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Title: "I think I've been f*cked"
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 15, 2007, 09:41:03 PM
Question:

What songs were on the infamous demo (for what later became LA Light) that caused Walter Yetnikoff to  make that famous statement? According to the P A Carlin book and others, Brian was producing, and shortly after that comment was made, he called Bruce back into the fold. What was on that tape? I know "Looking Down the Coast" and "Calendar Girl"  (and possibly "Santa Ana Winds")were on it; what else was there?


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Post by: Exapno Mapcase on February 15, 2007, 11:24:40 PM
Well, two of those songs would'be improved it considerably.  Instead, we all got f***ed with Here Comes the Night!


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Post by: Jason Penick on February 16, 2007, 02:22:43 AM
Well I'm not sure how much Bruce had a hand in production-wise with "California Feeling", but that was finished up at this time.  It's hard to believe Yetnikoff would have had a problem with that track, though, and personally I think Al's songs from that era are some of the best he ever did. 

So I'm thinking the stuff that pissed old Walter off would have been more among these lines:

Calander Girl
It Could Be Anything
I'm Begging You Please
Why Didn't You Tell Me?
Skatetown USA
A Little Something


Enough to piss any Beach Boys fan off, really.   :afro


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Post by: Smilin Ed H on February 16, 2007, 04:35:19 AM
Wow.  Imagine these along with Here Comes the Night.  What an album.   :P


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Post by: matt-zeus on February 16, 2007, 04:37:02 AM
If only they'd submitted stuff more regularly to Walter!


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Post by: c-man on February 16, 2007, 04:59:23 AM
Well I'm not sure how much Bruce had a hand in production-wise with "California Feeling", but that was finished up at this time.  It's hard to believe Yetnikoff would have had a problem with that track, though, and personally I think Al's songs from that era are some of the best he ever did. 

So I'm thinking the stuff that pissed old Walter off would have been more among these lines:

Calander Girl
It Could Be Anything
I'm Begging You Please
Why Didn't You Tell Me?
Skatetown USA
A Little Something


Enough to piss any Beach Boys fan off, really.   :afro

"It Could Be Anything" escapes my memory...what was that?
Also, Ed Carter did an interview with the BBFUN newletter around that time where he described something Brian had been working on down in Miami.  He described it as "Pet Sounds"-like, with specially-tuned guitars and pianos that made it sound like a carnival, plus it had some Ray Bradbury-esque spoken word elements to it.  When I checked this with Ed Roach on his message board, he agreed that the description fit the amazing stuff he remembers hearing down there from Brian.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 16, 2007, 08:08:07 AM
Not "SkateTown" - that wasn't recorded by June/July 1978, when Walter made his wonderful quote, nor "California Feeling" (tape date is 8/28/78).

I'm thinking:
Calendar Girl
Santa Ana Winds
Brian's Back
Shortenin' Bread (1973 track & bvs)

... and if they played him "Rubles", I'm surprised he didn't tear up the contract on the spot. It's like "Wrinkles", only about a horse. Remember, he'd just promised them $8.5 MILLION.


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Post by: Jonas on February 16, 2007, 08:23:27 AM
:lol @ the title of this thread. You'd think it could be titled a bit more appropriately.  :smokin


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Post by: phirnis on February 16, 2007, 08:57:22 AM
"It Could Be Anything" escapes my memory...what was that?
Also, Ed Carter did an interview with the BBFUN newletter around that time where he described something Brian had been working on down in Miami.  He described it as "Pet Sounds"-like, with specially-tuned guitars and pianos that made it sound like a carnival, plus it had some Ray Bradbury-esque spoken word elements to it.  When I checked this with Ed Roach on his message board, he agreed that the description fit the amazing stuff he remembers hearing down there from Brian.

Being a fan of the Beach Boys might well be one of the most downright frustrating things in the world.


