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If the Beach Boys have a 60th Anniversary tour, what are the chances of getting The Honeys involved?

I think the chances of such a tour are very poor to begin with. As for The Honeys, they’ve been retired from performing for many years, at least Marilyn has, and it might also bring back painful memories with the way her and Brian’s marriage dissolved.

Yes, I have wishful thinking. As for The Honeys, it's so unfortunate that they never put out more music with Brian. I know it was circumstances, but it's still too bad.

The Honeys performed a show in August. They still perform shows, just not regularly.

Yes, and I think they did that California Saga benefit a couple years ago, and they did something over Zoom last year.

I don't hold out much hope for a tour.  Maybe a one-off show?

Both Brian and Mike have their own shows booked through much of 2022, so there's certainly no way something on the magnitude of 2012's C50 could happen next year, at least not in the Spring/Summer.

Considering the timing, and the stuff they already have booked, and the way 2012 went down, I'd also guess a larger tour is unlikely.

I think they'd treat the 60th as more of a semi-hands-off multi-media project than an album/tour "reunion" cycle. Maybe that documentary Iconic has talked about, and a one-shot show (or short string of shows culled for a single airing/release). And *possibly* a new album? Not sure if they have the motivation and time to do another new album, especially if it's *not* leading up to a full tour.

Really though, how much time and effort went into the recording of TWGMTR by the actual principals?  Obviously, Brian (and maybe Mike to a lesser extent) would have to write material, but I'm not sure that the five Beach Boys were involved in more than just a handful of recording sessions.

10 years from now, we'll be begging the guys to reunite one more time for the 70th anniversary.
I'm quite happy with things as they are now. Mike has a great band around him now that plays the songs the way they should be played. You don't have to love Mike as a person to admit he's got a great band now.
For those who can't stomach the thought of being in a room with Mike and Bruce, there is the Brian and Al and Blondie show.
This way, everybody wins.
Try putting the two factions together again, and inevitably it's gonna cause a clash again.

I’ll believe it when I see it as far as a world tour goes, but the 5CD set is a new one.


The group’s 60th anniversary will be marked by the release of a retrospective five-CD set, a new documentary and, “hopefully,” a world tour, Jardine said.


https://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/brian-wilson-special-guests-bring-beach-boys-catalog-to-the-palace/

Without cancelling a lot of dates (that have only been rescheduled multiple times) there isn't physically enough time on the calendar for a world tour. Maybe a small scattering of dates in the fall at best.

I think that one has already been released...

There is really logistically almost no way to make a 2012/C50-sized "World Tour" happen for 2022 given their individual solo dates already booked through the first half or more of 2022.

The earliest they could start a full-on *tour* would be late Summer/early Fall.

My guess is that the 60th will be about some sort of documentary, some sort of new career-spanning best-of compilation (I already have heard a few things about it), and, if live shows are in the offing, I think we're looking at one show or a short string of shows. It might be something that could be called a small "tour", but I don't envision a 73-date, 5-month tour like 2012 (and even that tour in 2012 was short for such a big deal project).

I'd say even a "new" studio album seems more likely and doable than a large reunion tour, given their schedules.

And, hopefully, we'll also get the next archival set in 2022 as well.

I'd bet the "60th Anniversary Tour" will be merely a string of Mike and Bruce dates.

They desperately need an era-defining documentary like the Beatles Anthology to really give their notoriety a massive kick up the bum. There’s nothing you can show people currently to explain what the band is about.

The 2/3 world cities concert idea still sounds like the most likely one to me

I’m going to revive this thread for a second to say some things I forgot to say before the board temporarily went down. Didn’t Brian and Al already shoot down a new album? Second, if LPR hadn’t been given a soundtrack, was some of the newer material technically “available” to reuse for a possible full Brian solo or BB album?

I also agree with the statement that a 5-CD set has already been released: maybe they’ll repress MIC? That’d be nice - I wasn’t as big a fan as I am now, and I’d like to get a copy soon.

I don't see them re-releasing MIC but it's a good bet there will be yet *another* inevitable greatest hits compilation to cash in on the occasion.  Although it would seem the group has been very quiet as to how they will celebrate their anniversary or if they plan on even recognizing it at all. 

Trust me, there's PLENTY going on.

Thanks, Howie, for giving us something(s) to look forward to !!

Ken H
Houston, TX

Ahh a fellow Houstonian I see! Been here all 43 years on this planet myself

Only 71 years for me !!     

