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Title: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: juliansuess on April 01, 2022, 02:48:24 AM
I saw that what now are called "The Beach Boys" (Mike and Bruce) will give a concert in a city close to where I live. Although I am not a big fan of Mike I am thinking about going to the concert because of the songs, and because I could see two original Beach Boys members.

Has anyone recently been to a "Beach Boys" concert? If so, what did you think about it? Was it worth the money, or did you think you could as well have gone to any Beach Boys cover band?

Sadly the remaining members of the Beach Boys are so estranged that they don't make music together anymore, and sadly you can't bring back Dennis and Carl, either, so Mike and Bruce or Brian and Al is all there is left.

So can you recommend watching Mike and Bruce with their band, or were you disappointed watching them?


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: UEF on April 01, 2022, 02:54:10 AM
It’s actually a pretty decent band. Like the BW band, it has possibly too many people onstage which may or may not be to your liking.

Everyone in this band is fully participating, and at some gigs they do enormously long set lists with a few curios

You’ll enjoy it


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 02, 2022, 10:26:13 PM
I last saw the Beach Boys in September 2021, and it was an excellent show. It wasn't just the sun, fun and surf hits; several Feel Flows songs were featured, along with a few songs from Mike's recent solo albums. Scott Totten is a great guitar player, John Cowsill is an excellent drummer; the entire group does a great job playing the catalog. It's a great night out for anyone that loves the music; the only ones who are going to walk away unhappy are the ones who think Mike is Satan and Brian is Jesus Christ.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: NateRuvin on April 03, 2022, 10:58:20 AM
Great way of summing things up Lonely Summer.

The current touring BBs band is outta sight. The whole band is very passionate about presenting the music with as much accuracy and energy as possible.

Mike is still the iconic frontman he's always been who delivers the majority of the lead vocals with the same enthusiasm and vigor as he did in the 60's.

Totten is the best Musical Director in the business. He runs a  tight ship. His guitar playing is incredible as well.  John Cowsill is the best live drummer the band has ever had. Cowsill combines the energy of Dennis' playing with the precision of Hal Blaine's. Cowsill is also a hell of a singer providing some great leads on songs like Darlin.

I also think Brian "Ike" Eichenberger is also the best 'falsetto' because like 60's Brian&Al he can actually hit most of those notes in a high belt from the chest, not solely falsetto like Adrian and Matt... Ike has a power in his voice that reminds me SO MUCH of young BW.

Mike's son Christian provides a solid second rhythm guitar (in addition to Ike's rhythm gtr) and sings Carl's vocal parts- most of his leads and harmony parts. Some disagree,  but I think Christian's 'Wilson Genes' are definetely on display when he sings songs like God Only Knows (and It's About Time this past summer!) as he can really, really sound like Carl. His voice is a little thinner than 80's-90's Carl, but can sound a lot like Carl's more youthful 60's/70's voice before the smoking really affected it.

Bruce also adds so much authenticity to the show. Aside from his mere presence adding authenticity, it's his singing that really elevates the group from sounding like Mike & hired guns to actually really sounding like The Beach Boys!! Hearing Bruce's co-leads on the codas of Cal Girls, God Only Knows, hearing him in the GV blend, etc  just adds so much authenticity to the sound. He and Mike were so key to the blend that their voices blending with the touring guys can really pull off a convincing BBs sound, where you can close your eyes and swear you're hearing the record.

The shows are a blast! You can always expect the hits, but at all the shows I've been to, at least a few deeper cuts are thrown in for good measure. I'll be attending every show they play in my neck of the woods for as long as they're 'still cruisin' 


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Tony S on April 03, 2022, 04:50:09 PM
Sorry but I have to disagree. I haven't been to a concert but have watched several on YouTube including the most recent Beach Boys Cruise from March of 2022. That concert in my opinion was awful. Listen to Christian love I'm sorry but he sounds terrible and it's insulting to say he's covering Carl's leads and vocal Parts. Frankly he's extremely weak.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: rab2591 on April 04, 2022, 07:55:46 AM
One thing to keep in mind is that YouTube videos aren't the best way to judge a performance. A lot of Brian Wilson performances sound awful on YouTube (the ones recorded from someone's shaky cellphone 50 yards away from the stage) but yet his concerts in person sound amazing (my own personal opinion). I've been to quite a few Brian shows in recent years, and in person they sound fantastic, but yet my videos of the same performance end up sounding very lackluster.

I looked up the March 2022 Cruise shows and honestly a lot of those songs sound great all things considered. Mike sounds as good as I've heard him in years, and the band is pretty tight. But that's just my opinion.