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 16, 2007, 10:16:18 AM
:lol @ the title of this thread. You'd think it could be titled a bit more appropriately.  :smokin

:lol Yeah,probably. Of course, it was from a famous quote! :lol

Quote
ot "SkateTown" - that wasn't recorded by June/July 1978, when Walter made his wonderful quote, nor "California Feeling" (tape date is 8/28/78).

I'm thinking:
Calendar Girl
Santa Ana Winds
Brian's Back
Shortenin' Bread (1973 track & bvs)

... and if they played him "Rubles", I'm surprised he didn't tear up the contract on the spot. It's like "Wrinkles", only about a horse. Remember, he'd just promised them $8.5 MILLION.

Who wrote/sang Rubles? I've never heard of it.

And in all honesty, excepting possibly Brian's Back, those songs in place of , eh...HCTN, Going South, and the version of SB that actually came out on the record, would've made this a great album, instead of a merely good one. Are you sure Looking Down the Coast wasn't on the tape? I thought it was from that time period...or was it recorded AFTER the album?



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Post by: Ken.W on February 16, 2007, 03:46:28 PM
Who wrote/sang Rubles? I've never heard of it.

I think it was Al Jardine.

.. AGD, have I remembered correctly?




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Post by: Jason Penick on February 16, 2007, 05:50:55 PM
Not "SkateTown" - that wasn't recorded by June/July 1978, when Walter made his wonderful quote, nor "California Feeling" (tape date is 8/28/78).

I'm thinking:
Calendar Girl
Santa Ana Winds
Brian's Back
Shortenin' Bread (1973 track & bvs)


Andrew... Do you know when Carl's lead vocal for the 1973 track of "Shortenin' Bread" was ultimately taped?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 17, 2007, 07:05:05 AM
Not "SkateTown" - that wasn't recorded by June/July 1978, when Walter made his wonderful quote, nor "California Feeling" (tape date is 8/28/78).

I'm thinking:
Calendar Girl
Santa Ana Winds
Brian's Back
Shortenin' Bread (1973 track & bvs)

It certainly existed in fall 1976.


Andrew... Do you know when Carl's lead vocal for the 1973 track of "Shortenin' Bread" was ultimately taped?

It certainly existed in fall 1976. BTW, the bass vocal on this version is Brian, not Dennis.  8)


Title: Criteria Rough Mix
Post by: petsite on February 17, 2007, 02:39:26 PM
There is a tape reel that resides in the BB vaults labeled "Criteria Rough Mix". It contains:

California Feeling
Baby Blue
Santa Ana Winds
Looking Down The Coast/Monterey
Brian's Back (With The BB Backing)
Calendar Girl



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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 19, 2007, 06:00:05 AM
That honestly doesn't sound so bad.


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Post by: Exapno Mapcase on February 19, 2007, 07:49:50 AM
If you dump Calender Girl and Brian's Back!


Title: Re: Criteria Rough Mix
Post by: c-man on February 19, 2007, 03:54:13 PM
There is a tape reel that resides in the BB vaults labeled "Criteria Rough Mix". It contains:

California Feeling
Baby Blue
Santa Ana Winds
Looking Down The Coast/Monterey
Brian's Back (With The BB Backing)
Calendar Girl



Do you have the date on that reel?


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 20, 2007, 03:21:06 AM
The presence of "Santa Ana Winds" dates it to post-late August/early September 1978. "California Feelin'" was taped August 28th.


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Post by: c-man on February 20, 2007, 04:56:31 AM
It'd be interesting to know if this "Brian's Back" uses the same backing track as the one we all know and...love.   Or if it is different...does anyone know?

In an interview for David Leaf's "Pet Sounds" fanzine in late '78, Bruce mentioned that this song had been in the running for the CBS album, but stated he intended to leave it off (because it was a terrible record in his opinion, although he thought the intention was nice).  He also said "a heavy no" on "California Feeling", which may have been Brian's decision, but he doesn't say that. 


