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Title: Mike Love just announced a "Good Vibrations" Cruise
Post by: Crow on October 07, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
So Mike just announced a "Good Vibrations" cruise with what's left of the Monkees. Yahoo News does a great job of asking some questions - (i.e. 60 anniversary tour and so on). I am not a Mike hater but man he makes it hard to like him.... see below....

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/questions-beach-boys-monkees-good-190830868.html


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 07, 2021, 01:42:29 PM
Originally a Rolling Stone article:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/monkees-beach-boys-cruise-mark-mcgrath-1238631/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/monkees-beach-boys-cruise-mark-mcgrath-1238631/)

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/10/07/beach-boys-plan-bahamas-fan-cruise-with-the-monkees-temptations/ (https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/10/07/beach-boys-plan-bahamas-fan-cruise-with-the-monkees-temptations/)

The cruise has its own website now with more details:

https://www.thebeachboyscruise.com/ (https://www.thebeachboyscruise.com/)

Not Mike's only cruise planned for 2022, he's also back on the high seas again with the "Malt Shop Memories":

https://maltshopcruise.com/lineup/the-beach-boys/ (https://maltshopcruise.com/lineup/the-beach-boys/)


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on October 07, 2021, 01:43:42 PM
Ringin' in the 60th with Mark McGrath. Sweeeeet!  :lol




Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 07, 2021, 01:49:51 PM
Ringin' in the 60th with Mark McGrath. Sweeeeet!  :lol




And Joe Piscopo.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: relx on October 07, 2021, 02:05:56 PM
I would be very surprised if Mike Nesmith is doing this, so I imagine it will just be Monkee, singular.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Join The Human Race on October 07, 2021, 02:45:54 PM
Mike Love Sells Out! (Again)


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: RiC on October 07, 2021, 03:04:18 PM
The promovideo on the website, oh my... Robo Vibrations and musical legacy assassinations, way to go!

But anyway, if someone goes and enjoys, good for them.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 07, 2021, 03:29:03 PM
Gofundme for oldsurferdude to go? >:D


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 07, 2021, 04:01:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JvnkNtc.jpg)


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on October 07, 2021, 05:00:02 PM
The website promo writeup on the Beach Boys is full of gems... you really have to read the whole thing to appreciate it, but:

"Had this remarkable band been less committed to its art and its fans, it could have retired from the field with honor at dozens of points along the way, confident that it had made a lasting contribution to world culture.  It could have rested on the success of the epoch-shifting Pet Sounds masterpiece in 1966… or after Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world… or after recording Love’s co-written Golden Globe nominated “Kokomo” in 1988 and seeing it become its best selling single ever… or after being inducted that same year into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame… or after watching its worldwide album sales blow past l00 million… or after winning the NARAS Lifetime Achievement Award in 2001 [along with The Who, Bob Marley, Tony Bennett, Sammy Davis Jr. and Les Paul].  And still, The Beach Boys continue to have fun, fun, fun, with no end in sight."

https://www.thebeachboyscruise.com/artist/the-beach-boys/



Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 07, 2021, 07:21:07 PM
Gofundme for oldsurferdude to go? >:D
CLOWN OVERBOARD!!!!!  >:D >:D >:D


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Mr. Tiger on October 07, 2021, 07:34:55 PM
Is the endangered animal safari package included?


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on October 07, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
I thought The Monkees were done after their current tour dates but I guess money talks. From what I’ve seen though, Nesmith doesn’t look too well these days. He can’t play guitar anymore and walks with a cane. I figured they were wrapping up so that he could retire.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 07, 2021, 08:57:53 PM
I would be very surprised if Mike Nesmith is doing this, so I imagine it will just be Monkee, singular.
I think that's a very good guess.
It's strange, Micky was a guy who insisted back in 1993 that he did not seek the glare of the spotlight, didn't need the applause, was happier working as a director; yet he seems to be on the road as much as Mike Love is these days.
Also seems to have been inspired by Mike for his choice of headwear in recent years.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Don Malcolm on October 07, 2021, 09:59:12 PM
Well, it's a spring cruise...so there's still plenty of time in 2022 for a 60th tour. Strikes me that this is just Mike being Mike, continuing to demonstrate his unquenchable neediness to see his name in the media somewhere.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 07, 2021, 10:06:28 PM
FWIW. Being on a cruise is hardly part of a tour. Being on the road for Mike Nesmith is one thing. Making your way from a nice suite to the stage on a ship is pretty easy….especially if the pay check is good.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: juggler on October 07, 2021, 11:43:41 PM
It's interesting.  Some number of months ago, when it was announced that a controlling interest in BRI had been sold to one of Irving Azoff's companies, we saw a fair number of remarks along the lines of, "Thank God that the Beach Boys' brand finally has adult supervision.  This is the end of the line for the overall cheesiness.  Finally, we can expect these guys to be managed in a way worthy of their legacy and historical significance."

