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Title: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on December 23, 2005, 09:33:33 PM
Please read the previous thread before asking Alan questions:

http://smileysmile.net/documents/alanboydthread.pdf


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on December 30, 2005, 09:09:41 AM
Alan, what's the deal with Drip Drop? Is that a Beach Boys recording or a Brian solo recording?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: dennyfan on January 02, 2006, 02:21:19 PM
Alan, just want to mention that I've just seen Endless Harmony and it's an excellent documentary, although I did scream at the television when Mike said that Heroes and Villains was the last real dynamic Brian Wilson song.  No honorable mention for Breakaway Mike?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 02, 2006, 07:46:08 PM
Alan, continuing from our last discussion,

How many tape boxes are as well notated in terms of the tracks contents as the "This Whole World" tape box was?  I imagine it would vary according to engineer, time period, etc?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on January 04, 2006, 11:37:51 AM
Happy New Year!

Just got back to LA, nice to see the new board!

Let's see now....

DRIP DROP - Not exactly sure when it was recorded, but it certainly sounds like it was recorded at Brother Studio... I'd guess 1976-1977.

There are lots of tape boxes in the archive wiith good documentation - especially when it comes to material generated at Brother Studio, late 70s.  Dennis' solo material is especially well covered.

As for "Endless Harmony," that was sort of a "Beach Boys In Their Own Words" kind of project (you'll notiice there was no narrator on the film).  I thought it was interesting to see how the guys themselves perceive their own career.... Standing within the eye of the hurricane as they are, they may have a very different view of things....

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on January 04, 2006, 11:40:27 AM

DRIP DROP - Not exactly sure when it was recorded, but it certainly sounds like it was recorded at Brother Studio... I'd guess 1976-1977.

Yeah, I've seen two possible dates. Andrew Doe claims 1974, you claim 1976-77. I tend to lean towards 1974...but that's just me.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on January 04, 2006, 12:27:21 PM
Mine is just an educated guess, based on the sound of the recording and the state of Brian's voice on the mix I've heard - Andrew might have some more solid info than I do!

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 06, 2006, 09:27:21 AM
I said 1974 ? Hell, my memory's getting bad. When did I say that ?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on January 06, 2006, 10:39:30 AM
Your website, Andrew. Unreleased tracks page.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SMiLEY on January 06, 2006, 11:28:55 AM
I haven't heard it, but I'm taking it that Brian is in his 'gruff' voice and this is what leads you to the possible dates that are being attributed. Yes?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on January 06, 2006, 12:18:33 PM
Very gruff.

Makes "Love Is A Woman" sound like "Don't Talk" in comparison....

 :D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SurferGirl7 on January 06, 2006, 12:24:37 PM
Well reading the orginal lyrics covered from Dion, it sounds like a lot of fun  :D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cam Mott on January 07, 2006, 07:18:25 AM
Alan,

Is there any dating associated with docs or box of the master for the H&V single?  It would be cool if an aircheck of the fabled direct-from-the-studio first airing could be found.

Thanks,

Cam


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 07, 2006, 08:47:15 AM
Your website, Andrew. Unreleased tracks page.

Damn. I really have to start reading the stuff I write.

OK. Well, I might be leaning towards 1975. Ish.


Title: for Alan Boyd, new BB cd
Post by: Dutchie on January 12, 2006, 02:28:51 AM
hi alan, can you tell a little more about the new bb cd released in spring 2006 ? i know there are live traqcks on it. Can you lift a little bit of the curtain. from whitch period is it and are the 3 new songs new or found in the faults and never released ?

thanks for your time


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 19, 2006, 01:46:38 PM
Alan, I have a question about "Friends" era tapes.  And I suppose 20/20 as well.

At that point, what was the general "track-to-vocal" track ratio?  To your knowledge, was there a lot of bouncing down going on or do most of the the master 8-tracks have all the elements of the final master?

For instance, how many tracks was the instrumental mix of "Be With Me" on Hawthorne spread across?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on January 20, 2006, 11:59:18 AM
Yes.... and yes.

With the eight track masters there was often some track bouncing going on - the basic track would be spread out over several tracks, and then these would be mixed down to two or four tracks, leaving several open for vocals.  On almost all of the eight track recordings, everything is there on the multitrack masters - usually there was no further overdubbing as they mixed down 8 to 2 or 8 to 1.

"Be With Me" is a good example of this.  Here are the documented tracks from the first generation master:

Master
1 - Horn
2 - Horns OD
3 - Flutes
4 - Drums OD
5 - Drums - bass
6 - Picolo
7 - Rhodes
8 - Fife

After this, the song was dubbed dwon, the basic track mixed down to leave room for overdubs and vocals:

Leader - Dubdown 1
1 - brass
2 - brass OD
3 - flute
4 - keyboard rhythm
5 - vocal
6 - vocal
7
8 - strings

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 20, 2006, 12:17:53 PM
Thanks, as always, so much.  I really appreciate the time you take to fill me in on this stuff.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 26, 2006, 12:36:22 PM
Another tape related question:

On a lot of the post Surfer Girl LP/Pre All Summer Long LP stuff, we've got the interesting stereo mixes where the track is dead center, Brian's double-tracked lead is off to one side, and the group vocals are off hard to the other side.

How did they pull this off with 3 or 4 track tape?  Track, Brian, Brian, Group, Group equals five tracks.  At first I figured they did some of it live to the final mix, but then how would they do the stereo mix with all the correct vocal doubles? 

Some examples would be Warmth of the Sun or Don't Worry Baby.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on January 27, 2006, 05:02:36 AM
Are you sure Brian's leads are doubled in these examples? (at the moment I'm just too lazy to check).  I always thought Bri's lead on "DWB" was single-tracked, and he sang a falsetto part with the group on the other track.  The stabs of lead guitar were recorded along with one of the vocal tracks, if I remember right.  And the first track has the band's basic track.  So three tracks total.  IF I remember right. 

Not sure about "WOTS".  Now, they may have done some pre-mixes to a "second generation" multi-track...they were definitely doing a lot of that by the time of the "Today!" album.

C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on January 27, 2006, 07:24:57 AM
Are you sure Brian's leads are doubled in these examples? (at the moment I'm just too lazy to check).  I always thought Bri's lead on "DWB" was single-tracked, and he sang a falsetto part with the group on the other track.  The stabs of lead guitar were recorded along with one of the vocal tracks, if I remember right.  And the first track has the band's basic track.  So three tracks total.  IF I remember right. 

Not sure about "WOTS".  Now, they may have done some pre-mixes to a "second generation" multi-track...they were definitely doing a lot of that by the time of the "Today!" album.

C-Man


I think Brian doubled everything vocally, starting with Surfin'USA(single) and ending with the abandoned Smile-session. I think after that he didn't double very much.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 27, 2006, 12:17:07 PM
I would say I'm 99.6547% certain Brian's double tracked on DWB.  That or somebody is singing along with him.  There're too many sloppy sibilants and not exact synchronization of initial consonants to be a single lead vocalist.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on January 27, 2006, 05:18:06 PM
I think "She Knows Me Too Well" is single-tracked...Brian' lead, that is..

C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 27, 2006, 05:59:30 PM
Yes, it is.  Certainly a bit of a rarity for that time, but you'd think necessary as well...yet there are definitely 5 discrete sources of audio on the earlier tracks like I mentioned.  I really do wonder how this was pulled off.  Is it possible that there are two different doubles of either the lead or the backing vocals?  One done live to the final mono mix, one done live to the final stereo mix?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on January 27, 2006, 07:20:21 PM
Unfortunately, on some of those songs - DWB, Warmth of the Sun - the original 3 track masters and basic session tapes are long gone, and it's impossible to tell just how Brian organized those.

But for the most part, the final three track masters were NOT first generation.  Brian was doing a lot of "ping-ponging," dubbing three tracks down to two, adding another part, and then mixing those three tracks to two, and so on.  That's how a 3 track master like PLEASE LET ME WONDER will end up with a doubled lead vocal on one, doubled group vocals on two, and the mono track on three.

Sometiimes, but not always, parts would be added during the final dubdown to mono.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 27, 2006, 07:50:50 PM
I think I remembered hearing that DWB and W of the S were lost.  Too bad.  That makes sense...maybe Brian would have recorded the track, his lead and the group, then doubled the group, mixed tracks 3 and 4 down to one track on a new tape, then he'd have a free track for the doubled lead.

I don't know why I didn't think of that.

Probably too much home recording on my computer where, if I had the processing power (which believe me, I don't...), I could have an infinite number of tracks.  With my ancient technology, it's more like...one track.


Title: Recording of "Today!" Album
Post by: c-man on January 28, 2006, 08:44:23 AM
Alan, if you haven't already, please check out my essay on the recording of the "Today!" album, where I listened to all available sources (available to me, that is) and see if you agree on what I came up with.  I welcome any corrections or comments from your perspective.

www.beachboysarchives.com


Title: Unknown Western Engineer
Post by: c-man on January 28, 2006, 08:50:05 AM
Oh and Alan, while you're at it...do you happen to know the identity of the man who engineered the vocal session for "In The Back Of My Mind"?  He has a very distinctive voice...he also pops up on a few other sessions, like "Ballad Of Ole Betsy" and I think "I Do".  It's definitely not Chuck Britz.  I identify him simply as "Unknown Western Engineer" in my writings.

Thanks a lot,
C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 28, 2006, 12:30:30 PM
Craig, have you investigated the possibility of that voice belonging to H Bowen David?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on January 28, 2006, 12:51:19 PM
Yep...a few years ago, I got in contact with Mr. David's daughter, who was kind enough to send me a photocopy of a United/Western newsletter from 1967 or so with a photo of her dad!

I sent her a CD with excerpts from a few sessions, including those, so she could ID her dad's voice.  She recognized him right away on the "organ bridge" Good Vibrations session from September '66, but indicated that the "mystery man" engineer was not Bo.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on January 28, 2006, 01:50:21 PM
Wow, you truly are the (c-)man.  That's neat that you were able to do that.

How many different Engineers have you identified now?  Britz, David, Levine, Botnick...what about Lanky Linstrott, Cal Harris, did Jimmy Lockert's voice ever actually appear on a Beach Boys tape?  Not much by way of talkback going on in what we have of the sessions Jim co-ordinated.

I know it's not his voice that's a mystery Craig, but have you been able to find anything out about Ralph Balantin?  I've turned up zero for him, despite the fact that he engineered what might be considered the Boys best vocal work...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on January 28, 2006, 05:44:38 PM
Wow...who's Lanky?  Must've missed that one!

Desper's voice turns up in a couple of places.  Maybe Lockert's.

Is that Balantin in the 1966 control room pics (short balding guy with the short-sleeved shirt & tie, and black frame glasses)?  Like in the "Pet Sounds" box booklet (the long one) and 1996 EQ cover story?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 28, 2006, 06:28:14 PM
Wow...who's Lanky?  Must've missed that one!

Desper's voice turns up in a couple of places.  Maybe Lockert's.

Is that Balantin in the 1966 control room pics (short balding guy with the short-sleeved shirt & tie, and black frame glasses)?  Like in the "Pet Sounds" box booklet (the long one) and 1996 EQ cover story?

The man with the glasses is United/Western engineer Winston Wong, and I think he was often in the role some would call the "assistant" (which explains him sitting behind Britz in that photo). I have another photo of him in yet another Western newsletter as he's setting up a microphone for a session - another assistant role.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 28, 2006, 06:30:39 PM
I just thought of something...are you talking about the *other* control room shot at (what looks like) Columbia, with yet another guy in a white short-sleeve shirt? The guy with Britz is definitely Winston Wong - the other guy at Columbia, I don't know.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 28, 2006, 06:42:23 PM
Speaking of mystery engineers - I'd like to bring back a question/discussion that has probably since been lost in the old Smile Shop board archives.

I thought this mystery engineer voice might have been a man named Jerry Ferree, who at the time of this session was the chief engineer at United/Western. Yet I'm not certain "In The Cantina" was tracked at Western...This is from one of Brian and Van Dyke's "In The Cantina" piano sessions, and it went down something like this as Brian was trying to track his piano part:

Brian: How does this sound?
Engineer: I don't like that. There's uh, there's no, no presence at all. That's not for recording.
Van Dyke: Let me go listen.
Brian: What do you mean, it's not...hey, man?
Engineer: You got more of one end of the piano than you do the other end of the piano, man!
Brian: (garbled)...here.
Engineer: Just put it over the center, up a little higher if you want to.
Brian: Hey Jerry, man, listen, you know, maybe I want some kind of (garbled) there, man!
Engineer: (overlaps Brian) Yeah, but I'm tellin' you it don't sound good.
Anonymous: You're listening to it out there...
Brian: Van? Van, would you play the thing I was doing?
Engineer: Yeah, well, that's right, but you don't...
Van: ...which isn't gonna...
Brian: Second, let's just...
Anonymous: Bruce, coffee.
Engineer: Take 12.


What a fun clip. Ring a bell? Does anyone have a record of who engineered that session and had the back-and-forth with Brian about the piano sound?




Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on January 28, 2006, 06:46:29 PM
Yep, I remember that session (well, I mean I remember the tape of that session...of course, I wasn't there!), and I've wondered who that Jerry is, too.

And yes, I was referring to the "other" (Columbia) control room shot, featured in color in the long box set booklet and also in EQ.  I suspect that's Mr. Ballatin.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cam Mott on January 28, 2006, 08:57:06 PM
Isn't "Jerry" called out and heard on some vocal session too?  I've had the impression he must have been a Columbia engineer but maybe I had a wrong impression.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on January 29, 2006, 06:43:47 PM
Inside Pop: Scene Descriptions, and The Hunt For The Reels (http://smileysmile.net/documents/insidepopouttakereals.pdf)

Durrie Parks' Acetates (http://smileysmile.net/documents/durrieparksacetates.pdf)

Any new news on either of these?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 30, 2006, 03:50:55 AM
Nope, but that would be a fine name for a Smile cover band.  ;)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Mark A. Moore on February 07, 2006, 12:34:48 PM
Wow...who's Lanky?  Must've missed that one!


Lanky Linstrot tag-teamed many of the Jan & Dean sessions with Bones Howe . . . that is, from an engineering standpoint. Chuck Britz also did some engineering for J&D (as did others) . . . but mostly it was Bones & Lanky.

M.



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 08, 2006, 12:21:59 PM
Alan, on another thread you mention:

Quote
On the track sheets for the 2" masters for Til I Die and Fallin' In Love, there's a listing for "RHYTHM KING"

And in doing so opened up a small can of worms, because I'd like to know the entire contents of the track sheet for "'Til I Die" if you have extra time that you're not sure how to spend.  I promise I won't ask you the contents of every track sheet in the Beach Boys catalog.

I think the Til I Die one would be an interesting companion to the Desper Mix on the soundtrack to your fantastic film, since there's so much exposed in that mix.



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 08, 2006, 02:34:22 PM
Here ya go:

TIL I DIE:
1 - Rythm King
2 - Lo vox
3 - bass
4 - RMI
5 - Organ
6 - Organ
7 - Gtr/drm
8 - Vox (different lyrics)
9 - Hi vox/vibes
10 - vibes
11 - bkg vox
12 - bkg vox
13 - more vox
14 - ore vox
15 - org/vox
16 - org/vox

Looks like this one had some dubdowns on the way to the final 16 track master.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 08, 2006, 02:42:51 PM
RMI ?

Wot dat ?

Really marvellous instrumental ?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 08, 2006, 02:44:19 PM
You're the best.  That also clears up a question I've had in the back of my mind about the electric harpsichord used in some songs of that era.  RMI electra-piano, it was!

Interesting how many shared tracks there are.  Must have been a tricky mixdown.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 08, 2006, 02:45:11 PM
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/chagrinfallsebay/2-2-06/Dsc01965.jpg)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: LaurieBiagini on February 08, 2006, 03:17:16 PM
Cool! (love lookin' at vintage keyboards)  :D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 08, 2006, 03:57:45 PM
On SUNFLOWER the 16 track masters had so much shared information - snatches of vocals on a track that's mostly guitar, for instance - that Steve placed swatches of colored adhesive tape on the back of the 2" tape, in order to provide visual cues for the mixdown.  Mixdown automation was still years away, so all eyes would be on the 2" machine, and they'd see a red rectangle coming off the reel and heading towards the machine heads, and this would be a cue for a particular fader adjustment or a level change, etc.... Pretty resourceful, eh? 

The only drawback is the fact that after 30 years, the adhesive from the masking tape has "bled out" and caused massive dropouts, big clear sections on the tape where the oxide has come in contact with the adhesive tape and peeled right off.  Thankfully, these huge, rather scary-looking droupouts aren't as noticeable as one might imagine.  The A capella mix of "Add Some Music" came out OK despite this problem.

Those songs are so very rich sonically that some of them might have filled 48 tracks if not for all of the dubdowns and shared tracks.  Steve and The Beach Boys were way ahead of their time.  Honestly, I noticed this when I got the "Sunflower" LP when it was released in 1970 - and I was only 8 at the time!  I listened to that album with headphones the day I got it, and even then I could tell it was something very new and special.  I'd never experienced an audio "landscape" like that.  I suppose, in a way, I've spent a good portion of my life since then trying to figure out how they did it...

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 08, 2006, 04:15:17 PM
I don't know if anybody has caught up with what was done on Sunflower and Surf's Up.  I can't think of any modern record that has the depth of those recordings and mixes.  I'm trying to catch up, and Steve has been so helpful in explaining how to make recordings better.  But it's still a battle (particularly with my undesirable recording set-up which limits me to somewhere between 4-12 tracks, depending on how my hard drive is feeling that day) and always an inspiration.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on February 08, 2006, 08:01:21 PM
RMI ?

Wot dat ?

Really marvellous instrumental ?


Rocky Mount Instruments, Inc.

They did other instruments besides the one shown in that photo - I have a somewhat rare demonstration LP record from RMI where they play  through the sounds and features of their "Harmonic Synthesizer" and "Keyboard Computer". The unusual feature on these was they were controlled by a punch card system, like banks and offices everywhere used for years on those primitive computers. To program the sounds into the "computer", you had a series of punch cards to insert into this keyboard, with each card hloding different instruments and sounds which you'd use to build your own. And there was a bank of pedals for pitch bends, and other modulation effects and controls.

RMI had offices in Pennsylvania, sales offices in Macungie to be exact. "Chris D" for one should be familiar with Macungie, PA. So I'm happy to have found this album in Pennsylvania, with some very interesting (and useable) sounds that are pretty desirable today in some music circles. I seriously doubt you'd find a working example of the RMI "Keyboard Computer" with enough of those punch cards to have it work 100% with access to all the sounds, so albums like these are a great resource for samplers and sound designers.

I'm going to check if any famous albums or tunes used one of these punch card synths...

As far as the RMI rig shown in the photo - I'm more of a Wurlitzer, Clavinet, and Pianet kind of guy.  Cool sound, though! ;)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bean Bag on February 09, 2006, 06:41:08 PM
I'd never experienced an audio "landscape" like that.

Perfect.  Well said.

Yeah, its dense...I always get the feeling it's a juggling act with so many overdubs like that.  I mean sonically you're really treading water when things start to pile on like that....which makes me think they HAD to have had that all planned from the get go.  Otherwise it would have been a pile.  You know?

All I Wanna Do, especially...it teeters on the edge of that big time...which lends it it's otherworldly vib.  It's soooo frickin' amazing...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 10, 2006, 11:19:45 AM
What's even more remarkable about that song is the fact that ALL I WANNA DO, unlike much of the album, was done entirely 8 track (it had been produced for the unreleased "Last Capitol Album" in 1969).  Interesting note:  for that song, the documentation from the original recording session at Gold Star on 3/19 1969 states the song was produced by Carl Wilson....

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on February 10, 2006, 06:10:20 PM
<< I'm going to check if any famous albums or tunes used one of these punch card synths... >>

Seems to me there was a Todd Rundgren album...can't remember which one, but it was from either 1974 or 1975...that had a credit on the inner sleeve for "keyboard computer".  I think.  Maybe it was "Intuition" or something like that?

Here's a very cool website...Simon's Hall of Electric Pianos...

http://www.alphabeck.co.uk/hoep/epianos2.html


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 11, 2006, 12:34:31 PM
Quote
What's even more remarkable about that song is the fact that ALL I WANNA DO, unlike much of the album, was done entirely 8 track (it had been produced for the unreleased "Last Capitol Album" in 1969).  Interesting note:  for that song, the documentation from the original recording session at Gold Star on 3/19 1969 states the song was produced by Carl Wilson....

Oh wow...so is there any documentation as to what was done at Gold Star on All I Wanna Do and what was done at the house?  Or did any of the Gold Star session make it to the final release at all?  It certainly sounds pretty "housey" to me.

Such a fascinating period, the post 20/20 sessions.  It's really hard to keep track of what was happening when and where.  Like Dennis cutting the Slip on Through version 1 at Gold Star, then again, anew at the house.  Until I found out that was a seperate session, I thought that had been started at Gold Star and finished off at the house.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on February 11, 2006, 12:36:41 PM
Alan, what is the status of demos in the Beach Boys' tape vault? Are there a lot?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on February 14, 2006, 08:46:45 AM
I'm not surprized that Carl produced All  I Want to Do - it's my understanding that Carl and Dennis produced ALL of the tracks on Sunflower with the exception of Add Some Music, which was the sole track Brian produced from start to finish.  Does this jibe with what you've uncovered, Alan?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: king of anglia on February 14, 2006, 09:48:08 AM
Whoa whoa whoa. Are we talking about the rockin' "All I Want To Do" or the gorgeous peaceful "All I Wanna Do"?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 14, 2006, 10:23:10 AM
Wanna.  Shame on the Beach Boys for calling two songs virtually the same thing.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Reverend Joshua Sloane on February 14, 2006, 05:53:29 PM
I remember Steve Desper talking about he and Brian working on All I Wanna Do and trying to achieve what Brian had in mind.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on February 15, 2006, 05:17:03 AM
I'm not surprized that Carl produced All  I Want to Do - it's my understanding that Carl and Dennis produced ALL of the tracks on Sunflower with the exception of Add Some Music, which was the sole track Brian produced from start to finish.  Does this jibe with what you've uncovered, Alan?

I believe Bruce produced "Deirdre" and "Tears In The Morning".

C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 15, 2006, 06:30:16 AM
You really need to get a hold of Steve Desper's book - yes, it's short, yes, in parts it's fearsomely technical... and yes, it's an invaluable additon to the bookshelf of anyone who consideres themselves a BB fan. Do not pass Go... do not collect $200... buy this book.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SMiLEY on February 15, 2006, 08:57:19 AM
Seconded!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on February 16, 2006, 03:34:51 PM
Alan, can you tell us anything about the "Spanish guitar" sounding instrumental piece that has been linked to the Smile era?  Is this tape still in the Beach Boys archive?  Anything on the tape box that would indicate a date or what the piece was intended for?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 16, 2006, 07:15:28 PM
Alan, I made a post about this, and it was suggested I ask you.
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    Question about audio on Knebworth DVD
« on: Today at 09:40:45 AM »
   
What the hell is up with Mike's voice? It sounded electronically processed. Was a pitch correction unit used, because at parts I kept getting flashbacks of Cher's "Believe".
Seriously, Mike's vocals on the Knebworth DVD sound very unnatural.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on February 17, 2006, 11:24:54 AM
Alan, can you tell us anything about the "Spanish guitar" sounding instrumental piece that has been linked to the Smile era?  Is this tape still in the Beach Boys archive?  Anything on the tape box that would indicate a date or what the piece was intended for?


Damn good question! Hopefully Alan knows what were talking about. It's an organ piece with a flamenco-ish guitar strummed over top.



Also, Alan, we were discussing who played what instrument on the Love You album and on what songs did Brian play all or most of the instruments. Is that sort of information available in the archives?





Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SMiLEY on February 17, 2006, 08:32:24 PM
Alan, can you tell us anything about the "Spanish guitar" sounding instrumental piece that has been linked to the Smile era?  Is this tape still in the Beach Boys archive?  Anything on the tape box that would indicate a date or what the piece was intended for?


This is a very good question. There a other leftover SMiLE bits that could use some scrutiny -- such as Carl's Tones, Dennis' experiments, the Vegetables outro, He Gives Speeches, etc.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on February 18, 2006, 05:31:42 AM


This is a very good question. There a other leftover SMiLE bits that could use some scrutiny -- such as Carl's Tones, Dennis' experiments, the Vegetables outro, He Gives Speeches, etc.
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One thing about "SMiLE"...there was way too much material recorded during that "era" for one 40-minute LP.  The 2004 version clocks in at some 47 minutes. so we're probably getting more than we would've gotten in '67.  Lots of stuff would've by necessity fallen on the cutting-room floor ("He Gives Speeches" for one, I'm sure).  And the Carl and Dennis stuff was, of course, their own experimentation (possibly Brother Records related), not intended at all for "SMiLE".  But would be interesting to hear, nonetheless.  Dennis' "I Don't Know" (surely a working title) is supposedly making the rounds, but since it's an instrumental, can anyone verify that it is the real thing?  It sounds breezy, light and pleasant (like many a mid-'60s pop instrumental...think Sergio Mendez & Brazil '66), but not profound.

C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SMiLEY on February 18, 2006, 10:51:15 AM
I guess I should have said "SMiLE-era bits" but the question still stands. You can throw Teeter Totter Love into that query as well.

But, I'm particularly interested in the Vegetables outro. The way Brian sings the Barnyard Billy section in IJWMFTT fits it almost like a glove! I've always had a feeling that the two went together. Just speculating, but if Alan was to sing it along with that section, I think he'd see what I'm talking about.  ;D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on February 21, 2006, 12:25:46 PM
Hi Alan,
do you have some infos about some 15 Big Ones-outtakes? On a Radio-broadcast (plus interview with Carl) before the album was released they played a different, and imho, much better version of "Rock'n'Roll music". At the beginning of that interview you could also hear a studio recording of Carl singing a song that wasn't on this album. In fact I have a feeling that the best recordings were left off of the album. "Shake rattle and roll" for example. Did you find anything good? Maybe that version of "Rock'n'Roll music" ?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 21, 2006, 02:09:04 PM
That was the singler version of RNRM, and is available on the 3rd Greatest hits volume put out by C(r)apitol "The Best of the Brother Years".


