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Title: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: ReggieDunbar on September 28, 2020, 03:27:18 AM
Are there any photos from the actual Party! sessions?
(Not counting those taken for cover photos)

//RD



Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: dogear on September 28, 2020, 03:50:41 AM
insert https://www.discogs.com/The-Beach-Boys-Beach-Boys-Party/release/2851742 (https://www.discogs.com/The-Beach-Boys-Beach-Boys-Party/release/2851742)


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: ReggieDunbar on September 28, 2020, 04:11:00 AM
insert https://www.discogs.com/The-Beach-Boys-Beach-Boys-Party/release/2851742 (https://www.discogs.com/The-Beach-Boys-Beach-Boys-Party/release/2851742)

They're all from that same session as cover photo.
I'm looking for photos from the recording session (the album was recorded in 4 sessions and the party sounds was overdubbed on a 5th)

//RD


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: c-man on September 28, 2020, 06:09:01 AM
There are plenty...for instance, the shots where Brian is wearing a white cap and the white terry-clothish overcoat thing, Mike is also wearing a cap and a striped t-shirt. The shot where they encounter Spector and the Righteous Brothers in the hallway is from that session. There are shots from more than one session, with Carl and Al playing acoustic guitars, Bruce and sometimes Brian playing bass, Dennis on bongos, Hal in the background...


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Join The Human Race on September 28, 2020, 06:31:20 AM
I believe these are from the Party sessions; there are more out there from this, but definitely from 1965. I really love these pictures from this time. Brian just seemed to be firing on all cylinders and the guys were just kicking ass during this time (Today-Summer Days) While Party has some weak songs, there is still some magic there (Devoted to You, There's No Other for me)


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: c-man on September 28, 2020, 06:40:40 AM
Yep, those are all Party session photos! The ones where Brian sports longer hair, the cap and the terry-cloth thing are from a different session, a month or so removed, but still a Party session.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Rocker on September 28, 2020, 08:43:51 AM
Just for fun, let me add these (not all from the actual sessions as was mentioned):


(https://cuecastanets.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/brian-spector.jpg)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/music-producer-phil-spector-with-beach-boys-brian-wilson-mike-love-picture-id74158881)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6622879481_d221c797d1_z.jpg)

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85aa816bf9972208c50c1044b341bce4)

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/brian-wilson-and-mike-love-of-the-rock-and-roll-band-the-beach-boys-picture-id74253593)

(http://i2.wp.com/www.rebeatmag.com/wp-content/uploads/f573b71f0a694b16c31b81748c8930f1.jpg?resize=720%2C401)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/e9/24/aee924788887fe5bec1db279c202d6d3.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/65/80/c8/6580c8b166e194a1edfba84a6915e2c4--carl-wilson-brian-wilson.jpg)

(https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/the-beach-boys-party-album-the-titanic-project.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d1cIWUKbr5w/TF9TNTcbUqI/AAAAAAAABPI/87JstIAwbe4/s1600/TBB+Party+Advert.jpg)

(https://www.bear-family.de/media/image/c1/b7/4b/CAP60254b.jpg)



Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Join The Human Race on September 28, 2020, 10:27:56 AM
The red head next to Bruce; I'm assuming that's Deirdre? :-D


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on September 28, 2020, 12:45:37 PM
Funny how both of those pics of Brian with Phil Spector (the only photos of the 2 of them together that exist, at least in that era, as far as I know) always have 1 of the 2 of them looking off; either Phil is out of focus looking like a demon, or Brian was awkwardly captured mid-blink in the 1 pic where Phil looks good  :lol

Just for fun, let me add these (not all from the actual sessions as was mentioned):


(https://cuecastanets.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/brian-spector.jpg)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/music-producer-phil-spector-with-beach-boys-brian-wilson-mike-love-picture-id74158881)


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: sixtiesstereo on September 28, 2020, 01:27:24 PM
Boy, this picture of Dennis (posted above)may be the best photo I've ever seen of him.  Remarkable...
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85aa816bf9972208c50c1044b341bce4)


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Join The Human Race on September 28, 2020, 04:09:10 PM
That is a great picture of Dennis. I think they all look great around this time, something not always guaranteed in future group pics


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: c-man on September 28, 2020, 06:00:11 PM
That is a great picture of Dennis. I think they all look great around this time, something not always guaranteed in future group pics

Yeah, well it's so cool to hear the studio chatter from these sessions - you realize just how NORMAL they all still were! Sadly, that would begin to change within a couple of years...