As someone who also isn't the biggest fan of Mike, I'd say head to the show if you can make it. Seeing two of the Beach Boys would be a trip, and I'm sure the music sounds great as well. See these guys while you can.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on April 04, 2022, 09:11:54 AM
As someone who also isn't the biggest fan of Mike, I'd say head to the show if you can make it. Seeing two of the Beach Boys would be a trip, and I'm sure the music sounds great as well. See these guys while you can.

Yup! Agree with all parts of this, it well sums up my opinion. I still prefer Brian and his band, but I've seen Mike and band three times circa 2014-2017 and been well pleased each time, and can recall a few highlights from each show. I'd happily see them again this year if it's possible.



Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Zenobi on April 04, 2022, 04:11:51 PM
Even if one should think Mike is Satan and Brian is Jesus, could still love watching a Mike & Bruce gig. Appreciating music does not necessarily mean you'd want to go on a date with the performers. I am very far from the staunchest fan of Mike's around, but I liked even that "Do It Again" with Mark McGrath. :)


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: rab2591 on April 05, 2022, 05:14:58 PM
Even if one should think Mike is Satan and Brian is Jesus, could still love watching a Mike & Bruce gig. Appreciating music does not necessarily mean you'd want to go on a date with the performers. I am very far from the staunchest fan of Mike's around, but I liked even that "Do It Again" with Mark McGrath. :)

I do agree with this, but want to add a side note: when Mike was going on with his "Brian did street drugs but he's now on prescription drugs and Melinda is controlling and the only regret I have in my life is that Brian did street drugs" phase not too long ago, it really did sour some of the music for me at the time. And I know some people would blow a gasket at that admission...but I'll compare it to how I feel about Chevy Chase: I love a lot of his movies and find him hilarious. But he is famous for often being a prick to his co-stars and directors. This behavior came to a boiling point during Chase's time on the show Community and many fans were rather perturbed about it. His behavior off-camera made you look at his character from the show in a much different way (he was eventually written off or fired from the show). Likewise, Mike throwing incessant negativity toward one of his own band members was rather sad to see for me, and I'd sometimes be reminded of the negativity when hearing him on a song.

I guess it just hits people in different ways. Mike has been very chill recently and seems to have come to peace with some things regarding his cousin (at least publicly). So I've seen him in a somewhat different light recently thankfully. But I can definitely relate to people being reserved about seeing him in concert - especially during the peak(s) of his litigations and character assassinations (ugh Looking Back With Love vibes) of Brian.

But with all that said, we live in an era where these guys are still performing - and it's their 60th anniversary as a band :o we're lucky they're still around doing what they love doing. Embrace it while we can.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 05, 2022, 11:15:06 PM
Even if one should think Mike is Satan and Brian is Jesus, could still love watching a Mike & Bruce gig. Appreciating music does not necessarily mean you'd want to go on a date with the performers. I am very far from the staunchest fan of Mike's around, but I liked even that "Do It Again" with Mark McGrath. :)

I do agree with this, but want to add a side note: when Mike was going on with his "Brian did street drugs but he's now on prescription drugs and Melinda is controlling and the only regret I have in my life is that Brian did street drugs" phase not too long ago, it really did sour some of the music for me at the time. And I know some people would blow a gasket at that admission...but I'll compare it to how I feel about Chevy Chase: I love a lot of his movies and find him hilarious. But he is famous for often being a prick to his co-stars and directors. This behavior came to a boiling point during Chase's time on the show Community and many fans were rather perturbed about it. His behavior off-camera made you look at his character from the show in a much different way (he was eventually written off or fired from the show). Likewise, Mike throwing incessant negativity toward one of his own band members was rather sad to see for me, and I'd sometimes be reminded of the negativity when hearing him on a song.

I guess it just hits people in different ways. Mike has been very chill recently and seems to have come to peace with some things regarding his cousin (at least publicly). So I've seen him in a somewhat different light recently thankfully. But I can definitely relate to people being reserved about seeing him in concert - especially during the peak(s) of his litigations and character assassinations (ugh Looking Back With Love vibes) of Brian.