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 21, 2006, 02:12:20 PM
Haven't come across any 15 BIG ONES outtakes wiith a Carl lead vocal, but then again I haven't heard all of the outtakes yet... Shake Rattle and Roll is pretty good - Al really likes that one, too... Running Bear is interesting and fun in a "Peggy Sue Meets Shortenin' Bread" kinda way, and might bring a new dimension to the phrase "politically incorrect"...  We do have an OK copy of that earlier, longer mix of Rock and Roll Music with the funky organ part in the line that was eventually cut ("so keep-a rockin' the piano....") that we got from an outside source, haven't yet found it on any of the 1/4" reels here...

Incidentally, we found another version of Sea Cruise, recorded by Dennis, circa 1971.  Not quite finished but a lot of fun.

Alan

(By the way, I haven'tg yet come across the "Spanish Guitar" track amongst the Smile tapes, but then again, we haven't listened to all of those yet either)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on February 21, 2006, 02:38:18 PM
That was the singler version of RNRM, and is available on the 3rd Greatest hits volume put out by C(r)apitol "The Best of the Brother Years".

No, he's talking about a completely different mix, with "wild" guitars and an extra verse (see Alan's response above).  There's an inferior (yet fun to listen to) copy of that radio broadcast in circulation.
According to Elliott, this alternate (earlier) mix was Brian's, wheareas the released version was mixed by Carl.  Yes, the single mix is different still.

C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on February 21, 2006, 02:41:02 PM
That was the singler version of RNRM, and is available on the 3rd Greatest hits volume put out by C(r)apitol "The Best of the Brother Years".

No, he's talking about a completely different mix, with "wild" guitars and an extra verse (see Alan's response above).  There's an inferior (yet fun to listen to) copy of that radio broadcast in circulation.

C-Man

Yep !  ;)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 21, 2006, 02:52:56 PM
Wow...now THAT sounds interesting!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 21, 2006, 05:58:08 PM
As for the LOVE YOU question above, the track sheets only indicate what the instruments are for those songs - not who's playing, unfortunately.

But I CAN tell you the backing vox on HONKIN' DOWN THE HIGHWAY are Brian, Dennis and Billy....

And the backing vocals on LET'S PUT OUR HEARTS TOGETHER are : D - M - A - B.  Dennis, Marilyn, Alan & Brian, perhaps?

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on February 22, 2006, 09:22:48 AM
A 1971 Sea Cruise?  That's interesting - I thought the version released on Ten Years of Harmony was from 1976/a 15 Big Ones oldie outtake, produced by Brian.  Is this version produced by Dennis or Brian?  Was it a Dennis solo LP outtake, or meant for the Beach Boys (I guess Carl and the Passions?).


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 22, 2006, 12:41:10 PM
Alan, just thought I'd repost this in case you missed it.  If you didn't miss it, sorry to pester.


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What's even more remarkable about that song is the fact that ALL I WANNA DO, unlike much of the album, was done entirely 8 track (it had been produced for the unreleased "Last Capitol Album" in 1969).  Interesting note:  for that song, the documentation from the original recording session at Gold Star on 3/19 1969 states the song was produced by Carl Wilson....

Oh wow...so is there any documentation as to what was done at Gold Star on All I Wanna Do and what was done at the house?  Or did any of the Gold Star session make it to the final release at all?  It certainly sounds pretty "housey" to me.

Such a fascinating period, the post 20/20 sessions.  It's really hard to keep track of what was happening when and where.  Like Dennis cutting the Slip on Through version 1 at Gold Star, then again, anew at the house.  Until I found out that was a seperate session, I thought that had been started at Gold Star and finished off at the house.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 22, 2006, 12:59:26 PM
Unfortunately, the documentation for ALL I WANNA DO doesn't indicate which tracks may have been added at the home studio.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 22, 2006, 01:04:33 PM
OK, thanks.  Listening to it again, thinking about how I would go about pulling that mix off from eight tracks really gave me a new appreciation for the mix.  I think it's kind of deceptively dense.  After the intro, really it's basically bass driven, with the light weird-sounding drumming.  Then later the distorted guitar line or possibly moog line comes in.  Everything else is filled out by the dense group vocals.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 22, 2006, 01:05:46 PM
The 1971 recording of SEA CRUISE seems to be a Dennis solo track, more like a rough jam session.  Dennis is obviously winging it - he doesn't really know all the words.  The version cut for 15 BIG ONES was an entirely new recording.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 22, 2006, 01:21:43 PM
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he doesn't really know all the words.

I'm not sure that's a bad thing.  What a funny song.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on February 22, 2006, 04:03:59 PM
Alan, you mentioned in an earlier post that in your research you found a considerable number of work tapes. What kind of material was on these tapes?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: DJF on February 22, 2006, 04:42:06 PM
Hey Alan,

Sounds like you are having a great time getting to listen to and investigate so many great things.  I hope that someday much of this will see the light of day in some form or other.  Much of it must be great just from a curiosity standpoint and I can imagine many of us would willingly spend hours of our time to hear it.  What a way to make a living LOL ;)

Was just playing your CD the other day and really enjoying that as well.  If I ever get down your way again, do I really need an excuse?, I'll let you know.  Thanks for sharing so much information on this and the other boards.

Dave Fluker


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 22, 2006, 05:08:53 PM
Hey Gilroy Dave!

Sure thing - lemme know when you feel like trading garlic for smog!

In terms of work tapes - from the 1970s especially there are lots of original session tapes, where you can hear the group working on songs, take after take in some cases.  We've recently been preserving and transferring lots of SUNFLOWER-era reels, tracking sessions on songs like This Whole World, Raspberries & Strawberries/At My Window, Forever, Susie Cincinatti, etc. 

For material from the late 70s there are also quite a few work tapes of rough mixes, and works-in-progress.  We've barely scratched the surface there in terms of transferring and making safety masters of these....



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 22, 2006, 05:11:30 PM
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We've recently been preserving and transferring lots of SUNFLOWER-era reels, tracking sessions on songs like This Whole World, Raspberries & Strawberries/At My Window, Forever, Susie Cincinatti, etc.

That is perhaps the best and most heartening news I've ever heard.  And tantalizing.  Fantastic.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Mitchell on February 22, 2006, 08:40:05 PM
Nice!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on February 23, 2006, 07:48:08 AM
Alan, if BRI decides they would like someone to create a vast online library of all the tapes you are preserving, be sure to let me know.   :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: DJF on February 23, 2006, 09:11:31 AM
Hey Alan!

I'll let you know when I have my next road trip scheduled since I will be coming your way!  Garlic, smog, it's all good :D

Boy, wouldn't it be nice in a few years if the archival material or some of it was available online.  I bet there is just so much great stuff to listen to , you must just enjoy working on that. 

Dave Fluker


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on February 24, 2006, 05:04:11 AM
Hi Alan,

do you know if the tapes for the "In concert"-album are complete? I ak because after looking through Eric's great(!!!) setlist-site I came across this: http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/8-73.html
I guess if some songs from this concert were recorded, there may have been some other, and this raises the questin if a live soundboard-recording of the Boys doing "River Song" exists....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on February 24, 2006, 05:15:39 AM
I read they also recorded a 1973 concert with Brian guesting on a few songs for IN CONCERT. Is there something in the vaults, Alan? And do you know if any of the 1970 appearances with Brian were recorded? Thanks!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on February 24, 2006, 07:47:12 AM
Yeah, forgot about that one. I think you said, Jasper, that Bruce was also guesting on that concert. So there we had 8 Beach Boys on stage. That must've been a show with great, great vocals (okay maybe not greater but fuller as normal)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 24, 2006, 09:49:26 AM
There are approximately 8 billion reels of concert tapes recorded during the 1972-1973 tours..... at least, that's what it seemed like listing them all.  There are tapes with RIVER SONG listed, but we haven't gotten around to those yet.  There is tape of a show in Hollywood that Brian is supposed to have guested at (not the one where the group played DAY IN THE LIFE OF A TREE, sadly).  Nothing from 1970, though.

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rockard on February 25, 2006, 04:36:33 AM

Wow! Incredible news!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on February 26, 2006, 12:56:44 AM
Well...half-incredible news! As a hyper-fanatic Brian Wilson nut I was quietly hoping that at least one of those 1970 gigs would exist on tape (in acceptable sound quality)... Great to know that so many tapes of the best BB touring years are around.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 26, 2006, 12:31:12 PM
Alan, one more little question about "All I Wanna Do," is there any indication as to what is responsible for the mechanical sounding percussion that goes throughout the track?  It doesn't sound like the Rhythm King, but I'm fairly certain it's not produced directly by a human, because when I drag a copy of the song one bar over, the beat syncs up perfectly for the rest of the song with absolutely no variation. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 26, 2006, 02:30:06 PM
Hmmmm.... hard to say....


1st generation
1 - left drums
2 - guitar
3 - Right drums
4 - piano
5 - bass
6 - Roxi
7 - Doubled Roxi
8 - Out of Tune Roxi

2nd generation ?
1 - L Stereo
2 - Fuzz
3 - R stereo
4 - Mike
5 - L OD stereo
6 - Double BG (gtar - trump - Ztar and Ztar OD crossed off)
7 - Right OD stereo
8 - Du Duits










Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 26, 2006, 02:36:45 PM
You didn't have to list all that!  I've been trying to limit making you do that.  You could have just said "no."  But I'm glad you didn't.   :)  Thanks. 

Roxi?  Three of these Roxis, as well, doubled and out of tune.  I'm guessing that "left drums" and "right drums" are the tom fill in the beginning...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on February 26, 2006, 03:13:55 PM
Hey Alan, glad to see you still haunt this board. I hate when LIFE sticks it's ass in to my BB time.

Anyway, two quickies.

1.) Is there a tune called Boys & Girls writtenby Brian for KTSA in the vaults.

AND.....

2.) Since the LAST CAPITOL ALBUM reel says saftey copy on it, was a copy sent to Capitol? The reason I ask is that if Cotonfields and The Lord's Prayer are DUOPHONIC, wouldn't that have been done by Cap and not at Brother Studios?

Thanks,

Bob Flory


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 26, 2006, 06:04:41 PM
There is indeed a basic track (no vocals) for BOYS & GIRLS, and I think it's pretty killer.  Very upbeat, nice changes.... just the kind of thing we were hoping Brian would come up with back in '79.  I included that track amongst the unreleased goodies we officially presented at Susan Lang's "Busy Doin' Something" gathering back in 2003.

I don't know if Capitol ever received the LAST CAPITOL ALBUM from The Beach Boys.  The Beach Boys still have the original master - or what's left of it (several tracks were snagged from that reel for inclusion on master reels for SUNFLOWER and THE SECOND WARNER BROTHERS ALBUM).  I have no idea how or where (or why) those duophonic remasters were done, to tell the truth.

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on February 26, 2006, 08:24:09 PM
Thanks Alan for the info.

I may have asked you this in the past so please forgive the repeat.

In an interview done in San Francisco in Dec. 1981 (when the BB were playing the Circle Theatre), Brian said that the group has cut Sweetie with Alan, Mike and Brian singing a combined lead. He goes into great detail on this and even talked of the key of the song (B).

Was this found in the vaults.

Also, the version of GV on the Rarities LP of 1983 came from The Best Summers Of Our Lives 1/4 track reels sent to radio stations. As of 2000 (the last time I checked) that mix had not turned up in the vault. Has it since been found?

Thanks again,

Bob


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 26, 2006, 09:56:37 PM
Hi Bob,

1.  Yes. 

2.  Haven't located this... but we do have the 1/4" master of that radio show.

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on February 27, 2006, 02:45:07 AM
Question for Alan Boyd, or anyone who remembers the post to which I'm about to refer.
On a 'Poops / Hubba Hubba' thread a while back, Alan wound up making a post that roughly detailed when the following tunes were tracked, plus some accompanying info. I'd just like to have my memory refreshed on that, if it's no bother.

They were:
- 'I'm Going Your Way / California Slide'
- 'It's A New Day'

Any info on when the tune 'Hard Times' was done would be groovy, too.
And 'Carry Me Home'? I always assumed, supposedly being the first piece of studio work Blondie and Ricky took part in, that this would have been cut in the latter part of '71. Someone else once alluded to knowing - without doubt - that it was done sometime early in '72. But I'm the distrustful, hunch-following type. Anyone know fer sure?

Ta,
xxmoixx


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on February 27, 2006, 04:48:34 AM
Any info on when the tune 'Hard Times' was done would be groovy, too.
And 'Carry Me Home'? I always assumed, supposedly being the first piece of studio work Blondie and Ricky took part in, that this would have been cut in the latter part of '71. Someone else once alluded to knowing - without doubt - that it was done sometime early in '72. But I'm the distrustful, hunch-following type. Anyone know fer sure?

Ta,
xxmoixx

"Carry Me Home" is a "Holland" outtake, written by Dennis (and maybe Gregg Jakobsen).

C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jeff Mason on February 27, 2006, 08:55:20 AM
Alan, can you comment on this?

http://www.musictap.net/Archives/Posts/Posts06/ArchivalPosts2006Feb01218.html#021706

Scroll to the very bottom.  This is the first semiofficial word of looks like it might be the long-awaited-and-hoped-for GV sessions set.  Can you give us any scoop, or are your hands tied?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Mitchell on February 27, 2006, 09:11:02 AM
"Capitol will push The Beach Boys' Good Vibrations - 40th Anniversary from April 18 to the new perch of August 15."


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on February 27, 2006, 02:42:48 PM
It could also be a 40th anniversary-branded hits anthology.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ken.W on February 27, 2006, 03:33:16 PM
.. can't see that myself


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 27, 2006, 03:48:14 PM
Maybe someone got "GV" confussed with a certain 1966 LP.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on February 27, 2006, 04:33:24 PM
It's marking the aniversary of the release of GV? Is it the long awaited GV box we were hoping for in 1997?

Nah.............we couldn't get that lucky.

Bob


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: GoofyJeff on February 27, 2006, 04:58:15 PM
I'm still waiting for the Rarities set promised in 1994 (see the 30 Years box set liners)...

oh and the SMiLE set that keeps getting promised.  Remember "The Smile Era" that was to have come out in the mid 90s I think?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on February 27, 2006, 05:02:09 PM
Word on the street is that Brian is letting his version stand as the finished SMILE project and does not want any of the outtakes released as a set.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jeff Mason on February 27, 2006, 05:37:27 PM
It could also be a 40th anniversary-branded hits anthology.

40th anniversary of what though?  Why make a GH in honor of one song?  Especially given that the project has been proposed for going on 10 years now?
Maybe someone got "GV" confussed with a certain 1966 LP.

I could actually see that, esp. since there is supposedly a 40th anniversary of PS due out according to rumors.  But we can hope for the other one...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on February 27, 2006, 09:46:37 PM
"Capitol will push The Beach Boys' Good Vibrations - 40th Anniversary from April 18 to the new perch of August 15."

Maybe it's a re-release of the 30 years GV boxset with 2 new unreleased tracks, so we all have to buy it again! :D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: buddhahat on February 28, 2006, 04:42:24 AM
Word on the street is that Brian is letting his version stand as the finished SMILE project and does not want any of the outtakes released as a set.

Is this since David Leaf announced (with Brian present) that a Smile sessions box was likely in the coming year or two? I am really hoping that this Smile box is going to turn up in 40th anniversary style in 2007 (I don't know when the exact 40th anniversary would be though - perhaps the missed January 67 release date would be the least arbitary choice). If Brian doesn't want it out then you have to respect that but it would be a downer to say the least.

Alan - this must be a question you get tired of but what are your thoughts on the likelihood of a Smile box in the near future? Thanks


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 28, 2006, 10:47:29 AM
Alan, over on the thread about the "best mono Pet Sounds" we've been discussing exactly what's going on with the "missing elements" issue.  IE Brian's Bridge vocal on Wouldn't It Be Nice vs. Mike's.

Mark's original technical liner notes indicate that the vocals in question were simply taped over, but it's been suggested there might have been an later multitrack that is missing that contains the vocals appearing on the final LP.

We'd love to have you weigh in.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 28, 2006, 11:04:42 AM
I think Mike's part was taped over, and then an older mixdown of that part of the song was used when Brian mixed it to mono (there are lots of alternate mixes of that song, almost all of which feature Mike on the bridge).  There's a slightly klunky edit as the moono version heads into that section of the song.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 28, 2006, 04:04:23 PM
I'd love to know why Brian taped over that stuff after it was all mixed down and "finished."

Anyway, Alan I brought this up after the cotton fields discussion on Steve's thread, you mentioned that the Single version of CF was cut onto 16-track, I wondered if that was the first Beach Boys production cut directly onto 16-track?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jonas on February 28, 2006, 04:09:17 PM
Probably because he figured he didnt need it anymore, and if he kept it he'd keep lookin back like 'maybe I should do this, or that'...once its recorded over, theres nothing he can do.

thats what I do sometimes :/



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 28, 2006, 06:07:44 PM
Cotton Fields just might be the first 16 track recording, at least as far as the basic track is concerned.  They later finished it on 8 track.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on February 28, 2006, 06:11:04 PM
Well, Al certainly put all 22 total tracks to extremely, extremely good use.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on March 02, 2006, 12:21:56 PM
Alan, another question originating from a discussion in another thread:

Joe Osborn was credited with "fuzz bass" on an early session for "Got To Know the Woman."

Is there any indication of a fuzz bass that was left out of the final mix?  This is particularly interesting for me because somehow Joe managed to avoid working with the Beach Boys, except for this time, which seems to have gone unheard.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 02, 2006, 12:30:28 PM
There appearrs to be an unused take with a listing for "fuzz guitar," separate from a bass track....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on March 02, 2006, 12:39:23 PM
Very interesting.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on March 04, 2006, 01:36:05 PM
Alan, impossibly detailed and involved question here which you of course are under no obligation to answer:

Of the songs recorded during the Sunflower/Surf's up era, I'm interested in how many feature just two tracks of drums on the final multi-track.  That is, how many final mixdowns were working with only stereo drums, as opposed to three or four tracks?

And of the songs that were sourced from multiple generations of tapes, did any first generation tapes feature 3 or four tracks of drums, say, only to be mixed to stereo for the final multi-track?

Basically what I'm trying to get at is this:

On modern recordings, of course, Drums often occupy anywhere from 10-15 tracks at mixdown.  Steve has expressed his preference for more minimal techniues for mic-ing and recording drums, and I share his views.

So I'm interested if there is any "paper trail" of Steve's use of more than two tracks for drums.  I'm sure he did this, and I'm sure most records of this are lost due to bounce downs from within the same tape, but I'm interested just the same.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 04, 2006, 05:17:19 PM
A quick lopok at the surviving tracks heets indicates that on almost all of these 1969-1970 tracks, there are simply DRUMS LEFT and DRUMS RIGHT.

There are a couple of exceptions.... GOOD TIME seems to have extra snare and hi hat track assignments, overdubs after the basic track had been laid down.... TEARS IN THE MORNING has a separate track labeled KICK BASS... but for the most part it appears to be drums left and right.

We don't have complete track sheets on all of these songs, though - there may be other exceptions.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on March 05, 2006, 09:18:54 AM
That works.  Thanks.  I love learning about this stuff!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on March 05, 2006, 10:33:28 AM
That works.  Thanks.  I love learning about this stuff!
Me too!  I'm a total studio nut.

C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: dennyfan on March 05, 2006, 11:03:03 AM
What about Breakaway?  I remember Stephen saying about extra flourishes Dennis added after the main recording.  Would those have been allocated to extra tracks?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jonas on March 05, 2006, 01:30:06 PM
You'd think 'Tears in the Morning' would have an extra tom track or two for the panning of the intro...I dont think an XY configuration could make it sound that wide...



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on March 05, 2006, 01:35:14 PM
It's panned manually, by turning the panpot.  In mono.  Buy Steve's book.  ;)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jonas on March 05, 2006, 01:39:38 PM
You know, by this time you'd think I would...Im such a slacker! I need to get on the ball.  :smokin


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: punkinhead on March 05, 2006, 07:28:12 PM
Mr. Boyd,
I know this isn't a proud subject, but I was wondering about some stuff from An American Family, I tried looking up if this was already discussed, but I couldn't find anything. The Smile-esq song on there, that was written by you, right? is there a full length version available? Who sang it? Also, I was looking on Jeff Foskett's Tributes and Rarities album, I don't own it, but I was wondering what the track: Theme to American Family was?

Honestly, great job on this tv-movie, it's what turned me on to BB/BW, and for that, it was worth the production, even if there were a few flaws.
-Justin


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 06, 2006, 12:37:04 PM
Oyyyyy...

(Not me favorite topic, that's for sure....)

The "



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 06, 2006, 12:47:06 PM
(Not me favorite topic, that's for sure....)

I know I posted a long thing about this somewhere else on here, but here's the short version:  The "Smile" music for that show was written by Gary Griffin (and I think he did a wonderful job with it, too).  The lyric was something I blurted out as a joke when I was having dinner with the show's writer.

I will say that the false beards featured in "American Family" were somewhat better than the ones seen in the first BB TV movie.

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 06, 2006, 01:05:29 PM
Hi Alan.  Thanks for taking the time to address our many questions.  I have a few random ones, if you don't mind answering!

I wanted to follow up on a previous inquiry regarding the song "It's a New Day".  Do you know exactly when the version with Blondie Chaplin singing was tracked?  Also, Stan Shapiro has made reference to a "full Beach Boys recording".  Has such a thing turned up?

Has the Surf's Up outtake "Behold the Night" turned up?

When exactly was "Lazy Lizzie" tracked?


Thanks a bunch!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 06, 2006, 01:17:49 PM
Hey Jason,

IT'S A NEW DAY was recorded at Sunset Sound 7/7 and 7/8 1971.

BEHOLD THE NIGHT was recorded at the same session, 7/7/71.  It's short, sweet, and very, very pretty. "Moon's out tonight, tonight I know you will behold the night, mmmmm, it's still...."

We've looked for a BB version of IT'S A NEW DAY, but so far we haven't been able to track it down.  From everything I've heard from Stan, though, it doesn't sound like they got any further than a rough basic track.

There's no documentation for the LAZY LIZZIE 2" multi-track, but its inclusion one of the comp tapes of LOVE YOU-era rough mixes (which included MARILYN ROVELL and SHERRY SHE NEEDS ME) leads me to think it dates from late summer - early fall of 1976.  But that's just a guess!

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on March 06, 2006, 03:31:53 PM
Alan -

Any reording info (dates and locations) for the "Carl and the Passsions" songs?
Reportedly these sessions were held at Sunset, Village, and Brian's home, but I'm
curious if we know which ones were done where.

Thanks,
C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Mitchell on March 07, 2006, 06:39:57 AM
Alan, I was listening to Busy Doin' Nothing and I noticed that on the far right of the stereo spectrum, there appears to be a low harmony voice. During a later verse of the song (I get a lot of thoughts in the morning...), I can hear other noises from the same 'spot' (sounds higher-pitched). Is this track isolated anywhere? What's it sound like and who is it? Mike? I think it's the source of the raspberry, too.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on March 07, 2006, 06:41:03 AM
I think it's Brian's voice.  Just my opinion.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alex M on March 07, 2006, 07:27:09 AM
Alan, I was listening to Busy Doin' Nothing and I noticed that on the far right of the stereo spectrum, there appears to be a low harmony voice.

Is that the same voice that comes through when OOPSing the song? A very wobbly-sounding bass line? I'm not sure who's singing it, but it appears to be way out of their range.

Cheers,
Alex


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Mitchell on March 07, 2006, 07:50:02 AM
I've never OOPsed the song, actually. I imagine you'd get some of it that way. I'll have to wait until later tonight to try.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: king of anglia on March 08, 2006, 10:50:25 AM
Hi Alan,
I was wondering if you tell us which of these Dennis Wilson titles you've located and any descriptions if possible:

I Don’t Know - (Smile era tune)
Away
Settle Down
It’s a New Day
Ecology
All my Love
Baby Baby
Slow Song
Our Love Remains
Grateful Are We For Little Children
Marble Sittin' at the Kitchen Table
Don't Want Much, Just a Country or Two, Maybe a Planet Before It's Through ?
Helen Keller
Holy Man (and Slow Booze)
Barnyard Blues
Life Symphony
Flowers Come in the Spring - Reworking of Lady
Only With You - Dennis lead vocal
+ any songs with a lead vocal by him instead of released versions with Carl or Mike singing? (Steamboat? Sail on Sailor?)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 10, 2006, 01:31:37 PM
Question for Alan Boyd, or anyone who remembers the post to which I'm about to refer.
On a 'Poops / Hubba Hubba' thread a while back, Alan wound up making a post that roughly detailed when the following tunes were tracked, plus some accompanying info.

Just found it on spec, while idling at Google. Cached (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:MGT1DZX5Ws0J:www.comiclist.com/smileysmile/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D180910%26sid%3De33f7f47b4a83de4508b67d6418ded86+alan+boyd+poops+hubba+hubba&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1) there.

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:59 pm 

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Sound of Free and Lady date from the SUNFLOWER era. The 16 track master for "Lady" is on one of the two SUNFLOWER master reels.

"Baby Baby" (one of the D&D - Dennis & Daryl - tapes) is an eccentric old-fashioned little rocker on which Dennis seems to be doing his best to sound like Leon Redbone...

The tune known as "All Of My Love" derives from the "Intro/Ecology" track on one of the D&D 16 track master tapes. After that intro, there are two unfinished segments, one of which incorporates the piano riff that later was the foundation for "River Song." As a matter of fact, on the second segment of "Ecology," the only vocals consist if Dennis repeating "Run Run, river run..."

"I've Got A Friend" exists on tape as an unfinished backing track - no vocals. There's another track - no title - with a partial scratch lead that might be called "We've Been Here Before."

"It's A New Day" was recorded at Sunset Sound in late 1971 and was intended as a commercial for Dry Command anti-perspirant! This was credited to Dennis and the Dragons (with Blondie singing lead).

