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Title: Definitive "Worst of the beach Boys Compilation"
Post by: halblaineisgood on February 07, 2007, 01:38:29 PM
Lets just Say if for some strange reason you wanted to, without a shred of doubt permanently turn someone off to the BB's.....What Would be the definitive 10 song compilation?.....No unreleased stuff....I dont know why I thought of this......


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Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 07, 2007, 02:02:02 PM
No need for a compilation - just burn them a copy of Summer In Paradise.

But.. OK, FWIW:

Summer Of Love
Passing Friend
When Girls Get Together
Hey, Little Tomboy
Love Is A Woman
TM Song
Hold On Dear Brother
Student Demonstration Time
Transcendental Meditation
How She Boogalooed It

That should do the trick.  ::)


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Post by: the captain on February 07, 2007, 02:23:56 PM
This is only using BBs stuff up through KTSA because once Dennis was gone, pretty much all (or at the very large majority) of it is sufficiently disgusting to make anyone hate them.

Transcendental Meditation
TM Song
Student Demonstration Time
The Nearest Faraway Place
Endless Harmony
Belles of Paris
Winds of Change
Here Comes the Night (LA version)
Match Point of Our Love

The Beach Boys, now featuring EVEN MORE CHEESE!


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Post by: melissalynn on February 07, 2007, 03:02:42 PM
No specific songs...just the entire M.I.U. album  :lol

and has been mentioned, everything since the early 80s. I just can't stand it no matter how hard I try.

Hmm....can I also include some solo work? Cause Mike Love's solo garbage is enough to turn someone off of the entire band...


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Exapno Mapcase on February 07, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
I think you're too harsh on two or three tracks there, AGD, especially Hold on Dear Brother and How She Boogalooed It.
I guess they've got to be released, so no Battle Hymn of the Republic...

Hey Little Tomboy
TM Song
Matchpoint of our Love
Belles of Paris
Summer of Love
California Calling
Crack at Your Love
Here Comes the Night (LA version)
Remember (Walking in the Sand)
Island Fever
Solar System
Passing Friend
Everyone's in Love with You
Make it Big

Plus all of LBWL, most of GIOMH and most of Youngblood :)


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Post by: matt-zeus on February 07, 2007, 03:21:13 PM
No need for a compilation - just burn them a copy of Summer In Paradise.

But.. OK, FWIW:

Summer Of Love
Passing Friend
When Girls Get Together
Hey, Little Tomboy
Love Is A Woman
TM Song
Hold On Dear Brother
Student Demonstration Time
Transcendental Meditation
How She Boogalooed It

That should do the trick.  ::)

Not Hold on dear brother?? One of my favourites, also like Tomboy, the rest I agree with, my choices are:

Blueberry hill
Talk to me
California saga
Here comes the night (la)
Goin south
Full sail
Some of your love
Endless harmony
All of SIP
Nothing from MIU, because I love it unconditionally.


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 07, 2007, 03:33:26 PM
Stop putting "Matchpoint" on your lists! Stop it now! Or else! :police:


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: the captain on February 07, 2007, 03:42:57 PM
Stop putting "Matchpoint" on your lists! Stop it now! Or else! :police:

Make it stop sucking, then.


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Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 07, 2007, 03:57:27 PM
Other than the Love You stuff, if there is one song I 'd love to hear Brian sing in concert, it would be "Matchpoint Of Our Love". Anyway, here's my worst:

1. Summer Of Love
2. Take A Load Off Your Feet
3. Louie Louie
4. The Baker Man
5. Leaving This Town
6. Meant For You
7. Crack At Your Love
8. A Casual Look
9. Hully Gully
10. Wild Honey (studio version)


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: the captain on February 07, 2007, 04:01:01 PM
Well, just to make sure we're even, I ought to point out that I love Meant for Your and, to a lesser extent, Wild Honey and Take A Load Off...


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Post by: Pretty Funky on February 07, 2007, 04:46:14 PM
I'd like to throw in most remakes with the pits being Crocodile Rock. Worst remake with worst video. (see Youtube)  :thud


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 07, 2007, 05:54:15 PM
No need for a compilation - just burn them a copy of Summer In Paradise.

But.. OK, FWIW:

Summer Of Love
Passing Friend
When Girls Get Together
Hey, Little Tomboy
Love Is A Woman
TM Song
Hold On Dear Brother
Student Demonstration Time
Transcendental Meditation
How She Boogalooed It

That should do the trick.  ::)

No Barbara Ann?


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: the captain on February 07, 2007, 06:05:13 PM
As a fellow hater of Barbara Ann, I want to say that in my opinion, it isn't the original recording the BBS did of it that is a problem...it's that it has become such a standard for them, a huge, identifiable, all-time hit. I mean, if I were them at the time, recording a batch of covers just for fun and quick sales, I might have done it too. I'm sure it was a blast. But to be known by it--exclusive of your other, better work--that must be sickening.

