "Do do do" section in unison starting at 0:53.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 23, 2007, 05:58:13 PM
Yes, "She's Got Rhythm"'s verses are definitely Mike.

The bass vocal on "CGWM" is definitely Mike on the second time round. Regarding the first time; I'm not sure. It sounds like Al possibly, although the last note could be Mike. The whole line could be Mike and Al together.

"Forever" definitely has Mike humming the bass line all the way through. He also sings "baby" at the end of some lines. The "together my love" 's are certainly a mixture. Dennis sings the first, second and fifth it seems, and Mike sings the third. The fourth seems to have the fist note by Mike and then Dennis replaces him on the rest of the line.

Incidentally I notice that in "Forever" Dennis and Carl sing the "Do do do" section in unison starting at 0:53.



Actually, I would say that on "She's Got Rhythm", Brian sings the first half of the verses (as well as the refrain) while Mike sings the second half of the verses.  Or you could call the part that Mike sings the "bridge", but it's a bridge that appears more than once....which does happen in some songs.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on October 24, 2007, 02:32:29 AM
Sorry to "butt in" here, but isn't it Brian doing the verses on "She's Got Rhythm"?

Yep...his first full falsetto lead since what, '65?  '66? 

Cool Cool Water had half of his lead recorded in 1970. THat is a duet, so I guess I Went To Sleep from 1968 would be the last full lead. Don't You Just Know It was from 1970 but was a duet with Jam Berry and released as a solo single by him. Awake and Won't You Tell Him from 1971 has a falsetto lead but as they weren't released I guess that doesn't count.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 24, 2007, 09:55:34 AM
After listening to CGWM, I agree that it's Mike the second time. Good catch, and I'll add that now.

I think the She's Got Rhythm question is a matter of what we should term the Mike bits and the Brian bits. I'll change it to "A section" and "B section" until someone has a better idea.

Also, going back to 15BO, how to we stand on the end of That Same Song? Does Marilyn deserve a credit or not?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 24, 2007, 10:42:42 AM
Sorry to "butt in" here, but isn't it Brian doing the verses on "She's Got Rhythm"?

Yep...his first full falsetto lead since what, '65?  '66? 

Cool Cool Water had half of his lead recorded in 1970. THat is a duet, so I guess I Went To Sleep from 1968 would be the last full lead. Don't You Just Know It was from 1970 but was a duet with Jam Berry and released as a solo single by him. Awake and Won't You Tell Him from 1971 has a falsetto lead but as they weren't released I guess that doesn't count.

"I Went To Sleep" is a duet...with Carl...sung in harmony, but I would classify both parts as the lead.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on October 24, 2007, 11:45:53 AM
Sorry to "butt in" here, but isn't it Brian doing the verses on "She's Got Rhythm"?

Yep...his first full falsetto lead since what, '65?  '66? 

Cool Cool Water had half of his lead recorded in 1970. THat is a duet, so I guess I Went To Sleep from 1968 would be the last full lead. Don't You Just Know It was from 1970 but was a duet with Jam Berry and released as a solo single by him. Awake and Won't You Tell Him from 1971 has a falsetto lead but as they weren't released I guess that doesn't count.

"I Went To Sleep" is a duet...with Carl...sung in harmony, but I would classify both parts as the lead.

"I Went To Sleep" a duet? Brian sings the words and Carl hums underneath. The rest of the song is a four part harmony (Mike, Carl, Al and Brian from lowest to highest). Therefore personally I would call it a Brian lead only.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on October 24, 2007, 12:00:39 PM
Yes, "She's Got Rhythm"'s verses are definitely Mike.

The bass vocal on "CGWM" is definitely Mike on the second time round. Regarding the first time; I'm not sure. It sounds like Al possibly, although the last note could be Mike. The whole line could be Mike and Al together.

"Forever" definitely has Mike humming the bass line all the way through. He also sings "baby" at the end of some lines. The "together my love" 's are certainly a mixture. Dennis sings the first, second and fifth it seems, and Mike sings the third. The fourth seems to have the fist note by Mike and then Dennis replaces him on the rest of the line.

Incidentally I notice that in "Forever" Dennis and Carl sing the "Do do do" section in unison starting at 0:53.



Actually, I would say that on "She's Got Rhythm", Brian sings the first half of the verses (as well as the refrain) while Mike sings the second half of the verses.  Or you could call the part that Mike sings the "bridge", but it's a bridge that appears more than once....which does happen in some songs.

You're right of course. Sorry, I hadn't cottoned on to the problem of naming the different sections appropriately until I read John's post.

After listening to CGWM, I agree that it's Mike the second time. Good catch, and I'll add that now.

I think the She's Got Rhythm question is a matter of what we should term the Mike bits and the Brian bits. I'll change it to "A section" and "B section" until someone has a better idea.

Also, going back to 15BO, how to we stand on the end of That Same Song? Does Marilyn deserve a credit or not?

Well, personally, I still think Marilyn deserves a credit. It is a prominent part. I suppose it could be thought of as one of several harmonies in the background vocals (as the sleeve notes indicate), but to me it is more like a lead part.

And "Back home". That still sounds like Al on the refrain to me: Brian carries on singing over it at the end of the song and the falsetto doesn't sound like Brian.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 24, 2007, 12:58:11 PM
Sorry to "butt in" here, but isn't it Brian doing the verses on "She's Got Rhythm"?

Yep...his first full falsetto lead since what, '65?  '66? 

Don't You Just Know It was from 1970 but was a duet with Jam Berry and released as a solo single by him.

Was that for sure from 1970?  Given the quality of Brian's (on the rough mixes, worse than I'd expect in '70) and Jan's (better than I'd expect in '70) voices, and that the single came out in '73, I would have expected it to be later. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 24, 2007, 08:17:52 PM
Yes, "She's Got Rhythm"'s verses are definitely Mike.

The bass vocal on "CGWM" is definitely Mike on the second time round. Regarding the first time; I'm not sure. It sounds like Al possibly, although the last note could be Mike. The whole line could be Mike and Al together.

"Forever" definitely has Mike humming the bass line all the way through. He also sings "baby" at the end of some lines. The "together my love" 's are certainly a mixture. Dennis sings the first, second and fifth it seems, and Mike sings the third. The fourth seems to have the fist note by Mike and then Dennis replaces him on the rest of the line.

Incidentally I notice that in "Forever" Dennis and Carl sing the "Do do do" section in unison starting at 0:53.



Actually, I would say that on "She's Got Rhythm", Brian sings the first half of the verses (as well as the refrain) while Mike sings the second half of the verses.  Or you could call the part that Mike sings the "bridge", but it's a bridge that appears more than once....which does happen in some songs.

You're right of course. Sorry, I hadn't cottoned on to the problem of naming the different sections appropriately until I read John's post.

After listening to CGWM, I agree that it's Mike the second time. Good catch, and I'll add that now.

I think the She's Got Rhythm question is a matter of what we should term the Mike bits and the Brian bits. I'll change it to "A section" and "B section" until someone has a better idea.

Also, going back to 15BO, how to we stand on the end of That Same Song? Does Marilyn deserve a credit or not?

Well, personally, I still think Marilyn deserves a credit. It is a prominent part. I suppose it could be thought of as one of several harmonies in the background vocals (as the sleeve notes indicate), but to me it is more like a lead part.

And "Back home". That still sounds like Al on the refrain to me: Brian carries on singing over it at the end of the song and the falsetto doesn't sound like Brian.



I think what it comes down to is this:  Beach Boys songs have a LOT of vocal parts, most of which dance & weave around in the background, and sometimes an individual voice will jump out on a line here & there.   "Til I Die' is the perfect example:  Carl & Alan definitely have prominent parts, but I personally wouldn't credit them as leads.  I might classify this one as "group vocals" for most of the song, with "solo vocal" parts by Brian.  Maybe this was already covered much earlier, but on "California Girls" I would simply classify Mike as the lead vocalist, Brian as "falsetto" among the backgrounds (yes I know he sings the melody in the choruses, but still there's so many voices going on there that I consider his merely one part of a vocal ensemble...just the brightest color in a whole pattern), and Bruce as "chorus response vocal".   It just depends on how you want to label things, and how picky you want to get.  Some of us are in danger of losing our minds over this!  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on October 24, 2007, 08:46:52 PM
I have a question about the song "My Diane". i've been patiently waiting for the MIU album to be discussed.  ;) Who does the prominent "falsetto" part that goes "I love you Diane, I miss you Diane"? I don't think it's Brian. It sounds like Al to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 24, 2007, 08:59:32 PM
I have a question about the song "My Diane". i've been patiently waiting for the MIU album to be discussed.  ;) Who does the prominent "falsetto" part that goes "I love you Diane, I miss you Diane"? I don't think it's Brian. It sounds like Al to me.

To me it sounds like Brian. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 25, 2007, 06:50:05 AM
Yeah, Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 25, 2007, 07:21:04 AM
Also, I've added Marilyn for That Same Song. It's a "with" at the moment, but I may change it to a footnote when I have a bit more time - and have actually dug out my copy, which I put somewhere when I was doing the album listing and I'm not sure where... ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 27, 2007, 08:50:58 AM
On to L.A. Light... in a coupla days..:D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 27, 2007, 10:45:19 AM
On to L.A. Light... in a coupla days..:D

Ooh!  Ooh!  I got that one.

Carl, Dennis and Bruce -- the whole album!

KTSA anyone?  ;)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 27, 2007, 01:46:26 PM
On to L.A. Light... in a coupla days..:D

Ooh!  Ooh!  I got that one.

Carl, Dennis and Bruce -- the whole album!

KTSA anyone?  ;)

[koff] "Lady Lynda"  ::)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 27, 2007, 05:16:07 PM
Details...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 28, 2007, 09:39:37 AM
A coupla days turned out to be one. :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on October 28, 2007, 10:21:27 AM
Should Mike get a special mention for the tag on Lady Lynda? Not sure if its a lead but its an important harmony part.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 28, 2007, 10:26:32 AM
Alan sings the chorus on "HCTN" ??? Errr... don't think so.

But I do think Mike should get a credit for his bass and intro vocal on that. He's very prominent on the intro to "Good Timin'" too... and the tag of "Lynda".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Smilin Ed H on October 28, 2007, 10:57:02 AM
Whjat about the versions of California Feelin', Lookin' Down the Coast and Santa Ana Winds that were consdered for this album


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 28, 2007, 11:00:48 AM
All as yet unreleased in those versions.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: matt-zeus on October 28, 2007, 04:26:42 PM
Whjat about the versions of California Feelin', Lookin' Down the Coast and Santa Ana Winds that were consdered for this album

IMO, LA would have benefitted from all those three but are they actually LA outtakes though? They don't have that production sheen that is on it, I thought it was just random stuff recorded around that time - MIU/New Album/California feeling etc.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: thomasogg on October 28, 2007, 09:39:59 PM
I heard the isolated "I Love You' and it is Brian.

Why not just read the sleeve notes? It was Carl.

(Know we not meant to bring up old threads but hey ho...)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: thomasogg on October 28, 2007, 09:57:34 PM
Back to the present, I absolutely adore that version of 'Santa Ana Winds', so much better than the produced-to-death version on KTSA. LA is yet another of those BB albums that could've been so much better, with the material they had availiable at the time, such as the aforementioned 'Santa..' and the tracks Dennis had to hand for his 2nd album.
How's THIS for an album:

1. Good Timin'
2. It's Not Too Late
3. Santa Ana Winds
4. Angel Come Home
5. Full Sail
6. Lady Lynda
7. Love Surrounds Me (less produced version, more akin to the original Bamboo cut)

8. Lookin' Down The Coast
9. Sumahara
10. Baby Blue
11. California Feelin'
12. Goin' South
13. (I Found Myself In A) Wild Situation
14. Shortenin' Bread

(& Bruce can stick his karaoke disco pap up his grinning arse...)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 29, 2007, 12:56:49 AM
The original "SAW" - in fact, ALL those three tracks - were on the tape the band played to Walter Yentikoff.

The one that made him say "Gentleman, I think I've just been f***ed".

It's always amused and slightly puzzled me that when an unreleased version of any given track pops up, a lot of people will say they prefer it. i guess it's the lure of the new. The 1978 version of "SAW" is, to these ears, leaden and has a seriously under-developed lyric, viz:

"Had good times
Were sublime
I didn't think it ever would last.
But in your eyes
I surmise
That our love was fading fast (so fast)

Maybe we'll make up
And repair this breakup
And we'll be together, together again".

Thud.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 29, 2007, 07:44:20 AM
Also it should be noted that the so-called "Bamboo" version of "Love Surrounds Me" (called that b/c it is on the various "Bamboo" bootlegs, and probably derives from the same reel as the other circulating "Bamboo" rough mixes), is merely a rough mix of the song AFTER it was already ear-marked for The Beach Boys, and just a couple of stages from the finished product.

How do I know?  Well for one thing, I vividly recall reading in Rolling Stone that The Beach Boys would be including two songs originally intended for Dennis Wilson's second solo album on their upcoming new album.  Then I remember "MIU" appearing in stores a short time later, and I looked but no, there were not two new Dennis songs.  A few months later of course, "L.A," appeared with those two new Dennis tunes.  "MIU" was released in late September '78.  Dennis was working on "Love Surrounds Me" during the Boys' stay at Criteria Studios in Miami, which was late August through early or mid September '78.  Since I bought "MIU" immediately on release, I'd have to say that Rolling Stone article appeared somewhere in between, but definitely in September, and would have referred to plans for the two new Dennis songs to be included on the NEXT album (meaning "L.A.").

Secondly, the "Bamboo" version of "LSM" contains Christine McVie's etheral background vocals, and according to most sources, Dennis and Christine didn't even meet until November '78, two months after that article in Rolling Stone likely appeared.   

Finally, Geoffrey Cushing-Murry recounts how he came to write lyrics for that song in Billy Hinsche's new DW documentary.  He says that Carl wanted Dennis to be more involved in the "L.A." album (in ESQ he also said that's why Carl had Dennis sing lead on "Angel Come Home"), so he and Jimmy G. suggested that Geoffrey write lyrics for this tune.  Guercio gave Geoffrey a cassette tape of the song, which he described as "backgroundy" music, with only an implied melody and no lyrics.  Therefore we have to say the vocals were not added to the song until AFTER it became a "Beach Boys" track.  Geoffrey describes being there when Dennis recorded his lead vocal, and also during a percussion overdub session produced by Dennis (which means the final "sweetening" added to the song prior to its release was apparently at Dennis' behest, rather than something Bruce, Carl, or Jimmy G. did behind his back).

On a related note...I found Cushing-Murry's comment about Carl wanting to get Dennis involved in the new Beach Boys album to be interesting...we've always assumed the Boys twisted Dennis' arm to get him to hand over his two new tracks, but this makes it sound like Carl and the others were doing him a favor.  The only other quote I remember seeing from the Beach Boys camp on the subject was in Bruce's interview for the "Pet Sounds" newspaper, published in November 1978.  Bruce said he "convinced" Dennis to include "Baby Blue" on the album, and that he thought it had "incredible chord changes".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on October 29, 2007, 07:59:10 AM
I've just been listening to "Here Comes The Night" from the "LA" album and indeed Alan does sing the title line (bass vocal, chorus or whatever it is).

Also I think it is Alan (but I am not absolutely sure) who does the same thing on the original "HCTN". In case I'm being very unclear, I mean that he sings the brief title phrase going into the chorus on the original (although Carl sings the corresponding phrase i.e. in the same place, on the disco version).



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 29, 2007, 08:03:21 AM
AGD,  I didn't say he sang the chorus.

I didn't know what to term it - it's the backing vocals on the 1967 version, but here it appears unaccompanied several times, once even before Carl even starts the verses; the bit that goes:

"Here Comes The Night, oh-oh" from then on.

 And I agree that it sounds like him on the bass vocal.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on October 29, 2007, 09:09:05 AM
Exactly what I thought too.

Alan sings the "Here Comes The Night, oh-oh" part which is near the beginning of the "LA" version, before the verses, and then he sings the same part each time it comes back, whether with harmony vocals on top or unaccompanied.

On the "Wild Honey" version, Alan sings just the "Here Comes The Night" which leads into the chorus backing vocals and Brian's chorus lead. On the "LA" version, Carl includes this line in his lead vocal.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on October 29, 2007, 09:20:26 AM
I know it's a bit off topic, but I find it interesting: I was concerned because I wrote earlier that the four part harmony on "I Went to Sleep" was Mike, Carl, Alan, Brian from lowest to highest, whereas I'm sure the order is actually Mike, Alan, Carl, Brian. Sorry, for the mistake.

Alan and Carl would swap around their place in the harmony.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 29, 2007, 11:37:36 AM
The original "SAW" - in fact, ALL those three tracks - were on the tape the band played to Walter Yentikoff.

The one that made him say "Gentleman, I think I've just been fodaed".

It's always amused and slightly puzzled me that when an unreleased version of any given track pops up, a lot of people will say they prefer it. i guess it's the lure of the new. The 1978 version of "SAW" is, to these ears, leaden and has a seriously under-developed lyric, viz:

"Had good times
Were sublime
I didn't think it ever would last.
But in your eyes
I surmise
That our love was fading fast (so fast)

Maybe we'll make up
And repair this breakup
And we'll be together, together again".

Thud.

What Andrew said (ditto the nix nix on Al J. on HCTN).

I think the KTSA version is superior to the demo version in many ways, but I agree that the KTSA production had one too many layers of shite.  The most offensive thing on that is, to me, Al's triple-tracked lead vocal in the first verse (and Mike's double-tracked lead ins to the chorus "puriteeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....").  They're both almost unlistenable.  The track is lovely, though.  The tag with the harmonica and the string section...wow.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Smilin Ed H on October 29, 2007, 12:43:36 PM
The lyrics on the KTSA version of Santa Ana Winds are better, but the production is sweetened beyond belief.  Between the two, there's a good song lurking.

I'd go for the Mike solo Sumahama.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on October 29, 2007, 03:25:10 PM
Exactly what I thought too.

Alan sings the "Here Comes The Night, oh-oh" part which is near the beginning of the "LA" version, before the verses, and then he sings the same part each time it comes back, whether with harmony vocals on top or unaccompanied.

OK, I get what you're saying now.  I'd buy that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: thomasogg on October 29, 2007, 03:49:32 PM
Re: people prefering unreleased songs just coz it's something new: Bollocks in my case I'm afraid as I had my 'SAW' bootleg tape long before I ever went out and wasted my money on KTSA. I just genuinely think the chorus sounds so much better and fuller on the rawer, less-produced original. Also, on an alternate thread only yesterday I disagreed with a bunch of people when they claimed 'Hang On To Your Ego' was superior to 'I Know There's An Answer', so you know, I just tend to decide on my preference depending on which I consider better, end of.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 29, 2007, 03:54:00 PM
No, I meant credit Mike for the bass vocal on "HCTN" -  the "do-do-do-do" and also during the chorus. The intro voice is so heavily processed I defy anyone to identify it. I don't hear ACJ doing any leads on that song.

BTW, the first layer of bvs were laid down by Curt Becher & California - Joe Chemay et al.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 29, 2007, 06:27:58 PM
No, I meant credit Mike for the bass vocal on "HCTN" -  the "do-do-do-do" and also during the chorus. The intro voice is so heavily processed I defy anyone to identify it. I don't hear ACJ doing any leads on that song.

BTW, the first layer of bvs were laid down by Curt Becher & California - Joe Chemay et al.

My guess is that intro voice is Curt or one of California, through a vocoder.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: thomasogg on October 29, 2007, 07:06:14 PM
No, I meant credit Mike for the bass vocal on "HCTN" -  the "do-do-do-do" and also during the chorus. The intro voice is so heavily processed I defy anyone to identify it. I don't hear ACJ doing any leads on that song.

BTW, the first layer of bvs were laid down by Curt Becher & California - Joe Chemay et al.

My guess is that intro voice is Curt or one of California, through a vocoder.


'Through a vocoder' - a phrase that pretty much sums up why I don't like KTSA.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 29, 2007, 09:56:54 PM
KTSA ?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: thomasogg on October 29, 2007, 10:48:49 PM
Katie Tunstall Sucks Ass.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on October 30, 2007, 02:59:19 AM
Sorry to "butt in" here, but isn't it Brian doing the verses on "She's Got Rhythm"?

Yep...his first full falsetto lead since what, '65?  '66? 

Don't You Just Know It was from 1970 but was a duet with Jam Berry and released as a solo single by him.

Was that for sure from 1970?  Given the quality of Brian's (on the rough mixes, worse than I'd expect in '70) and Jan's (better than I'd expect in '70) voices, and that the single came out in '73, I would have expected it to be later. 

I guess we don't know for sure as far as session dates but he sounds fine on it to me. He just singing in a different style, compare it to Walkin from around the same time. Just a more rockin type lead. Jan's lines are brief and he had cut Mother Earth by about 1970 which is just as good or even better.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on October 30, 2007, 03:02:35 AM
I heard the isolated "I Love You' and it is Brian.

Why not just read the sleeve notes? It was Carl.

(Know we not meant to bring up old threads but hey ho...)

That's why we are doing this thread because sleeve notes can be wrong. I am convinced on this one.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 30, 2007, 07:20:11 AM
I heard the isolated "I Love You' and it is Brian.

Why not just read the sleeve notes? It was Carl.

(Know we not meant to bring up old threads but hey ho...)

That's why we are doing this thread because sleeve notes can be wrong. I am convinced on this one.

Yeah...sleeve notes...really trustworthy...NOT. Leaf's were a mess, errors abound...and don't forget Peter Buck telling us Brian sang Mona...sheesh.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Steve Mayo on October 30, 2007, 07:51:27 AM


Yeah...sleeve notes...really trustworthy...NOT. Leaf's were a mess, errors abound...and don't forget Peter Buck telling us Brian sang Mona...sheesh.
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may not be worth much, but back in 1977 i read an interview of earle mankey about love you. in that interview he said that both brian and dennis sang mona and the vocal was a blend of those 2 voices. somewhere in my house i have that interview. may not be right but that is what earle said in that interview.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 30, 2007, 08:40:10 AM
No, I meant credit Mike for the bass vocal on "HCTN" -  the "do-do-do-do" and also during the chorus. The intro voice is so heavily processed I defy anyone to identify it. I don't hear ACJ doing any leads on that song.

Really? Because that chorus vocal sounds just like Al to me, and the bass vocal starts out sounding like Mike (but that may be because we expect it) but then resolves itself into being Al to my ears. That bass vocal (in the big bass vocal section) sounds kinda processed and even pitch-shifted too.

If that "Here comes the night, oh-oh, here come here come,  here now here come the night" isn't Al? Man, that's weird. I'll (sob) have to steel myself for another listen to it.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 30, 2007, 08:41:44 AM
may not be worth much, but back in 1977 i read an interview of earl manke about love you. in that interview he said that both brian and dennis sang mona and the vocal was a blend of those 2 voices. somewhere in my house i have that interview. may not be right but that is what earl said in that interview.

Hmm. That might be worth mentioning. I don't think Buck was thinking of that interview though, I just think he made a boo-boo. Maybe everyone should listen to Mona tonight, and see if they hear enough hints of Brian to mention it, and then we'll take a vote.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Glenn Greenberg on October 30, 2007, 08:50:44 AM
Regarding L.A. (Light Album):

Did Brian really contribute absolutely no vocals to that album?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Steve Mayo on October 30, 2007, 09:00:21 AM
may not be worth much, but back in 1977 i read an interview of earl manke about love you. in that interview he said that both brian and dennis sang mona and the vocal was a blend of those 2 voices. somewhere in my house i have that interview. may not be right but that is what earl said in that interview.

Hmm. That might be worth mentioning. I don't think Buck was thinking of that interview though, I just think he made a boo-boo. Maybe everyone should listen to Mona tonight, and see if they hear enough hints of Brian to mention it, and then we'll take a vote.

i was just mentioning what i had read about that song back in 1977. i really don't care much if it is only dennis or both. and i think the same earle info was mentioned on a radio special (earth news radio..i think...something like that) that ran for about a week when the lp was released.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 30, 2007, 09:26:51 AM
Well, yeah, but caring whether it's Brian or Dennis or both is kinda the point of this thread.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on October 30, 2007, 09:27:32 AM
Regarding L.A. (Light Album):

Did Brian really contribute absolutely no vocals to that album?

I think I read that he's on "Angel Come Home" at least. Someone would need to confirm that though.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 30, 2007, 02:17:35 PM
may not be worth much, but back in 1977 i read an interview of earl manke about love you. in that interview he said that both brian and dennis sang mona and the vocal was a blend of those 2 voices. somewhere in my house i have that interview. may not be right but that is what earl said in that interview.

Hmm. That might be worth mentioning. I don't think Buck was thinking of that interview though, I just think he made a boo-boo. Maybe everyone should listen to Mona tonight, and see if they hear enough hints of Brian to mention it, and then we'll take a vote.

Brad Elliott said that Earle also told him that back when Brad was researching his book, so Brad credited both of them.  Dennis is defintely the dominant voice, although you can hear Brian on the second half of each line. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on October 30, 2007, 02:42:48 PM
Regarding L.A. (Light Album):

Did Brian really contribute absolutely no vocals to that album?

I think I read that he's on "Angel Come Home" at least. Someone would need to confirm that though.

I can confirm that Carl said "Brian sang on 'Angel Come Home' and other background parts" (Time Barrier Express, 1979).  When asked if Brian had any production input into the album Bruce said it was "More vocally", and Carl said "It was more performance this time", and then Bruce said "On 'Angel Come Home' it's mostly three-part harmony...until the choruses, then we added Mike".  An article published right around the same time in "Grooves" Magazine said "Brian's only real contribution to the new album has been his singing on a few tracks".  In that article, Carl said "Bruce and I had a lot of fun doing the background parts in Japanese" (on "Sumahama"), which might imply Brian in NOT on that one.

However I can also confirm that Bruce said Brian did NOT sing on "Good Timin'" (in another interview around 1995 or so, and I think he said it was b/c Brian was in the hospital at the time), and we know that he isn't on "Here Comes The Night" despite the fact that Bruce intended to get him on the high part. 

I can confirm that Bobby Figueroa said he did a lot of vocal work on the album with Carl.

And I can't confirm it, but I'm pretty sure Brian sang on "Shortenin' Bread" since they reportedly did the vocals in Miami.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on October 30, 2007, 08:47:01 PM
I think Brian is mixed way to low on Mona for it to matter. I heard (what is said to be) the 1974 Good Timin instrumental with some bare bones vocal harmonies, I think Brian would be on that. Only when the title is sung in harmony would he be present though.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Steve Mayo on October 31, 2007, 06:53:26 AM
I heard (what is said to be) the 1974 Good Timin instrumental with some bare bones vocal harmonies

 ;)


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Post by: Beach Boy on October 31, 2007, 06:59:27 AM
However I can also confirm that Bruce said Brian did NOT sing on "Good Timin'"

So, who is singing the falsetto?  ???


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Post by: c-man on October 31, 2007, 08:33:45 AM
However I can also confirm that Bruce said Brian did NOT sing on "Good Timin'"

So, who is singing the falsetto?  ???

Mostly Carl.  Which might be the reason they had Dennis sing the lead at the Radio City Music Hall and Mike sing the lead on the Easter Seals Telethon in early '79:  because Carl was busy singing the falsetto (which you can hear him doing on tapes of those performances).  However, to be honest, that would mostly just affect the chorus of the song, not so much the verses.  But still, that's how they did it.  By May of that year, Carl was doing the lead in concert, and Bobby F. was handling the falsetto, although Bruce did a falsetto part at the very end.


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Post by: John on October 31, 2007, 09:20:43 AM
The "response" falsetto definitely sounds like Carl to me.

I think we should mention that Brian on Mona thing, with a caveat. Thanks, C-Man!

Now folks, who's singing the "Here comes the Night, oh-oh" segment on HCTN, Alan or Mike?


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Post by: Beach Boy on October 31, 2007, 10:37:00 AM
Carl is singing the falsetto on the RECORD??  :o   I hope my brother won't be too sad when I say that the falsetto isn't Brian.  :-\

BTW My vote is that Al sings the part you asked for, John.


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Post by: c-man on October 31, 2007, 11:03:45 AM
Carl is singing the falsetto on the RECORD??  :o   I hope my brother won't be too sad when I say that the falsetto isn't Brian.  :-\

BTW My vote is that Al sings the part you asked for, John.

Yep, that's Carl on the record. 


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 31, 2007, 11:11:53 AM

Now folks, who's singing the "Here comes the Night, oh-oh" segment on HCTN, Alan or Mike?

The first pass is evidently The Vocoder Kid. Could be Curt, could be the studio janitor.

The next pass - at 2.28 into the LP version - is so obviously Mike that I can't believe anyone could think it's Alan.

However, the same phrase as sung during the chorus does have Alan mixed high in the stack.


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Post by: Wilsonista on October 31, 2007, 01:10:18 PM
Carl is singing the falsetto on the RECORD??  :o   I hope my brother won't be too sad when I say that the falsetto isn't Brian.  :-\



Why would anybody be sad that Carl sang a falsetto?  It's a beautiful part regardless of who did it.


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on October 31, 2007, 01:24:12 PM
Carl is singing the falsetto on the RECORD??  :o   I hope my brother won't be too sad when I say that the falsetto isn't Brian.  :-\



Why would anybody be sad that Carl sang a falsetto?  It's a beautiful part regardless of who did it.

And Carl certainly sang a lot of them.


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Post by: Beach Boy on October 31, 2007, 01:25:13 PM
Carl is singing the falsetto on the RECORD??  :o   I hope my brother won't be too sad when I say that the falsetto isn't Brian.  :-\



Why would anybody be sad that Carl sang a falsetto?  It's a beautiful part regardless of who did it.

Well, my brother is a real big fan of Brian and is happy when Brian sings a falsetto since the mid 70ies (Getcha Back, MIU, Sunshine, etc), but he did already know that Carl is singing the falsetto on GD, I was the only one on earth that didn't know.  :p


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Post by: c-man on October 31, 2007, 06:41:28 PM
I'd like to know who sings the falsetto in "Love Surrounds Me"...in the middle of the song, there's an impossibly high voice that just soars.  Couldn't be Christine I would think, since she normally sings in a lower range with a huskier voice; she does sing a high part quite beautfiully in the fadeout, but this part is much higher.  My guess is either Bruce or Bobby Figueroa, and I'm leaning toward Bruce.


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Post by: Jay on October 31, 2007, 08:52:59 PM
Not to bracktrack, but untill I joined this messageboard and read otherwise, I always thought Brian sang Mona.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 31, 2007, 11:39:46 PM
Peter Buck probably still does !


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Post by: pixletwin on November 01, 2007, 12:15:13 AM
Per Good Timin', I really think Dennis should have had the lead on this one. His vocal really does lend an edge to the song which is really lacking in the official version.


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 01, 2007, 01:22:23 AM
Andrew, did you ever contact Peter Buck's people for plagarizing part of your Love You review from your book for his feeble attempt at liner notes?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 01, 2007, 03:59:56 AM
Nope. To be honest, it never occurred to me. Besides, people might think he 'borrowed' the mistakes too.  8)


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Post by: John on November 01, 2007, 08:46:05 AM

Now folks, who's singing the "Here comes the Night, oh-oh" segment on HCTN, Alan or Mike?

The first pass is evidently The Vocoder Kid. Could be Curt, could be the studio janitor.

The next pass - at 2.28 into the LP version - is so obviously Mike that I can't believe anyone could think it's Alan.

However, the same phrase as sung during the chorus does have Alan mixed high in the stack.

I'll take another listen to it from 2:28 onwards.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Emdeeh on November 01, 2007, 09:04:24 AM
Peter Buck probably still does !

REM's in town finishing up their album. If I run into Pete wandering around downtown, should I ask him about "Mona"?  :lol







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Post by: SloopJohnB on November 01, 2007, 09:11:51 AM


The next pass - at 2.28 into the LP version - is so obviously Mike that I can't believe anyone could think it's Alan.


It sounds awfully like Alan to my ears - and funnily enough, I can't believe anyone could think it's not him  :P


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Post by: Jon Stebbins on November 01, 2007, 09:22:18 AM
I'd like to know who sings the falsetto in "Love Surrounds Me"...in the middle of the song, there's an impossibly high voice that just soars.  Couldn't be Christine I would think, since she normally sings in a lower range with a huskier voice; she does sing a high part quite beautfiully in the fadeout, but this part is much higher.  My guess is either Bruce or Bobby Figueroa, and I'm leaning toward Bruce.

I think Myrna Smith is on a LSM session somewhere. Maybe its her.


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Post by: c-man on November 01, 2007, 02:31:20 PM
I'd like to know who sings the falsetto in "Love Surrounds Me"...in the middle of the song, there's an impossibly high voice that just soars.  Couldn't be Christine I would think, since she normally sings in a lower range with a huskier voice; she does sing a high part quite beautfiully in the fadeout, but this part is much higher.  My guess is either Bruce or Bobby Figueroa, and I'm leaning toward Bruce.

I think Myrna Smith is on a LSM session somewhere. Maybe its her.

Wow, OK, that would make sense.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on November 01, 2007, 11:28:57 PM
Regarding L.A. (Light Album):

Did Brian really contribute absolutely no vocals to that album?

I think I read that he's on "Angel Come Home" at least. Someone would need to confirm that though.

I can confirm that Carl said "Brian sang on 'Angel Come Home' and other background parts" (Time Barrier Express, 1979).  When asked if Brian had any production input into the album Bruce said it was "More vocally", and Carl said "It was more performance this time", and then Bruce said "On 'Angel Come Home' it's mostly three-part harmony...until the choruses, then we added Mike".  An article published right around the same time in "Grooves" Magazine said "Brian's only real contribution to the new album has been his singing on a few tracks".  In that article, Carl said "Bruce and I had a lot of fun doing the background parts in Japanese" (on "Sumahama"), which might imply Brian in NOT on that one.

However I can also confirm that Bruce said Brian did NOT sing on "Good Timin'" (in another interview around 1995 or so, and I think he said it was b/c Brian was in the hospital at the time), and we know that he isn't on "Here Comes The Night" despite the fact that Bruce intended to get him on the high part. 

I can confirm that Bobby Figueroa said he did a lot of vocal work on the album with Carl.

And I can't confirm it, but I'm pretty sure Brian sang on "Shortenin' Bread" since they reportedly did the vocals in Miami.

I've been told that Brian (believe it or not) is not on "Shortenin' Bread," and that it was done while he was still at Brotman.  FWIW.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on November 01, 2007, 11:31:55 PM
I had often thought the falsetto on BABY BLUE was Brian's...Alan Boyd played a different mix of the track and proved me wrong.  It was Carl.

One of the reasons I love LIGHT ALBUM is the prevalence of Carl's falsetto on it.  He actually seemed to be pretty reluctant to take the high part, generally leaving it to Brian, Al or Bruce.  Boy, did he kill in that range or what?


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Post by: mikeyj on November 01, 2007, 11:41:31 PM
I had often thought the falsetto on BABY BLUE was Brian's...Alan Boyd played a different mix of the track and proved me wrong.  It was Carl.

One of the reasons I love LIGHT ALBUM is the prevalence of Carl's falsetto on it.  He actually seemed to be pretty reluctant to take the high part, generally leaving it to Brian, Al or Bruce.  Boy, did he kill in that range or what?

This is really strange. Because I always assumed (like Im sure maby some other people have as well) that the falsetto bits are usually always Brian (unless they are obviously not). Like when a lot of people used to think Brian did "It's been such a long day..." on Be Here In The Mornin' when it is really Al. Then on Baby Blue it is Carl, Good Timin' is Carl... etc.. So this is all new to me. I agree though, Carl has a great falsetto. I don't think I've ever seen him use it in concert or atleast not very often.


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Post by: signum on November 02, 2007, 02:29:00 AM
I agree. Carl's falsetto is brilliant. And it's recently struck me how great the "LA" album really is. Full of perfect, amazing recordings and harmonies. I'm even happy with "HCTN" although I normally wouldn't go anywhere near "disco" music.

Listening yet again to "HCTN", that part at 2.28 is Alan and can't even be imagined as being Mike. But sometimes it is followed by some "do do dos" which sound like they could easily be Mike.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on November 02, 2007, 04:44:35 AM
Brian's voice was in bad shape in mid 1978 as his demo of I'm Begging You Please bears out. He didn't have the ability to sing them at the time.


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Post by: mikeyj on November 02, 2007, 04:47:46 AM
Brian's voice was in bad shape in mid 1978 as his demo of I'm Begging You Please bears out. He didn't have the ability to sing them at the time.

Yeh it does make sense. But when I was just starting to get into the band and I found out it was Brian singing the high bits on Fun Fun Fun etc.. then I just automatically assumed he sung the high bits on the later songs too. Then I found out his voice got worse around 15 Big Ones but I never really thought about that the falsetto parts weren't him. But as I say it does make sense now that somebody has said it and now that I think about it.


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Post by: c-man on November 02, 2007, 07:12:40 AM
Brian's voice was in bad shape in mid 1978 as his demo of I'm Begging You Please bears out. He didn't have the ability to sing them at the time.

Brian was smoking a lot at the time, and specifically called Bruce down to the Miami sessions to sing the high parts b/c he (Brian) couldn't do them at the time.  Interesting how Carl ended up doing some of them, and I agree that Carl sounds great in that range...really "full-bodied" compared to Brian or Bruce.

Incidentally, probably the earliest BBs song with someone other than Brian singing a substantially falsetto part was "Girl From NYC", which had Bruce singing the falsetto.


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Post by: Sheriff John Stone on November 02, 2007, 07:39:17 AM
Brian's voice was in bad shape in mid 1978 as his demo of I'm Begging You Please bears out. He didn't have the ability to sing them at the time.

Brian was smoking a lot at the time, and specifically called Bruce down to the Miami sessions to sing the high parts b/c he (Brian) couldn't do them at the time.  Interesting how Carl ended up doing some of them, and I agree that Carl sounds great in that range...really "full-bodied" compared to Brian or Bruce..

"I'm Begging You Please" always confused me. I assumed, because of the vocal, that it was recorded circa-1976. By late 1977, during the recording of MIU, Brian's voice had recovered substantially. I also saw/heard Brian in concert in 1978 and he didn't sound that bad. It's hard to believe that by smoking heavily post-MIU until the recording of "I'm Begging You Please" (in 1978?), that his voice could deteriorate that much.