"Wouldn't It be Nice To Live Again" was indeed considered for inclusion on SURF'S UP, but seemed to have fallen victim to some internal group/management miscommunications....

"I'm Going Your Way" was recorded in 1969 at the same session that saw the first attempt at "Slip On Through."

"Carry Me Home" was recorded in Holland in 1972.







"Carry Me Home" is a "Holland" outtake

Yeah, that's what Boyd says in the post I just linked. Guessing his word carries more weight than - the "ever-reliable and imperiously all-knowing" - Professor Jason's (my *adamant* source, re. the mooted early '72 origins of 'CMH') and the supposed Fall '71 tracking period I was cited elsewhere.
I'd heard it oft referred to as a 'Holland' reject - but that one appeared to have been debunked a few times, to my memory. Guess not.


Thx, anyway. Got there in the end.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 11, 2006, 03:01:33 PM
Just to add a coupla thoughts:

GRATEFUL ARE WE FOR LITTLE CHILDREN, according to Steve, was something that he had worked on with Brian back in the late 60s or early 70s.  When he sang it to me, I instantly recognized the melody as what eventually became "Saturday Morning In The City."

LIFE SYMPHONY may be connected to a couple of unfiinished sections from 1974 (really, really beautiful, by the way) labeled DENNIS SYMPHONY and STRING BASS SONG, both on the same 2" reel and recorded at Brother Studio.  The latter is recognizable as an early version of RAINBOWS.  No vocals.

I DON'T KNOW is in the vaults, but I haven't heard it yet.

HOLY MAN AND SLOW BOOZE seems to be a mis-translation of sorts.  There's a tape labeled HOLY MAN and SLOW BLUES.  Two separate tunes on the same tape.

The 16 track master of STEAMBOAT has a teeny bit of a Dennis vocal just before the song goes into the guitar solo.  Dennis sings, "Honey, don't get me wrong."  Could this track have been finished by Carl and Jack Reiley after Dennis left Holland?  Hmmm....

I believe that the reworkings of LADY and ONLY WITH YOU are stored in the vaults, but until the ownership issues of Dennis' solo stuff are fully resolved, we're not handling any of those tapes.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: king of anglia on March 11, 2006, 04:10:50 PM
Thanks Alan. I only wish these will be released before we all die.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on March 11, 2006, 06:51:20 PM
but until the ownership issues of Dennis' solo stuff are fully resolved, we're not handling any of those tapes.

Let's all PRAY that will be within the next year....I'm sure you know, Alan, that in the Adam Webb book, John Hanlon is quoted regarding "Holy Man":  "...I was totally mesmerised by it.  It was a spiritual song.  I've never heard a melody and a rhythm embodied in a song like that and I have'nt heard it since.  If ever I could accomplish one thing it would be to go into the vaults and find that song.  Just to hear it one more time, I wouldn't even care if it never even came out".

C-Man 

 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 11, 2006, 07:27:45 PM
King of Anglia:

We're trying.  We really, really are trying.

C-Man:

I look forward to hearing that one, myself.  I've only heard a rough mix of a basic track.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on March 12, 2006, 03:24:24 PM
Alan, I hope you get an opportunity to read my little "anatomy of a recording session" article.  Either way, I wrote the following in that article about how I think the tracks were split up (on WIBN), I was wondering if you had any info to agree with or refute with my observations.

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According to my ears, this is how Larry and Brian decided to group the inputs:

1.  Horns.  The Saxes and Trumpet got their own track, and typically Brian would isolate the horns.  Since they aren't amplified electrically, it was crucial to have control over the volume.  The horns wouldn't really leak onto the other tracks, unlike the electric instruments, guitars, basses, organs, which are all over all the tracks.

2.  Main Rhythm.  Here we have the meat of the rhythm section.  Fender, Dano, and String basses, the Grand Piano, the Drums and Percussion.  As I mentioned, you could have this track all the way down and still hear most everything on it except the piano and string bass.

3.  Rhythm and Color.  The accordions dominate this track.  The Box Guitar and Tack Piano are also captured on this buss, and the 12-strings feature as well.

I'd really like the article to be as accurate as humanly possible.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bill Barnyard on March 13, 2006, 02:11:19 PM
"I DON'T KNOW is in the vaults, but I haven't heard it yet."

Whoa, Alan,

Did you just say that a never heard before semi-mythical Smile era track is in the vaults but you haven't heard it yet?!

As far as you know (from the tape box) is this just a tracking session or something more? Whenever, if ever, you get the chance to listen it, let us know. Good luck with your continuing BB audio archaeology work.

 8)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 13, 2006, 02:15:35 PM
As far as I know, the I DON'T KNOW tape is a tracking session, and may not be complete.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SMiLEY on March 13, 2006, 02:33:04 PM
Alan -- is there a general embargo on all Dennis' stuff, including tracks logged as Beach Boy sessions?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 13, 2006, 03:33:47 PM
I wouldn't say that there was an embargo on Dennis' stuff, as you suggest - it's just that the tapes recorded and produced under Dennis' solo contract with Caribou don't belong to Brother Records or The Beach Boys.  They're currently being stored with The Beach Boys' material, along with hundreds of other tapes left at Brother Studios by various clients in the 1970s, stacks of which we've managed to "repatriate" to their rightful owners (some of whom were pleasantly stunned when we tracked them down and gave them their tapes back, 25-plus years after the sessions!)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ken.W on March 13, 2006, 03:46:51 PM
Hi, Alan.

What would you say is the most suprising find of Dennis' work that you've found so far?

Full props to your archival work, btw! 8)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on March 13, 2006, 04:04:46 PM
Can you tell us who those "various clients" are?  I believe the Paley Brothers would be two of them, right?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 14, 2006, 10:33:59 AM
There are some tapes in there, mis-labeled "Haley Bros."


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 14, 2006, 12:12:02 PM
Alan....can you give us a date for "Rollin' Up To Heaven"? Any further info about this odd track?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 14, 2006, 01:32:29 PM
If you're referring to the very odd version of "Ding Dang" that's floating around, that dates from the trip to Caribou Ranch in late 1974.  It's on the same reel as the original basic track for "Goiod Timin'."


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 14, 2006, 03:13:43 PM
Interesting. Brian still has his "old" voice on that one....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 14, 2006, 04:53:58 PM
If you're referring to the very odd version of "Ding Dang" that's floating around, that dates from the trip to Caribou Ranch in late 1974.  It's on the same reel as the original basic track for "Good Timin'."

Checkmate, Jasper. Knew it.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 14, 2006, 05:05:32 PM
Checkmate, Jasper. Knew it.

Ooh, I say, that closely resembled un-gentlemanly conduct.

Apologies, lads. As you were. >:D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 14, 2006, 05:06:28 PM
...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 14, 2006, 05:07:42 PM
*bolts for exit door*


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on March 14, 2006, 09:35:40 PM
Checkmate, Jasper. Knew it.

Me? Impossible, I never fail. :angry
Can you please explain what exactly you mean with that?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 15, 2006, 02:20:17 AM
Can you please explain what exactly you mean with that?

Just being juvenile, petty, un-gentlemanly and gloaty.

But since you asked... Remember when you said (on the 12th of whenever, some time back, Lord knows when) that "Rollin Up To Heaven" was a 'Sunflower' era toss-off and I swore blind it was one of those Caribou Ranch thingys??? Well, *I* was right, and *YOU* were wrong!!! MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHA!!! **I** WAS RIGHT, AND **YOU** WERE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAH, HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on March 15, 2006, 04:34:30 AM
OMG, no! Fortunately there are people on this board who really know the facts.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 15, 2006, 06:35:10 AM
OMG, no!

Oh, don't worry, it wasn't just you... IT WAS JASON, TOO!!!!
MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, HAHAHA!!!!!!!!
<maniacal>AAAAAAAAAAAH, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!</maniacal>

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Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 15, 2006, 07:04:15 AM
Ooookay.

Anyway, Brian really sounds great on that cut. What happened between 74 and 15 Big Ones? He couldn’t have damaged his voice that much in a year, could he? I think it was intentional.

Perhaps the 1974 sessions are of a high quality. Why was Brian suddenly active again? Did the explosion in sales bring him back to life? It seems his behavior is often connected to how his records are selling. Mayhap it was not Smile and drugs which drove him away but a lack of sales, which resulted in a lack of confidence and interest. Was it because the post-Good Vibrations material was not being accepted by the public that he became less active, or the fact that he was less active making the material less acceptable?

He did next to nothing on Surf’s Up, So Tough, and Holland. Why suddenly a return to the studio? Just on an upswing? Like his 4 days of work on KTSA?

What other songs were cut in ’74? River Song? Battle Hymn of the Republic? Do we have a comprehensive list? And what ended the sessions?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 15, 2006, 08:13:21 AM
Serious question for Mr. Boyd.
Sorry if it's been asked, I've been missing for spells, but - is it known when the BB's version of Terry Jacks' 'Seasons In The Sun' was tracked? There seem to be a few conflicting calls on that one.

Such a miserable, un-edifying lyric. Such a lovely lead vocal from Carl (still more unnervingly paired with those boucy chorus backgrounds). Some contrast.

Perhaps the 1974 sessions are of a high quality.

Or... were? Didn't most of 'em go up in smoke?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 15, 2006, 08:27:07 AM
That’s the rumor.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 16, 2006, 08:14:35 AM
If I can field this one for Alan, "Seasons" was tracked on the cusp of the Sunflower and Surf's Up Sessions in 1970.  (If Badman is to be believed anyway.)  Mike is quoted in that book as not liking it because he is not pleased with Carl's vocal and that the song is (paraphrased) "too wimpy for the Beach Boys" (!!!)

Here's a partial list of stuff the band cut in 1974.  Maybe Alan could elaborate on some of the mystery titles:

Share Your Love (Ricky Faatar track)
Shortenin' Bread
Clangin' (is this the same things as "Ding Dang"?)
Marcella (remake by Brian)
"Guitar demo" (Carl)
"Carl's Moog Riff" (Carl and Ricky)
Good Timin'
"Jam" (with Ricky Faatar)
Ding Dang
Is It Really Love? (not sure if this is the Beach Boys)
Birthday Greeting for Roger McGuinn
Foolin' (Ricky Faatar)
"Drum Song" (Ricky again)
"Carl demo"
Battle Hymn of the Republic
Hard Times aka Ding Dang (obviously not the earlier Blondie Chaplin song titled "Hard Times")
Our Life Our Love Our Land??
Don't Let Me Go??
Battle Hymn of the Republic (alternate take)
Child of Winter
Here Comes Santa Claus
It's OK
California Feeling (probably just a demo)
The River aka River Song (Dennis)
Honeycomb (Brian)
Take Me Out to the Ballgame (Dennis)
Baseball (Dennis - not the same song as "It's Trying to Say")
String Bass Song (early version of "Rainbows" according to AB)
Dennis Symphony
Rollin' Up to Heaven


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 16, 2006, 08:49:08 AM
Thanks alot, Jason. That's just the information I was looking for.


So is Clangin’/Ding Dang/Rollin’ Up To Heaven/Hard Times all the same song?

The track we heard on “Get The Boot” did have the phrase “Hard Time” repeated frequently.

In Rolling Stone, they describe a song called “Clang” as featuring the lyric “Hey Holy Something Rather hallelujah” as a background.

Are the just variations on the same theme?

To this day, Brian still days “Ding Dang” is his favorite song, which is a head-scratcher for me!



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Susan on March 16, 2006, 08:51:16 AM
To this day, Brian still days “Ding Dang” is his favorite song, which is a head-scratcher for me!

Ah, Bubba...he says that about a lot of songs!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 16, 2006, 09:00:45 AM
But I think he meant it that time.

I was on QVC, after all......


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on March 16, 2006, 09:02:07 AM
Serious question for Mr. Boyd.
Sorry if it's been asked, I've been missing for spells, but - is it known when the BB's version of Terry Jacks' 'Seasons In The Sun' was tracked? There seem to be a few conflicting calls on that one.

According to the AFM sheet, the track for "Seasons" was laid down by Terry Jacks at Brian's studio on
July 31 and August 4, 1970.  Players on the first session were Earl Palmer (drums), Sonny Curtis & Mike Deasy (guitars), and Lyle Ritz (bass).  Virgil Evans (trumpet) overdubbed his part at the second session.
Badman seems to indicate that The Beach Boys' vocals were worked on at both sessions.  Also he says Dennis was absent from both sessions.
  
C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on March 17, 2006, 07:48:03 AM
Hard Times is a Blondie/Ricky song that can be found on Get The Boot - recorded after Holland, it's a great song - probably my favorite of the Blondie/Ricky songs recorded with the  Beach Boys.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 17, 2006, 07:52:18 AM
Hard Times is a Blondie/Ricky song that can be found on Get The Boot - recorded after Holland, it's a great song - probably my favorite of the Blondie/Ricky songs recorded with the  Beach Boys.

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Hard Times aka Ding Dang (obviously not the earlier Blondie Chaplin song titled "Hard Times")


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on March 17, 2006, 12:24:51 PM
Sorry - didn't see that qualifier in your list.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 17, 2006, 01:02:35 PM
Sorry - didn't see that qualifier in your list.

In all fairness I think I type-o'd on that track listing.  The Brian song is actually "Hard Time" (no 's').  I'd still like to know what the difference is between this, "Rolling Up to Heaven", "Ding Dang" and "Clangin'".

I know, I've reached the ninth degree of Beach Boy obsessiveness.  :wall


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Susan on March 17, 2006, 08:49:23 PM
I'd still like to know what the difference is between this, "Rolling Up to Heaven", "Ding Dang" and "Clangin'".

I know, I've reached the ninth degree of Beach Boy obsessivenes.  :wall

But you'll sure look swell in that white wrap-around coat, Jason!
;-)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SMiLEY on March 17, 2006, 10:47:38 PM
Alan--

Do the recordings that Dennis and Brian made in the early eighties, (sometimes known as the cocaine tapes) reside in the BB vault? If so, what kind of tape was used? Were they multi-track?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 18, 2006, 05:41:47 PM
I think "Rollin' Up To Heaven" and that strange Caribou version of "Ding Dang" (the one where Brian is singing "hard time") are one and the same, although the tape box only lists it as "Brian's Tune."

There is a very rough unfinished track called "Clangin'" from 1976 that, as I recall (haven't heard this for awhile), sounds an awful lot like "I'm The Pied Piper," except Brian has overdubbed himslef a couple of times singing "Clangin' clangin', dingin' a dangin' and-a clangin' clangin'...." over and over and over again.  And again.  And again.

Just recently we DID find a very rough take of The Beach Boys - the guys around the piano at Brother Studio (same session where they filmed "I'm Bugged At My Old Man" for the 1976 TV special) - singing the "Wow Mama Yama Holy Hallelujah" part as Brian plays (can you guess?).... the "Shortenin' Bread" riff, which he pounds out here at about the same tempo as his version of "Proud Mary."  Not the same riff as "Clangin" or that 1974 "Ding Dang" version.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: pavlos brenos on March 19, 2006, 03:32:57 AM
Hi Alan,
            Have you found the Stanley Shapiro/Tandyn Almer/Brian Wilson remakes-of-BBs-classics tapes yet and have you got any interesting news/over-views to share?
Thanks


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 19, 2006, 12:35:21 PM
According to the AFM sheet, the track for "Seasons" was laid down by Terry Jacks at Brian's studio on
July 31 and August 4, 1970.  Players on the first session were Earl Palmer (drums), Sonny Curtis & Mike Deasy (guitars), and Lyle Ritz (bass).  Virgil Evans (trumpet) overdubbed his part at the second session.

Cheers, Jason and C-man. S'pose I should get that Badman book. Figured it could wait, after the muted reception it got. Been more concerned with getting a hold of the McParland stuff I was missing.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 20, 2006, 02:34:54 PM
Does anyone have the recording dates for the versions of "Be My Baby" and "Calendar Girl" that appear on the California Feeling boot?

I've been told that "Be My Baby" is an Adult/ Child outtake from early '77, and that "Calendar Girl" is from the 1978 LA sessions, but I'm not entirely sure that these are accurate dates.

Any info appreciated!!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 20, 2006, 03:19:30 PM
Haven't found anything from the A&M writing sessions with Brian, Stan and Tandyn Almer apart from one cassette that we're planning to transfer soon.  Not exactly sure what's on it....

BE MY BABY was recorded in 1980 in sessions up at Mike's place in Santa Barbara.

CALENDAR GIRL was recorded at Criteria in Miami in August 1978.  The group later redid the song again (copyinng Brian's aarraangement but smoothing out the rhythm section) a few months later.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: pavlos brenos on March 20, 2006, 05:59:33 PM
Thanks for that Alan: I hope it is superb and releasable!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 20, 2006, 06:13:02 PM
Thank you, Alan!  I'm so happy you didn't overlook my obscure question.   :hat


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jon Stebbins on March 21, 2006, 08:34:53 AM
Cheers, Jason and C-man. S'pose I should get that Badman book. Figured it could wait, after the muted reception it got. Been more concerned with getting a hold of the McParland stuff I was missing.
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Beware!! The Badman book is a minefield of factual errors and contradictions. I love the format...but it needed some serious proof reading by an expert.
 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 21, 2006, 11:46:24 AM
Cheers, Stebs. Gonna wind up getting it, anyways. Just got shoved down the list of musts.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: punkinhead on March 22, 2006, 05:51:12 AM
yeah, but dont you want the BB's, Hal Blaine's, Carol Kaye's, (etc.) Social Security Numbers?    :p


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 22, 2006, 12:26:51 PM
I could use those for something... yeah.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 22, 2006, 01:28:21 PM
Two more for you Alan, and I'll swear I'll stop pestering you with these obscure recording date questions!

"Won't You Tell Me"; The Brian/ Murry/ Rick Henn/ Dennis collaboration.  Badman says it's from 1971 vintage.  (I'm assuming he has some AMF documentation to back that up.)  Andrew Doe has it as on his webpage as being from 1969.  I also read it's from 1970 on another website.  Can you set us straight on the date?


The other one I'm uncertain about is the track mis-labeled as "Surf's Up (with 'Child Is Father to The Man' tag). Dutch TV 1972" on the Long Lost Surf Songs vol. 4 boot.  I remember reading a long time ago that this was actually an alternate studio take of "Surf's Up", and it sure sounds that way.  I'd be REALLY interested to know the circumstances surrounding this obscure recording.  :afro


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: LeeDempsey on March 22, 2006, 05:14:02 PM
Hey Alan ol' friend (you never write; you never call!) ;-)

You might also want to talk to Rob Santos -- there's a strange version of "Ding Dang" in the RCA (I guess now Sony BMG) vaults with all of the Equinox stuff.  It's somebody strange on lead vocals that I wasn't able to recognize...

p.s.: The master tape of "London's a Lonely Town" is there too!

Lee


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cabana Boy on March 23, 2006, 03:20:19 AM
there's a strange version of "Ding Dang" in the RCA (I guess now Sony BMG) vaults with all of the Equinox stuff.  It's somebody strange on lead vocals that I wasn't able to recognize...

Brian started work on a version of 'Ding Dang' for California Music. Part of his 36 song deal with Equinox. That's probably what you heard.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 23, 2006, 09:36:31 AM
The date on the 2" master for WON'T YOU TELL ME is 6/19/71.... and the mixdown tape is dated 8/24/71. 

There are a few mixes on that tape highlighting Brian and Carl's doubled lead vocal.

Hii Lee!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 24, 2006, 07:58:49 AM
Thanks again, Alan!  I've posted that purported alternate 70s studio version of "Surf's Up" in case it doesn't reside in the vaults.  Hoping that you or somebody else could ID it:

http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1WCN5KX6DLZG60QKJTN1103K3F


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on March 24, 2006, 08:05:54 AM
Sounds like some kind of live rehearsal or something.  Strange.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 24, 2006, 12:14:23 PM
Sounds like some kind of live rehearsal or something.  Strange.

That was my thought too.  I really like how they arranged the ending.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: bryand on March 24, 2006, 08:31:50 PM
The track that you posted is from the Beach Boys performance on the Gran Gala Du Disque TV Show from early 1972. Other tracks performed at this show are, "Heroes and Villains" "Sloop John B", and "Student Demonstration Time".



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on March 24, 2006, 08:45:10 PM

Thanks.  That's what I originally thought too, but then I read a thread awhile back on a different message board that said that this version of "Surf's Up" was mislabelled as being from that TV show, but was actually recorded a year later in the studio.  I don't know where that poster got their information from though, and I didn't archive the thread, so I guess I'll chalk it up as faulty info, unless I hear otherwise.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on March 29, 2006, 07:11:13 PM
Alan, what song is Brad referring to in this post?

Is it the song discussed here?:  http://www2.gol.com/users/davidr/m&m/roominfo.html



[PSML] Re: Down to San Diego

From: Brad Elliott <surfsup@nts-online.net>
To: <petsounds@landlocked.iwaynet.net>
Reply-To: petsounds@landlocked.iwaynet.net
Date: Feb 27 2001 - 8:12pm

Somebody else probably has responded to this by now (I'm on the digest, so I
don't see all the posts right away), but in case they haven't ...

Dave Marshall wrote:

> Can someone help me remember the details concerning this song that I
believe
> had something to do with a BB convention?
>
> who wrote it, who is singing etc...?


To which Leon Lively responded:

> Al Jardine wrote/recorded it for the Beach Boys convention in 1991. It may
> have been a year or two earlier.

It's not Alan JARDINE! Rather, it's our own esteemed Alan BOYD of "Endless
Harmony" and "Hawthorne" fame! He wrote it and he's singing it! Step
forward and take a bow, Alan!

Surf's up!
Brad


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dan Lega on March 30, 2006, 06:49:50 AM
The song on that collection is not "Down South In San Diego", it's "Everybody's Waiting".  As it says at the bottom of the track info, both songs were the theme songs of Beach Boy Conventions in California. 

>> "Everybody's Waiting" was used as the official song of the 1992 San Diego Beach Boys Convention, as was Alan's "Down South in San Diego" in 1990. <<


I believe both songs can be found on Alan's own CD, along with a lot of other nifty Alan Boyd songs!


               Love and merci,    Dan Lega


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: nosticker on March 30, 2006, 02:41:10 PM
The song on that collection is not "Down South In San Diego", it's "Everybody's Waiting".  As it says at the bottom of the track info, both songs were the theme songs of Beach Boy Conventions in California. 

>> "Everybody's Waiting" was used as the official song of the 1992 San Diego Beach Boys Convention, as was Alan's "Down South in San Diego" in 1990. <<


I believe both songs can be found on Alan's own CD, along with a lot of other nifty Alan Boyd songs!


               Love and merci,    Dan Lega

"Everybody's Waiting" is just phenomenal!  When I first heard it on IN MY ROOM, I remember thinking, "Geez, this is better than the actual band!". Then of course, there was Darian's "Regrets", which also is killer and is the way the song should have been done IMHO.
At the time, I thought, "This guy Darian is pretty good!".  Little did I know...........

Dan


Title: Bruce from 72-77
Post by: MBE on April 02, 2006, 09:27:11 PM
What Beach Boys recordings did Bruce play on for "So Tough", "Holland", and "Love You"


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SMiLEY on April 02, 2006, 10:18:25 PM
Bruce is probably on a song or two from So Tough, but he was not in attendance at the Holland sessions or for Love You.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: punkinhead on April 03, 2006, 06:12:31 AM
what about I'll Bet He's Nice? he's clearly on the ending 'well it's you'


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on April 03, 2006, 08:04:38 PM
Hi there,

I finally have a MySpace page up and running:

 http://www.myspace.com/alanboydmusic

It would have been "...com/alanboyd" but that was already taken by someone with some obscene content on their page... yikes.


AB


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on April 03, 2006, 09:23:03 PM
I know he is on Calfornia Saga but I still am curious what else he did with the group on those albums.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on April 05, 2006, 08:22:48 AM
Bruce has said that on "Carl - So Tough" he is only on "Marcella" (and only backup vocals), but that he was there when Brian cut the track for "Mess Of Help".  Likewise, the outtake called "Rooftop Harry".  Plus, Bruce did a version of "Ten Years' Harmony" at the "So Tough" sessions.

He overdubbed vocals onto "California" when the group brought those tapes back to L.A. from Holland.  That's the only "Holland" song he's reported to be on.

Yes, he's definitely on "I'll Bet He's Nice", especially the tag, and "Good Time", which is from the "Sunflower" era. 

He's not on "MIU" at all, and apparently proud of it.

C-Man


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on April 07, 2006, 03:58:43 PM
Hey Alan,
do you know about that new "Beach Boys in London '66" DVD? Did you have any involvement?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on April 07, 2006, 05:41:52 PM
I wasn't involved in putting that DVD together, but I did go through the footage during a trip to the UK in 2004 - it's Peter Whitehead's 1966 film "The Beach Boys In London," with (I imagine) the surviving outtakes.  The original released film was about 20 minutes long, but almost all of the original shoot reels have survived.

It's really cool stuff - it's great fun to see the 1966 touring group hanging out in swinging London (and seeing girls literally flinging themselves at Mike. Carl and Dennis during a live show).

I'm not sure how they've put it together for the DVD, but even so I'd reccommend it highly to BB fans, 60s music fans, and anyone who's into that whole 1966 London scene.  Not only that, but the film is in beautiful color - looks like it was shot yesterday!

AB


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: GoofyJeff on April 11, 2006, 04:26:44 PM
Hey Alan, quick question I don't think I've seen the answer to yet.

That new 40th Anniversary edition of Pet Sounds that's coming out this year (June?)... will it contain the recently discovered, lower gen master?  Or is it simply a rehash of the 2001 edition in terms of sound?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on April 12, 2006, 10:20:07 AM
I don't know yet.  That's still being decided....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: GoofyJeff on April 13, 2006, 08:12:36 PM
I don't know yet.  That's still being decided....