Well, not to Mike. But to anyone with a heart, mind or soul.


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Post by: grillo on February 07, 2007, 07:22:58 PM
What's with all the hate for Trancendental Meditation? I think that's a cool tune. Same for Leaving this town and How she boogalooed it!! In their place how 'bout  Tears in the Morning, Bluebirds over the Mountain, and Lady Lynda./


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 07, 2007, 08:58:24 PM
Plus all of LBWL...


Nooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!! :o


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: PeteS on February 08, 2007, 01:24:08 AM
Did anyone mention "Sumahama"??


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: PeteS on February 08, 2007, 01:25:50 AM
or the version of "Fun.Fun, Fun" with Status Quo......


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Post by: mikee on February 08, 2007, 02:02:24 AM
I like "Hold On Dear Brother".  It  seems to me   (along with a couple of other songs on Carl and the Passions) to have the Band as a primary influence.  And I think that the Flame-BB's take on that sound did help them develop the more mature sound that they were looking for at the time.         


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Aegir on February 08, 2007, 02:28:08 AM
Even if I hate a Beach Boys song the first time listening to it, it becomes great after repeated listens. Though I have to say alot of the songs people are mentioning here were great on the first listen.

EXCEPT LOOKING BACK WITH LOVE. HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE!


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: matt-zeus on February 08, 2007, 02:31:21 AM
'Oh darlin' the Carl version,  I like the Brian version better.
Schooldays


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: shelter on February 08, 2007, 04:24:01 AM
Summer Of Love
Transcendental Meditation
Little Deuce Coupe/I Get Around (medley on Party)
Amusement Parks USA
Surfin' (SIP version)
Student Demonstration Time
Sumahama


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 08, 2007, 04:26:31 AM
for me..School Days, Endless Harmony, In the Back of My Mind, Don't Back Down (my least fav. vocal by Brian from the "Classic Era" besides the following), that cuckoo clock song from the first album, Winds of Change, the carl version of Oh Darlin, I'm So Lonely, and Still Cruisin (mainly for the plastic, brittle production)


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Smilin Ed H on February 08, 2007, 04:34:17 AM
Hey Little Tomboy
Hot Fun in the Summertime
Everone's in Love with Love
Matchpoint of our Love
TM Song (but not Transcendental Meditation)
Our Team
Summer of Love
Passing Friend
Make It Big
Happy Endings
Island Fever
Solar System
Barbie/Living Doll (this is credited to the BB, even if it's actually only BW, isn't it?)
California Calling

There are many more bad songs, but you've got to excuse the early stuff and I didn't want to cop out by saying 70% of MIU or all of SIP or unreleased 'gems' like Deep Purple and Battle Hymn of the Republic, or solo stuff like LBWL (I actually prefer most of Country Love to this!).  I've left off the Status Quo Fun Fun Fun because I prefer to think of it as Status Quo abetted by the BB - surely one of their worst barrell scraping moments.  Who was responsible for that one?  Carl? Love? Schilling?



Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Chris Brown on February 08, 2007, 05:32:17 AM
for me..School Days, Endless Harmony, In the Back of My Mind, Don't Back Down (my least fav. vocal by Brian from the "Classic Era" besides the following), that cuckoo clock song from the first album, Winds of Change, the carl version of Oh Darlin, I'm So Lonely, and Still Cruisin (mainly for the plastic, brittle production)

In The Back of My Mind?  Really?

That would be on my "best" list.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 08, 2007, 05:35:37 AM
I seriously don't like the vocals on it, and personally feel the rhythm is off. I also hate the ending. To me, it's seriously overrated.


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: halblaineisgood on February 08, 2007, 06:00:24 AM
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Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: punkinhead on February 08, 2007, 06:40:02 AM
wipe out
tears in the morning
barbara ann
chapel of love
love is a woman
student demonstration
goin' south
livin with a heartache
passing friend


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: shelter on February 08, 2007, 06:58:48 AM
livin with a heartache

Really? I think that's easily one of the best songs they've done after the 70s...


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: shelter on February 08, 2007, 06:59:35 AM
And I don't see what so horrible about Winds Of Change...


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 08, 2007, 10:08:01 AM
And I don't see what so horrible about Winds Of Change...
I hate the production, and Al sounds like Kermit the Frog.


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Post by: Jonas on February 08, 2007, 11:53:54 AM
 :angry This thread shouldnt exist. Just reading half of these responses makes me sick. Some of you are listing some great tunes and its sad to think you'd consider it being part of their 'worst'

 :smash


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: endofposts on February 08, 2007, 12:54:46 PM
:angry This thread shouldnt exist. Just reading half of these responses makes me sick. Some of you are listing some great tunes and its sad to think you'd consider it being part of their 'worst'

 :smash

Exactly.  I can find good things to say about at least 75% of the tunes on this thread.  For instance, I think "When Girls Get Together" is a geniunely creative piece of music and production.  It's almost like a New Orleans funeral song, in spite of the incongruous lyrics. 