I also always assumed that Brian's main reason for calling Bruce down to Miami was for production reasons, not vocal ones. Not that Bruce couldn't handle the falsetto parts, but Carl, Bobby Figueroa (?), and maybe Brian - after several takes - could?


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Post by: John on November 02, 2007, 09:03:03 AM
I'm with the guys here who can't picture HCTN being anyone other than Al. I listened to it so many times, then I listened to it in the dark, I listened to it standing on my head, and I can't hear Mike at all. It's SO Al. It's the quintessential Al. It's 100% Al.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 02, 2007, 10:21:10 AM
Brian's voice was in bad shape in mid 1978 as his demo of I'm Begging You Please bears out. He didn't have the ability to sing them at the time.

Brian was smoking a lot at the time, and specifically called Bruce down to the Miami sessions to sing the high parts b/c he (Brian) couldn't do them at the time.  Interesting how Carl ended up doing some of them, and I agree that Carl sounds great in that range...really "full-bodied" compared to Brian or Bruce..

"I'm Begging You Please" always confused me. I assumed, because of the vocal, that it was recorded circa-1976. By late 1977, during the recording of MIU, Brian's voice had recovered substantially. I also saw/heard Brian in concert in 1978 and he didn't sound that bad. It's hard to believe that by smoking heavily post-MIU until the recording of "I'm Begging You Please" (in 1978?), that his voice could deteriorate that much.

I also always assumed that Brian's main reason for calling Bruce down to Miami was for production reasons, not vocal ones. Not that Bruce couldn't handle the falsetto parts, but Carl, Bobby Figueroa (?), and maybe Brian - after several takes - could?


No, Bruce was quite adamant in interviews that Brian called him down to Miami just to sing.  It wasn't until they got deep into the sessions, possibly back in L.A., that Bruce took over the helm (with Guercio).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on November 02, 2007, 11:58:16 AM
Brian's voice was in bad shape in mid 1978 as his demo of I'm Begging You Please bears out. He didn't have the ability to sing them at the time.

Brian was smoking a lot at the time, and specifically called Bruce down to the Miami sessions to sing the high parts b/c he (Brian) couldn't do them at the time.  Interesting how Carl ended up doing some of them, and I agree that Carl sounds great in that range...really "full-bodied" compared to Brian or Bruce..

"I'm Begging You Please" always confused me. I assumed, because of the vocal, that it was recorded circa-1976. By late 1977, during the recording of MIU, Brian's voice had recovered substantially. I also saw/heard Brian in concert in 1978 and he didn't sound that bad. It's hard to believe that by smoking heavily post-MIU until the recording of "I'm Begging You Please" (in 1978?), that his voice could deteriorate that much.

I also always assumed that Brian's main reason for calling Bruce down to Miami was for production reasons, not vocal ones. Not that Bruce couldn't handle the falsetto parts, but Carl, Bobby Figueroa (?), and maybe Brian - after several takes - could?


There's a clip on youtube of Brian singing (I think) "Love is a Woman" onstage with the Beach Boys in early 1977.  He does a so-so job on the lead vocal, nothing great really, then at the very end, he does a very high little falsetto ad-lib and he nails it.  Then he repeated it.  Perfect tone and pitch.  It's totally out of nowhere.  Weird. 

A lot of the issue may be focus...it was harder for him to sing up there, and so he had to concentrate to do it, and probably the concentration was lacking most of the time in that period.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on November 02, 2007, 08:21:14 PM
Brian's voice was in bad shape in mid 1978 as his demo of I'm Begging You Please bears out. He didn't have the ability to sing them at the time.

Brian was smoking a lot at the time, and specifically called Bruce down to the Miami sessions to sing the high parts b/c he (Brian) couldn't do them at the time.  Interesting how Carl ended up doing some of them, and I agree that Carl sounds great in that range...really "full-bodied" compared to Brian or Bruce..

"I'm Begging You Please" always confused me. I assumed, because of the vocal, that it was recorded circa-1976. By late 1977, during the recording of MIU, Brian's voice had recovered substantially. I also saw/heard Brian in concert in 1978 and he didn't sound that bad. It's hard to believe that by smoking heavily post-MIU until the recording of "I'm Begging You Please" (in 1978?), that his voice could deteriorate that much.

I also always assumed that Brian's main reason for calling Bruce down to Miami was for production reasons, not vocal ones. Not that Bruce couldn't handle the falsetto parts, but Carl, Bobby Figueroa (?), and maybe Brian - after several takes - could?


There's a clip on youtube of Brian singing (I think) "Love is a Woman" onstage with the Beach Boys in early 1977.  He does a so-so job on the lead vocal, nothing great really, then at the very end, he does a very high little falsetto ad-lib and he nails it.  Then he repeated it.  Perfect tone and pitch.  It's totally out of nowhere.  Weird. 

A lot of the issue may be focus...it was harder for him to sing up there, and so he had to concentrate to do it, and probably the concentration was lacking most of the time in that period.
I have seen that same video. It IS weird!  ;D For a brief second, his voice sounds perfect.


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Post by: Chris Brown on November 02, 2007, 10:19:47 PM
I just checked the video out, and yeah I see what you guys are saying.  That totally came out of nowhere!  The lead is rough at times, then he suddenly jumps up to falsetto and it sounds great.  Go figure.


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Post by: Jay on November 02, 2007, 10:46:06 PM
Maybe Brian's lack of falsetto is(or was, at least in the 70's...) psychosematic(spelling?)? I mean, maybe he convinced himself that he couldn't do it, and therefore he wasn't physically able to?


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Post by: MBE on November 03, 2007, 03:09:12 AM
I never heard that about Briuce Girl From New York City anywhere. Sounds like vintage Brian to me.


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Post by: mikeyj on November 03, 2007, 03:16:31 AM
I never heard that about Briuce Girl From New York City anywhere. Sounds like vintage Brian to me.

Yeh I always thought that sounded like trademark Brian too. I spose if anybody on this board knows though, its probably C-man.. he is a nerd for that sort of stuff.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Beach Boy on November 03, 2007, 04:10:52 AM
Is the lead vocal by Carl of "Good Timin'" from 1974, or 1978/9?

BTW Sometimes it really sounds like Mike on HCTN around 2:30, but I am still not sure.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 03, 2007, 05:39:37 AM
I think the basic track and lead are from 1974.


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Post by: Beach Boy on November 03, 2007, 06:25:53 AM
I think the basic track and lead are from 1974.

That's what I thought too but another member of this board said that he read on your site that only the track dates back from '74.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 03, 2007, 06:28:19 AM
I never heard that about Briuce Girl From New York City anywhere. Sounds like vintage Brian to me.

Yeh I always thought that sounded like trademark Brian too. I spose if anybody on this board knows though, its probably C-man.. he is a nerd for that sort of stuff.

I first started suspecting it was Bruce several years ago (like the early '90s).  Then when I finally heard the session tape, that confirmed it.  Brian, Carl & Al sing a tight three-part mid-range harmony in the chorus, then Bruce lets rip with that falsetto. 

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Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on November 03, 2007, 07:18:19 AM
I will have to listen close to the SOT. Why doesn't Bruce claim credit for it, he pipes up to claim everything else? Maybe we can ask him at BBB.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on November 03, 2007, 11:17:55 AM
Girl From NYC is definitely Bruce.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 05, 2007, 10:35:20 AM
Not sure about Alan on "Sunshine", unless you mean the prominent background part he sings.  In the TV special they did for this album, Mike mentions how he, Carl and Brian share the three-part lead.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 05, 2007, 02:54:37 PM
"SAW" - Bruce shades Alan during the verses after the first line of each.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on November 05, 2007, 03:31:28 PM
Not sure about Alan on "Sunshine", unless you mean the prominent background part he sings.  In the TV special they did for this album, Mike mentions how he, Carl and Brian share the three-part lead.

Yeah, and if IIRC, on the lipsync'd concert of the song, Al and Bruce sang the "dum dum" loop part, Carl, Brian and Mike did the main vocal.  Doesn't prove anything, but it seems right.

It's interesting that Brian did so much of the singing on the album, and yet his voice is presented in such a way that a casual fan could never tell.  I remember getting the album in 1980 and not picking him out anywhere on the album (I had thought then that the "Goin' On" responses -- the only place where Brian's voice is by itself -- were Dennis).  Judging by some of the outtakes from this era, it's probably because they couldn't get a good solo vocal out of Brian, but judging by Bruce's comments at the time, really wanted his voice back on top of the blend.


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Post by: c-man on November 05, 2007, 03:35:22 PM
Not sure about Alan on "Sunshine", unless you mean the prominent background part he sings.  In the TV special they did for this album, Mike mentions how he, Carl and Brian share the three-part lead.

Yeah, and if IIRC, on the lipsync'd concert of the song, Al and Bruce sang the "dum dum" loop part, Carl, Brian and Mike did the main vocal.  Doesn't prove anything, but it seems right.

It's interesting that Brian did so much of the singing on the album, and yet his voice is presented in such a way that a casual fan could never tell.  I remember getting the album in 1980 and not picking him out anywhere on the album (I had thought then that the "Goin' On" responses -- the only place where Brian's voice is by itself -- were Dennis).  Judging by some of the outtakes from this era, it's probably because they couldn't get a good solo vocal out of Brian, but judging by Bruce's comments at the time, really wanted his voice back on top of the blend.

Yeah Adam, I know whatcha mean. At first I thought that "Wontcha gimme some of" background vocal on "Some Of Your Love" was Dennis, but of course it's Brian.  Brian does a really good job on the falsetto on "Sunshine" BTW, one reason I love that song (I know I'm one of the proud and the few who does).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on November 05, 2007, 03:37:32 PM
I'd be in favor of a "prominent back up" part on KTSA for Mike on the "Louie Louie" bass vocal IF we could verify that it's really him.  I've always had a hard time convincing myself of that, particularly the "bow" part on the 2nd verse.  It actually sounds a lot more like Dennis, though I realize that's probably impossible.  It could just be the extensive amount of processing on the voice just makes it sound like someone else, but I've wondered if those bass parts -- the 2nd verse part at least -- weren't performed by a session ringer.

Anyway, if it's Mike, I'd advocate for a prominent backup on that section.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 05, 2007, 06:38:12 PM
I'd be in favor of a "prominent back up" part on KTSA for Mike on the "Louie Louie" bass vocal IF we could verify that it's really him.  I've always had a hard time convincing myself of that, particularly the "bow" part on the 2nd verse.  It actually sounds a lot more like Dennis, though I realize that's probably impossible.  It could just be the extensive amount of processing on the voice just makes it sound like someone else, but I've wondered if those bass parts -- the 2nd verse part at least -- weren't performed by a session ringer.

Anyway, if it's Mike, I'd advocate for a prominent backup on that section.

Yep, I've wondered that myself the past few years...I'm sure it's the same person all the way through, but I'm wondering if it's not really Mike.  Probably is, but I wish we knew for sure.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on November 05, 2007, 10:24:03 PM
I say it's Mike only because of how he sounded on Louie, Louie.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on November 05, 2007, 10:28:39 PM
I know this is the same suggestion-type that I usually have. But at the begining of School Days, I would make note that Brian's vocal on top is very prominent... I know its a group vocal, but Brian's voice is definitely mixed out front.

:o


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on November 06, 2007, 01:46:21 AM
I think Brian is pretty upfront too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on November 07, 2007, 10:49:43 AM
Not sure about Alan on "Sunshine", unless you mean the prominent background part he sings.  In the TV special they did for this album, Mike mentions how he, Carl and Brian share the three-part lead.

Yeah, I meant the "dum-dum" bit. I'll alter that (and listen for Bruce on SAW) as soon as I get a proper chance, as well as adding a note about Bri on School Days.


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Post by: John on November 08, 2007, 10:23:07 AM
Done.


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 09, 2007, 09:58:45 AM
Bruce should be a prominent back up on School Days, because his annoying "Oh, oh, oh OH"part is repetitive as hell and is mixed way too loudly.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 09, 2007, 10:32:27 AM
I just noticed that Carl sings a prominent background line in the choruses of "Santa Ana Winds" (sorry if that's already been mentioned).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on November 11, 2007, 08:40:40 AM
Yeah, we've got it now!

Soon: Knebworth.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 11, 2007, 09:07:24 AM
Jumping back to MIU for a minute...did you ever give Brian credit for singing the line of the choruses on "My Diane" ? ("Shadows haunt me night and day", etc.)



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on November 12, 2007, 08:01:02 AM
I've got him at the end "I...I love you Diane", but I don't have him there; I didn't know it was him, I'll take a listen.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on November 13, 2007, 12:14:54 AM
I don't think he sings the Shadows line.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 13, 2007, 04:45:27 AM
I don't think he sings the Shadows line.

I think he does.  Listen to the original "New Album" version...Dennis sings it there.  Then listen to the official "MIU" version...to me, it sounds just like Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on November 13, 2007, 10:26:50 AM
I think c-man is right. Although I'm not sure yet. I always thought there was something funny about that line in "My Diane". It seems to be a change in main vocalist, though there are two parts in harmony and they're about equally prominent. I'll have to listen again to see if it's Brian (and whoever else).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on November 13, 2007, 03:19:59 PM
I think c-man is right. Although I'm not sure yet. I always thought there was something funny about that line in "My Diane". It seems to be a change in main vocalist, though there are two parts in harmony and they're about equally prominent. I'll have to listen again to see if it's Brian (and whoever else).

I always thought it was Brian and Dennis, but I haven't gone and listened to it to confirm that impression.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on November 14, 2007, 02:41:17 AM
I will have to play them. I do remember a mixing difference on those lines.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on November 16, 2007, 04:41:16 AM
After listening to "My Diane" a few more times I think it is Brian and Carl on the last line of the verses. Neither part sounds like Dennis and the lower part (which is slightly more prominent) sounds slightly rough and like Brian in this era, whereas the higher part is very smooth and sounds like Carl. It also makes sense that it might be them because they definitely sing the three part chorus (" everything is wrong and nothing is right") with Dennis (Brian on top in falsetto, Dennis starting in the middle and going down the scale, crossing over Carl's part which goes up the scale).

So perhaps that would would  count as a Brian lead?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 16, 2007, 04:46:52 AM
After listening to "My Diane" a few more times I think it is Brian and Carl on the last line of the verses. Neither part sounds like Dennis and the lower part (which is slightly more prominent) sounds slightly rough and like Brian in this era, whereas the higher part is very smooth and sounds like Carl. It also makes sense that it might be them because they definitely sing the three part chorus (" everything is wrong and nothing is right") with Dennis (Brian on top in falsetto, Dennis starting in the middle and going down the scale, crossing over Carl's part which goes up the scale).

So perhaps that would would  count as a Brian lead?

A "cameo" lead, I would think.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on November 16, 2007, 07:44:14 AM
It's a "with", and I'll add it now. :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on November 23, 2007, 08:47:55 AM
I will return, and soon, with Knebworth! Sorry about the delay....


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on December 08, 2007, 07:32:38 AM
Phew! Back again. On to Knebworth:


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on December 08, 2007, 07:59:11 AM
This was taken from the DVD rather than the CD, by the way. It's easier to tell, of course, when you can see the artist performing, and also...ahem.. I don't own the CD.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Beach Boy on December 08, 2007, 08:00:42 AM
Bruce and Bobby on choruses, what about Al? And Mike sings on the GOK tag too. Al sings on the beginning of BTTYS, Mike the bride on Do It Again and Mike should get a special credit for singing Papa Oom Mow Mow on Barbara Ann.  ;)   And of course too for the bass part on KTSA. BTW I can cleary hear Dennis singing too with Mike the low harmony on Surfer Girl.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on December 08, 2007, 09:31:10 AM
Thank you so much for bringing this thread back! Up for discussion:

I don't think Mike deserves his own credit on Surfer Girl.  Its either group vocal on harmony or list them all individually, Mike doesn't stand out enough for me. It should just be Brian bridge, Al verses and falsetto, Group harmonies.

I do think Mike deserves a credit on the tag of Lady Lynda though.

California Girls should be group on choruses. Alan and Bruce on tag

Alan on BTTYS tag maybe as well for the falsetto?




Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on December 08, 2007, 09:33:43 AM
One more thing and its not a correction, but I personally hated Mike singing the first verse of Rhonda with Al. He pulled that in the late 70's and early 80's, and I never liked the sound of it. I just needed to vent about that!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on December 08, 2007, 11:45:18 AM
One more thing and its not a correction, but I personally hated Mike singing the first verse of Rhonda with Al. He pulled that in the late 70's and early 80's, and I never liked the sound of it. I just needed to vent about that!

This has nothing to do with anything, but what was with Carl and then Dennis taking over the lead on this from Al in the early '70s?  I would think politically this was kind of messed up, as it was Al's one big hit as a lead vocalist.  Granted, he was singing most of Brian's leads at the time, but it seems not very nice to take away Al's star turn when Carl was essentially fronting the band at that point and was singing the lion's share of the leads.  Or was Al sick of the vocal or didn't like the updated "hip" version of the song and asked Carl to sing it?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on December 08, 2007, 12:49:43 PM
One more thing and its not a correction, but I personally hated Mike singing the first verse of Rhonda with Al. He pulled that in the late 70's and early 80's, and I never liked the sound of it. I just needed to vent about that!

This has nothing to do with anything, but what was with Carl and then Dennis taking over the lead on this from Al in the early '70s?  I would think politically this was kind of messed up, as it was Al's one big hit as a lead vocalist.  Granted, he was singing most of Brian's leads at the time, but it seems not very nice to take away Al's star turn when Carl was essentially fronting the band at that point and was singing the lion's share of the leads.  Or was Al sick of the vocal or didn't like the updated "hip" version of the song and asked Carl to sing it?

My guess is Carl had the idea to do it as a slow boogie-blues and demonstrated it to the rest of the band, and Al just said go ahead & do it.  Then later Carl decided Dennis needed to be more a part of the show, so it got handed to him.  But that's just guessing...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on December 08, 2007, 01:21:29 PM
Carl's voice fits the 70s arrangement better.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on December 09, 2007, 07:57:53 AM
No "group" credits unless Brian and Dennis are singing...

As for the rest, I'll take another look. Mike's credited with Surfer Girl because he sounded really prominent on the DVS mix on my TV.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Beach Boy on December 09, 2007, 08:14:24 AM
And what about Mike on Cottonfields? And Al sings throughout GV Mike's part sometimes, you can hear him hardly but you can hear him!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: donutbandit on December 09, 2007, 03:59:23 PM
I know I'm coming very late into this thread, and maybe someone has since pointed this out, but:

4.   Chapel Of Love                    - Brian

Sorry, guys, but that's Al.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: donutbandit on December 09, 2007, 04:21:27 PM
"I am even starting to wonder if Brian couldn't and didn't sing any falsetto on "15 Big Ones", except that "In The Still Of The Night" sounds like Brian's falsetto. Perhaps it suggests that if he really tried he could omit the roughness in his voice?"

Al again. Brian never had such a thin, silly sounding falsetto. Listen to the first 2 lines of "Loop de Loop" and you'll hear exactly the same squeaky, thin voice.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: donutbandit on December 09, 2007, 04:44:38 PM
"Girl From NYC is definitely Bruce."

I have never heard Bruce come anywhere near that range on any recording he has ever done. However, if you listen to the "Rhonda" session tapes, you can hear Brian at one point just playing around in that range, and then going up to mezzo-soprano range just to fool around.

That is Brian. Bruce couldn't have sung that high if he inhaled a feather duster. The only time he even came close was at the end of "Endless Harmony" and that was with a lot of of aural enhancement.

If you listen to him sing falsetto live, he can't even get as high as Al can.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ebb and Flow on December 09, 2007, 07:11:24 PM
The problem there is that you can clearly hear Brian singing with the group while the Falsetto wail is in the BG.  Who's to say he couldn't hit that range in 1965?  He was hired as Brian's replacement for a reason.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on December 09, 2007, 08:14:37 PM
Al's and Brian's voices sometimes do sound a lot alike, but I bet my bottom dollar it is Brian singing falsetto on "Chapel Of Love" and "In The Still Of The Night".  It's a different sounding falsetto than what he was capable of a decade earlier, kindy shakey & wobbly, and in the case of "Chapel" downright silly.  But it's Brian.  Compare that to some of the live falsettos he's attempted since that time, and you can tell. 

And "Girl From NYC" is Bruce.

The highest-ever falsetto I can remember on a Beach Boys track is the one in the middle of "Love Surrounds Me".  It's definitely not Brian, it might possibly be Bobby Figueroa, but it sounds so much like the one at the end of "Endless Harmony" that to my ears it could quite possibly be Bruce.  Jeepers, it's high. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on December 09, 2007, 08:36:03 PM
Bruce has a very high falsetto, well maybe had is a better word.  His voice isn't/wasn't powerful enough as Brian's or even Al's to sustain it to sing a song or verse in falsetto like that. Bruce does a good job singing  ooooooh's and ahhhhh's in falsetto or hitting a note like I Write the Songs thats really high. It's just he can't sustain it or make it powerful enough for a falsetto lead . For instance a song like Cal Girls on the tag, Barbara Ann or Catch A Wave, or Hawaii  with falsetto leads Bruce would be very weak on.  In the early 70s when he was singing falsetto on I Get Around you cant even hear it on some of the decent recordings I have heard. I am thinking that Central Park Special 71.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on December 09, 2007, 08:38:22 PM
Speaking of high parts in Beach Boy songs, Al Jardine gets pretty high on Be Here in The Mornin!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on December 09, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
Good Timin': Live At Knebworth 1980:


1.   California Girls      - Mike (verses), with Carl, Bruce and Bobby Figueroa on the choruses
2.   Sloop John B.                        - Brian (1st verse), Mike (2nd verses), Carl (3rd verse) 1
3.   Darlin'                                    - Carl
4.   School Days (Ring! Ring! Goes The Bell)      - Alan
5.   God Only Knows                    - Carl, with Bruce and Alan on the tag
6.   Be True To Your School          - Mike
7.   Do It Again                            - Mike (verses) and Carl (bridge)
8.   Little Deuce Coupe                - Mike
9.   Cottonfields                          - Alan
10. Heroes And Villains  - Alan (verses, coda), Carl (choruses) and Mike (1st verse, chorus bass counter)
11. Keepin' The Summer Alive    - Carl
12. Lady Lynda                          - Alan
13. Surfer Girl            - Brian (bridge), Alan (verses) with Mike (verse low harmony)
14. Help Me Rhonda     - Alan (verses, chorus) with Carl (choruses), Mike (1st verse, bass vocal) 2
15. Rock And Roll Music              - Mike
16. I Get Around                        - Mike and Bobby Figueroa
17. Surfin' USA                            - Mike 3
18. You Are So Beautiful            - Dennis
19. Good Vibrations                    - Carl and Mike
20. Barbara-Ann                        - Alan, with Mike
21. Fun, Fun, Fun                        - Mike

Bonus Tracks:

22. Runaway (Live 1981)          - Alan

1 Prominent harmony vocal: Alan on the first chorus.
2 Prominent vocal: Dennis on chorus descants (and good natured irritant!).
3 Prominent vocal: Alan performs the "Everybody's gone surfin'" line.
I'm not sure if you would count this or not, but Brian originally sang "Girls, girls, girls, yeah I dig the girls" during California Girls at the concert. He was mixed out of the official DVD/CD release.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Beach Boy on December 09, 2007, 09:19:44 PM
Bruce has a very high falsetto, well maybe had is a better word.  His voice isn't/wasn't powerful enough as Brian's or even Al's to sustain it to sing a song or verse in falsetto like that. Bruce does a good job singing  ooooooh's and ahhhhh's in falsetto or hitting a note like I Write the Songs thats really high. It's just he can't sustain it or make it powerful enough for a falsetto lead . For instance a song like Cal Girls on the tag, Barbara Ann or Catch A Wave, or Hawaii  with falsetto leads Bruce would be very weak on.  In the early 70s when he was singing falsetto on I Get Around you cant even hear it on some of the decent recordings I have heard. I am thinking that Central Park Special 71.

Bruce sang (with Bobby) the falsetto on "Hawaii" in 79/80.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 10, 2007, 01:18:25 AM
"I am even starting to wonder if Brian couldn't and didn't sing any falsetto on "15 Big Ones", except that "In The Still Of The Night" sounds like Brian's falsetto. Perhaps it suggests that if he really tried he could omit the roughness in his voice?"

Al again. Brian never had such a thin, silly sounding falsetto. Listen to the first 2 lines of "Loop de Loop" and you'll hear exactly the same squeaky, thin voice.

Er... the falsetto vocal on "ITSOTN" is indeed Brian.  Brian's falsetto has always had a certain quality, even at his lowest point.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 10, 2007, 01:21:01 AM
I know I'm coming very late into this thread, and maybe someone has since pointed this out, but:

4.   Chapel Of Love                    - Brian

Sorry, guys, but that's Al.

The gruff, 4-packs-a-day, I-hate-my-falsetto, main vocal ?  You're kidding, right ?  Alan couldn't sing like that ifn he had laryngitis.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 10, 2007, 01:23:21 AM
BTW, there's a song missing from the Knebworth credits. On the CD but not the DVD.  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Beach Boy on December 10, 2007, 01:38:37 AM
Happy Birthday - group vocal  :) 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 10, 2007, 03:53:22 AM
... with crowd.  8)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Beach Boy on December 10, 2007, 03:58:34 AM
... with crowd.  8)

So "Good Vibrations".  :) 

BTW It's interesting that Carl sings the 3rd verse on "Sloop John B", though I have recordings from 1980 where Brian sings it.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on December 10, 2007, 06:42:49 AM
I know I'm coming very late into this thread, and maybe someone has since pointed this out, but:

4.   Chapel Of Love                    - Brian

Sorry, guys, but that's Al.

Say wha?
That could not be more Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on December 10, 2007, 06:44:39 AM
I'm not sure if you would count this or not, but Brian originally sang "Girls, girls, girls, yeah I dig the girls" during California Girls at the concert. He was mixed out of the official DVD/CD release.

Not if it was mixed out...:)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: donutbandit on December 10, 2007, 11:33:58 AM
"That could not be more Brian."

Of course. Don't know where my brain was, but I was talking about the falsetto, not the lead. I don't even have a clue now where that was discussed to see who was creditied with the falsetto.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on December 10, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
That is Brian. Bruce couldn't have sung that high if he inhaled a feather duster. The only time he even came close was at the end of "Endless Harmony" and that was with a lot of of aural enhancement.

If you listen to him sing falsetto live, he can't even get as high as Al can.

Nonsense.  Ever hear the stuff he did with Bruce & Terry, e.g. "The Hamptons?"  The guy could hit stupid high notes.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 10, 2007, 11:56:15 PM
Primo evidence - the hidden track on The Best Of Bruce & Terry.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ian on December 11, 2007, 08:15:25 AM
Has Our Team been discussed?- a silly song, but I was always curious who sang all the parts- I know Al sang a big part-but Brian took a verse too or am I wrong?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 11, 2007, 09:44:09 AM
Best I can recall, Alan took the verses, and Brian the "with the girls in the stands/and all of our fans" bit. Think the chorus was mob-handed.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on December 17, 2007, 07:54:02 AM
I'll add some of those changes to Knebworth, but meanwhile, I need some help:

I own BB85 and Still Cruisin, but not a lot of other stuff from that time. Can some give me the info as regards vocals on Happy Endings, the original California Dreamin' and anything else recorded and OFFICIALLY released between 1981 and 1985?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Beach Boy on December 17, 2007, 10:01:50 AM
California Dreamin' and Happy Endings aren't from 1981-1985.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on December 17, 2007, 10:36:24 AM
California Dreamin' and Happy Endings aren't from 1981-1985.

"California Dremain'" is...:)  It was recorded in 1982, and officially released (by Radio Shack) in 1983.  It was remixed and partially rereorded for rerelase in '86, but I believe all the vocals are from the originall '82/'83 version.

"Happy Endings", on the other hand, was recorded & released in '87.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: donutbandit on December 17, 2007, 11:16:45 AM
Quote
Best I can recall, Alan took the verses, and Brian the "with the girls in the stands/and all of our fans" bit. Think the chorus was mob-handed.

Are you sure that's Brian? The voice sounds way too deep for Brian to me. My money's on Denny.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on December 17, 2007, 02:39:03 PM
Quote
Best I can recall, Alan took the verses, and Brian the "with the girls in the stands/and all of our fans" bit. Think the chorus was mob-handed.

Are you sure that's Brian? The voice sounds way too deep for Brian to me. My money's on Denny.

Its Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 17, 2007, 03:17:30 PM
Quote
Best I can recall, Alan took the verses, and Brian the "with the girls in the stands/and all of our fans" bit. Think the chorus was mob-handed.

Are you sure that's Brian? The voice sounds way too deep for Brian to me. My money's on Denny.

Small problem - Denny almost certainly never made the trip to MIU. Plus, the session footage makes it pretty clear it's Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on December 17, 2007, 03:55:24 PM
Quote
Best I can recall, Alan took the verses, and Brian the "with the girls in the stands/and all of our fans" bit. Think the chorus was mob-handed.

Are you sure that's Brian? The voice sounds way too deep for Brian to me. My money's on Denny.

Small problem - Denny almost certainly never made the trip to MIU. Plus, the session footage makes it pretty clear it's Brian.

I have it on good authority (actually multiple authorities) that Denny was at MIU, albeit very briefly.
Still, he did not sing on "Our Team".  In fact he may not have done much at all while he was there, except maybe remix "San Miguel" for possible inclusion.

If I remember right...CARL actually played the drums on "Our Team"...just thinking back to that unaired TV special/video, which I haven't watched for a couple of years...but I seem to recall that...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on December 17, 2007, 09:05:05 PM
California Dreamin' and Happy Endings aren't from 1981-1985.

"California Dremain'" is...:)  It was recorded in 1982, and officially released (by Radio Shack) in 1983.  It was remixed and partially rereorded for rerelase in '86, but I believe all the vocals are from the originall '82/'83 version.
Was Dennis included in this session?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on December 17, 2007, 10:53:57 PM
It's doubtful but I think Brian was there.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 02:13:56 AM
Dennis wasn't, and neither was Brian, according to Bruce, although I've seen it stated elsewhere that he was. October 1982, I recall.

The difference in leads is that in 1982 the verse vocals were 1- Alan/2 - Carl/3 - Mike, whereas in 1986 they flew in Alan's first verse for the third as well.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 04:22:04 AM
New material released between KTSA and The Beach Boys credited to The Beach Boys on the label are:

  7/81 - The Beach Boys Medley 45
  9/81 - Brian Wilson/Beach Boys Rarities (Australia - includes "What I Say" live)
10/81 - Ten Years Of Harmony (includes "Sea Cruise" & "San Miguel")
  3/83 - Rock & Roll City (includes "California Dreamin' version 1)
  8/83 - Rarities
  4/84 - Up The Creek (includes "Chasin' the Sky")
  9/84 - East Meets West 45


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on December 18, 2007, 04:53:28 AM
Dennis wasn't, and neither was Brian, according to Bruce, although I've seen it stated elsewhere that he was. October 1982, I recall.

The difference in leads is that in 1982 the verse vocals were 1- Alan/2 - Carl/3 - Mike, whereas in 1986 they flew in Alan's first verse for the third as well.

It was early May 1982 at Rumbo Recorders.  The report in "Add Some Music" said "The track, recorded with session musicians, featured the entire Beach Boy vocal ensemble - including Carl and Brian".  They pointed out Carl's presence because he'd just returned to the band.  Personally, I prefer the '82 version myself.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on December 18, 2007, 04:57:17 AM
New material released between KTSA and The Beach Boys credited to The Beach Boys on the label are:

  7/81 - The Beach Boys Medley 45
  9/81 - Brian Wilson/Beach Boys Rarities (Australia - includes "What I Say" live)
10/81 - Ten Years Of Harmony (includes "Sea Cruise" & "San Miguel")
  3/83 - Rock & Roll City (includes "California Dreamin' version 1)
  8/83 - Rarities
  4/84 - Up The Creek (includes "Chasin' the Sky")
  9/84 - East Meets West 45

There was also a version by Julio Inglesias of "The Air That I Breathe" with the Beach Boys guesting on backing vocals, released on one of his albums in late '84.  The main thing I remember about this was a  photo in Rolling Stone of Julio and the Boys (including Brian), wearing headphones and holding a surboard in the studio.  Probably one of the last things you'd ever expect to see in life.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 04:58:19 AM
I would assume 'vocal ensemble' excludes Dennis at that point in time.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on December 18, 2007, 05:00:27 AM
I would assume 'vocal ensemble' excludes Dennis at that point in time.

My thoughts exactly.  By '82, the poor guy could barely speak, let alone sing.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 05:00:43 AM
New material released between KTSA and The Beach Boys credited to The Beach Boys on the label are:

  7/81 - The Beach Boys Medley 45
  9/81 - Brian Wilson/Beach Boys Rarities (Australia - includes "What I Say" live)
10/81 - Ten Years Of Harmony (includes "Sea Cruise" & "San Miguel")
  3/83 - Rock & Roll City (includes "California Dreamin' version 1)
  8/83 - Rarities
  4/84 - Up The Creek (includes "Chasin' the Sky")
  9/84 - East Meets West 45

There was also a version by Julio Inglesias of "The Air That I Breathe" with the Beach Boys guesting on backing vocals, released on one of his albums in late '84.  The main thing I remember about this was a  photo in Rolling Stone of Julio and the Boys (including Brian), wearing headphones and holding a surboard in the studio.  Probably one of the last things you'd ever expect to see in life.

There are several BB guest appearences at this time, hence my stipulation "credited to The Beach Boys on the label". We're talking BB releases here.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on December 18, 2007, 05:08:17 AM
New material released between KTSA and The Beach Boys credited to The Beach Boys on the label are:

  7/81 - The Beach Boys Medley 45
  9/81 - Brian Wilson/Beach Boys Rarities (Australia - includes "What I Say" live)
10/81 - Ten Years Of Harmony (includes "Sea Cruise" & "San Miguel")
  3/83 - Rock & Roll City (includes "California Dreamin' version 1)
  8/83 - Rarities
  4/84 - Up The Creek (includes "Chasin' the Sky")
  9/84 - East Meets West 45

There was also a version by Julio Inglesias of "The Air That I Breathe" with the Beach Boys guesting on backing vocals, released on one of his albums in late '84.  The main thing I remember about this was a  photo in Rolling Stone of Julio and the Boys (including Brian), wearing headphones and holding a surboard in the studio.  Probably one of the last things you'd ever expect to see in life.

There are several BB guest appearences at this time, hence my stipulation "credited to The Beach Boys on the label". We're talking BB releases here.

Yeah I realize that, but still felt the obligation to point out the Inglesias appearance, for sheer shock value if nothing else (assuming some of the newer readers were unaware of it). 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 05:08:32 AM
The report in "Add Some Music" said "The track, recorded with session musicians, featured the entire Beach Boy vocal ensemble - including Carl and Brian". 

Yeah, that is confusing because a few years ago I asked Bruce if a certain high part of the chorus was Brian and he was adamant that Brian wasn't at the session.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on December 18, 2007, 05:13:35 AM
The report in "Add Some Music" said "The track, recorded with session musicians, featured the entire Beach Boy vocal ensemble - including Carl and Brian". 

Yeah, that is confusing because a few years ago I asked Bruce if a certain high part of the chorus was Brian and he was adamant that Brian wasn't at the session.

Did he say who did that high part?  I wonder if Foskett was there...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 06:05:54 AM
Bullseye.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on December 18, 2007, 06:44:27 AM
The report in "Add Some Music" said "The track, recorded with session musicians, featured the entire Beach Boy vocal ensemble - including Carl and Brian". 

Yeah, that is confusing because a few years ago I asked Bruce if a certain high part of the chorus was Brian and he was adamant that Brian wasn't at the session.

That's funny, because for years I could have sworn that I could hear Brian in the choruses... I also remember reading at least twice (different sources) that Brian was involved indeed. And then Brian said he hadn't been involved in California Dreamin' (in the WOTS podcast). So what's the final word on this one? Did Brian sing on it or not?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 07:34:38 AM
Well, fwiw, Bruce, who was there, says not. Brian says he wasn't there but that has to be taken in context, and in 1982 I think he'd have had a hard time telling you what planet he was on. I'd lean towards not, but will readily revise my stance if definitive evidence is forthcoming.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on December 18, 2007, 07:39:35 AM
Right, so we have California Dreamin', Chasin' The Sky and East Meets West then. Can anyone give me the full info on those please? Thanks.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 08:50:20 AM
California Dreamin' #1 - 1st verse - Mike/2nd verse - Carl/3rd verse - Alan (yes, I got it wrong earlier)

note on choruses - "California dreamin'" - Alan

East Meets West - easiest way to do it is this:

[?Mike]East meets west, different drummers side by side
When east meets west, [Alan]the best of both survive

[Carl]From the nights in Hollywood, [Frankie]to the lights on Broadway
Some said we never could ever cross that line

I remember hanging out in sixty-two
Down at the diner scorin' all the time
[Mike]When out in California where the surf was up
[both]You had a woodie and the girls would stand in line
We were the kings of the things we liked to do
A game of rivalry comparing me and you, me and you

[Frankie]Drivin' down the Jersey shore, [Carl]riding 'round La Jolla
[both]Top Forty evermore on the radio
[Alan]Got the rhythm of the breakers in my blood
I take it with me everywhere I go
[Frankie]I need to feel the inner city energy
Can't do without it it's the only way I know
There's no goodbye to all the ties that bind us to
The way we'll always be, me and you, me and you

[Brian] Two different drummers playing side by side
You know the best of bets will survive

That's how it sound to my ears from a clean 45, but I know bits are debatable. BTW, gotta love any song that has the like "you had a woody".  :o

Chasin' The Sky - Carl (Mike - prominent bass vocal)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on December 18, 2007, 09:56:00 AM
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Well, fwiw, Bruce, who was there, says not. Brian says he wasn't there but that has to be taken in context, and in 1982 I think he'd have had a hard time telling you what planet he was on. I'd lean towards not, but will readily revise my stance if definitive evidence is forthcoming.