Not that my opinion matters, but you can tell the good folks at Capitol that I won't buy the 40th Anniversary edition unless it contains the newly found master   :)

Ah, who am I kidding, I'll buy it regardless... but don't tell your bosses in the tower that!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on April 17, 2006, 10:53:39 AM
Hi Alan:

Can you tell me what tapes you've located on "Amusement Parks U.S.A."? 
I noticed that the instrumental track on S.O.T. is in mono, yet it has what I think are two overdubs:  the carnival sound effects and Hal's "barker" voice.  I think this is coming from a "Generation Two" 3-track tape that has this as one track, and then the two vocal overdubs.  Which means the original unmixed session tape could be lost.  And, here's another interesting thing:  there's a different set of vocals on the S.O.T. version, which could mean a couple of things, but one possibility is that these alternate vocals (with different lyrics in several places) were the original vocals done on the second 3-track tape at Western, then later they took the first 3-track tape over to Columbia, where they transferred the three tracks (music, carnival sounds, and Hal doing the barker voice) over to the 8-track and added the final vocals there.   Afterwards, the original 3-track tape and the 8-track tape might've been left at Columbia, like lots of tapes were, only to have been returned to Brother in the '80s after the Boys left that label.

Is that possible?

Thanks,
Craig


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on April 17, 2006, 12:57:16 PM
Hi C-man,

I'm afraid I haven't listened to either the original 1/2" 3 trk or the 1" 8 trk masters on that song yet.  All I can tell you is that we have both in the vaults.

Mark Linett got the original 1" comp reel for SUMMER DAYS back from CBS back in the early 1990s.





Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on April 17, 2006, 03:29:11 PM
Well, at least that answers one question...why the alternate vocals would still exist, and not have been wiped out when the new vocals were recorded.  It's because the new vocals were done on 8-track.

Thanks Alan!

Craig


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on April 17, 2006, 03:53:55 PM
Alan, can you tell me which of the "Summer Days" songs exist on 8-track masters...or maybe it'd be easier to say which ones don't...I'm assuming "Girl From NYC", "Then I Kissed Her", "Girl Don't Tell Me", and "Help Me, Rhonda" are 3-track only..?

Craig


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on April 17, 2006, 05:13:35 PM
You got it right.

AND YOUR DREAM COMES TRUE is on a separate 1/2" reel. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: HeyJude on April 21, 2006, 01:01:02 PM
I have a question which just hit me, which others may or may not find particularly interesting: Are there any tapes in the BB's vaults of stuff from the BB '85 album? I would imagine there are some mixdowns and stuff that presumably could have been put onto tape. I would imagine rough compilations of the album could be on tape. Wasn't "At the Hop" dropped at the last second? I believe there are acetates of rough compilations of the album with rough mixes of some of the songs (and things like an alternate all-Al lead vocal on "California Calling"). I'm just curious if there are DAT multitracks for that album, or how that material, if any, was archived. For that matter, how did they master that album? Did the master stay digital all along the way, or was anything mixed to analog prior to mastering for CD?

Probably more interestingly, is there anything in the vaults containing Brian's attempt during the sessions to record "Oh Lord"? I've always wondered what that would have sounded like, and if Dennis would have received a co-writing credit on it.

I have this weird picture in my head of a BB tape vault that has a ton of tapes, and then, what, an Apple computer harddrive for the "Summer in Paradise" multitracks and outtakes? :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on April 21, 2006, 02:53:27 PM
There IS a stack of digital multitracks and early assemblies of that 1985 album in the vaults - "At The Hop" was indeed on the first assembly of the album.

"Oh Lord" is not listed among any of the outtakes for that project, but we haven't pulled any of those tapes yet, so I can't say for sure that it's NOT there (there are a few generic titles like "Ballad" and "Brian vocal" and "Reggae 1" listed on some of those tape boxes).

There's also an unfinished early version of CALIFORNIA CALLING recorded at Rumbo in 1982 at the same sessions that resulted in the mix of CALIFORNIA DREAMIN' that was on that Radio Shack cassette.



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ken.W on April 21, 2006, 04:48:16 PM
I know the obvious question would be to ask you about the contents of the box on the far right hand side ( .. but I think that's been answered before waaay back), but please could you shed any light on 3 of the other boxes in that stack?

.. the ones that say 'Summer Concert' ( .. 8th box in from the left), 'Remote / St. Paul' ( .. 12th box in from the left) and 'Misc Beach Boy Material' ( .. 13th from the left) ?

 (http://img46.imagevenue.com/loc241/th_62743_Dumb_Angel_Cropped.jpg)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jonas on April 21, 2006, 04:49:33 PM
being in that room must be glooorious!



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: punkinhead on April 21, 2006, 09:31:26 PM
do i see a tape: 'Bellago/Holland?' along with another 'holland?' different mixes? versions with We got Love?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on April 22, 2006, 01:34:50 PM
Every last one of these tapes in this picture is missing from the archive.

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jonas on April 22, 2006, 04:46:16 PM
Every last one of these tapes in this picture is missing from the archive.

Alan

whoa! any particular reason as to why?

thats nuts!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on April 22, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
Well I assume two of those boxes are the master tapes for the Surf's Up and Sunflower album - surely the tapes aren't missing, they just found their way into different boxes?  Because I thought the CD's were made with the master tapes.  The Pet Sounds master tape depicted in the picture is the L.A. tape that has gone missing, presumably.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on April 24, 2006, 04:03:34 PM
Actually, I doubt those were the original masters - for the true 1st generation masters, most of the post-Capitol albums - including SUNFLOWER and SURF'S UP, are split onto separate side one and side two reels.  On some of the later albums that were mastered at 30 ips, the side one and two masters are on larger reels, in larger boxes.  The tapes in this picture are probably reference copies.

I sure wish I knew what BELLAGO/HOLLAND is referring to..... or what might have been on that DUUMB ANGEL reel.... or SUMMER CONCERT or REMOTE, ST. PAUL....

*sigh*

We've been showing this picture to everyone who was involved in BB-land and/or Brother Studio back in the day, and so far no one knows what might have become of these tapes.

And I'm STILL hoping to find the multii--tracks and/or mixdown masters for YOU'VE LOST THAT LOVIN' FEELING.... or the ADATS on the 1993 Unplugged show in Atlanta.... or any of the missing SMILE tapes.... or the original master for THE SECOND WARNER BROTHERS ALBUM (AKA LANDLOCKED).... the list goes on.  And on.



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: punkinhead on April 24, 2006, 04:47:59 PM
could they have been the great fire of 1974 in the (what i think) Caribou studios with battle Hymn, good timin, Clangin', etc.?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on April 24, 2006, 05:48:39 PM
Actually, Battle Hymn, Ding Dang, and Good Timin' are all safe and sound, and are living happily in the Brother Records' tape collection.... We've never quite been able to ascertain just what reels might have gone up in that fire. 



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Surfer Joe on April 24, 2006, 07:30:56 PM
Alan, was anything in the vaults ever labelled as (or more likely archived as) "Do It Again '66"?



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on April 27, 2006, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: Alan Boyd in the Hallmark thread
And yes - there is a website under construction!  This is going to be THE official Beach Boys/Brother Records site, with all sorts of special features in the works.... including exclusive releases of material from The Beach Boys' archives.

Alan, what format will these releases be in? Will we be able to buy hard copy CDs, as opposed to/in addition to downloadable music?

I'm a hard-copy person myself. I want something that's archival, if at all possible. I'd much rather buy a disk than download.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on April 27, 2006, 07:03:10 PM
Could this be an avenue for the 5.1 DVD-A of Surf's Up to be released?  Also, Brian's mono mixes of Surfin' USA, Surfer Girl, Little Deuce Coupe, Shut Down Vol 2, All Summer Long, and the Christmas album? 

I'd also love to see a complete Capitol singles release - all the original mono mixes, A and B sides, in order of release.  We have a lot but not all of that on the Beach Boys Greatest Hits vols 1 and 2.  Maybe do a singles box ala Beatles and Rolling Stones, with CD singles reproducing the picture sleeves, and throw in a few unreleased singles/unreleased mixes as extras?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: NimrodsSon on April 27, 2006, 07:31:02 PM
Mr. Boyd, on the forthcoming website, will we be able to download songs in FLAC or some other LOSSLESS format? I love the idea of this website, but I, and I'm sure many others as well, absolutely refuse to pay for mp3's, even high bitrate ones, under any circumstances.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: GoofyJeff on April 27, 2006, 07:48:22 PM
I'm hoping for lossless and/or "official bootlegs" via mail order.....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: I. Spaceman on April 27, 2006, 09:48:57 PM
Quote
absolutely refuse to pay for mp3's, even high bitrate ones, under any circumstances.

 ::)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason Penick on May 12, 2006, 11:11:44 AM
Hi Alan... the version of "Things We Did Last Summer" on the box set-- has a definitive recording date ever been verified?  It sounds like it was arranged by someone other than Brian (Dick Reynolds?), and maybe the boys were brought in just to add their vocals.  Was this one intended for a movie or something?

Also curious if you've pinpointed an exact date for Brian's demos "Gonna Hustle You" and "Thank Him for Our Love".  Not much in the way of available information about the latter in particular.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jon Stebbins on May 13, 2006, 04:21:22 PM
Hi Alan... the version of "Things We Did Last Summer" on the box set-- has a definitive recording date ever been verified?  It sounds like it was arranged by someone other than Brian (Dick Reynolds?), and maybe the boys were brought in just to add their vocals.  Was this one intended for a movie or something?

Also curious if you've pinpointed an exact date for Brian's demos "Gonna Hustle You" and "Thank Him for Our Love".  Not much in the way of available information about the latter in particular.

Hi Jason...I'm not Alan...but if its the same "Things We Did Last Summer" that I'm thinking of...it was recorded for the BB's appearance on the Red Skelton show in '63...and only features Brian, Carl and Mike. At least that's the way Dave Marks remembers it. He has a recollection of that being recorded on the CBS soundstage or studio with the house orchestra...while he and Dennis goofed off somewhere...then the whole band lip shyched it for the show. If Alan has info to debunk that ...then never mind.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Mark Kidd on May 15, 2006, 05:44:20 PM
Could you recommend any books to serve as references to the kinds of recording techniques and equipment that would have been available in studios during the 60s and 70s? When Stephen Desper recovers I intend to purchase a copy of his book, but where else would I be able to glean a better understanding of what was going on in the recording industry, particularly at the beginning of the Beach Boys' recording career? I feel like a lot of times (particularly in the Desper and Linett threads) the level of discourse is a little too high for me to participate in with what I currently know.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on May 15, 2006, 05:57:26 PM
Mark:  It's not easy to get the information you're asking about.  There are books that will allude to certain things, and then there are books like "recording the Beatles" that are specific to one band, but there's really not a good "survey of recording techniques over the 60s and 70s as they evolved".  I've had to go bit by bit and piece by piece. 

If you have any specific questions, I can try to answer them for you from what I've gleaned from Mark, Steve, and various other sources.  Otherwise, just google stuff until you find something, which is what I did.  And still do.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: humanoidboogie on May 16, 2006, 01:58:58 AM
I'm hoping for lossless and/or "official bootlegs" via mail order.....

I really, really, REALLY hope there will be "real" silver CD's for sale through the web site, just like Experience Hendrix/Dagger Records. A couple of releases each year. That would be fantastic!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on May 16, 2006, 01:02:25 PM
I know this is even more remote but I would love to see some arhive 180 gram vinyl. Simply vinyl Sundazed etc do a terrific job and imho it sounds excellent.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SG7 on May 29, 2006, 12:31:18 PM
Hey Alan hope you had a good time at Hodad fest. It was nice seeing you and the band  ;D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on June 05, 2006, 06:04:13 AM
Hi Alan,
is there already a date when the new website will open? You guys should take the intro from "Warmth of the sun" as intro to the site imho....  :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on June 05, 2006, 12:56:17 PM
We're working on it.

We want to go online with a solid, this-is-it first product to announce. 

Stay tuned....

AB


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on June 05, 2006, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: Rocker
You guys should take the intro from "Warmth of the sun" as intro to the site imho....

Please, no. As passionately as I love the Beach Boys and their music, I'd rather not have any music playing immediately as I enter a website. Why?? Because I almost always have something playing on my computer -- either net radio, iTunes, or a CD -- and music playing over other music sounds irritating at best! The thing I dislike the most about MySpace is having to locate the music player on the page to stop the cacaphony of overlapping tunes. Please grant us the option to play it ourselves on the new site.

One other request to Alan -- I hope the site will use html instead of Flash for navigation. I seldom return to Flash-based sites, and beachboyscentral is a site I'd like to visit again and again and again. :)

Thanks!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on June 05, 2006, 02:07:23 PM
Quote from: Rocker
You guys should take the intro from "Warmth of the sun" as intro to the site imho....

Please, no. As passionately as I love the Beach Boys and their music, I'd rather not have any music playing immediately as I enter a website. Why?? Because I almost always have something playing on my computer -- either net radio, iTunes, or a CD -- and music playing over other music sounds irritating at best! The thing I dislike the most about MySpace is having to locate the music player on the page to stop the cacaphony of overlapping tunes. Please grant us the option to play it ourselves on the new site.


You're right, I have the same problem. I wasn't that serious about that.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on June 05, 2006, 04:33:11 PM
Actually, we do plan for a couple of very short musical tidbits to play when opening the pages.... but not enough to drive one to distraction.  Just a little 4 second "fanfare" as they say....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Paul R. on June 05, 2006, 05:38:45 PM
Hopefully, snippets of the vocal sessions from "Look."
:-)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: GoofyJeff on June 05, 2006, 07:07:34 PM
Actually, we do plan for a couple of very short musical tidbits to play when opening the pages.... but not enough to drive one to distraction.  Just a little 4 second "fanfare" as they say....

I assume snippets very similar to what you used on the Endless Harmony doc, a capella little "aaahs" from familiar songs but take 100 listens to say "oh yeah that bit's from California Girls!!"    :D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Aegir on June 05, 2006, 07:15:30 PM
Like the Beach Boys Band site that has the moan right before the chorus in Good Vibrations on the main page?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on June 05, 2006, 08:42:11 PM
Quote from: Alan Boyd
Actually, we do plan for a couple of very short musical tidbits to play

Which means when I'm listening to a BB album while surfing the site, I'll be wondering where that new part in "Let the Wind Blow" came from, right?  ;)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andreas on June 05, 2006, 10:30:15 PM
Actually, we do plan for a couple of very short musical tidbits to play when opening the pages.... but not enough to drive one to distraction.  Just a little 4 second "fanfare" as they say....

Hi Alan,

was it already determined what kind of downloads the site will offer? I am speaking both of the musical content and of the data format. (Hoping for lossless downloads!)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 05, 2006, 11:45:12 PM
...still hoping for mp3s, as my crappy computer seems to hate torrents...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andreas on June 05, 2006, 11:58:57 PM
...still hoping for mp3s, as my crappy computer seems to hate torrents...
They could offer both.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dan Lega on June 06, 2006, 12:22:25 PM

    Here's the sort of Holy Grail thing we're all hoping for in this new Beach Boy Online endeavor, a program called UMixIt, which lets you mix up to 16 tracks of an artists song!  This, unfortunately, is probably not the exact thing we Beach Boy fans are looking for because right now it only comes along with an artist's regular CD.  Which means you can play their regular stereo CD release on your normal CD players, but then you also get one song included that you can mix when you put the CD in your computer.  Now we would definitely want more than one song to mix, we want all of the Beach Boy songs to mix!  Also, it seems Alan and the guys are setting up a download system, not a CD buying system, so this wouldn't work that way either.  But it is the kind of pie-in-the-sky thing we would love to have!


      Love and merci,  Dan Lega

----

http://www.umixit.com/index.html



General

Q: What is Umixit?
A: Umixit is an exciting new way for consumers to more fully experience the joy of music. Umixit delivers an artist’s music in a format that provides 8 to 16 discrete channels, allowing the user to mix and remix the individual instruments in a song. Don’t like the keyboard part? Take it out or lower it as much as you want. Want to emphasize the vocal or bass? Crank it up! Plus there are open tracks for you to record new instruments or vocal parts. Create an instant remix by replacing acoustic drums with the included dance loops.
Q: Does Umixit require a special type of disk?
A: The beauty of Umixit is that it works with the same Compact Disks that are in use today. You can even use it with DVDs or whatever media the future brings.

The compact disk will behave like any other disk when played in a home or car stereo. When placed in the computers CD or DVD drive, however, the user will be prompted to install and launch the Umixit content and software.

Q: How much room does this take up on the disk?
A: The amount of space used depends on the length of the original song. For example, 100 megabytes of space equates to about 10 minutes of music. This is roughly the same amount of space that a music video or interactive multimedia would require.

Q: What’s included as part of the Umixit content?
A: A Umixit disk will contain, in addition the artist’s original audio tracks, an 8-track version of a song, a 16-track version (where available), a collection of royalty-free ACID-format loops, and the Cakewalk Media Mixer application.

Q: How do I use the included Umixit content?
A: Simply place the disk in your computer’s drive and you will be prompted to install the included song and application. Once you agree, the material will be installed and automatically launched inside the Cakewalk Media Mixer. Here you can rework and remix a song in a replica studio environment, including a mixer, effects processing, editing and recording tools.

Q: What's the difference between UMixit and Media Mixer? Are they the same thing?
A: UMixit is the name of the company which puts the technology and artist content onto disks. Media Mixer is a component of this technology which allows you to mix and edit the content.

Q: What specs does my computer have to have?
A: To run the included Media Mixer software, you will need:
*Windows Media 10
* Windows 2000 or XP
* 1 GHz processor (Intel or AMD)
* 256 MB RAM
* 200 MB free hard disk space
* 1024 X 768, 16-bit color
* CD-ROM drive (for installation)
* Windows-compatible sound card

Q: Can I share the songs from my disk with a friend?
A: Umixit songs use secure licensing so that only the owner of the disk may install and use the included songs.

Q: Can I download new songs from the internet?
A: At this time, Umixit songs will only be available as part of commercially released CDs and DVDs.

Q: What if I want to share my remix with a friend or burn it to a disk?
A: Finished songs can be exported as 128 KBPS Windows Media files to be played Media Player, portable devices, or burned to a compact disk.

Q: This is fun, I want to get deeper. What’s the next step?
A: For users who want to get even deeper, an upgrade is offered (where available). By taking advantage of the upgrade, users will receive access to the 16-track songs on the disk, and also receive additional effects for processing tracks. In addition, genre and instrument based loop libraries are available, allowing the user to bring in new instrumentation like drums or synthesizers.



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: HeyJude on June 07, 2006, 07:52:03 AM
...still hoping for mp3s, as my crappy computer seems to hate torrents...

I'm still very much hoping for actual CD releases! Some people are still on dial-up which would make even MP3's a hassle to download when we're talking about albums worth of material, let alone lossless formats. Plus, many of those who even have high speed connections would like the CD quality of actual CD's. Plus there's the whole "having the finished product to hold in your hands" thing.

I hope everything made available is made available on CD. If downloads are made available in addition, that would be great for those that are into that. I just hope that there aren't any "download exclusives" or material distributed exclusively on ITunes or anything like that.

In another thread, somebody mentioned this program might be something like a label called "FTD" that issues Elvis material. I don't know much about this Elvis program, but that program appears to consist of actual physical CD releases, which is how I hope the BB material would be done. I realize doing physical CD releases might be cost prohibitive compared to just putting the stuff up for download given the relatively small audience these releases might have. But I'd gladly pay a premium for these CD's. I know one thing: I know many other fans who are on dialup connections and/or aren't technically inclined enough to deal with a download system who would gladly pay a premium price for actual CD releases, but who probably wouldn't bother paying for downloads and instead just let more technically inclined fans get the download files into CD format and get a burned copy.

I've been hearing very definitive yet conflicting comments from fans. Some say these will be CD releases, but even more say it will be download-only. I would imagine the wheels are already in motion on this project and it has already been decided how it will work. But if anybody is listening and can still change anything, please release this BB material on actual CD's! You can even do it on burned CD's like the "Instant Live Recordings" company that follows bands on tour and burns the show to CD and then sells it right after the show. Talk to Al Jardine about "Disc Makers", they are a company that does high quality short runs of real, glass mastered CD's. These days, doing it on CD can't be that cost prohibitive. Okay, enough of my lobbying. :)



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on June 07, 2006, 08:44:45 AM
I hope for vinyl


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on June 07, 2006, 12:03:47 PM
We are - so far - planning on releasing material...on CD.  And through downloads.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: GoofyJeff on June 07, 2006, 12:06:53 PM
and now that i have a job i can afford all the sweet goodness coming our way    ;D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dan Lega on June 07, 2006, 12:17:04 PM
We are - so far - planning on releasing material...on CD.  And through downloads.


That's excellent news!  I've got slow modem dial-up at home, too, so I appreciate that there will be CD's I can buy.


Thanks,  Alan!


         Love and merci,   Dan Lega


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ken.W on June 07, 2006, 12:34:56 PM
Hi, Alan.

Can you give us any indication as to when the website goes "live"?

Ken.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on June 07, 2006, 04:39:05 PM
Hi Ken,

Well, spurred on by GoofyJeff, we're now seriously looking into the possibility of an official launch date of July 4th.

(Thanks, Jeff!)

Keep your fingers crossed!  We gotta lotta work ahead of us to get this going....

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ken.W on June 07, 2006, 11:34:41 PM
Thanks, Alan!

Of course .. July 4th would be the perfect date for the launch  :woot


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: GoofyJeff on June 08, 2006, 04:48:15 AM
Well, spurred on by GoofyJeff, we're now seriously looking into the possibility of an official launch date of July 4th.

Well I just thought it'd be an appropriate date, with the history that July 4th has in BBland, and seeing as though it's a Tuesday this year, typically the day new music gets released.

In any case, you're most welcome for the suggestion   8)

[cue Carl's voice] Fourth of Julyyyyyyyyyy...... [/Carl]


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on June 13, 2006, 04:07:25 PM
Alan, didn't you go to the event? I see you're online.... just wondering


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on June 13, 2006, 05:14:16 PM
Nope - I didn't attend.  Trying to get myself out from under some serious deadlines here....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on June 22, 2006, 03:46:25 PM
Alan, I have a suggestion for the new beachboyscentral.com site. Disregard it if you will.

Have you guys considered something like a "Rarity of the Month" or something similar? Every month, along with the releases you intend to bring out, you guys release a special track as a paid download. Something to keep the fans' appetite going.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: GoofyJeff on June 23, 2006, 10:46:00 AM
Alan, I have a suggestion for the new beachboyscentral.com site. Disregard it if you will.

Have you guys considered something like a "Rarity of the Month" or something similar? Every month, along with the releases you intend to bring out, you guys release a special track as a paid download. Something to keep the fans' appetite going.

Oooooh, good suggestion Jason!!!   Me like.....  me like a lot!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on June 23, 2006, 02:26:51 PM
I don't expect that paid downloads will help those of us who can't use credit cards...  :-\

I hope there will be alternatives. TIA.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Don't Back Down on June 25, 2006, 02:29:30 PM
This is all really exciting news! I can't wait  8)

Thanks to all who are making an effort for rare BB material to finally be released.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: I. Spaceman on June 25, 2006, 07:12:21 PM
Quote
official unreleased Beach Boys material

That doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on June 26, 2006, 09:38:56 AM
Quote
official unreleased Beach Boys material

That doesn't make sense.

It does. All the bootlegs are released stuff, but they are not official....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Don't Back Down on June 26, 2006, 09:40:34 AM
thank you, Rocker.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on June 26, 2006, 10:50:04 AM
It's one of those problems, like in physics where you'll have experiments that you ruin simply by conducting them.  You can have official unreleased material, but only before it's released.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: I. Spaceman on June 26, 2006, 03:21:31 PM
Quote
official unreleased Beach Boys material

That doesn't make sense.

It does. All the bootlegs are released stuff, but they are not official....

No, bootlegs are unreleased material.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: humanoidboogie on June 26, 2006, 04:04:47 PM
Quote
official unreleased Beach Boys material

That doesn't make sense.

It does. All the bootlegs are released stuff, but they are not official....

No, bootlegs are unreleased material.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?  :hat


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on June 26, 2006, 05:41:12 PM
Quote
official unreleased Beach Boys material

That doesn't make sense.

It does. All the bootlegs are released stuff, but they are not official....

No, bootlegs are unreleased material.

Bootlegs are released, alright...just "unofficially"...and "illegally"...
unauthorized...underground...
on the sly...on the lowdown...
in the alley...in the shadows...




Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on June 27, 2006, 10:21:32 AM
Quote
official unreleased Beach Boys material

That doesn't make sense.

It does. All the bootlegs are released stuff, but they are not official....

No, bootlegs are unreleased material.


Look, if it's unreleased, you wouldn't be able to hear that stuff. It's just not legally released....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Cam Mott on June 27, 2006, 05:08:18 PM
Unreleased doesn't mean unlistenable and the boots are pirated but unreleased. 8)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on June 27, 2006, 05:18:56 PM
Way to go, derailing a great thread. Crazy people.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on June 27, 2006, 05:58:29 PM
Unreleased doesn't mean unlistenable and the boots are pirated but unreleased. 8)

They're "released", alright...on labels such as Vigotone, Sea of Tunes, etc.
Pirate labels, but labels nonetheless.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on June 27, 2006, 07:15:44 PM
So if a pirate officially labels a boot unlistenable, should he then be released? 

(Or should he be made to walk the plank, that is, after stowing his boots in Davy Jones' locker, next to the 1/4" 15 ips safety copy of "Head"?  Or we could send him directly TO the head, take his boots, give him a pair of sandals new, and then make him sit in a dusty old sauna, too, while we do the right thing and take a walk in the grass)

So...um... what were we talking about?

 :3d






Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on June 27, 2006, 07:18:33 PM
So...um... what were we talking about?

Rarity of the month idea.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Aegir on June 27, 2006, 07:21:49 PM
And how it should be free.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on June 27, 2006, 07:22:54 PM
And how it should be free.

Amigo, let's not forget who we're dealing with here...

(Playful nudge to the ribs) Right Alan? ;)

EDIT - I mean we're dealing with the Beach Boys.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Aegir on June 27, 2006, 07:27:11 PM
Well, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the site supposed to have song downloads anyway? Why make it you have to pay for one of them?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Don't Back Down on June 27, 2006, 07:28:08 PM
Way to go, derailing a great thread. Crazy people.