"Solar System"?

"If Mars had life on it, I might find my wife on it."  Worth it just for that alone.

YMMV.  I just skip tunes I don't like, or am not in the mood for.  As for converting people, I find that those most resistant to the Beach Boys don't like the most popular, mainstream stuff, since that's what they're most exposed to.  I have a sister that calls them corny, even though I and many of her friends are Beach Boys/Brian Wilson fans.  She doesn't get it based on things like "Don't Worry, Baby."  I don't think there's anything they've done that can make her dislike them more, or get her to like them.  So, it's just a lost cause, anyways. 


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: the captain on February 08, 2007, 01:25:17 PM
Your opinions are wrong, people. You can't dislike songs I like, because the songs I like are great--that's why I like them, after all. This isn't subjective, it was simply a multiple choice question. You all fail. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

 ;)


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: punkinhead on February 08, 2007, 01:35:47 PM
to me, living with a heartache is more of listening with a headache...the song is just way too long, it only reeks of carl solo (imo). it doesnt fit the album too well


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 08, 2007, 01:40:21 PM
I do agree that "Living With A Heartache" is slightly long (there was a single edit made), but I always liked the sound of the record, and I always got the feeling that "Living With A Heartache" and "Keeping The Summer Alive" were important songs to Carl, like he really put his heart and soul into them...


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 08, 2007, 02:08:05 PM
He was a wee bit drink during the vocals, though...


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Glenn Greenberg on February 08, 2007, 03:03:45 PM
Everyone's In Love With You
Student Demonstration Time
Tears in the Morning
Hey Little Tomboy
Endless Harmony
Chapel of Love
Rock and Roll Music


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: the captain on February 08, 2007, 03:09:08 PM
He was a wee bit drink during the vocals, though...

Considering the sh*t the band was doing, I'd have been drunk from 1975 onward (although maybe I'd have sobered up for Love You). How else could a person stand that mockery of what used to be a great band?


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 08, 2007, 03:18:43 PM
In light of Brian saying the London shows in September will consist of songs his band has never performed on stage before, can I suggest an alternative title for this thread be "Songs we don't want to hear live"?  ;)


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 08, 2007, 04:38:11 PM
Sounds like a winner!


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Post by: adamghost on February 08, 2007, 04:52:19 PM
I'm going to boldly post my worst (officially released) Beach Boys songs of all time, and see if I can find a consensus list.

I'm curious to see if anyone here would give any of the below songs more than a token defense:

Summer of Love
Hey Little Tomboy
Sunshine
Passing Friend
Remember (Walkin' In the Sand)
Slow Summer Dancin' (One Summer Night)
In The Still of the Night
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way/Santa's Got An Airplane
Surf Jam
(I Saw Santa) Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree

For those who would defend "H.E.L.P." I refer you to the line "doughy lumps/stomach pumps/enemas too."

If I was going to go out on a personal limb, and throw out songs that for which I suspect there is a constituency, I'd vote for "Here She Comes" (generic early '70s jam band rock), "Gettin' Hungry" (which I would call "Givin' Headache"), "Steamboat" (a long, plodding, incoherent mess), and "Crack At Your Love" (long, plodding, and not nearly messy enough).


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Post by: John on February 08, 2007, 04:59:11 PM
Surf Jam is cool. Just the enthusiastic count-in and intro makes it worthwhile for me. I like all the surf instrumental, no matter how iffy some of them are.

Steamboat? So evocative, and that weird industrial sounding plod is cool.

Still of the Night? Ummm, that falsetto intro is really easy to sing along with, and sounds good when you're drunk.

Gettin Hungry doesn't thrill me. It's just that horrible peircing intro at top volume because I turned it way up to hear Wind Chimes' outro. Anyone heard the Faces' version?

I'll agree with the rest, add Leavin' This Town [it's just boring], Bells of Paris [mais oui], Goin' South, Deirdre [a little too schmaltz], The TM titled songs, County Fair, South Bay Surfer and possibly worst of all, Long Tall Texan.



Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 08, 2007, 05:22:02 PM
I'm going to boldly post my worst (officially released) Beach Boys songs of all time, and see if I can find a consensus list.