But with all that said, we live in an era where these guys are still performing - and it's their 60th anniversary as a band :o we're lucky they're still around doing what they love doing. Embrace it while we can.
I resisted seeing Mike's Beach Boys for many years for similar reasons. I thought the name should have been retired after Carl died, or at least appended to something like "Mike Love's Sounds of the Beach Boys".
Eventually, my resistance wore down. I accepted the fact that these guys are going to be singing those old hits until the day they die; and I'd rather it be Mike out there doing it than someone with less of a connection to the band (there is currently a band touring in the UK as Badfinger with NO original members - the bandleader only played on one album recorded with the classic lineup, and that album wasn't even released!).
Sure, it sucks that Mike and Al can't put their differences aside and work together, but that's life. I never thought of Brian as being a touring animal, so it doesn't bother me that he's not part of the current Beach Boys band. In all the times I saw the group in the 80's and 90's, Brian was only with them twice.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Tony S on April 06, 2022, 03:35:37 AM
The last time I saw the Beach Boys was Carl Wilson's last show back in 1997. I haven't seen them live since. I have followed them on YouTube though very closely including the most recent versions from 2022 and 2021. In my opinion they do not sound good. I think Christian loves vocals are bad. He sounds nothing like Carl Wilson to me, not that anyone could. But Mike and Bruce keep saying he does sound like Carl he sounds nothing like Carl to me, his vocals are weak on backgrounds and leads. Mike seems okay. Just totally unimpressed with the current version of The Beach Boys live show and have been for many years


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: juliansuess on April 08, 2022, 04:32:00 AM
Thank you all so much for your input!


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: DonnyL on April 12, 2022, 02:29:34 PM
I last saw The Beach Boys in 1996 (w/ Carl & Al)- then in 2012 (w/ Brian, Al, and David Marks). I would see the current group if Al were present … not often discussed but it’s not out of the question, like this 2011 performance:

https://youtu.be/P7xwvOT865c

… somewhat heartwarming to see if how happy/proud Mike looks when Al starts singing “Sloop John B”.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: nogosmugboat on April 12, 2022, 10:59:36 PM
I saw them on July 24th 2021 and had a lovely time. Fun little band with a perfectly fine setlist. Both groups really do put on amazing shows. Still need to catch an Al show sometime though.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: UEF on April 14, 2022, 07:35:59 AM
I would agree that, tempting as it is, please don't use audience recordings on YouTube to form your assessment. There's something that phone microphones do to the instrument and vocal mix that completely changes it from the way the audience actually hears it. You really do have to be there to hear it properly.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: HeyJude on April 14, 2022, 10:04:29 AM
I'm going to partially disagree when it comes to audience recordings. It obviously depends on a number of factors. Some recordings are better than others.

But I've been to many many concerts, and I've probably listened to more live recordings of the BBs than all but some of the most scholarly, devoted live recording buffs (c-man, etc.).

I wouldn't ever use a single live video or audio recording (either vintage or recent) to rate any band (outside of having like a pristine untouched soundboard recording mixed well). But if you listen to many recordings, including the highest quality recordings, I think that can provide a pretty solid insight into the quality of a band.

There are about a ZILLION videos of Mike's band from the last several years on YouTube. Even if you weed out the crummy ones and only look at the HD videos shot close to the stage with good sound (and without choppy edits), there are many, many videos to peruse. In some cases full shows. There are even some pro-shot videos with soundboard sound (and/or audio-only soundboard recordings) from recent years that have popped up.

I think someone absolutely could get a pretty fair idea of Mike's band based off of the extant recordings.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 26, 2022, 10:41:27 PM
Great way of summing things up Lonely Summer.

The current touring BBs band is outta sight. The whole band is very passionate about presenting the music with as much accuracy and energy as possible.

Mike is still the iconic frontman he's always been who delivers the majority of the lead vocals with the same enthusiasm and vigor as he did in the 60's.

Totten is the best Musical Director in the business. He runs a  tight ship. His guitar playing is incredible as well.  John Cowsill is the best live drummer the band has ever had. Cowsill combines the energy of Dennis' playing with the precision of Hal Blaine's. Cowsill is also a hell of a singer providing some great leads on songs like Darlin.

I also think Brian "Ike" Eichenberger is also the best 'falsetto' because like 60's Brian&Al he can actually hit most of those notes in a high belt from the chest, not solely falsetto like Adrian and Matt... Ike has a power in his voice that reminds me SO MUCH of young BW.

Mike's son Christian provides a solid second rhythm guitar (in addition to Ike's rhythm gtr) and sings Carl's vocal parts- most of his leads and harmony parts. Some disagree,  but I think Christian's 'Wilson Genes' are definetely on display when he sings songs like God Only Knows (and It's About Time this past summer!) as he can really, really sound like Carl. His voice is a little thinner than 80's-90's Carl, but can sound a lot like Carl's more youthful 60's/70's voice before the smoking really affected it.

Bruce also adds so much authenticity to the show. Aside from his mere presence adding authenticity, it's his singing that really elevates the group from sounding like Mike & hired guns to actually really sounding like The Beach Boys!! Hearing Bruce's co-leads on the codas of Cal Girls, God Only Knows, hearing him in the GV blend, etc  just adds so much authenticity to the sound. He and Mike were so key to the blend that their voices blending with the touring guys can really pull off a convincing BBs sound, where you can close your eyes and swear you're hearing the record.