And again it seems to have started with an honest post from me, and someone mixing things up from it. Let's just stop this and move on to what this thread is really about.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on June 27, 2006, 07:31:33 PM
Well, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the site supposed to have song downloads anyway? Why make it you have to pay for one of them?

We're dealing with THE BEACH BOYS. If it isn't painfully obvious to you now, it never will be.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on June 27, 2006, 07:39:55 PM
Well, in doing something like this, it's not just The Beach Boys themselves you're dealing with, but you gotta factor in Irving Music and Brother Publishing and Capitol Records and various estates, and the list goes on and on...

BUT - streaming audio of rarities is something we're pushing for.

It may take awhile, but we ARE making progress.... slowly but surely.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on June 27, 2006, 07:42:09 PM
Alan, a question about this "Live At Carnegie Hall" set you guys are planning to release over the new website. Are you guys going to release unedited tapes from these shows or are you going to put out a compilation of the best moments?

What tapes from Carnegie Hall exist? I'm told that there is one for the 9/24/71 show and there is the one from November 1972 that had two tracks released on Endless Harmony.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on June 28, 2006, 10:13:21 AM
We have the two shows from November 1972.... as well as most of the material recorded a few days earlier in Passaic, NJ.

Don't think that's going to be the first release, though....

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SG7 on June 28, 2006, 11:05:25 AM
Two words for you Mr. Boyd....



miH knahT


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on June 28, 2006, 02:03:29 PM
Katie - izzat you?  How's it going?

Well, we don't actually own that one.  We'd have to convince the Wilsons to put that one out.

But we do have lots of other goodies lurking in the vaults.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SG7 on June 28, 2006, 05:41:25 PM
Si




Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's me!  :lol



Ah you gotta convince them somehow. Use me as bait  :lol



I am sure there is plenty there Mr. Boyd  ;D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on July 02, 2006, 10:49:16 AM
Hey Alan, do you think we can expect to see the new site on Tuesday ? If Germany won't win in the world-soccer-cup-semi-finale I'll need some good things to concentrate on


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Wilsonista on July 02, 2006, 02:56:26 PM
Hey Alan,

one thing I would like to see  the Boys release (if it is at all possible): a DVD set of the 1989 Endless Summer series.

Sure, it is chalk full of the bad 80's hair and all of the acid-washed denim you could shake a stick at! But those performances of the BB and ESPECIALLY the Campfire singalongs were worth their weight in gold, I think. That's the show that made me a "Wilsonista".


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on July 03, 2006, 09:05:10 AM
The tapes for the Endless Summer TV show were lost in a fire.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dutchie on July 03, 2006, 09:44:02 AM
its still availible on a certain site. I bougth it 4 years ago.  ::)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on July 03, 2006, 09:46:31 AM
All DVDs claiming to be that TV show were recorded from television. The master tapes are lost.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Roger Ryan on July 03, 2006, 10:13:24 AM
All DVDs claiming to be that TV show were recorded from television. The master tapes are lost.

I know Alan included a bit of the campfire singalong in the intro video he put together for Brian's first solo tour (1999). Did this come from VHS or something, or were the master tapes destroyed more recently?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Matt Howlett on July 03, 2006, 10:53:25 AM
A short clip can also be seen on the Endless Harmony special. I believe they were singing "Surfin'".  I remember watching Endless Harmony and thinking that the quality of that segment seemed of poorer quality than other footage from that era. Perhaps the tape was taken from a personal collection???

BTW, as far as anything new being released. I am always up for concerts. The recent Hallmark cd was a great add to my collection, and I would love to see more "complete" concerts and videos from any year, whether it be the 60's or 90's. Footage from Beachago would be nice, even though as I understand some of it was lost.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Old Rake on July 04, 2006, 08:16:59 AM
Any word on a launch date?

I've got some money burning a hole in me pocket!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ken.W on July 04, 2006, 10:16:35 AM
.. seconded!

I think today ( .. the 4th's) been bandied about .. is it too much to hope for that it might be today?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ethan on July 04, 2006, 12:56:59 PM
No news as yet... let's give the guys time to get it done and done good........... as we know they will, but... urry up!!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dutchie on July 04, 2006, 02:18:24 PM
well knowing the bb it will take a few years  ;D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Aegir on July 04, 2006, 02:29:21 PM
well knowing the bb it will take a few years  ;D
Alan Boyd Presents Beach Boys Central, coming in 2043 to select cities


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: theCOD on July 06, 2006, 08:55:58 AM
Well, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the site supposed to have song downloads anyway? Why make it you have to pay for one of them?

We're dealing with THE BEACH BOYS. If it isn't painfully obvious to you now, it never will be.

Those crazy Beach Boys... always wanting to get paid for their work.  ::)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SG7 on July 06, 2006, 01:50:43 PM
Let's wait for 37 years  >:D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Wilsonista on July 11, 2006, 01:22:16 PM
Hey Alan,

I was wondering if you could settle something for us at the Other Board.

Who does the lead vocal on Can't Wait Too Long?

Hope all is well with you! :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on July 11, 2006, 02:03:30 PM
That's Brian.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Wilsonista on July 11, 2006, 02:07:51 PM
Thanks, Alan!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jardine Power! on July 15, 2006, 06:06:14 PM
Any word on a launch date?

I've got some money burning a hole in me pocket!

What he said...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SMiLEY on July 24, 2006, 12:50:38 PM
Alan--

We've been talking on another thread about the status of Durrie Park's acetates. Have you any info on them, or of plans to transfer them?

Also, on a related note -- has there been any progress on the finding the Oppenheimer reels?

Thanks -- can't wait for the website to go up!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dutchie on July 25, 2006, 12:29:04 PM
That's Brian.

Hi Alan good to see you again, hope all is well. I was only kidding about when the website will appear in function as well as the others  :bow

Any info you wanna share with us about upcoming BB projects  :thumbsup


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dan Lega on July 26, 2006, 07:00:15 AM

     In regards to the "Good Vibrations" firehouse video that will be on the upcoming "Pet Sounds" CD/DVD release, I have a question about what seemed to be another "Good Vibrations" video.  I seem to remember on the "Endless Harmony" documentary a shot of a woman cheerleader in a star spangled costume flouncing about while "Good Vibrations" was playing.  I remember thinking this must be a totally different "Good Vibrations" video, but it was only a snippet.  Can you shed any light on this other video for me, Alan?  Thanks.

         Love and merci,   Dan Lega


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: punkinhead on July 31, 2006, 01:57:26 PM
i was thinkin that was on the A&E bio...i think i remember it...Al is by a merry go round and a girl falls into his arms


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on July 31, 2006, 05:42:54 PM
I can't remember the specifics, but that alternate "Good Vibrations" video is from either 1968 or 1969, so it's not contemporary to the single release.


Title: Beach Boy Central...are we close??
Post by: doc smiley on August 01, 2006, 03:03:02 PM
Hey Al
Beach Boy Central...are we close to a opening?   After July 4th came and went I was real hopeful for Aug 1st...

Could you narrow it down any? ( the opening of the site  that is...).. I, for one, check every day....

Doc Smiley   :lol


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on August 01, 2006, 03:07:40 PM
I hope it is soon also.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on August 01, 2006, 08:18:04 PM
The Good Vibrations video is from a 1970 New Orleans TV show that the color Cottonfields clip also dates from.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dan Lega on August 02, 2006, 06:49:58 AM
The Good Vibrations video is from a 1970 New Orleans TV show that the color Cottonfields clip also dates from.


Thanks for this info.  Do you know more about it?  Such as... was it produced and shown only in New Orleans?  Was it a show only about the Beach Boys or did it have videos and music from other bands?  Where can we view the color Cottonfields clip?  (Because for some reason I'm not remembering that at all.)  Thanks.


        Love and merci,   Dan Lega


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on August 02, 2006, 01:37:50 PM
Those clips came from a 1970 TV show called "Something Else," hosted by John Byner.  We used a segment from "Cotton Fields" in the Endless Harmony film.

We're working hard on the website but I can't say for sure when it will be online.  We've still got many hurdles to jump over in order to have all of the features and product and goodies that we're envisioning....

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on August 02, 2006, 03:39:24 PM
The Good Vibrations video is from a 1970 New Orleans TV show that the color Cottonfields clip also dates from.


Thanks for this info.  Do you know more about it?  Such as... was it produced and shown only in New Orleans?  Was it a show only about the Beach Boys or did it have videos and music from other bands?  Where can we view the color Cottonfields clip?  (Because for some reason I'm not remembering that at all.)  Thanks.


        Love and merci,   Dan Lega

Thanks for filling in the blanks Alan. Anyhow glad I could help Dan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on August 09, 2006, 03:27:29 PM
Hey Alan, I was just looking over an old issue of ICE Magazine which ran a front page story on the upcoming "Endless Harmony" soundtrack release. Having not looked at it for 8 freakin' years, I totally forgot that a live version of I Can Hear Music was slated as a track (following the Breakaway demo). What happened to that track?

Also, since it says that the track was recorded in Cleveland in 1982, was it from the same 6/11/82 concert that Runaway was recorded at?

Thanks,
Bob Flory


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on August 09, 2006, 05:46:31 PM
Same show indeed.

The mix was rejected by the group.... it was kind of blah, and there wasn't time for a remix, unfortunately.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on August 09, 2006, 06:05:24 PM
Thanks Alan.

Still a great bio! I don't give a crap what Domenic Priore thinks! The guy lives with his head up his ass most of time, anyway!

Bob F.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on August 10, 2006, 05:46:37 AM
Hey Alan,
there's a clip in EH where carl sings his part of "surfer girl" alone. It sounds very beautiful. From when is this and was this a proffesional film or kinda homevideo?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on August 10, 2006, 01:23:19 PM
I took that shot of Carl singing "Surfer Girl" with an 8mm home video camera during the rehearsals for the Nashville Fan Fair concert in 1996.

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on August 10, 2006, 03:36:08 PM
Thanks for the answer (and thanks for recording that ). I hope it will be available on the new site, if it exists in complete form. It sounds so beautiful that I could cry every time I hear it.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on August 10, 2006, 09:19:18 PM
Alan, we are discussing the track "Sunshine" from KTSA with Peter Carlin in his thread, tyring to figure when "Little Girl was recorded. A version of Little Girl was recorded at Mike's in the spring of '79 at the session for "Skatetown USA". Jeff Peters engineered both (Carl is heard talking to him). Was there another version cut at Western in July?

Also, did the guys cut a version of the old Corsair's doo wop hit "Smokey Places" for KTSA? I know they lifted the opening harmony block for use in "Sunshine".

Thanks,
Bob Flory


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 11, 2006, 04:26:47 AM
"Little Girl" was one of the four tracks laid down during the initial KTSA sessions at Western, July 24-29 1979. The other three were "School Day", "Jamaica Farewell" & "Stranded In The Jungle".

Other tracks recorded for the album but either not used or incoporated into others are:

Surfer Suzie (comp. Carter)
Goin' To The Beach
Boys & Girls
Starbaby
How's About A Little Bit (Of Your Sweet Lovin') ?
I'll Always Love You (Barry Mann)
Johnny B. Goode (Dennis on drums)
Da Doo Ron Ron (Carl lead vocal)
Smokey Places

Other archive tracks in the mix:

Loop De Loop
Been Way Too Long (some recording was done on this !)
San Miguel
The Lord's Prayer


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on August 11, 2006, 08:32:19 AM
Thanks, Mr. Doe! I guess that they did record 2 versions of the track.

Also,you listed the following as KTSA songs for possible inclusions:

Starbaby
How's About A Little Bit (Of Your Sweet Lovin')

Even after Celebration had released them the year before? Man, these guys were really scraping. Sounds like a Mike thing. I have always heard that Surfer Suzi was great and the reason it wasn't used was because a "group" member didn't write it.

As we say on this side of the pond.............IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING!



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on August 11, 2006, 12:43:27 PM
Actually, "Smokey Places" sounds sort of like the foundation for "Sunshine."  It has a piece of thet "Dum dum, dumbee dum be doo..." section sung by Brian.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 11, 2006, 02:57:03 PM
Thanks, Mr. Doe! I guess that they did record 2 versions of the track.

Also,you listed the following as KTSA songs for possible inclusions:

Starbaby
How's About A Little Bit (Of Your Sweet Lovin')

Even after Celebration had released them the year before? Man, these guys were really scraping. Sounds like a Mike thing. I have always heard that Surfer Suzi was great and the reason it wasn't used was because a "group" member didn't write it.

As we say on this side of the pond.............IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING!



"Surfer Suzie" is pretty good. I'm told it wasn't included because Eddie wouldn't give up the credit.

Re: "Sunshine/Little Girl/Smokey Places", Bruce has something to say about it all in the liners to the KTSA/BB85 2fer.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: HeyJude on August 11, 2006, 05:41:21 PM
Thanks, Mr. Doe! I guess that they did record 2 versions of the track.

Also,you listed the following as KTSA songs for possible inclusions:

Starbaby
How's About A Little Bit (Of Your Sweet Lovin')

Even after Celebration had released them the year before? Man, these guys were really scraping. Sounds like a Mike thing. I have always heard that Surfer Suzi was great and the reason it wasn't used was because a "group" member didn't write it.

As we say on this side of the pond.............IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING!



"Surfer Suzie" is pretty good. I'm told it wasn't included because Eddie wouldn't give up the credit.

Re: "Sunshine/Little Girl/Smokey Places", Bruce has something to say about it all in the liners to the KTSA/BB85 2fer.

The reasoning for not using "Surfer Suzie" is especially odd considering as recently as the "MIU Album", they had recorded a non-oldie, a presumably new composition, by people outside of the band (namely "Winds of Change"). More puzzling is the decision making that led them to choose "When Girls Get Together" over "Can't Wait Too Long."

Regarding recording "How's About..." after it was released by Celebration, that doesn't surprise me. Brian, supposedly during more or less "solo" sessions in 1980, cut another backing track for "Shortenin' Bread" despite the numerous previous recordings and release the year before on "LA (Light Album)." (I believe he also cut a backing track for "My Solution" during this time as well).


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on August 11, 2006, 09:54:58 PM
I remember reading a Nick Kent article where Brian gets mad when he mentiones on of the KTSA songs yelling that he hates it. Any ideas on what that might be.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on August 12, 2006, 04:24:17 AM
I remember reading a Nick Kent article where Brian gets mad when he mentiones on of the KTSA songs yelling that he hates it. Any ideas on what that might be.

I would like to know that too. I believe Brian said Bruce put it on the album.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 12, 2006, 04:35:38 AM
I remember reading a Nick Kent article where Brian gets mad when he mentiones on of the KTSA songs yelling that he hates it. Any ideas on what that might be.

I would like to know that too. I believe Brian said Bruce put it on the album.

Um. I'm thinking either "Endless Harmony" or "When Girls Get Together". Problem is, I can't see Nick Kent liking either of those two.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on August 12, 2006, 01:54:38 PM
Watching the Going Platinum special about the making of KTSA, Brian seems to be just putting in his time, regardless of Ben  Fong Torres narative that Brian was really enjoying himself. "Going To The Beach" is killer in the version played in the special. It blows me away that it wasn't used for the LP.

Also, can anyone freaking understand how you could not release KTSA as a single (even if you had to remix it and puch it up). It was a natural. But, then again the group always seems to throw songs away that could be hits. Go Figure.

Bob Flory


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on August 12, 2006, 02:02:34 PM


Also, can anyone freaking understand how you could not release KTSA as a single (even if you had to remix it and puch it up). It was a natural. But, then again the group always seems to throw songs away that could be hits. Go Figure.

Bob Flory

Same with "California calling", which might have one of the worst lyrics in a BB-song, but it would have made a sure hit, too.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on August 13, 2006, 04:16:23 PM
I remember reading a Nick Kent article where Brian gets mad when he mentiones on of the KTSA songs yelling that he hates it. Any ideas on what that might be.

I would like to know that too. I believe Brian said Bruce put it on the album.

Um. I'm thinking either "Endless Harmony" or "When Girls Get Together". Problem is, I can't see Nick Kent liking either of those two.

Those were my top two guesses. Perhaps it was one Livin With A Heartache?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on August 13, 2006, 05:33:52 PM
I remember reading a Nick Kent article where Brian gets mad when he mentiones on of the KTSA songs yelling that he hates it. Any ideas on what that might be.

I would like to know that too. I believe Brian said Bruce put it on the album.

Um. I'm thinking either "Endless Harmony" or "When Girls Get Together". Problem is, I can't see Nick Kent liking either of those two.

Those were my top two guesses. Perhaps it was one Livin With A Heartache?

I would think it was "When Girls Get Together", because Nick Kent asked Brian why he put it on the album..since Kent knew Bruce was the producer, I doubt he would've asked Brian why HE (Brian) put a song on the album unless it was one that he (Brian) wrote.  It also makes sense that among the Brian-written songs, that would be the one Brian least liked at that time, because it was the oldest. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: al on August 13, 2006, 05:47:33 PM
I remember that interview (I'm sure I still have it somewhere) - it was 'When GIrls Get Together' that was mentioned.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on August 13, 2006, 05:49:43 PM
Actually I have two versions of the interview and it isn't mentioned but I think WGGT is the best guess. I am not a fan of it either.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 14, 2006, 01:01:32 AM
I remember that interview (I'm sure I still have it somewhere) - it was 'When GIrls Get Together' that was mentioned.
The original interview was in NME, 1980, and no title was mentioned, just Nick saying he asked Brian about a song he particularly liked on the album and Brian , er, responded somewhat forcefully.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: memoryman on August 16, 2006, 05:31:27 AM
i have a question for alan. as i understand it, an 8 track comp tape from december '66 was discovered during the "hawthorne" vault search which contains the verse vocals for heroes and villains that appear on smiley smile. i noticed that the organ overdub for this section turns up only on the 5th vocal overdub on sot 17. does this organ part (the short fanfare that accompanies the trombone flutter) appear on the unlabelled comp tape? if not, are there only 4 vocal overdubs on the tape?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: memoryman on August 16, 2006, 09:51:20 PM
Also, is there any evidence that the master take of the "eggs and grits" section has been snipped off (a la Old Master Painter) for a comp tape?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on August 23, 2006, 09:14:53 PM
Hey Alan, when we talked a few years agp we discussed the 1-77 concerts that were video taped. I forgot to ask but do you have a theory as to why Brian and Mike yelled at each other before "Back Home"?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dancing Bear on August 24, 2006, 04:01:53 AM
I'm not Alan, but I'll add my two cents... It looked to me like Mike was doing a pantomime.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on August 27, 2006, 08:28:04 PM
Quote
The original interview was in NME, 1980, and no title was mentioned, just Nick saying he asked Brian about a song he particularly liked on the album and Brian , er, responded somewhat forcefully.

Andrew, wasn't there a picture in that article of Brian and Debbie Keil? If you have the article and scan that pic for posting, I'd really be thankful.

Bob F.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on September 07, 2006, 09:18:31 AM
Alan,

Getting back to Been Way Too Long….what sort of additional recording was there during the KTSA sessions?  Did the Linett assembly from the boxset cover all the bases, or is there other fragments?

Also, since the question kind of got missed, have you or anyone gotten your hands on Durrie Parks’ Smile acetates?

Thanks!



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: chris.metcalfe on September 10, 2006, 11:38:49 PM
I remember that interview (I'm sure I still have it somewhere) - it was 'When GIrls Get Together' that was mentioned.
The original interview was in NME, 1980, and no title was mentioned, just Nick saying he asked Brian about a song he particularly liked on the album and Brian , er, responded somewhat forcefully.

It was WGGT, and I think I remember why. Nick Kent also reviewed the KTSA album for NME, either the same issue or one immediately before, and said that the only track he really liked was WGGT. The great thing about Nick's BB reviewing in this era - apart from the fact that he was about the only NME writer in the late 70s remotely interested in the BB! - was that he actually knew very little about the background to the archive tracks - Good Time on BBLY being another example (none of us did really until around 1980 when info began to emerge), and his thoughts were totally based on what he heard and very revealing as a result!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 11, 2006, 01:13:46 AM
My memory is that he reckoned it was their best album since Sunflower...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dan Lega on September 27, 2006, 01:23:32 PM
     Hi, Alan!  It seems like a very long wait for the Beach Boys Central Store to open!  I hope the delay is because you plan on opening up with a bang.  I thinking of something along the lines of instrumental only and vocal only mixes for every album to start the sale?   Am I right?    :3d    (Or am I just looking through rose colored glasses?)


      Love and merci,   Dan Lega


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: GoofyJeff on September 27, 2006, 02:36:07 PM
Hey Alan... killer lead on "Long Promised Road" on Adam's myspace...  can't wait to hear the album.   Keep in touch bud, hope all is well   :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: humanoidboogie on October 13, 2006, 04:31:01 PM
I don't want to sound impatient, but any word on the web site yet?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Zander on October 24, 2006, 08:37:30 AM
Hi Alan,

Just a quick question, I was listening to disc two on the Hawthorne CD last night and the interview segments with Bruce on Wild Honey and Al & Brian on Dennis. Were these extended / left over clips from the Endless Harmony film?

If so, how much of the interviews from Endless Harmony ended up on the cutting room floor? There must have been loads that you could have added in on the DVD for extras, for instance the group discussing Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, So Tough etc?!!

Were there any edits / cuts that you really didn't wanna make to the film?

Zander


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dutchie on January 07, 2007, 09:59:52 AM
Hi Alan, any chanche chancing the picture of beachboyscentral. Been looking to this for about 6 months. Any info when the site will be up.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: grillo on January 11, 2007, 01:09:40 PM
Hey, I was wondering if you, or anybody has any information on the Sping demo "Walls". I assume that's Rocky singing, but I also here a good-voiced Brian singing during the 2nd half of the tune. When does this track date from? Any other info would be great. P.S. Sorry if this was covered somewhere already!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 12, 2007, 09:05:40 AM
Hey, I was wondering if you, or anybody has any information on the Sping demo "Walls". I assume that's Rocky singing, but I also here a good-voiced Brian singing during the 2nd half of the tune. When does this track date from? Any other info would be great. P.S. Sorry if this was covered somewhere already!

The vocals are by  composers David Sandler & Brian. The recording dates from late 1971/early 1972. Ish.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: grillo on January 12, 2007, 02:29:35 PM
What's the deal with Sandler? He seems to be the least known of Brian's collaborators, yet he helped write sme amazing songs on the Spring album. Does he still exist? What else did he do. Where did he come from? Etc. etc.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: the captain on January 12, 2007, 02:34:55 PM
The Carlin book has a bit about him, including interviews, I believe. And if I'm not mistaken, it says he's a native Minnesotan, as all truly brilliant people are...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 13, 2007, 01:12:31 AM
Still active with the band Northern Light. Check out their website.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ethan on January 13, 2007, 08:35:20 AM
Just listened to the sound clips for thier album '49th Parallel'.... sounds great, anyone (AGD?) heard the whole thing?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on January 16, 2007, 04:51:40 AM
Hi Alan,
just thought I ask you if the Brian-Al-shows were recorded (filmed) and will be released? Maybe a whole concert and not just the Pet Sounds-part ?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: grillo on January 26, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
Hi Allen,
Not sure if you are the right guy to answer this, but I was listening to my local oldies station when Cal.Girls came on. But not just any CG, the stereo CG! I've also noticed the radio playing GOK in stereo, and maybe a few others. What I was wondering is; Where do most radio stations get there tunes from? Do they get updated material as it becomes available, or is it up to each station to stay up on these things? Just curious...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Wilsonista on January 26, 2007, 01:54:02 PM
I worked in radio for a short time. It depends. Sometimes the record companies send stuff out - other times the stations get music from comps CDs. Onee station I worked for didn't even have proper CD albums, just a series of comps that had radio edits of songs. Hell sometimes a station or network (these days) will even do their own edit, like the gawdawful butchering of  "Piano Man" I had heard on ABC's Oldies radio network yesterday! :smash


It's cool in a way to hear BB hits in stereo on the radio, but I do wish that they would play the corrected stereo mix of WIBN!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on January 26, 2007, 02:52:29 PM
Hi Allen,
Not sure if you are the right guy to answer this, but I was listening to my local oldies station when Cal.Girls came on. But not just any CG, the stereo CG! I've also noticed the radio playing GOK in stereo, and maybe a few others. What I was wondering is; Where do most radio stations get there tunes from? Do they get updated material as it becomes available, or is it up to each station to stay up on these things? Just curious...

Here's a radio station that plays only the "Still crusin"-version of IBN.

BTW Happy birthday Alan !


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: martin on February 05, 2007, 02:47:18 PM
assuming this turns out to be some massive online catalog that allows you to pick and choose whatever you want for a price will smile be a part of that?

does brian and his medical staff have the end all say all final word on any possible vintage smile session release or can he be out voted on releasing locked up material from that project?

alan (or anyone really) assuming the smile sessions will be released through the bb central project is their any reason to assume that we will be hearing anything new? i'm assuming we're at the brick wall so to speak with hearing vintage smile sessions and any future official release through this project will just be better quality mixes that are superior to the vast bootleg collection that is available.

alan are you guys going outside of the vaults to look for bb material? hopefully you have some sort of sting operation plan in order for getting after the durrie parks tapes. hopefully before i die, i will get a chance to listen to whatever she has had tucked away for all these years.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 07, 2007, 10:21:39 AM
Medical staff?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: martin on February 09, 2007, 07:48:46 PM
Medical staff?

oh it is just a little jab, the guy doesnt seem all there most of the time so i assume he has a small group of people who pitch him ideas or to help the decision making process move more quickly.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 09, 2007, 08:04:39 PM
The Brian and Al shows were recorded, and we had a small crew filming/documenting the rehearsals at UCLA, although the shows themselves weren't filmed (the cost of clearing the venue, union regulations, etc, was just too high).    I don't know of any plans at the moment to put something together from all that, but for the time being I'm just glad we got some solid documentation!

Smile Sessions?  I haven't heard of any developments on that front....

And yes, we do go outside the vaults to locate and accquire material, both audio and video/film.   We're about to do some preservation work on some old film elements that have been lent to us, and we've happily purchased safety masters of missing audio reels in the past. 