I'm curious to see if anyone here would give any of the below songs more than a token defense:

Summer of Love
Hey Little Tomboy
Sunshine
Passing Friend
Remember (Walkin' In the Sand)
Slow Summer Dancin' (One Summer Night)
In The Still of the Night
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way/Santa's Got An Airplane
Surf Jam
(I Saw Santa) Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree

That's not a bad (or good?) list. You know what I mean. I only take exception to 1.5 songs. I think "Sunshine" is a well produced and well performed song, my favorite song from KTSA. The guys actually sound like they're havin' fun with it. The other exception (a little) is "In The Still Of The Night". Yes, Dennis' vocal dooms it, but there's something about the arrangement and the backing vocals that I like. While the performance does lack, "In The Still Of The Night" is a good, classic doo-wop song.


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Post by: Jason Penick on February 08, 2007, 05:35:24 PM
I'm going to boldly post my worst (officially released) Beach Boys songs of all time, and see if I can find a consensus list.

I'm curious to see if anyone here would give any of the below songs more than a token defense:

Summer of Love
Hey Little Tomboy
Sunshine
Passing Friend
Remember (Walkin' In the Sand)
Slow Summer Dancin' (One Summer Night)
In The Still of the Night
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way/Santa's Got An Airplane
Surf Jam
(I Saw Santa) Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree

For those who would defend "H.E.L.P." I refer you to the line "doughy lumps/stomach pumps/enemas too."

If I was going to go out on a personal limb, and throw out songs that for which I suspect there is a constituency, I'd vote for "Here She Comes" (generic early '70s jam band rock), "Gettin' Hungry" (which I would call "Givin' Headache"), "Steamboat" (a long, plodding, incoherent mess), and "Crack At Your Love" (long, plodding, and not nearly messy enough).


Out of your main list, I'd say "Tomboy" is great and "Sunshine" and "HELP" are passable. 

I'm also a fan of "Here She Comes", "Gettin' Hungry" and "Steamboat".


Suprised that I haven't seen "Happy Endings" or "Problem Child" on many lists yet.


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Post by: punkinhead on February 08, 2007, 06:08:59 PM
i love sunshine and tomboy


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: melissalynn on February 08, 2007, 06:34:53 PM
I really like their version of In the Still of the Night. I also like Surf Jam. The other songs...I'm not going to fight you on.


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Post by: adamghost on February 08, 2007, 11:45:59 PM
"Surf Jam" is just so damned incompetent and uninspired at the same time.  It's just the bare minimum of a surf instrumental.  It pales in comparison even to any other instrumental they did.

Man, I wish I'd thought of "Happy Endings"...what a dog that song is; the only time in Beach Boys history I can think of where Carl's vocal actually makes a bad song worse.  I can't hate "Problem Child" just because I enjoy the video -- which consists mostly of things being thrown at Bruce Johnston's head -- too much.

Oh!  Oh!  "Crocodile Rock"!  That's pretty godawful too.


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Jason Penick on February 09, 2007, 12:12:51 AM
Are there any objections to these nominations for the title of Worst Ever Beach Boys Songs of All-Time?



Passing Friend

Happy Endings




Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 09, 2007, 03:12:58 AM
I actually like Passing Friend, although it goes on far too long...


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Post by: Smilin Ed H on February 09, 2007, 04:43:10 AM
I'll defend Gettin' Hungry, though it might've made more sense on Wild Honey.  I like In the Still... too.  Love thge arrangement and the backing vocals and don't mind Denny's vocals either.  I don't mind HELP either, if you take it for what iot is.  I don't like the Christmas version at all.


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Post by: The Shift on February 09, 2007, 05:46:56 AM
In the Still of the Night is fine by me.

Passing Friend I could live without along with most of SIP, MIU and the unreleased Christmas Album.

When Girls Get Together is dire. So is (unfortunately, as he seems a splendid chap) most of Bruce's input, other than Disney Girls which is the perfect blend of syrup, pop and sentiment. Dierdre and Tears in the Morning are  possibly the most sacchrine tunes I've heard.

A few folk have mentioned much of LA (Light) Album's tunes but Ilove Full Sail, Going South and even have a soft spot for Here Comes The Night. No jokes about swamps, please!

I've never heard Kokomo in Spanish but can safely guess it'd make my Base 10.


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Post by: whichonespink on February 09, 2007, 06:10:08 AM
I don't dig the hate for Matchpoint, Full Sail or Goin' South either!

My 'Top' ten would probably be:

1. California Calling - (possibly the worst case of self-cannibalising ever)
2. Cuckoo Clock - (just crap, musically and vocally)
3. I Do Love You - (I don't love this)
4. Why Do Fools Fall In Love?-  (disappointing; I hoped they'd do this much better)
5. I Get Around / Little Deuce Coupe - (why the stupid singing, Mike, why?)
6. Mount Vernon And Fairway (A Fairy Tale) - (zzzzzzz)
7. School Day - (sorry Al, but this sucks)
8. Endless Harmony - (this song really does seem endless!)
9. Male Ego - (damn you, Landy!)
10. Peggy Sue - (what was Al's obssession with ruining oldies?)