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: aeijtzsche on September 28, 2020, 07:07:58 PM
Wish they'd taken photos of more...musically consequential sessions.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Rocker on September 29, 2020, 10:05:15 AM
Just wanted to add these pictures from the Party! sessions:


(https://www.tracks.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/B28926a-1.jpg)

(https://www.stereophile.com/images/216bboys.promo_.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/98/3f/43983f3c7d847297eb620af60458ce14.png)

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b5/5d/68/b55d6821f1df43b1bac0f1041e0ecfb2--carl-wilson-brian-wilson.jpg)


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: ReggieDunbar on September 30, 2020, 02:29:21 AM
Love all the photos! Thx!!
//RD


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: SaltyMarshmallow on September 30, 2020, 06:40:57 AM
These are all in studio 2, right? Odd that Brian used 1 & 2 so rarely in all his years recording at Western.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: SBonilla on September 30, 2020, 06:58:04 AM
Brian is wearing the same clothes in the Spector photo as he is in the Party session photo of him at the piano (looks later, to me).


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: aeijtzsche on September 30, 2020, 01:30:33 PM
These are all in studio 2, right? Odd that Brian used 1 & 2 so rarely in all his years recording at Western.

Very rarely.  I have a theory that Guess I'm Dumb was Western 2, but otherwise I can't think of any session outside of Party that made it outside of Studio 3 over there.  Interesting he never really used United, too.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: SaltyMarshmallow on September 30, 2020, 01:41:18 PM
These are all in studio 2, right? Odd that Brian used 1 & 2 so rarely in all his years recording at Western.

Very rarely.  I have a theory that Guess I'm Dumb was Western 2, but otherwise I can't think of any session outside of Party that made it outside of Studio 3 over there.  Interesting he never really used United, too.

Mark once said Punchline was done over in 2, and I remember there being reason to believe the April '62 demo reel basic tracks may have been done in studio 1 because of something Chuck Britz said (maybe). It's a weird, tiny list. Guess I'm Dumb wasn't on my radar!

As well as the '65 Dick Reynolds stuff and '68 Honeys single at United, there was a You're With Me Tonight outtake supposedly done at Western and United in the same day, so maybe harpsichord track at Western and vocals down the street? Unless it's a misprint. That's the only other one I can think of. I got back into Lewisohn Beatles recently and it's an interesting contrast to them hopping all over EMI depending on which room was free.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: aeijtzsche on September 30, 2020, 02:16:11 PM
These are all in studio 2, right? Odd that Brian used 1 & 2 so rarely in all his years recording at Western.

Very rarely.  I have a theory that Guess I'm Dumb was Western 2, but otherwise I can't think of any session outside of Party that made it outside of Studio 3 over there.  Interesting he never really used United, too.

Mark once said Punchline was done over in 2, and I remember there being reason to believe the April '62 demo reel basic tracks may have been done in studio 1 because of something Chuck Britz said (maybe). It's a weird, tiny list. Guess I'm Dumb wasn't on my radar!

As well as the '65 Dick Reynolds stuff and '68 Honeys single at United, there was a You're With Me Tonight outtake supposedly done at Western and United in the same day, so maybe harpsichord track at Western and vocals down the street? Unless it's a misprint. That's the only other one I can think of. I got back into Lewisohn Beatles recently and it's an interesting contrast to them hopping all over EMI depending on which room was free.

The way the trumpets hit off the wall on Guess I'm Dumb doesn't sound like 3 to me.  Plus it's a lot of musicians.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: patsy6 on September 30, 2020, 05:22:24 PM
Nice to see Bobby Hatfield of the Righteous Brothers in one of those photos, with Brian, Mike, Phil Spector and two other unidentified men. Bobby is on the right.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: aeijtzsche on September 30, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
Nice to see Bobby Hatfield of the Righteous Brothers in one of those photos, with Brian, Mike, Phil Spector and two other unidentified men. Bobby is on the right.

I think that's Steve Korthoff, and definitely Ron Swallow.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Shane on September 30, 2020, 09:51:48 PM
The photos of the "party" with all the wives there... anybody know what house those were taken in?


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: c-man on September 30, 2020, 09:58:39 PM
The photos of the "party" with all the wives there... anybody know what house those were taken in?

Possibly Mike's - there were reports at the time, or perhaps years later, that they had actually recorded some of the album there (which of course is not true). I think Marilyn had stated that. She may have been remembering the photo shoot.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Mitchell on October 01, 2020, 09:39:29 AM
I noticed in the "party" photos Al has a really thin-necked instrument in one and a 12-string in another. What's the thin one?