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 20, 2007, 04:59:55 AM
No - entirely different, and clunkier, recording. No lead vocal, as far as I know, just the bvs (in which Brian is clearly audible, essentially singing about himself. Wierd).


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Post by: matt-zeus on February 20, 2007, 05:26:59 AM
Maybe there is a way of getting Mikes vocal and sticking it over Brians 'Brians back'?, then again I actually quite like Mikes version, its quite sweet!


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Post by: Jason Penick on February 20, 2007, 02:16:32 PM
In an interview for David Leaf's "Pet Sounds" fanzine in late '78, Bruce mentioned that this song had been in the running for the CBS album, but stated he intended to leave it off (because it was a terrible record in his opinion, although he thought the intention was nice).  He also said "a heavy no" on "California Feeling", which may have been Brian's decision, but he doesn't say that. 

Is that the same interview where Bruce mentions "Do You Like Worms" as a possible cantidate for the album?  I've wanted to re-read that for a while now.


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Post by: c-man on February 20, 2007, 03:55:11 PM
In an interview for David Leaf's "Pet Sounds" fanzine in late '78, Bruce mentioned that this song had been in the running for the CBS album, but stated he intended to leave it off (because it was a terrible record in his opinion, although he thought the intention was nice).  He also said "a heavy no" on "California Feeling", which may have been Brian's decision, but he doesn't say that. 

Is that the same interview where Bruce mentions "Do You Like Worms" as a possible cantidate for the album?  I've wanted to re-read that for a while now.

Yep, same article.  He says "Guercio wants to open the album with 'Rock Plymouth Rock / Roll over' and end with 'Been Away Too Long'.  I wanted to make up a collage, but I want Brian to be the one to put the collage together." 


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Post by: Exapno Mapcase on February 21, 2007, 01:40:46 AM
Instead, we got disco!


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Post by: Jason Penick on February 22, 2007, 01:29:04 PM
Seriously!  I'm starting to feel more and more gyped by the Light Album.  It's basically a collection of odds 'n' ends, similar to 20/20 from a decade prior.  Except that LA completely lacks the group vibe of its older cousin.  Take away "Good Timin'" and the "Here Comes the Night" remake, and I don't think there's any other songs with more than two or three members of the group appearing on them.

It makes me more than a little upset that Brian was writing thiscreative stuff with carnival sounds and spoken segments at the time, but instead we wound up with "Shortenin' Bread" (relative merits of that song aside).  I wish the founding five members had listened to the ideas Guercio and Johnston had presented instead of settling for a hodge-podge of solo numbers.

I remember Jon Stebbins writing something along the lines of "if you liked some songs on the Light Album, you were guarenteed to dislike others", and I think he hit the nail right on the head there.  There are some great songs on that record, but it's not the coherent group statement it could have been.


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Post by: Exapno Mapcase on February 22, 2007, 02:48:09 PM
"It makes me more than a little upset that Brian was writing thiscreative stuff with carnival sounds and spoken segments at the time, but instead we wound up with "Shortenin' Bread" (relative merits of that song aside)".

I'm not as down on the album as you (and God knows I don't like disco Here Comes the Night), but I agree with this point entirely.


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Post by: Dancing Bear on February 22, 2007, 02:49:29 PM
The problem with Light Album: too many ok songs.


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Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 22, 2007, 03:28:06 PM
L. A. Light Album will always be one of the top 2-3 most disappointing Beach Boys' albums, for me anyway. This will sound like the other thread about being a BB fan in 1970's, but...

Picture yourself a new BB/BW fan in 1976. 15 Big Ones comes out, you don't know how good or bad it is, you're just happy "Brian Is Back", and you pick out 7-8 songs to enjoy. Before you know it, Love You comes out and it's an improvement over 15 Big Ones, a big step forward, things are moving in the right direction. When MIU comes out a year later, while you knew the material wasn't as strong as Love You, the vocals  compensated for it. If you were an optimistic fan, after hearing Brian (and Mike & Al) sing on MIU, you couldn't wait until they finally put it together on their next album. Take Love You's songwriting and MIU's singing...