It goes without saying that the non-musical tracks such as Bull Session... etc are automatically included as 'bonus' tracks!



Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: The Shift on February 09, 2007, 10:20:29 AM
Blimey Whichone's, some of those are also old faves of mine. California Calling I always interpreted as self-parody really, a rare case of Mike displaying a wry sense of humour and an inkling of where the Bs had come from, and where they'd arrived at.

Cuckoo Clock is a tune of its era so I couldn't really knock it, though the BBs version of Louie Louie doesn't stand up to contemporary versions.

I Do Love You... I'm pretty undecided on it, probably cos I've rarely played it for nearly 22 years!

But Why Do Fools, I gt Around, Little Deuce Coupe are terrific.

Mnt Vernon' musical excerpts are exquisite, almost SMiLE-like occasionally.

School Days rocks in its own way and I love that little collection covers released between 76 and 80 (excpeting Peggy Sue).

Endlss HArmony is more of that BJ saccharin overose, though the closing harmony section ("And we sang...") is terrific.

Male Ego I accepted and liked at the time as a rare BW offering...

Peggy Sue already dissed in this lissed.


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: whichonespink on February 09, 2007, 10:57:07 AM
California Calling I always interpreted as self-parody really, a rare case of Mike displaying a wry sense of humour and an inkling of where the Bs had come from, and where they'd arrived at.

I beg to differ , it seems exactly like the dreck that Mike wanted the Boys to be associated with :)

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Cuckoo Clock is a tune of its era so I couldn't really knock it, though the BBs version of Louie Louie doesn't stand up to contemporary versions.

I agree to some extent, I give County Fair etc the dodge because its the sort of thing that was done in those days, CC just bugs me, I think its just too twee for my liking...

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But Why Do Fools, I Get Around, Little Deuce Coupe are terrific.

I should mention that I Get Around / Little Deuce Coupe refers to the Party! medley...

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Endless Harmony is more of that BJ saccharin overose, though the closing harmony section ("And we sang...") is terrific.

I have to agree with you here, I'll rephrase that to 'Up to the end section of Endless Harmony'

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Male Ego I accepted and liked at the time as a rare BW offering...

The rarity of this song doesn't save it for me, YMMV. :)


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: grillo on February 09, 2007, 11:11:05 AM
H.E.L.P. is a GREAT song. You guys are nuts.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 09, 2007, 11:33:54 AM
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Mnt Vernon' musical excerpts are exquisite, almost SMiLE-like occasionally.

School Days rocks in its own way and I love that little collection covers released between 76 and 80 (excpeting Peggy Sue).

Endlss HArmony is more of that BJ saccharin overose, though the closing harmony section ("And we sang...") is terrific.

I like the Fairy Tale a lot...without the narration. The mix on School Days is weak, and the backing vox. are gag inducing (oh Oh..oh OH parts, and Carl's backing too). EH is annoying, and sounds "warbly" in parts.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Jonas on February 09, 2007, 11:35:56 AM
what the heck does that mean? "sounds warbly"

EH is a great tune, and the coda is just !!!


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 09, 2007, 12:02:20 PM
Maybe it's just my copies (although why a cd copy will sound like that, I don't know), but there's a weird sound to the song...maybe it's the reverb used, or maybe it was a mastering problem. I don't know how to put it in technical terms. For lack of a better way to put it everything has a very unnatural vibrato. Bruce sounds really weird here, too. I'm guessing it's the reverb...?


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Post by: Jason Penick on February 09, 2007, 12:24:36 PM
"Peggie Sue" is just awesome.  Go listen to it again!  You can tell that they're totally having a blast singing it.  One of my three favorite uptempo BB oldies covers, along with "Palisades Park" and "Sea Cruise".


Now "Talk to Me"-- that one's dire!


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 09, 2007, 12:43:48 PM
I like Peggy Sue. Don't like the version of Come Go With me that was on the original cd, although I do like the "correct" version that's on the 2fer.


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Post by: adamghost on February 09, 2007, 03:06:13 PM
The "warbling" may be a vocal effect added in the studio...possibly a form of flanging.  I don't recall it on EH specifically, but I do recall this being the case with other stuff around that era, and it's kind of annoying.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 09, 2007, 03:33:23 PM
Maybe it's just my copies (although why a cd copy will sound like that, I don't know), but there's a weird sound to the song...maybe it's the reverb used, or maybe it was a mastering problem. I don't know how to put it in technical terms. For lack of a better way to put it everything has a very unnatural vibrato. Bruce sounds really weird here, too. I'm guessing it's the reverb...?

There was something wrong with "Endless Harmony" on one of the CD releases, I believe it was on the first Warner Reprise CD releases. But it was corrected for the MIU/KTSA two-fers.


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 09, 2007, 05:03:07 PM
Ahhh...that's the version I have... well, a burned copy in any case.  I did have the two-fer at one point, but it got stolen (along with about 150 of my other cds, and a few other things) a few years ago.