Ken H
Houston, TX  USA

Al just posted a birthday message for Mike and included “See you at the reunion”.  :o :o :o

Darn that Al Jardine.  Every time I think I'm out, he pulls me back in...

(https://i.imgur.com/sTKOtAy.jpg)

We can always count on Al to give us news of the Family

The luhvfather! :lol

That's what George Costanza said (I think)!

Yeah, it’s from Seinfeld but they were referencing The Godfather part III (I think) when Michael is lamenting that he can’t leave the family business.

yes and yes. Michael Corleone then Costanza

Leave it to Al to spill the beans as always.  :lol   very excited!

Can Locash open with free club Kokomo tickets? ;D

Not getting my hopes up but please!

I'll go if the luhvster isn't in attendance.

Not that it’s a contest, but I’d love to see a 2 member Rolling Stones 60th Tour get ‘out original..ed’ by the Hawthorne boys…even for a one-off.

For those who saw the Beach Boys Talk stream last night, Jon Stebbins was the guest and he commented on Greg, Matt, Evan, and I's thoughts on a potential 60th reunion and whether or not Al was joking. During Evan and I's segment with Greg and Matt earlier on in the stream, Evan and I both agreed that we thought Al was just joking and messing with the fans, but when Jon came on he pretty much said without revealing any details that Al was not joking and there are big things being planned/discussed. After the stream ended, I also heard from a different inside source who confirmed a few things Jon was hinting at, some of which I've heard rumblings about. But needless to say, I no longer think Al was joking.

I am still not getting my hopes up. Nothing is a sure thing until it happens, just like the Feel Flows box set delay showed. But still, I am much more excited about the possibility of a potential reunion now compared to how I felt 8 hours ago.

Edit: Edited for clarity.

Brian, Mike Al, Bruce, Dave, Blondie and Ricky. Plus California Saga. Wouldn't that be cool? That's my Summer Dream.

This press release around the Sounds of Summer 6LP also mentions a tribute concert.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-beach-boys-announce-yearlong-60th-anniversary-global-celebration-301535248.html

Would suggest that if it's not in that press statement, then that tribute gig (which may feature some, all or none of the BBs) is the closest we'll get to a 60th celebration

Just pointing out that by the September this year, 4 of the C50 principles will be in their 80s. Planning and promoting any kind of Beach Boys band participation in their own tribute months out is possibly being viewed as a ‘if possible’.

You can always count on Al spilling the beans.

Interesting….9:35 Al talks about about a possible ‘trial’ reunion show being proposed.

https://youtu.be/FfEZV3hO_eg

If they were the Kinks, they'd wait until year 61 or 62 to do a 60th anniversary reunion.

On the other hand, this IS the Beach Boys we're talking about.
 ::)

They've all got their own bookings set through pretty much the end of the year. Mike already has 2023 dates scheduled.

The only way an actual gig could happen would be a one-off (or a very short series of shows). And if they did that, I'd say there's a decent chance it might not even be a regular "gig" as such, but some sort of thing shot on a TV sound stage with an invited audience or something. One of those deals where you play two or three nights and then edit it together as one "concert special."

I don't see much of a scenario where a live show at this stage could approach the stunning quality of the 2012 tour. Even setting aside that they're all 10 years older and really only Al still sounds as good, if they do a one-off or short series of shows, I would doubt the setlist would be as deep or as lengthy as the best of those 2012 shows. That tour started out great in terms of show quality, but it absolutely evolved as it continued, with longer, more interesting setlists. I don't see a 2022 one-off show replicated that 2012 Royal Albert Hall show where they did 61 songs.

I agree with Hey Jude

Not sure if anyone saw Al's recent comments in an interview but he touchs on the documentary (apparently nothing has officially started at least with the living band members) and a potential reunion:
"It'd be nice to have a reunion. I bug them about it once every couple of weeks until they are sick of hearing from me, I think. See, they have Mike Love out there.  So as long as he is out there celebrating the 60th anniversary or Sounds of Summer, they don't need the rest of us (laughs).  Isn't that ironic?  Thanks Iconic, thanks for having us on your label.  It's a little bit of a...it's a cheat.  But it works for them, it just doesn't work for us.  And let that be a little message to my partners over there.  I mean, our business partners.  I think they should know that.  I think they know they know that, but do they know that I know that? (laughs) Anyways..."

Al seems not to be too happy with Iconic at the moment.