As some folksy tv personalities (Dr Phil?) like to say, "How's that workin' out for y'all?"   :lol


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on October 08, 2021, 01:15:45 AM
Bruce might get cabin fever being on there for 3 days...McGrath better watch his back  :lol


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 08, 2021, 02:33:41 AM
Mike Love Sells Out! (Again)

https://twitter.com/brianwilsonlive/status/1226587030974541830


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Blind Class Aristocracy on October 08, 2021, 05:36:41 AM
"Had this remarkable band been less committed to its art and its fans, it could have retired from the field with honor at dozens of points along the way, confident that it had made a lasting contribution to world culture.  It could have rested on the success of the epoch-shifting Pet Sounds masterpiece in 1966… or after Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world… or after recording Love’s co-written Golden Globe nominated “Kokomo” in 1988 and seeing it become its best selling single ever… or after being inducted that same year into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame… or after watching its worldwide album sales blow past l00 million… or after winning the NARAS Lifetime Achievement Award in 2001 [along with The Who, Bob Marley, Tony Bennett, Sammy Davis Jr. and Les Paul].  And still, The Beach Boys continue to have fun, fun, fun, with no end in sight."

I read this in Mike's voice from the R&R Hall of Fame speech.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Jim V. on October 08, 2021, 06:29:10 AM
Honestly a bit surprised that Mike’s group has top billing, considered Nesmith and Dolenz are performing together. I’d think that pairing has more cachet than Love and Johnston. Guess not. Of course if it was the reunited Beach Boys that’s a different story. But as the photo shows, it’s Mike and his gang of dudes.

Also count me as surprised Nesmith is doing this. I’m also surprised he’s been doing this Monkees thing at all recently.  


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: rab2591 on October 08, 2021, 07:41:22 AM
"Had this remarkable band been less committed to its art and its fans, it could have retired from the field with honor at dozens of points along the way, confident that it had made a lasting contribution to world culture.  It could have rested on the success of the epoch-shifting Pet Sounds masterpiece in 1966… or after Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world… or after recording Love’s co-written Golden Globe nominated “Kokomo” in 1988 and seeing it become its best selling single ever… or after being inducted that same year into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame… or after watching its worldwide album sales blow past l00 million… or after winning the NARAS Lifetime Achievement Award in 2001 [along with The Who, Bob Marley, Tony Bennett, Sammy Davis Jr. and Les Paul].  And still, The Beach Boys continue to have fun, fun, fun, with no end in sight."

I read this in Mike's voice from the R&R Hall of Fame speech.

“The beach boys do about 180 cruise ship performances every year…I’d like to see the Mop Tops match that!”

But for real, what a great observation - this thing reads just like Mike’s speech. Also, wasn’t the Endless Summer album Dennis’ idea?


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Rocker on October 08, 2021, 07:57:31 AM
"Had this remarkable band been less committed to its art and its fans, it could have retired from the field with honor at dozens of points along the way, confident that it had made a lasting contribution to world culture.  It could have rested on the success of the epoch-shifting Pet Sounds masterpiece in 1966… or after Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world… or after recording Love’s co-written Golden Globe nominated “Kokomo” in 1988 and seeing it become its best selling single ever… or after being inducted that same year into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame… or after watching its worldwide album sales blow past l00 million… or after winning the NARAS Lifetime Achievement Award in 2001 [along with The Who, Bob Marley, Tony Bennett, Sammy Davis Jr. and Les Paul].  And still, The Beach Boys continue to have fun, fun, fun, with no end in sight."

I read this in Mike's voice from the R&R Hall of Fame speech.