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Post by: NHC on February 09, 2007, 07:26:15 PM
"Party" tracks should probably be exempt for the most part since they guys were having a . . . . party.  Just goofing around a lot on some of them.  That was sort of the whole point.  The two tracks mentioned here are good example of that.  No one was going for a million seller with them (saving that for Barbara Ann, I guess  = : - }). They're fun, which was the idea.  I like the reaction when I sing the "revised" IGA words for someone.    Also, good idea to just forget about the early album filler stuff when making up these kinds of lists. I learned an awful lot of guitar off some of the surf instrumentals 40 + yearts ago (no, I didn't say a lot of awful guitar).

No way are previously cited Full Sail, Goin' South or Lady Lynda on the worst list and I may be in a small minority of those who like Matchpoint, but i do.  Also Passing Friend and I Do Love You.  All a matter of taste. and personal appeal.

There is a lot of yucky stuff out there, though.  Things like Funky Pretty, the Smiley Smile era album tracks and the TM stuff comes to mind for me.

Rather talk about the good stuff.  Say, how about that "Girl Don't Tell Me"? An all time good'un.




Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on February 09, 2007, 08:29:36 PM
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A Thing or Two
Cotton Fields
Student Demonstration Time
He Come Down
15 Big Ones (all of it)
She's Got Rhythm
Ding Dang
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Post by: Third Coast on February 09, 2007, 09:48:59 PM
My list would be "Student Demonstration Time" repeated 10 or 12 times.

"Solar System" and "When Girls Get Together" are wonderful in their own universe. Especially "Solar System." It's a place where I like to be. And did someone really say "Wild Honey??"


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: John on February 10, 2007, 04:44:07 AM
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Post by: melissalynn on February 10, 2007, 05:04:58 AM
I really like Cotton Fields

Student Demonstration Time is my father's favorite BB song, oddly enough.


Thinking back on it, I think I'm going to go with Summer of Love. That song gives me a flat out headache. I can't take it. I think the whole album is crap, but that one really stands out as a stinker.


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Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Shane on February 10, 2007, 11:23:43 PM
I know we're talking about released songs here, but I just can't help but mention "Can't Stop Talkin' About American Girls".  Take a bad Mike Love Song, then make something go HORRIBLY wrong in the studio, which puts Mike's vocals a half step flat, below all the instruments.  It functions better as an avant garde jazz piece than a bad Mike Love creation! 

Incidentally, does anybody have any info on this song?  What's the story behind this thing???


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 11, 2007, 08:32:47 AM
I actually like SDT, esp. the guitar. And I happen to love Matchpoint, as I feel that IMHO is Brian's best vocal since the early 70s. I even like "When Girls Get Together", but it didn't fit KTSA at all. Should've been on Sunflower.

Here's an odd one for me..."The Night Was So Young".Now, I do love the song itself. However, I abso-fucking-lutley  hate Carl's vocal on it. He sounds flat and/or strung out the whole song. Carl was a wonderful singer, but that one just sucked. I would've preferred Brian on it. Same with Oh Darlin'.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 11, 2007, 09:47:05 AM
And I happen to love Matchpoint, as I feel that IMHO is Brian's best vocal since the early 70s.

Here's an odd one for me..."The Night Was So Young".Now, I do love the song itself. However, I abso-fodaing-lutley  hate Carl's vocal on it. He sounds flat and/or strung out the whole song. 

I agree totally about "MatchPoint", Brian's singing is unbelievable, so relaxed! It is IMO his best post-1975 vocal. I wonder if this new "God Only Knows" re-recording will rival it?

I also agree with you that Carl's vocal on "The Night Was So Young" is a little "strung out-ish", but in a funny way, it adds to the melancholy of the song. 

Skies turning gray, there's clouds overhead, I'm still not asleep in my bed...

It's three o'clock, I go to my sink, I pour some milk, and I start to think...

I've got a car, and you're not too far, please let me come over to you...

Perfectly wasted...


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 12, 2007, 01:37:16 AM
I know we're talking about released songs here, but I just can't help but mention "Can't Stop Talkin' About American Girls".  Take a bad Mike Love Song, then make something go HORRIBLY wrong in the studio, which puts Mike's vocals a half step flat, below all the instruments.  It functions better as an avant garde jazz piece than a bad Mike Love creation! 

Incidentally, does anybody have any info on this song?  What's the story behind this thing???

It's an Adrian Baker song. He offered it to the BB (circa 1982, I think), they turned it down, so Mike cut it solo. I think the admittedly dire version doing the rounds is the result of a badly synched vocal. For a long time, only the track was going the rounds. i doubt it sounded that bad in the studio.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 12, 2007, 07:08:14 AM
Adrian Baker, huh? That actually explains a LOT...