Oof, that is a bummer to see.

Of course this could just be a random grumble on Al's part, but this reminds me a bit of the 'Al guesting/not guesting with Mike & Bruce at Jones Beach' dustup of 2014, where we were clearly missing pieces of the story. I wonder what the conversations that got the BBs to sign with Iconic sounded like? It seems at least possible that Al was teased with reunion scenarios that are now not coming to pass.

That was such a disappointing interview.

Over a year later, no movement on the documentary and we're almost certainly not getting a reunion.

Shame.

I haven’t seen the interview (if someone could post a link please?) but I’m also disappointed with the summary. So much for Azoff and his money magic.

EDIT: Fixed typo.

I think the deal was primarily about the payoff for the guys. That and better catalog management, licensing, etc. They have no ability to make Mike do anything he doesn’t want to do, and he’s certainly not going to do a reunion like the 50th again, for reasons that have been litigated at length. The 60th anniversary wasn’t really the point of the deal, just another potential opportunity.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/beach-boys-al-jardine-sounds-154522728.html

I’m not sure what Al was expecting out of the sale to Iconic.

I think the "near-end of career payout" aspect was a big, big part of it.

I also think it has been clear for many years now that Mike will never stop touring. Only death or severe infirmity will take him off the road. Therefore, it makes sense that Mike probably wouldn't agree to selling to Iconic without being able to keep his tour and license intact.

And yes, the aftermath of the 50th anniversary has always made it seem pretty unlikely that any sort of similar undertaking would take place for the 60th. For a number of years now, I've always felt that the 60th would see a bunch of archival projects and things that don't require a C50-level of commitment and being locked together in the studio and out on the road.

And, as I've said before, while it always remains a little surprising the grand scope of things that these guys all continue to tour and be active to some degree after hitting 80 years old, I never sensed even ten years ago that a 60th anniversary would have the guys in as good a shape vocally (or otherwise). It's one of the reasons the short nature of the C50 tour was such a bummer. The time to continue it was in 2013/14, etc., not a decade later in 2022.

Brian is on tour with Chicago (why?) And The Beach Boys are still playing County fairs.

The touring situation is a mess

Hi everyone, I somewhat want to clarify my comments: I didn’t expect a big 60th tour for all the reasons we’ve gone over here countless times, but hoped (like Al did or does) that there would be a handful of shows or so. I’m a younger fan who wasn’t as into the band when C50 happened, so I’ve been hoping for my last chance to see at least four or five Beach Boys together on stage again. I’ve seen Brian and Al once (and I will again for a second time this year) and Mike and Bruce twice and enjoyed both shows but have constantly hoped for that chance to see them all together. Maybe it was a hopeless dream from the start, but it was my dream.

With my comment on Azoff’s money magic, I also meant that I thought we’d have a really great documentary no later than December, especially with the archives that BRI has (and that users like HeyJude, Howie Edelson, Mark Linett, Alan Boyd, and others have continuously informed us about).

It’s only July!

These are my exact sentiments as well. I knew another 50th would never happen (it was a miracle it happened the first time). But I was expecting something for the 60th. And while I know the Iconic acquisition was more about the catalog, I too was hoping it would spark some reconciliation between all parties.

It's just sad that a band that created the most wonderful music about love, warmth, and comfort, seems to embody polar opposite traits of that. And I'm not saying that every remaining member has solely negative traits. But it just seems that the band itself, the modern name of The Beach Boys is a brittle plastic shell of what it could be.

It's the 60th anniversary of America's Band and what is going on during July 4th weekend? Mike is duetting the "Drink em down down drink em down" song with LoCash in Nashville. The blame is probably scattered, but it is sad a hell nonetheless.

I don't even want to say that the fans deserve better - because this is the most childish music fandom I've ever come across (and I contribute my fair share of the petulance, but the infantile whining/fighting/finger-pointing is scattered all over the forums and social media). But at least for the sake of the future fans, for the sake of the music itself, hell for the country itself, these guys need to come together and do something special. This is a huge milestone, and it seems to just be going to waste - as every good opportunity does with this band.

A documentary is being worked on. There are already some copyright filings for an "Untitled Beach Boys Documentary" jointly from Iconic and Disney.

I think Al mentioned an interview the team doing it. I think we're getting something closer to "Endless Harmony" than "The Beatles Anthology", but we'll have to wait and see.