“The beach boys do about 180 cruise ship performances every year…I’d like to see the Mop Tops match that!”

But for real, what a great observation - this thing reads just like Mike’s speech. Also, wasn’t the Endless Summer album Dennis’ idea?


IIRC Capitol planned a best of album and Mike suggested the title "Endless Summer". Never heard that Dennis had anything to do with it, but that doesn't mean he didn't


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: ExUpstairsCaptain on October 08, 2021, 08:08:05 AM
There's a lot to unpack here. I'm somewhat surprised that Mike and Irving believe enough folks would be attracted to an entire cruise centered around the touring band. Kiss has been pulling this sort of thing off for years now, but many of their fans are fanatical and, to be fair, they tend to put together solid supporting lineups on their Krusies. Def Leppard tried this a few years ago, and not nearly enough people bought tickets. Time will tell. This seems like a pretty lackluster way to celebrate the 60th, all things considered, so I would hope there really is something else in the pipeline. I don't see this as, "super cheesy," or necessarily, "damaging the band's legacy." I just don't understand the appeal of what is essentially a, "Mike Love Cruise."

On the one hand, I would hope McGrath would be allowed to play a set of his own rather than just singing a few numbers with Mike. After all, unlike Stamos, he's an accomplished musician in his own right. On the other hand, I don't see many of this cruise's likely customers being Sugar Ray fans.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: HeyJude on October 08, 2021, 08:26:42 AM
It's interesting.  Some number of months ago, when it was announced that a controlling interest in BRI had been sold to one of Irving Azoff's companies, we saw a fair number of remarks along the lines of, "Thank God that the Beach Boys' brand finally has adult supervision.  This is the end of the line for the overall cheesiness.  Finally, we can expect these guys to be managed in a way worthy of their legacy and historical significance."

As some folksy tv personalities (Dr Phil?) like to say, "How's that workin' out for y'all?"   :lol

Iconic nor Azoff (nor BRI's President Jerry Schilling) run Mike's tour. It's a completely autonomous entity, which licenses the name from what is now Iconic/BRI.

I don't recall anybody thinking or saying that, upon Iconic's purchase, anything would change in any significant way as far as Mike's touring. Indeed, I think a pretty fair assumption/guess would be that, considering touring is essentially clearly Mike's main deal in life at this point, both personally and professionally, Mike would likely never sign off on such a sale if it meant any significant change to the status quo as far as his touring.

The one area where I'd put a small asterisk is concerning Mike's political gigs (and gigs that are easily politicized). I do believe Iconic will ensure that there will be no more s**t-shows like Mike's trophy hunting gig or the Trump fundraiser gigs, etc. Indeed, after the most recent PR biff with "The Beach Boys" doing a Trump gig, it's not a coincidence that the next Trump-related gig Mike did was under *his own name*.

But outside of extreme situations like that, I think Mike's tour was always going to largely continue as it has. And this cruise gig isn't really insanely more heinous or tacky than what Mike normally does. It's the same deal as usual, just on a boat. He's been doing multi-band bills with c-lister bands for ages, and he's been playing small and sometimes tacky venues for ages.

Make no mistake, I'd love for Iconic or anybody to convince these guys to do something more unified and classy. But I never thought or assumed, especially on the *touring* front, Iconic's purchase would change things. Again, I don't think Mike would sign off on any deal that significantly altered how he tours.

The area where Iconic can and already has helped is with the archives and other projects that largely don't require active and/or reunited participation of the band members.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 08, 2021, 08:34:31 AM
The issue of the "Endless Summer" credit and Mike's role from the cruise's PR release is NOT new and has been happening for well over a decade.

Here's a post from 2010, about a previous "Malt Shop Memories" cruise featuring Mike and the band, and note the exact same wording was used in that release:

http://www.maltshopcruise.com/

But this statement under the Beach Boys Bio caught my eye.

In 1974 Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world.

 :o


They just dusted off an old press release that was just as inaccurate then as it is now. I guess no one either bothered or dared to correct it in the past 11 years or so. More "sloppy" work from some hapless interns in the marketing department? Who knows...

And note too that Mike is doing yet another Malt Shop cruise after the one we're discussing, see the link above.