When L.A Light Album came out, I was extremely bummed. Brian was gone!. What happened? Of course, we didn't know then that Brian had suddenly had some psychological problems. Is he on "Good Timin"? The Dennis tracks sound like POB rejects - OK songs with lackluster performances. "Baby Blue" is fine, though. Same with the Carl songs, kinda boring. And yet another disappointing album closer, "Shortenin' Bread". It didn't make any sense. It still doesn't! Everything was going so good, and then bam...


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Post by: c-man on February 22, 2007, 05:25:28 PM
My main gripe with "MIU" was there was no songwriiting by Carl or Dennis (I had the same gripe about the previous two albums).  I had just gotten into the Beach Boys in '77, and was really impressed by Carl and Dennis' stuff on earlier albums, and "POB".

My main gripe with "L.A." was there wasn't enough Brian!  It was like the complete opposite of "MIU"...it's like "Brian's Back" meant "Dennis and Carl are gone!"...then, they were back for "L.A", but now Brian's MIA! 

BTW, Bruce has said that Brian doesn't sing on "Good Timin'".  The vocal arrangement is Bruce's, and the vocals were recorded by just Carl, Mike, Al, and Bruce.  Brian does play on the track, which was cut at Caribou in late '74.  Presumably Dennis is on that, 'cause Guercio recalled that Dennis was the only one who could get Brian motivated enough to acutally do that track.


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Post by: Jason Penick on February 22, 2007, 05:34:24 PM
I'm not as down on the album as you (and God knows I don't like disco Here Comes the Night), but I agree with this point entirely.


I'm not entirely down on it.  Like I said, there are some good songs... even a few classics!  But Dennis and Carl's songs, as good as they are, are really solo/ duo performances in all but name.  In a perfect world I wish we'd have gotten Bamboo instead, and that the band had waited for Brian to get out of the hospital and back on his feet before recording as a group again.

One more thing I have to say about LA and then I'll shut my mouth, I promise!  :-D  But I don't like the way Bruce recorded the vocals-- at all.  On a technical level I guess what he did was impressive considering the amount of overdubbing, but nevertheless the voices sound completely homoginized to my ears.   

The perfect example is "Lady Lynda"-- on the Altbach/ Jardine version the Boys cut for the MIU album you can hear the voices of certain members distinguish themselves from the rest of the blend at particular moments.  There's a warmth to those MIU vocals, whereas Bruce's production renders them cold and sterile.  Apart from Mike and Al, whose backing parts are seperated, I can't determine who the hell is singing backgrounds on the LA version of "Lynda"-- it could be Richie Furay, Gary Beckley and Timothy B. Schmidt for all my ears can tell!

Sorry for the rant, but it ties in to what Sheriff John Stone was just saying:  Love You type songs + MIU type vocals would have been the equation for success.  In that regard, the Light Album falls a bit short.


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Post by: MBE on February 23, 2007, 12:46:40 AM
L.A. Light was a weird era because Dennis was really heading downhill. Looking at him by 1979 was almost painful. Brian was in worse shape then ever, Carl was going through his problems. That said I think it is the last "adult" Beach Boys album. No cars, surfin, beaches, woodies, etc. There are some bad songs and the disco track is horrid, but Dennis' material (plus his vocal on Angel) was terrific and Good Timin is a great song.  Mike and Carl's stuff is a let down, but Lady Lynda is a good song with a poor production. Too slick. That said it still is a creative track. I don't like playing it all the way through but to me Dennis' songs were the best "new" songs they released after 1973.


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Post by: No. Fourteen on February 23, 2007, 07:04:19 AM
RE: "Angel Come Home", I'm into the lead vocal but those "AAAEEEENGEL  CAAAAM HAAAAOOOOMM" backing vocals sound totally wrong to me.  If that's Bruce's fault, I can never completely forgive him.  Those are NOT beach boys harmonies!