Regarding radio - I imagine that they end up using the latest CDs they can get a hold of (or are sent to them by the label).  My guess is that SOUNDS OF SUMMER has become the "Source Master" for most oldies stations playing BB tunes, and that's a project where it was decided to go for stereo wherever possible.  Incidentally, the new Capitol comp coming out in May features some sparkling new stereo mixes of a handful of 1964-65 tracks.    Wait til you hear Please Let Me Wonder on there....

David Sandler is still around - the magazine OPEN SKY had a great interview with him a couple of years ago.

STILL working on the website.  Lots and lots of legal, publishing, rights things that are being worked out at present.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: martin on February 12, 2007, 09:25:56 AM
Smile Sessions?  I haven't heard of any developments on that front....

 :(

oh well, good luck with the rest of the site.

i assume you mean legal developments so with that said anything exciting happening with the listening and organization going on with the smile tapes or have you not even touched them as of yet?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on February 14, 2007, 07:28:04 AM
The new Capitol comp is Warmth of the Sun?  Will there be a CD/DVD edition as was done with Sounds of Summer - love to see more of the Central Park 1971 concert as a bonus DVD, or other 60's clips.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jonas on February 14, 2007, 10:34:00 AM
This is great news, Alan! Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Don't Back Down on February 14, 2007, 06:09:22 PM
Mr. Boyd, do you know anything about this? :

"They (The Beach Boys) also have a new, as yet untitled, album ready for release, possibly by summer, which contains 14 songs." From a link (http://www.smileysmile.net/index.php/upcoming_releases_from_bbs_and_mike_love) from the bottom of the page. Is this the new "Warmth of the Sun" compilation?

Thanks! :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Aegir on February 14, 2007, 10:51:15 PM
I've learned not to trust news reports. Al probably told a reporter that it was going to be a Beach Boys reunion album or something.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 14, 2007, 11:58:01 PM
"Even though the last of the band's four No. 1 hits was "Kokomo" in 1988, they're still recording. Last summer, the Beach Boys released an album through Hallmark entitled "Songs From Here and Back."

They also have a new, as yet untitled, album ready for release, possibly by summer, which contains 14 songs."

Seeing as Songs From Here And Back contained precisely no new BB recordings, I'm highly dubious about the accuracy of the rest of this 'scoop'. Any album to carry the BB banner cannot be new recordings unless Mike, Bruce, Brian & Alan have been doing something covert. It's not WOTS, that's got about 30 tracks.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Malc on February 15, 2007, 01:04:27 AM
Mr. Boyd, do you know anything about this? :

"They (The Beach Boys) also have a new, as yet untitled, album ready for release, possibly by summer, which contains 14 songs." From a link (http://www.smileysmile.net/index.php/upcoming_releases_from_bbs_and_mike_love) from the bottom of the page. Is this the new "Warmth of the Sun" compilation?

Thanks! :)

Surely this is simply the projected "Mike Love Not War / Unleash The Love" ongoing project - under the guise of the Beach Boys Band, tho' it'll undoubtedly appear as a 'solo' effort to avoid the legal issues.  :-\


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: The Shift on February 15, 2007, 02:15:28 AM
It's not WOTS, that's got about 30 tracks.

Has information been released about this? Can you share?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Don't Back Down on February 15, 2007, 08:03:21 AM
Mr. Boyd, do you know anything about this? :

"They (The Beach Boys) also have a new, as yet untitled, album ready for release, possibly by summer, which contains 14 songs." From a link (http://www.smileysmile.net/index.php/upcoming_releases_from_bbs_and_mike_love) from the bottom of the page. Is this the new "Warmth of the Sun" compilation?

Thanks! :)

Surely this is simply the projected "Mike Love Not War / Unleash The Love" ongoing project - under the guise of the Beach Boys Band, tho' it'll undoubtedly appear as a 'solo' effort to avoid the legal issues.  :-\

I don't think it is, because they discussed that too: "Love himself is set to come out with an album that harkens back to the India days of the Beach Boys and Beatles, called "Pisces Brothers."

Buy hey, who knows?

AGD: Yeah I didn't think it would be WOTS, I figured it would be more than 14 tracks.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 15, 2007, 03:30:34 PM
I don't know anything about a new 14 track BB album, but the new Capitol comp is finished and will be out in the spring.  28 songs, a solid collection that should complement Sounds of Suummer nicely, and hopefully this new CD will get some of the folks who enjoyed that album deeper into the BB catalog.  Nothing unreleased on this line-up, but there are some gorgeous new stereo mixes....


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on February 15, 2007, 04:08:35 PM
Hey Alan, did you see the following post on the blueboard?

Quote
I have unreleased video from 1969

(posted by Terry Kath on February 14, 2007 at 9:51 pm)

Message:

Hello everyone.

Can anyone please direct me to the most active Beach Boy related message boards or forums to discuss this?

This board seems to be very active, but out of respect to Brian, I would rather post further at another site.

Here's some general information on this video:

It was professionally filmed at the Olympia Theater in Paris, France on June 16, 1969. It was filmed in B&W and to my knowledge, it was never aired anywhere in the world.

The performers include:
Mike Love
Carl Wilson
Dennis Wilson
Al Jardine
Bruce Johnston
unknown bassist/keyboardist (same guy)
7 piece "orchestra" from the UK

The Set List:
Darlin'
Wouldn't It Be Nice
California Girls
I Can Hear Music


It's about 1 hour long and there are no commercials or breaks.

I can't seem to find any place on the web that mentions this concert or any indication that this footage has surfaced.

Your help is GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
TK





Quote
More info

(posted by Terry Kath on February 14, 2007 at 10:04 pm)

Message:

I'm not sure why the board edited my post. I posted the entire set list and it only displays the first 4 songs.

I'll try this again.

Here's the entire set list:

Darlin'
Wouldn't It Be Nice
California Girls
I Can Hear Music
(medley)
Warmth Of The Sun
Don't Worry Baby
Please Let Me Wonder
Surfer Girl
In My Room
(end medley)
I Get Around
Sloop John B
Do It Again
Break Away
The Nearest Faraway Place
Cotton Fields
Barbara Ann
God Only Knows
Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring
Good Vibrations
(encore)
Johnny Be Good w/Special Guests
Paul Revere & The Raiders
CUTS OFF>>>





I told that guy to come over here but I don't know if he will...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on February 16, 2007, 12:23:34 AM
As much as I enjoy the original mono mixes, I can't wait to hear the new stereo versions. "Please Let Me Wonder" - any chance you tell us the names of other titles?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: matt-zeus on February 16, 2007, 01:01:18 AM
Yes plese, I want to hear too! :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ebb and Flow on February 16, 2007, 01:17:54 AM
I'm glad we don't have to wait an eternity for more EH/Hawthorne-eque sets to get new mixes.  I'm really looking foward to this now.  Any tracklistings yet?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on February 18, 2007, 01:16:05 AM
Olympia Theater in Paris, France on June 16, 1969. It was filmed in B&W and to my knowledge, it was never aired anywhere in the world.

Check out "God Only Knows". Very sweet performance if you ask me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxI-P9CL9OQ


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Christian on February 18, 2007, 02:40:54 AM
Just like I saw them on June 14 in Berlin, Germany. Brings back wonderful memories! Thank you!




Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dan Lega on February 19, 2007, 12:57:17 PM

Thanks for that link!  I'd love to see this whole concert, and others like it from this time.  I'm dying to see Mike Love in his guru outfit singing "Fun, Fun, Fun" and "Barbara Ann".  (I wonder if he ever did "Long Tall Texan" in that get-up?!)

Alan, I hope you've got, or are trying to get hold of this video.  It's priceless.

Love and merci,  Dan Lega


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 19, 2007, 02:16:14 PM
Actually, it turns out that the French National Film and Television Archives hold a number of Beach Boys performances from the 1960s and 70s - that's definitely on our list of things to do....

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 20, 2007, 04:58:01 AM
Hopefully Henri Langlois & co took better care of videotape than they did film negative.  :-\


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on February 20, 2007, 05:57:57 AM
Alan - with all the collecting of film and videotape, and cataloguing of tapes, are there plans for more archival releases ala Hawthorne or the Endless Harmony DVD?  A more extensive "Anthology" type history of the beach Boys?  Or are the plans for this material to be used on the upcoming website for downloads and limited edition CD's and DVD's ordered through the website? 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: the captain on February 25, 2007, 04:25:41 PM
Mr. Boyd, a few of us have been discussing songwriting methods on a thread at the below link. I think I speak for everyone when I say we'd love to hear your thoughts on the subject.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=3526.0


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on February 27, 2007, 04:39:04 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, Luther - that's a cool thread!

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: grillo on March 29, 2007, 01:23:34 PM
Hey, I was just listening to little surfer girl on the box set and realized (not for the first time) that BW is asking for instruments that aren't on the mix we hear to be turned up in his earphones. So, is there more to this song that a different mix could reveal? Also, do we know who this was intended for (The Honeys,I presume), as the pov seems to be of a girl .Sorry if this has already been covered...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on March 29, 2007, 10:37:56 PM
Watched Sights of Summer recently and it is done pretty well. A quick semi unrelated question. Why hasn't Monster Mash from the "Lost" concert been used anywhere and also are there any plans for any more DVD's soon?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on March 30, 2007, 11:12:19 AM
The publisher for "Monster Mash" wanted a great deal of money for a sync license for the "Lost Concert" DVD, and since the publishing licenses all had a "favored nations" clause (meaning that none of the owners of songs in the show were willing to take any LESS money than any of the other publishers) the song had to be deleted from the DVD edition of the film.  Otherwise the licenses would have so prohibitively expensive that SabuCat wouldn't have been able to release the DVD at all.

There is talk about some sort of DVD that may come out in the wake of WARMTH OF THE SUN, but nothing definite has been worked out as of yet.  So far we've just had some coversations about possible content...

Alan


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ken.W on March 30, 2007, 11:33:18 AM
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Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dan Lega on March 30, 2007, 11:44:31 AM
Hey, I was just listening to little surfer girl on the box set and realized (not for the first time) that BW is asking for instruments that aren't on the mix we hear to be turned up in his earphones. So, is there more to this song that a different mix could reveal? Also, do we know who this was intended for (The Honeys,I presume), as the pov seems to be of a girl .Sorry if this has already been covered...


I figured this was another song for "Bob and Bobbie", which is Bob Norberg and his girlfriend.  (Brian calls out to Bob during this take, doesn't he?  And what was the other song that Brian produced for Bob and Bobbie?)  To me, this song, "LIttle Surfer Girl", seems to be a duet for a guy and a girl, not just a song for a girl.  Listen to it again and see if you don't pick up that a guy would sing one line and a girl would sing another.  I'm hoping Bob Norberg, who apparently has some old tapes of he and Brian that have never been heard, has a more complete take of this song.  Of course this is the time to ask Alan Boyd if they've approached Bob Norberg about archiving his tapes!

         Love and merci,    Dan Lega


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Chris Brown on March 30, 2007, 11:50:16 AM
Hey, I was just listening to little surfer girl on the box set and realized (not for the first time) that BW is asking for instruments that aren't on the mix we hear to be turned up in his earphones. So, is there more to this song that a different mix could reveal? Also, do we know who this was intended for (The Honeys,I presume), as the pov seems to be of a girl .Sorry if this has already been covered...


I figured this was another song for "Bob and Bobbie", which is Bob Norberg and his girlfriend.  (Brian calls out to Bob during this take, doesn't he?  And what was the other song that Brian produced for Bob and Bobbie?)  To me, this song, "LIttle Surfer Girl", seems to be a duet for a guy and a girl, not just a song for a girl.  Listen to it again and see if you don't pick up that a guy would sing one line and a girl would sing another.  I'm hoping Bob Norberg, who apparently has some old tapes of he and Brian that have never been heard, has a more complete take of this song.  Of course this is the time to ask Alan Boyd if they've approached Bob Norberg about archiving his tapes!

         Love and merci,    Dan Lega

That brief little snippet has always been a mystery to me.  Brian sings something like "get on your board my big surfer boy, ride all the waves that come by, I'm on my board little surfer girl..."  So you're right it does seem like a duet, especially since the first two lines are sung in a higher voice than the "little surfer girl" line.  What gets me though is that those few lines are all we have on the GV box, and when it fades on there you can tell that Brian is still singing something.  Those lines can't be all there was to it. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: grillo on March 30, 2007, 01:10:54 PM
Good point about the duet nature of this tune. Linett just sort of answered this question on the Little Surfer Girl thread.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on March 30, 2007, 09:14:49 PM
The publisher for "Monster Mash" wanted a great deal of money for a sync license for the "Lost Concert" DVD, and since the publishing licenses all had a "favored nations" clause (meaning that none of the owners of songs in the show were willing to take any LESS money than any of the other publishers) the song had to be deleted from the DVD edition of the film.  Otherwise the licenses would have so prohibitively expensive that SabuCat wouldn't have been able to release the DVD at all.

There is talk about some sort of DVD that may come out in the wake of WARMTH OF THE SUN, but nothing definite has been worked out as of yet.  So far we've just had some coversations about possible content...

Alan

Thanks Alan, it's too bad when greed gets in the way of perserving history but at least we got the rest of the show.  Good luck on anything coming up.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Robbo on April 14, 2007, 08:35:52 AM
Hello Alan,

I was wondering if you could tell me what' tracks are on the Bob Norberg tape from 1963?
Thanks for your time, and keep up the good work.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: mikeyj on April 16, 2007, 06:00:25 AM
Mr. Boyd

Sorry if this has already been covered but approximately how many concerts are in the archives? And from what sort of eras are most of these concerts from?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on April 16, 2007, 10:47:07 PM
Alan speaking of the vaults what would most like to see release and what would you most desire to keep in the can.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: John on April 17, 2007, 06:40:59 AM
Mr. Boyd

Sorry if this has already been covered but approximately how many concerts are in the archives? And from what sort of eras are most of these concerts from?

I'd love to know this too, how many preofessionially recorded multitracks they have. The Beach Boys would be a great band for a Dick's Picks style program like the Dead have - the changing line-ups, the eras...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SloopJohnB on May 06, 2007, 08:32:45 AM
Hi Mr. Boyd, I wanted to know if you had more information than we do about this subject...

Do we know when Brian acquired the organ in 67?
Hi Mr. Desper, I hope you're doing well!

On this topic (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,3743.0.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,3743.0.html)) we're having a discussion about the Baldwin theater organ that Brian had in 1967...

Would you happen to know what model it was? I think it was either a HT2 or a HT2R, but I'm not sure. I would go for a HT2R since it looks like it and that it was introduced in '67...

Thanks a lot!  :)


COMMENT TO SLOOPJOHNB:  As far as I know his Baldwin arrived new. I think Brian found it in a store and had it delivered to the studio.  Since it was new, your best bet is by date.  The HT2 was introduced in 1964; the HT2R in 1967; and the HT2RM in 1969. All were Solid State Transistor Divider type sound generators. The HT2 series had the stop specification of a theater organ, not a church organ.  It was available in Walnut or White with Gold Trim.  Brian liked the look as well as the sound of the instrument.

COMMENT TO SLOOPJOHNB:  I don't know if it has been sold or not.  Ask Alan Boyd as he is closer to the situation. It was Brian's favorite, so he may have it somewhere in storage or in use. ~swd

Would you happen to know if Brian still has his white Baldwin organ somewhere? Thanks a lot!  :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on May 13, 2007, 02:50:37 AM
Hey Alan,
this question was on my mind for a long time:
Is there any more interview-footage of Willie Nelson talking about the Beach Boys and the "Warmth of the sun"-collaboration than what is released on "Nashville sounds" ?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ken.W on May 13, 2007, 09:35:28 AM
Hi, Alan.

Do you think that sometime soon, a boxset dedicated to all the 45's and E.P's ('A's & 'B's) that the 'boys put out in their career could be made available for retail or download?

I know a 6 disc ( .. or was it 5?) fanmade set made the rounds a few years ago, but I'd kill for an official box collection of all those lovely 45's.

All the best,
Yer 'umble servant,

Ken.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ian on May 13, 2007, 08:08:10 PM
Alan,
Since you have gone through all the tapes, is there documentation about exactly what concerts and dates the material on the 73 concert album derive from? I know that alot of outtake material on Endless Harmony came from the 72 Carnegie Hall show-were many of the album tracks from that same show?
Ian


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on May 17, 2007, 09:24:58 PM
I think Boyd has left this board for good. He got mad about a bootleg comment said he was out of here and hasn't posted since.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: SloopJohnB on May 18, 2007, 12:36:31 AM
I've seen him online recently but he didn't post anything since that bootleg comment...

(EDIT: hell no, I've just checked and he hasn't been active since April 16th!  :P)

If he left for good, it's quite sad. I, for one, will certainly miss his insight...  :-\


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on May 18, 2007, 01:08:03 AM
Oh yes, my idiotic bootleg comment... :'(
I wrote Mr. Boyd an email after that to excuse myself for this post.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ken.W on May 18, 2007, 01:32:42 PM
Oh yes, my idiotic bootleg comment... :'(
I wrote Mr. Boyd an email after that to excuse myself for this post.

Did you get a reply back, Jasper?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on May 19, 2007, 02:50:23 AM
I will say this and hope it won't be seen like I am knocking him but... if we went back some twenty years he most assuredly was thanking bootleggers himself.  I think by being so close to the vaults and personally trying  to make sense of them, he forgot what's it like to be an everyday collector. Now maybe the "real heroes" comment isn't tactful to say in front of him but he didn't have to take it so to heart. Again I am only saying how I feel and it does not take away from how much I admire his part in perserving the Beach Boys legacy

I will share a story with you where I could have gotten mad at him about something similar and didn't. One time many years ago he had asked if I knew how to how to contact Byron Priess. Well I looked for three days and got the contact info.  When we spoke next he nonchalantly said Brian Chidester got him the info. While I was a little perturbed that he completely overlooked the effort I had made, I went on to have a pleasant conversation with him. Everybody likes to get credit for the work they do, but I took the high road and realized that with his busy schedule it was an innocent oversight. I only share this story as I  think he should find it in his heart to forgive Jasper by placing himself in his shoes.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on May 20, 2007, 09:09:10 AM
Did you get a reply back, Jasper?

Yes. He answered that it wasn't just that comment that made him leave for awhile - enormous
amount of pressure lately - and that they tried hard to find ways to release some of this cool unreleased stuff in the past. He also mentioned that he has never quite gotten over the fact that a guest stole a comp tape at an open house.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on May 20, 2007, 08:47:59 PM
I am glad you heard back from him. Getting stuff stolen isn't cool at all.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 21, 2007, 12:10:14 AM
Sadly nothing new - in the UK Kingsley Abbott used to host an open house between Stomp conventions in the 80s (which is where I first met Alan, coincidentally), but stopped after someone stole some stuff. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on May 21, 2007, 03:28:59 AM
Kingsley did some good books of newspaper articles. He helped me find some rare records in the pre internet age.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on May 21, 2007, 04:36:08 AM
Kingsley did some good books of newspaper articles. He helped me find some rare records in the pre internet age.

Yes...I found "The Middle Years", in particular, most enjoyable & enlightening.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on May 21, 2007, 09:18:51 AM
Well I would hope Alan would come back to this board to announce any new releases or website BB projects with downloads, as this board still has the most BB fanatics anywhere who of course will buy the new releases (just like they buy or trade the bootlegs).

You have to realize that in Alan's position now, where he works to get unreleased stuff released, whether in new CD projects or online, he can't be too sympathetic to bottleggers releasing perhaps the very stuff he's been pushing to get out there.  Undermines his own efforts.  I'm sure that's a change from when he was just a fan/collector like the rest of us, and understandably so.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on May 21, 2007, 01:15:10 PM
I do think it's wrong when tapes are stolen etc. However I can't see how bootlegs hurt sales of something like Hawthrone Ca. Counterfits of the actual release I think would hurt Capitol or Alan bad, but real boots no. Anyone who buys boots is gonna buy the whole catalog anyhow. Just my 2 cents though again I stress that swiping a tape from someones possesion is plain wrong.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: the captain on May 21, 2007, 01:33:40 PM
I do think it's wrong when tapes are stolen etc.

That accounts for pretty much every studio boot ever, although I guess people argue some weren't so much stolen as "leaked." But I can completely understand any musician's frustration at having work they obviously don't consider representative being circulated, be it a financial problem for them or not. (And on the other hand, I am a hypocrite on this issue.)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Susan on May 21, 2007, 05:56:52 PM
And yet, knowing how Alan feels, and even agreeing, at least to a degree, you all still participate avidly in threads on this board and others that openly discuss bootlegs.  And you wonder why he doesn't want to participate anymore...?

The way i understand it, the open circulation and discussion of boots hurts a potential official release like this: The record company figures you've already got it, so why should they bother.  Period.  Doesn't make sense to us, but it makes all the cents in the world to them.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bicyclerider on May 21, 2007, 08:03:05 PM
Discussing bootlegs in a Beach Boys music forum is inevitable.  Glorifying and praising the bootleggers is what ticked Alan off.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Chris Moise on May 21, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
I do think it's wrong when tapes are stolen etc.

That accounts for pretty much every studio boot ever, although I guess people argue some weren't so much stolen as "leaked." But I can completely understand any musician's frustration at having work they obviously don't consider representative being circulated, be it a financial problem for them or not. (And on the other hand, I am a hypocrite on this issue.)

Not really, I doubt that many (if any) actual master tapes or session have been stolen. It's not like Alan can't get stuff released because the guy that put the Sea Of Tunes boots together is in possesion of the tapes. The boots come from dubs of tapes, acetates, etc.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Chris Moise on May 21, 2007, 09:59:38 PM
And yet, knowing how Alan feels, and even agreeing, at least to a degree, you all still participate avidly in threads on this board and others that openly discuss bootlegs.  And you wonder why he doesn't want to participate anymore...?

The way i understand it, the open circulation and discussion of boots hurts a potential official release like this: The record company figures you've already got it, so why should they bother.  Period.  Doesn't make sense to us, but it makes all the cents in the world to them.

That's absurd. There is no overlap between the Warmth Of The Sun comp and the bootlegs. Warmth Of The Sun has 5 recent remixes you can't get anywhere else. Anyone that is a big enough fan to pursue bootlegs or hang out here will certainly pick up the new comp for the remixes..


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on May 21, 2007, 10:15:00 PM
Even if Capitol released the Sea Of Tunes series as is (perhaps cleaned up a little with good booklets) everyone would buy them. Theft is wrong and I understand an artist feeling embarrassed, but they aren't always the best judges of their own work. It's not like a bootleg ever made somebody stop liking their favorite singer because of a bum note.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: matt-zeus on May 22, 2007, 01:09:53 AM
The Beach Boys have one of the biggest bootleg back catalogues of any band - and i'm talking studio stuff here, they've been in circulation since at least the late 70s, longer than many of us have been alive.
To be a Beach Boys fan and not come across bootlegs in one shape or form is nearly impossible, the fact that Smile was the greatest unreleased album of all time has not helped this matter and the bottom line is that for a long time a great deal of the Beach Boys critical reputation rested on essentially on Smile - a bootleg!!
Add to that numerous extra unreleased albums - Landlocked, Adult child, Sweet Insanity and the Paley sessions etc..., means that a great deal of the Beach Boys story is told through the unreleased material (and the fact that a significant portion of it is better quality-wise than the stuff that did come out at the same time, and thats not being contrary or a snobby fan), and it can't be denied that a lot of this bootleg stuff (Smile mostly) has helped to buoy their career for quite a while.
If they released all this stuff in great quality sound with sleevenotes and pictures, I would be the first in line to buy it all!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: the captain on May 22, 2007, 01:37:48 PM
Theft is wrong and I understand an artist feeling embarrassed, but they aren't always the best judges of their own work.

But an artist does have the right to release what he or she wants. I understand--and again, participate in--the desire for everything out there. I want to hear outtakes. I want to hear unreleased material. But I have no RIGHT to hear it. An artist has a right to release or not release whatever he or she sees fit, regardless of the artist's judgement on his or her own work.

Obviously, the Beach Boys are the kings of terrible judgement, having released inferior material time after time (after time after time). But that doesn't give someone else the right to illegally acquire it just because that listener deems his or her judgement as better than the artist's. Perhaps postmortem things are different, but I think a moral argument for bootlegs is shaky.

For Chris Moise: Yes, every studio bootleg is theft (unless leaked intentionally by that artist). The artist, label or studio owns the music on those recordings. So whether the tape (or files, these days) was physically removed or simply copied is irrelevant: it is theft regardless.



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Susan on May 22, 2007, 05:51:18 PM
And yet, knowing how Alan feels, and even agreeing, at least to a degree, you all still participate avidly in threads on this board and others that openly discuss bootlegs.  And you wonder why he doesn't want to participate anymore...?

The way i understand it, the open circulation and discussion of boots hurts a potential official release like this: The record company figures you've already got it, so why should they bother.  Period.  Doesn't make sense to us, but it makes all the cents in the world to them.

That's absurd. There is no overlap between the Warmth Of The Sun comp and the bootlegs. Warmth Of The Sun has 5 recent remixes you can't get anywhere else. Anyone that is a big enough fan to pursue bootlegs or hang out here will certainly pick up the new comp for the remixes..

I never mentioned TWOTS.  My comments had nothing to do with any particular release, and everything to do with the disappearing art of discretion.



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: pixletwin on May 22, 2007, 06:08:01 PM
I dunno. I (like many on here, I'm sure) own alot of BB bootlegs. But I am also sure I am not the only one who would buy official releases of the same stuff in a heart beat if they were ever released.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Susan on May 22, 2007, 06:51:01 PM
I dunno. I (like many on here, I'm sure) own alot of BB bootlegs. But I am also sure I am not the only one who would buy official releases of the same stuff in a heart beat if they were ever released.

But see, you're not the record company.  You're not the guy putting up the money for the release.  If you were, all you'd see would be a bunch of people who already have the stuff that's going to cost you a bunch of money to re-mix, sometimes remaster, and release, and they're talking about it freely all over the message boards..  Why should you release that material?  You can't KNOW that all those people are going to buy it - you have to assume, in fact, that they will NOT.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: the captain on May 22, 2007, 06:54:53 PM
There is a very simple solution to all this talk, of course. The administrators have the power to ban bootleg discussions, such as the Blueboard does; or they can enforce more strict regulations about bootleg discussions. For example, allowing people to discuss the content as if it were "out there," but not discuss trading, buying, selling, upcoming releases, etc. other than in PMs.