That high part where the lyrics go "I went for a walk" right after  the sax break (in the 1986 version) sounds a hell of a lot like Brian....but if that part was recorded in 1982, then there's no way in hell that COULD have been Brian, as that sounds more like him around the mid-80s than in 82. So yeah, I'd put my money on it being Foskett.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on December 18, 2007, 04:51:41 PM
If you are going by the 1986 version Brian may have overdubbed a few parts. I remember reading The Wilson Project book which is Gary Usher's diary's of the period and Brian told him he didn't have "much" to do with it. So taht tells me he did something in 1982 or 86.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: donutbandit on December 18, 2007, 07:04:47 PM
East Meets West - that's a toughie, because of the (intentional?) relative poor quality of the mix. I've always felt the mix was rather low fidelity to keep the Beach Boys from showing up Valli on vocals. It was primarily a 4 Seasons record with the Boys as guests.

I don't hear Mike anywhere in this song except for the low notes. Parts you have ascribed to Mike, I hear as Valli.

It's pretty hard to tell Al from Frankie at any point, except that Frankie has a bit of a whine in his voice that Alan doesn't.

Good job on spotting Brian - I hadn't heard him in this before.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: donutbandit on December 18, 2007, 07:15:22 PM
Bit of a funny note - originally, I did not realize California Dreamin' was the Beach Boys. I'd heard it on the radio a few times, and thought "I like the way these kids sound!" LOL!

About the third time I heard it, I heard Carl, and was flabbergasted. A fan since 1965, and they fooled me.  A sardonic DJ on my local station remarked, "just goes to show - a good song is a good song, no matter who records it."

First stanza - Alan (hard to tell from Bruce, but "wuz" is a giveaway.)
Second - Carl
Third - Alan


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 18, 2007, 07:33:54 PM
Re "California Dreamin", I was always curious why they left out the line "if I didn't tell her, I could leave today", and repeated the line "I'd be safe and warm, if I was in L.A.".

Did it have to do with trying to associate the group with L.A./California/warm/etc as much as they could?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Glenn Greenberg on December 18, 2007, 08:55:01 PM

My thoughts exactly.  By '82, the poor guy could barely speak, let alone sing.


Really?  No exaggeration?

Wow...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 08:58:11 PM

First stanza - Alan (hard to tell from Bruce, but "wuz" is a giveaway.)

The 1986 revision, yes, but the original recording is clearly Mike.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on December 18, 2007, 09:00:28 PM

My thoughts exactly.  By '82, the poor guy could barely speak, let alone sing.


Really?  No exaggeration?

Wow...
Have you heard Dennis sing "You Are So Beautiful" from the American Band video?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Glenn Greenberg on December 18, 2007, 09:10:50 PM

My thoughts exactly.  By '82, the poor guy could barely speak, let alone sing.


Really?  No exaggeration?

Wow...
Have you heard Dennis sing "You Are So Beautiful" from the American Band video?


Yeah, actually I have.  But I thought that was just a one-time thing, that maybe he was "off" that day or just hoarse.  Didn't realize it was a permanent thing.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on December 18, 2007, 09:22:16 PM
The story goes that Dennis was punched in the throat, and it ruined his vocal chords. You'e got to love that fact that Dennis would still try to sing though. Think about how it would feel to be punched in the throat hard enough to affect your voice. Ouch. It had to have hurt like hell for him to even TRY to sing. But the fact that he would still do it for his audience, says a lot about his charactor.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Glenn Greenberg on December 18, 2007, 09:38:54 PM
The story goes that Dennis was punched in the throat, and it ruined his vocal chords. You'e got to love that fact that Dennis would still try to sing though. Think about how it would feel to be punched in the throat hard enough to affect your voice. Ouch. It had to have hurt like hell for him to even TRY to sing. But the fact that he would still do it for his audience, says a lot about his charactor.


Hmmmm... was it Stan Love and Rocky Pamplin who allegedly did the punching?  I read about that incident.

I also read about Dennis walking in on his last wife, Shawn, sleeping in bed with two of her male friends, and he threw a fit, and the two guys beat him up.

Geez, when you take all this into account, it apparently could have been ANYONE, at ANYTIME, who did it to the poor guy.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on December 19, 2007, 04:35:01 AM
It happened in 1974 too which is why he sounds so different after that. Steve Love apparently did it that time.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Smilin Ed H on December 19, 2007, 04:43:40 AM
Wasn't it Steve who thumped Blondie too?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Mr. Wilson on December 19, 2007, 04:12:03 PM
Love clan has alot of anger issues...!!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on December 20, 2007, 07:38:30 AM
Thanks for the info, AGD.
Beach Boys '85, soon. Christmas is pretty hectic...!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on December 20, 2007, 08:28:49 AM
I can't wait till all these get done so I can edit the info into my BB mp3's. Too cool.  :hat


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 20, 2007, 09:18:52 AM
It happened in 1974 too which is why he sounds so different after that. Steve Love apparently did it that time.

There are two different incidents. The Stan Love/Pamplin beating came in '81 and that one was very severe. The earlier incident in '74 was just a stray blow from Steve Love that messed up his wind pipe. Although DW has told this several different ways.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 20, 2007, 01:48:53 PM
Why did Rocky Pamplin and Stan Love Love punch out Dennis? What was the outcome when Dennis filed charges against them?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on January 05, 2008, 07:26:12 AM
Thanks again to AGD for the East meets West close-up.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on January 05, 2008, 07:42:13 AM
Isn't Brian in the chorus echoing the "California Callin'" refrain on that track?  Worth an asterisk?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on January 05, 2008, 08:25:11 AM
1.    Getcha Back                            - Mike, with Brian on the choruses / fade counter-melody

I remember that in an earlier topic on this board someone claimed that the falsetto on Getcha Back wasn't Brian but someone else, maybe Jeff Foskett. Anyone know if that could be true?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on January 05, 2008, 08:28:25 AM
Why did Rocky Pamplin and Stan Love Love punch out Dennis? What was the outcome when Dennis filed charges against them?

'Cause they were high on Super Bowl Sunday and decided to go "get him" for contibuting to Brian's problems by supplying him with drugs (note the irony).  According to the Gaines book, Carolyn Williams (Brian's live-in nurse/girlfriend) and Janet Lent-Coop (who worked for the Beach Boys/Brother Records) called Stanley and told him that Brian was in terrible condition and "needed somebody to protect him from Dennis".  This was their way of doing that.  

According to Gaines, Stan was fined $750 and Rocky $250.  Stan claimed his legal fees and airfare back & forth from Hawaii, where he was staying, amounted to $10,000.  They were both placed on six months probation.    


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on January 05, 2008, 08:29:32 AM
1.    Getcha Back                            - Mike, with Brian on the choruses / fade counter-melody

I remember that in an earlier topic on this board someone claimed that the falsetto on Getcha Back wasn't Brian but someone else, maybe Jeff Foskett. Anyone know if that could be true?

It's Brian.  No doubt about it.  Foskett reportedly sings on about half the album, but that falsetto is BW.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 05, 2008, 02:47:25 PM
Re:  "I Do Love You" -- I've often maintained that this is one of Al's finest vocals.  Yes, I know Carl sings the bulk of it, but he fairly channels Stevie on the choruses and there's some amazing Stevie-like bits on the fade out ("baby..."  "uurrrghhh...").  But the last time I listened, I found myself listening to the stuff on the fade and I wondered if that wasn't Stevie himself.  It's certainly some remarkable soul singing from Al if not (and it may well have been just copying what was on the demo) but it could just be stuff from the demo they left in.  Something similar happened on "On and On", an Elton-Gladys Knight duet from his uneven DUETS album.  Stevie produced the track and he has some scatting at the end.  He's done that on other stuff he's done for other artists, too.

Everyone give the fade out a listen...it's possible Stevie deserves a cameo lead vocal credit if it's him and not Al on the fade out.  If it's Al, I think he deserves major kudos.  I love the vocals on this song.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 05, 2008, 03:04:58 PM
Re:  "I Do Love You" -- I've often maintained that this is one of Al's finest vocals.  Yes, I know Carl sings the bulk of it, but he fairly channels Stevie on the choruses and there's some amazing Stevie-like bits on the fade out ("baby..."  "uurrrghhh...").  But the last time I listened, I found myself listening to the stuff on the fade and I wondered if that wasn't Stevie himself.  It's certainly some remarkable soul singing from Al if not (and it may well have been just copying what was on the demo) but it could just be stuff from the demo they left in.  Something similar happened on "On and On", an Elton-Gladys Knight duet from his uneven DUETS album.  Stevie produced the track and he has some scatting at the end.  He's done that on other stuff he's done for other artists, too.

Everyone give the fade out a listen...it's possible Stevie deserves a cameo lead vocal credit if it's him and not Al on the fade out.  If it's Al, I think he deserves major kudos.  I love the vocals on this song.

That's Stevie.  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on January 05, 2008, 05:09:07 PM
I noticed Stevie myself the first time I played it in 88 or 89. Sounds much more like a Wonder record then a Beach Boys one. Whereas I Was Made To Love Her sounds like the Beach Boys fresh take of a Wonder song.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on January 05, 2008, 06:20:38 PM
Oh yeah, Stevie for sure, noticed it right away, even though he was only credited with instrumentation. 

On the subject, I remember hearing a radio special on this album back in '85...Carl said he pretty much copied Stevie's vocal delivery from the demo. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 05, 2008, 06:24:36 PM
Stevie it is then!  I didn't listen that closely, obviously.  So shall we add him then?

Regardless, kudos to Carl and Al for that one, IMHO.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on January 07, 2008, 08:45:44 AM
Added him, unless anyone thinks he deserves a "with..." credit in the main body of the post. At the moment, he's a footnote.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on January 08, 2008, 07:54:32 AM
It's a very small part, so I would vote for just a mention for Stevie rather than "with".

There's also Carl on "Male ego". What about a prominent backround or even more?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: No. Fourteen on January 08, 2008, 09:57:32 AM
Isn't Brian in the chorus echoing the "California Callin'" refrain on that track?  Worth an asterisk?

As in...

California callin'   (Brian: California calling!)
I'll be there right away    (Brian: California calling!)
There's some beautiful women....(etc.)



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RONDEMON on January 08, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
I Do Love You is by far the best song on 85, and probably Stevie's best song of the 80's (where, IMO he lost some of his talent).
Lots of really lush chords, and that complete departure from the verse where Al sings the the chorus.
Great, great song, but so underrated.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 08, 2008, 01:27:08 PM
[koff] "Where I Belong" [koff]


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on January 09, 2008, 12:32:08 AM
Isn't Brian in the chorus echoing the "California Callin'" refrain on that track?  Worth an asterisk?

As in...

California callin'   (Brian: California calling!)
I'll be there right away    (Brian: California calling!)
There's some beautiful women....(etc.)



Definitely Brian. I agree.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on January 09, 2008, 12:48:50 AM
I hope it's OK to talk about the Smiley Smile and Wild Honey albums, because there seem to be some unfinished and difficult credits there. I've come up with the following for "Let the wind blow" (by listening to the "Hawthorne, CA" version since it's clearer):

Mike: Let the wind blow
Bruce: (higher part) and Carl (lower part): (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)
Alan: Let the grass grow
Bruce and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)
Brian: But don’t let her go
Bruce and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)

Brian (+Alan): Don’t take her out of my life
Don’t take her out of my life

Carl: (No-oh-oh)

Mike: Let the moon glow
Carl: (Let the moon glow oh-oh-oh)
Mike: On the fallen snow
Carl: (Let the moon glow on the fallen snow)
Brian: But I just got to know
Carl: (Let me please know oh-oh-oh)

Brian: Know she’ll be a part of my life
Know she’ll be a part of my life forever

Bruce and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)

Carl and Alan: Let the bees make honey
Let the poor find money
Take away their sorrows
Give them sunshine tomorrow

Brian: But don’t take her out of my life
Carl (lower part) and Brian (higher part): Don’t take her out of my life
Bruce: What would I do without her tell me now?

Mike: Let the birds sing
Bruce and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)
Mike: With the coming spring
Bruce and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)
Brian: Let the church bells ring
Bruce and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)

Bruce (higher part) and Alan (lower part): Let the rain fall
Carl: Let the grass grow
Brian: Let the moon glow
Carl: On the fallen snow

Brian: But don’t take her out of my life
Bruce and Carl: Please keep her a part of my life
Bruce and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)

What do people think? I'm not absolutely sure about Al's presence, but "Let the grass grow" sounds more like him than Brian or Carl. Likewise I'm not sure if Bruce really sings those falsetto "Ooh"s, or Carl on the lower ones, but the whole thing makes a kind of sense the way I've suggested. I put a (+Alan) where he seems to be in the background. The "bees make honey" bit sounds like Carl and Alan to me, with Alan more audible at the beginning of lines and Carl at the end of lines.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: smile-holland on January 09, 2008, 01:29:24 AM
[koff] "Where I Belong" [koff]

totally agree with that, absolutely no doubt that this is my favorite BB85 track!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on January 09, 2008, 04:28:44 AM
I'm partial to Getcha Back myself.

Bruce didn't have a prominent part on Let The Wind Blow I don't think. The "What Would I Do Without Her" line is Brian and the high parts are probably him too. I do think the "Bees Make Honey" line could be Carl and Al like you suggested, but Brian is in there too. Why I knmow is the issolated vocal played during the otherwise dredfull 2000 TV movie.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on January 09, 2008, 08:57:28 AM
I'm partial to Getcha Back myself.

Bruce didn't have a prominent part on Let The Wind Blow I don't think. The "What Would I Do Without Her" line is Brian and the high parts are probably him too. I do think the "Bees Make Honey" line could be Carl and Al like you suggested, but Brian is in there too. Why I knmow is the issolated vocal played during the otherwise dredfull 2000 TV movie.

Thanks, MBE. Do you mean you know only that the "Bees make honey" section includes Brian from the TV movie, or do you also know the "What would I do without her" is Brian from the same source? What exactly does the source reveal?

In any case I can hear now that you're right about the "What would I do without her" line: it definitely includes Brian, but I still think it may be Bruce as well. Overall it seems an unusual timbre and accent for a Brian vocal, and the left channel sounds more like Bruce whereas the right sounds more like Brian to me now.

I can't really hear Brian in the "Bees" section except possibly on  the "to-" of "to-morrow". The "Please keep her a part of my life" is definitely Carl and someone else, and that someone sounds more like Bruce to me but I don't know: it could be Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on January 09, 2008, 10:07:08 PM
I know the what would I do without her from my own ears but the TV movie mixed the song in such a way where only Brian's voice could be heard (as he is playing it alone) and he is on this mix clearly singing those lines.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 10, 2008, 01:56:00 AM
FWIW, here's my take - essentially, I've changed all the Bruce's to Brian's and a couple of Brian's to Carl's... oh and an Alan to a Mike:

Mike: Let the wind blow
Brian: (higher part) and Carl (lower part): (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)
Mike: Let the grass grow
Brian and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)
Brian: But don’t let her go
Brian and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)

Carl (+Alan): Don’t take her out of my life
Don’t take her out of my life

Carl: (No-oh-oh)

Mike: Let the moon glow
Carl: (Let the moon glow oh-oh-oh)
Mike: On the fallen snow
Carl: (Let the moon glow on the fallen snow)
Brian: But I just got to know
Carl: (Let me please know oh-oh-oh)

Carl: Know she’ll be a part of my life
Know she’ll be a part of my life forever

Brian and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)

Carl and Alan: Let the bees make honey
Let the poor find money
Take away their sorrows
Give them sunshine tomorrow

Brian: But don’t take her out of my life
Carl (lower part) and Brian (higher part): Don’t take her out of my life
Brian: What would I do without her tell me now?

Mike: Let the birds sing
Brian and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)
Mike: With the coming spring
Brian and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)
Brian: Let the church bells ring
Brian and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)

Brian (higher part) and Alan (lower part): Let the rain fall
Carl: Let the grass grow
Brian: Let the moon glow
Carl: On the fallen snow

Brian: But don’t take her out of my life
Brian and Carl: Please keep her a part of my life
Brian and Carl: (Ooh-Ooh-Ooh)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on January 10, 2008, 05:11:58 AM
Thanks very much, AGD.

I'm amazed. Listening to it again I see you're right that it is Carl rather than Brian on the early "Don't take her out of my life" and "Know she'll be a part of my life" sections. Now I know why I always thought it was Brian rather than Carl on the "Bees" section until recently: because the sections were both by the same person. I also notice that the first "Don't take her" section is not "Carl (+Alan)", it is "Carl and Alan"-they are both prominent.

However, "Let the grass grow" is not Mike (though it makes sense for Mike to sing it). It could just about be Brian, but going by a (nearly) infallible rule (which is illustrated neatly with that Carl sung "Don't take her" section), Brian always sounds clearly like Brian. Therefore it is Al... I think!

OK, the Bruce bits could all be Brian, I don't know. Perhaps the Bruce-type sound on "What would I do wihout her" comes from double-tracking, but I still hear him in there somewhere. Also, if he is not in there, I wonder if the last line of the song might be Al and Carl. Al would have sung a good falsetto there I reckon.

I know the what would I do without her from my own ears but the TV movie mixed the song in such a way where only Brian's voice could be heard (as he is playing it alone) and he is on this mix clearly singing those lines.

Thanks. I can't hear him though on the "Bees" section. I wonder if the master tape has Brian vocals and perhaps other vocals that were left out of the released version but might have been played in the movie?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on January 10, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
It sounded less processed in the movie, so you could hear who was singing easier. The singing style he used matches his lead on Here Comes The Night. I would go as far as to say that's Carl and Brian with the Carl part mixed out. Somebody please post it to youtube :3d


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on January 15, 2008, 01:26:44 AM
These are some attempts at Smiley Smile and Wild Honey tracks:

"A thing or two": Bruce sings "I'm gonna tell that little girl a thing or two". I have no doubt that  this is a Bruce vocal (unlike in "Let the wind blow").

"She's goin' bald": Carl sings the first line.

"Country air": Mike does the humming on the verses. The falsetto bits I think are Brian but I can't easily tell.

"Wind chimes": "Close your eyes and lean back, listen to wind chimes" is Bruce I think, although it does sound in part similar to Dennis.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on January 15, 2008, 01:43:47 AM
I think you are correct on this stuff.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on January 15, 2008, 04:56:10 AM
These are some attempts at Smiley Smile and Wild Honey tracks:

"A thing or two": Bruce sings "I'm gonna tell that little girl a thing or two". I have no doubt that  this is a Bruce vocal (unlike in "Let the wind blow").

"She's goin' bald": Carl sings the first line.

"Country air": Mike does the humming on the verses. The falsetto bits I think are Brian but I can't easily tell.

"Wind chimes": "Close your eyes and lean back, listen to wind chimes" is Bruce I think, although it does sound in part similar to Dennis.



I don't thiknk Bruce is on the Smiley version of "Wind Chimes".  From memory, the line you're talking about is Brian (or maybe Mike...I'd have to listen again), while Dennis sings a very recognizable line or two.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: smile-holland on January 15, 2008, 05:12:26 AM
Reading this it got me thinking about Bruce's role in the whole SMiLE / Smiley Smile project, which as far as I know was near zero to nothing at all. Was he present at all during those sessions? I mean, we know he is on Summer Days (for instance Calif.Girls) / Party / Pet Sounds (God Only Knows particularly). So what caused this him clearly being absent suddenly. Was it the drugs-thing? Or simply not really being part of the "family"? Or both? Just curious...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Roger Ryan on January 15, 2008, 07:25:32 AM
Reading this it got me thinking about Bruce's role in the whole SMiLE / Smiley Smile project, which as far as I know was near zero to nothing at all. Was he present at all during those sessions? I mean, we know he is on Summer Days (for instance Calif.Girls) / Party / Pet Sounds (God Only Knows particularly). So what caused this him clearly being absent suddenly. Was it the drugs-thing? Or simply not really being part of the "family"? Or both? Just curious...

Was it because Bruce was heavily involved in the Saggitarius album at the time? Among the many things that freaked Brian out during this period was the idea that Usher/Boettcher were ripping off his SMiLE experiments; maybe he thought Bruce was a spy and kept him out of the sessions!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on January 15, 2008, 09:20:27 AM
"Wind chimes": "Close your eyes and lean back, listen to wind chimes" is Bruce I think, although it does sound in part similar to Dennis.



Sorry, but I don't see it. It is Dennis, before his voice became too raspy. The others I'll have to go back and recheck. We did go over them quite painstakingly though.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on January 15, 2008, 09:26:25 AM
Now, I don't whether or not this is something to be ashamed of, but my BBs collection stops at 85. I have Still Cruisin' on vinyl, but no vinyl player.

Can someone give me the info on:

Happy Ending
Rock and Roll To The Rescue
Make It Big
Still Cruisin'
In My Car


And anything else from the 1986 to 1990 period - I'm confident about Kokomo, California Dreamin', Somewhere Near Japan and Island Girl. Thanks. I don't need line-by-line breakdowns, unless it's totally necessary, just the way I've been doing it lo these many months. AGD?

Thanks.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 15, 2008, 09:43:35 AM
In My Car - Lead vocals: Brian on verses, Carl on first chorus, Al on the other choruses


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on January 15, 2008, 10:16:04 AM
"Wind chimes": "Close your eyes and lean back, listen to wind chimes" is Bruce I think, although it does sound in part similar to Dennis.



Sorry, but I don't see it. It is Dennis, before his voice became too raspy. The others I'll have to go back and recheck. We did go over them quite painstakingly though.

I admit the "Listen to wind chimes" bit sounds rather like Dennis, but why then does the voice seem to be a higher pitched one than Dennis' voice? If you compare it with Dennis' "hung up on wind chimes" you notice that Dennis' voice was deeper. But in terms of accent I think Bruce and Dennis could sound similar (to me anyway).



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on January 15, 2008, 11:41:14 AM
I'm sorry that I can't help with the post-'85 vocal credits. That's where my Beach Boys collection stops too. I might have a look for the last two albums, though from what I'm hearing I'm expecting the main good thing to be the singing.

Re: Bruce and Smile/Smiley Smile: I would have thought he would have sang in the group vocals as he was a full member by then, or is it that he was elsewhere?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 15, 2008, 02:44:12 PM
Now, I don't whether or not this is something to be ashamed of, but my BBs collection stops at 85. I have Still Cruisin' on vinyl, but no vinyl player.

Can someone give me the info on:

Happy Ending
Rock and Roll To The Rescue
Make It Big
Still Cruisin'
In My Car


And anything else from the 1986 to 1990 period - I'm confident about Kokomo, California Dreamin', Somewhere Near Japan and Island Girl. Thanks. I don't need line-by-line breakdowns, unless it's totally necessary, just the way I've been doing it lo these many months. AGD?

Thanks.


"Rescue" needs a line-by-line for sure. I'll do them as best i can by the weekend.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on January 15, 2008, 10:08:37 PM
I'm sorry that I can't help with the post-'85 vocal credits. That's where my Beach Boys collection stops too. I might have a look for the last two albums, though from what I'm hearing I'm expecting the main good thing to be the singing.

Re: Bruce and Smile/Smiley Smile: I would have thought he would have sang in the group vocals as he was a full member by then, or is it that he was elsewhere?

Bruce was barely at Smiley, and missed a number of sessions for Wild Honey and Friends too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 16, 2008, 12:43:17 AM
Rock & Roll To The Rescue

[Group, but might be considered as a Carl "lead"]
Gotta get a ticket cause i really gotta go
There's a party goin' down at the rock'n'roll show
Baby get ready if you really wanna go
Now everybody's goin' to the rock'n'roll show

[Brian]
I saw some surfer girls in west L.A.
And right away it got me thinkin' 'bout my high school days
Well i was always kinda shy you know i never learned to dance
And i remember bein' nervous i was scared to take a chance
And it happened it was lookin' through my mamma's things...
I found some rock and roll records and i learned to sing!

[Group]
Rock'n'roll to the rescue
Rock'n'roll's gonna get you
Rock to the rescue

[Mike]

I said it rescued me
And it'll rescue you

[Al]
Now believe it when i tell ya that i never felt alive
Not 'til the night i started rockin' to my mamma's 45's
Well it was one for the money now and two for the show

[Carl]
And you'd better get a'ready now and go cat go!

[Brian]
Yeah the long tall Sally got me boppin' 'round the room
She's singin' bop wadda loo bop a-whop bam boom

[Group]
Rock'n'roll to the rescue
Rock'n'roll's gonna get you
Rock to the rescue

[Mike]
I said it rescued me
And it'll rescue you

[Brian]
So we got a band together now we're really quite the rage

[Brian with prominent Carl harmony]
And i lose my inhibitions when i move across the stage

[Brian]
We're the hottest ticket goin' what a fantasy flight

[Brian with prominent Carl harmony]
They tell me fifty thousand people come to see us every night

[Group]
Rock'n'roll to the rescue
Rock'n'roll's gonna get you
Rock to the rescue

[Mike]
I said it rescued me
And it'll rescue you
I said it rescued me

[Group, but might be considered as a Carl "lead"]
Gotta get a ticket cause i really gotta go
There's a party goin' down at the rock'n'roll show
Baby get ready if you really wanna go
Now everybody's goin' to the rock'n'roll show


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 16, 2008, 11:27:10 AM
Substitute Alan for Mike, and you've nailed it.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 16, 2008, 11:47:30 AM
Really? I have sworn for 22 years that was  Brian with "I said it rescued me  and it'll rescue you" line...
Also, Mike is there with "Hey Now, Hey Now" duuring the verses


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 16, 2008, 12:43:36 PM
if you've ever heard the percadella mix, you'll nkow Mike does a great bass part too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 16, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
Substitute Alan for Mike, and you've nailed it.


I was hesitating between Mike and Al on that one. But I've just listened closely to the percadella mix (which I hadn't thought about before your remark about it) and it almost sounds like there are two different voices... I'm wondering if Mike and Al sang that part together!

Because when you hear Al's verse just after it, you feel like "this can't be the same guy". There's something different in the litigious part, a "nasal" thing that sounds like Mike to me. Al is definitely there, but either he forced himself into sounding unnatural or Mike was singing with him.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 16, 2008, 01:21:42 PM
I just don't hear Mike there at all.  Only on the bass part ("hey now").  Why don't we just look at the Solid Gold clip from '86...whoever sang that part would be synching it on the show, right?  My $ is on Brian...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 16, 2008, 05:58:09 PM
Wait a minute here...the "rescue me, rescue you" part...I believe that's Brian, isn't it?  I don't think Mike sings lead anywhere on this song, ironically enough.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on January 16, 2008, 06:03:40 PM
I think one of the "rescue me, rescue you" parts is Alan, somewhere in the middle of the song.  I always thought the others were Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 16, 2008, 09:04:29 PM
Nope - all Alan.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Guy on January 17, 2008, 06:47:24 AM
Can someone give me the info on:

Happy Ending
Rock and Roll To The Rescue
Make It Big
Still Cruisin'
In My Car

Still cruisin'                         - Mike and Carl *1
Make it big                         - Carl and Mike *2
In my car                           - Brian (verses and bridge), Carl (choruses, except;) Alan (second chorus)

*1 response vocals on chorus by Bruce and Alan
*2 response vocal on chorus by Bruce

I don't have Happy endings, unfortunately.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 17, 2008, 07:55:24 AM
Nope - all Alan.

OK. I have never been one to argue with the esteemed Mr. Doe ( and I mean esteemed, no sarcasm there), but "resuce me...rescue you" is Brian.  Sounds exactly like his vocal on the verses.  In addition, watching the band "perform" this on Solid Gold in '86 and watching the video (both on youtube) it is Brian "singing" those lines, not Alan not Mike not anybody else.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 17, 2008, 09:50:41 AM
Nope - all Alan.

OK. I have never been one to argue with the esteemed Mr. Doe ( and I mean esteemed, no sarcasm there), but "resuce me...rescue you" is Brian.  Sounds exactly like his vocal on the verses.  In addition, watching the band "perform" this on Solid Gold in '86 and watching the video (both on youtube) it is Brian "singing" those lines, not Alan not Mike not anybody else.

Now that you mention it, the strange "Mike + Al" blend I was hearing might as well be the 1986 Brian! A couple of listens with this idea in mind made me realize that it certainly wasn't Mike, that it doesn't sound like Al, and that it's remarkably close to Brian's vocals on some parts of the verses. Plus, there's the "lipsynch" thing.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: CosmicDancer on January 17, 2008, 11:42:04 AM
I was also always convinced that it was Brian on that part of RARTTR, but I tend to believe what Andrew says on such matters.  Can you post a link to the Solid Gold performance?  I searched and couldn't find it. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 17, 2008, 11:48:31 AM
I was also always convinced that it was Brian on that part of RARTTR, but I tend to believe what Andrew says on such matters.  Can you post a link to the Solid Gold performance?  I searched and couldn't find it. 
youtube.com/watch?v=suQ2cDxsxFE.  If the link doesn't work, search you tube for Beach Boys medley.  You have to sit through the medley first, then RRTTR is performed


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on January 17, 2008, 12:43:05 PM
If it's a lipsynch, it doesn't matter who's singing what. Brian lipsynched a few lines in the Somewhere Near Japan video, but he didn't sing on that song.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 17, 2008, 12:52:13 PM
If it's a lipsynch, it doesn't matter who's singing what. Brian lipsynched a few lines in the Somewhere Near Japan video, but he didn't sing on that song.

Agreed.  The lipsynch itself is not conclusive, but is strong circumstantial evidence.  Especially true because Brian's synch is present twice, once on Solid Gold and again in the actual music video (which was not taken from the show).   Why would the group decide to have Brian "synch" Al's vocal, esp. when Brian was SO BAD AT IT? Doesn't make sense.  As for the Somewhere Near Japan reference, Brian was synching to a group vocal, not someone's else's lead


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: CosmicDancer on January 18, 2008, 07:07:29 AM
I listened to Rock and Roll to the Rescue last night and paid particularly close attention to the part in question and I can hear slightly in some of the phrasing that it could very well be Al!!  It does sound remarkably like Brian, but I think I have just become a believer.  It is a tone of voice that I have never before or since heard Al use.  Very interesting!  So sorry I ever questioned you Andrew!!!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 18, 2008, 07:54:00 AM
As for the Somewhere Near Japan reference, Brian was synching to a group vocal, not someone's else's lead

True, but the fact remains that, as with "California Dreamin'", he's lipsynching to a song he doesn't sing on.

As for his lipsynching so badly in Solid Gold, um, well, have you never noticed that he's plain not good at it ? ::)  Check out the "IJWMFTT" 'live' performances, notably "Do It Again" & "'Til I Die" - way off.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on January 18, 2008, 07:46:58 PM
Amazing thing about the Beach Boys....we have 2 guys who aren't related and it is so hard to distinguish their voices in the late 60's and early 70's and then again 20 years later, we still have a hard time distinguishing their voices on a song and both of the voices had changed alot by then! One of the reasons that makes me love them!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 20, 2008, 12:50:10 PM
I don't like arguing with AGD either, but I still don't buy that that line is not Brian.  Unfortunately, I don't have the mp3 of the song to go back and refer to, so I can't back that up with anything more than my memory.  However, doesn't one of the "rescue me rescue you" lines immediately precede Alan's 2nd verse lead vocal?  And aren't the quality of the two vocal lines substantially different?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 20, 2008, 03:01:57 PM
Listen to the percadella mix - it's much more obvious there. FWIW I thought it was Brian too until I heard that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 22, 2008, 01:06:46 AM
Listen to the percadella mix - it's much more obvious there. FWIW I thought it was Brian too until I heard that.

I don't have that mix...is it possible that that mix uses a different vocal track?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 22, 2008, 01:49:46 AM
Not that I can tell.

[edit] - just checked - same vocals tracks. And it's definitely Alan. Great bass vocal from Mike, too.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 22, 2008, 08:16:19 AM
Not that I can tell.

[edit] - just checked - same vocals tracks. And it's definitely Alan. Great bass vocal from Mike, too.

Great bass vocal by Mike indeed, but I'm still not convinced that it's Al.  :-\


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 22, 2008, 10:25:37 AM
Not that I can tell.

[edit] - just checked - same vocals tracks. And it's definitely Alan. Great bass vocal from Mike, too.
Still convinced it's Brian.  Can't somebody (Les Chan?) just ask Al.  Of course, if he thinks Honkin' Down the Highway was never recorded...

Great bass vocal by Mike indeed, but I'm still not convinced that it's Al.  :-\
I still think it's Brian...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 23, 2008, 10:01:36 AM
Huh.

Well, I really like Brian's vocal on the rest of the song, anyway.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 23, 2008, 01:57:09 PM
Alan Boyd is a troublemaker.  I was ready to drop this and he saw the thread and emailed me the percadella mix of "Rock 'n' Roll to the Rescue," with an enigmatic comment to the effect of not taking a position either way.

Listening with headphones and the volume up...the line recurs three times, the first at 1:12 is panned left, the latter two centered.  It appears to be two tracks, loosely doubled.  With all due respect to AGD, I just don't see how anyone gets that these are Al.  Here's my case:

(1)  The left channel vocal track carries over from the first chorus.  The "cue" of "rescue" is under pitch as if it's sung through the nose.  Brian.
(2)  The grit in the vocal on "said."  Low, gravelly, right where Brian sings it.  Now visualize Al singing.  Al definitely has grit, but it usually higher in his range.  At that spot in his range he tended to sing clear and with a little vibrato.  Brian.  Listen to Al's vocal come in right after (singing just a half step up from the prior line, no less).  It's got a totally different quality.
(3) 2nd chorus.  Now we're panned center, but the vocal still carries over from the chorus.  You can hear the vocal go under at on "scue" "you" and "scue" again, especially on "you."  Typical of someone with nose issues going to hit a tenor note on a "ew" sound.  Brian.
(4) Grit at "and" and "it."  I could imagine Al singing the "it" this way, but not with this much baritone.  Brian.
(5)  Third chorus.  Same issues as 2nd chorus.  Brian.
(6)  Third time through.  Listen to the slight lisp on "I said."  I defy anyone to listen to those two lines and tell me that's not the post-'83 Brian vocal affectation that we've come to know so well.  Case closed, Brian.
(7)  The double is OK, but a little sloppy all the way through.  Al did not have problems in this part of his range in '86.  No reason for it to be this loose unless it was Brian.  Or unless someone else in the band doubled him.

Brian, Brian, Brian.  Yes, possibly someone other than him in the band doubled him (although it doesn't sound like it to me).  Brian, I say!



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on January 23, 2008, 02:33:25 PM
Adam, Tremendous research!  I feel like it could be Brian on 1 and 3, but # 2 does sound more like Al.  The debate goes on


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on January 23, 2008, 02:37:35 PM
 :ahh



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 23, 2008, 04:28:20 PM
I wondered about the second vocal at first, too.  But on second listen it sounded to me that it was just a tighter track and placed differently in the mix (center).  Those two factors would make it sound clearer and probably more like Al.  I don't hear the actual quality of the voices being that different.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on January 25, 2008, 11:15:23 AM
I will vote with Adam on this one. I say its Brian as well.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 25, 2008, 11:28:28 AM
Me still say Alan.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 25, 2008, 11:44:46 AM
I guess we'll have to go for a "Brian or Alan" credit on that one then...  :P


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on January 25, 2008, 12:31:51 PM
Then again, I wouldnt really trust someone who couldnt tell that the original God Only Knows was spliced in a newer version... :p



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 25, 2008, 12:54:26 PM
Then again, I wouldnt really trust someone who couldnt tell that the original God Only Knows was spliced in a newer version... :p



That's exactly what I was thinking without daring saying it  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 25, 2008, 01:12:47 PM
Then again, I wouldnt really trust someone who couldnt tell that the original God Only Knows was spliced in a newer version... :p



I asked someone who would know, and he said not.  8)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 25, 2008, 01:15:04 PM
Then again, I wouldnt really trust someone who couldnt tell that the original God Only Knows was spliced in a newer version... :p



I asked someone who would know, and he said not.  8)

...And he was talking about the released version, not about the 30-second promo video. :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 25, 2008, 01:22:12 PM
Consider Alan's vocal on "I Do Love You" - that sound like you've ever heard him before ?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 25, 2008, 01:46:31 PM
Well, it's unmistakably Alan. Not his usual "sound", but easily recognizable nevertheless. And that isn't the case on Rock & Roll To The Rescue, at least in my opinion.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 25, 2008, 03:03:32 PM
I say per my post about a million years ago, we credit it to Maurice Gibb.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on January 25, 2008, 08:48:56 PM
My vote is that it's Brian.  :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on January 27, 2008, 09:51:41 PM
after listening to it a bunch of times, im gonna go with alan...and some parts that were tagged as mike, i wanna go with brian on them... :brian


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: smile-holland on January 27, 2008, 11:13:35 PM
Now, I don't whether or not this is something to be ashamed of, but my BBs collection stops at 85. I have Still Cruisin' on vinyl, but no vinyl player.

Can someone give me the info on:

Happy Ending
Rock and Roll To The Rescue
Make It Big
Still Cruisin'
In My Car

And anything else from the 1986 to 1990 period - I'm confident about Kokomo, California Dreamin', Somewhere Near Japan and Island Girl. Thanks. I don't need line-by-line breakdowns, unless it's totally necessary, just the way I've been doing it lo these many months. AGD?

Thanks.


to get back to this list....Happy Endings...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYxAqHIff2g

I could give it a try...but the next couple of days I don't ahave a lot of time for this...so if anyone cares to help out on this...

As for In My Car: almost solely Brian with a little help on the refrain by Carl (I think)

lead and bv's: Brian
When I'm behind the wheel
Horses of gas and steel
The highway is my home
In fiberglass and chrome

Fantasy car shiny Corvette
Let's take a ride you can't forget
Come on pretty lady ride with me

lead Carl, bv's: Brian
In my car
I'm captain of my destiny
In my car
Pretty babe come cruise with me
Come for a drive
And we'll arrive
Feelin' alive

lead and bv's: Brian
I'm master of my fate
When I accelerate
My new Vette is my throne
When on the road we roam we roam we roam roam

Cruisin' like we're in a dream
Feelin' like we're still sixteen
Being a part of the great American scene

lead Carl, bv's: Brian
In my car
I'm captain of my destiny
In my car
Pretty babe come cruise with me
Come for a drive
And we'll arrive
Feelin' alive

lead and bv's: Brian
Cruise cruise cruise with me baby
Now move move up in the stratosphere
Zoom zoom zoom with me darlin' now
We're still cruisin' after all these
Cruisin' after all these years

lead and bv's: Brian
Wind blowing in my hair
I feel like a millionaire
Radio is blasting strong
We're breaking out in song

Blazing trails both near and far
Park my car behind a star
Life is full of possibilities

lead Carl, bv's: Brian
In my car
I'm captain of my destiny
In my car
Oh pretty babe come cruise with me
Come for a drive
And we'll arrive
Feelin' alive

In my car
I'm captain of my destiny
In my car
Oh pretty babe come cruise with me



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 28, 2008, 01:50:33 AM
I think Al shares the lead on the choruses (except the first one, where Carl does the lead alone)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 28, 2008, 07:16:11 AM
Yup. Alan takes a line or two in the choruses.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 28, 2008, 08:22:27 AM
chorus 1= Carl
chorus 2= Al
chrorus3= sounds like a Carl/Al combo


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 28, 2008, 10:20:12 AM
chorus 1= Carl
chorus 2= Al
chrorus3= sounds like a Carl/Al combo

The mix is such a murky mess, I think the entire vocal should be credited to a Yamaha SPX-90.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on January 28, 2008, 11:39:53 AM
Alan is definitely on IN MY CAR.