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: SaltyMarshmallow on October 01, 2020, 10:14:38 AM
I noticed in the "party" photos Al has a really thin-necked instrument in one and a 12-string in another. What's the thin one?

It's a tenor guitar, 4 strings.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 01, 2020, 12:47:44 PM
I noticed in the "party" photos Al has a really thin-necked instrument in one and a 12-string in another. What's the thin one?

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20324.msg537870.html#msg537870 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20324.msg537870.html#msg537870)

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20324.msg537877.html#msg537877 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20324.msg537877.html#msg537877)

Yes, it was a Martin 0-18 tenor. I should have clipped in a photo showing the headstock more clearly, but it's definitely a Martin. Here is a video with another folk musician who worked with the We Five playing Nick's actual Martin tenor that he gave away in 1967. You'll hear the sound this kind of tenor guitar makes and how it fit into the Trio's guitar sound by watching this clip, the last few minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1mbcEN8vw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1mbcEN8vw)

It looks like Al is playing a similar model Martin, are there more photos of Al with it?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51B327N2HSL.jpg)



Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Mitchell on October 01, 2020, 09:09:20 PM
Neat, thanks!


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: SaltyMarshmallow on October 07, 2020, 05:09:11 PM
On other uses of Studio 2, how about something like the Let's Go Away for Awhile overdub? Could you even seat 12 string guys plus some woodwinds in 3?

Some other candidates I'm wondering about are two Heroes and Villains sessions, December 19 '66 (large string mystery date doubtless including the acetate Great Shape) and Feb 15 '67 (Prelude to Fade). The latter is huge, and I don't hear close to the same level of intense leakage that's all over God Only Knows, which is the only other Western session besides Guess I'm Dumb that rivals it for numbers. It'd be 19 people crowded in the room too - no electric guitar from the booth.

Bruce's Bluebirds basic track is another I'd completely forgotten about.

Edit: Anyone know where that shot of the Sid Sharp strings in the Smile book/LLVS was taken?


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Tom on October 07, 2020, 06:20:16 PM
Wish they'd taken photos of more...musically consequential sessions.

They still give us some insight into their recording approach I'd say - namely the use of the Shure 545 as a vocal mic, which Brian reportedly then used for most of his Pet Sounds leads.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Rocker on October 15, 2020, 09:00:44 AM
Brian's Facebook account just posted pictures from the Party! sessions.


(https://scontent-ham3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121694684_10159420622877241_1927654282837037441_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=pAi1E9XOoGUAX_wK6h7&_nc_ht=scontent-ham3-1.xx&oh=136b568df5218ea5985c8a90633e0516&oe=5FAEEF38)

(https://scontent-ham3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121779324_10159420623722241_6920158003558896332_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=OU7g3ZWLZd0AX_te2z7&_nc_ht=scontent-ham3-1.xx&oh=40be6b15e95230d1f7867be6a72b7747&oe=5FAED854)

(https://scontent-ham3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121741442_10159420625247241_1477697263305475265_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=SiWIfXRT87sAX9p-9XH&_nc_ht=scontent-ham3-1.xx&oh=532a890be7a16ecc6c67cd6e3e21c62c&oe=5FAE257B)



Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Emdeeh on October 15, 2020, 09:43:05 AM
These are great pics, thanks for posting them here!


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: c-man on October 15, 2020, 06:00:25 PM
Pretty small room in that first shot - so I'm guessing Studio 3, which was where the first two Party! sessions occurred, with engineer Don Blake.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: SaltyMarshmallow on October 16, 2020, 02:39:08 AM
Yeah, the walls and the shape of the room mark it as 3, so it's those photos with Brian in his hat and more Pet Sounds-y hair that must be in 2. Completely different setup to the 1966 footage, so that's something.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: aeijtzsche on October 16, 2020, 09:38:15 AM
What a great shot, looking through the glass into Western 3.  Imagine that room with the number of people in there present, plus about 10 more people and you get a feel for how packed it'd be for some of the larger sessions.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: Emdeeh on October 16, 2020, 01:40:39 PM
Having toured the studio and stood in that room, I know how crowded it would be. That place is about the same size as a one-car garage. It's a squeeze to get past the recording console to enter the room. It's a cozy space.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: SaltyMarshmallow on October 16, 2020, 02:13:08 PM
Then try to imagine all of those musicians huddling between a grand piano, upright piano, harpsichord, Hammond organ with Leslie cabinet, celeste, probably some percussion, and whatever everyone carried with them on the day. It's hard to wrap your head around God Only Knows and H&V Prelude cramming 18 or 19 people in there.