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: adamghost on February 12, 2007, 11:08:34 AM
Oh I've heard that track!  It is HYSTERICAL!  A little unfair to Mike because as you say there's some sort of a studio screw up that puts the vocal out of tune with the track but hell, it's funny.


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: matt-zeus on February 13, 2007, 05:06:32 AM
That's always sounded like one of his better vocals  ;D


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: phirnis on February 13, 2007, 08:23:14 AM
What's with all the hate for Trancendental Meditation? I think that's a cool tune.

It is. In fact I think it's the perfect closing track for the Friends album. Without it, that record would've left a totally different impression on me and as it is, it's probably my favorite album by anyone. So T.M. might not be that bad a song after all...


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Jonas on February 13, 2007, 09:50:32 AM
TM is a fun song, and lets be honest, its hard not to sing along...besides theres no sub-par song in Friends, everyone is a winner!


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 13, 2007, 10:14:57 AM
I too happen to love it. For all the bitching about the dissonance, that happens to be what i love the most about it! The cool thing about the song is the horns...they sound like they're playing guitar lines! Replace them with guitars, and TM would sound almost nu-metal-ish.


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Dancing Bear on February 13, 2007, 10:27:32 AM
I only found out that there was something "wrong" with TM when I started to read the BB mailing lists and Message Boards. I never felt it was misplaced in the album.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 13, 2007, 10:36:49 AM
All this time I felt like I was the only one who liked it.

Wow.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Exapno Mapcase on February 13, 2007, 10:39:31 AM
Is this a bad time to mention this?

http://blogs.citypages.com/amadzine/2005/01/worst_beach_boy.asp


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 13, 2007, 10:44:01 AM
Somebody's obviously biased against Mike.

I still hold that ALL of them were talented.


Even Bruce.  :-\


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 13, 2007, 10:57:36 AM
All this time I felt like I was the only one who liked it.

Wow.

Another fan here. I always do my best Brian imitation and chime in with "It's good!"...That is Brian singing that part isn't it? Actually, I wish Friends had more upbeat songs like it.

Since we're discussing TM songs, I also like "The TM Song" from 15 Big Ones. To me, that song had more potential; Brian underproduced it. But it does have a nice hook to it, especially the "What time is it, how long has it been" part. It's hard to believe that whole song (all 3 parts) is only 1:38.   


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Jonas on February 13, 2007, 10:58:52 AM
"Even Bruce"??? Are you nuts? How would he be the exception of not being talented! Bruce is the most talented non-Wilson of the Beach Boys, imo. :police


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: the captain on February 13, 2007, 12:56:29 PM
I've gotta say, I think Bruce is extremely talented, too. I don't much like his writing or find him very interesting musically, but as far as singing and playing ability, he's good.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 13, 2007, 01:03:13 PM
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I don't much like his writing or find him very interesting musically, but as far as singing and playing ability, he's good.
That's what I was referring to. In other words, I can't stand his style, he can be just as arrogant and smarmy as Mike (and has ADMITTED to only being in it for the money), but will admit he has a deal of talent.


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: the captain on February 13, 2007, 01:10:28 PM
While it's another thread altogether (I think literally), I don't think there's anything wrong with only being in it for the money. I sure as hell don't go to work everyday out of the joy of it all.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 13, 2007, 01:22:23 PM
Well, yeah, but for me music is something sacred. Music's always been a source of pleasure...a source of healing...just something else altogether. For someone to only be in it for the money, especially with IMHO the greatest group in history, just baffles me. Even Mike, for all his faults, has had more than just simply a monetary interest in the group.

But yeah...that's a whole 'nother thread...


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Exapno Mapcase on February 13, 2007, 02:59:28 PM
Well, Mike does sing that like sh*t, but that wasn't my point:  it was BW's arrangement!


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Jason Penick on February 13, 2007, 06:01:26 PM
Chalk me up as another fan of "Transcendental Meditation".


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Jonas on February 13, 2007, 06:22:30 PM
(and has ADMITTED to only being in it for the money)

"Why did you decide to tour again?"

"For the money" - Brian Wilson

:p


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Jonas on February 14, 2007, 08:40:52 AM
Why do people hate this battle hymn so much? I like it! I like the song and I like the vocals. I think you're all just a bunch of communists! ;)


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Post by: Aegir on February 14, 2007, 12:38:00 PM
Transcendental Meditation, I like it. Especially because it comes right after "Diamond Head". Peaceful soundscape followed by a crazy rocking song about meditation. And that wordless verse, man, where they just go "aaah-aah-aah", etc, it's crazy, man, in a good way.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Roger Ryan on February 14, 2007, 12:46:08 PM
Why do people hate this battle hymn so much? I like it! I like the song and I like the vocals. I think you're all just a bunch of communists! ;)

Yesterday was the first chance I've had to actually hear some of this track...and it's not as bad as I thought it would be! It kind of reminds me of something you would have heard coming out of those animatronic geese at Disneyland's old "America Sings" attraction (I know that's not much of an endorsement, but...).