We still need to get Rock 'n' Roll To The Rescue sorted out, I think.

And judging by that Happy Endings link, the credit is Little Richard, Carl and Mike. What a bloody awful song though.  That might well be their recorded nadir (although, as I've said, I've never heard SiP). It's a long way from Tutti Frutti and God Only Knows, right there.

Thanks so far.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 29, 2008, 04:50:09 AM
My take on "In My Car":

[Brian]When I'm behind the wheel
Horses of gas and steel
The highway is my home
In fiberglass and chrome

Fantasy car shiny Corvette
Let's take a ride you can't forget
Come on pretty lady ride with me

[Carl]
In my car
I'm captain of my destiny
In my car
Pretty babe come cruise with me
Come for a drive
And we'll arrive
Feelin' alive

[Brian]I'm master of my fate
When I accelerate
My new Vette is my throne
When on the road we roam we roam we roam roam

Cruisin' like we're in a dream
Feelin' like we're still sixteen
Being a part of the great American scene

[Alan]In my car
I'm captain of my destiny
In my car
Pretty babe come cruise with me
Come for a drive
And we'll arrive
Feelin' alive

[Brian]
Cruise cruise cruise with me baby
Now move move up in the stratosphere
Zoom zoom zoom with me darlin' now
We're still cruisin' after all these
Cruisin' after all these years

Wind blowing in my hair
I feel like a millionaire
Radio is blasting strong
We're breaking out in song

Blazing trails both near and far
Park my car behind a star
Life is full of possibilities

[Carl & Alan]
In my car
I'm captain of my destiny
In my car
Oh pretty babe come cruise with me
Come for a drive
And we'll arrive
Feelin' alive

In my car
I'm captain of my destiny
In my car
Oh pretty babe come cruise with me


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: mikeyj on January 29, 2008, 04:53:00 AM
What a bloody awful song though.  That might well be their recorded nadir (although, as I've said, I've never heard SiP).

Wait till you hear "Summer of Love". Stroke of genius right there ::)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 29, 2008, 04:56:32 AM
"Happy Endings":

verse 1 - Mr. Penniman

verse 2 - Carl/Mike/Carl

chorus - Carl [counter: Alan]/LR/Carl [Alan]/LR

verse 3 - Mr. Penniman

chorus - Carl [counter: Alan]/LR/Carl [Alan]/LR

verse 4 - Carl/Mike/Mr. Penniman.

tag - Carl


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 29, 2008, 05:04:00 AM
"Somewhere Near Japan":

[Mike]Late last night I got an S. O. S.
The fairy tale girl's in deep in distress
She says I don't know where I am
But it's near Japan

[Carl]My engine's all burned out
My crew has all [Omnes]bailed out
[Bruce]I don't know where I am
[Mike]But it's somewhere near Japan

[Mike]And she said
[Omnes]Rescue me
[Mike]I'm somewhere in the
[Omnes]China Sea
[Mike]I think I'm sinkin' fast
[Carl]This call is probably my last
I'm throwin' out a life line
And I'm doin' it for old time's sake
Though I know you're gonna break my heart
One more time

[Mike]Late last night I got an S. O. S.
The fairy tale girl's in deep in distress
She says I don't know where I am
But it's near Japan

[Carl]My engine's all burned out
My crew has all [Omnes]bailed out
[Bruce]I don't know where I am
[Mike]But it's somewhere near Japan

[Mike]And she said
[Omnes]Thank you dear
[Mike]I think she sounded
[Omnes]Quite sincere
[Mike]And when she turned to go
[Carl]She said I crave adventure don't you know

[Alan]And now she's driftin' on some Chinese junk
Her world is spinning and her hope has sunk
So I close my eyes
And I'm somewhere near Japan
The spinning stopped and the world stood still
I broke her fall and I always will
Strung out in no man's land
Somewhere near Japan
[Omnes]Rescue me


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: CosmicDancer on January 29, 2008, 05:12:10 AM
A while back someone posted their opinion that Terry Melcher was actually the "Carl" voice in Somewhere in Japan (I'm throwin' out a life line....) as well as a lot of the Carl parts on SiP.  I can't say that I believe(d) it, but does anyone have any info?  It sounds way to much like Carl to be Melcher doing an impersonation.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 29, 2008, 05:15:40 AM
"Make it Big":

Make it big
So big

[Carl]You can make it big
You can make it bigger than life
See your name spelled right
Up on the bright lights
Bright lights

Have a little faith in yourself
[Mike]In everything that you do
[Carl]I know youre gonna make it big if you want to
If you really want to
You can make it big

Bright lights

Have a little faith in yourself
[Mike]In everything that you do darlin
[Carl]I know youre goin make it big if you want to
If you really want to

[Mike]Baby youre a superstar
Lookin like youre goin far
[Alan]Do what you want
Why dont you do what you wanna

[Mike]You could be my little movie queen
Up there on the silver screen
[Alan]Do what you want
Go on and do what you wanna

[Mike]Catch a plane to hollywood
And right away youre best buddys
With johnny b. goode
And he say
[Alan]Baby welcome to the neighborhood
Now you can do what you want
Do what you wanna

[Carl]You can make it big
You can make it bigger than life
See your named spelled right
Up on the bright lights

Bright lights

Have a little faith in yourself
[Mike]In everything that you do
[Carl]I know youre goin to make it big
If you want to
If you really want to
You can make it big

Bright lights

Have a little faith in yourself
[Mike]In everything that you do
[Carl]I know youre goin to make it big
If you want to
If you really want to
You can make it big
So big
Make it big
[Mike & Brian]Oh I know you can make it
Everybody you can make it
Yes I know we can make it big
Darlin you can make it
I know youre gonna make it
Oo baby you can make it big


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 29, 2008, 05:18:01 AM
A while back someone posted their opinion that Terry Melcher was actually the "Carl" voice in Somewhere in Japan (I'm throwin' out a life line....) as well as a lot of the Carl parts on SiP.  I can't say that I believe(d) it, but does anyone have any info?  It sounds way to much like Carl to be Melcher doing an impersonation.

Terry may have voiced the demos and done some bvs, but he didn't have the smoothness and warmth of tone that Carl possessed.

Could be Alan, though... ::)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: mikeyj on January 29, 2008, 05:24:42 AM
A while back someone posted their opinion that Terry Melcher was actually the "Carl" voice in Somewhere in Japan (I'm throwin' out a life line....) as well as a lot of the Carl parts on SiP.

Are you talking about the Still Cruisin' album or Summer In Paradise? I'm confused ???


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on January 29, 2008, 05:38:13 AM
What a bloody awful song though.  That might well be their recorded nadir (although, as I've said, I've never heard SiP).

Certainly one of their very worst, yeah.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: CosmicDancer on January 29, 2008, 07:12:12 AM
A while back someone posted their opinion that Terry Melcher was actually the "Carl" voice in Somewhere in Japan (I'm throwin' out a life line....) as well as a lot of the Carl parts on SiP.

Are you talking about the Still Cruisin' album or Summer In Paradise? I'm confused ???

Both.  Well, not necessarily the whole of Still Cruisin', just Somewhere Near Japan.  Like I said, I don't believe it at all, but I remember someone on here mentioning it.  I was just looking for definitive info from those in the know.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 29, 2008, 07:36:37 AM
A while back someone posted their opinion that Terry Melcher was actually the "Carl" voice in Somewhere in Japan (I'm throwin' out a life line....) as well as a lot of the Carl parts on SiP.  I can't say that I believe(d) it, but does anyone have any info?  It sounds way to much like Carl to be Melcher doing an impersonation.

That is Carl on Japan.  No Melcher on the US SIP.  However, he clearly takes Carl's "ooh I got it bad" on the Euro SIP Island Fever, which ruins the entire song by itself.  This change is odd since Carl IS on the Euro version of this song in other places...
And by the way, although I still disagree with Mr. Doe on RRTTR, he has nailed (as usual) the credits for Somewhere Near Japan, Make It Big, Happy Endings AND In My Car.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 29, 2008, 10:05:35 AM
Just reading the lyrics to these songs make me break out in a sweat.  I'm happy to go along with whatever anyone says about who sang them so I don't have to listen to them.

"Happy Endings" is one of the few cases I can think of where Carl turns in an utterly tasteless vocal.  Talk about overemoting.  I wonder if he was subconsciously trying to wreck the song.  The video for it looks like one of those weird dreams you have after eating Taco Bell at 1 a.m.  Seriously.

"Rock 'n' Roll To The Rescue" may be the last Beach Boys track I really like, though I thought the "Hot Fun" single was at least an inspired choice of a cover (although when we did the gig with Jardine, he saw it on our set list and was aghast:  "You're not doing our verison, are you?"  "No."  "Thank God.")

To me, "Kokomo" ended the Beach Boys artistically, because ML from that point on kept cynically trying to make lightning strike twice.  RNRTR, which preceded it by only two years, showed Love-Melcher could come up with an interesting idea when they weren't trying so hard.  After "Kokomo"?  Ugh.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 29, 2008, 10:12:10 AM
Listen to the percadella mix - it's much more obvious there. FWIW I thought it was Brian too until I heard that.
IMHO,
The first time it's Brian, second time maybe both, 3rd time is definitely Al. Honestly, Al's vocals on that part sound like some form of pitch correction was used. Obviously, Pro Tools and its autotune feature were a couple of years away, but  Al's vocals on that one particular part sound rather unnatural.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 29, 2008, 10:13:27 AM
Just reading the lyrics to these songs make me break out in a sweat.  I'm happy to go along with whatever anyone says about who sang them so I don't have to listen to them.

"Happy Endings" is one of the few cases I can think of where Carl turns in an utterly tasteless vocal.  Talk about overemoting.  I wonder if he was subconsciously trying to wreck the song.  The video for it looks like one of those weird dreams you have after eating Taco Bell at 1 a.m.  Seriously.

"Rock 'n' Roll To The Rescue" may be the last Beach Boys track I really like, though I thought the "Hot Fun" single was at least an inspired choice of a cover (although when we did the gig with Jardine, he saw it on our set list and was aghast:  "You're not doing our verison, are you?"  "No."  "Thank God.")

To me, "Kokomo" ended the Beach Boys artistically, because ML from that point on kept cynically trying to make lightning strike twice.  RNRTR, which preceded it by only two years, showed Love-Melcher could come up with an interesting idea when they weren't trying so hard.  After "Kokomo"?  Ugh.

Gotta disagree, in that IMHO "Strange things Happen" is a great song.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 29, 2008, 10:42:16 AM
And by the way, although I still disagree with Mr. Doe on RRTTR, he has nailed (as usual) the credits for Somewhere Near Japan, Make It Big, Happy Endings AND In My Car.

Ditto. And frankly, about RRTTR, I declare myself incompetent. Sometimes it sounds like Al and Mike, sometimes like Brian alone, sometimes like Al and Brian, sometimes like Al alone. It's just too much of a pitch-corrected mess. Perhaps Andrew is right after all!  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 29, 2008, 10:50:13 AM
Just reading the lyrics to these songs make me break out in a sweat.  I'm happy to go along with whatever anyone says about who sang them so I don't have to listen to them.

"Happy Endings" is one of the few cases I can think of where Carl turns in an utterly tasteless vocal.  Talk about overemoting.  I wonder if he was subconsciously trying to wreck the song.  The video for it looks like one of those weird dreams you have after eating Taco Bell at 1 a.m.  Seriously.

"Rock 'n' Roll To The Rescue" may be the last Beach Boys track I really like, though I thought the "Hot Fun" single was at least an inspired choice of a cover (although when we did the gig with Jardine, he saw it on our set list and was aghast:  "You're not doing our verison, are you?"  "No."  "Thank God.")

To me, "Kokomo" ended the Beach Boys artistically, because ML from that point on kept cynically trying to make lightning strike twice.  RNRTR, which preceded it by only two years, showed Love-Melcher could come up with an interesting idea when they weren't trying so hard.  After "Kokomo"?  Ugh.

Gotta disagree, in that IMHO "Strange things Happen" is a great song.

Agreed re Strange Things.  Also, Somewhere Near Japan had it's moments (and take note that on each occasion Love ditched the Kokomo formula. As noted by many, straying from that formula was indeed VERY RARE post 88).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on January 29, 2008, 03:23:59 PM
 From the post Dennis era I like only a handful of songs. Getcha Back, California Dreamin (which was partly done back in 1982), RRTTR, Somewhere Near Japan, and maybe Crocodile Rock.

 On SIP the title cut, Hot Fun, and Strange Things could have been good if the production was better. Actually the title cut needed some lyrical rewriting excising the part where they mention songs titles and themselves. Hot Fun was a good choice to cover, but the production let's it down and the video is really cheesy and almost ruined it for me. The first time I heard it was on the radio and I actually thought it was very good then but it doesn't hold up.

You're Still A Mystery and Soul Serchin were the best things they did post 83 and they were not issued of course.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on January 29, 2008, 05:05:15 PM
You're Still A Mystery and Soul Serchin were the best things they did post 83 and they were not issued of course.

Agreed! I listened to Mystery 47 times the other night...in a row!  :thud

damn whiskey.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 29, 2008, 05:48:53 PM
I like the '90s Paley stuff a lot...probably all in all my favorite post-LIGHT ALBUM material from any of the band...but of course, it wasn't released.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 29, 2008, 05:52:33 PM
<<The first time it's Brian, second time maybe both, 3rd time is definitely Al. Honestly, Al's vocals on that part sound like some form of pitch correction was used.>>

I've already weighed in on this, so I'll drop it after this, but again:  3rd time, on the words "I said," there's a lisp that is quintessentially '80s Brian.  Can't ever remember Al lisping anything at any time, the 3rd time vocal does sound better but to me, not like a different person sang it. 

That said, I still maintain the entire song was sung by Maurice Gibb....


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on January 31, 2008, 12:05:23 PM
So it's Brian?

Is there a link anywhere so I an hear it? I tried Youtube but couldn't seem to find it...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 31, 2008, 12:28:34 PM
Some say it's Brian, some not.  ::)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 31, 2008, 12:50:21 PM
I actually went as far as looking at the LIVE AID video to see who sang that line in absence of Brian and the answer is...pretty much everyone.  Which does weigh slightly in favor of there being more than one band member on that line, although it honestly doesn't sound like it to me.

How about just saying "Brian and/or Al."  That covers it all.  I don't think it's resolvable without more information (e.g. an early rough mix, first-hand information, voice of God)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on January 31, 2008, 12:52:14 PM
Hey, Boyd!  I see you up there lurking and reading this thread.  Don't be a puss, tell us.  Who is it, Brian, Al, or Maurice Gibb?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 31, 2008, 01:00:12 PM
So it's Brian?

Is there a link anywhere so I an hear it? I tried Youtube but couldn't seem to find it...

Yes, it IS on youtube.  I mentioned this way earlier in the thread to bolster my argument that it is Brian.  Go to youtube and search "Beach Boys Medley".  You will get a few choices, including BB Medley & R&R to the rescue from Solid Gold in 1986.  When you click on that selection, a related link will be the actual music video.  So, you can hear it/see it two different places. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 31, 2008, 01:11:50 PM
I actually went as far as looking at the LIVE AID video to see who sang that line in absence of Brian and the answer is...pretty much everyone. 

Um, Adam... not sure what you mean with this. 1) Brian was at Live Aid... and 2) "R&RTTR" wasn't recorded then, much less performed.

Confused in the UK.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Wilsonista on January 31, 2008, 02:44:50 PM
I think he meant Farm Aid.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Alan Boyd on January 31, 2008, 02:58:50 PM
I don't know for certain who's singing those lines.  But it sure sounds like Brian to me....

Lemme check the documentation in the database..... Hmmm... tracks 14 & 15 on the 2" master are both listed as "AL AND BRIAN CHORUSES 2"....

Maybe they're BOTH singing that part - twice?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Wilsonista on January 31, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
I just listened to the track (as releasd on Made in USA)  and I would definitely buy a Brian/Al unison. It definitely bears the vocal traits of both men.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on January 31, 2008, 04:53:00 PM
I just listened to the track (as releasd on Made in USA)  and I would definitely buy a Brian/Al unison. It definitely bears the vocal traits of both men.

I could be pursuaded to go along with this, esp. after Alan Boyd's input and as long as Brian is given equal vocal credit...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 31, 2008, 05:13:06 PM
:D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on January 31, 2008, 11:13:13 PM
I'd buy the "Al + Brian" theory!  ;D During my first attentive listen to that part, it was obvious that there were two different voices at the same time. I was thinking "Al and Mike", but "Al and Brian" seems to work as well, considering Brian's voice circa 1986!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 01, 2008, 02:48:00 AM
Works for me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 01, 2008, 07:51:03 AM
Sounds like Brian to me, but you guys have heard it more than once, so I'll go along.
I'll put this one up soonest.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 01, 2008, 10:17:53 AM
I think he meant Farm Aid.

I did, sorry.  (Speaking of Brian/Al unison, I love the LIVE AID version of "Wouldn't It Be Nice," with them both singing the lead (Al mixed a little higher).  One of the best live versions I've heard)

I don't personally really hear Al in that section to the degree everyone else does BUT I think, on the balance, Alan's tracksheet evidence tips the balance in favor of the Brian/Al unison theory.  And Al has proved time and again he can double Brian like almost nobody else in the band (despite being the only non-family member), so I think we've solved this mystery.  Yay!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 01, 2008, 10:32:05 AM
Quote
And Al has proved time and again he can double Brian like almost nobody else in the band (despite being the only non-family member other than Bruce)
fixed that quote for ya! :)

Glad I was right on Brian/Al unison, although I thought it was just that one verse.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 01, 2008, 10:49:40 AM
Played it safe on R' N' R for now. (And just how is the title actually rendered correctly - Rock n' , Rock And, or what?)
Also, there's a live California Girls on the B-Side of Happy Endings I'd like to add, who does Brian's parts on it?

Thanks folks...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on February 01, 2008, 11:14:40 AM
Hang on...you need to add Mike to RRTTR ("hey now, hey now") and his bass part to Wipeout; also, Brian and Carl's accapella intro to Island Girl...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 01, 2008, 12:24:25 PM
Done.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Wilsonista on February 01, 2008, 01:56:54 PM
I think he meant Farm Aid.

I did, sorry.  (Speaking of Brian/Al unison, I love the LIVE AID version of "Wouldn't It Be Nice," with them both singing the lead (Al mixed a little higher).  One of the best live versions I've heard)

I always thought that sounded more like Foskett to me. Or it could be Maurice Gibb for all I know.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Wilsonista on February 01, 2008, 03:15:41 PM
I actually went as far as looking at the LIVE AID video to see who sang that line in absence of Brian and the answer is...pretty much everyone.  Which does weigh slightly in favor of there being more than one band member on that line, although it honestly doesn't sound like it to me.

How about just saying "Brian and/or Al."  That covers it all.  I don't think it's resolvable without more information (e.g. an early rough mix, first-hand information, voice of God)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZloEJ8fVxYQ

Pretty damn good, if you ask me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 01, 2008, 05:01:55 PM
I think he meant Farm Aid.

I did, sorry.  (Speaking of Brian/Al unison, I love the LIVE AID version of "Wouldn't It Be Nice," with them both singing the lead (Al mixed a little higher).  One of the best live versions I've heard)

I always thought that sounded more like Foskett to me. Or it could be Maurice Gibb for all I know.

Brian's on camera singing it, as is Al.  Aurally, it sounds to me like a 60-40 double with Al dominating.  Foskett could be in there too for all I know, I don't remember seeing him on that clip though.

Hey, true story, last night I had a weird dream about "Make It Big."  The dream was that about midway through it turned into a good song.

It's kind of interesting how on almost all of their later stuff, every member of the band gets a piece of the lead vocal (or something close to that).  I have to think politics played a role there.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: the captain on February 01, 2008, 05:18:05 PM

Hey, true story, last night I had a weird dream about "Make It Big."  The dream was that about midway through it turned into a good song.


That is hilarious.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Wilsonista on February 01, 2008, 05:40:09 PM
I think he meant Farm Aid.

I did, sorry.  (Speaking of Brian/Al unison, I love the LIVE AID version of "Wouldn't It Be Nice," with them both singing the lead (Al mixed a little higher).  One of the best live versions I've heard)


Quote
Brian's on camera singing it, as is Al.  Aurally, it sounds to me like a 60-40 double with Al dominating.  Foskett could be in there too for all I know, I don't remember seeing him on that clip though.

Jeff doesn't get any face time. I guess I do hear Al in there, but Jeff can be heard too. Listen to the way "wouldn't" is sung - that's Foskett through and through. Ironically I can't hear Brian in there at all and right before the bridge, Brian walks away from the mic before he is actually finished singing the line (where you can still hear Al/Jeff. )

Ugh. Listen to how awful Mike sounds on the ritard at the end.

Quote
Hey, true story, last night I had a weird dream about "Make It Big."  The dream was that about midway through it turned into a good song.


Haha, smartass.  :-D  That is one of the few Mlcher/Love tunes that I find tolerable. The movie was an utter piece of merda though.

Quote
It's kind of interesting how on almost all of their later stuff, every member of the band gets a piece of the lead vocal (or something close to that).  I have to think politics played a role there.

Maybe done so to disguise the fact that by this time, the BB on record had become The Mike Love Show.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 01, 2008, 11:44:54 PM
"Wipe Out" bass vocal - I really don't think it's Mike. I hear many voices on that song, but only one Beach Boy - Brian. Those who scoff at Brian doing a credible bass vocal, I refer you to the 1973 version of "Shortenin' Bread"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 02, 2008, 02:22:21 AM
I concur with AGD on this, although I'm less sure that the bass part isn't Mike (but I'm not going to go listen because...well...I don't want to dream about bad '80s Beach Boys songs two nights in a row).  Here's a question, though...how is it that Brian is the only BB on the song when there's a detailed description of the vocal session -- with all the guys there (or all except Carl, I can't remember) -- for "Wipe Out" described in McFarlane's "Wilson Project" book?  I agree that's what it sounds like, I just don't understand how it's possible.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: mikeyj on February 02, 2008, 02:50:35 AM
I concur with AGD on this, although I'm less sure that the bass part isn't Mike (but I'm not going to go listen because...well...I don't want to dream about bad '80s Beach Boys songs two nights in a row).  Here's a question, though...how is it that Brian is the only BB on the song when there's a detailed description of the vocal session -- with all the guys there (or all except Carl, I can't remember) -- for "Wipe Out" described in McFarlane's "Wilson Project" book?  I agree that's what it sounds like, I just don't understand how it's possible.

Yeah VERY good point. Never thought of that one. Unless the guys vocals from that session weren't used for some reason? I know it's a minor thing, but it's McParland by the way.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 02, 2008, 03:07:48 AM
I think the answer is Eugene E. Landy. It's possible that Usher wasn't aware that the track was released how it was. Remember, it was reportedly going to be cut with Run-DMC.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 02, 2008, 03:09:36 AM
"Island Girl" - Brian prominent in the intro. Plus, the vocals are also a kinda relay race, thus:

Ray oh ah ha
Ray oh ah ha
Radio ah ha
You know
Ray oh ah ha
Radio ah
[Alan]I'm gonna make her mine
Bom bom bom ba ba bom bom bom bom

[Carl]I went to Trinidad
I didn't Know just what I had
'til I Found her

She wears a pretty smile
That compliments her shapely Style
and I found her

[Alan]Island girl she's oh so pretty
Island girl I like her plenty
Island girl I'm gonna make her mine

Island girl she makes me happy
Island girl she kinda sassy
Island girl I'm gonna make her mine

[Mike]Everybody's got an island fantasy
[Mike & Alan]For me it's like a Caribbean odyssey
All the people live and love there by the sea
[Alan - bass Mike]Near the sparkling wather 'neath the coco-palm tree

[Alan]Island girl she make me happy
Island girl she kinda sassy
Island girl won't you show me the way

She's fine so fine all mine
She's so good to me
And I know (i know) our love (or love) so free (so free)
That it was meant to be

Island girl she make me happy
Island girl she kinda sassy
Island girl won't you show me the way

She's a real beauty from the Caribbean
Long dark hair flowin' in the breeze
She's the kinda beauty makes you come alive and
We can live together for eternity

[Carl]Every now and then I get this silly grin
When I'm there in her company
She says I'm crazy that I'm also very lazy
I know she loves me

[Alan]Island girl she make me happy
Island girl she kinda sassy
Island girl won't you show me the way
Island girl won't you show me the way
Island girl won't you show me the way


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on February 02, 2008, 03:14:03 AM
Personally I hear Mike, Bruce and Al at certain points but Brian is way out front.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on February 02, 2008, 06:53:53 AM
I think the answer is Eugene E. Landy. It's possible that Usher wasn't aware that the track was released how it was. Remember, it was reportedly going to be cut with Run-DMC.

I remember when the Boys accepted some award in early '88...I think it was the Amercian Music Awards, presented to them by Glen Campbell & David Lee Roth...Mike had a hard hat on...one of them (Mike or Al, I think), said they wanted to thank the Fat Boys for "wiping us out"...which I've always wondered was a subtle allusion to having their group vocals wiped in favor of a Brian-only performance...just a thought that crossed my mind...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 02, 2008, 08:06:57 AM
"Wipe Out" bass vocal - I really don't think it's Mike. I hear many voices on that song, but only one Beach Boy - Brian. Those who scoff at Brian doing a credible bass vocal, I refer you to the 1973 version of "Shortenin' Bread"

Yeah, I wasn't sure about this, but added it anyway. I'll take it back out again, and add it if/when there's more confirmation one way or the other.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: CosmicDancer on February 02, 2008, 11:52:43 AM
I agree on Wipeout having the "wall of Brian" treatment on the vocals. 


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Post by: southbay on February 02, 2008, 03:30:44 PM
"Wipe Out" bass vocal - I really don't think it's Mike. I hear many voices on that song, but only one Beach Boy - Brian. Those who scoff at Brian doing a credible bass vocal, I refer you to the 1973 version of "Shortenin' Bread"
I concur with AGD on this, although I'm less sure that the bass part isn't Mike (but I'm not going to go listen because...well...I don't want to dream about bad '80s Beach Boys songs two nights in a row).  Here's a question, though...how is it that Brian is the only BB on the song when there's a detailed description of the vocal session -- with all the guys there (or all except Carl, I can't remember) -- for "Wipe Out" described in McFarlane's "Wilson Project" book?  I agree that's what it sounds like, I just don't understand how it's possible.
Not saying Brian can't do a credible bass vocal, esp. with studio treatment.  I just don't think it's him on THIS one. Usher gave a detailed description of the February 27, 1987 vocal session and noted Brian came in, handed out parts ("Here's you part Mike") and Al, Mike and Bruce added their parts.  It is possible, but one would think unlikely, that Brian would would sing Mike's bass part, especially since Mike was there singing at the session.  Did Brian later re-record the vocal at another session?  That is not noted anywhere in the book.  The "Project" is certainly not a bible, but does give descriptive deatil of Brian's recording sessions up until the Wilson/Usher falling out in June 87.   And another thing...it just SOUNDS like Mike.  Granted, Brian is everywhere else on that song.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 02, 2008, 07:34:28 PM
I concur with AGD on this, although I'm less sure that the bass part isn't Mike (but I'm not going to go listen because...well...I don't want to dream about bad '80s Beach Boys songs two nights in a row).  Here's a question, though...how is it that Brian is the only BB on the song when there's a detailed description of the vocal session -- with all the guys there (or all except Carl, I can't remember) -- for "Wipe Out" described in McFarlane's "Wilson Project" book?  I agree that's what it sounds like, I just don't understand how it's possible.

Yeah VERY good point. Never thought of that one. Unless the guys vocals from that session weren't used for some reason? I know it's a minor thing, but it's McParland by the way.

It's dyslexia/don't bother to look anything up week for me, apparently.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on February 03, 2008, 09:43:06 AM
I have only heard the last three songs on "Still Cruisin'" but I thought I'd mention how the person singing the answering lines to Brian's "Oh, we could be married" etc. in "Wouldn't it be nice" sounds to me exactly like Carl. I know this was discussed a lot before, but that is how I hear it. At least the second line: "then we'll be happy", sounds definitely like Carl.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 04, 2008, 12:03:24 AM
I wondered about that as well (the response line being Al).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 04, 2008, 01:30:57 AM
I did, sorry.  (Speaking of Brian/Al unison, I love the LIVE AID version of "Wouldn't It Be Nice," with them both singing the lead (Al mixed a little higher).  One of the best live versions I've heard

Seriously? I thought that version was embarrassing... The band is all over the place during the part where the song slows down, like every member is singing in a different key and/or tempo, and the drumming is just awful... Had me yelling "just stick to your parts, dammit!" to my screen once or twice...

I also got the impression that Brian's mic wasn't even on during Live Aid... When you see his lips moving, it doesn't seem to match with any of the voices you're hearing...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on February 04, 2008, 06:43:53 AM
I wondered about that as well (the response line being Al).

I'm certain the second response is Carl. He seems to sing it in quite a plain voice, if that makes sense, without trying to sound unusual like on the "Wild Honey" album particularly, but also unlike the way he sang before "Pet Sounds". He also clearly sings the solo line "Hoist up the John B sail" in the middle of "Sloop John B" and that seems to be in the same ordinary type of voice.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 04, 2008, 11:09:51 AM
I dunno, I've got the accapella version again, I'll go check it out.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 12, 2008, 11:27:22 AM
Believe it or not, I haven't yet had to check these things the way I like to, so in the interim, can someone give me the info for  "Summer In Paradise"? When you guys reach a consensus, I'll do it like the other albums. Thanks.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on February 12, 2008, 11:36:51 AM
I dunno, I've got the accapella version again, I'll go check it out.

I've now relistened to all the versions of "Wouldn't It Be Nice" on the "Pet Sounds Sessions" and to me anyway they sound like Carl singing those responses. He sings softer on the last version on the box set, but louder on the other versions. I agree with whoever said that he sounds clearly like Carl on the word "happy", but I admit the first response does sound a bit Al-like, as I think you said John.

As for "Wipe Out", which I've now heard (along with the "Still Cruisin'" album), could there be two bass vocalists? The "do do do"s sound almost like Mike but slightly wrong, as if he's forgotten the way he used to always sing. I can't tell if they're really by Brian. The "ba ba ba"s could be anyone as far as I can tell (e.g. Brian or Mike).

Also, the three-part backing harmonies are strange. The middle part is loudest and a bit shaky, and sounds more like Brian than anyone else. The other two parts are soft and sound like either could well be Bruce (with one of them Al presumably), the top part alone being in falsetto.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on February 12, 2008, 11:41:19 AM
Sorry, John. As I was posting, I just read your latest post. "Summer in Paradise" next then (which I've heard none of).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on February 12, 2008, 11:45:26 AM
I'll try doing Summer in Paradise at some point today. Not right now, though, because I'm listening to Sunflower and it would be criminal to stop listening to Sunflower to listen to Summer in Paradise.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on February 12, 2008, 11:58:13 AM
I'll try doing Summer in Paradise at some point today. Not right now, though, because I'm listening to Sunflower and it would be criminal to stop listening to Sunflower to listen to Summer in Paradise.

I quite agree, Aegir. After I listened to "Still Cruisin'" for the first time last week, I spent most of the week since that listening to the Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations box sets. And "Still Cruisin'" wasn't actually terrible. "Summer in Paradise" gives me bad dreams already.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 12, 2008, 01:33:42 PM
Sorry, John. As I was posting, I just read your latest post. "Summer in Paradise" next then (which I've heard none of).

This is all I've heard / seen - the nightmareish Summer Of Love. It's a monolithic helping of awfulness. Be warned.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hIPS9CEKsWs (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hIPS9CEKsWs)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 12, 2008, 02:31:04 PM
I also got the impression that Brian's mic wasn't even on during Live Aid... When you see his lips moving, it doesn't seem to match with any of the voices you're hearing...

On the tape I made of the BBC stereo radio broadcast, he's clearly audible - as he is on the TV sound, come to that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 12, 2008, 07:35:54 PM
in the interim, can someone give me the info for  "Summer In Paradise"? When you guys reach a consensus, I'll do it like the other albums. Thanks.

It sucks.  Don't buy it.  Consensus?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 12, 2008, 08:50:45 PM
Yup. Dire.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: NightHider on February 12, 2008, 10:27:04 PM
I didn't see this listed back on page 26.   Who did the whistle for Time To Get Alone?

Also, It was a lotta paging to find that.  Any chance to compile the album detail to its own thread for the completed albums somewhere or has it been done already and I can't find it?  Thanks to all....


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on February 12, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
Okay, I know not alot of people like this album, but just Mike Love intended, it really was the soundtrack to my summer. During the summer of 2006, I would listen to it twice a day, on my way to and from work. It's really not that good when you compare to anything else in the catalogue, but it's a necessary piece of history, and hey, it's the Beach Boys so it has to be good, right? Carl's voice is a saving grace on most of these tracks.

Summer in Paradise [US]

Hot Fun in the Summertime: Mike and Carl, with Bruce on prominent high harmony
Surfin': Mike and Carl
Summer of Love: Mike
Island Fever: verses - Mike, with Bruce on prominent high harmony, choruses - Mike, with Carl on last line
Still Surfin': Mike
Slow Summer Dancin' (One Summer Night): verses - Bruce, choruses - Al
Strange Things Happen: verses - Mike, choruses - Al on the "everytime I touch my baby" part, Carl on the wordless vocal part
Remember (Walking in the Sand): verses - Carl, choruses - Al and Carl, with Mike on bass vocal
Lahaina Aloha: verses - Mike, choruses - Carl, with Mike
Under the Boardwalk: intro/verses/bridge/outro - Mike, choruses - Carl and Mike
Summer in Paradise: Mike
Forever: John Stamos, with Mike on "together my love" response vocals and Carl on "my my my my my my my" and tag towards end

Summer in Paradise [UK] (I only bothered to list the different recordings)

Island Fever: verses - Mike, with Carl prominent on high harmony, choruses - Al, with Mike on last line
Strange Things Happen: verses - Mike, choruses - Al on the "everytime I touch my baby" part, Carl on the wordless vocal part
Remember (Walking in the Sand): verses - Carl, choruses - Al and Carl, with Mike on bass vocal
Under the Boardwalk: intro/verses/outro - Mike, choruses - Carl and Mike, bridge - Al, with Mike on bass vocal
Summer in Paradise: first verse - Mike, second verse - Roger McGuinn, choruses - group
Forever: John Stamos, with Mike on "together my love" response vocals and Carl on "my my my my my my my" and tag towards end

Those UK tracks were a real chore. It's one thing to listen to Summer in Paradise, it's a whole 'nother thing to listen to a big chunk of it twice.

I think this proves, though, that I like Summer in Paradise more than any of you, which makes me the ultimate Beach Boys fan.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on February 13, 2008, 03:57:21 AM
Bruce sang a solo line on Hot Fun.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 13, 2008, 06:54:21 AM
I didn't see this listed back on page 26.   Who did the whistle for Time To Get Alone?

Also, It was a lotta paging to find that.  Any chance to compile the album detail to its own thread for the completed albums somewhere or has it been done already and I can't find it?  Thanks to all....

That's the plan, I hope the admin will split the topic up into albums only and discussion for easy access.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 13, 2008, 09:53:40 AM
Hot Fun - "Hey we're out of school": Adrian Baker. No solo line from Bruce.

Island Fever [US] - "I got it bad": Alan

Still Surfin' - falsetto: Adrian Baker


Forever - "If every word I said could make you laugh/I'd talk forever": Stamos & Carl


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on February 13, 2008, 09:59:22 AM
Andrew nailed the needed corrections.  However, I contend that is not Carl, but a masked "Beach Boy" (Melcher?), on the "ooh I got it bad" line in the Euro Island Fever.  But, Carl is indeed present on that song in other places...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 14, 2008, 10:25:09 AM
OK, I have a good story about SIP that pretty much sums it up for that record, regardless of how individual BBs fans may feel.

Back when it came out I was working at a place that did a lot of tape duplications.  I had that cassette at my desk lying around and one day I came in and the head of AV (who was also a musician) said to me, "hey, I had to test out the new tape machine and so I borrowed that Beach Boys album you had."

"Yeah?  That's cool."

"Yeah...that album man...wow."  And he made a really stinky face, like he was disappointed in me that I would have something like that within a mile of any listening device.  And I was SO embarassed.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 14, 2008, 06:17:24 PM
:lol How'd you respond?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 14, 2008, 06:58:48 PM
:lol How'd you respond?

I think I fell through a crack in the floor and vanished.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on February 15, 2008, 06:23:44 AM
I've already said how I dislike SiP. This is due to it's reputation and a dream in which I listened to the first two tracks which in the dream sounded dismal and sad. I woke up before the third track significantly. Was that a warning not to buy the album I wonder?

Something completely different: The thread about "Good Vibrations" versions reminded me that the early version included on the "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" twofer, I recently thought, must be sung by both Carl and Brian. The verses don't sound like Brian. They sound like Carl singing louder than on the originally released version (rather like the last version of "God Only Knows" on the "Pet Sounds Sessions"). But the choruses, after the "I hope it's" that leads into them, I suppose are Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: mikeyj on February 15, 2008, 06:52:13 AM
OK, I have a good story about SIP that pretty much sums it up for that record, regardless of how individual BBs fans may feel.