As far as calling "Endless Summer" "Mike Love's concept album", that's just bullshit. But we've also covered that numerous times before, along with the claim that Mike "produced" the Endless Summer album when it is a compilation of Brian Wilson or Nik Venet productions from Capitol's vault.

And Bruce Brown who created the classic surfing film "Endless Summer" in 1966 may have been the one to coin the term along with the group The Sandals who had the hit soundtrack connecting surfing and surf music to that title and concept, but I digress.

Here's a few quotes from that 2010 discussion to consider:

Someone needs to say that Endless Summer was Bruce Brown`s concept 10 years before the Capitol reissue.

Mike Love single-handedly turned the Beach Boys' very creative Sunflower/Surf's Up/CT&P/Holland machine into an oldies act overnight with his idea of Endless Summer.

Mikie, that's complete nonsense and you know it - at best, Mike suggested a title for a pre-existing, almost completed reissue project. Wasn't his idea, he had nothing to do with track selection, and he sure as hell had no idea it would take off like Craig Breedlove on speed. No-one did, least of all Capitol.

at best, Mike suggested a title for a pre-existing, almost completed reissue project. Wasn't his idea, he had nothing to do with track selection, and he sure as hell had no idea it would take off like Craig Breedlove on speed. No-one did, least of all Capitol.

I think this was the main idea of the original post in this thread, that the Endless Summer album was being credited directly as Mike's concept album in that press release when it obviously was not. So why make that claim in print in the first place?

Remember too that Capitol thought so much of the Beach Boys at that point in time that they couldn't even *find* let alone release the original 45/radio mix of Help Me Rhonda on the comp, a hit song which was roughly 8 years old at the time. That's harsh.

Add in the influence of George Lucas' "American Graffitti" on the Beach Boys revival of sorts well before Endless Summer - their "old" songs are featured in the movie, they're part of the dialogue, and in one of the better end-title music sequences in film "All Summer Long" blasts over the credits and sounds friggin' amazing!

I think the history of writing and releasing statements like that of the Endless Summer "concept" only feeds the fire so to speak among those in one Beach Boys "camp" or the other. I honestly don't know why they can't just leave that stuff alone and let people enjoy the music for what it is.


Ouch.

And that's from 2010...along with previous press releases and promotions which used the exact same or similar wording to promote Mike's shows...yet no one in over a decade has fact-checked or corrected something which just isn't accurate. It just continues to feed the fire and it's a little disheartening to see how little things have changed since 2010 in that regard. At least they didn't use a C50 photo from 2012 to promote this cruise.



Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: HeyJude on October 08, 2021, 09:00:34 AM
In Mike's 1992 Goldmine interview, he seems to simply address suggesting the title. He even calls the cover art "awful."


Q: Capitol's treatment of the Beach Boys' catalog on CD has been fabulous. What was your impression of the slew of two-fer Beach Boys CDs?

A: I don't even know. I don't know.

Q: Have you seen them?

A: No. I don't know. You find that amusing?

Q: Yeah, it's hard to believe that being a Beach Boy you haven't seen something like that.

A: It is hard to believe. I find it hard to believe too.

Q: Why is that?

A: Why is that? Because I'm a Pisces, is that a good answer [uproarious laughter]? That's as good as I can come up with. There is nothing that we can do to stop them from merchandising our records the way they want to merchandise them so we're at their mercy. So if they've done something that in the opinion of the caring public is well done, then I'm glad to hear it. But having no recourse or say-so ... For instance, they were going to do a Best Of The Beach Boys Volume Three in 19 - , whatever the hell it was, and I came in there and went, "Wait a second, call it Endless Summer." And instead of being Volume Three which sound nauseating to me, like ...

Q: The third rung of hits.

A: Exactly. Endless Summer has a whole other vibe to it and sold several million copies just with the switch of the title. But then I'm a title guy anyway.

Q: The artwork was so strange on that album. I could never tell who was who.

A: Yeah, I know, it was awful ...


Here's a question. What *was* Capitol actually going to call this collection? "Greatest Hits Vol. 3" had already come out, and clearly this set was kind of a "starting over at square one" sort of hits track listing rather than a continuation of the old "Greatest Hits" albums going back to 1966.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 08, 2021, 11:34:45 AM
Promo video.

https://youtu.be/kbDZFtgKMvc


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: HeyJude on October 08, 2021, 12:09:06 PM
Promo video.

https://youtu.be/kbDZFtgKMvc

For some reason, I find it slightly eerie that Bruce's performance in this promo seems so similar to his on-camera narration for "An American Band."