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Post by: c-man on February 23, 2007, 03:40:44 PM
RE: "Angel Come Home", I'm into the lead vocal but those "AAAEEEENGEL  CAAAAM HAAAAOOOOMM" backing vocals sound totally wrong to me.  If that's Bruce's fault, I can never completely forgive him.  Those are NOT beach boys harmonies!



Interestingly, that's one of the few songs on that album that Brian contributed vocals to.


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 24, 2007, 01:09:31 PM
Huh. I didn't know that.


BTW...the backing vox are one of my favorites post Holland. Fave has to be Where I Belong.


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Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 24, 2007, 01:56:29 PM
L.A. Light was a weird era because Dennis was really heading downhill. Looking at him by 1979 was almost painful. Brian was in worse shape then ever...

I respectfully disagree, MBE, at least in the case of Brian. Right around that time, everytime I would see Brian, he was getting thinner and thinner, looking better. He was wearing those expensive Adidas warm-up suits and clean sneakers. His hair was usually washed and combed, and his full(er) beard made him look cool. Brian was starting to play more bass and becoming slightly more animated on stage. Take a look at The Midnight Special footage from 1979, his arms and legs look downright skinny. He's playing bass, slapping hands with Wolfman Jack, smiling and dancing a little bit. That's why I was so disappointed at his absence from L.A. Light Album. I really thought Brian was making steady progress. Of course I was wrong. Now, if you're referring to Brian's mental condition when you say "worse shape", well, then you might have apoint, but outwardly, no.


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Post by: MBE on February 27, 2007, 12:51:48 PM
Sheriff I wiill tell you why I came to my conclusion about Brian during the sessions. You are correct that Brian rallied in 1979 but during the last six months of 78 he was in bad shape. I think he was in the hospital twice around this time and there is a film I have from the PM Magazine tv show filmed in 1978 where Carl and Brian are in very bad shape. Brian is bloated up to at least 270-280 and though he has laryngitis which makes him seem worse, he cannot focus at all on the interview. It's a sad film. After he got out of the hospital he looked pretty good through the fall of 79. It's funny because in the first few months of 1978 he is not too heavy yet. I think around the time he and Marilyn split there was a setback. 


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Post by: petsite on March 22, 2007, 12:02:25 PM
The thing that got me about the whole LA affair was fact (now think about his in light of what we know about mental illness and drug addiction) that Brian was in the hospital for six weeks after almost ODing at Balboa Park in San Diego.  He tells Marilyn that he wants a divorice while in the hospital. Then, upon being released., instead of finding a new palce to stay and working with a doctor to recover, he takes a plane alone back to LA, transfers to a private jet, is flown to Miami, and deposited at Criteria studios with the mission to "come up with some new tunes and produce our new LP."

It's a wonder Brian didn't run out into the ocean screaming and yelling. You don't take a fragile soul like that and put him in a pressure cooker. It like taking an athlete that has been in the hospital for a very serious illness, releasing him, and then saying  "Oh by the way, you are signed up for a 26 mile run next week and you are obligated to show up."

It was so wrong.


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Post by: John on March 22, 2007, 05:57:33 PM
Interestingly, that's one of the few songs on that album that Brian contributed vocals to.

Wow. I didn't think Brian sang a note on that album...


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Post by: southbay on March 23, 2007, 11:00:23 AM
Huh. I didn't know that.


BTW...the backing vox are one of my favorites post Holland. Fave has to be Where I Belong.

Huh? Granted, the BGV's on Where I Belong are FANTASTIC, but that was from the 1985 album...


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 23, 2007, 06:11:44 PM
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Huh? Granted, the BGV's on Where I Belong are FANTASTIC, but that was from the 1985 album...