Back when it came out I was working at a place that did a lot of tape duplications.  I had that cassette at my desk lying around and one day I came in and the head of AV (who was also a musician) said to me, "hey, I had to test out the new tape machine and so I borrowed that Beach Boys album you had."

"Yeah?  That's cool."

"Yeah...that album man...wow."  And he made a really stinky face, like he was disappointed in me that I would have something like that within a mile of any listening device.  And I was SO embarassed.

I have had a similar experience when my friend was browsing through my iTunes and must have thought, "well I know Michael likes the Beach Boys so much, so I'll listen to one of their songs".. and so out of all the Beach Boys I have on my iTunes (well over a thousand files).. he clicks on "Summer Of Love".. and then I walked back in the room and thought "out of all the tracks why did he have to play that one?".. Probably just means that he will never become a Beach Boys fan now after hearing that one. Makes me wish I never bought Summer In Paradise in the first place or atleast didn't have it on my iTunes, although I like to have everything on there as like many others I'm a bit of a completist.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 15, 2008, 02:59:33 PM
OK, I have a good story about SIP that pretty much sums it up for that record, regardless of how individual BBs fans may feel.

Back when it came out I was working at a place that did a lot of tape duplications.  I had that cassette at my desk lying around and one day I came in and the head of AV (who was also a musician) said to me, "hey, I had to test out the new tape machine and so I borrowed that Beach Boys album you had."

"Yeah?  That's cool."

"Yeah...that album man...wow."  And he made a really stinky face, like he was disappointed in me that I would have something like that within a mile of any listening device.  And I was SO embarassed.

I have had a similar experience when my friend was browsing through my iTunes and must have thought, "well I know Michael likes the Beach Boys so much, so I'll listen to one of their songs".. and so out of all the Beach Boys I have on my iTunes (well over a thousand files).. he clicks on "Summer Of Love".. and then I walked back in the room and thought "out of all the tracks why did he have to play that one?".. Probably just means that he will never become a Beach Boys fan now after hearing that one. Makes me wish I never bought Summer In Paradise in the first place or atleast didn't have it on my iTunes, although I like to have everything on there as like many others I'm a bit of a completist.

See?  That's just what I'm saying.  By acknowedging that album exists, we're doing the Beach Boys a disservice.  Maybe we could put that in a very poorly linked section that nobody can find.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on February 15, 2008, 03:07:07 PM
Geeze, you guys are so harsh.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on February 15, 2008, 03:18:42 PM
Something completely different: The thread about "Good Vibrations" versions reminded me that the early version included on the "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" twofer, I recently thought, must be sung by both Carl and Brian. The verses don't sound like Brian. They sound like Carl singing louder than on the originally released version (rather like the last version of "God Only Knows" on the "Pet Sounds Sessions"). But the choruses, after the "I hope it's" that leads into them, I suppose are Brian.

I see what you're saying, but considering that it was just an early working version, I think its all Brian.  No reason for Carl to sing on something that was pretty clearly a demo vocal. 

I do hear a bit of Carl in the singing, that I'll give you.  I just don't think it is.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Wilsonista on February 15, 2008, 03:25:54 PM
OK, I have a good story about SIP that pretty much sums it up for that record, regardless of how individual BBs fans may feel.

Back when it came out I was working at a place that did a lot of tape duplications.  I had that cassette at my desk lying around and one day I came in and the head of AV (who was also a musician) said to me, "hey, I had to test out the new tape machine and so I borrowed that Beach Boys album you had."

"Yeah?  That's cool."

"Yeah...that album man...wow."  And he made a really stinky face, like he was disappointed in me that I would have something like that within a mile of any listening device.  And I was SO embarassed.

I have had a similar experience when my friend was browsing through my iTunes and must have thought, "well I know Michael likes the Beach Boys so much, so I'll listen to one of their songs".. and so out of all the Beach Boys I have on my iTunes (well over a thousand files).. he clicks on "Summer Of Love".. and then I walked back in the room and thought "out of all the tracks why did he have to play that one?".. Probably just means that he will never become a Beach Boys fan now after hearing that one. Makes me wish I never bought Summer In Paradise in the first place or atleast didn't have it on my iTunes, although I like to have everything on there as like many others I'm a bit of a completist.

I can top both of you and Adam, remembering T jokingly referring to Forever as "her favorite John Stamos song" reminded me of this.

I was working at a chain record store when SIP came out. I went into work the morning after the Stamos version of Forever had been featured on a Full House episode (it had been featured in a few episodes of that show). A middle-aged woman and her mentally challenged son came into the store. I go up to them and ask if I could help them find whatever they're looking for. The mom asks "do you have that song that Uncle Jesse from Full House sang?" I sing a few bars and they both go  "that's it!" I point them to a copy of SIP. The mom and the kid get into a heated (and I mean heated discussion". The kid practically throws a temper tanturm the size of China.
  "No!"
 "But the nice young man says that song is on here. He doesn't look like he could tell a lie."
"NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  (By this point people are staring at us).

She meekly hands the product back to me and apoloizes. "I' don't  think he wants it. It actually has to have his (Stamos')picture on the cover before he'd (the kid) would want it". With that Mom and kid left the store. Within a couple of weeks, I lost my job and within a month the store closed.

Depressing, huh?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 15, 2008, 04:02:08 PM
Quote
DEnnis was horrible.
JOHN STAMOS SINGS FOREVER MUCH;MUCH BETTER!!!

A comment I found on YouTube under a video of the John Stamos version of Forever...  >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 15, 2008, 06:21:27 PM
Jeez...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: the captain on February 15, 2008, 06:26:28 PM
I find Stamos the least offensive part of the Stamos version. Virtually anyone here given a chance to be a part of a Beach Boys recording would jump at it. The Beach Boys (meaning the corporate entity as much as, if not more than, the guys) are to blame for that piece of sh*t, just as they are for pretty much all of their garbage "new product" of the past 25-30 years.

Sorry. (Not sorry.) But I promise you, if someone calls me and says I can take time off my day job to record "Day in the Life of a Tree" with Mike & Bruce, I'm going to do it.

And I expect that call any time.

Gotta go--the phone's ringing!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on February 16, 2008, 01:20:33 AM
I find Stamos the least offensive part of the Stamos version. Virtually anyone here given a chance to be a part of a Beach Boys recording would jump at it. The Beach Boys (meaning the corporate entity as much as, if not more than, the guys) are to blame for that piece of merda, just as they are for pretty much all of their garbage "new product" of the past 25-30 years.

I agree...Stamos takes a lot of the rap for it, but his singing didn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that they turned a sensitive, understated song into a "power ballad".  Had they stayed true to the original arrangement/production style, I don't think it would have been half bad.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 16, 2008, 02:15:34 AM
Virtually anyone here given a chance to be a part of a Beach Boys recording would jump at it.

I agree, you can't really blame Stamos for anything. I even like his version of Forever. It probably just shouldn't have been released under the Beach Boys name. Cause now it's officially a 'remake' and people will always keep comparing it to the original. But I think it's good for what it really is - a cover version.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 16, 2008, 06:54:25 AM
Quote
DEnnis was horrible.
JOHN STAMOS SINGS FOREVER MUCH;MUCH BETTER!!!

A comment I found on YouTube under a video of the John Stamos version of Forever...  >:( >:( >:(

Youtube comments are the lowest on the foodchain, internet-comment-wise.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on February 16, 2008, 06:59:03 AM
John..just a question. I have enjoyed this thread so much and I know SIP is the last real album.  What do we do next? Do we do Stars and Stripes? Did we do all of the live albums yet? ( I can't remember)?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 16, 2008, 10:46:11 AM
I think we should maybe do Stars And Stripes and then call it a day. We've done all the live albums, I think.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on February 16, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
Stars and Stripes is pretty obvious who's singing lead... right?

We can also do Songs From Here and Back.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 16, 2008, 12:43:57 PM
We could make up albums the Beach Boys should have done in the '90s.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on February 16, 2008, 01:13:18 PM
Stars and Stripes is pretty obvious who's singing lead... right?

We can also do Songs From Here and Back.

I vote to do that one too (I haven't got it but I'm interested).

The only other thing I can think of is that maybe some of the demos and alternate versions (e.g. on the "Pet Sounds Sessions") haven't been done. Is it worth doing them?

Something completely different: The thread about "Good Vibrations" versions reminded me that the early version included on the "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" twofer, I recently thought, must be sung by both Carl and Brian. The verses don't sound like Brian. They sound like Carl singing louder than on the originally released version (rather like the last version of "God Only Knows" on the "Pet Sounds Sessions"). But the choruses, after the "I hope it's" that leads into them, I suppose are Brian.

I see what you're saying, but considering that it was just an early working version, I think its all Brian.  No reason for Carl to sing on something that was pretty clearly a demo vocal. 

I do hear a bit of Carl in the singing, that I'll give you.  I just don't think it is.

I see your point about it being a demo. But perhaps Carl was there too. I think there are other demos that feature more than just Brian singing. In fact I'm not sure if the "Little Deuce Coupe" demo has been mentioned, but that has several group members singing in unison.

Another (maybe) point in favour of Carl on GV, is that at one point in the first chorus Brian sings falsetto background while another part sings "Good, good, good, good vibrations" (although on this one bit I can't tell who sings it).



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 16, 2008, 01:38:18 PM
Stars and Stripes is pretty obvious who's singing lead... right?

We can also do Songs From Here and Back.

I vote to do that one too (I haven't got it but I'm interested).

The only other thing I can think of is that maybe some of the demos and alternate versions (e.g. on the "Pet Sounds Sessions") haven't been done. Is it worth doing them?

Something completely different: The thread about "Good Vibrations" versions reminded me that the early version included on the "Smiley Smile/Wild Honey" twofer, I recently thought, must be sung by both Carl and Brian. The verses don't sound like Brian. They sound like Carl singing louder than on the originally released version (rather like the last version of "God Only Knows" on the "Pet Sounds Sessions"). But the choruses, after the "I hope it's" that leads into them, I suppose are Brian.

I see what you're saying, but considering that it was just an early working version, I think its all Brian.  No reason for Carl to sing on something that was pretty clearly a demo vocal. 

I do hear a bit of Carl in the singing, that I'll give you.  I just don't think it is.

I see your point about it being a demo. But perhaps Carl was there too. I think there are other demos that feature more than just Brian singing. In fact I'm not sure if the "Little Deuce Coupe" demo has been mentioned, but that has several group members singing in unison.

Another (maybe) point in favour of Carl on GV, is that at one point in the first chorus Brian sings falsetto background while another part sings "Good, good, good, good vibrations" (although on this one bit I can't tell who sings it).



FWIW, the 2fer booklet says "all vocals by Brian Wilson", which is a very reasonable supposition as they're just scratch vocals. The source for this is apparently Chuck Britz.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on February 17, 2008, 10:30:09 AM
Thanks, AGD. I admit that weakens my case considerably. It would certainly be reasonable to assume Brian from the "external" evidence, so to speak. But I still hear Carl. Listening again I think the verses could be Carl and Brian together. But anyway there were "demos" (or whatever they are) that featured Beach Boys other than Brian. And perhaps Brian taught the words and tune to Carl and then they sang it as a demo for the other members. In "Can't Wait Too Long" some teaching is going on even while recording.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 17, 2008, 12:38:55 PM
I think the "Lost & Found"/Hite Morgan songs haven't been done yet...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 20, 2008, 07:52:54 AM
Are we happy about "Summer In Paradise" - is it all correct?

P.S. Good Vibes demo is just Brian to my ears but I an't make my mind up about WIBN - the "echo" on the "married"  line sounds like Carl, but the "happy" line sounds like Al.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on February 20, 2008, 09:40:23 AM
Are we happy about "Summer In Paradise" - is it all correct?

I'm not happy about it at all, but I imagine we got the vocals about right, anyway.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 20, 2008, 10:32:57 AM
I'm happy I'll never have to listen to the damn thing ever again.

Delerious, in fact.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 20, 2008, 11:52:08 AM
Are we happy about "Summer In Paradise" - is it all correct?

I'm not happy about it at all, but I imagine we got the vocals about right, anyway.

That's all I ask. :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 20, 2008, 12:16:37 PM
I think I interpreted it right, but now it's up, it'll be easier to correct. Why don't you all listen to it again just to make sure...;)


Also, who sings Problem Child?  and is that it for that era?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on February 20, 2008, 12:49:57 PM
I'm happy I'll never have to listen to the damn thing ever again.

...Until you're called to write the liner notes for the Still Cruisin' / SIP two-fer, that is.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on February 20, 2008, 03:50:36 PM
Summer In Paradise:


1.    Hot Fun In The Summertime              - Mike and Carl, with Adrian Baker singing a line
2.    Surfin'                                           - Mike and Carl
3.    Summer Of Love                              - Mike
4.    Island Fever                                      - Mike (verses, choruses) with Carl (last line of choruses), Alan on "I got it bad" line 1
5.    Still Surfin'                                          - Mike, with Adrian Baker (falsetto vocal)
6.    Slow Summer Dancin' (One Summer Night)    - Bruce (verses) and Alan (choruses)
7.    Strange Things Happen                    - Mike (verses), Alan on the "Every time I touch my baby" lines, Carl on the wordless vocal part
8.    Remember (Walkin' In The Sand)         - Carl (verses, choruses), Alan (choruses), and Mike (bass vocal)
9.    Lahina Aloha                                    - Mike (verses, choruses), Carl (choruses)
10.  Under The Boardwalk                        - Mike (intro, verses, bridge, outro) and Carl (choruses)
11.  Summer In Paradise                          - Mike
12.  Forever                                           - John Stamos, with Mike on the "Together my love" and Carl on the harmonies and the tag

Bonus Tracks:

13.  Island Fever (UK version)                - Mike (verses, last line of choruses), Alan (choruses), with Terry Melcher ("I got it bad!") 2
14.  Under The Boardwalk (UK version)  - Mike (intro, verses, outro, bridge bass vocal), Carl (choruses), Alan (bridge)
15.  Summer In Paradise   (UK version)  - Mike (1st verse) and Roger McGuinn (2nd verse)
16.  Crocodile Rock                              - Alan and Carl

1  Prominent back-up: Bruce on high harmony.
2  Prominent back-up: Carl on high harmony.

This looks right.  Re Problem Child, I think that was around 1991.  Carl sings lead with Alan and Mike on the vocals also.  I'd have to go back and listen to be more specific


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Beach Boy on February 22, 2008, 12:10:08 PM
"Problem Child" is from 1990.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on February 25, 2008, 12:23:17 AM
Virtually anyone here given a chance to be a part of a Beach Boys recording would jump at it.

I agree, you can't really blame Stamos for anything. I even like his version of Forever. It probably just shouldn't have been released under the Beach Boys name. Cause now it's officially a 'remake' and people will always keep comparing it to the original. But I think it's good for what it really is - a cover version.
There was a promo radio cd single released that credits it as "John Stamos featuring The Beach Boys".  ::)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on February 25, 2008, 09:47:49 AM
People always compare cover versions to the original.

And hey, Stars and Stripes was released under the Beach Boys name, and that's FULL of outside artists doing covers.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 26, 2008, 05:40:21 AM
There are a few songs still missing:

Luau
What Is A Young Girl Made Of?
Barbie
Judy
Lavender
Lady Liberty
Don't Worry, Baby (w/ The Everly Brothers)
Fun, Fun, Fun (w/ Status Quo)
All Alone
Brian's Back
Lonely Days
Sail Plane Song
Karen

+ the Stars & Stripes tracks (prominent back-ups?)
+ the Songs From Here & Back live tracks
+ the Beach Boys tracks from Fourth Of July: A Rockin’ Celebration Of America


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 26, 2008, 09:33:46 AM
Luau - group (Mike up front), Dennis ("Girls will all hula/boys will all sing"), Brian (middle eight)
What Is A Young Girl Made Of? - Brian
Barbie - brian (bvs - Carl, Alan, Audree & (allegedly) Val Poliuto)
Judy - Brian
Lavender - group
Lady Liberty - Alan
Don't Worry, Baby (w/ The Everly Brothers)
Fun, Fun, Fun (w/ Status Quo)
All Alone - Dennis
Brian's Back - Mike (falsetto - Carl)
Lonely Days - Carl, Bruce
Sail Plane Song - Brian
Karen - Mike


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on February 26, 2008, 09:47:37 AM
What on earth is "Karen"? I haven't heard of that one.

I totally agree with the rest, but I would add Alan to "Lonely Days" because he sings the final section in harmony with Bruce.

And does anyone know who is singing falsetto parts on "Songs from Here and Back"? Is that Jeff Foskett?

And finally, has the live medley on the "Endless Harmony" soundtrack been done? I noticed that Al sings all Brian's falsettos on that. (I love that medley, by the way-especially the "phony start").


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 26, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
There are a few songs still missing:

Luau
What Is A Young Girl Made Of?
Barbie
Judy
Lavender

I was just kinda sticking with the Capitol albums, but...

Quote
Fun, Fun, Fun (w/ Status Quo)

Ugh. Also, we're not up to that yet.

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All Alone
Brian's Back

Yeah, I was kind of considering them solo tracks.

Quote
Lonely Days
Sail Plane Song

Didn't we do these? I'll have to check.

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Karen

Not really officially released on an album.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 26, 2008, 11:19:23 AM
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Karen

Not really officially released on an album.

Yes it is.  ;D

TVT Records  TVT 1600-2     Television's Greatest Hits, Black & White Classics Volume 4
 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 26, 2008, 11:25:31 AM
Heh. How 'bout that. Where should it go, ALL SUMMER LONG, right?

Added Lonely Days to Wild Honey and Sail Plane to 20/20, btw. Also Lady Liberty to Still Cruisin'. I'll put All Alone and Brian's Back into L.A. Light.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: NHC on February 26, 2008, 12:42:57 PM
What on earth is "Karen"? I haven't heard of that one.).

Theme song they did for a short-lived teen sit-com around 1964-65. I watched the episodes just to hear the one-minute or so version of the song, like my sister did for Secret Agent Man (Johnny Rivers).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 26, 2008, 01:18:48 PM
Lady Liberty - Alan

Carl also sings a verse.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 26, 2008, 01:20:50 PM
Quote
Karen

Not really officially released on an album.

Yes it is.  ;D

TVT Records  TVT 1600-2     Television's Greatest Hits, Black & White Classics Volume 4
 

It was also on this Japanese compilation:

Still I Dream Of You: Rare Works of Brian Wilson
M&M Enterprises, MMCD409 [CD Only]; Released 1993


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on February 26, 2008, 01:47:47 PM
As far as "Barbie" goes, I've always been curious as to who the background vocals are.  Obviously Brian is the lead, and I would assume that the backing vocals are Mike, David and Carl, but the sound is so different from almost all other BB songs, so I really can't say for sure.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: southbay on February 26, 2008, 01:59:08 PM


And does anyone know who is singing falsetto parts on "Songs from Here and Back"? Is that Jeff Foskett?


You mean the '89 live tracks?  Yes, that is Foskett.  For the '74 live tracks, I would have to listen again. I presume the majority from that era would be Jardine


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 26, 2008, 09:07:51 PM
Lady Liberty - Alan

Carl also sings a verse.

Correct - i really didn't want to have to listen to that again, so did it from memory.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 26, 2008, 09:10:28 PM
As far as "Barbie" goes, I've always been curious as to who the background vocals are.  Obviously Brian is the lead, and I would assume that the backing vocals are Mike, David and Carl, but the sound is so different from almost all other BB songs, so I really can't say for sure.

The bvs on "Barbie" have been accurately documented for close to 30 years. They are Brian, Carl, Alan, Audree and possibly Val Poliuto.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on February 26, 2008, 09:20:49 PM
As far as "Barbie" goes, I've always been curious as to who the background vocals are.  Obviously Brian is the lead, and I would assume that the backing vocals are Mike, David and Carl, but the sound is so different from almost all other BB songs, so I really can't say for sure.

The bvs on "Barbie" have been accurately documented for close to 30 years. They are Brian, Carl, Alan, Audree and possibly Val Poliuto.

Thanks Andrew, I totally didn't know that.  I got two right anyways...Brian I should have figured, but Audree I would have never guessed.

Who is/was Val Poliuto?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 26, 2008, 11:44:55 PM
Who is/was Val Poliuto?

He sang for a group called The Jaguars:

http://www.answers.com/topic/jaguars-rock-band?cat=entertainment


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 26, 2008, 11:50:01 PM
Karen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlH9HEuXBU8&feature=related


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on February 27, 2008, 07:41:52 AM
Wow, why have I never heard about Karen before? That's so cool the Beach Boys did a TV theme song.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ian on February 27, 2008, 09:15:05 AM
Ths show only lasted a season and the group never put out their version on an album. I looked into this and could find no AFM sheet for this session-which had to be recorded in the late Spring or early Summer of 1964. The only AFM for the song in the union archives is for the Surfaris version.  Someday paperwork will turn up that shows when the group was contracted to record a song-but for now the exact date of this session is a mystery.  A two sided acetate of Karen was sold at auction a year ago


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 27, 2008, 11:13:10 AM
ALL SUMMER LONG it is then.

Last call for "Problem Child", folks! Who sings it?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: NHC on February 27, 2008, 12:18:43 PM
i never thought about this before until seeing the closing credits clip for Karen on youtube, where the Beach Boys are credited with performing the theme song.  Did they write it as well (Brian/Mike)?  I always figured for 44 years it was a BB composition.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 27, 2008, 12:31:06 PM
The song was written by Bob Mosner & Jack Marshall.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 27, 2008, 12:40:24 PM
ALL SUMMER LONG it is then.

Last call for "Problem Child", folks! Who sings it?

Mostly Carl, Mike takes the last line of each verse. Alan's prominent in the chorus.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 28, 2008, 02:11:48 AM
Suggestion: Luau, Lavender, Judy, Barbie, What Is A Young Girl Made Of, Beach Boys Stomp and the early versions of Surfin', Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl could be added to the Surfin' Safari bonus tracks...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 28, 2008, 03:26:25 AM
Suggestion: Luau, Lavender, Judy, Barbie, What Is A Young Girl Made Of, Beach Boys Stomp and the early versions of Surfin', Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl could be added to the Surfin' Safari bonus tracks...

Or... they could be included on an album called, oh, I don't know - how about Lost and Found (1961-1961)  ?  ::)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on February 28, 2008, 05:47:00 AM
Suggestion: Luau, Lavender, Judy, Barbie, What Is A Young Girl Made Of, Beach Boys Stomp and the early versions of Surfin', Surfin' Safari and Surfer Girl could be added to the Surfin' Safari bonus tracks...

Or... they could be included on an album called, oh, I don't know - how about Lost and Found (1961-1961)  ?  ::)

Yeah, but so far this has been studio and live albums only and no compilations. So adding them to Surfin' Safari as bonus tracks seems more consistent... Otherwise you could also do Rarities, Endless Harmony, Hawthorne CA, Ultimate Christmas and the GV box set and delete pretty much all of the bonus tracks...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on February 28, 2008, 10:20:30 AM
I think we could do it as Lost and Found at the end as a special case.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on March 03, 2008, 05:28:25 PM
A couple of things I'm not sure about from the Surf's Up album.  I was always sure the falsetto just before the tag in 'Til I Die was Brian.  It doesn't sound like Carl at any rate.  And with the title track, isn't it Brian on the tag?  I heard something about it being slightly sped up considering the range he sang it on, but I've never heard of Al doing it even if I can see it sounds like him.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: mikeyj on March 03, 2008, 05:42:22 PM
A couple of things I'm not sure about from the Surf's Up album.  I was always sure the falsetto just before the tag in 'Til I Die was Brian.  It doesn't sound like Carl at any rate.  And with the title track, isn't it Brian on the tag?  I heard something about it being slightly sped up considering the range he sang it on, but I've never heard of Al doing it even if I can see it sounds like him.

Not sure I agree with you on Surf's Up. It's Al to me. But you could be right. As for 'Til I Die, if you are talking about the bit "Until I Die" just before the tag, then yes that is Brian to my ears as well. Is that the part you mean? Firstly it just sounds like Brian. And secondly there is that session outtake where Brian+Carl are overdubbing vocals and you can cleary hear that it's Brian. And then they both go into their falsettos for the backing vocals on the tag. Incredible!! :o


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on March 03, 2008, 06:18:01 PM
Not sure I agree with you on Surf's Up. It's Al to me. But you could be right. As for 'Til I Die, if you are talking about the bit "Until I Die" just before the tag, then yes that is Brian to my ears as well. Is that the part you mean? Firstly it just sounds like Brian. And secondly there is that session outtake where Brian+Carl are overdubbing vocals and you can cleary hear that it's Brian. And then they both go into their falsettos for the backing vocals on the tag. Incredible!! :o
If I didn't know any information on the Surf's Up tag, I could go either way on Brian or Al.  It just made me wonder because every source I've seen lists the tag as a 1971 Brian.  It was something like Brian didn't want to work on the session, Carl did most of it, but then when it came time to recording he was there to sing it.  I can see the similarities to it in vocal quality with the lead moments Brian has on Break Away (BA- "That Very Same Love" vs. SU - "Have You Listened").

'Til I Die I was already pretty sure about, but was just caught offguard when in this thread it was listed as Carl.  That moment in the song has to be one of my all-time favorite BB moments!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: mikeyj on March 03, 2008, 06:52:02 PM
If I didn't know any information on the Surf's Up tag, I could go either way on Brian or Al.  It just made me wonder because every source I've seen lists the tag as a 1971 Brian.  It was something like Brian didn't want to work on the session, Carl did most of it, but then when it came time to recording he was there to sing it.  I can see the similarities to it in vocal quality with the lead moments Brian has on Break Away (BA- "That Very Same Love" vs. SU - "Have You Listened").

'Til I Die I was already pretty sure about, but was just caught offguard when in this thread it was listed as Carl.  That moment in the song has to be one of my all-time favorite BB moments!

Hmm, now you have made me think twice about that. I don't have the track available at the moment as I'm not at home, but you could be right in regards to Surf's Up. I'm still pretty sure it's Al but as we all know, Brian+Al can sound REALLY similar at times.

I agree TTGA, that part in 'Til I Die sends a shiver down my spine every time. Especially on that vocal session since there is no music audible. Incredible stuff.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on March 03, 2008, 07:19:42 PM
Hmm, now you have made me think twice about that. I don't have the track available at the moment as I'm not at home, but you could be right in regards to Surf's Up. I'm still pretty sure it's Al but as we all know, Brian+Al can sound REALLY similar at times.

I agree TTGA, that part in 'Til I Die sends a shiver down my spine every time. Especially on that vocal session since there is no music audible. Incredible stuff.
I haven't heard it in a bit either, so I'll revisit it.  The amount of history on that part I've heard on the actual 1971 sessions just make me wonder how it could be anything else.

I'm glad someone else shares the feelings.  I'd have to give other moments like the middle of ASMTYD and TTGA (inspiring my name).


Another part I thought I would revisit was "...Mess of Help...".  I was pretty confident the maniacal background harmony on the main part of the song was Brian, even though that really threw me off the first time.  I'm basing a lot of that on what I've heard, and if I didn't know otherwise it could very well have been something else.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on March 03, 2008, 07:29:55 PM
As far as "Surf's Up" goes, I'm almost positive it's Al singing lead on the tag.  The vocal inflections are just so "Al", although Brian was singing a bit differently around that time period, and of course as the story goes, he rushed down to the studio and tought the tag to the group, so who knows?

And with "Til' I Die", I'd say the part you are talking about has to be Brian.  Again, the vocal inflections tell me it can't be Carl...always sounded like Brian to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on March 03, 2008, 09:41:38 PM
You Need A Mess Of Help is Brian, Mike said so in a 1972 interview. Til I Die is certainly Brian because I heard a version of the song they played on a 2-71 broadcast and all of Brian solo lines were not on there yet. That includes the ending Til I Die bit. Surf's Up is hard because Desper remembers Brian doing it, and it being a big moment for him as he conqured a fear. It sure sounds like Al though.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 03, 2008, 10:05:14 PM
You Need A Mess Of Help is Brian, Mike said so in a 1972 interview. Til I Die is certainly Brian because I heard a version of the song they played on a 2-71 broadcast and all of Brian solo lines were not on there yet. That includes the ending Til I Die bit. Surf's Up is hard because Desper remembers Brian doing it, and it being a big moment for him as he conqured a fear. It sure sounds like Al though.

It is Alan. Someone asked him, and he said it was... more to the point, someone else isolated out the vocal on the multitrack - and it was Alan. Brian came down and sang a part on the tag... but not the 'lead'.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on March 04, 2008, 09:15:44 AM
You Need A Mess Of Help is Brian, Mike said so in a 1972 interview. Til I Die is certainly Brian because I heard a version of the song they played on a 2-71 broadcast and all of Brian solo lines were not on there yet. That includes the ending Til I Die bit. Surf's Up is hard because Desper remembers Brian doing it, and it being a big moment for him as he conqured a fear. It sure sounds like Al though.

It is Alan. Someone asked him, and he said it was... more to the point, someone else isolated out the vocal on the multitrack - and it was Alan. Brian came down and sang a part on the tag... but not the 'lead'.

AGD, are you referring to the tag on Surf's Up or Till I Die? The last few posts have made it kid of hard for me to follow. I use to think the tag on SU was Mike.  :lol

Al is like a beach boy chameleon.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 04, 2008, 10:05:39 AM
I'm talking about "SU" - "A children's song..." etc is Alan. Not Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on March 04, 2008, 10:08:26 AM
Ok, thats what I thought. Thanks AGD.  :smokin


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on March 04, 2008, 11:34:01 AM
A couple of things I'm not sure about from the Surf's Up album.  I was always sure the falsetto just before the tag in 'Til I Die was Brian.  It doesn't sound like Carl at any rate.  And with the title track, isn't it Brian on the tag?  I heard something about it being slightly sped up considering the range he sang it on, but I've never heard of Al doing it even if I can see it sounds like him.

Yeah. the "Until I Die" in falsetto just before the tag IS Brian. Carl is the main voice singing the title phrase DURING the tag, which is what I've listed. Maybe I should clarify that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on March 04, 2008, 06:52:14 PM
A couple of things I'm not sure about from the Surf's Up album.  I was always sure the falsetto just before the tag in 'Til I Die was Brian.  It doesn't sound like Carl at any rate.  And with the title track, isn't it Brian on the tag?  I heard something about it being slightly sped up considering the range he sang it on, but I've never heard of Al doing it even if I can see it sounds like him.

Yeah. the "Until I Die" in falsetto just before the tag IS Brian. Carl is the main voice singing the title phrase DURING the tag, which is what I've listed. Maybe I should clarify that.
Okay, that makes sense then. ;D

I'm still not sure if I'll be completely convinced on Surf's Up.  Claims by the people themselves have been contradictory before, so much so that I'm almost more inclined to follow third-person observation.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on March 04, 2008, 08:29:19 PM
You Need A Mess Of Help is Brian, Mike said so in a 1972 interview. Til I Die is certainly Brian because I heard a version of the song they played on a 2-71 broadcast and all of Brian solo lines were not on there yet. That includes the ending Til I Die bit. Surf's Up is hard because Desper remembers Brian doing it, and it being a big moment for him as he conqured a fear. It sure sounds like Al though.

We dissected Mess of Help at great length waaay back in this thread, even to the point of having Alan Boyd pull the track sheets to figure out who were the folks on the multiple lead vocal.  I'd also wondered based on Mike's interview and the odd/crazy double tracking if the second voice might be Brian's, but after looking at it pretty carefully we were pretty certain that the two main voices were both Carl's.  We didn't rule out there being a third voice that might be Brian's, however.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on March 04, 2008, 11:16:58 PM
No I didn't mean the lead that's Carl all the way, just the high pitched oohs and ahhs are Brian/


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on March 05, 2008, 02:27:27 AM
No I didn't mean the lead that's Carl all the way, just the high pitched oohs and ahhs are Brian/

Gotcha.  You're probably right about that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on March 05, 2008, 02:41:12 AM
The "Surf's up" tag is definitely Al in my opinion.
"Until I die" falsetto is Brian, just as we all agree.
"Mess of help": two Carl leads, plus two other voices. No. 3 is crazy and gritty and sticks to the tune most of the time although parting company at the end of the last verse. No. 4 is a high harmony in the background. Nos. 3 or 4 (or both) could possibly be Brian, but listening again, they all sound like Carl to me (check out No. 3 at the end of the first verse and No. 4 on "voice to sing"). Brian certainly might be singing "oohs" and "aahs".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on March 05, 2008, 08:18:14 AM
I suppose the YNAMOFTSA Brian voice I was thinking about was the 3rd one (which has been mentioned as parting with the rest).  I had heard Brian was intentionally singing it in the gritty tone it is.  I can see how it sounds like Carl, but just from the numerous places I've heard it mentioned I was sure it's Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on March 05, 2008, 07:26:10 PM
Looking back there's another I wasn't sure about.  For the closeup of She's Goin' Bald, I was confident Dennis did "You're Too Late Mama" ending, rather than Mike.  Any insight into this?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Emdeeh on March 05, 2008, 08:54:42 PM
Quote from: signum
"Mess of help": two Carl leads, plus two other voices. No. 3 is crazy and gritty and sticks to the tune most of the time although parting company at the end of the last verse. No. 4 is a high harmony in the background. Nos. 3 or 4 (or both) could possibly be Brian, but listening again, they all sound like Carl to me (check out No. 3 at the end of the first verse and No. 4 on "voice to sing"). Brian certainly might be singing "oohs" and "aahs".

Two Carls and one Blondie. Carl's singing one of the gritty parts as well as the top lead.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on March 06, 2008, 12:44:22 AM
Quote from: signum
"Mess of help": two Carl leads, plus two other voices. No. 3 is crazy and gritty and sticks to the tune most of the time although parting company at the end of the last verse. No. 4 is a high harmony in the background. Nos. 3 or 4 (or both) could possibly be Brian, but listening again, they all sound like Carl to me (check out No. 3 at the end of the first verse and No. 4 on "voice to sing"). Brian certainly might be singing "oohs" and "aahs".

Two Carls and one Blondie. Carl's singing one of the gritty parts as well as the top lead.


Are you saying the high harmony (my No. 4) is Blondie? I think it's possible. I say there are four voices because Nos. 1 and 2 are just a relatively normal double-tracked vocal from Carl: you might be counting these as one lead, since they blend together most of the time. No. 3 is the only really gritty one and sticks out by not being exactly together with the leads, and by being crazy and gritty. No. 4 is not particularly gritty but is a bit loose. It is often inaudible in the mix.

Looking back there's another I wasn't sure about.  For the closeup of She's Goin' Bald, I was confident Dennis did "You're Too Late Mama" ending, rather than Mike.  Any insight into this?

That ending is definitely Mike. Even the falsetto bits-"Upside your head".



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Post by: Chris Brown on March 06, 2008, 07:16:32 AM
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That ending is definitely Mike. Even the falsetto bits-"Upside your head".

Really, you think even the falsetto is Mike?  I'd have to listen again but I always thought that was Brian.  I guess I don't really know what Mike's falsetto would sound like, so it could be.  I'm just not sure though...obviously the rest is Mike, you're definitely right on that.


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Post by: John on March 06, 2008, 07:50:16 AM
It's Mike and Brian.

We pored over these things, put the bootlegs on, got the tracksheets in some instances, we really did debate the hell out of it.


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Post by: TimeToGetAlone on March 06, 2008, 09:15:02 AM
I can agree with She's Goin' Bald now I suppose, but I refuse the Al on Surf's Up. :lol


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Post by: signum on March 06, 2008, 09:44:04 AM
I suppose the YNAMOFTSA Brian voice I was thinking about was the 3rd one (which has been mentioned as parting with the rest).  I had heard Brian was intentionally singing it in the gritty tone it is.  I can see how it sounds like Carl, but just from the numerous places I've heard it mentioned I was sure it's Brian.

I wish I knew if it was Brian or Carl. I've just listened again to the last line of verse 3 where the 3rd voice seems to take over and become the loudest, but I can't identify the voice at all. It sounds not as I'd expect from Brian, but even less from Carl because it sounds like a different sort of voice than his. Since it is practically shouted though, I suppose it could even be Carl.

It's Mike and Brian.

We pored over these things, put the bootlegs on, got the tracksheets in some instances, we really did debate the hell out of it.

Yes I agree, John. It's Mike more prominently but also Brian. It might be an instance like Mike joining in with Brian's falsetto  on the " "Cassius" Love" track.

We hadn't discussed that particular part though as I remember (although I wasn't around anyway at the time).

I must confess I'm not happy with just leaving "She's Goin' bald" as it is either. I think a few tracks were complicated and we didn't quite get them sorted out. For instance I would like to put forward Al for the fist spoken line in the track, and Bruce for the fifth sung line (or half-line before Mike) although he certainly sounds weird (deliberately I presume).


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Post by: John on March 06, 2008, 09:46:35 AM
I'll have another listen, but I'm sure the talking is just Brian - including that first line - and Mike; and Dennis and Al are the only people to get a line otherwise in the singing bit.


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Post by: signum on March 06, 2008, 09:55:47 AM
This is my take on the spoken lines:

Alan: "She drew a comb" etc
Mike: "I tried to salvage" etc
Brian: "She made a bee line" etc
Alan and Mike: "She started pouring" etc (with Mike laughing too much to be as prominent as Alan).


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Post by: John on March 06, 2008, 09:58:48 AM
That "Alan" just sounds like the standard goofy Brian voice to me. I'll check it out though.


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Post by: signum on March 06, 2008, 10:08:47 AM
Ah yes, but there is a hint of reasonableness (even if mock reasonableness) in the voice, like in Al's introduction to "Cassius Love" (which I compared it with).

Whereas Brian's line is completely serious.


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Post by: epi on March 28, 2008, 01:02:48 AM
Hi, I'm a newbie here, and I'm looking forward to get to know you all!  :) First question, on 'A Thing or Two' from WH, is it Bruce singing the last line before the first chorus?


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Post by: TimeToGetAlone on March 28, 2008, 09:01:25 AM
Hi, I'm a newbie here, and I'm looking forward to get to know you all!  :) First question, on 'A Thing or Two' from WH, is it Bruce singing the last line before the first chorus?
Now that one I'm pretty confident to be Carl if I'm thinking of the right part.  Oh wait unless you mean when the title of the song is actually said ("A thing or twoooooo).  In which case scrap the Carl thing. ;)  It might be Mike then, considering the way he sings throughout the rest of that song.