I would think either of these (of which I prefer the latter) would help avoid the sorts of comments that seem to have helped Mr. Boyd decide to take a leave from the board.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 22, 2007, 07:08:01 PM
Quote
The administrators have the power to ban bootleg discussions, such as the Blueboard does; or they can enforce more strict regulations about bootleg discussions. For example, allowing people to discuss the content as if it were "out there," but not discuss trading, buying, selling, upcoming releases, etc. other than in PMs.

That's going to be more enforced.
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,3654.msg61653.html#msg61653


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Chris Moise on May 22, 2007, 08:04:40 PM
Theft is wrong and I understand an artist feeling embarrassed, but they aren't always the best judges of their own work.

 For Chris Moise: Yes, every studio bootleg is theft (unless leaked intentionally by that artist). The artist, label or studio owns the music on those recordings. So whether the tape (or files, these days) was physically removed or simply copied is irrelevant: it is theft regardless.



I agree, I was just responding to the original poster who said "I do think it's wrong when tapes are stolen.."


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on May 22, 2007, 08:26:13 PM
Does a debate on bootlegs effect on sales break the rules? I don't want to post anymore about it if it does so please let us knoiw if this specifically is wrong.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 23, 2007, 12:13:47 AM
There is a very simple solution to all this talk, of course. The administrators have the power to ban bootleg discussions, such as the Blueboard does; or they can enforce more strict regulations about bootleg discussions. For example, allowing people to discuss the content as if it were "out there," but not discuss trading, buying, selling, upcoming releases, etc. other than in PMs.

I would think either of these (of which I prefer the latter) would help avoid the sorts of comments that seem to have helped Mr. Boyd decide to take a leave from the board.

Interesting point - thing is, the number of archive tracks that have 'leaked' by legit means is very, very, very small. Does even listening to an unreleased track without the artists OK technically constitute theft ?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: warnakey on May 23, 2007, 01:37:18 AM
I feel like I should speak up a little bit. I started a thread about bootlegs before the new rules were made. And I agree that it is much better if bootlegs are not discussed in the open.

Think about it.

This is the only forum on the web with this big a number of Beach Boys insiders who are willing to answer all of our questions and keep us updated on the happenings of the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson at present and future. In my opinion, thats awesome, and we should be doing everything we can to make sure these guests want to stay.

Mr. Boyd, if you do read this - I apologize if I angered you, but we all really do appreciate the work you are doing.


And another point - as a beach boys fanatic, there is a very, very strong desire to have in my possession every possible beach boys track possible and piece of memorabilia that I possibly can. But I, and just about anyone else who truly appreciates the Beach Boys music put official releases (especially ones like Endless Harmony, Hawthorne, CA, and Warmth of the Sun) in much higher esteem than bootlegs.

The bottom line is, out of respect, everyone should adhere to these new rules and try to appreciate our guests here as much as we can.

My .02


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Susan on May 23, 2007, 02:37:50 AM
There is a very simple solution to all this talk, of course. The administrators...can enforce more strict regulations about bootleg discussions. For example, allowing people to discuss the content as if it were "out there," but not discuss trading, buying, selling, upcoming releases, etc. other than in PMs.

This has always been my policy on Shut Down, and its previous incarnations.  There are ways to have the discussions that aren't counter-productive. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Exapno Mapcase on May 23, 2007, 02:50:13 AM
No bootlegs - no BWPS, no SMiLE tracks on the Good Vibes box, no Dylan Bootleg series, no official release of the Basement Tapes. And so on. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: pixletwin on May 23, 2007, 08:17:38 AM
I agree with everyone's point on both sides of the discussion but not talking about bootlegs won't make them go away and salman rushdie has a valid point, had bootlegs not existed we prolly wouldn't have alot of great official releases, which is counterintuitive to the point that it discourages record labels from releasing this stuff...

But there it is.  :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: the captain on May 23, 2007, 01:45:55 PM
There is a very simple solution to all this talk, of course. The administrators have the power to ban bootleg discussions, such as the Blueboard does; or they can enforce more strict regulations about bootleg discussions. For example, allowing people to discuss the content as if it were "out there," but not discuss trading, buying, selling, upcoming releases, etc. other than in PMs.

I would think either of these (of which I prefer the latter) would help avoid the sorts of comments that seem to have helped Mr. Boyd decide to take a leave from the board.

Interesting point - thing is, the number of archive tracks that have 'leaked' by legit means is very, very, very small. Does even listening to an unreleased track without the artists OK technically constitute theft ?

On the first point, I actually meant that to apply to the world of bootlegs on the whole, and these days there are plenty of (mostly indie) acts whose albums are suddenly available on various file-sharing networks quite intentionally. So those are boots, but they're intentionally leaked, not stolen.

Interesting question on the latter part, and I hadn't really thought about it. I would say no; the commerce surrounding and distribution of unreleased material is theft, but hearing something without sharing, trading, selling or buying couldn't reasonably be considered theft. It probably could still be argued to be problematic by some people, but not me. I don't think.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Black Tiger on May 23, 2007, 09:26:49 PM
No bootlegs - no BWPS, no SMiLE tracks on the Good Vibes box, no Dylan Bootleg series, no official release of the Basement Tapes. And so on. 

I second this. BWPS almost certainly would not exist if not for the boots. If no one here is actively trying to buy/sell bootlegs, what is the "harm" in discussing them? We can pretend like they don't exist, but they are out there anyway. Whether or not it's ethically right to download/trade/buy/sell music that artists don't want to be heard is one thing. But no one can claim that a bootleg has ever deprived the BB/BRI/etc of a single cent. It's not as if they're selling "Bamboo" and "Adult Child" boots down at the flea market with the 50 Cent CDs and Spiderman 3 DVDs.

It's only because of the bootlegs/bootleggers that the SMiLE myth was able to survive and grow for 35 years. In "Endless Harmony" Sean Lennon says Smile "is the most amazing thing I've ever heard." I'm sure he would never have heard it by listening to a bootleg.  ::)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on May 24, 2007, 12:07:29 AM
Black Tiger I agree with you but the moderators must have their reasons that we should respect.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: pixletwin on May 24, 2007, 12:30:52 PM
Black Tiger I agree with you but the moderators must have their reasons that we should respect.

In the end, that is all that matters.  :-X


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on May 25, 2007, 06:25:27 PM
I just wandered back here to see what was up and I'll admit I'm kind of amazed to see so much back and forth about all of this.  I suppose I should clarify a few things:

Yes, I did leave.  I DID take it personally when someone made a comment along the lines of "the bootleggers are the real heroes of BB-Land" or something to that effect.  This came on the heels of the release of another CD package that included a stack o' tracks that were swiped from my place when I held an open house for fans who'd made the long trek out here to LA for one of Betty Collignon's Carl Wilson Foundation weekends.   Please understand that the theft of that one cassette has caused me more hassle and heartache than many of you can imagine.  It's no fun having to explain, every time one of these bootlegs comes out, that I was the unwitting source of some of the material.  Without going into detail, I will say that it has caused some real problems. 

The truth is that everyone here is well aware that fans are out there trading tapes and tracks amongst themselves, and that's not really a problem.  If anything, the response to that is often something like "Really?  Why would anyone even WANT to hear THAT?"  Collectors and fans have been a great source of help and inspiration in the past - the Endless Harmony CD benefited greatly from the input of several fans and collectors, some of whom sent cassettes of especially rare items that I hadn't even heard (and I thought I knew it all) that prompted deeper vault searches, resulting in some nifty additions to that particular package.  Check out the "special thanks" on the credits of the CD reissue of EH and you'll see all sorts of people listed whose input, advice (and personal collections) helped to make that album a reality.  Other collectors have helped us to obtain copies of long-lost masters, and for that we're eternally grateful. 

Everything changes though, when people take it a step further and start marketing and selling illicit packages.  Sometimes that has the perverse effect of discouraging official releases, and with some of the strange politics that can flare up here in the "record biz" it becomes a royal pain-in-the-you-know-what.  It certainly makes it harder for all of us.

A few years ago I was able to get clearance (and it wasn't easy) to share a huge mass of unreleased material with the fans who attended Susan Lang's "Busy Doin' Something" gathering in CT, and despite the hassles involved (setting up listening stations with headphone amps was a bit of a chore) I thought it was well worth it.  It was wonderful to see the expression on people's faces when they heard some of that music for the first time.  It was set up as a surprise, but it worked, and everyone really appreciated it.  Unfortunately, within days someone posted on some website specific instructions on how to splice into the signal path and essentially "steal" the audio in case we ever did a repeat of that at another event, and that in itself guaranteed there will never be a next time.   Grrrr.

Finally, I also disappeared for awhile because of sheer burnout.   Which happens from time to time.  As Jasper noted, I have been swamped with work lately, and it's just wayyyy too easy to spend a lot of time looking over these message boards when about nine million other things need to be taken care of.... and I KNOW that has to be true for many of you as well!

Can't be the "Beached Boyd" all the time, you know (sorry, couldn't resist the pun).

Meanwhile (say, that could be the title of a song, hmmmm) we ARE working on some new projects that might be interesting.  Or not.  Can't say at this point.  Stay tuned.

And do check out Jasper's "Airplane Song" video on YouTube.    He did a great job with that one - it's really good.

Alan





Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on May 25, 2007, 07:27:37 PM
Good to have you back, Alan. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on May 25, 2007, 08:35:50 PM
The bootleggers ARE NOT THE HEREOS! People like Alan Boyd are. Even Cheryl Pawalski at Capitol (though she now works for Rhino) are OUR GUYS ON THE INSIDE. They get the music out.  Yes their is a bit of fanatasy abotu the "forbidden fruits" thing. But to go on the boards and tell people how to steal signals from audio playbacks. That is so far beyond anything that should go on it is pretty pitiful. Tapes or Cdrs get traded....ok..that always happens. And that prompts the record companies to get off their butts and do something with collectors in mind. But when out right theft is invovled (espeically from Alan, one of our own!) it borders on the unforgivable. Yeah, lets steal from the guys who help the music get out!

 And yes,  maybe Brian doesn't want some of the tracks out, but he also feels validation when people have heard the unreleased stuff and comment postivley on it. I can remember telling Alan Jardine that I thought Loop De Loop was a great great track. But this was in 1981. He thanked me and then stopped dead in his tracks and said "Hey, where did you hear that?" Do I tell him from a tape of Landlocked? Fortunately, he had played the track on British radio program and I also had a copy of that. So I said "from a British radio special". "Oh yeah....welll glad you liked it...I am gonna put it on our new comp (Ten Years Of Harmony)." But that didn't happen

I have rambled enough.....sorry...just tired. But it is great to see Alan back! Beach Boyd.......... :lol

Bob F.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: warnakey on May 25, 2007, 08:40:08 PM
Definitely good to have you back Alan. Just don't let us distract you from the real work.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on May 26, 2007, 12:31:34 AM
By the way, Cheryl Pawelski came back to help us with this massive EMI vault search we mounted a few years back, a sort of quest to find all of the first-generation masters (especially the singles).  She was amazing, incredibly helpful, and very devoted to the music and history there on all those reels of tape.  EMI's loss, Rhino's gain. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on May 26, 2007, 07:35:14 AM
Alan - on page 11 of "TWOTS" booklet...where did the cool picture of Carl playing the bass guitar come from?  I've seen that model or brand before, but can't quite put my finger on it...Gibson? Alembic? or something else?

Thanks


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: smile-holland on May 26, 2007, 08:26:30 AM
Great to see you back, mr. Boyd!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on May 26, 2007, 12:34:51 PM
Hey C-Man,

Not sure about the bass guitar itself - but that shot of Carl was taken in Al's barn during the KTSA sessions.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 26, 2007, 08:55:25 PM
Alan - on page 11 of "TWOTS" booklet...where did the cool picture of Carl playing the bass guitar come from?  I've seen that model or brand before, but can't quite put my finger on it...Gibson? Alembic? or something else?

Thanks

Huh ? Page 11 of my booklet is just track info.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: petsite on May 26, 2007, 09:51:15 PM
Not sure about the bass guitar itself - but that shot of Carl was taken in Al's barn during the KTSA sessions.  

I like the Alan Jardine and Mike photos from KTSA as well. I was hoping for a Brian photo then remembering how he looked during that time, it was probably best not to include it. The shot with Brian holding a photo of the rest of the group (from 1966) is being offered as a lithograph from Rhino if you order TWOTS from them.

Tempted........................................................then I will have 3 copies...................................Tempted...........................

Bob


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on May 26, 2007, 10:21:22 PM
Alan - on page 11 of "TWOTS" booklet...where did the cool picture of Carl playing the bass guitar come from?  I've seen that model or brand before, but can't quite put my finger on it...Gibson? Alembic? or something else?

Thanks

Huh ? Page 11 of my booklet is just track info.

Page 11, the one on the right side of the booklet's center spread, opposite the info for the tracks starting with "Friends".  Maybe the UK version is different?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ian on May 27, 2007, 07:46:09 AM
Alan, I was wondering about two things.  1) Do you have exact info on where and when all the songs on the Beach Boys 73 concert album were recorded? I know some came from a Carnegie Hall show.  2) I have found proof that the BBs a) Did not record Be Still on April 13 1968 or B) Child of Winter on Nov 18 1974.  They were playing gigs on the east coast on both days. Do you have the actual dates of these sessions?  Details- Although Badman recorded the Tampa and Sarasota gigs on Apr 13 1968 as canceled, they were not- I have a review of the Sarasota show- so Dennis clearly did not make a quick trip back to Cali for a session that day . On Nov 18 1974 the BBs were on tour and played a show in Syracuse, NY. Since they played the night before and the day after as well, it is  obvious that Child of Winter was not recorded that day, unless it was just Brian recording his parts that day
Ian


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: XY on May 27, 2007, 08:17:30 AM
And do check out Jasper's "Airplane Song" video on YouTube.    He did a great job with that one - it's really good.

Oh, thank you, Alan! :)
I apologize once again for my thoughtless comment and the trouble it caused.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 27, 2007, 08:50:29 AM
Alan - on page 11 of "TWOTS" booklet...where did the cool picture of Carl playing the bass guitar come from?  I've seen that model or brand before, but can't quite put my finger on it...Gibson? Alembic? or something else?

Thanks

Huh ? Page 11 of my booklet is just track info.

Page 11, the one on the right side of the booklet's center spread, opposite the info for the tracks starting with "Friends".  Maybe the UK version is different?

Must be - this is the UK booklet:

p2-3 - Pet Sounds promo shot (Brian w/mirror)
p4 - TV studio shot w/striped shirts circa 1964/5
p 7 - band inside circular entrance of building
p 8 - Pet Sounds promo film shoot photo (Brian & Alan)
p 13 - Hollywood Bowl shot (circa 1963)
p 15 - walking down steps, circa 1964
back cover - Hawaii 1967 rehearsals, gathered around Brian's Baldwin.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on May 27, 2007, 10:27:44 AM
Here's what's in the US booklet:

p2-3 - Pet Sounds promo shot (Brian w/mirror) - if you mean the one where Brian's holding a picture mirror of the other five guys
p4 - three shots:  Dennis w/shades & movie camera pointing toward Brian (SMiLE era) in color,
Alan relaxing with hands behind head (B&W) and a B&W shot of Brian & Mike at the Party! session
p 7 - band inside circular entrance of building
p 8 - three shots: a B&W of Brian w/bass guitar looking at the back of the "Surfer Girl" album cover, surrounded by fans; a color shot of Dennis playing keyboards onstage circa '72 or '73; Mike at a KTSA vocal session
p 11 - four shots: a B&W of Bruce in the studio control room (probably Party! or Pet Sounds sessions); a B&W of Mike writing down some lyrics in the contol room (Party! session); a color shot of Alan at a KTSA vocal session; and a color shot of Carl playing a bass guitar at a KTSA session
p 12 - Pet Sounds promo film shoot photo (Brian & Alan)
p 14-15 - various shots:  the touring group with flowers circa 1969, Dennis playing the drums onstage circa 1980 (both in color), and B&Ws of Brian sitting down on the drum riser playing bass guitar w/a parka on while Dennis, in a suit, looks at him while drumming; the group in striped shirts, '64, playing in a TV studio on individual risers (this is probably the "TV studio shot w/striped shirts circa 1964/5" appearing in the UK booklet); Brian at the piano, showing vocal parts to Bruce and Alan (Pet Sounds era), and a shot of Carl from around the same time
p 16 - Hollywood Bowl shot (circa 1963)
p 19 - walking down steps, circa 1964
back cover - Hawaii 1967 rehearsals, gathered around Brian's Baldwin.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 27, 2007, 10:37:55 AM
Gee, thanks EMI. Love you too.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 27, 2007, 11:10:10 AM
I understand that 25, 30, 40 years ago, The Beach Boys had different songs and albums that did better in one country than others, including the UK. But why I ask, in 2007, DECADES AFTER THAT FACT, are there different booklets for different countries? Is it really that necessary????


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on May 27, 2007, 11:14:45 AM
Gee, thanks EMI. Love you too.

Ah, but perhaps you Brits got more track info (recording dates, engineer credits, or what have you)...maybe you could give us an example of one of the entries, Andrew? 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 27, 2007, 11:33:26 AM
OK, to pick one at random...

18. Why Do Fools Fall In Love 2:08
[original 1964 mono single mix] (Frankie Lymon-Morris Levy)
Produced by Brian Wilson
Lead vocal: Brian
Single released: Capitol #5118 [B side to Fun, Fun, Fun] (2/1/64)
Highest Billboard Pop Chart position: #120 (debut 2/15/64)
From Capitol Records album #T-2027 SHUT DOWN, VOL 2 (released 3/23/64)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on May 27, 2007, 12:42:18 PM
OK, to pick one at random...

18. Why Do Fools Fall In Love 2:08
[original 1964 mono single mix] (Frankie Lymon-Morris Levy)
Produced by Brian Wilson
Lead vocal: Brian
Single released: Capitol #5118 [B side to Fun, Fun, Fun] (2/1/64)
Highest Billboard Pop Chart position: #120 (debut 2/15/64)
From Capitol Records album #T-2027 SHUT DOWN, VOL 2 (released 3/23/64)


Nope, same track info.  Sorry, old chap!  :) 
Well, maybe your photos are bigger, since there's fewer of 'em!



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Ian on May 27, 2007, 12:53:43 PM
For those interested- the shot of Brian with the Surfer Girl album surrounded by fans was taken by Don Paulson backstage at the New York Academy of Music on Feb 13 1965 for a Hit Parader article


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Susan on May 31, 2007, 05:00:54 PM
The shot with Brian holding a photo of the rest of the group (from 1966) is being offered as a lithograph from Rhino if you order TWOTS from them.

Seriously?  I couldn't find anything over there.  Got a link?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: kagentry on May 31, 2007, 06:38:00 PM
I found it here:

http://www.rhinorecords.cc/music-current.php (http://www.rhinorecords.cc/music-current.php)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Susan on May 31, 2007, 06:53:42 PM
Outstanding - thanks!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Robbo on June 07, 2007, 04:46:50 AM
Hello Alan,

I was wondering if you could tell me what' tracks are on the Bob Norberg tape from 1963?
Thanks for your time, and keep up the good work.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jonas on June 07, 2007, 10:26:43 AM
I feel like I should speak up a little bit. I started a thread about bootlegs before the new rules were made. And I agree that it is much better if bootlegs are not discussed in the open.

The bottom line is, out of respect, everyone should adhere to these new rules and try to appreciate our guests here as much as we can.

I'm not aware that these rules are "new" they've been around and enforced for a long time now. We've already removed a couple of your posts.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Steve on June 13, 2007, 02:24:25 AM
Alan--
First off, thanks for helping to make Endless Harmony and Hawthorne Blvd truly essential pieces in The Catalog.  Some of my favorite tracks reside there and I know I'm not alone. :thumbsup

I was wondering, what are the odds of some more of the Adult Child/"New Album" tracks seeing a legit release?  Still I Dream of It and It's Over Now Are KILLER!

For those keeping track, those remaining would be:
Marilyn Rovell
You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'
Sherry She Needs Me
Mony Mony
On Broadway
Life Is For The Living
Deep Purple
Everybody Wants To Live
Lines
It's Trying To Say


Add to that list the following unreleased '76-77 songs from AGD's page and it gets more interesting!
Clangin' (B. Wilson) - summer 1976
Gimme Some Lovin' (Davis) - early 1977
Gold Rush (Jardine) - 1/30-5/15/76
Hey There Moma (B. Wilson) - fall 1976
I'm Begging You Please (B. Wilson) - 10/6/78 & summer 1978
Lazy Lizzie (B. Wilson) - fall 1976
Let's Dance (Montez - Lee) - 4/27/76
Runnin' Bear (Preston - Richardson) - 4/14/76
Secret Love (Fain - Webster) - 1/30-5/15/76
Shake, Rattle & Roll (Calhoun) - 4/14//76
Short Skirts (B. Wilson) -1/30-5/15/76
10,000 Years Ago (Love) 1/30-5/15/76
That Special Feeling (B. Wilson) - fall 1976
We Gotta Groove (B. Wilson) - fall 1976
Workin' In A Coal Mine (Dorsey - Toussaint) - 1/30-5/15/76


Do we have to storm the Capitol or what?





Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: 49ersphil on September 09, 2007, 09:11:38 PM
If I can field this one for Alan, "Seasons" was tracked on the cusp of the Sunflower and Surf's Up Sessions in 1970.  (If Badman is to be believed anyway.)  Mike is quoted in that book as not liking it because he is not pleased with Carl's vocal and that the song is (paraphrased) "too wimpy for the Beach Boys" (!!!)

Here's a partial list of stuff the band cut in 1974.  Maybe Alan could elaborate on some of the mystery titles:

Share Your Love (Ricky Faatar track)
Shortenin' Bread
Clangin' (is this the same things as "Ding Dang"?)
Marcella (remake by Brian)
"Guitar demo" (Carl)
"Carl's Moog Riff" (Carl and Ricky)
Good Timin'
"Jam" (with Ricky Faatar)
Ding Dang
Is It Really Love? (not sure if this is the Beach Boys)
Birthday Greeting for Roger McGuinn
Foolin' (Ricky Faatar)
"Drum Song" (Ricky again)
"Carl demo"
Battle Hymn of the Republic
Hard Times aka Ding Dang (obviously not the earlier Blondie Chaplin song titled "Hard Times")
Our Life Our Love Our Land??
Don't Let Me Go??
Battle Hymn of the Republic (alternate take)
Child of Winter
Here Comes Santa Claus
It's OK
California Feeling (probably just a demo)
The River aka River Song (Dennis)
Honeycomb (Brian)
Take Me Out to the Ballgame (Dennis)
Baseball (Dennis - not the same song as "It's Trying to Say")
String Bass Song (early version of "Rainbows" according to AB)
Dennis Symphony
Rollin' Up to Heaven


Has anybody any info on the "Honeycomb" track mentioned here?
I believe that Roy Wood and Wizzard played on this track but I've never seen it on any release or bootleg.

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: MBE on September 09, 2007, 11:20:10 PM
Brian played it to reporter  David Felton in 1976. He described it as fairly good but I know nothing else about it.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on September 19, 2007, 03:48:16 PM
Regarding potential "New Album" inclusions:  Brian told the Old Grey Whistle Test in the late summer of '76 that he was planning on including "My Solution" (cut Halloween 1970). 

Regarding "California Feeling":  Bruce told Brad Elliott in 1981 that he was on "a couple of Beach Boys versions" (meaning, not the American Spring version from '78).  We know he's on the "L.A. (Light Album)" outtake version, which has been bootlegged...but this implies he's also on the version from '74/'75, meaning that may have been more than just a demo.  I say "it may have been" because it have have been lost in the fire of '85.  Or not. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 20, 2007, 03:30:41 AM
The basic track for "Honeycomb" was cut at the same session as "It's OK".

The "CF" 11/74 demo is just that - Brian & a piano. Cut at Western, I believe.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 20, 2007, 04:24:17 AM
So maybe Bruce was on a version the group wanted to put on the California Feelin' album against BW's wishes...

Hmmm.  If one was cut, then, of course. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: doc smiley on November 06, 2007, 08:13:02 AM
 :( :(

Silly question time Alan....

Beach Boys Central    is this idea and website dead?  or is it still plodding along towards..hmmm maybe summer '08?

an update... even a grey prediction would be appreciated.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on July 22, 2008, 11:28:44 AM
:( :(

Silly question time Alan....

Beach Boys Central    is this idea and website dead?  or is it still plodding along towards..hmmm maybe summer '08?

an update... even a grey prediction would be appreciated.


I wanted to ask the same. Are there any news you could give us?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jay on August 13, 2008, 11:01:15 PM
Here ya go:

TIL I DIE:
1 - Rythm King
2 - Lo vox
3 - bass
4 - RMI
5 - Organ
6 - Organ
7 - Gtr/drm
8 - Vox (different lyrics)
9 - Hi vox/vibes
10 - vibes
11 - bkg vox
12 - bkg vox
13 - more vox
14 - ore vox
15 - org/vox
16 - org/vox

Looks like this one had some dubdowns on the way to the final 16 track master.
I haven't really been following this thread, so forgive me if this has been answered. Mr. Boyd, I was wondering if you could be talked into telling us some of those different lyrics?  :)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dove Nested Towers on August 15, 2008, 04:24:57 PM
Hi,

This is my inaugural post so hello to everyone in the BB community.

Like everyone, I am curious about the additional lyrics to "'Til I Die" that are known to exist, but unfortunately it would probably be a breach of protocol to
post them here even if Alan knows them (don't mean to put words in his mouth, feel free to refute me if necessary).

Hopefully all true fans will get to hear them some day, in written or (oh joy!) musical form.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Alan Boyd on August 30, 2008, 07:29:35 PM
Actually, they've been published before.... and yet, I can't remember them completely off the top of my head.