Admittedly, this video makes the whole thing a bit extra cheesy and carny status than it seems when you just think about it versus hear them actively pitch it.

"Hand-picked?" Really? They have not even the top-tier Beatles *tribute* band on the bill.

Also, while we don't know exactly what the pandemic status will be in March of next year, I think it's insane for Mike, who will at that point be *81 years old*, and Bruce, who will be nearly 80, to do in-person meet-and-greets with fans while they're all trapped together on an ocean liner, even assuming everybody on the boat is fully vaccinated (to say nothing of whether booster shots will be more of a hanging question by March). I suppose it's possible they'll do distanced meet-and-greets, sign autographs behind plexiglass, etc.

Maybe this HBO documentary called "The Last Cruise", focusing on the infamous Diamond Princess cruise from last year, will be offered as viewing material on Mike's cruise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NspHkPKzrww


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: HeyJude on October 08, 2021, 12:13:47 PM
I recall many years ago, 1994 or 95 as I recall, when the Beach Boys did a similar sort of cruise thing, where they cruise around and then dock somewhere around the Bahamas and play a gig, there was grumbling among some contingent of fans because it seemed like part of the purpose was to gather like *superfans* of the band on the cruise, but then when they did the live gig (which circulates on video), it was like a boring, standard 1995 setlist.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 08, 2021, 08:03:26 PM
Honestly a bit surprised that Mike’s group has top billing, considered Nesmith and Dolenz are performing together. I’d think that pairing has more cachet than Love and Johnston. Guess not. Of course if it was the reunited Beach Boys that’s a different story. But as the photo shows, it’s Mike and his gang of dudes.

Also count me as surprised Nesmith is doing this. I’m also surprised he’s been doing this Monkees thing at all recently.  
Nez is on record as having never liked Tork; and there was bad blood between Nez and Jones regarding the former ditching the Monkees after their UK tour in 97. So it makes perfect sense to me - "oh, great, the guys I don't like are gone, now I can come back".
I admire Nez greatly as  a songwriter and singer; not so much as a person.
Not so impressed with Micky these days, either. When you get some of the backstage stories on these guys, it starts to remind you of...well, the Beach Boys.  ::)


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: rab2591 on October 09, 2021, 05:36:16 AM
(https://imgur.com/NKvgFYY.jpg)


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Tony S on October 09, 2021, 06:27:20 AM
I'll say this, despite being a year older than Bruce, Mike looks like he's still in pretty good shape physically, for an 80 year old. Bruce, on the other hand, comes across like he's closer to 90, he looks like he's really slowed down alot, looks so old, almost bordering on feeble. How much longer can Bruce continue to tour like this, even for all the $ he makes for virtually doing nothing of significance on stage?  He looks sooooo old.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 09, 2021, 08:22:45 AM
(https://imgur.com/NKvgFYY.jpg)
This is so damn great, Rab!! Absolutely brilliant indeed!  :woot :woot :woot :woot :woot :woot :woot :woot :woot


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 09, 2021, 11:21:56 AM
Shuffling deck chairs on the titanic! ;D


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Rob Dean on October 09, 2021, 12:50:09 PM
HOWEVER It was obviously fine for Brian to do such Cruise Ship gigs in 2019 ???


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 09, 2021, 01:16:41 PM
Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ‘The Beach Boys’ name rather than that of an individual. ‘Brian Wilson’ can do what he wants. ‘’The Beach Boys’ most of us hope would be somewhat selective.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on October 09, 2021, 01:41:59 PM
Is this the Brian gig? https://backstageaxxess.com/2019/08/brian-wilson-of-the-beach-boys-added-to-cayamo-lineup/

That's actually a really good lineup....very different quality to it than a lineup with Mark McGrath and a Beatles cover band.

Suppose it's just personal taste.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: RiC on October 09, 2021, 02:39:20 PM
Yes indeed, there is a huge difference in having Brian doing a cruise gig on his own with his own name, than having Mike do show called A BEACH BOYS CRUISE apparently celebrating for the 60th anniversary of this legendary group.