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Post by: John on March 28, 2008, 09:20:14 AM
It's Mike, if I'm thinking about the same thing you are.

And thanks for bumping this. It totally slipped my mind, sorry.


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Post by: epi on March 28, 2008, 11:47:36 AM
I meant 'a thing or twooo' before the first and last choruses, sorry I wasn't clearer. It just sounds like Bruce to me, but you're probably right. How much was actually Bruce involved in WH and SS? I don't hear him anywhere on those albums, I just know he played a organ solo in Wild Honey (song) and bass?


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Post by: TimeToGetAlone on March 28, 2008, 01:27:30 PM
I know he also did the lead vocal for the cover of With A Little Help From My Friends which was from the Wild Honey sessions I thought.  It obviously didn't appear on the album however.


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Post by: John on March 28, 2008, 03:07:37 PM
Bruce wasn't involved much with SS, he played some stuff on WH, and did some lead vocals on outtakes like Lonely Days and With A Little Help...I think sometimes he does sound like Mike.


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Post by: John on March 28, 2008, 03:41:12 PM
After listening to She's Goin' Bald, I really have to stick with the intricately researched and corrected by the board thing that's there. Brian, Mike, Dennis and Al sing the first section and Brian and Mike are the only guys doing the hammy talking bit.


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Post by: signum on March 30, 2008, 01:23:21 PM
I meant 'a thing or twooo' before the first and last choruses, sorry I wasn't clearer. It just sounds like Bruce to me, but you're probably right. How much was actually Bruce involved in WH and SS? I don't hear him anywhere on those albums, I just know he played a organ solo in Wild Honey (song) and bass?

I agree with you epi. In fact I'm certain that that line you mention before the first and last choruses is Bruce. It is not only the "a thing or two" lyrics he sings but "I'm gonna tell that little girl" as well before the first chorus.

Bruce must have been quite involved in "Wild Honey" judging by his vocals. He also is audible on "Let the wind blow" in my opinion-"What would I do without her tell me now" and the last line.

I agree, John, that he can sound like Mike, just that in this case it actually is Bruce on "A thing or two".


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Post by: signum on March 30, 2008, 01:32:36 PM
After listening to She's Goin' Bald, I really have to stick with the intricately researched and corrected by the board thing that's there. Brian, Mike, Dennis and Al sing the first section and Brian and Mike are the only guys doing the hammy talking bit.

Well I have to differ, but I appreciate the fact that a lot of work has already been done on Smiley Smile and Wild Honey. It's just that the more I listen to them, I find more and more difficulties in trying to decide who is singing what. Some of these I have resolved to my own satisfaction and others I haven't.

For example: "Country Air": I actually thought all the falsetto bits were Brian until recently, but the first two that follow the first two choruses come out from the second from top harmony, not the top part! Which creates a difficulty if Brian sings the top part. They also don't sound exactly like Brian.

What I'm saying is that these two albums are very complicated in terms of lead vocals, I expect more so than we thought.


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Post by: John on April 05, 2008, 01:47:52 PM
I meant 'a thing or twooo' before the first and last choruses, sorry I wasn't clearer. It just sounds like Bruce to me, but you're probably right. How much was actually Bruce involved in WH and SS? I don't hear him anywhere on those albums, I just know he played a organ solo in Wild Honey (song) and bass?

I agree with you epi. In fact I'm certain that that line you mention before the first and last choruses is Bruce. It is not only the "a thing or two" lyrics he sings but "I'm gonna tell that little girl" as well before the first chorus.

Bruce must have been quite involved in "Wild Honey" judging by his vocals. He also is audible on "Let the wind blow" in my opinion-"What would I do without her tell me now" and the last line.

I agree, John, that he can sound like Mike, just that in this case it actually is Bruce on "A thing or two".

After listening to it, that does sound like Bruce, particularly the first one. Everyone hit their copy of Wild Honey and see what you think!


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 05, 2008, 11:24:15 PM
It's Bruce on "A Thing Or Two".

Reason #1 - it sounds like him.

reason #2 - I asked him.  ;D


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Post by: John on April 06, 2008, 08:56:11 AM
Okay, changing it now.


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Post by: signum on April 11, 2008, 06:00:19 AM
It's Bruce on "A Thing Or Two".

Reason #1 - it sounds like him.

reason #2 - I asked him.  ;D

Thanks AGD.

Okay, changing it now.

That's great, John.

I've got my own question about "A Thing or Two" for whoever would help: Are all the chorus falsetto lines by Brian?
The only one I find to be obviously Brian is the second of the three. However I can't imagine the first one as anyone but Brian, and the last one might also be Brian but I wonder if instead it could be Bruce?


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Post by: John on April 20, 2008, 01:07:06 PM
Just settled my long-term  crisis of conscience with Keep An Eye On Summer. :D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on May 01, 2008, 05:26:22 AM
Okay, everybody: what's left?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 01, 2008, 10:51:41 AM
Did we do Lost and Found - my memory's not what it once was.


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Post by: John on May 01, 2008, 11:09:44 AM
Ah, no. We'll do that.

Who sings Luau (rehearsal)? Is it Dennis (verses) and Brian (middle-eight)? That's what the regular version is, right?
And Lavender? Close harmony, right? Brian, Mike, Carl and Al? Dennis?

It's been years since I've heard it.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 01, 2008, 01:30:10 PM
Unless someome wants to jump in, I'll give it a go over the weekend... but top of my head, on "Luau" Dennis sings the "girls will all hula/boys will all sing", i.e the middle-eight, and not the verse.


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Post by: John on May 01, 2008, 01:47:52 PM
The way I remember it, Brian sings the bit that goes "You Don' need to live in the islands...", I think. I should re-buy it really.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 01, 2008, 01:53:52 PM
You're not wrong.  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on May 02, 2008, 10:50:45 PM
Should we do "Soul Searchin'" and "Still A Mystery"?


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Post by: c-man on May 03, 2008, 04:55:43 AM
Should we do "Soul Searchin'" and "Still A Mystery"?

Easy enough:

Soul Searchin':   Carl on lead, Mike on bass, other bvs by Brian, Carl, Alan, Bruce, and Matt.  Falsettos sounds to me like Bruce & Matt together.

Still A Mystery:  Brian on lead, Al prominent in the choruses, Mike on the bass vocal, other bvs by Brian (falsetto), Carl, Alan, Bruce, and Matt.

Great job by all the Boys. 


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Post by: John on May 03, 2008, 11:53:28 AM
What should I do, add them to an odds and ends? What about Mike, Dave and Bruce at NASCAR? Does it count (and I don't mean from a quality point of view)?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 03, 2008, 12:40:24 PM
Lost & Found

Luau (demo) - group, Dennis, Brian
Surfin' (demo) - group (Mike - bass vocal), Mike
Surfin' - group, Mike
Luau - group, ? Mike & Dennis, Dennis,  Brian
Barbie - Brian (bvs - Carl, Alan & Audree: also allegedly Val Poliuto)
What Is A Young Girl Made Of - Brian (bvs - no-one knows)
Surfin' Safari - group, Mike
Surfer Girl - Brian w/group, Brian
Judy - Mike, Brian,
Beach Boy Stomp (aka Karate) - instrumental
Lavender (demo) - group


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Post by: John on May 03, 2008, 03:09:45 PM
Excellent. I'll get this into the format right now. Thanks.

Lavender - Are all five 1962 Beach Boys singing there? Or is David silent? Is Al there?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 04, 2008, 01:16:38 AM
Excellent. I'll get this into the format right now. Thanks.

Lavender - Are all five 1962 Beach Boys singing there? Or is David silent? Is Al there?

Recorded 9/15/61, ergo David not present.


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Post by: Jonas on May 04, 2008, 04:17:06 AM
Should we do "Soul Searchin'" and "Still A Mystery"?

Easy enough:

Soul Searchin':   Carl on lead, Mike on bass, other bvs by Brian, Carl, Alan, Bruce, and Matt.  Falsettos sounds to me like Bruce & Matt together.

Still A Mystery:  Brian on lead, Al prominent in the choruses, Mike on the bass vocal, other bvs by Brian (falsetto), Carl, Alan, Bruce, and Matt.

Great job by all the Boys. 

There has been talk that Carl wasnt present for Mystery, I feel like I hear him, but I dont know... :/


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Post by: John on May 04, 2008, 05:43:52 AM
Excellent. I'll get this into the format right now. Thanks.

Lavender - Are all five 1962 Beach Boys singing there? Or is David silent? Is Al there?

Recorded 9/15/61, ergo David not present.

Aha, and are Brian, Mike, Carl, Denny AND Al all singing?


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Post by: c-man on May 04, 2008, 07:08:55 AM
Should we do "Soul Searchin'" and "Still A Mystery"?

Easy enough:

Soul Searchin':   Carl on lead, Mike on bass, other bvs by Brian, Carl, Alan, Bruce, and Matt.  Falsettos sounds to me like Bruce & Matt together.

Still A Mystery:  Brian on lead, Al prominent in the choruses, Mike on the bass vocal, other bvs by Brian (falsetto), Carl, Alan, Bruce, and Matt.

Great job by all the Boys. 

There has been talk that Carl wasnt present for Mystery, I feel like I hear him, but I dont know... :/


An eyewitness has confrimed he WAS there, and he DID sing on it (he & Brian added a part together on one mic).  Mike wasn't at first, but was obviously added on later.  The vocals for those two songs were done at the same session.


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Post by: c-man on May 04, 2008, 07:10:21 AM
Excellent. I'll get this into the format right now. Thanks.

Lavender - Are all five 1962 Beach Boys singing there? Or is David silent? Is Al there?

Recorded 9/15/61, ergo David not present.

Aha, and are Brian, Mike, Carl, Denny AND Al all singing?

Not sure about Denny...he ususally skipped those four-part acepella things like "Hearts". 


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Post by: John on May 04, 2008, 09:17:30 AM
I dunno, he made it for Lord's Prayer and Auld Lang Syne...


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Post by: adamghost on May 04, 2008, 02:18:44 PM
I dunno, he made it for Lord's Prayer and Auld Lang Syne...

I think for Lord's Prayer we decided it was prior to Al being in the group full time (or he had just joined).  With "Auld" we're ID'ing Denny basically on my say-so.  Al Jardine has claimed he is on that track.  I don't know which is less reliable, my ears or Al's memory...


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Post by: TimeToGetAlone on May 05, 2008, 05:33:10 AM
Hmm, have you guys the Adult/Child songs other than the Sunflower sessions ones yet?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on May 05, 2008, 06:01:47 AM
Yeah, we agreed we're not touching the unreleased stuff, if I remember correctly...it's been nearly a year on this already!

Adam - I trust your ears more than Al's memory, after he said he'd never played "Honkin'" live...;D


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 05, 2008, 06:17:55 AM
I dunno, he made it for Lord's Prayer and Auld Lang Syne...

I think for Lord's Prayer we decided it was prior to Al being in the group full time (or he had just joined).  With "Auld" we're ID'ing Denny basically on my say-so.  Al Jardine has claimed he is on that track.  I don't know which is less reliable, my ears or Al's memory...

"TLP" was recorded 10/20/63 - Alan had been back in the band for several weeks by then. The "LSN" sessions (10/18 & 10/20) were the first ones that David didn't take part in since April the previous year..


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Post by: adamghost on May 05, 2008, 08:12:02 AM
True... what I meant was at that point, the song had probably already been rehearsed with Dennis.  There may not have been enough time to get Al up to speed on the part, particularly if Dennis already had it.  But you're right, technically Al was back in the band (barely).


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Post by: TimeToGetAlone on May 05, 2008, 08:57:34 AM
Yeah, we agreed we're not touching the unreleased stuff, if I remember correctly...it's been nearly a year on this already!

Adam - I trust your ears more than Al's memory, after he said he'd never played "Honkin'" live...;D
Fair enough.  You're Still A Mystery hasn't been officially either though has it, nor has a good number of the outtakes that have been mentioned?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on May 05, 2008, 10:54:58 AM
Didn't we argue that Denny was actually better for the harmonies in the accapellas than Al, though Al is a better singer, at one point?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on May 05, 2008, 05:36:56 PM
I don't know if I would go that far. I think Denny's voice did the job, but I think Al's voice was a key component to the harmony sound and gave Brian more options, Al had a better range.


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Post by: mikeyj on May 05, 2008, 07:05:56 PM
Didn't we argue that Denny was actually better for the harmonies in the accapellas than Al, though Al is a better singer, at one point?

I prefer Denny's voice (before it got ruined), purely just because he's more expressive than Al. Obviously Al has a better range and is probably technically better but I just dig Denny's voice.

To be honest, Al is the one guy who I have trouble picking out in the harmonies. I don't know why but I really struggle to hear him on a lot of stuff, unless its blatantly obvious.


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Post by: Chris Brown on May 05, 2008, 07:56:55 PM
Didn't we argue that Denny was actually better for the harmonies in the accapellas than Al, though Al is a better singer, at one point?

I prefer Denny's voice (before it got ruined), purely just because he's more expressive than Al. Obviously Al has a better range and is probably technically better but I just dig Denny's voice.

To be honest, Al is the one guy who I have trouble picking out in the harmonies. I don't know why but I really struggle to hear him on a lot of stuff, unless its blatantly obvious.


I prefer Denny's voice too...it has more texture to it.  More emotional I suppose...Al is a great singer (and has the best remaining BB voice by far), but his singing never makes me feel anything, whereas when Denny sings, I feel what he's singing about.

Al is tough to pick out because he can sound like everyone.  His voice just isn't that distinctive...the Wilson brothers all had their own distinct (albiet similar) sounds, and Mike had his patented bass sound.  Al was just a solid voice to add to the harmony, perfect for those sometimes difficult middle parts.


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Post by: mikeyj on May 05, 2008, 08:21:56 PM
but his singing never makes me feel anything, whereas when Denny sings, I feel what he's singing about.

Couldn't agree more Chris. It's almost like some singers have this ability to make it feel like they are directly involving you in what they are singing about.


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Post by: John on May 06, 2008, 04:58:28 AM
Oh yeah, I agree. There was a point raised by Adamghost, I think, on this thread during the discussion of the accapellas. I can't remember the technical details but I think it boiled down to Denny's grainier texture being more attractive to the ear in the stack than Al's brighter texture. It's well worth finding anyway, it's somewhere at the half-way point.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on May 06, 2008, 05:23:09 AM
Didn't we argue that Denny was actually better for the harmonies in the accapellas than Al, though Al is a better singer, at one point?

I can't remember where I heard or read it, but a vocal expert once said that vocal harmonies always sound better if they're performed by people who grew up in the same area. It had something to do with the way people pronounce words, even if you normally can't tell the difference. As Dennis grew up in the same house as Brian and Carl while Al was originally from another state, that would make sense...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on May 06, 2008, 02:19:40 PM
Didn't we argue that Denny was actually better for the harmonies in the accapellas than Al, though Al is a better singer, at one point?

I can't remember where I heard or read it, but a vocal expert once said that vocal harmonies always sound better if they're performed by people who grew up in the same area. It had something to do with the way people pronounce words, even if you normally can't tell the difference. As Dennis grew up in the same house as Brian and Carl while Al was originally from another state, that would make sense...

Call me crazy but I think that's from the Pet Sounds book by Charles Granata (sorry if I spelled that wrong).  And intonation is definitely important in a capella harmony, but I didn't think Al's intonation was much different from the other guys.  Like others have said, Dennis just added some additional texture, while Al had a good (but relatively indistinct) blending voice.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on May 06, 2008, 02:40:02 PM
Here's the link to the post, which is surrounded by discussion of the accapellas:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,4120.msg71532.html#msg71532 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,4120.msg71532.html#msg71532)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on May 14, 2008, 10:03:51 AM
So, are we done?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on May 14, 2008, 04:52:10 PM
Let's start over!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ana-Lu on May 14, 2008, 09:06:24 PM
While certain singers may be more expressive when singing solo, it doesn't mean they are good group singers.   Sure, Dennis is a great, soulful, expressive solo singer, but as a group singer, he doesn't hold a candle to Al. 

That said, I'd rather hear Dennis in the group than Bruce, who doesn't blend at all.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on May 15, 2008, 09:25:04 AM
Ok, I moved all the lists to the new thread. However, I am unable to put the very first post here because the board does not allow me. If John can repost it (I believe its Surfin Safari), I will be able to move it to the new "List" thread...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on May 15, 2008, 11:38:34 AM
There you go. And thanks a lot by the way, it looks great!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on May 16, 2008, 01:30:04 AM
Read through it all again who is this Omnes on Somewhere Near Japan.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on May 16, 2008, 02:34:47 AM
"Omnes" is latin for "all", or "everybody"  ;)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on May 16, 2008, 04:49:21 AM
Ah thanks, I never knew that before.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on May 16, 2008, 10:16:30 AM
Quick question:

What was your biggest surprise when we'd hashed it all out?

Mine was that it was Denny on "We're Together Again". I'd just assumed it was Carl, but the minute it came on, I went, "Oh, yeah, it is him!"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on May 16, 2008, 10:34:12 AM
Mine is that it was Brian saying "I love you" in "Please Let Me Wonder"... But now it's obvious. Oh, and the Brian+Al vocals on "Rock 'N' Roll To The Rescue"!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on May 16, 2008, 11:38:17 PM
Yeah I guess Please Let Me Wonder,  maybe Summertime Blues. We're Together I Always thought was Dennis because of the way he prononces "again".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on May 17, 2008, 07:57:36 AM
Let's start over!

Yes. No harm in going through a few more times.

On "Auld Lang Syne" I get Dennis AND Al on there. This is how:

4 parts, from top to bottom: Brian, Al, Carl and Dennis together, Mike.
Comparing the two speaker channels, Carl is louder on one, Dennis on the other. Sometimes Dennis sings a little scoop to the note, whereas Carl doesn't, and on the last line Dennis seems to go above the correct note in the middle of "Syne".

Dennis and Carl often sound similar in the harmonies, because of their timbre.  Except that Carl is smoother. Dennis is very expressive and so his voice makes the harmony sound pleasant to the ear. Al is usually the hardest to pick out but always seems to sing exactly in tune and so blend in pitchwise. His voice also blends by not sounding distinctive in the harmonies. But occasionally when his voice sticks out you notice the different accent and timbre of his voice.

On "Lavender" I think it is Brian, Carl, Dennis and Mike.
On "Things we did last summer" surely it is the same four?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on May 17, 2008, 09:40:07 AM
IIRC, "Things" is sorta-first hand info from David via Jon's book. He says Brian, Mike and Carl sang it while Dave and Denny goofed off.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on May 17, 2008, 10:10:52 AM
Yes, definitely just Brian, Carl, and Mike on "Things". 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on May 19, 2008, 01:33:35 PM
The biggest surprise to me was learning that in some songs I thought were Dennis were Mike with a cold. And some which I thought were Al were Brian. And some which I thought were Al were Mike. And some that I thought were Brian were Carl. And some that I thought were Carl were John Philipps...

 :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RONDEMON on May 19, 2008, 02:14:48 PM
Hey look it's a new sticky on the front page!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on May 23, 2008, 07:00:54 AM
Yes, definitely just Brian, Carl, and Mike on "Things". 

But there are four harmony parts!



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on May 23, 2008, 07:09:19 AM
Here's something:

Alan's first lead vocal:

Christmas Day, of course.
But has anyone noticed the short line in "Do you Remember?" that Al sings on his own? ? I wondered for a while who it was, because it doesn't come across very well- but it is Al.

But then listen to No-Go Showboat. After Brian's line, and Mike's line, there is a three part harmony line e.g. "When it comes to speed man I'm just out of luck, I'm even shut down by the ice-cream truck". The two lower parts are very quiet in comparison to the top part, which is Al. So it comes across almost as a lead vocal.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on June 16, 2008, 09:57:21 AM
"How She Boogalooed It" was Carl, as confirmed by Alan Boyd, who as I understand it, consulted Jardine to confirm it.  Don't know why the dueling Al comments, but I remember this having come up before.  It only sounds like Al to me in spots (perhaps the first two lines), otherwise it sounds totally consistent with Carl's other leads on the album.  Listen to the words "reelin'", "affection", etc., the distinctive "curl" to the end of the note.  Al never sang like that; his voice has a reedier texture.  Carl did.

The quote about Carl having Al sing it because it was too high for him doesn't make sense to me because (a) Al's name comes first as primary songwriter and (b) Carl's base vocal range was, if anything, higher than Al's (even though they both could hit pretty high notes...I'm referring to their comfort range.  Consider Carl's vocal on the first half of "Trader" which was, if anything, a little low for his voice in parts, even though he managed fine.  Now imagine Al singing it.  It's right smack in his natural register).  Now what makes more sense to me is that the vocal was too high for AL and he passed it on to CARL...since Al theoretically wrote most of it, he'd likely be the one to get first crack at singing it.  This also makes sense to me in that Al has more of a distinct crossover in his natural voice to his higher register than Carl did, so it would be easier for Carl to negotiate the top of his full voice range (though there's some overemoted notes on that tune, I grant you).  I can see Al having said that in the interview and either accidentally getting it backwards, having it transcribed backwards, or having remembered the interview backwards.

I've heard a live version of it from '67 and it's obviously Carl on that as well.  I hesitate to contradict my esteemed friend Mr. Doe, but...Carl.

I appreciate that this is extremely good work, Adamghost, and of course you, and others, may be totally right and "How she boogalooed it" may be all sung by Carl. You notice several lines that are clearly sung by Carl and I agree now I have listened a lot.

But, I've been working on a theory that some lines are Bruce and some Carl. I wonder if anyone else hears Bruce as a possibility?

I wondered too if Al sung any lines, but I now think probably not. It is not his texture of voice as you say.

The third and fourth lines in particular are very unusual sounding, and don't sound like Carl to me, but rather like Bruce. The lines also sound a bit like a relay in places because there is seemingly a change in voice and style quite often.

I have a guess at a possible Bruce-Carl relay but it is very unsure and I have changed it many times.

First verse: Bruce, Carl, Bruce, Bruce, Carl, Carl
Second: Bruce, Carl?, Bruce, Carl (with certainty), Carl, Bruce
Third: Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Carl (with certainty), Bruce, Carl (again definitely), Bruce.




Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on June 16, 2008, 11:22:59 AM
It's definitely the same person singing every single line...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on June 17, 2008, 09:49:57 AM
Thanks Aegir. If you are right then I would be certain that its all Carl.

Analysing the reasons in favour of the opinion its all Carl:

1. There is something very constant about the voice singing on all the lines: a tone or timbre or something. It's obviously not Mike, Brian or Dennis, and also too high pitched for Mike and Dennis. It is not Al's clearer timbre. It is like enough to Carl. I'm not sure enough what Bruce would sound like singing in that pitch and that fast, although I thought it was possibly him.

2. Some times where I've noted a change from one voice to another, the second voice seems to become indistinguishable from the original voice later on, for example, for the fourth line I've put Bruce because it seems to carry on from the third line which sounds like Bruce. But then it sounds pretty much the same as the fifth and sixth lines, and for that matter, like the seventh line too. Moreover, I have changed around some lines many times. So sometimes I think the high second lines of the verses are Carl or Bruce interchangeably.

3. Sometimes even within one line the singer seems to change. "The walls are movin" sounds like what I think of as Bruce and "the ceilin's a-reeling" like Carl. "Gotta girl givin' me some lessons" even sounds like it blends seamlessly from the Bruce voice to the Carl voice. I wondered if some sort of editing of takes had done that, but perhaps it is simply because the "Bruce voice" is Carl.

4. I only started to guess it was Bruce because I sometimes couldn't hear it clearly enough as Carl, and because Bruce obviously wrote a major part of it (By the way does anyone know who wrote what in terms of words and music: that would be really interesting). Carl definitely sings some bits, for example "Come on, sockit, sockit to me".

So it could easily be all Carl.

The reasons against seem to be:

1. The lines vary so much in approach and loudness, that it almost sounds as if each line was recorded separately: There is a such a lack of continuity.

2. The vocal often sounds very strange and unlike Carl, whereas on the rest of the album I find Carl is clearly distinguishable and constant over a whole song. On this song I seem to hear a more resonant voice and a flatter, gentler voice for parts of it: the latter one I thought was Bruce. If it is all Carl, he seems to vary the amount of resonance in his voice. He also sounds unlike himself for these parts. Perhaps it is because the singing is so fast, but I think this is the best part of the argument for Bruce.

3. It almost seems like a put-on, an impression of someone, maybe of Al. I suppose that could actually be the case though, whoever is singing.

4. It is arguably a lot less great than Carl's other leads on the album, because it is so rough and unpolished. On the other hand it can easily be argued it is deliberately meant to be like that, and that "Wild Honey" (the song) is rather rough and unpolished too (as of course the whole album is in a sense).

On balance now I would guess it is probably all Carl, although it is still enjoyable to listen again and try to distinguish the voice(s) more clearly.

What a strange but enjoyable song!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on June 17, 2008, 11:10:34 AM
I think it's Carl, singing from a guide vocal by Al, and he's taking on those characteristics. Sometimes that happens: check out Daltrey's Entwistle like phrasing of The Ox's "Someone's Coming" or Jagger's Wyman-alike reading of Bill's "Downtown Suzie". Sometimes when someone sings a song they didn't write which isn't a cover, it happens, causing a weird amalgam of styles and phrasing. I bet Carl either learned it from Al or Al sang the guide track.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on July 21, 2008, 08:03:26 AM
Who sang what on the 1966 live version of Good Vibrations from the boxset?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 21, 2008, 08:47:48 AM
Carl, Mike, and Bruce on the highs in the chorus, IIRC.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 23, 2008, 05:53:16 PM
I think it's Carl, singing from a guide vocal by Al, and he's taking on those characteristics. Sometimes that happens: check out Daltrey's Entwistle like phrasing of The Ox's "Someone's Coming" or Jagger's Wyman-alike reading of Bill's "Downtown Suzie". Sometimes when someone sings a song they didn't write which isn't a cover, it happens, causing a weird amalgam of styles and phrasing. I bet Carl either learned it from Al or Al sang the guide track.

Could be, although on the live version from Dec. '67, Carl is singing the whole thing with no help from Al (reading the lyrics off a sheet on the mic stand).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on July 23, 2008, 08:28:27 PM
Yeah, but if he learned to sing like Al, it doesn't matter if Al's not singing it live when Carl is. If you know how a song (especially one by your band, in which you sing the lead) goes, you don't just start singing it another way.

But this only makes sense if Carl sings it the same way live that he does in the recording. Actually, either way would be inconclusive, for if he sang it differently live, than that could also mean that on the recording he was singing to Al's guide vocal.

So I guess this post means nothing.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonathan Blum on July 23, 2008, 10:46:11 PM
This is more of a backing-vocals question than a lead-vocals one, but this seems to be where the braintrust hangs out...

I'm putting together a collection of Carl and Dennis material for a friend (calling it "Brother Act", natch), and wanted to focus on songs which involved both of them.  So, just for nitpickiness' sake:  is Carl in the backing vocals on the Beach Boys version of "Love Surrounds Me"?  How about "Cuddle Up"?  And did Dennis sing backup on any of Carl's songs (other than "Angel Come Home")?

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on July 24, 2008, 07:41:31 AM
This is more of a backing-vocals question than a lead-vocals one, but this seems to be where the braintrust hangs out...

I'm putting together a collection of Carl and Dennis material for a friend (calling it "Brother Act", natch), and wanted to focus on songs which involved both of them.  So, just for nitpickiness' sake:  is Carl in the backing vocals on the Beach Boys version of "Love Surrounds Me"?  How about "Cuddle Up"?  And did Dennis sing backup on any of Carl's songs (other than "Angel Come Home")?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Yes, Carl is quite prominent in the background vocals on "Love Surrounds Me" (L.A. Light version).  I think I can hear Dennis in the backgrounds on "The Trader", but not any of Carl's other songs. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 24, 2008, 12:05:51 PM
What other songs do you have on your list ?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 24, 2008, 06:43:09 PM
Don't forget "Celebrate the News" -- that's one that's almost a duet.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 24, 2008, 07:38:12 PM
Yeah but Celebrate has every Beach Boy pretty upfront. I hear all of them.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on July 24, 2008, 07:49:47 PM
Yeah, but Carl and Dennis pretty much sing all the lead vocals together.  I can't think of another time that happened.  There's a Carl-Dennis track, and then a group track.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: MBE on July 24, 2008, 07:55:35 PM
I hear a lot more Dennis myself. It's voiced very well I think, but I wouldn't say Carl's on lead exactly.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonathan Blum on July 27, 2008, 05:51:28 PM
What other songs do you have on your list ?

Just got back from a weekend away!

I was going for 20 tracks -- here's a rough list, after hearing the comments above...

Celebrate The News
Slip On Through
Forever (acapella version from Hawthorne, CA)
Got To Know The Woman
It's About Time
Fourth Of July
Long Promised Road (live version from Endless Harmony -- Dennis is on that, he introduces Carl)
Cuddle Up
Steamboat
Trader
Only With You
River Song
Pacific Ocean Blues
Rainbows
Farewell My Friend
My Diane? (Is Carl on that, or is it just Brian and Dennis?)
Angel Come Home
It's Not Too Late
Love Surrounds Me
Baby Blue

Anything essential I missed?

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on July 27, 2008, 06:15:05 PM
In the Back of My Mind has Carl singing unison with Denny on the middle-eight.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonathan Blum on July 27, 2008, 09:52:25 PM
In the Back of My Mind has Carl singing unison with Denny on the middle-eight.

Come to think of it, that would work really well as an opener...  sort of defining the emotive sweep of the whole thing!

Oh, and if I can ever find a clean copy of "Carry Me Home", I'd be seriously tempted to bend my rules for it!  Even though that was technically a Blondie lead...  wasn't it?  Lost my copy in a hard-drive crash years ago...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 28, 2008, 03:10:22 PM
What other songs do you have on your list ?

Just got back from a weekend away!

I was going for 20 tracks -- here's a rough list, after hearing the comments above...

Celebrate The News
Slip On Through
Forever (acapella version from Hawthorne, CA)
Got To Know The Woman
It's About Time
Fourth Of July
Long Promised Road (live version from Endless Harmony -- Dennis is on that, he introduces Carl)
Cuddle Up
Steamboat
Trader
Only With You
River Song
Pacific Ocean Blues
Rainbows
Farewell My Friend
My Diane? (Is Carl on that, or is it just Brian and Dennis?)
Angel Come Home
It's Not Too Late
Love Surrounds Me
Baby Blue

Anything essential I missed?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

"Wild Situation" - Carl (& Bruce) on bvs.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonathan Blum on July 28, 2008, 07:00:31 PM
"Wild Situation" - Carl (& Bruce) on bvs.

Aww *yeah*.  Any excuse to get that in.  :-)  Plus the set could use another upbeat number towards the end...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on August 05, 2008, 07:26:45 AM
Who sings lead on the Fourth of July version of Back in the USSR? Sounds like Jello Biafra with a cold.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on August 07, 2008, 01:00:23 PM
Yeah, but if he learned to sing like Al, it doesn't matter if Al's not singing it live when Carl is. If you know how a song (especially one by your band, in which you sing the lead) goes, you don't just start singing it another way.

But this only makes sense if Carl sings it the same way live that he does in the recording. Actually, either way would be inconclusive, for if he sang it differently live, than that could also mean that on the recording he was singing to Al's guide vocal.

So I guess this post means nothing.

I agree. And furthermore there could be any differences of singer between any of the versions basically.

The strange thing is I listened to HSBI again recently and decided that it WAS Bruce after all, on all the lines I'd mentioned. It is exactly his accent and sounds nothing like Carl. Next I listened to "Carl's" lines, and, funnily enough they are not clearly Carl at all but some sound definitely like Bruce. Adding to this the theory that it's all one person (which sounds very likely of course) I am now thinking it's probably all Bruce.

So, Bruce's first full lead vocal?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on August 07, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
It's definitely not Bruce. Have you listened to his pre-BBs stuff? It's hard to tell from just his wimpy Beach Boys ballads that he doesn't sing like the singer on HSBI, but being a fan of his early solo albums and the Rip Chords, I'd say I'm familiar enough with Bruce's voice to know that he is not the singer on HSBI.

Maybe it's Carl using Bruce's guide vocal?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on August 08, 2008, 09:05:44 AM
I think it's Carl using Al's guide vocal.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on August 10, 2008, 09:20:06 AM
It's definitely not Bruce. Have you listened to his pre-BBs stuff? It's hard to tell from just his wimpy Beach Boys ballads that he doesn't sing like the singer on HSBI, but being a fan of his early solo albums and the Rip Chords, I'd say I'm familiar enough with Bruce's voice to know that he is not the singer on HSBI.

Maybe it's Carl using Bruce's guide vocal?

Man, I KNOW it's Bruce! It really is. I was wrong to say earlier that I was certain some lines were Carl, and equally you can't say it's definitely not Bruce (at least not accurately) unless you have certain knowledge of that. It's true I haven't heard anything by Bruce other than his Beach Boys recordings, but by comparing the accent on HSBI with Bruce's ballads I eventually can now hear Bruce singing HSBI, if you get what I mean. You know when you keep listening to something until you recognise the voice and it can't be otherwise. Admittedly, it's possible to be mistaken, but still probably every voice is unique and there must be a "minimum distance" between them so that they don't get confused. I'm sure about most lines, in fact all of them because I can hear there's no change in singer now.

I don't know how he sings on early albums, but he may be deliberately trying a new style. Isn't that possible? Of course Carl did that on Wild Honey too.

Some parts that most clearly to me show it to be Bruce are the third line ("Now my heart beat etc.), the fourth line (particularly the word "and", also the way he sings "way" and the rest of the line "aren't you glad we gotta way in here".

Another indication I think, although not a proof of course, is the line "the boys are with me to do some outta sight dancin'": it seems to me that he is referring to the other Beach boys as the "boys" as if he is not exactly a member of the group. Or perhaps not. But it might be that.

It's not that surprising to me now that he sounds different than on his other Beach boys songs, because they are all ballads.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 10, 2008, 09:54:50 AM
It's definitely not Bruce. Have you listened to his pre-BBs stuff? It's hard to tell from just his wimpy Beach Boys ballads that he doesn't sing like the singer on HSBI, but being a fan of his early solo albums and the Rip Chords, I'd say I'm familiar enough with Bruce's voice to know that he is not the singer on HSBI.

Maybe it's Carl using Bruce's guide vocal?

Man, I KNOW it's Bruce! It really is. I was wrong to say earlier that I was certain some lines were Carl, and equally you can't say it's definitely not Bruce (at least not accurately) unless you have certain knowledge of that. It's true I haven't heard anything by Bruce other than his Beach Boys recordings, but by comparing the accent on HSBI with Bruce's ballads I eventually can now hear Bruce singing HSBI, if you get what I mean. You know when you keep listening to something until you recognise the voice and it can't be otherwise. Admittedly, it's possible to be mistaken, but still probably every voice is unique and there must be a "minimum distance" between them so that they don't get confused. I'm sure about most lines, in fact all of them because I can hear there's no change in singer now.

I don't know how he sings on early albums, but he may be deliberately trying a new style. Isn't that possible? Of course Carl did that on Wild Honey too.

Some parts that most clearly to me show it to be Bruce are the third line ("Now my heart beat etc.), the fourth line (particularly the word "and", also the way he sings "way" and the rest of the line "aren't you glad we gotta way in here".

Another indication I think, although not a proof of course, is the line "the boys are with me to do some outta sight dancin'": it seems to me that he is referring to the other Beach boys as the "boys" as if he is not exactly a member of the group. Or perhaps not. But it might be that.

It's not that surprising to me now that he sounds different than on his other Beach boys songs, because they are all ballads.

WTF, I'll ask.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on August 10, 2008, 11:02:18 AM
EDITED.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 10, 2008, 03:22:29 PM
This just in:

"It's Carl on the lead vocal and the song was written about a party we 
went to in Cleveland after one of our concerts in 1967

Bruce"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on August 10, 2008, 08:58:57 PM
I knew it wasn't Bruce.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on August 29, 2008, 09:01:47 AM
Who sang "How She Boogalooed It":

Bruce says Carl.
Al said he sang it himself once didn't he?- because it was too high for Carl.

For ages most people thought it sounded like Al.
Many now think it sounds like Carl.
Some even think it sounds like Bruce.

Truth doesn't change, but we see different bits of it, and people only say bits of it at a time.

Until a year ago I thought it was Al. I would put the track on, think "Who on earth is that and what on earth are they saying, and then hear that "sound of a party" and think-Al. Then I would hear that screamed out "outta sight dancin'" which would clearly break out of the mud of incomprehension and anonymity as Al, before the vocal fell back to its normal puzzling sound.

Now, starting from ignorance, I suppose anyone could be singing any line or word or whatever. The lead could be passed around, or different takes could be combined in an infinite number of possible ways.

Perhaps it is meant to be a difficult puzzle because the Beach Boys liked a joke. Even if not, the difficulty adds to the depth and enjoyment of the Wild Honey album, which at first listen sounds nothing like the Beach Boys, vocally or musically. It might be partly the production which takes brilliant passionate vocal performances and of course brilliant musical compositions and preserves them in stained glass like the cover, by squashing them with a steamroller. But I love the result. (My favourite album of all time, BTW, Sunflower is 2nd and then Friends maybe).

Anyway I don't know who sings what.

Carl then Al then Bruce and then perhaps Dennis. Then back to Carl and Al (halfway through a line perhaps) and Bruce and Carl sings "Oh" handing over a bit sudden to Al who screams out the "outta sight" line. Then Carl, Al (I think it's him now singing "Aren't you glad we gotta way in here"- admittedly it sounds a bit like Carl at the start* but the end of the line is more like Al) and then ? is that Dennis? (the line about the record player).

It's very difficult and I've probably got it all wrong.

*but the word "glad" has a prominent "gl" like Al's line** in "Aren't you glad". Yes, I mean that. I always wondered why the chorus of "Aren't you glad" sounded like it was all Brian and hence double-tracked. Then I was surprised on this message board to find out Carl was singing there. But the middle line was not him-It is Al sounding very like Brian to me-and one of my favourite of his vocals. It also makes it more clear why the parts are divided up as they are on the live version.

**I call it one line that Al sings, because the second chorus sounds like the first one copied and pasted.

Anyway maybe enough is enough. Parties are not always a good thing.








Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 29, 2008, 11:32:05 AM
Bruce was there at the sessions. He didn't inhale. Good enough for me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on August 29, 2008, 11:49:51 AM
It's clearly one person singing the whole song.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on August 29, 2008, 12:35:53 PM
Some even think it sounds like Bruce.

With all due respect, "some" appears to be just you. And you've posted on this thread quite a few instances where you claim something is Bruce, when it's not, with the exception of "Thing Or Two". It's one person singing. And it's Carl.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 30, 2008, 04:02:05 AM
Some even think it sounds like Bruce.

Bruce doesn't think it sounds like Bruce. Kinda convincing, huh ?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on August 30, 2008, 11:21:16 AM
HSBI...For years I thought it was Al too...the first few lines give that impression...but it's definitely Carl. BW, CW and Al could all sound uncannily like each other, and this is a case of CW sounding very much like Al in places, but the grit of CW's tone and his enunciation is like a fingerprint. No possible way that its Bruce, his tone is nothing like this vocal.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on August 30, 2008, 04:16:42 PM
Jon said it perfectly...it would be really difficult to confuse Bruce with Brian, Carl or Al on a lead vocal.  Although Bruce did do a pretty good Brian Wilson falsetto impression in his day (as the top of a harmony stack, not by himself). 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: signum on October 22, 2008, 01:31:42 PM
Some even think it sounds like Bruce.

With all due respect, "some" appears to be just you. And you've posted on this thread quite a few instances where you claim something is Bruce, when it's not, with the exception of "Thing Or Two". It's one person singing. And it's Carl.

John, thanks for your comments. There was however someone else who expressed the opinion that it was Bruce on "How she boogalooed it" way back when the "Wild Honey" album was being discussed possibly. As for the times I have heard Bruce while no-one else has said anything to agree with me, this does not prove I was wrong. I still think what I thought then.
Some even think it sounds like Bruce.

Bruce doesn't think it sounds like Bruce. Kinda convincing, huh ?

AGD, the point I would like to make is that I think Bruce may be joking or not saying everything. Perhaps he said it was Carl, meaning that Carl sang it live, or in some similar way he didn't make known that it was he himself. In my previous post on this thread I was trying to reconcile the statements of Bruce and Al with my ears.

However, I've changed my mind again from that last post. The lines I thought could be Carl or even Al or Dennis are not sufficiently different from the lines I know to be Bruce, and I even can see them as likely to be Bruce too.

In fact I agree with everyone who says it's clearly one person singing the entire song. Except that that one person is Bruce.
HSBI...For years I thought it was Al too...the first few lines give that impression...but it's definitely Carl. BW, CW and Al could all sound uncannily like each other, and this is a case of CW sounding very much like Al in places, but the grit of CW's tone and his enunciation is like a fingerprint. No possible way that its Bruce, his tone is nothing like this vocal.

It sounds like Al a little in accent, because Bruce does. It is also a bit like Al's way of singing and I wonder if Bruce is trying deliberately to sound like that. But in terms of timbre it cannot be Al because Al has a clear timbre. Bruce sounds more like Carl in timbre which is why in another way the vocal sounds like Carl. Anyway that's my opinion.

Lines that are most obviously Bruce are the third of the first verse, first of the second verse, third of the second verse and nearly all of the third verse. In fact the high second line "Don't have to worry about disturbing the peace" is very clearly Bruce. The corresponding line in the second verse is clearly not Carl and is a bit like Al except for timbre, and the word "dancin'" gives it away as Bruce. Actually the "sound of a party" line also must be Bruce, even if only because of the word "sound" which could not be Carl on that note: it just sounds totally wrong. The very last line is also clearly Bruce although it is the sort of line that sounds like a deliberate Al impression.






Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 22, 2008, 03:45:53 PM
One person is singing the entire song.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Smilin Ed H on October 23, 2008, 10:52:49 AM
Isn't it a rule of thumb that if it sounds like Bruce, it's gotta be Al... or Carl... or Brian... or, in the case of the 2007 GOK, someone from Brian's band? 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 23, 2008, 10:59:29 AM
That was Bruce on the 2007 God Only Knows preview clip!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on October 25, 2008, 10:37:31 AM
That was Bruce on the 2007 God Only Knows preview clip!

Definitely...I still can't figure out why they did that. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 25, 2008, 11:34:38 PM
Small problem with your belief - I asked him. He said it wasn't. After listening to it.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 25, 2008, 11:59:50 PM
Andrew, are you referring to How She Boogalooed It or God Only Knows?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 26, 2008, 04:19:10 AM
GOK, though I asked him about both when they were being debated.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on October 26, 2008, 01:49:54 PM
Hmm.  :-\  I'm very disappointed Andrew, because it means I can't trust you about other songs. Hell, that even means I can't trust Bruce! I guess that's what age does to your hearing system.  ::)

(it *is* Bruce on that GOK video, and I still can't figure how a "BB fan" could pretend it's not him)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 26, 2008, 02:14:40 PM
So you're calling me - and Bruce - liars.

So the word of the person in question isn't good enough for you.

Fine. I don't need your stamp of approval, and I don't need to have my judgment and integrity challenged in public on this forum.

I'm out of here.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on October 26, 2008, 02:28:25 PM
I've never called you (or even thought you were) a liar - your ears lie to your brain.

(see my almost-funny remark: "I guess that's what age does to your hearing system")

(*resists urge to make a stupid joke about the effects of age on vision*)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on October 26, 2008, 03:34:18 PM
This again? Seriously? The GOK that came out last year was Brian and band the whole way. However, the video clip they posted on the website was edited with the original GOK. If you can't hear that, then seriously...stop listening to music.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 26, 2008, 05:00:07 PM
Oh my god, did we just chase another honored guest away?

Come on, guys... we gotta stop doing that.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jason on October 26, 2008, 05:15:36 PM
Facts are dangerous. :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on October 26, 2008, 09:31:08 PM
Oh my god, did we just chase another honored guest away?

Come on, guys... we gotta stop doing that.

You're not innocent!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Dancing Bear on October 27, 2008, 02:02:20 AM
Oh my god, did we just chase another honored guest away?

Come on, guys... we gotta stop doing that.
Don't worry, AGD will eventually come back.

About Steven Gaines, I guess that anything he ever knew that would interest us was already printed in his book. Which is and always be a piece of tabloid crap, btw.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 27, 2008, 06:43:02 AM
Oh my god, did we just chase another honored guest away?

Come on, guys... we gotta stop doing that.

You're not innocent!

Yes I am. I said nothing contrary to Andrew. My response to him was just a clarity question.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 27, 2008, 01:59:38 PM
Play nicely.

I will say this, though...Bruce isn't always reliable. Hell, NONE of the BB seem to be, as their recollections seem to change depending on the interview. That seems to be a problem with the BB more than most other bands. It's not a recent thing, either, so it can't be blamed on age. Drugs, either, as Al & Bruce seem to be equal on this.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on October 27, 2008, 03:36:52 PM
so it can't be blamed on age.

I don't know if you're referring to one of my previous messages or not, but the "age" thing was nothing more than an attempt to make a joke, while underlining the fact that I was questioning AGD's and Bruce's hearing... Nuances are not easy to master when English is not your native language.

...two words: EPIC FAIL!  :P


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jason on October 27, 2008, 08:06:40 PM
3P1C F41L!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 27, 2008, 08:41:51 PM
:lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: endofposts on October 27, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
I wasn't sure what the 2007 GOK sample was, exactly, htat people posted about.  Then I recalled the Target BW CD "New Music From An Old Friend" remake and the clip that was up on the website.  The CD label, 180 Music, still has the Brian video clip on their site.  It does definitely sound like they mixed the fade from the 1966 Pet Sounds recording onto the fade of the new version on that video clip, and you can hear Bruce's 1966 voice.  I have no idea if that mix is featured on the actual re-recording on the CD (someone above claimed it is not on the actual CD, just the video clip).  If AGD played the CD track for Bruce and that's what he's referring to, then Bruce is not on it if it's a different mix.  The video clip is on this webpage:

http://www.180music.com/spotlight/features_newmusic.html

I'd hate to think AGD was alienated over what might be a misunderstanding as to what was being referred to. 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Smilin Ed H on October 28, 2008, 02:22:30 AM
I believe Mark Linnett said Bruce wasn't on it.  I think AGD thought that should have been enough for anyone... If I recall correctly, some people "saw" Bruce in the video too.  Frightening, isn't it?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Roger Ryan on October 28, 2008, 12:28:15 PM
I can't believe this topic is being trotted out again! There is absolutely no reason for anyone to crossfade Brian's remake of GOK with the original recording for a total of one second on a promotional making-of video. Scott Bennett (at least I believe that's who is signing) does a decent approximation of Bruce's original response vocal on the remake and that is what you are hearing during the last second of the video clip. If we want to argue whether it's Scott or Nelson or Probyn or whoever, that sings the response vocal on the remake, that's cool. But this insistence that the last second of the clip comes from the original recording with Bruce's vocal is madness.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: variable2 on October 28, 2008, 01:11:26 PM
I can't believe this topic is being trotted out again! There is absolutely no reason for anyone to crossfade Brian's remake of GOK with the original recording for a total of one second on a promotional making-of video. Scott Bennett (at least I believe that's who is signing) does a decent approximation of Bruce's original response vocal on the remake and that is what you are hearing during the last second of the video clip. If we want to argue whether it's Scott or Nelson or Probyn or whoever, that sings the response vocal on the remake, that's cool. But this insistence that the last second of the clip comes from the original recording with Bruce's vocal is madness.

Finally someone nailed it on the head. If you think it is the 1966 recording mixed with the 2007 version, you cannot hear for beans.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on October 28, 2008, 01:14:09 PM
And you call yourself Beach Boys fans? :lol

Give me a break. I've listened to GOK2007 a bunch of times, and the tag sounds absolutely NOTHING like the original. Yet the video has a section where Bruce's voice comes in...come on now.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on October 28, 2008, 01:16:50 PM
And once again, please be specific if you're talking about the actual SONG itself, or the video clip...because I think you people are mixing up this whole debate with one and the other.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on October 28, 2008, 02:26:29 PM
Here's a .zip file that contains two mp3s, just so you can compare the fadeout of the video and the 1966 version of GOK: same drums, same voice.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nvn7vk (http://www.sendspace.com/file/nvn7vk)


You can't believe that we (myself included) are still arguing about that video clip? Me neither.

But the fact that there still are people out there who say it isn't Bruce brings up a fascinating question: I can't help wondering what those people actually hear when they listen to the original version of GOK, or any other BB record for that matter. It amazes me that some people on this board seem to hear something totally different from what other people hear, yet they're all fans of the same music. To me, this question is genuinely interesting and frustrating at the same time, because I guess I'll never know the answer  :-\


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: TdHabib on October 28, 2008, 05:54:53 PM
The end of the 2007 preview video, the very end which is about two seconds of sound, is so very obviously the Bruce tag from 1966 I can't believe people are arguiung over it. Once again, only the last two seconds, but it's completely Bruce.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: endofposts on October 28, 2008, 09:08:55 PM
I never knew there was a previous controversy about this, having never read the original thread or paid very close attention to that video clip when it was put out.  But when it was brought up on this thread and people started arguing about it, I went to check out what they were talking about.  And to a fresh pair of ears, so to speak, and with all due respect to Andrew and Mark, it sounds to me like the makers of the video promo clip edited and mixed in  tiny snippet of the 1966 recording on the video clip fade, whether they're right or not.  It's not just hearing a voice that sounds like Bruce, or the drumming, both of which  may be duplicable.  It's the ambient sound of the recording that is jarring, that sounds like '66 Pet Sounds versus a 2007 remake recorded with modern technology.  One thing that is noticeable is that the fade that sounds like the old record is that it's dryer in terms of not having the heavy reverb that's present on the rest of the clip.   I'm not sure if that leads to imagining you're hearing a little bit of the old recording (when it actually is Scott or whoever) or whether you are actually hearing the old recording.  If it's part of the later remake, they do a great job of duplicating the old sound and vocals.  But the edit is jarring, in any case, because it doesn't really match what you hear earlier in the clip.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on October 28, 2008, 09:58:25 PM
Here's a .zip file that contains two mp3s, just so you can compare the fadeout of the video and the 1966 version of GOK: same drums, same voice.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nvn7vk (http://www.sendspace.com/file/nvn7vk)


You can't believe that we (myself included) are still arguing about that video clip? Me neither.

But the fact that there still are people out there who say it isn't Bruce brings up a fascinating question: I can't help wondering what those people actually hear when they listen to the original version of GOK, or any other BB record for that matter. It amazes me that some people on this board seem to hear something totally different from what other people hear, yet they're all fans of the same music. To me, this question is genuinely interesting and frustrating at the same time, because I guess I'll never know the answer  :-\

If this doesn't give it away, I don't know what will.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on October 28, 2008, 10:37:51 PM
Wow, Andrew deleted his account.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Amy B. on October 29, 2008, 01:22:11 PM
Wow, Andrew deleted his account.

I don't get why. Clearly no one was calling anyone a liar. What is a message board for, if not debate?Should we be afraid to dispute anyone else, even our honored guests? Are we not all just fans at the end of the day?  Yes, everyone respects Andrew and Bruce, but both have been wrong in the past, and to Andrew's credit, he's the first to admit when he is. Maybe Bruce didn't know his voice was mixed into the video (if indeed it was). I'm probably going to incur someone's wrath for saying all this, but come on. I hope AGD decides to return. Obviously it was nice having him.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Shady on October 29, 2008, 09:13:48 PM
Hang on, Andrew left over this,

It's a message baord, if not  debate, what can we do here lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: NightHider on October 30, 2008, 03:16:19 AM
That was Bruce on the 2007 God Only Knows preview clip!

I remember this really sounding like Bruce too.  But someone sounding like someone else is par for the course in BB land. 

Is there a link to this clip still out there somewhere?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Sam_BFC on October 30, 2008, 06:43:59 AM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bNMnTmSbQn4

It also features an out of tune falsetto from (I guess) Jeffrey which indicates that the audio for this video was not taken from the final mix of the released song.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: JB Wilojarston on October 30, 2008, 08:28:54 AM
That was Bruce on the 2007 God Only Knows preview clip!

I remember this really sounding like Bruce too.  


Maybe people "expect" him to be there in the recording. Bruce has a more nasally and whiney tone  which makes his voice sound a bit strained. And to my ears, it's a thinner voice. That vocalist doesn't have that, or least not as much.

I saw Elvis in Lake Tahoe in '71. Every song was fast and and the arrangements were tailored for a live performance, but they all sounded like the record to me; I "expected" them to sound like the record.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2008, 03:32:14 AM
A brief return to clear up this nonsense. Firstly:


AGD, the point I would like to make is that I think Bruce may be joking or not saying everything. Perhaps he said it was Carl, meaning that Carl sang it live, or in some similar way he didn't make known that it was he himself. In my previous post on this thread I was trying to reconcile the statements of Bruce and Al with my ears.

However, I've changed my mind again from that last post. The lines I thought could be Carl or even Al or Dennis are not sufficiently different from the lines I know to be Bruce, and I even can see them as likely to be Bruce too.

In fact I agree with everyone who says it's clearly one person singing the entire song. Except that that one person is Bruce.

Here is the track sheet for the 8-track tape:

1 - guitar rhy
2 - percussion
3 - drums
4 - stratocaster
5 - acc guitar
6 - bass
7 - Carl lead first verse
8 - Carl lead 2nd verse

So, it's Carl... Carl Wilson, brother of Dennis & Brian. Not Bruce, not Alan, not Murry, not Glen, not Blondie. Carl. End of debate, unless someone here is seriously stupid (and that's a definite possibility).

Secondly, the "GOK 07" video. I sent Bruce the link to it. He told me he'd looked at it, and that it wasn't him. Further, a source I trust implicitly informs me that the track for the video is the released version in a mono fold-down, which of course totally changes the character of the recording.

But in any event, as has been stated several times, can anyone here think of a logical reason why anyone would want, or need, to edit less than ***TWO SECONDS*** of a 1966 recording into the new version ?  I guess they just happened to have a copy of Pet Sounds knocking around the studio and thought, "hey, let's make our job even more difficult, let's splice in two seconds of this into the video".

I am, of course, entirely wasting my time for, as my late father often said, "can't make someone listen if they don't want to hear". Bye.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: smile-holland on November 02, 2008, 06:56:11 AM
I am, of course, entirely wasting my time ...

Not at all.  :)





Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: jeffh on November 02, 2008, 07:00:37 AM
. deleted


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on November 02, 2008, 07:13:26 AM
Further, a source I trust implicitly informs me that the track for the video is the released version in a mono fold-down, which of course totally changes the character of the recording.
Okay, that makes sense, fine. I'm convinced.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on November 02, 2008, 08:02:14 AM
A brief return to clear up this nonsense. Firstly:


AGD, the point I would like to make is that I think Bruce may be joking or not saying everything. Perhaps he said it was Carl, meaning that Carl sang it live, or in some similar way he didn't make known that it was he himself. In my previous post on this thread I was trying to reconcile the statements of Bruce and Al with my ears.

However, I've changed my mind again from that last post. The lines I thought could be Carl or even Al or Dennis are not sufficiently different from the lines I know to be Bruce, and I even can see them as likely to be Bruce too.

In fact I agree with everyone who says it's clearly one person singing the entire song. Except that that one person is Bruce.

Here is the track sheet for the 8-track tape:

1 - guitar rhy
2 - percussion
3 - drums
4 - stratocaster
5 - acc guitar
6 - bass
7 - Carl lead first verse
8 - Carl lead 2nd verse

So, it's Carl... Carl Wilson, brother of Dennis & Brian. Not Bruce, not Alan, not Murry, not Glen, not Blondie. Carl. End of debate, unless someone here is seriously stupid (and that's a definite possibility).

Hurray! Thanks for that.

The other thing, the GOK? I never cared, not even in the slightest, one way or the other. ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Smilin Ed H on November 02, 2008, 10:26:31 AM
"I am, of course, entirely wasting my time for, as my late father often said, "can't make someone listen if they don't want to hear". Bye."

Ah, but it's the internet age.  Enough people repeat crap often enough and it becomes a fact.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on November 02, 2008, 11:18:13 AM
Further, a source I trust implicitly informs me that the track for the video is the released version in a mono fold-down, which of course totally changes the character of the recording.

Whats the logical reason to fold it down for less than ***TWO SECONDS***? It doesn't make sense. But the tone, the voices, the characteristics  totally switches at the very end. Yes, it sounds ridiculous but thats how it sounds. Where's Josh's magic hear when you need it?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 02, 2008, 01:37:22 PM
I'm thinking he meant the entire thing was a mono fold down.

Quote
Ah, but it's the internet age.  Enough people repeat crap often enough and it becomes a fact.

That my friend is some hardcore truth . It seems to me also that the Beach Boys seem to be a lightning rod for myths and misinformation more than other bands of similar vintage. It's only in the past few years that many of these are finally getting debunked (i.e. Al leaving to go to dental school).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on November 02, 2008, 01:41:53 PM
Ok yeah, I guess the whole thing is in mono, I don't know what made me think the youtube video was stereo. Either way, this link posted by Sloop John B put the final nail in the coffin for me. I just don't know how people can't hear it.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nvn7vk

This is the original recording and the final seconds of the youtube video. Please, spot the difference.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 02, 2008, 01:47:31 PM
I always thought it was Scott doing that line (GOK 2007).

Meh.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 02, 2008, 01:56:19 PM
Oh snap... if Mark Linnett engineered the session, then HE should know! Somebody ask him...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on November 02, 2008, 02:02:09 PM
Well once again, the debate is being confused between the GOK2007 song itself and the video posted. The GOK2007 is original all the way, I'm sure Mr. Linnett has posted about that. But in the video, for some unknown reason the final seconds of it just SOUNDS like the original recorded was mixed into it. Why? Who knows?!? But I've listened to the original recording  2034852098524592845094285498549 times in my life, and when I first watched the video eons ago my first thought was, why the heck would they splice the original into this? And since then its become this huge debate.

You can come up with all the sources that you want that says that the final seconds of the video is straight from the new recording. But I've heard the new recording plenty of times and it doesn't sound like that at all IMO. I'm just going with my gut instinct to trust my ears in this matter.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 02, 2008, 02:27:14 PM
Pardon me for asking, but is English your first, or even second, language ?  Or do you just have a severe comprehension problem ?

There's no confusion between the album track and the video track being under discussion; if you care to read my post again (or get someone to read it for you, and explain), I said I sent Bruce a link to the video, and that my source, who is one of the few people in the BB world I trust without question, told me that the video track is a mono fold-down of the 2007 recording. Seeing as you cannot evidently tell the difference between mono and stereo, I'd say your gut instinct is open to rigorous questioning, if not outright dismissal.

Yes, it does sound a lot like Bruce... but Mark says it isn't, Bruce says it isn't and above all simple logic says it isn't (aside from anything else, elements that are clearly from the 2007 track overlay it, so it's not a simple edit as some have claimed). But, as I said, can't make someone understand something they don't want to hear. The album track and the video track are the same recording, and Bruce isn't on it.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on November 02, 2008, 02:41:38 PM
My reply about the confusion was directed to Billy, not you.  Fade back into oblivion, please. Your shrewd and negative attitude isn't wanted.





Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on November 02, 2008, 02:48:13 PM
but Mark says it isn't, Bruce says it isn't

"says". I think there's a slight difference between opinions and facts, but I could be wrong.  :P

You honestly can't listen to this (http://www.sendspace.com/file/nvn7vk (http://www.sendspace.com/file/nvn7vk)) and say it isn't Bruce!


But in any event, as has been stated several times, can anyone here think of a logical reason why anyone would want, or need, to edit less than ***TWO SECONDS*** of a 1966 recording into the new version ?  I guess they just happened to have a copy of Pet Sounds knocking around the studio and thought, "hey, let's make our job even more difficult, let's splice in two seconds of this into the video".

I already addressed this issue when we first talked about the 2007 version of GOK. Let me quote myself:

"You know, I'd love to know why they put that 2-second snippet at the end of the video. I really don't know why they did it. Maybe the guy editing the video was provided a short snippet of the 2007 GOK and decided to add a two-second bit of the 1966 version in order not to end the excerpt too abruptly. He probably was thinking "Oh well, it'll be in the fadeout, so nobody will notice it. Especially considering the bad sound quality of the video.".

Mixing that '66 bit with the rest of the track is a very easy job. I could do it in five minutes, and I have no training in mixing or anything."


I am, of course, entirely wasting my time (...)

You're not. I sincerely enjoy and respect your contributions to BB message boards. You might have read my explanation: I was *not* calling you a liar. I was just saying that you couldn't say "this isn't Bruce" just because you and Bruce didn't hear Bruce's voice. As I previously said, there's a difference between opinions and facts.
 

This was my last post on this subject. Just listen to the two mp3s provided in the link above and hear for yourself.

As a Beach Boys fan who has listened closely to GOK at least twice a week for the last 10 years, I know that it's Bruce and that's enough for me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on November 02, 2008, 03:39:07 PM
Ok, since this isn't helping us make friends...I suppose this will be my last post as well.

Here is the same part that Alan (Sloop John B) cut out, but from the actual 2007 recording.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/chzxzg

I folded it down to mono, just so that there is no difference between the recordings Alan posted and this one. You will notice two things: Foskett's part has a different rhythm than the original and the video snippet, and that Bennett is much more prominent. (Assuming thats him, IDK and frankly I dont care anymore! :lol)

Here are the snippets that Alan posted incase you missed them the first 10 times.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/nvn7vk




Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: TdHabib on November 02, 2008, 05:03:38 PM
Pardon me for asking, but is English your first, or even second, language ?  Or do you just have a severe comprehension problem ?

There's no confusion between the album track and the video track being under discussion; if you care to read my post again (or get someone to read it for you, and explain), I said I sent Bruce a link to the video, and that my source, who is one of the few people in the BB world I trust without question, told me that the video track is a mono fold-down of the 2007 recording. Seeing as you cannot evidently tell the difference between mono and stereo, I'd say your gut instinct is open to rigorous questioning, if not outright dismissal.

Yes, it does sound a lot like Bruce... but Mark says it isn't, Bruce says it isn't and above all simple logic says it isn't (aside from anything else, elements that are clearly from the 2007 track overlay it, so it's not a simple edit as some have claimed). But, as I said, can't make someone understand something they don't want to hear. The album track and the video track are the same recording, and Bruce isn't on it.
And The award for most mean spirited post of the year goes to....

well obviously.

This isn't directed to Mr. Doe, but listening to the Sendspace files again, you can call me stubborn but I have to agree with most of the posters here in saying that it sounds like Mr. Johnston. I have no connection with any BB related figures, but my ears think it's Johnston, my mind think's it's Johnston and my gut...well most of you can do the math. I admire Mr. Doe for his information but am disliking his personality.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: oldsurferdude on November 02, 2008, 06:58:21 PM
My reply about the confusion was directed to Billy, not you.  Fade back into oblivion, please. Your shrewd and negative attitude isn't wanted.




Ah, Jonas...thank you! Mr. Omnipotence will be most welcome in oblivion where arrogance is the preferred 'tude. :smokin


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: smile-holland on November 03, 2008, 02:48:02 AM
Why do I get the feeling that this topic is heading towards kindergarten-level?

C'mon! Discussing 2 weeks (or 2 months fo that matter) is way too much for a 2-second-snippet of a random recording (well okay, it's God Only Knows, but still...).


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 03, 2008, 10:23:26 AM
Sometimes, you can get so wrapped up in something so trivial that you just can't see how extremely stupid it - and you - are. It takes someone else to point it out to you, as happened to me the other night. No-one cares outside this board... hell, no-one cares outside this thread. I'm not sure I really care any more. I know what I think, Joe knows what he thinks and we both feel the supporting evidence is enough to prove us right. Big fat hairy deal - it's music, it's a rock band, not world peace or a cure for AIDS. Doesn't matter except to uber-geeks like us, isn't worth the hassle and name-calling and I'm sure the 180 site are wondering why the hit count for the BW clip just went off the scale. I'm done with this particular piece of nonsense: from where the sun now stands , I will argue it no more forever. Fact is we'll never know. Done, dusted, move on.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on November 03, 2008, 10:48:07 AM
Amen! I'm glad you're back, Andrew.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 03, 2008, 02:18:28 PM
Sometimes, you can get so wrapped up in something so trivial that you just can't see how extremely stupid it - and you - are. It takes someone else to point it out to you, as happened to me the other night. No-one cares outside this board... hell, no-one cares outside this thread. I'm not sure I really care any more. I know what I think, Joe knows what he thinks and we both feel the supporting evidence is enough to prove us right. Big fat hairy deal - it's music, it's a rock band, not world peace or a cure for AIDS. Doesn't matter except to uber-geeks like us, isn't worth the hassle and name-calling and I'm sure the 180 site are wondering why the hit count for the BW clip just went off the scale. I'm done with this particular piece of nonsense: from where the sun now stands , I will argue it no more forever. Fact is we'll never know. Done, dusted, move on.
Well put.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Alex on November 03, 2008, 03:44:26 PM
Sometimes, you can get so wrapped up in something so trivial that you just can't see how extremely stupid it - and you - are. It takes someone else to point it out to you, as happened to me the other night. No-one cares outside this board... hell, no-one cares outside this thread. I'm not sure I really care any more. I know what I think, Joe knows what he thinks and we both feel the supporting evidence is enough to prove us right. Big fat hairy deal - it's music, it's a rock band, not world peace or a cure for AIDS. Doesn't matter except to uber-geeks like us, isn't worth the hassle and name-calling and I'm sure the 180 site are wondering why the hit count for the BW clip just went off the scale. I'm done with this particular piece of nonsense: from where the sun now stands , I will argue it no more forever. Fact is we'll never know. Done, dusted, move on.

Welcome back!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Emdeeh on November 03, 2008, 08:21:35 PM
Please stay, AGD. I enjoy reading your input.






Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Shady on November 03, 2008, 09:06:01 PM
EDIT: POSTED IN WRONG THREAD  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Alan Boyd on November 03, 2008, 10:40:32 PM
I was able to track down the fellow who put together the GOK 2007 video clip - his name is BOB SCHLEINZIG, and his response to my question about that audio was surprising, to say the least.   Here's what Bob had to say:

______________________

You guys got good ears!  Yeah, well I did do a bit of a switch there at the end, yes.  But boy oh boy oh boy, if I knew it was gonna cause so much ruckus I never would have done it, believe me!

You're right - that little bit at the end isn't from the new version that Brian Wilson recorded.  But it's not Bruce Johnson either.  It's really my brother Clint, who was a Beach Boys nut ever since way back when.  He used to drive my dad crazy when we were kids and he'd be listening to Beach Boys records all day long at  full volume, and my dad would keep yelling "Take that damn record off, they sound like mosquitos!" but Clint just loved their music, and years ago he got hold of this weird album that only had the instruments for a lot of Beach Boy songs and so one day he goes and books a studio and he goes in and sings all the songs onto this record so it's like The Beach Boys Greatest Hits by Clint Schleinzig, see?  This was way before Karaoke!  And Clint totally sounded like them which made it almost spooky, especially when he would sing like Bruce Johnson because he could totally nail that guy's voice, you know?  I still remember how he'd hang around the house and sing that Disneyland Girl song all day and my dad actually liked that song, and that meant a lot to Clint because he and my dad always had problems getting along. 

Anyhow, Clint was kind of a screw-up and he always had bad luck.  He stepped on a rake and died last year just before I got this Brian Wilson job and when I was putting the video together I put that little bit off his version of God Only Knows at the very end as a sort of tribute.  It was Clint's dream to sing with the Beach Boys someday and he never lost sight of that dream.  So now he's singing with Brian Wilson and I know that somewhere he's totally getting off on that.

I didn't mean to make anybody angry or cause any problems and I'm very sorry if I did.  I did it for my brother.
_________________________________


Thanks for clearing that up, Bob.

So sorry for your loss.  May Clint live on in the music.





Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: smile-holland on November 04, 2008, 01:14:40 AM
Weird that a simple but lovely gesture (by Bob Schleinzig in memory of his late brother) can cause that much discussion and emotion.

Thank you VERY much for the research, mr. Boyd. This finally cleared thing up.

And now back to our normal lifes...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on November 04, 2008, 02:40:35 AM
Wow, that's a really weird story...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on November 04, 2008, 03:24:35 AM
Wow, that's a really weird story...

I agree. That's a really weird story.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SG7 on November 04, 2008, 05:30:51 AM
 :o


Wow.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on November 04, 2008, 05:51:06 AM
Im so sad to hear about his brother, but at the same time I'm laughing at this whole thing. I noticed while working on the clips that it had a bit of a different sound to the original, but it was closer to the original than the 2007 version. So, if this story holds true, his brother did sound a lot like Bruce...and he totally nailed that part.

RIP Clint. You got the best of us! (the ones with ears at least)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Roger Ryan on November 04, 2008, 05:51:43 AM
...and I guess that would be a logical reason to tinker with the last two seconds of an on-line video clip. Talk about a twist ending!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 04, 2008, 09:59:04 AM
Time to hold up my hands and apologise. I was right about it not being Bruce... and dead wrong about absolutely everything else. For the intemperance, and unkind words, sorry to all they were directed towards. Seems the ears aren't what they used to be.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on November 04, 2008, 10:58:20 AM
It's sad to hear about Clint's passing... May he rest in peace. And many thanks to Alan Boyd for taking the time to do some research on this issue! What a twist ending  :P

Yet...

Well, my last message on this subject was supposed to be the last one, but screw it.

I have a theory about this explanation, that would mean that yes, it's Clint's version that was spliced in, but that Bruce can be heard nevertheless. I've just compared all the versions again and I'm still conviced that it's Bruce on that last "god only knooows what...".

I think Clint Schleinzig may have sung the high "withouuuut" that is done by Brian on the original version. This would explain why some people were saying that Jeff Foskett was "flatting"! I've listened closely to the video version and something weird is going on during this "withouuut" - at the beginning, it's Jeff's voice, but at the end, when the "1966/Clint" version kicks in, it's NOT Brian's voice.

As the "god only knows" part is still Bruce to my ears, my guess is that Clint didn't sing all the parts on the coda and just replaced Brian's part (or more precisely sung over Brian's part) and left Bruce's part on his version.

That's just a theory of course, but one that I would be more than willing to believe because it would make sense to me.


Mr. Boyd, is there any way you could verify this?  ???


(sorry if I look like I'm pushing the whole thing too far!  :-D But it is still sounds awfully like Bruce to me, and I'd really like to know "for sure" if it his him or not. Being able to listen to Clint's entire version would help, but I'm not sure this is possible  :-\)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on November 04, 2008, 11:11:19 AM
As the "god only knows" part is still Bruce to my ears, my guess is that Clint didn't sing all the parts on the coda and just replaced Brian's part (or more precisely sung over Brian's part) and left Bruce's part on his version.

this weird album that only had the instruments for a lot of Beach Boy songs

especially when he would sing like Bruce Johnson because he could totally nail that guy's voice


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: John on November 04, 2008, 11:20:46 AM
Yeah, it's Stack O' Tracks.

End of story.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: smile-holland on November 04, 2008, 12:21:07 PM
Yeah, it's Stack O' Tracks.

End of story.

Seconded. I think after all the hassle, I really think this discussion has to end now. It's Clint, it sounds weird maybe, heck it might sound like Bruce, but even if it was him, I wouldn't sleep less (or more) of it.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: grillo on November 04, 2008, 12:45:32 PM
sloopjohnb, can we please leave this whole topic alone. for god's sake the fella who MADE the video just told us what the deal is. Maybe Clint recorded ALL of the parts. Maybe rubber monkeys will fly out of my ass. Let's move it along now...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on November 04, 2008, 01:03:28 PM
Ya he did make it clear it was his brother singing Bruce's part..and he did know Bruce sang Disney Girls so my guess is he knows the right part. A weird twist for sure, but I think we can file this one in the " done" box


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 04, 2008, 01:07:21 PM
Maybe rubber monkeys will fly out of my ass.

I just sprayed a whole mug of tea all over my monitor.  ;D


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 04, 2008, 01:20:08 PM
I was able to track down the fellow who put together the GOK 2007 video clip - his name is BOB SCHLEINZIG, and his response to my question about that audio was surprising, to say the least.   Here's what Bob had to say:

______________________

You guys got good ears!  Yeah, well I did do a bit of a switch there at the end, yes.  But boy oh boy oh boy, if I knew it was gonna cause so much ruckus I never would have done it, believe me!

You're right - that little bit at the end isn't from the new version that Brian Wilson recorded.  But it's not Bruce Johnson either.  It's really my brother Clint, who was a Beach Boys nut ever since way back when.  He used to drive my dad crazy when we were kids and he'd be listening to Beach Boys records all day long at  full volume, and my dad would keep yelling "Take that damn record off, they sound like mosquitos!" but Clint just loved their music, and years ago he got hold of this weird album that only had the instruments for a lot of Beach Boy songs and so one day he goes and books a studio and he goes in and sings all the songs onto this record so it's like The Beach Boys Greatest Hits by Clint Schleinzig, see?  This was way before Karaoke!  And Clint totally sounded like them which made it almost spooky, especially when he would sing like Bruce Johnson because he could totally nail that guy's voice, you know?  I still remember how he'd hang around the house and sing that Disneyland Girl song all day and my dad actually liked that song, and that meant a lot to Clint because he and my dad always had problems getting along. 

Anyhow, Clint was kind of a screw-up and he always had bad luck.  He stepped on a rake and died last year just before I got this Brian Wilson job and when I was putting the video together I put that little bit off his version of God Only Knows at the very end as a sort of tribute.  It was Clint's dream to sing with the Beach Boys someday and he never lost sight of that dream.  So now he's singing with Brian Wilson and I know that somewhere he's totally getting off on that.

I didn't mean to make anybody angry or cause any problems and I'm very sorry if I did.  I did it for my brother.
_________________________________


Thanks for clearing that up, Bob.

So sorry for your loss.  May Clint live on in the music.





This is the kinda thing I love...two guys argue, almost to the death, and it turns out NEITHER of them is right!  Proof there IS a God!  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SloopJohnB on November 04, 2008, 01:48:43 PM

this weird album that only had the instruments for a lot of Beach Boy songs

especially when he would sing like Bruce Johnson because he could totally nail that guy's voice

True. He might have used the coda of the Pet Sounds version, though. If he recorded his version in a studio, it's quite easy to splice the original coda to the Stack-O-Tracks backing track.

But whatever, I call it quits. You're right - I don't think this subject really matters anyway. Let's move on to more interesting subjects! 8)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 04, 2008, 02:43:31 PM
:lol

More proof that truth is stranger than fiction.




Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on November 04, 2008, 03:32:23 PM
This is the kinda thing I love...two guys argue, almost to the death, and it turns out NEITHER of them is right!  Proof there IS a God!  :)

excuse you! :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: mtaber on November 06, 2008, 01:03:24 PM
... I knew it was Clint all along...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jason on November 06, 2008, 09:08:02 PM
Bring baaaaaaaaack haaaaaaaaaaappy endings....:)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Scott on November 08, 2008, 01:16:36 PM
I'm sorry to stick my nose in this one, but...

You guys believe Mr. Boyd's story?  "Stepped on a rake'?

Scott


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 08, 2008, 01:36:10 PM
It's a typo. He meant 'snake'.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jonas on November 08, 2008, 04:30:11 PM
I'm sorry to stick my nose in this one, but...

You guys believe Mr. Boyd's story?  "Stepped on a rake'?

Scott

Like I told somebody on this board (forgot who), its a bit peculiar...but might as well go with it! :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Dancing Bear on November 08, 2008, 05:22:04 PM
(http://www.buytaert.net/cache/images-miscellaneous-2006-rake-500x500.jpg)

EVIL RAKE. Coming Soon to a Theater Near You!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on November 08, 2008, 11:18:36 PM
It's possible to get tetanus from a rake.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Scott on November 08, 2008, 11:21:11 PM
It's possible to get tetanus from a rake.

Possibly from planting one's tongue too far in one's cheek, as well.

Scott


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: shelter on November 09, 2008, 04:06:10 AM
You guys believe Mr. Boyd's story? 

No, not really.

But if that story can end that discussion, I'm willing to accept it as the truth anyway.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 09, 2008, 01:39:03 PM
Amen.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Alex on November 12, 2008, 06:11:30 PM
(http://www.buytaert.net/cache/images-miscellaneous-2006-rake-500x500.jpg)

EVIL RAKE. Coming Soon to a Theater Near You!