As far as a reunion for the 60th, the problem with a one-off show, or a short series, is that the greatness of the C50 tour in 2012 was that it wasn't just chance to have the novelty of seeing them all on stage together. A full tour (albeit one that should have lasted longer) allowed them to refine and evolve the show. It was truly not just a novelty with a boring hits setlist. It was the best live Beach Boys since arguably about 1975.

I don't believe that could be pulled off in 2022, and certainly not in the form of one or a few shows. If it's integrated into some sort of "Tribute" show, then that could end up even worse.

No messier than it’s been for 23 of the last 24 years.

That's pretty big news. I had idea Disney we're involved

Nothing wrong with playing county and state fairs. Mike's Beach Boys are always part of the state fair out here, where most acts are charging $80 and above these days. Mike comes through once a year, $30 show, which makes a nice day out for families. By the time you've paid for parking, corn dogs, curly fries and the show, that can easily be over $200.

...a few chilli dogs and man I'm goin' broke!  ;)

Not only Al sounds good, but Mike too.
The French show i attended on 06/24 was great
The Royal Albert show was even better : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLrIROeffvQ
So i could see Al and Matt joining Mike's band in the fall of 2022

The Beach Boys as a touring band seem to be charging along on the 60th anniversary tour, sounding just as great as ever. In my opinion, Mike surprisingly sounds the best he has since C50 or '17 as of late. 2020 and 21 were kinda shaky with Mike's vocals, but this year he once again sounds very strong and on pitch again. Ike is the best 'BW part' singer the band has ever had since BW himself--- with Cowsill and Totten being the best guitarist and drummer since Carl and Dennis left us. Totten and Cowsill both recreate Carl and Dennis' signature parts perfectly, but also have their spirit and energy that was severely lacking with other instrumentalists in the past. In my humble opinion, Christian sounds so much like Carl at some moments it's freaky. He has his own tone, and for most of the show he just sounds like Christian, but there are always moments, whether they be whole songs, or simply syllables, where he channels Carl so well, I'd swear Carl is singing through him. It's kinda a crazy spiritual type of thing to me it's wild. Timmy B is so rock solid on those keys, I don't think I've ever heard him screw up, and while I do miss Meros, he fills his spot as well as anyone could. Randy's playing adds so much--- the sax, harmonica, flute, percussion etc he adds are all elements that were crucial on those respective songs, and his sax solos are outta sight!!!! Keith's bass playing is really solid and you can see he's having a blast onstage, his enthusiasm is contagious.

Love seeing America's Band, The Beach Boys, celebrating 60 years on a great tour, spanning multiple countries, being led by Mike&Bruce in such great form, with such an excellent group of musicians- honestly, one of the best lineups of the band EVER in my opinion. My favorite lineup since the last time the core 6 were together (Knebworth era) and then 5 surviving members w C50.

All things considered, at the end of the day, this is the perfect way to celebrate the 60th to me. The band still gets to travel the world, playing the best music ever made, with the guy who sang & co-wrote the majority of the material, and the 'new guy' who's been around since 65.  It allows Brian to do his own thing, and as we learn now, cancel all future shows, but still receive income from the BBs' shows. The production is now more elaborate and worthy of the legendary band  w/ the video screens, lighting effects, and Totten's precise MusicalDirecting. As far as the world of TheBeachBoys on tour, they're 'still crusin' alright, and sounding just as great as ever.

I don't doubt the authenticity and sincerity of people who enjoy Mike's tour, but this does read like when a company asks employees to write a positive review on GlassDoor, or a business asks customers to write reviews on Yelp. 

Honestly, where all the members are at right now is kind of just the default. Some people dig it, some don't. I don't view it as a triumphant 60th anniversary situation. But I also recognize there's not much else anybody could be doing. Brian's struggling. About the only room to maneuver is to just have Al join Mike's band (or I guess Mike and Bruce join Al and Brian's guys, minus Brian?). And that would honestly kind of feel sort of flaccid compared to a legit reunion. So I dunno.

I think Totten continues to run a tight, oiled machine.

I think all of the guys are having a more challenged time on stage than they did ten years ago.

The ideal situation given the high quality of the 50th in 2012 would have been for *that* lineup to do a few more years of touring, and then for everybody to call it a day in like 2015 or so, and then they could all go back to doing solo gigs and private/corporate gigs if they wanted to stay active. But that obviously didn't and can't happen.

You won't get any disagreement from me.