It's tacky and it's based on a hoax.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 09, 2021, 03:57:10 PM
Yes indeed, there is a huge difference in having Brian doing a cruise gig on his own with his own name, than having Mike do show called A BEACH BOYS CRUISE apparently celebrating for the 60th anniversary of this legendary group.

It's tacky and it's based on a hoax.
THIS        :pirate :h5 :rock :love :happydance :bow :woot :woot :woot :thumbsup :wave :old


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 09, 2021, 07:23:17 PM
Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ‘The Beach Boys’ name rather than that of an individual. ‘Brian Wilson’ can do what he wants. ‘’The Beach Boys’ most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: rab2591 on October 09, 2021, 07:43:34 PM
Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ‘The Beach Boys’ name rather than that of an individual. ‘Brian Wilson’ can do what he wants. ‘’The Beach Boys’ most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

I think it’s fairly obvious that Brian and Melinda don’t want a legal scuffle with Mike this late in Brian’s life. So, if Brian and Melinda love the money flow from Mike’s touring band (I’m sure it’s really keeping a roof over their heads and food on their plates) then yeah we do have a partial gripe with them. But our gripe isn’t limited to just them, but also to Mike and Bruce themselves who clearly see nothing wrong with calling themselves the beach boys when 2 out of 8(?) members are actually official members of the band. They honestly fit that cruise lineup perfectly.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: rab2591 on October 09, 2021, 07:53:23 PM
Also, shoutout to all the “bRiAn DoEs iT ToOoOoOoO!!!” people. I made that photoshop specially for ya’ll. Brian at least has the ability to play a cruise with a much better lineup under HIS OWN NAME instead of needing to bill himself as an entity that he clearly isn’t.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 09, 2021, 08:31:48 PM
Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ‘The Beach Boys’ name rather than that of an individual. ‘Brian Wilson’ can do what he wants. ‘’The Beach Boys’ most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

Yes, and I know the history and that Brian and Al make money off it.
But it’s no different to me having an opinion on how a phone company should be run. I use the service but don’t own stock. With  The Beach Boys I listen to the music but aren’t a principle, but still feel entitled to give thoughts on the rights or wrongs of their business decisions.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: rab2591 on October 10, 2021, 06:10:52 AM
(https://imgur.com/mD4pp6c.jpg)

I’ll always remember my dad calling The Beach Boys a bunch of drug addicts when I was listening to them one day as a kid (I was barely old enough to know what drugs were). THAT is what I’m talking about when I say legacy/reputation. People love their music and that isn’t really going to change. But what do The Beach Boys bring along with their amazing music? Manson, drugs, litigations, firings, trophy hunting gig. Are people going to specifically remember this cruise ship gig? I highly doubt it. If anything it’s just a reminder of the sad state of The Beach Boys today. It’s yet another kernel of “really?” added to a mountain of stories, legal documents, and WTF moments that already exist when you bring up the words The Beach Boys. Stuff like that doesn’t affect album sales, it affects how this band will be remembered in articles, books, etc over time.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: rab2591 on October 10, 2021, 06:31:56 AM
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Can't believe anybody other than the usual idiots are getting worked up over this. At their age, they should be able to do whatever they want (except promote shooting wild animals...)  It's not like it's a new thing.

:lol I’m glad us usual idiots got so worked up over this, otherwise ^this post wouldn’t exist :lol seriously, with Mike at the helm of this band we literally have to go out of our way to explain that promoting the killing of wild animals isn’t something we should support…But yeah, we’re idiots for pointing out that a cruise ship gig is just one minor symptom of a much greater problem with the leadership here haha


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 10, 2021, 07:45:30 AM
Rab is fire! I guess that guy on the beach was OSD! :lol


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 10, 2021, 01:32:17 PM
Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ‘The Beach Boys’ name rather than that of an individual. ‘Brian Wilson’ can do what he wants. ‘’The Beach Boys’ most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