The only differences (at least on the existing 16 track master we have) are in the parts where Brian sings solo.  Instead of "I lost my way," for example, the alternate lyrics are along the lines of, "I"ll find my way...."   The alternate lyrics seem to have been an attempt to make the song's message a bit more positive. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 31, 2008, 01:10:48 AM
Actually, they've been published before.... and yet, I can't remember them completely off the top of my head.

The only differences (at least on the existing 16 track master we have) are in the parts where Brian sings solo.  Instead of "I lost my way," for example, the alternate lyrics are along the lines of, "I"ll find my way...."   The alternate lyrics seem to have been an attempt to make the song's message a bit more positive. 

The other difference mentioned to me was "it fills my soul" as opposed to "it kills my soul".

Then, of course, there's the original lyric that's lost forever as Steve Desper didn't have time to set up a slave when Brian wanted to cut a new vocal with revised lyrics. So he just recorded over the top of them.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Stephen W. Desper on September 09, 2008, 08:18:22 AM
Actually, they've been published before.... and yet, I can't remember them completely off the top of my head.

The only differences (at least on the existing 16 track master we have) are in the parts where Brian sings solo.  Instead of "I lost my way," for example, the alternate lyrics are along the lines of, "I"ll find my way...."   The alternate lyrics seem to have been an attempt to make the song's message a bit more positive. 

The other difference mentioned to me was "it fills my soul" as opposed to "it kills my soul".

Then, of course, there's the original lyric that's lost forever as Steve Desper didn't have time to set up a slave when Brian wanted to cut a new vocal with revised lyrics. So he just recorded over the top of them.

COMMENT:  I'm not certain about the above.  Yes, I did record over the original lyric that Brian layed down, so that performance was lost.  However, Alan told me recently that he found an early test mix that had this very performance of the original vocal by Brian on it, but it was an early mix with little instrumentation.  So the performance has been lost, but not the words.  ~swd


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Sam_BFC on September 09, 2008, 01:12:25 PM
So can Mr Boyd reveal these words?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Stephen W. Desper on September 09, 2008, 09:18:55 PM
So can Mr Boyd reveal these words?
COMMENT:   Sorry Alan.  Guess I put you on the spot. ~Steve D.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: John on October 23, 2008, 12:45:36 PM
Mr. Boyd, saw this on the Shut Down board re: the Roxy show - "I can't begin to describe how good it was. Hearing Carl's vocal parts isolated on songs such as 'Til I Die was pure heaven."

What other songs did you isolate Carl's vocal on?
And is it possible to isolate the other vocals on Til I Die?


I imagined they were recorded together. Something like that - four or however many versions of Til I Die featuring just the vocals by each individual Beach Boy would make for very interesting listening on the next archival release.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on October 23, 2008, 02:08:06 PM
Mr. Boyd, saw this on the Shut Down board re: the Roxy show - "I can't begin to describe how good it was. Hearing Carl's vocal parts isolated on songs such as 'Til I Die was pure heaven."

What other songs did you isolate Carl's vocal on?
And is it possible to isolate the other vocals on Til I Die?


I imagined they were recorded together. Something like that - four or however many versions of Til I Die featuring just the vocals by each individual Beach Boy would make for very interesting listening on the next archival release.


By the time they went to 8 and even more so 16-track, most of the time the lead vocal, and it's double it it had one, got its own track, so one could theoretically isolate almost any post 1968-69 lead vocal.  But they persisted in doing a lot of BG vocals together on the same track to the last days.

I've been pushing and hoping for weird releases like that, but it will not happen, unequivocally, it won't happen.

And it would never be enough, anyway.  Once you get a taste of "pure heaven" you can never have enough.  O, that we could hear the intimate glory of any vocal or instrumental part we'd like, but unless the almighty becomes the next CEO of EMI...

I really think the best hope for anything like this would be for the Beach Boys to do a promo iTunes release of discrete tracks from one song.  Radiohead have had much success releasing individual parts for fans to remix, for a contest.

To promote the next Singles box, or the next commemorative Pet Sounds re-release (as those seem the most likely next releases) EMI should put up all 16-tracks (or 8 or even 4) to download, let fans remix them, and have Brian pick a winner or something.

If it was to promote Pet Sounds, release the multis of, say, Wouldn't It Be Nice.  That would be, essentially 10 tracks, 3 instrumental and 7 vocal.

So not only would EMI get the hardcore fans excited, you'd also bring in non-fans, hip-hop producers who enjoy remixing.

That would be my plan.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: John on October 23, 2008, 03:24:59 PM
I totally agree, and thanks for the info.

I thought it uncommon that a close harmony lead like Til I Die would be viable to split up into component parts.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on November 09, 2008, 02:35:57 PM
Edit, nevermind.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jay on December 04, 2008, 07:59:23 PM
This may be a little "off limits" to talk about, but there is a section of isolated  Brian and Carl vocals from Till I Die that has been bootleged. I'm wondering what the story is about it getting booted.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Brian65 on December 18, 2008, 06:38:12 PM
Hey Alan I have question for you about The Little Honda Master Tapes, are there actual sessions for the basic track or is there only sessions for the vocals? .

I know the basic stereo track exists because it appeared on Stack-O-Tracks



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 23, 2009, 11:22:39 PM
My mind was just blown by logging in for the first time in ages and finding long posts I did about topics I totally put out of my mind, the posts dated three years ago to the week starting next week.

Has it been that long?

All I wanted to know was whether anyone had an explanation for the sudden drop in quality on Good Vibrations, heard most prominently in the organ part.



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on January 24, 2009, 08:25:50 AM
My mind was just blown by logging in for the first time in ages and finding long posts I did about topics I totally put out of my mind, the posts dated three years ago to the week starting next week.

Has it been that long?

All I wanted to know was whether anyone had an explanation for the sudden drop in quality on Good Vibrations, heard most prominently in the organ part.



Well, I don't know if I'd call it a drop in quality, so much as just a change in sonics, particularly level.  It's a very quiet part in the song, just organ and shaker, then vocals and finally some bass comes in on the deep end.  It was recorded months after the other sections, and then spliced in, but I don't think that has anything to with it really.  It's just got a different sonic character. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 24, 2009, 09:28:26 AM
My mind was just blown by logging in for the first time in ages and finding long posts I did about topics I totally put out of my mind, the posts dated three years ago to the week starting next week.

Has it been that long?

All I wanted to know was whether anyone had an explanation for the sudden drop in quality on Good Vibrations, heard most prominently in the organ part.




Well, I don't know if I'd call it a drop in quality, so much as just a change in sonics, particularly level.  It's a very quiet part in the song, just organ and shaker, then vocals and finally some bass comes in on the deep end.  It was recorded months after the other sections, and then spliced in, but I don't think that has anything to with it really.  It's just got a different sonic character. 


Not the quiet part at the end which is obviously an edit and fader moves, but instead the part just 6 or 7 seconds into the track where the entire sonic character changes and it almost seems to phase-shift a bit...not deliberate tape phasing though. It happens right under the end of the first vocal phrase. It is an obvious drop in quality, too.

Folks have noticed it and pointed it out before sometimes as a "mistake" that made it to the final mix, but I've never heard an explanation for what that is or what caused it.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jay on January 25, 2009, 11:37:05 PM
I believe I know the exact spot guitarfool2002 is talking about. It's right on the line "I hear the sound of a gentle word". It happens right on the drawn out "IIIII....". It's a weird pop/warble sound. I think I read somewhere that it's the result of an edit, but they couldn't make it any more "less obvious" for some reason.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on January 26, 2009, 05:23:29 AM
I believe I know the exact spot guitarfool2002 is talking about. It's right on the line "I hear the sound of a gentle word". It happens right on the drawn out "IIIII....". It's a weird pop/warble sound. I think I read somewhere that it's the result of an edit, but they couldn't make it any more "less obvious" for some reason.

Oh yeah, I know the part you're talking about.  Top of the second verse.  I believe it was a flutter that manifested itself when they transferred the 4-track instrumental backing to the 8-track master, prior to adding vocals.  I don't THINK it's present on the original 4-track, but I'll have to listen to "Unsurpassed Masters" to see.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Black Tiger on January 28, 2009, 02:03:55 PM
No, it's not the second verse, it's 5 seconds into the song.

Right after "clothes she wears" the organ drops off, it sounds sort like someone turned down the volume. There is a discussion of it here (starts at the bottom of the page, 3rd-to-last post):
http://s3.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=54492&threadid=560397 (http://s3.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=54492&threadid=560397)


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on January 28, 2009, 08:54:17 PM
No, it's not the second verse, it's 5 seconds into the song.

Right after "clothes she wears" the organ drops off, it sounds sort like someone turned down the volume. There is a discussion of it here (starts at the bottom of the page, 3rd-to-last post):
http://s3.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=54492&threadid=560397 (http://s3.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=54492&threadid=560397)

Hmmm...maybe Brian had two mixes of the song...and he really liked that punchy opening "I" from one mix, but liked the rest of the verse from another mix, so he edited that "I" on.  And there was a slight level difference between the two mixes that he was hoping no one would ever notice. 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 29, 2009, 08:01:31 AM
Heh heh...what part of "6 seconds into the song" am I not being clear about, C-Man? ;D  Just joking around...

I think it was a tape bounce/transfer issue because the vocals don't seem to phase out while the organ in particular phases terribly, but why was this allowed to stand uncorrected since it is so obvious to us?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: grillo on January 30, 2009, 04:44:41 PM
Don't forget, this song was mixed to be heard on crappy hi-fis and single speaker car radios, so weird phasing or eq mistakes would like go under the radar of the average guy, ie almost everyone but us. Personally I always thought a stop was pulled on the organ or Brian lowered its volume during the bounce down mix, and the rest of the mix worked so well he chose not to f%@k with trying to get that one part perfect.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on January 30, 2009, 07:41:58 PM
I just listened to the BBC Radio show "The Record Producers" (Brian Wilson episode) from last summer for the first time.  In it, Steve Levine mentions that Carl told him an interesting story regarding some damage to the first few seconds of the "Good Vibrations" master.  Although from his description, I would doubt this had anything to do with the level drop described in this thread, but ya never know...

The morning of the "Good Vibes" final mix (apparently EARLY morning, like 1:00 or 2:00 am), the "hub reel" containing the mono mixdown was accidentally rewound...the one thing you never, ever want to do to a "hub reel", as it contains no leader and nothing to stop the tape from spilling out onto the floor, which of course it did, crinkiling the first few seconds worth of tape in the process.  Brian and Carl frantically pressed the tape with their fingers & thumbs, trying to repair the little "crinkles".  Levine implied that Carl's opening "I" was damaged (he imitated a flanging sound), but I don't really hear it.  But I DID hear the level drop, starting with the words "clothes she wears". 

Weird story, huh?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Stephen W. Desper on April 15, 2009, 03:17:01 PM
I just listened to the BBC Radio show "The Record Producers" (Brian Wilson episode) from last summer for the first time.  In it, Steve Levine mentions that Carl told him an interesting story regarding some damage to the first few seconds of the "Good Vibrations" master.  Although from his description, I would doubt this had anything to do with the level drop described in this thread, but ya never know...

The morning of the "Good Vibes" final mix (apparently EARLY morning, like 1:00 or 2:00 am), the "hub reel" containing the mono mixdown was accidentally rewound...the one thing you never, ever want to do to a "hub reel", as it contains no leader and nothing to stop the tape from spilling out onto the floor, which of course it did, crinkling the first few seconds worth of tape in the process.  Brian and Carl frantically pressed the tape with their fingers & thumbs, trying to repair the little "crinkles".  Levine implied that Carl's opening "I" was damaged (he imitated a flanging sound), but I don't really hear it.  But I DID hear the level drop, starting with the words "clothes she wears". 

Weird story, huh?

COMMENT TO C-MAN:

Actually the hub reel is the tape wound onto the hub, ONLY no reel. It can, and usually does contain leader tape. If rewound, the  reel contains ONLY the tape. It is easy for it to spill out onto the floor, which is what happened.  Thereafter, someone stepped on the tape and made folds on it so that when, in playback, it moved by the playback head and was lifted off of the head whenever the tape passed over the head.  If you listen over headphones you can really hear the crinkles pass over the head.

This is tape on a reel:

(http://www.triggertone.com/images/flangedreel_01.jpg)


This is the same tape on a hub:

(http://www.triggertone.com/images/pancacke_01.jpg)

Both can be mounted onto a professional tape recorder and threaded through the mechanism.  It is common for leader tape to be included in the HUB wind.

Since there are no reel flanges to constrict the tape in REWIND, the hub is never rewound. It is only for storage after it has been stacked onto the hub in the PLAY mode, or motion.

Storage is common on the Hub only.  Why use a reel for longterm storage?  Reels are expensive.  So hub storage came about.  It is actually a throwback to motion picture practices of storing film on hubs.

Once the tape was creased, it was too late to correct.  As time went along, and many passes through the tape mechanism were done, the problem was less heard, but still there.

Just another episode in the continuing saga of Beach Boy sessions.  After all, if you are a recording artist for several decades, these stories will occur
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Good Listening, ~Stephen W. Desper

 


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on May 28, 2009, 01:43:22 PM
Hey Alan,

maybe you could shed some light on this:

Do you have the setlist for the '65 concert in Chicago? And will there be more songs released, maybe even the entire concert?

And are there any news about that concert in Paris in '69 that someone on the BW-messageboard came up with a few years ago?



Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: DonnyL on June 03, 2009, 12:00:30 PM
That volume drop in "good vibrations" sounds like someone bumped a mic or something (or some kind of low frequency rumble) and a slow-reacting compressor dropped the volume of everything for just a split second.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Rocker on August 30, 2009, 08:42:23 AM
Hi Mr Boyd,
as you make music yourself, I thought you might be interested about our SmileySmile-Members tribute to the Beach Boys, which should be finished around Halloween. It's in the "Smiley Smilers who make music"-section of this board under "SS.net tribute project"


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: c-man on August 30, 2009, 09:13:32 AM
That volume drop in "good vibrations" sounds like someone bumped a mic or something (or some kind of low frequency rumble) and a slow-reacting compressor dropped the volume of everything for just a split second.

Interestingly, I was chatting with Randall Kirsch backstage at a Beach Boys show this June, and he asked me if I had any idea what caused that apparently now infamous volume drop in "Good Vibes".  I resopnded with the various theories and Carl's story.  Mike Love was in the room, so Randall decided to ask him:  "Hey Mike!...".  Mike looked a little puzzled, but responded "That's the way Brian mixed it?" (his reply sounded more like a question, as if he was guessing but wasn't sure, which is why I added in the question mark).


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: bluerincon1 on October 04, 2009, 12:24:05 AM
I am wondering, why did Capitol/EMI choose to release the Brother/Reprise 12-track edition on vinyl instead of it own original 13-track international version.  I know that since both the single mix of "Cottonfields" and "Sunflower" were both issued by EMI, so "Cottonfields" was placed on the international edition to boost sales.  I think with it's addition, it makes for a stronger album.  I believe it does fit on the album.  It was recorded during the "Sunflower" era in August of 1969 and was placed on the reel titled "Last Capitol Album" with other tracks that wound up on "Sunflower."  I know it may not be what the Beach Boys wanted, but Paul McCartney didn't place "Helen Wheels" on "Band On The Run."  That was a Capitol decision.  However, the 25th anniversary edition (released worldwide) does include "Helen Wheels" so I'm guessing he has accepted the extra track on the album.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 04, 2009, 02:07:01 AM
I am wondering, why did Capitol/EMI choose to release the Brother/Reprise 12-track edition on vinyl instead of it own original 13-track international version.  I know that since both the single mix of "Cottonfields" and "Sunflower" were both issued by EMI, so "Cottonfields" was placed on the international edition to boost sales.  I think with it's addition, it makes for a stronger album.  I believe it does fit on the album.  It was recorded during the "Sunflower" era in August of 1969 and was placed on the reel titled "Last Capitol Album" with other tracks that wound up on "Sunflower." 

"Cotton Fields" single version was recorded August 8th & 15th 1969. The Add Some Music sessions proper commenced October 6th.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread - beachboyscentral.com???
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on October 09, 2009, 09:49:39 PM
Aloha Alan -  Can you give us all an update on beachboyscentral.com?  It has become an ongoing joke.

If it's never going to happen, we'd all like to know and move on.....

Mahalo - G

ps - yes, we are all praying for a Smile box set and a Dennis/BB set.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread - beachboyscentral.com???
Post by: Seaside Woman on August 10, 2010, 01:46:43 PM
Aloha Alan -  Can you give us all an update on beachboyscentral.com?  It has become an ongoing joke.

If it's never going to happen, we'd all like to know and move on.....

Mahalo - G

ps - yes, we are all praying for a Smile box set and a Dennis/BB set.




I'm just bumping this hoping for a response to the Beach Boys Central question...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread - beachboyscentral.com???
Post by: punkinhead on August 14, 2010, 09:42:28 PM
Aloha Alan -  Can you give us all an update on beachboyscentral.com?  It has become an ongoing joke.

If it's never going to happen, we'd all like to know and move on.....

Mahalo - G

ps - yes, we are all praying for a Smile box set and a Dennis/BB set.



I'm just bumping this hoping for a response to the Beach Boys Central question...

me too!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Dutchie on October 05, 2010, 02:20:06 PM
somebody is paying money to leave it on the WWW   ;D it is still there  ???


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: The Shift on January 11, 2011, 06:46:12 AM
Hi Alan,

same question to you as I've just posted on Mark's thread...

Fancy throwing us a bone as to what's planned for any 50th anniversary releases?

We're hungry!


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Seaside Woman on January 13, 2011, 05:00:01 PM
This is worth bumping...


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: letsmakeit31 on January 31, 2011, 02:55:17 AM
Hi Alan,

same question to you as I've just posted on Mark's thread...

Fancy throwing us a bone as to what's planned for any 50th anniversary releases?

We're hungry!
Lets just hope that no news is good news shall we!!. I'm sure it all means that a new project is being worked on now which is why we haven't had any reply hopefully!!! :-D


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Mahalo on March 12, 2011, 07:32:34 PM
Mr. Alan Boyd...

I don't know much about anything, but what I do know is that I genuinely love the Beach Boys, specifically Brian's work, even more specifically- SMiLE. So I got the notion to send a SSMB "Thank You" your way, in advance, for contributing and helping to make this music see the light of day... Cheers!!

 :pirate :rock :spin :woot :beer :listening


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: PhilCohen on April 16, 2011, 06:00:16 PM
Hello Alan,

                While I'm not asking you to reveal anything specific about the "Smile" box, the question is why, at this point in time(as opposed to other years in the CD era) have yourself, Mark Linett & the surviving Beach Boys decided that 2011 is the right time for a "Smile" tapes project? Is it that you've left no stone unturned(no further studio or record company vaults to search), and you are now satisfied that nothing more will be found, or is it that there was there a discovery or aquisition of previously unavailable reels.....something that made The Beach Boys, Mark Linett or yourself realise, "Yes, this is the time for a Smile box set"


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jason on April 17, 2011, 12:15:56 AM
I'm not Alan but it should be noted that Alan isn't a member of BRI, who are the only people with the "authority" to authorize any kind of archival release.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: PhilCohen on April 17, 2011, 07:39:41 PM
I'm not Alan but it should be noted that Alan isn't a member of BRI, who are the only people with the "authority" to authorize any kind of archival release.

But it is Alan & Mark's research discoveries that may have prompted BRI's decision , at this point in time(instead of at some previous time) to permit a "Smile" project.....or maybe, it's the realisation that the music industry(even as a purveyor of vintage outtakes) doesn't have many years left. Might as well make some money of those old tapes. The world might come to an end in 2012, ya' know.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jim V. on October 01, 2011, 05:23:50 PM
I'm not sure you ever return to this thread Alan, but I have a question of a few songs. During your vault trawl, were "Where Is She?", "Burlesque", "Rooftop Harry", or the medley of "Baby I Need Your Lovin'" and "Gimme Some Lovin'" found? How far along were these songs? Did they have vocals? What about "Boys and Girls" with a lead vocal? Or any other versions of "California Feelin'" besides the 1974 Brian version of the 1978 group version? I'm hoping we get to hear some (or all!) of these tracks next year because of the 50th anniversary.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: punkinhead on October 03, 2011, 07:45:54 AM
I'm not sure you ever return to this thread Alan, but I have a question of a few songs. During your vault trawl, were "Where Is She?", "Burlesque", "Rooftop Harry", or the medley of "Baby I Need Your Lovin'" and "Gimme Some Lovin'" found? How far along were these songs? Did they have vocals? What about "Boys and Girls" with a lead vocal? Or any other versions of "California Feelin'" besides the 1974 Brian version of the 1978 group version? I'm hoping we get to hear some (or all!) of these tracks next year because of the 50th anniversary.
is the 78 version of California Feelin' 's track performed by the band in 78 or by Brian and/or band in 74?
What about the version by American Spring? What info is found on that? besides Rocky P's shaky lead vocal


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Jim V. on October 03, 2011, 12:28:27 PM
I'm not sure you ever return to this thread Alan, but I have a question of a few songs. During your vault trawl, were "Where Is She?", "Burlesque", "Rooftop Harry", or the medley of "Baby I Need Your Lovin'" and "Gimme Some Lovin'" found? How far along were these songs? Did they have vocals? What about "Boys and Girls" with a lead vocal? Or any other versions of "California Feelin'" besides the 1974 Brian version of the 1978 group version? I'm hoping we get to hear some (or all!) of these tracks next year because of the 50th anniversary.
is the 78 version of California Feelin' 's track performed by the band in 78 or by Brian and/or band in 74?
What about the version by American Spring? What info is found on that? besides Rocky P's shaky lead vocal

As far as I know, the '78 version for the Light Album was all recorded in '78, both track and vocals. Apparently the demo from '74 is just Brian and a piano. But i'm wondering if they possibly did a full band version in '74 or maybe a version for 15 Big Ones or M.I.U. (considering they were gonna name the album that).


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: southbay on March 28, 2012, 05:17:39 PM
OK Alan,  on the heels of your visit with MR. Pong HIt and questions about what we would like released, one thing you gave him to hear piqued my interest.  Please release the backing vocals for the S&S sessions.  Your use of the boys' backing vocals from DWB to open the Nashville Sounds DVD was great.  Lets have more of them on a box set.  Thanks.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: PongHit on March 29, 2012, 06:44:43 AM
OK Alan,  on the heels of your visit with MR. Pong HIt and questions about what we would like released, one thing you gave him to hear piqued my interest.  Please release the backing vocals for the S&S sessions.

Two other tracks of S&S BGVs on the playlist Alan made for me, besides "Caroline, No," was WOTS parts 1 & 2. There may have been more, but I forget.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: punkinhead on March 29, 2012, 12:39:34 PM
OK Alan,  on the heels of your visit with MR. Pong HIt and questions about what we would like released, one thing you gave him to hear piqued my interest.  Please release the backing vocals for the S&S sessions.  Your use of the boys' backing vocals from DWB to open the Nashville Sounds DVD was great.  Lets have more of them on a box set.  Thanks.
Having read Pong Hit's notes from his visit, looks like a lot of great stuff is still out there and in terms of "scrapping the barrel," I'd never call it that...I don't mean to sound greedy but I want it ALL! I'm sure there's a couple of other fans out there that'd back me on that one....I really hope you read this board more often than we think.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: drbeachboy on February 11, 2013, 05:34:46 PM
I was out on iTunes today and noticed a 2012 copyright on Surfin' Safari, Wild Honey, Friends, 20/20 and Holland. Is there a story behind this? Have these albums been remastered? If so, why are they only available as downloads, and lossy downloads, at that?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: buddhahat on September 10, 2013, 05:25:18 AM
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Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: Zander on September 11, 2013, 04:06:08 AM
Hi Alan,

Couple of things I found on what I believe to be a press release for this Endless Harmony doc -

It states:

TOURING: The Beach Boys have toured consistently for over 30 years. Endless Harmony contains excerpts of some of their best live performances and the last concert with Carl Wilson.

A SPECIAL TRIBUTE: to Carl Wilson who was extremely popular with other artists such as Elton John for whom he sang on Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me and Yellow Brick Road. Jackson Browne and Tom Petty talk about their relationship with Carl.

MARILYN: Brian's ex wife talks about Brian and life with him during his good times and bad....comments about his family.

What happened to these bits?! This would've made the documentary even cooler. How come you decided not to include them?


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: PetSmile on June 24, 2016, 06:15:27 AM
I'd like to ask about the chance of a stereo reissue of Smile Sessions Disk 1 for the 50th Anniversary of 'SMiLE' being released.
Thanks.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: branaa09 on June 24, 2016, 02:53:01 PM
Well it's a little more complicated than that. Some Session Tapes are actually missing such as the Lead Vocal Overdubs for Wonderful, the 8-Track Master for the Good Vibrations Vocals is missing still, although we do have a 4-Track Master with some of the vocals, which is still missing some double tracking and sections of vocals, Barnyard can't be in Stereo no Vocals except for the Background Vocals, the backing track was recorded straight to Mono like Wonderful. Do You Like Worms Bicycle Rider section for parts of the song don't seem to exist in Stereo only in Mono. Heroes and Villains is missing the Tracking Session for the Verses. Yes we have the Rerecord from a later date but the one used in the final only exists in Mono for now. Child Is the Father of Man Vocals Master is missing. As you can see the Mono disc 1 of the Smile Sessions uses vocal Sections taken from Acetates which are Mono only. If you want Stereo Smile here are your options: Vegetables, Cabinessence, Surf's Up, Heroes and Villains, Our Prayer Wind Chimes and any Stereo Backing Track mix without vocals. Yes we have tons of fan mixes with isolated stereo mixes using Stereo Extraction, but I don't Alan and Mark want to go that route just yet.


Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: PetSmile on June 24, 2016, 03:19:40 PM
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Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: sockittome on June 26, 2016, 09:21:29 AM
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Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: PetSmile on June 28, 2016, 03:55:21 PM
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Title: Re: The Alan Boyd Thread
Post by: thr33 on January 18, 2021, 06:14:01 PM
Hey Alan, just wondering something:

(1) How many American Spring demos did Brian record other than 'Awake'?
(2) How much of the American Spring material is fair game for future CE releases?

Thanks for all the hard work you've done on the archives.