The shows are a blast! You can always expect the hits, but at all the shows I've been to, at least a few deeper cuts are thrown in for good measure. I'll be attending every show they play in my neck of the woods for as long as they're 'still cruisin' 

The band is excellent.. Awesome! BR vocals!  But Christian sounds nothing like Carl. Christian‘s voice is thin and doesn’t have Carl’s  power, beauty and range.

Here they are recently doing GV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NMaKdD9RqI

Christian does fine in the harmony stack but he’s no Carl..  impossible shoes to fill.. Band is great!
But Mike doesn’t sound like Mike.. Either someone is doubling him or he’s using PC.



Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: juliansuess on April 27, 2022, 01:45:18 AM
I think they are really good. Christian sings very well in my opinion, but, as you said, it's impossible to fill Carl's shoes. He was like one in a million.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Tony S on April 27, 2022, 04:01:46 AM
Unfortunately I think Christian is awful as a lead vocalist. He has no range in his voice no power he's extremely Bland and Sounds nothing at all like Carl. I just don't think he's a good lead singer at all. On the contrary Brian Eichelberger is very very good


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: juliansuess on April 27, 2022, 09:34:01 AM
Who is Brian Eichelberger?


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 27, 2022, 11:29:17 AM
Who is Brian Eichelberger?
Ike


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: WonderBill on May 13, 2022, 11:33:17 PM
If by recently you mean 2016–17, then yes I've seen both bands live. Mike's band on October 5, 2016 and Brian's band on May 12, 2017, both in Houston. I pretty much enjoyed both shows equally; and they were quite different from each other in presentation and atmosphere, even though many songs were the same.

The first show I attended by myself. I sat about five or six rows from the stage. Unfortunately, it wasn't until two years later that I started recording every show I go to on audio. I sure would've liked to have both of these shows as a keepsake, and especially because they were in smaller venues and the sound would have been great.

The things I remember about Mike and Bruce's show were how fast-paced it was, but still intimate; Mike's vocals being great and he was in a good mood; how tight the band was; and the crowd was very enthusiastic. Some highlights for me that I can recall were Kiss Me Baby, Their Hearts Were Full of Spring, and I'm Waiting For The Day. Since I grew up watching Full House (and I will admit, my first real exposure to the band), I was hoping John Stamos would be at that one but unfortunately he wasn't, although Mike did namedrop him.

I really enjoyed mingling with the people around me during the intermission. Some of them seemed like big fans. I looked around to see if there were any people closer to my age there (I was 23 at the time), but I only saw one couple that were younger. I also seem to recall another younger girl that was in the same row as me but on the other side. She was there with her mother I think… and she sticks out of my mind because she was standing up and singing Kokomo really enthusiastically during said song.

After the show, an older woman that had been sitting a few seats down from me told me she saw me singing along a lot and asked me how I knew all of those songs. I told her I was a DJ (which is the truth), to which she enthusiastically replied, "well good for you!"

For Brian's concert, I went with a friend of mine who is a musician (who was also working backstage during Mike and Bruce's show). The Boys are far from his favorite band, but he does appreciate their music quite a bit. He actually sent me a picture of the setlist just before Mike and Bruce's show started, but I didn't look at it because I wanted it all to be a surprise.

I wasn't as close to the stage at Brian's show, but we were still on the floor. There were several people sitting around us who were also big fans and I enjoyed conversating with them before the show. One woman in particular I remember mentioned to me that Sunflower was her favorite album, so I knew she was serious.

I knew that Brian's mood and performance could be a hit or miss at concerts, but to me, he really seemed into it that night. I loved every minute of that show and it was a great performance by Brian, Al and Blondie. I'd be lying if I said that Brian is the greatest front man in the world, but I agree with an above statement that his show has a more genuine and authentic feel to it. Some highlights I recall were Wild Honey, with Blondie's extended guitar solo, Add Some Music To Your Day, and God Only Knows for which Brian received a standing ovation. I'll never forget that moment!

Well, that was over five years ago now; and I hope the bands are still delivering good quality shows for the most part.

Recently, Mike's band played two shows in Galveston that I considered going to, but couldn't get a ticket. As it turned out, I wasn't that disappointed, because upon viewing the setlist, it was just the standard fare with nothing real special added. However, Brian will be in town next month with Chicago and I'm definitely going to try and make that one! I have a couple of friends whom I turned onto the band, and they want to go with me. The Chicago/BB concert bill is a classic, and I'm really looking forward to it!