I think it’s fairly obvious that Brian and Melinda don’t want a legal scuffle with Mike this late in Brian’s life. So, if Brian and Melinda love the money flow from Mike’s touring band (I’m sure it’s really keeping a roof over their heads and food on their plates) then yeah we do have a partial gripe with them. But our gripe isn’t limited to just them, but also to Mike and Bruce themselves who clearly see nothing wrong with calling themselves the beach boys when 2 out of 8(?) members are actually official members of the band. They honestly fit that cruise lineup perfectly.
I felt as you do once upon a time. I thought the band name should have been retired after Carl died.
So then what we would have had was Mike and Bruce touring under whatever name, doing a show of Beach Boys music. Just as we do with Brian and Al now. Brian's not out there trying to promote his solo albums - he and his group are performing a show of Beach Boys music.
So they might as well just call it the Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: rab2591 on October 10, 2021, 05:04:23 PM
Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ‘The Beach Boys’ name rather than that of an individual. ‘Brian Wilson’ can do what he wants. ‘’The Beach Boys’ most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

I think it’s fairly obvious that Brian and Melinda don’t want a legal scuffle with Mike this late in Brian’s life. So, if Brian and Melinda love the money flow from Mike’s touring band (I’m sure it’s really keeping a roof over their heads and food on their plates) then yeah we do have a partial gripe with them. But our gripe isn’t limited to just them, but also to Mike and Bruce themselves who clearly see nothing wrong with calling themselves the beach boys when 2 out of 8(?) members are actually official members of the band. They honestly fit that cruise lineup perfectly.
I felt as you do once upon a time. I thought the band name should have been retired after Carl died.
So then what we would have had was Mike and Bruce touring under whatever name, doing a show of Beach Boys music. Just as we do with Brian and Al now. Brian's not out there trying to promote his solo albums - he and his group are performing a show of Beach Boys music.
So they might as well just call it the Beach Boys.

I totally get your perspective and have honestly cared less and less as time goes on about Mike’s control of the license. I guess at times I still get bitter about the state of the band right now. I just wish they were still making music together, still touring together, not boycotting their own music because of a stupid hunting gig. So when Mike does some gig I think is absurd, I knock it. But meanwhile Mike is out there helping his band members make a living - they all have jobs they love, they play a good show. So no, I’m not that pissed off about it. And on the flip side of that, Brian and his band are helping support their crew by keeping things the way things are (and if they joined The Beach Boys to create another supergroup again, they’d clearly have to let some people go. So I’m sure everyone is mostly happy with the way things are - but what do I know?).

Idk, none of it is black and white - for the band(s), for the fans. If any of us had the power to take the license from Mike, would we really (OSD excluded ;D)?? A decision like that could alter a lot of lives. In the end would it be worth it? And that’s probably why Mike still tours as The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: rab2591 on October 10, 2021, 06:05:02 PM
Rab is fire! I guess that guy on the beach was OSD! :lol

:lol I can see OSD out on a boat, megaphone in hand, giant banner in tow reading “SAVE THE BEACH BOYS” harassing the cruise ship haha. Instead of Greenpeace it’s Beachpeace. Time to start a GoFundMe ;D



Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 11, 2021, 12:01:14 AM
Well I did allude to that point earlier in the thread, but it is once again the use of ‘The Beach Boys’ name rather than that of an individual. ‘Brian Wilson’ can do what he wants. ‘’The Beach Boys’ most of us hope would be somewhat selective.
Then your gripe is with the entity that allows Mike and Bruce to tour as The Beach Boys.

I think it’s fairly obvious that Brian and Melinda don’t want a legal scuffle with Mike this late in Brian’s life. So, if Brian and Melinda love the money flow from Mike’s touring band (I’m sure it’s really keeping a roof over their heads and food on their plates) then yeah we do have a partial gripe with them. But our gripe isn’t limited to just them, but also to Mike and Bruce themselves who clearly see nothing wrong with calling themselves the beach boys when 2 out of 8(?) members are actually official members of the band. They honestly fit that cruise lineup perfectly.
I felt as you do once upon a time. I thought the band name should have been retired after Carl died.
So then what we would have had was Mike and Bruce touring under whatever name, doing a show of Beach Boys music. Just as we do with Brian and Al now. Brian's not out there trying to promote his solo albums - he and his group are performing a show of Beach Boys music.
So they might as well just call it the Beach Boys.