:lol I know. Those are  my absolute favorite BG vox post-Holland. Angel Come Home is also on the list of favorite post Holland backups. I know they aren't from the same album...I was just listing what actually WAS my favorite, for those who might be curious!

:lol


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Post by: MBE on March 23, 2007, 11:07:48 PM
I think Brian on the released L.A. Light vocally did a bit on Good Timin (probably recorded in 74 or 76), Angel, Shortin' and that's it.


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Post by: c-man on March 25, 2007, 07:13:49 AM
I think Brian on the released L.A. Light vocally did a bit on Good Timin (probably recorded in 74 or 76), Angel, Shortin' and that's it.

Interesting theory on "Good Timin'"...have you heard an early mix with Brian's vocals?
The mix from '74 that circulates just has Carl's lead in the verses, no other vocals.

I think Brian may also have sung a little on "Baby Blue" and "Love Surrounds Me", which were partially recorded in Miami.  For the other tunes, they were done back in California after the return from Florida, and he was hospitalized once again, which is probably why he's not on those tunes.


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Post by: MBE on March 25, 2007, 04:39:52 PM
Dennis' stuff could have Brian on it  but I cannot pick him out. There are takes of Good Timin around with mostly just the backing vocals and music. I assume these were done before 78 but I really couldn't say for certain. Brian was not well at those sessions so I would guess he did little.


Title: Re: Criteria Rough Mix
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 01, 2008, 05:42:25 AM
There is a tape reel that resides in the BB vaults labeled "Criteria Rough Mix". It contains:

California Feeling
Baby Blue
Santa Ana Winds
Looking Down The Coast/Monterey
Brian's Back (With The BB Backing)
Calendar Girl

OK, so this is resurrecting a long dead thread, but as I'm working on the gigs/sessions for 1978, it's germane. I think.

The dates I've been given (thanks, c-man & Ian) indicate to me that while the tape may have been compiled at Criteria, not all the songs were recorded there. Thus:

California Feeling - Criteria 9/1
Baby Blue - Brother 1/9, 1/30, 1/31, 2/3 (this is the Bambu recording)
Santa Ana Winds - Western 6/27, 7/28, Criteria 8/20
Looking Down The Coast/Monterey - Western 7/27
Brian's Back (With The BB Backing) - Criteria 8/31
Calendar Girl - Criteria 8/31

Have to admit, if I'd heard that after promising to pay the band $8.5 million, I would have lost my cool too...


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Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 01, 2008, 07:32:15 AM
Actually, if you drop the last 2, it's not that bad. "Looking Down the Coast" really should've been released.


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Post by: KokoMoses on April 02, 2008, 03:16:29 AM
L. A. Light Album will always be one of the top 2-3 most disappointing Beach Boys' albums, for me anyway. This will sound like the other thread about being a BB fan in 1970's, but...

Picture yourself a new BB/BW fan in 1976. 15 Big Ones comes out, you don't know how good or bad it is, you're just happy "Brian Is Back", and you pick out 7-8 songs to enjoy. Before you know it, Love You comes out and it's an improvement over 15 Big Ones, a big step forward, things are moving in the right direction. When MIU comes out a year later, while you knew the material wasn't as strong as Love You, the vocals  compensated for it. If you were an optimistic fan, after hearing Brian (and Mike & Al) sing on MIU, you couldn't wait until they finally put it together on their next album. Take Love You's songwriting and MIU's singing...

When L.A Light Album came out, I was extremely bummed. Brian was gone!. What happened? Of course, we didn't know then that Brian had suddenly had some psychological problems. Is he on "Good Timin"? The Dennis tracks sound like POB rejects - OK songs with lackluster performances. "Baby Blue" is fine, though. Same with the Carl songs, kinda boring. And yet another disappointing album closer, "Shortenin' Bread". It didn't make any sense. It still doesn't! Everything was going so good, and then bam...