To echo another point made above, I agree that cell phone video is not the best way to judge a performance. For example, I recently saw George Strait in concert for only the second time ever and the first time in nine years. I have seen a few videos in recent years posted on social media by people I know who have attended his shows. Based on some of those videos, my opinion was somewhat that he seems to be getting old and his performing days may be coming to a complete end. However, that was not my opinion at all upon leaving the concert! He seemed just as young and vigorous as he ever has, and I'd bet that he has at least ten more years left in him! Even when I go back and listen to my (well-recorded) audio of the show, my latter opinion stands.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: The 4th Wilson Bro. on June 25, 2022, 01:14:53 PM
I last saw the Beach Boys in September 2021, and it was an excellent show. It wasn't just the sun, fun and surf hits; several Feel Flows songs were featured, along with a few songs from Mike's recent solo albums. Scott Totten is a great guitar player, John Cowsill is an excellent drummer; the entire group does a great job playing the catalog. It's a great night out for anyone that loves the music; the only ones who are going to walk away unhappy are the ones who think Mike is Satan and Brian is Jesus Christ.

I chuckled. Not sure that's not the majority around these parts.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Zenobi on June 25, 2022, 05:12:36 PM
Mike Satan and Brian Jesus Christ? The usual dramatic exaggeration.
Look, I am a Beach Boys fan since 1963, and hail from a "peripheral" country where I guess I am one of the 2/3 BB fans (not that I know anything about the supposed other 1/2). I could not care less about the ongoing, endless feud between "Brianistas" and "Mike Lovers". Or better, I only care about it because it makes, so often, following BB forums such a difficult and, in the end, unsatisfying experience.
But... I can't ever be neutral between Brian and Mike. I have nothing against Mike, I am a fan of his too (and particularly of his fantastic baritone/bass register)! But early in the '60s I learned that the genius who was writing almost all that sublime music was one Brian Wilson. And that without him, all this great, unique cathedral of music called the Beach Boys would never have happened. And that he accomplished this despite ENORMOUS personal problems.
This is the only reason I am a member of this forum, instead of the "other one". Because, in my humble foreigner's opinion, here people always remember that. In that other place? Sometimes. And I am sure that there I would be totally unwelcome, as a stoopid "Brianista".
But said this, I don't think that Mike is Satan, nor that Brian is Jesus Christ.



Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Awesoman on June 26, 2022, 09:05:13 AM
Haven't seen Mike Love's band (other than the 50th anniversary tour) perform since 2004 when I worked backstage at Chastain Amphitheatre in ATL (and that certainly was an interesting and surreal day).  My understanding is that the band has changed dramatically since and for the better.  And it would seem over the years since Carl's passing that Love has been more open to performing deeper cuts including post-60's material that I longed to hear back when I'd regularly see them perform in the 90's.  Although I pass on Mike's band simply because it really isn't the Beach Boys at this point other than in legal terms, my understanding is that it really isn't that bad of a show and the group Mike performs with does a pretty darn good job with the material.  John Cowsill in particular gets a lot of high praise, although I'm not even sure if he's still in the band.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Robbie Mac on June 26, 2022, 12:45:02 PM
Mike Satan and Brian Jesus Christ? The usual dramatic exaggeration.
Look, I am a Beach Boys fan since 1963, and hail from a "peripheral" country where I guess I am one of the 2/3 BB fans (not that I know anything about the supposed other 1/2). I could not care less about the ongoing, endless feud between "Brianistas" and "Mike Lovers". Or better, I only care about it because it makes, so often, following BB forums such a difficult and, in the end, unsatisfying experience.
But... I can't ever be neutral between Brian and Mike. I have nothing against Mike, I am a fan of his too (and particularly of his fantastic baritone/bass register)! But early in the '60s I learned that the genius who was writing almost all that sublime music was one Brian Wilson. And that without him, all this great, unique cathedral of music called the Beach Boys would never have happened. And that he accomplished this despite ENORMOUS personal problems.
This is the only reason I am a member of this forum, instead of the "other one". Because, in my humble foreigner's opinion, here people always remember that. In that other place? Sometimes. And I am sure that there I would be totally unwelcome, as a stoopid "Brianista".
But said this, I don't think that Mike is Satan, nor that Brian is Jesus Christ.



Well said.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: rab2591 on June 26, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
The original quote from Mike sums up perfectly the flawed way he looks at things (or perhaps used to look at things). Few can deny that Brian Wilson has something special going on when it comes to music - so already most people are going to put Brian on a pedestal above others (even very accomplished songwriters bow down to Brian’s genius in various ways). Secondly, plenty of people who feel that way also don’t give a hoot about Mike’s personality issues. Mike makes this weird exaggeration that automatically generalizes an entire group of BB fans, probably most of whom just don’t care about these petty Mike vs Brian issues to begin with.