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Jonas on February 14, 2007, 01:04:32 PM
It kind of reminds me of something you would have heard coming out of those animatronic geese at Disneyland's old "America Sings" attraction (I know that's not much of an endorsement, but...).

Haha! I've thought of the same thing! Awesome.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 14, 2007, 01:41:38 PM
I like it too. It's dorky, but harmless.


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: MBE on April 23, 2007, 05:14:19 AM
Happy Endings
Make It Big
Love Is A Woman
I Wanna Pick You Up
In My Car
I'm So Lonely
Summer Of Love
Surfin Remake
Still Surfin
She Believes In Love
Can't really consider anything pre 76 on here


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Exapno Mapcase on April 23, 2007, 03:01:37 PM
You're hard on Still Surfin'.  Any other track of SIP I'd agree to. I like I Wanna Pick You Up.  Surely Little Tomboy's worse than that?  Wjat about Everyone's in Love With Love?  That's worse than Love is a Woman.  I wouldn't argue with the rest, though.


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Post by: Mahalo on April 23, 2007, 03:24:35 PM
I wanna Pick You Up is one of the greatest songs ever....pat, pat......


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: MBE on April 23, 2007, 10:13:13 PM
You're hard on Still Surfin'.  Any other track of SIP I'd agree to. I like I Wanna Pick You Up.  Surely Little Tomboy's worse than that?  Wjat about Everyone's in Love With Love?  That's worse than Love is a Woman.  I wouldn't argue with the rest, though.
Thanks for you're comments. I will clear up why I picked those, and I was aware that including some Love You songs would bother some people. Still Surfin was just produced bad. I didn't like Mike's attempt to play up that image and make it modern. Perhaps I Do Love You and Crack At Your Love were worse but I was going off the top of my head. I Wanna Pick You up doesn't do it for me. Hey Little Tomboy is not a fave but at least it has decent vocals and a catchy chorus. That Pat Pat Pat part is just so beneath other things coming out of Brian and Dennis. I can't believe Still I Dream Of It sat in the vault, or that not one of Dennis' 1976-7 songs were considered for use. Everyone's In Love is a middling song to me. It's not their greatest moment but the sincerity of it is quite clear. Dennis said he loved it in an interview and on stage Charles Lloyd made it really beautiful. Love Is A Woman is just again beneath Brian. Tell her she smells good? There's good offbeat and creepy offbeat. That's one of the times he crossed that fine line. The melody is plodding and lounge lizard like. The vocals are horrid. Hope I didn't offend you with these comments but that's how I feel personally.


Title: Re: Definitive
Post by: Exapno Mapcase on April 23, 2007, 11:33:54 PM
I saw the Still Surfin' thing as kind of melancholy and reflective, which is why I forgave Love for that one! :)  Ooh, Crack at Your Love.  Help!  Forgot about that one.  Sends the wrong kind of shivers up my spine.


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Post by: pixletwin on April 25, 2007, 02:26:32 PM
1. Strange Things Happen
2. Hot Fun In The Summertime
3. California Dreamin' (great song but the BB sounds like cheesy Karaoke)
4. Forever (The John Stamos doing his best Dennis impersonation)
5. Tears In The Morning (oh lord Kurgan how I hate this song)
6. Wind Chimes (Smiley Smile version... I hate it because they pooped all over a great song)
7. I Do Love You (Especially that crappy sesame street harmonica)
8. Full Sail (total snoozer... Even Carl sounds like he is about to go full comatose)
9. I'm So Lonely (This could have been a great Brian song... plus the production on the whole is pretty terrible)
10. Surfin' (The Still Cruisin' version)



Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Mahalo on April 25, 2007, 03:56:12 PM
Pat her on her butt is typical Brian humor and cracks me up every time I hear Dennis sing it. Who else can get away with that song? IWTPYU is a great example of Brian Wilson humor...


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: pixletwin on April 25, 2007, 06:44:15 PM
Pat her on her butt is typical Brian humor and cracks me up every time I hear Dennis sing it. Who else can get away with that song? IWTPYU is a great example of Brian Wilson humor...

The more I listen to Love You the more I love that album. Pat.. Pat.. Pat Pat Pat her on the Butt.. Butt

Priceless Brian (By the way That is Brian singing the "pay her butt" parts. Dennis and Brian trade off singing the verses but the second half of the song is entirely Brian).  ;D


Title: Re: Definitive \
Post by: Mahalo on April 25, 2007, 06:51:48 PM
I'm glad someone else acknowledges it! BTW, I get Brian and Dennis' voices mixed up alot on that album....