Sideshow Bob isn't going to like this movie!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on May 22, 2009, 09:44:28 PM
Al's bio on BB King's says he sings lead on Transcendental Meditation. Here it's listed as Brian. Discuss.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on May 23, 2009, 08:08:35 PM
I think I was the one that went to bat for it being Brian.  I don't remember what I wrote but I think I said while I didn't rule out one of the voices being Al, it sure sounds like a triple tracked Brian when I listened closely.  Al could mimic Brian's falsetto pretty closely, but it didn't sound like him to me.  Still, not out of the question.

He DID sing lead on "TM Song" on 15 BIG ONES though.  Could he have gotten the two confused?  It would not surprise me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on May 25, 2009, 05:22:46 PM
Al sang a lot of the falsetto parts on Friends, which, combined with some kind of official word from Al's "people", leads me to lean towards him.

Also, I'm rereading that "Clint Schleinzig" story that Alan Boyd posted as an explanation as to who was singing at the end of the God Only Knows clip, and it just seems really really fake to me. I don't even think Schleinzig is a real last name.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: runnersdialzero on May 25, 2009, 08:55:40 PM
Al sang a lot of the falsetto parts on Friends, which, combined with some kind of official word from Al's "people", leads me to lean towards him.

Also, I'm rereading that "Clint Schleinzig" story that Alan Boyd posted as an explanation as to who was singing at the end of the God Only Knows clip, and it just seems really really fake to me. I don't even think Schleinzig is a real last name.

I'd guess it Brian with Al doing one of the parts. Al could sound like Brian at times, but never THAT much like Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: adamghost on May 26, 2009, 01:15:58 PM
Perhaps it was Al, Brian and Clint...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Glenn Greenberg on December 20, 2009, 09:38:22 AM
Please delete.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: runnersdialzero on December 21, 2009, 10:16:36 PM
Please delete.

You bumped an ancient thread which probably would have stayed buried to say "delete it"?

Errmmm.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Glenn Greenberg on December 23, 2009, 11:17:46 PM
Please delete.

You bumped an ancient thread which probably would have stayed buried to say "delete it"?

Errmmm.


I meant, please delete my post--NOT the whole thread.





Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on December 24, 2009, 06:59:55 PM
More than one of your posts say "Please delete". I find it odd.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 16, 2010, 09:04:50 AM
I feel strongly that Lonely Sea needs some additional credit given to Mike and Dennis who (beginning at 1:55) essentially sing a round with Brian, each taking solo line turns.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Autotune on January 17, 2010, 07:57:21 AM
and no Adrian Baker falsetto lead in "hot fun in the summertime". It's Carl.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: tpesky on January 17, 2010, 04:04:56 PM
So much fun re reading this. Maybe I missed this, but one thing caught my eye. On the Knebworth Cal. Girls, Al should deserve a mention for singing the tag and the lead on the choruses. It's his falsetto.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 18, 2010, 05:14:29 AM
One thing:

I saw earlier on discussion of a section of the Smiley Smile "Wind Chimes". The Official thread reads...

Dennis: Close your eyes and lean back
Listen to wind chimes

Dennis clearly sings, "Listen to wind chimes", but I disagree about the first part also being him. The most damning evidence is that it wouldn't fit the flow of the rest of the song - one member sings the first line, another sings the 2nd. For instance, in the beginning, Brian sings, "Hanging down from my window," followed by Mike, "Those are my wind chimes."

The entire song follows this pattern - why would this one line with what is clearly two very different sounding voices break that pattern?

There's an alternate/rough mix of the song out there, not a fan edit, that has the full line in this part of the song: "Close your eyes and lean back now," which is also on the original Smile recording. The "now" is, for whatever reason, edited out on the official Smiley Smile album.

I always thought this line sounded like Brian, but if you hear this mix, you'll know it's him - the "now" has all the characteristics of a Brian Wilson vocal, no one else. I'm fairly certain it's actually...

Brian: Close your eyes and lean back (now)
Dennis: Listen to wind chimes

Even if it isn't Brian, there's no way Dennis does both lines.

Anyone agree? Disagree?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: grillo on January 18, 2010, 10:17:54 AM
Yeah, definitely sounds like Brian's weird Pied Piper voice.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on January 18, 2010, 11:28:10 PM
Yeah, definitely sounds like Brian's weird Pied Piper voice.

That's what I always thought too.  The first line never sounded like Dennis to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: punkinhead on February 25, 2011, 09:02:30 PM
Well, now that I finally found the thread I wanna bring it back to topic & see if there's anything we're missing, of course, we've got the official stuff, but how about the not so unofficial stuff?

I'll get back to the stuff I'm wondering about when I check over this whole thread and make sure I don't repeat anything


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: punkinhead on February 25, 2011, 10:08:59 PM
rare Vocals in question


-Thank Him (obviously Brian. is Bob Norberg on there?)
-Back Home from 63 (Brian's on lead and I feel like I hear mostly Carl on backing vocals, but assuming it's all the guys?)
-Barbie (lead-Brian. I feel like I read somewhere it was Carl and Audree on backing vocals)
-Luau-group vocal? I hear mostly Brian, Carl, and Mike on bass. Who sings the line: "Girls with a hula, Boys will all sing"?
-Lonely Days (both versions on Hawthorne and Get the B00T)- is it Brian who counts them off for the instrumental tracking? Some guy says "I can't get used to it Brian, f***, give me a chance." or something like that...it doesn't sound like Carl's voice, but with the way he's talking about playing, I know Carl has been known to use the harsh language when it comes to not performing well (ie: Girl Don't Tell Me sessions), but he usually apologizes.  ;)  Vocally, I hear Carl, and then is it Bruce I hear on the line "crowded highway, goin my way." Then the chorus comes in, kinda sounds like either Mike or Al joins in.
-With a Little Help from my Friends-Bruce on lead, then Carl and Denny on backing vocals?
-Brian's Back (early version with just choruses sung, nothing sung but backing vocals on the verses)- I hear mostly Brian, Al, and Mike.
-Calendar Girl- Brian on chorus, kinda sounds like his vocals are doubled, but then again, on a different version it sounds like Bruce singing it with Brian. Of course, Mike on verses.
-Jamaica Farewell-I'm thinking this is California Music and not the BB, but then again, I recall them recording a version after L.A. but before KTSA, but I could be wrong. I feel like I hear Bruce on this track...or is this one of those Brian played organ or keys on?
-Michael, Row the Boat Ashore- Mike on lead. I hear Al, Brian, and maybe Carl on backing vocals. BTW, I love the backing vocals to this song, I wouldn't mind hearing a complete/remastered version, maybe the backing track wouldn't sound so cheesy.
-Mony, Mony- Al on lead vocals. Then I hear mostly Brian on backing vocals. A little bit of Mike's bass.
-On Broadway- Al on lead....Brian mostly on backing.
-Runnin' Bear- Mike on lead
-Shake Rattle and Roll- Al on lead, Brian and Carl on backing?
-Let's Go to the Hop- Mike on lead, Al, Carl and Mike (bass) on the backing vocals
-Runaway (live)- Al on lead
-Hard Time-Blondie on lead?
-Problem Child- Carl on lead, Mike on bass?
-Imagine (live)- Mike on lead
-Buzz Buzz Buzz (live)- Al on lead?
-Happy Birthday America (live)-Mike on lead
-Sister Golden Hair (live)- idk?
-Draggin' (live with Roger McGuinn 1974)-lead Roger McGuinn?  :lol
-Merry Minuet (live in 1980)- Al and Mike on lead (real dorks too!)
-California Beach/Skatetown USA- Mike on lead...backing vocals, hard to tell, I wanna say Al and Carl, but the quality makes it hard.
-Da Doo Run Run- Carl on lead, Mike and Carl on backing vocals
-Let's Dance/Do you Wanna Dance- Mike on lead, sounds like Al chimes in on the chorus, but again the quality is really bad, even hard to hear on headphones.
-Little Girl- Carl on lead vocals.
-River Deep, Mountain High-Brian on leads
-Go and Get that Girl- Carl on lead

I'm sure I missed a lot, I just wanted to throw a lot of the more rare stuff out there and see if anyone heard something I didn't or has been listening any closer.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: lance on February 25, 2011, 11:18:40 PM
I think Mony Mony might be Billy Hinsche, otherwise I agree with you or dont know...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 26, 2011, 01:12:27 AM
-Thank Him (obviously Brian. is Bob Norberg on there?) - yes

-Back Home from 63 (Brian's on lead and I feel like I hear mostly Carl on backing vocals, but assuming it's all the guys?) - no BB except Brian on the track, vocally or instrumentally

-Barbie (lead-Brian. I feel like I read somewhere it was Carl and Audree on backing vocals) - bvs are Carl, Audree & Alan

-Luau-group vocal? I hear mostly Brian, Carl, and Mike on bass. Who sings the line: "Girls with a hula, Boys will all sing"? - Dennis

-Lonely Days (both versions on Hawthorne and Get the B00T)- is it Brian who counts them off for the instrumental tracking? Some guy says "I can't get used to it Brian, f***, give me a chance." or something like that...it doesn't sound like Carl's voice, but with the way he's talking about playing, I know Carl has been known to use the harsh language when it comes to not performing well (ie: Girl Don't Tell Me sessions), but he usually apologizes.  Wink  Vocally, I hear Carl, and then is it Bruce I hear on the line "crowded highway, goin my way." Then the chorus comes in, kinda sounds like either Mike or Al joins in. - Carl, I think

-With a Little Help from my Friends-Bruce on lead, then Carl and Denny on backing vocals?  -whole band

-Brian's Back (early version with just choruses sung, nothing sung but backing vocals on the verses)- I hear mostly Brian, Al, and Mike. - yup

-Calendar Girl- Brian on chorus, kinda sounds like his vocals are doubled, but then again, on a different version it sounds like Bruce singing it with Brian. Of course, Mike on verses. - possibly

-Jamaica Farewell-I'm thinking this is California Music and not the BB, but then again, I recall them recording a version after L.A. but before KTSA, but I could be wrong. I feel like I hear Bruce on this track...or is this one of those Brian played organ or keys on? - indeed CM, and yes, Brian played organ

-Michael, Row the Boat Ashore- Mike on lead. I hear Al, Brian, and maybe Carl on backing vocals. BTW, I love the backing vocals to this song, I wouldn't mind hearing a complete/remastered version, maybe the backing track wouldn't sound so cheesy.

-Mony, Mony- Al on lead vocals. Then I hear mostly Brian on backing vocals. A little bit of Mike's bass. - lead vocal is Billy Hinsche

-On Broadway- Al on lead....Brian mostly on backing.

-Runnin' Bear- Mike on lead - yes to all the following unless the answer isn't yes... err, if you see what I mean :-)

-Shake Rattle and Roll- Al on lead, Brian and Carl on backing?

-Let's Go to the Hop- Mike on lead, Al, Carl and Mike (bass) on the backing vocals

-Runaway (live)- Al on lead

-Hard Time-Blondie on lead?

-Problem Child- Carl on lead, Mike on bass?

-Imagine (live)- Mike on lead

-Buzz Buzz Buzz (live)- Al on lead?

-Happy Birthday America (live)-Mike on lead - no other BB on the track: 'hidden' track on the Rockin' 4th of July album

-Sister Golden Hair (live)- idk? - Gerry Beckley

-Draggin' (live with Roger McGuinn 1974)-lead Roger McGuinn?  LOL

-Merry Minuet (live in 1980)- Al and Mike on lead (real dorks too!)

-California Beach/Skatetown USA- Mike on lead...backing vocals, hard to tell, I wanna say Al and Carl, but the quality makes it hard.

-Da Doo Run Run- Carl on lead, Mike and Carl on backing vocals

-Let's Dance/Do you Wanna Dance- Mike on lead, sounds like Al chimes in on the chorus, but again the quality is really bad, even hard to hear on headphones. - those are from the sessions Mike did with Adrian Baker in 1982: no Alan

-Little Girl- Carl on lead vocals.

-River Deep, Mountain High-Brian on leads

-Go and Get that Girl- Carl on lead


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on February 26, 2011, 05:08:08 AM
Yes, Al sang the lead on their live version of Buzz, Buzz, Buzz.  They did it at the '84 DC July 4th gig, so there's probably video out on youtube or somewhere.  Interestingly, a couple of weeks back I was in my local grocery store, and I heard this song (by the original doo-wop artists) come over the instore speaker system.  It took me a verse or two to realize what it was, as I think the only rendition I'd ever heard was the BBs, and that was ages ago.  I take that back, Huey Lewis and the News also did a version, but again, that was light years ago.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 26, 2011, 02:39:45 PM
I also thought that it was Al that sang Mony Mony, and as I was getting ready to post something about that here we have another instance when even BB associates sound like other Beach Boys, I listened to the song again and it didn't sound like Al anymore. Weird.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jay on February 26, 2011, 10:45:11 PM
On the last thirty seconds or so of Da Do Run Run, I keep hearing a rather shrill sounding high voice that sounds a lot like Brian did in the early to mid 180's. Are yo sure it's only Carl and Mike?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Fall Breaks on June 05, 2012, 04:41:03 AM
With the new album out, isn't it time (ahahaha) to dissect the vocal lines here so that we can add to the lead vocal sticker thread above?

(Please begin, those of you with better ears than mine!)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 05, 2012, 05:22:30 AM
With the new album out, isn't it time (ahahaha) to dissect the vocal lines here so that we can add to the lead vocal sticker thread above?

(Please begin, those of you with better ears than mine!)

The Smile Sessions need it, too. I'd be very willing to help, I made a thread about this about a week ago, but it was quickly buried.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Paulos on June 05, 2012, 12:10:32 PM
Can one of the mods add TWGMTR to the vocal credits list? I ask as the original creator of the thread doesn't seem to have posted in 4 years.

That's Why God Made The Radio

1. Think About The Days        - Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce and Jeff in harmony
2. That's Why God Made The Radio     - Brian, Mike and Jeff?
3. Isn't It Time              - Brian, Alan, Mike and Jeff?
4. Spring Vacation           - Mike, Bruce and Brian
5. The Private Life Of Bill And Sue     - Brian   
6. Shelter                       - Brian, Jeff/Bruce?
7. Daybreak Over The Ocean         - Mike, Christian Love?
8. Beaches In Mind           - Mike and Brian?
9. Strange World                   - Brian with Jeff doubling?
10. From There To Back Again          - Alan, Brian
11. Pacific Coast Highway        - Brian
12. Summers Gone           - Brian


I realise this may not be very accurate but it's a start, people with much better ears than I can make the necessary corrections.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: GuyO on June 05, 2012, 12:19:27 PM
Ill have a go at this, just for starters...

1. Think about the days - Brian, Mike, Alan, Bruce and Jeff

2. That's Why God Made the Radio - Verses and B-section: Brian. Second part of first verse Brian and Mike (Cruisin at 7...). Last line prominent vocal bij Alan (Capturing memories...) and Bruce (...In my car). Chorus prominent vocal by Jeff. Last line prominent vocal Bruce (That's why God...). Second part of second verse Brian and Alan (...). Last line prominent vocal by Alan (Receiving a signal...). Tag prominent vocals by Jeff, Mike and Bruce.

3. Isn't it time - First verse Brian, prominent bass vocal by Mike?. Chorus by Bruce and Jeff (first and third part), Alan (second part: Every time I think...), Mike and Jeff (fourth part: Isn't it time?). Second verse: Mike. B-section: Jeff and Mike

4. Spring vacation - First verse: Mike (first and second line), Bruce (third line) and Alan and Mike (last line). Chorus: Brian and Jeff. Second verse: Mike (first and second line), Alan and Mike (third line). B-section: Bruce and Mike (prominent bass vocal).

5. The Private life of Bill and Sue - Verses and B-section: Brian. Chorus: Brian and Jeff alternating, prominent falsetto by Bruce. Radio reporter: Skip Masters.

6. Shelter - Verses: Brian. Chorus: Jeff

7. Daybreak over the ocean - Verses: Mike. Chorus: ? Prominent response vocal on verses and chorus by Christian Love


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: GuyO on June 05, 2012, 12:58:48 PM
8. Beaches in Mind - Chorus: Brian and Jeff most prominent. Verses: Mike (first and third line), Mike and Alan (second and fourth line). B-section: Mike

9. Strange world - Brian

10. From there to back again - Verses: Alan. If you just call.. part by Brian and Jeff. Last verse: Brian. Prominent bass vocal: Mike. Whistling: Alan.

11. Pacific Coast Highway - Brian

12. Summer's gone - Brian. Very last word  ...Yesterday vocal respone by Mike


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: the professor on July 05, 2012, 09:45:50 AM
where is the proposed vocal list for TWGMTR?  Doing that comes up against the established discrepancy that the liner  notes omit Dave....and it's apparent that he is singing in all the promotional materials. We have been down that road before, and only some revelation by Capital or the band will clear it up.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on July 05, 2012, 10:30:07 AM
I am pretty damned positive that Brian and Mike both sing Summer's Gone in unison almost the whole way through, ala Kiss Me Baby.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: musicismylife101 on July 05, 2012, 05:39:18 PM
My ears aren't as skilled as yours but I'll chime in a little, correct me if I'm wrong

Isn't It Time - Brian prominent on chorus on "...danced the night away" "...just like yesterday"

Strange World - Jeff doubling Brian on chorus

Daybreak Over the Ocean - Features backing vocals by Christian Love, Hayleigh Love, and Adrian Baker. Al (I think?) prominent on the beginning "Bring back..."

Spring Vacation - Falsetto in chorus by Jeff?

Shelter - Last lines of the chorus someone doubles Jeff, sounds like Mike but not sure

Summer's Gone - Similar to above, someone doubling Brian on various parts, could be him as well


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Chris Brown on July 05, 2012, 06:02:57 PM
I am pretty damned positive that Brian and Mike both sing Summer's Gone in unison almost the whole way through, ala Kiss Me Baby.

If anyone is singing with Brian, I'd put my money on Jeff.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Wirestone on July 05, 2012, 06:56:29 PM
Mike is the one singing along with Brian on several sections of "Summer's Gone." He answers on the "Maybe I'll just stay" line as well. I don't hear him throughout the tune, though.

Shelter features Brian, Jeff on the first part of the chorus, the Mike on the second part of the chorus. "Do you ever still think of me / and the way that we used to be, etc ..."

I suspect that a handful of the bass vocals on the record are by Brian. Certainly the "bom boms" in the Spring Vacation bridge sound a lot like him.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: H Robinson on July 13, 2012, 04:13:12 AM
Could someone please tell me who says:

"Not for us now!" on All Summer Long (All Summer Long)

and

"You're under arrest!" in the Cantina section of Heroes and Villains.

Much appreciated.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: GuyO on July 13, 2012, 05:38:04 AM
Could someone please tell me who says:

"Not for us now!" on All Summer Long (All Summer Long)


Dennis.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Aegir on July 13, 2012, 05:55:47 AM
Sounds to me like Jeff doubles Brian for the entirety of That's Why God Made the Radio, in addition to his other vocal tracks.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: The Shift on April 27, 2013, 09:55:24 AM
Hate to see a valuable thread like this cast adrift; i sthere anywhere else it could be moored for easy refernce?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 27, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
Could someone please tell me who says:

"Not for us now!" on All Summer Long (All Summer Long)


Dennis.

I think that was determined to be Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 27, 2013, 10:38:42 AM
And yeah, Jeff doubles all of Brian's lead on "Radio" as well as Mike's brief lead before the last chorus. I don't understand why they opted to do something like this on such an important song in their career.

Hate to be critical, I like the album a lot, but it feels like the condition of the guys' voice was intentionally masked throughout the entire record and it kind of sucks and sells the guys way shorter than they deserve. The whole vocal mix and production is a big mess.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: The Shift on April 27, 2013, 02:23:29 PM
Great solution, many thanks Mods. Much appreciated.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 27, 2013, 02:31:07 PM
Great solution, many thanks Mods. Much appreciated.

It was so intrusive before.

RITE?

REITE?

EIORIOOHHHHH


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: The Shift on April 27, 2013, 02:50:27 PM
Tbh, I find myself automatically skipping the top four posts in the General thread menu now… this solution's better than them being cast adrift to sink to the bottom of the sump.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jason on April 27, 2013, 03:22:51 PM
Some folks have nothing better to do than bitch...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Emdeeh on May 03, 2013, 02:01:05 PM
7. Daybreak Over The Ocean         - Mike, Christian Love?

I just listened to this song again -- Hayleigh Love is also singing background vocals.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on May 03, 2013, 02:28:32 PM
Could someone please tell me who says:

"Not for us now!" on All Summer Long (All Summer Long)


Dennis.

Hmmm...sounds like Mike to me (going from memory here).
I think that was determined to be Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: grillo on May 03, 2013, 07:45:26 PM
I'm almost 100% positive it's Al doing "not for us now!"


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 06, 2013, 07:28:07 AM
Listened again - it's Brian.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on May 06, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
Could someone please tell me who says:

"Not for us now!" on All Summer Long (All Summer Long)
Dennis.
I think that was determined to be Brian.
Hmmm...sounds like Mike to me (going from memory here).
It sounds like Dennis slightly, but yes, it is Mike - there is some nasality factor in that tiny bit.

Sounds like Brian to me.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Paulos on May 08, 2013, 01:06:25 PM
Just in case someone wants the actual 'completed' vocal credit list -http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: punkinhead on May 08, 2013, 01:11:28 PM
Can we make a thread similar to this but it's a definitive thread for instruments played on each track?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on May 08, 2013, 01:43:57 PM
Just in case someone wants the actual 'completed' vocal credit list -http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html)

We need to do one for TWGMTR.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: TomWollaert on May 11, 2013, 08:42:17 AM
Could someone please tell me who says:

"Not for us now!" on All Summer Long (All Summer Long)
Dennis.
I think that was determined to be Brian.
Hmmm...sounds like Mike to me (going from memory here).
It sounds like Dennis slightly, but yes, it is Mike - there is some nasality factor in that tiny bit.

Sounds like Brian to me.

Sounds like Brian to me aswell, I tried isolating his vocal here:  http://tomwollaert.be/NotForUsNow.mp3

Quite clearly sounds like Brian, the "now" in particular reminds me instantly of the vocals only version of WIBN.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: punkinhead on May 11, 2013, 02:50:57 PM
Can we make a thread similar to this but it's a definitive thread for instruments played on each track?

I could submit the ones I know from album credits. Anyone know how to get credits for others not listed?

Use Keith Badman's book?  ;)

(besides guessing)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Gertie J. on May 11, 2013, 03:51:30 PM
www.beachboysarchives.com/


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: punkinhead on May 11, 2013, 07:25:55 PM
www.beachboysarchives.com/
Good call but it's limited and hasn't been updated in sometime. Could use it for POB, Bambu, today!


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on May 23, 2013, 11:52:55 PM
I put together vocal credits for the live album.  Some are probaly slightly off but with all the doubling, it can get tricky.  Feel free to correct me.

1. Do It Again - Mike, Brian (bridge)
2. Little Honda - Mike
3. Catch a Wave - Mike and Jeff Foskett
4. Hawaii - Mike (verses), Jeff Foskett (chorus)
5. Don't Back Down - Mike (verses), Jeff Foskett (chorus)
6. Surfin' Safari - Mike
7. Surfer Girl - Group Vocals, Jeff Foskett (melody), Brian (bridge)
8. The Little Girl I Once Knew - Brian and Jeff Foskett
9. Wendy - Bruce (verses), Jeff Foskett (chorus)
10. Getcha Back - David
11. Then I Kissed Her - Al
12. Marcella - Brian
13. Isn't It Time - Brian (first verse), Bruce and Al (chorus), Mike (second verse and bridge)
14. Why Do Fools Fall In Love - Jeff Foskett
15. When I Grow Up (To Be a Man) - Mike (verses), Jeff Foskett with Brian (chorus)
16. Disney Girls - Bruce
17. Be True to Your School - Mike
18. Little Deuce Coupe - Mike
19. 409 - Mike
20. Shut Down - Mike
21. I Get Around - Mike (verses), Jeff Foskett with Bruce and Brian (chorus)

1. Pet Sounds - Instrumental
2. Add Some Music to Your Day - Brian with Bruce and Al on certain lines
3. Heroes and Villains - Brian
4. California Saga - Brian (Intro), Mike (first and third verse), Al (second verse and chorus)
5. In My Room - Brian and Al
6. All This is That - Mike, Al and Brian
7. That's Why God Made the Radio - Brian
8. Forever - Dennis
9. God Only Knows - Carl
10. Sloop John B - Brian, Mike (second verse)
11. Wouldn't It Be Nice - Al, Mike (bridge)
12. Good Vibrations - Brian (verses), Mike (chorus)
13. California Girls - Mike (verses), Jeff Foskett with Brian and Bruce (chorus)
14. Help Me, Rhonda - Al
15. Rock and Roll Music - Mike
16. Surfin' U.S.A. - Mike
17. Kokomo - Mike (verses), Jeff Foskett with Brian and Bruce (chorus)
18. Barbara Ann - Group Vocals (Bruce, Al, and Jeff being the most prominent)
19. Fun, Fun, Fun - Mike with Brian and Jeff


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 30, 2013, 03:53:15 AM
Could someone please tell me who says:

"You're under arrest!" in the Cantina section of Heroes and Villains.

Much appreciated.

Gene Gaddy, then-boyfriend and future husband of Barbara Rovell.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 30, 2013, 03:55:04 AM
Can we make a thread similar to this but it's a definitive thread for instruments played on each track?

I could submit the ones I know from album credits. Anyone know how to get credits for others not listed?

Use Keith Badman's book?  ;)

(besides guessing)

Easy.

All instruments 1962-67 - Carol Kaye. She was there... she knows. Even when she wasn't there.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Quzi on May 31, 2013, 01:51:07 AM
Can we make a thread similar to this but it's a definitive thread for instruments played on each track?

I could submit the ones I know from album credits. Anyone know how to get credits for others not listed?

Use Keith Badman's book?  ;)

(besides guessing)

There's quite a bit of info scattered around the boards and on Wikipedia etc. I'm sure if it was all collated somewhere we'd have a pretty nifty reference list on our hands.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Jurrasic Mark on July 05, 2013, 04:34:31 AM
Something has been bugging me about the live album. Every time I listen to "Why Do Fool's Fall In Love?", in various places i can hear a woman's voice. Most prominently in the extended "Looooove" at the beginning.

Did a female guest with the band at any show where this was taken from? There is 100% a femal voice in the mix.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Ram4 on October 23, 2013, 12:20:47 PM
I'm a little confused here, what happened to having all the albums with who sings what pinned to the first post of this thread?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 12, 2013, 10:32:11 PM
Just in case someone wants the actual 'completed' vocal credit list -http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html)

We need to do one for TWGMTR.

That's Why God Made The Radio
Capitol 509996 02824 2 2
Released May 2012 - #3

Recorded July 2011-March 2012 except *2005, +May 2011, #February 2012

Produced by Brian Wilson except *Paul Fauerso
Executive Producer: Mike Love

Think About The Days+ (B. Wilson/Thomas) - group
That's Why God Made The Radio#  (B. Wilson/Peterik/Millas/Thomas) - Brian, Alan
Isn't It Time (B. Wilson/Love/Peterik/Millas/Thomas) - Brian, Bruce, Alan, Mike, Jeff Foskett
Spring Vacation (B. Wilson/Love/Thomas) - Mike, Bruce, Brian
The Private Life Of Bill And Sue (B. Wilson/Thomas) - Brian (radio announcer - Skip Masters)
Shelter (B. Wilson/Thomas) - Brian, Jeff Foskett, Mike
Daybreak Over The Ocean* (Love) - Mike
Beaches In Mind (B. Wilson/Love/Thomas) - Mike
Strange World (B. Wilson/Thomas) - Brian
From There To Back Again (B. Wilson/Thomas) - Alan, Brian, Mike (whistling - Alan)
Pacific Coast Highway (B. Wilson/Thomas) - group, Brian
Summer’s Gone (B. Wilson/Bon Jovi/Thomas) - Brian (with Mike)

The band for this album comprised Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Alan Jardine, Bruce Johnston and David Marks


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on November 13, 2013, 01:45:02 AM
From There To Back Again (B. Wilson/Thomas) - [...] (whistling - Alan)
At 1st I was going to object to this bit, because till 5 minutes ago I never considered whistling a vocal. But 5 minutes ago (well, 8-9 already) I went to Google & turns out whistling is as much a vocal as an actual singing. Inet rules.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Autotune on December 01, 2013, 11:07:06 AM
How She Boogalooed it.

Carl's lead, as has been comfirmed.

Does anyone think it is sped-up?


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: punkinhead on December 06, 2013, 08:58:12 PM
I have a request, can we do a vocal inventory on the Beach Boys' solo albums? I think it'd be really interesting to see who sang what on POB and Bambu. But I'd also like to see what songs Carl sang backing vocals on for Mike's unreleased albums.
So let's propose a list of albums (solo) that we can help ID the (really noticeable) backing vocalists....the leads should be obvious as to who's solo album it is  ;)

Lady/Sound of Free
Goin Public
POB
Bambu
Celebration's albums- Almost Summer, Celebration, Disco Celebration
First love
Country love
Looking back with love
Unleash the love
Carl Wilson
Youngblood
All of Brian's solo albums
Al Family and friends live in LV
Postcard from CA

Did I forget anything?

I'm looking forward to this!!



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: retrokid67 on December 25, 2013, 09:44:51 PM
I have a request, can we do a vocal inventory on the Beach Boys' solo albums? I think it'd be really interesting to see who sang what on POB and Bambu. But I'd also like to see what songs Carl sang backing vocals on for Mike's unreleased albums.
So let's propose a list of albums (solo) that we can help ID the (really noticeable) backing vocalists....the leads should be obvious as to who's solo album it is  ;)

Lady/Sound of Free
Goin Public
POB
Bambu
Celebration's albums- Almost Summer, Celebration, Disco Celebration
First love
Country love
Looking back with love
Unleash the love
Carl Wilson
Youngblood
All of Brian's solo albums
Al Family and friends live in LV
Postcard from CA

Did I forget anything?

I'm looking forward to this!!



I agree and to be clear on the obvious Four Freshman arrangements type songs on who sang on what, particularly in the early years, whether Al was still with them or if Denny was out surfin etc...


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on March 10, 2014, 04:23:53 AM
Just in case someone wants the actual 'completed' vocal credit list -http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html)

We need to do one for TWGMTR.

That's Why God Made The Radio
Capitol 509996 02824 2 2
Released May 2012 - #3

Recorded July 2011-March 2012 except *2005, +May 2011, #February 2012

Produced by Brian Wilson except *Paul Fauerso
Executive Producer: Mike Love

Think About The Days+ (B. Wilson/Thomas) - group
That's Why God Made The Radio#  (B. Wilson/Peterik/Millas/Thomas) - Brian, Alan
Isn't It Time (B. Wilson/Love/Peterik/Millas/Thomas) - Brian, Bruce, Alan, Mike, Jeff Foskett
Spring Vacation (B. Wilson/Love/Thomas) - Mike, Bruce, Brian
The Private Life Of Bill And Sue (B. Wilson/Thomas) - Brian (radio announcer - Skip Masters)
Shelter (B. Wilson/Thomas) - Brian, Jeff Foskett, Mike
Daybreak Over The Ocean* (Love) - Mike
Beaches In Mind (B. Wilson/Love/Thomas) - Mike
Strange World (B. Wilson/Thomas) - Brian
From There To Back Again (B. Wilson/Thomas) - Alan, Brian, Mike (whistling - Alan)
Pacific Coast Highway (B. Wilson/Thomas) - group, Brian
Summer’s Gone (B. Wilson/Bon Jovi/Thomas) - Brian (with Mike)

The band for this album comprised Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Alan Jardine, Bruce Johnston and David Marks


I would add Jeff, Bruce and Mike to the title song lead vocal credits...Jeff obviously sings the most prominent part in the chorus, Bruce sings almost as many "cameos" as Al, and Mike doubles Jeff (an octave lower) in the choruses.
I would add Jeff on "Bill and Sue" and "PCH".


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: punkinhead on May 14, 2014, 10:32:58 PM
I have a request, can we do a vocal inventory on the Beach Boys' solo albums? I think it'd be really interesting to see who sang what on POB and Bambu. But I'd also like to see what songs Carl sang backing vocals on for Mike's unreleased albums.
So let's propose a list of albums (solo) that we can help ID the (really noticeable) backing vocalists....the leads should be obvious as to who's solo album it is  ;)

Lady/Sound of Free
Goin Public
POB
Bambu
Celebration's albums- Almost Summer, Celebration, Disco Celebration
First love
Country love
Looking back with love
Unleash the love
Carl Wilson
Youngblood
All of Brian's solo albums
Al Family and friends live in LV
Postcard from CA

Did I forget anything?

I'm looking forward to this!!


No takers?
Perhaps I'll throw some credits out there if anyone is interested.
I can start doing research within my archives, notes, and other goodies.
I just don't know if I know any songs that'll make up an album, or just a few random songs from POB and a couple from looking back with Love, and some from Postcard from CA.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: punkinhead on August 18, 2014, 08:42:13 PM
Thinking about it now, we should do definitive vocals for the newer unreleased songs from Made in California...sure we know Denny sang lead on WIBNTLA and Barnyard Blues, but I'd love to read if someone heard other voices on the recordings and who it was...since I still don't own MIC, I don't know if alternative versions would apply such as Amusement Parks USA (I've only heard it a few times), but we do know there's way more vocals to identify on the alternative version of Meant For You.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: JK on October 30, 2015, 05:54:14 AM
This absolute gem of a topic should be more visible than it has been of late.

For a straight list of who sang lead on what, go to http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html 


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on November 28, 2015, 08:52:39 AM
This absolute gem of a topic should be more visible than it has been of late.

For a straight list of who sang lead on what, go to http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html 

You're right - and I just caught an error there:

8.    I'm So Lonely                          - Brian (verses, refrains) and Carl (middle-eight) 2
9.    Where I Belong                        - Carl (verses) and Alan (chorus counter-melody)
10.  I Do Love You                          - Carl (verses) and Alan (refrains)
11.  It's Just A Matter Of Time         - Brian and Mike
 

Bonus Tracks:

12.  Male Ego                                  - Mike and Brian
13.  California Dreamin' (Version One)    - Mike (1st verse), Carl (2nd verse), Alan (third verse, chorus)
14.  Chasin' The Sky                      - Carl, with Mike on bass vocal
15.  East Meets West                    - Mike, Alan, Carl, Frankie Valli and Brian +

1 Prominent vocal: Brian on response vocal on the choruses.
2 Prominent vocal: Stevie Wonder on the fade.


I'm pretty sure Stevie Wonder does not sing on the fade of "I'm So Lonely", but rather on the fade of "I Do Love You".  :)


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: the captain on November 28, 2015, 08:59:30 AM
Thinking about it now, we should do definitive vocals for the newer unreleased songs from Made in California...sure we know Denny sang lead on WIBNTLA and Barnyard Blues, but I'd love to read if someone heard other voices on the recordings and who it was...

I hadn't noticed the activity in this--as john k correctly said--gem of a topic, but I agree that the previously unreleased tunes in particular on MIC would be well worth studying.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: pixletwin on November 28, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
Thinking about it now, we should do definitive vocals for the newer unreleased songs from Made in California...sure we know Denny sang lead on WIBNTLA and Barnyard Blues, but I'd love to read if someone heard other voices on the recordings and who it was...

I hadn't noticed the activity in this--as john k correctly said--gem of a topic, but I agree that the previously unreleased tunes in particular on MIC would be well worth studying.

If only we had, say, a sessionography....  :angel:


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Emily on December 07, 2015, 07:46:52 PM
I feel confident that I've seen a thread like this, but without the discussion; just a list of albums with vocal credits. But now I can't find it. Did I imagine it? Can anyone help me?
Eta: hilarious. There's a link about 4 posts above. Never mind.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 07, 2015, 08:06:36 PM
Typing "definitive vocal" in the search box, I've got several results. Make sure to search by "Topic subjects only". This one is called "Thread", the other you're referring to is "List": http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Emily on December 07, 2015, 08:07:29 PM
Typing "definitive vocal" in the search box, I've got several results. Make sure to search by "Topic subjects only". This one is called "Thread", the other you're referring to is "List": http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html
Thanks for the search tips!  Clicking "topic subjects only" was the missing link.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on December 07, 2015, 09:10:27 PM
I actually read these "search tips" here: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?action=help;page=searching

It is a "Help" page last chapter. Click it & you'll see Introduction; how to register etc.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RONDEMON on April 19, 2018, 07:27:04 AM
Been listening to "Let the Wind Blow" lately, and it seems it's Brian and Carl doing unisons on every lead line besides the "Oohs" in the verses. But they're BOTH singing in unison on the "Don't take her out of my life..." part. Kind of cool that only 3 BBs sang on that one.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: RONDEMON on May 04, 2018, 08:36:30 PM
I don't know if it's useful information, but all the backing vocals on "Feel Flows" are Carl and Marilyn (per Marilyn).

I love "Feel Flows" so much more now that I know Marilyn sings on it. Her and Carl had a great blend. Sounds like she's singing the high "ahhhhhs" in the verses too.



Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: c-man on June 05, 2018, 06:28:27 PM
I don't know if it's useful information, but all the backing vocals on "Feel Flows" are Carl and Marilyn (per Marilyn).

I love "Feel Flows" so much more now that I know Marilyn sings on it. Her and Carl had a great blend. Sounds like she's singing the high "ahhhhhs" in the verses too.



I've always heard Bruce on the chorus to "Feel Flows", and had the chance to ask him a few years back - he told me that Carl asked Brian to sing on it, and Brian asked him (Bruce) to sing on it, so the two of them sang it together. Maybe Marilyn was just thinking of the verse backgrounds, which I can totally hear as her and Carl.


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: JK on December 13, 2018, 12:57:04 PM
This absolute gem of a topic should be more visible than it has been of late.

For a straight list of who sang lead on what, go to http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.0.html 

And I'm bumping it again, just to get that d*ckhead pridelove955 off the "General On Topic Discussions" page. :lol


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: Stephen W. Desper on December 26, 2019, 06:02:47 AM
testing


Title: Re: The Definitive Vocal Credits Thread...
Post by: SBonilla on December 26, 2019, 06:32:06 AM
testing

check. one...two...