Agreed 100% about MIU's singing really saving the album. The songs, for the most part, are goofy as hell, but the singing really is stellar and just sounds and feels so good. Al and Mike sound fantastic on Pitter Patter and My Diane is my all-time favorite Dennis vocal. And a great song too.

I play MIU often just to not think, zone out, and enjoy the great big peanut butter and jelly sandwich that is the vocals.


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Post by: roll plymouth rock on April 02, 2008, 03:22:00 PM
"It Could Be Anything" escapes my memory...what was that?
Also, Ed Carter did an interview with the BBFUN newletter around that time where he described something Brian had been working on down in Miami.  He described it as "Pet Sounds"-like, with specially-tuned guitars and pianos that made it sound like a carnival, plus it had some Ray Bradbury-esque spoken word elements to it.  When I checked this with Ed Roach on his message board, he agreed that the description fit the amazing stuff he remembers hearing down there from Brian.

Does anyone have anymore info on what these "carnival ps" tracks sounded like?


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Post by: Loaf on April 03, 2008, 03:01:42 AM
"It Could Be Anything" escapes my memory...what was that?
Also, Ed Carter did an interview with the BBFUN newletter around that time where he described something Brian had been working on down in Miami.  He described it as "Pet Sounds"-like, with specially-tuned guitars and pianos that made it sound like a carnival, plus it had some Ray Bradbury-esque spoken word elements to it.  When I checked this with Ed Roach on his message board, he agreed that the description fit the amazing stuff he remembers hearing down there from Brian.

Does anyone have anymore info on what these "carnival ps" tracks sounded like?

I am no expert, and i mean that, but could he be referring to 'Over the Waves' etc... from Adult Child? That was roughly around that time.

Of course, i would love to be wrong and find out that there are yet more unreleased BBs tracks i haven't heard.


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Post by: adamghost on April 03, 2008, 11:41:18 AM
I don't think that Brian is on "Shortenin' Bread" at all.  I think Carl and Dennis put it togeter while Brian is hospitalized...that's what I have heard anyway.


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 03, 2008, 12:56:16 PM
"It Could Be Anything" escapes my memory...what was that?
Also, Ed Carter did an interview with the BBFUN newletter around that time where he described something Brian had been working on down in Miami.  He described it as "Pet Sounds"-like, with specially-tuned guitars and pianos that made it sound like a carnival, plus it had some Ray Bradbury-esque spoken word elements to it.  When I checked this with Ed Roach on his message board, he agreed that the description fit the amazing stuff he remembers hearing down there from Brian.

Does anyone have anymore info on what these "carnival ps" tracks sounded like?

I am no expert, and i mean that, but could he be referring to 'Over the Waves' etc... from Adult Child? That was roughly around that time.


Don't think so -  "OTW" was recorded late '69/early '70, and wasn't considered for Adult/Child


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Post by: c-man on April 03, 2008, 04:06:08 PM
I don't think that Brian is on "Shortenin' Bread" at all.  I think Carl and Dennis put it togeter while Brian is hospitalized...that's what I have heard anyway.

Maybe not vocally...but Brian produced & played on the track in early '78.
Similarly, he's only on "Good Timin'" in an instrumental sense. 


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Post by: Aegir on April 03, 2008, 09:38:46 PM
I remember hearing that Brian had nothing to do with the SB that eventually made it on the Light Album but that it's an exact duplication of a track produced by him.


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Post by: c-man on April 04, 2008, 04:29:59 AM
I remember hearing that Brian had nothing to do with the SB that eventually made it on the Light Album but that it's an exact duplication of a track produced by him.


Well I doubt that, since aspects of the "L.A." version's track sheet (notations designating guitar tracks as "Billy" and "Chuck") match up to names listed on AFM contract from the Brian-produced early '78 Brother Studio session (and the personal recollections of guitarist Chuck "Crane" Kirkpatrick, who vividly recalls Brian being at the session he was on). 

Vocally, though, it could well be another story.