I just find it to be a means of divisiveness that doesn’t need to exist. And while I get that he’s trying to point out just how much people dislike him, you also don’t need Brian Wilson there as a yin to your yang to make your point. As in, if I were to sue my cousin and his family over a harmless picture on a freebie CD, you wouldn’t need to know the stature of my cousin to know that I’m a fairly petty person. If I were to host a benefit dinner that was raising money to support the killing of endangered species, you wouldn’t need to know my cousin in order to know that I may not have the most solid moral foundation. If I were to invite someone on a plane ride and then at the end of the trip make him pay for the fuel, you wouldn’t need to know my cousin in order to know that I’m not that nice of a person. Etc etc.

That quote from Mike is cute for a book or the papers, but it doesn’t at all represent the reality of the way some people view Mike Love…the strict correlation between being in awe of Brian’s talent/music and how one feels about Mike Love just doesn’t exist. Hopefully he (or his apologists) doesn’t actually think this is true.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: The 4th Wilson Bro. on June 27, 2022, 12:22:25 PM
Seems some of us may not be familiar with the term, "hyperbole."


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Lonely Summer on June 27, 2022, 01:49:12 PM
I get that Brian Wilson in the 60's was the driving force behind a body of work that many of us consider genius. I'm not sure what that has to do with choosing to go to a concert now in 2022.
When was the last time Brian created a work of genius?
In the past, I suppose there were people who chose to go to a Chuck Berry or Little Richard concert just so they could say they had seen them perform. To worship at the feet of one of the originators of rock and roll. Maybe it didn't matter to do them if Chuck remembered the lyrics to those great songs he wrote in the 50's and 60's. Maybe it didn't matter if Richard spent more time talking to the crowd than singing for them.
I would imagine the casual fans are more interested in just getting a great show, and for them, Mike's Beach Boys deliver.
It also helps that his concerts are more affordable than the likes of McCartney, Stones, etc.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: rab2591 on June 27, 2022, 02:39:26 PM
Seems some of us may not be familiar with the term, "hyperbole."

I mean, the first guy to respond to the comparison literally defined the term hyperbole in his opening line. So I don't think it's a matter of not being familiar with the term.

The original hyperbole coined by Mike just doesn't make any sense (as in, he's exaggerating the idea that anyone who loves Brian also hates Mike which just isn't true). And it seems that Lonely Summer riffed on that hyperbole for his own intentional exaggeration. And given the original isn't grounded in any sense of reality, it makes sense to me that anyone playing off this exaggeration is going to be met with some blowback from certain people who don't agree.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Zenobi on June 28, 2022, 12:55:26 PM
https://youtu.be/ThJcHjCI9j4


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 29, 2022, 08:15:17 AM
Mike Satan and Brian Jesus Christ? The usual dramatic exaggeration.
Look, I am a Beach Boys fan since 1963, and hail from a "peripheral" country where I guess I am one of the 2/3 BB fans (not that I know anything about the supposed other 1/2). I could not care less about the ongoing, endless feud between "Brianistas" and "Mike Lovers". Or better, I only care about it because it makes, so often, following BB forums such a difficult and, in the end, unsatisfying experience.
But... I can't ever be neutral between Brian and Mike. I have nothing against Mike, I am a fan of his too (and particularly of his fantastic baritone/bass register)! But early in the '60s I learned that the genius who was writing almost all that sublime music was one Brian Wilson. And that without him, all this great, unique cathedral of music called the Beach Boys would never have happened. And that he accomplished this despite ENORMOUS personal problems.
This is the only reason I am a member of this forum, instead of the "other one". Because, in my humble foreigner's opinion, here people always remember that. In that other place? Sometimes. And I am sure that there I would be totally unwelcome, as a stoopid "Brianista".
But said this, I don't think that Mike is Satan, nor that Brian is Jesus Christ.



One of the worst turns in the overall fan universe was when celebrating Brian Wilson in the terms you listed above was "spun" in some relatively small circles as a slight on Mike Love or even on other band members and almost dismissed as overt fan worship, and even worse, as something that's not true in the history. If people - for whatever reasons they may have - try to diminish the role Brian played in the band's position in popular culture and the creation of the music, there will be a pushback. And rightfully so: People generally have ears of their own and also don't need to be lectured on why that praise of Brian and his role in the band is misplaced or isn't warranted, or that others deserve or are being denied equal credit especially for that initial run of classic music on Capitol in the 60's. Everyone played a part in that music, yes, but there was clearly one guy most responsible for making those records. That's not a slight on anyone else to state that fact, and it's also unnecessary to argue "well, *blank* was a genius too!".


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: leoleoleoleo on July 04, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
I saw them the other day at the Royal Albert Hall.