I personally can’t comment as the only performance I saw recently was the 4th of July show , and…yeah. That said I will check out some of the recent shows online based on the reviews!

I watched the 25th television show recently and really like that format for a band that could do well to have other artists involved ( hopefully above the Stamos, McGrath food chain) a little editing, a high energy crowd, a nice backdrop like Hawaii...December slot...why not?

Beg to differ, but I thought the 25th anniverrssary show was a bit of a sham. Other than when the Boys sang their own songs. But when they supported the other artists you couldn't even tell it was them on BVs. There was a ton of editing done too after the show. Just not my cup of tea.

The McParland/Gary Usher book has a good break down of the 25th Anniversary TV special. That was what Variety/TV Specials were like back then. It’s got some (unintentionally) funny bits. Some of the music bits are okay. It was probably a little less cringy back in 1987 when it aired as compared to now. But I watched it when it aired. It was cheesy back then too. It wasn’t even like A-list status for many of the guests back then. 

It’s been sounding like some sort of tribute show may be in the offing for the 60th. I think as usual the hardcore fans would rather just see the *actual* band perform. How good or awful tribute shows are comes down to who they book. It can go wrong on many fronts.

Dear friends -

I have it on good authority that there will be an expanded and newly remastered edition of Made In Calfornia, to celebrate the 60th anniversary of our band. It's going to be a gorgeous novelty, as exclusive as it gets.

Playing time will be that of 8 CDs. So we may expect a total duration of about 560 minutes.

The format, you ask? Well, thing is: since vinyl is ubiquitous nowadays, and does very well, Universal decided to take a new bold step to honour a popular technology from yesteryear.

The boxed set will hold 80 shellac 12" records, as introduced by RCA-Victor in 1903. These offer about 3 and a half minutes playing time per side. That makes 560 minutes in total. Needless to say that a beautiful replica of a Victrola record player will be included for free. And a case-bound newly written Beach Boys Encyclopedia in 5 luxurious volumes, spanning 2,500 pages.

No details were given to me about price point and shipping costs, I am sorry to say.

_______

Motto: old is the new new, and mining the past is totally hip.

Well, re 25th, I do like me some 80's cheese, especially 80's beach cheese...loud shirts, OP, Vuarnet, Windsurfers...

And, Ray Charles, The Everly Brothers, Glen Campbell, those are solid guests in my book!

Really though, my comment is more that as a format, it would seem like a doable option. Probably right up Joe Thomas' alley, and Irving and Jerry's involvement could bring out some heavy hitters!

And you can control the end product. I've seen some cringe worthy live appearances over the years!

I'm really sad there won't be a 60th tour and I'm really sad we probably won't even see them all on stage together in any meaningful way again

Same.

Just thought about how it’s been 10 years since C50. Amazing how quickly time passes

I think they're just waiting for the 70th anniversary to roll around. Or maybe the guys are saving it up for the 60th anniversary of Pet Sounds. There might even be an anniversary box set to tie in with that date.

There is no need for a 60th anniversary reunion tour.  These guys do not owe us one either.  And despite the way the 50th anniversary reunion fizzled out near the end, it overshadowed the fact that it was still actually a very successful and high profile reunion complete with a great appearance on Jimmy Fallon's show among other appearances.   And it produced an album that was far better than it had any reason to be.  Even if some folks groaned over the production, it still is a better way to conclude the band's studio album career than with Stars & Stripes, Vol. 1 and especially Summer In Paradise.   The potential documentary is more than enough to recognize the band's milestone.

Not trying to derail the thread, but am I really in the minority of people who actually prefer Summer In Paradise to Stars & Stripes, Vol. 1?

I mean, admittedly, I'm not a country music fan, generally speaking. But, even with all the problems of Summer In Paradise, it just pains me to see The Beach Boys being used as a back-up band to mostly second or third rate country artists. The only redeeming quality for me is that the background vocals are stellar as always, and I quite like this version of "Caroline, No."

But, I absolutely agree that That's Why God Made The Radio is far and away a MUCH better ending for the guys than even a new studio album at this point would be. Even if I'd welcome it with open arms.

I'm with you 100% on this.

Agreed on all points. I’d rather listen to SIP on repeat then hear most of S&S again. The former is an awful, zero star album. The latter is even worse, with most of the features being absolutely horrific. It’s so bad that I can’t even score it with a number or letter. I’ll have to reach out into the animal kingdom for help with this one… it scores a negative cockroach .