I totally get your perspective and have honestly cared less and less as time goes on about Mike’s control of the license. I guess at times I still get bitter about the state of the band right now. I just wish they were still making music together, still touring together, not boycotting their own music because of a stupid hunting gig. So when Mike does some gig I think is absurd, I knock it. But meanwhile Mike is out there helping his band members make a living - they all have jobs they love, they play a good show. So no, I’m not that pissed off about it. And on the flip side of that, Brian and his band are helping support their crew by keeping things the way things are (and if they joined The Beach Boys to create another supergroup again, they’d clearly have to let some people go. So I’m sure everyone is mostly happy with the way things are - but what do I know?).

Idk, none of it is black and white - for the band(s), for the fans. If any of us had the power to take the license from Mike, would we really (OSD excluded ;D)?? A decision like that could alter a lot of lives. In the end would it be worth it? And that’s probably why Mike still tours as The Beach Boys.
:hat


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Cabinessenceking on October 11, 2021, 02:29:41 PM
If the Good Vibrations cruise doesn't include great whale hunting as a deluxe excursion for the top payers with Eric and Don Jr. posing for pictures, this will be a complete rip off.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Cabinessenceking on October 11, 2021, 02:39:49 PM
Unrelated, but cruises have a horrific environmental impact and nobody should be going on them. It's honestly better to just fly to your destination rather than support an industry that runs on heavy fuel oils which heavily pollute the environment while also dumping the waste in the seas without treatment.

I don't blame them for it, but Mike and Bruce (and Brian and Al) should know better, especially for those who have been grandstanding with environmentally minded songs (SIP, DFTS, DGNTW, etc).


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 13, 2021, 09:29:12 AM
I just see it as another way to piggyback an "anniversary" of some kind onto Mike's Beach Boys shows or events that would have happened the same way had there been an anniversary or not. What is truly special about this gig to bill it as an anniversary celebration? Mark McGrath? Will there be a giant cake with sparkler candles and a large "60" cake-topper decoration that Mike and Bruce will cut during each performance after white-gloved kitchen staff wheel it out onto the dance floor? Maybe it will be a fake cake that Stamos will jump out of? Who knows. 

Understanding this is only one gig, to promote it as a celebration tied into the 60th anniversary of "The Beach Boys", the details of which fans have been discussing a lot for obvious reasons, seems like a question of is this cruise celebrating the 60th anniversary of the Beach Boys, or is the 60th anniversary of the Beach Boys being used to sell and market a music cruise that would have happened anyway? Mike has been doing these cruises for years, as shown by the marketing department using the same erroneous copy about Endless Summer they used in 2010, verbatim.

The difference as pointed out by others in previous posts is that the band's name and history is on the marquee, versus the name of an individual band member. And that's been the difference the whole time this license setup has been in place. It's a different ballgame.


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 13, 2021, 09:30:32 AM
Just an aside, the band The Surfragettes who are also on the bill are a great instrumental surf band whose music I really enjoy, really great stuff. Check them out!


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 13, 2021, 01:33:25 PM
I just see it as another way to piggyback an "anniversary" of some kind onto Mike's Beach Boys shows or events that would have happened the same way had there been an anniversary or not. What is truly special about this gig to bill it as an anniversary celebration? Mark McGrath? Will there be a giant cake with sparkler candles and a large "60" cake-topper decoration that Mike and Bruce will cut during each performance after white-gloved kitchen staff wheel it out onto the dance floor? Maybe it will be a fake cake that Stamos will jump out of? Who knows. 

Understanding this is only one gig, to promote it as a celebration tied into the 60th anniversary of "The Beach Boys", the details of which fans have been discussing a lot for obvious reasons, seems like a question of is this cruise celebrating the 60th anniversary of the Beach Boys, or is the 60th anniversary of the Beach Boys being used to sell and market a music cruise that would have happened anyway? Mike has been doing these cruises for years, as shown by the marketing department using the same erroneous copy about Endless Summer they used in 2010, verbatim.

The difference as pointed out by others in previous posts is that the band's name and history is on the marquee, versus the name of an individual band member. And that's been the difference the whole time this license setup has been in place. It's a different ballgame.
Maybe it's time us REAL Beach Boys fans protest to BRI about the abomination that is Mike and Bruce as the touring Beach Boys.
Can we force their hand if we stop going to Mike and Bruce's shows?


Title: Re: Mike Love just announced a \
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 13, 2021, 09:33:16 PM

Can we force their hand if we stop going to Mike and Bruce's shows?


Way ahead of ya….