It was a mixed bag! I'll start with the stuff I didn't like:

  • The film they play on the Big Screen before they come on. The first time I saw the Mike and Bruce Beach Boys show, they had the film play at the start - it was cut tight like a film trailer, probably only minute in length, showing clips of the boys on stage and in the studio, mostly from the 60s and early 70s. I remember thinking it was quite well done, and it got me hyped for the show that was about to come. The film has since bloated to include not just practically every use of a Beach Boys song in a film, from 50 First Dates to the present day, but every mention of the Beach Boys in every third rate Netflix show I've ever heard of. Like, you don't need to do this Mike and Bruce. We know the Beach Boys are a big deal. You're making yourselves look desperate for cultural relevancy when you really don't need to!
  • The Big Screen, in general. There's an animated visual of some sort in the back ground throughout the whole show. Sometimes it will be the lyrics, never quite in time with the band. Sometimes it will be a slideshow of summery images, a lot of them bad quality jpegs, gliding across the screen, reminiscent of a screensaver in a hotel lobby. Very occasionally it will show footage that looks actually professionally put together - the Good Vibrations studio footage, for example - which makes the janky stuff appear even jankier when it returns. It looks like it was put together by Mike's great granddaughter. I'd be shocked to find out it was a professional job.
  • Stamos. Sorry. I wanted to be ok with Stamos. I have nothing against the guy. Good for him, he's living his dream of being a Beach Boy. But his antics are just so distracting. During Mike's talking to the audience in between songs he would yell stuff off-mic, snarky "heheh I'm kinda like Mike's bratty but lovable nephew" comments, which Mike would then have to repeat so that we the audience knew what he was saying. In Britain, for the most part, we don't really know who John Stamos is, so much of this fell flat. It was tedious. However I will say, and I believe this is controversial, but I think he's an ok drummer!
  • Another Stamos thing, before he sang "Forever", he gave a speech about Bob Saget, to whom he dedicated his performance of the song. I don't want to be mean, I know they were friends. But he does this, and up on the screen appears a big blurry black and white jpeg of Bob Saget with a quote about being kind. And all I can think is, this is the weirdest fucking Beach Boys show I've ever been to.
  • At one point they brought a female singer on to sing one of the songs (I think "Don't Worry Baby"). I didn't quite catch from Mike's introduction what relation she has to the band, but I feel that relation is the key word here. She wasn't a bad singer at all, but her style wasn't in keeping with the band at all, it was quite musical theatre. After her one song, she was gone. It wasn't the worst thing in the world by any means, just... odd.
  • Christian made quite a big a boo boo on "This Is That", at one point singing a verse instead of a chorus. Scott Totten had to get in front of him and wave at him to alert him to the boo boo, and seemed a bit pissed off. I felt bad for Christian, that song IS a bit of a dirge, I'd lose track of where I was too.
  • Pisces Brothers

And now the good stuff!

  • The band is great, and I especially like that they had a horn section with actual french horns for God Only Knows, and proper timpani in the percussion section, these touches really elevate the sound.
  • Cowsill's "Darlin" is great, a big highlight for me.
  • Bruce's "Disney Girls". Bruce has quite a whispery voice these days (which I like) but when he goes into falsetto it's the voice of a young man, really amazing to witness live.
  • "Why Do Fools Fall In Love". I don't know why this one in particular to be honest, but they always seem to sing the sh*t out of it whenever I see them
  • They really do still seem to care about putting on a show, which is nice. Mike and Bruce put their all into the performance. Bruce wanders around and grins and does a sort of "Ta Dah!" gesture to certain players when they take a solo. Ok it's not Circ Du Soleil but he could just stand at his keyboard and fiddle with his mic if he wanted to.
  • "Here Today" is a personal favourite of mine from Pet Sounds, so to hear Mike sing it live is really cool.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Robbie Mac on July 04, 2022, 01:27:47 PM
I’m always stunned to hear that as popular as the show was in the US (at the height of its popularity in the early 90’s, it hit Top 10 in the Nielsen’s), that the series NEVER aired in the UK. Especially since many other hit US shows were hugely popular with British audiences.


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: maskedwindsurfer on July 04, 2022, 01:43:26 PM
The girl singing Kiss me baby with Mike is his daughter Ambha, i think it's a cool inclusion in the set.
I like the big screen like in the C50 tour.
I attended the french show in Olympia (Paris), it was wonderful. Everybody standing in their feet from Do it again to Fun fun fun. Mike was in great voice and Brian E as well. I missed All I wanna do though (it was on the RAH setlist). I could easily have done without Stamos ...


Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on July 05, 2022, 01:37:52 PM
I saw them the other day at the Royal Albert Hall.

It was a mixed bag! I'll start with the stuff I didn't like:

  • The film they play on the Big Screen before they come on. The first time I saw the Mike and Bruce Beach Boys show, they had the film play at the start - it was cut tight like a film trailer, probably only minute in length, showing clips of the boys on stage and in the studio, mostly from the 60s and early 70s. I remember thinking it was quite well done, and it got me hyped for the show that was about to come. The film has since bloated to include not just practically every use of a Beach Boys song in a film, from 50 First Dates to the present day, but every mention of the Beach Boys in every third rate Netflix show I've ever heard of. Like, you don't need to do this Mike and Bruce. We know the Beach Boys are a big deal. You're making yourselves look desperate for cultural relevancy when you really don't need to!
  • The Big Screen, in general. There's an animated visual of some sort in the back ground throughout the whole show. Sometimes it will be the lyrics, never quite in time with the band. Sometimes it will be a slideshow of summery images, a lot of them bad quality jpegs, gliding across the screen, reminiscent of a screensaver in a hotel lobby. Very occasionally it will show footage that looks actually professionally put together - the Good Vibrations studio footage, for example - which makes the janky stuff appear even jankier when it returns. It looks like it was put together by Mike's great granddaughter. I'd be shocked to find out it was a professional job.
  • Stamos. Sorry. I wanted to be ok with Stamos. I have nothing against the guy. Good for him, he's living his dream of being a Beach Boy. But his antics are just so distracting. During Mike's talking to the audience in between songs he would yell stuff off-mic, snarky "heheh I'm kinda like Mike's bratty but lovable nephew" comments, which Mike would then have to repeat so that we the audience knew what he was saying. In Britain, for the most part, we don't really know who John Stamos is, so much of this fell flat. It was tedious. However I will say, and I believe this is controversial, but I think he's an ok drummer!
  • Another Stamos thing, before he sang "Forever", he gave a speech about Bob Saget, to whom he dedicated his performance of the song. I don't want to be mean, I know they were friends. But he does this, and up on the screen appears a big blurry black and white jpeg of Bob Saget with a quote about being kind. And all I can think is, this is the weirdest fucking Beach Boys show I've ever been to.
  • At one point they brought a female singer on to sing one of the songs (I think "Don't Worry Baby"). I didn't quite catch from Mike's introduction what relation she has to the band, but I feel that relation is the key word here. She wasn't a bad singer at all, but her style wasn't in keeping with the band at all, it was quite musical theatre. After her one song, she was gone. It wasn't the worst thing in the world by any means, just... odd.
  • Christian made quite a big a boo boo on "This Is That", at one point singing a verse instead of a chorus. Scott Totten had to get in front of him and wave at him to alert him to the boo boo, and seemed a bit pissed off. I felt bad for Christian, that song IS a bit of a dirge, I'd lose track of where I was too.
  • Pisces Brothers

And now the good stuff!

  • The band is great, and I especially like that they had a horn section with actual french horns for God Only Knows, and proper timpani in the percussion section, these touches really elevate the sound.
  • Cowsill's "Darlin" is great, a big highlight for me.
  • Bruce's "Disney Girls". Bruce has quite a whispery voice these days (which I like) but when he goes into falsetto it's the voice of a young man, really amazing to witness live.
  • "Why Do Fools Fall In Love". I don't know why this one in particular to be honest, but they always seem to sing the sh*t out of it whenever I see them
  • They really do still seem to care about putting on a show, which is nice. Mike and Bruce put their all into the performance. Bruce wanders around and grins and does a sort of "Ta Dah!" gesture to certain players when they take a solo. Ok it's not Circ Du Soleil but he could just stand at his keyboard and fiddle with his mic if he wanted to.
  • "Here Today" is a personal favourite of mine from Pet Sounds, so to hear Mike sing it live is really cool.

Hope this helps.

Great review! I watched parts of the Royal Albert Hall set on Youtube... noticed a few nights ago that it was up, and to my surprise got sucked into watching most of it. Nice to see some deep cuts rolled out. Your list of highs and lows matches mine exactly.



Title: Re: Anybody went to a Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce) concert recently? Your opinion?
Post by: Don Malcolm on July 05, 2022, 02:12:50 PM
From a quick gander at the video, it's actually "Kiss Me Baby" where Ambha is on stage.

Mike has been at this relentlessly for nearly 60 years, and his shows have improved in recent years because there is the competition between the two factions to keep things focused.

I suspect that Azoff understood from the get-go that he'd never really get Brian and Mike on stage together again for more than a short tour, thus he's willing to let the situation exist so long as they give him maximum latitude to sell legacy and product. We'll just have to see what kinds of product they come up with to keep things moving after the big (and encouragingly splashy) release of SOUNDS OF SUMMER.