Some great footage I hadn't seen til recently: https://youtu.be/-Q3mL3QhfKY


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: c-man on October 16, 2020, 06:34:53 PM
Y'know, that's almost exactly the size of my home studio. I'm not gonna worry about it being tiny any more - size DOESN'T always matter!  :)


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: aeijtzsche on October 16, 2020, 07:37:32 PM
Y'know, that's almost exactly the size of my home studio. I'm not gonna worry about it being tiny any more - size DOESN'T always matter!  :)

It's about 15 by 32 or so.  The ceiling is slanted but averages about 12 feet.

I think it's important to note that while size doesn't always matter, there's a lot about that room (and most other great studio live rooms) that is not visible, or is not obvious.  What you see as the room is actually more or less a room inside a room -- acoustically isolated from the rest of the building and with a fair amount of air and/or acoustic material between the walls that you see and the superstructure of the building surrounding that room.

Also, at that time the philosophy about wall treatments was to have it super dead at sort of seated mic level (you can see in the photo how it's all white acoustic tile from about chest height down) and then adjustably reflective at standing mic level.  That's the wood-grain looking material above chest height.  Then the acoustic panels would modulate that reflective surface down to acceptable levels, while still allowing a certain liveness about the room for when people are standing to sing.  The portable screens and goboes help regulate this even more and provided absorption and to a much lesser extent isolation.  You can see how the screen behind the bass amp in that shot or the screens at the back of the studio are not there to isolate anything, but there to help frame the space and keep things pretty neutral to dead, acoustically around the band.

Would literally kill for a picture of the GOK setup.  I'd do the prison time, too.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: c-man on October 17, 2020, 06:34:56 AM
Y'know, that's almost exactly the size of my home studio. I'm not gonna worry about it being tiny any more - size DOESN'T always matter!  :)

It's about 15 by 32 or so.  The ceiling is slanted but averages about 12 feet.

I think it's important to note that while size doesn't always matter, there's a lot about that room (and most other great studio live rooms) that is not visible, or is not obvious.  What you see as the room is actually more or less a room inside a room -- acoustically isolated from the rest of the building and with a fair amount of air and/or acoustic material between the walls that you see and the superstructure of the building surrounding that room.

Also, at that time the philosophy about wall treatments was to have it super dead at sort of seated mic level (you can see in the photo how it's all white acoustic tile from about chest height down) and then adjustably reflective at standing mic level.  That's the wood-grain looking material above chest height.  Then the acoustic panels would modulate that reflective surface down to acceptable levels, while still allowing a certain liveness about the room for when people are standing to sing.  The portable screens and goboes help regulate this even more and provided absorption and to a much lesser extent isolation.  You can see how the screen behind the bass amp in that shot or the screens at the back of the studio are not there to isolate anything, but there to help frame the space and keep things pretty neutral to dead, acoustically around the band.

Would literally kill for a picture of the GOK setup.  I'd do the prison time, too.

Yeah, I'm lucky enough to have a house that came with a pre-built acoustically-treated studio (which was the main selling point for me). While the tracking room doesn't have a slanted ceiling, both it and the control room are built as a "room-within-a-room" - on a foundation of hockey pucks, no less! The control room (much smaller than those at Western) has a trapezoidal ceiling, and a big glass window separates it from the tracking room. In the tracking room, there are sound-absorption panels from about waist level down, and double doors on the one entrance into the tracking room, and both entrances into the control room. Guess the builder knew what he was doing!


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: SaltyMarshmallow on October 17, 2020, 06:59:07 AM
Earlier posts in this thread made me go back and compare the scale of the different studios, and it surprised me that Desper gave the measurements of Brian's as 40 x 27, not including the deck over the garage. I guess it was a mansion, but when I think 'home studio' I have to keep manually reminding myself that it was quite a bit bigger than the room where they did 90% of their professional recording until '67. And it was slightly larger than Western 2!


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 17, 2020, 10:13:16 AM

Some great footage I hadn't seen til recently: https://youtu.be/-Q3mL3QhfKY

So that Mamas and Papas footage - That's the Western 3 footage I posted about here back in 2011 and later in 2012 after digging deeper with what was available at the time. I guess others have filled in more of the info, but it was an hour-long documentary that first aired February 24, 1967 on ABC titled "The Songmakers". It was later rebroadcast in July 1967. The reviews were mostly positive, although I'll post a less-enthusiastic one in the next post because of the size.

United/Western/UA even mentioned it in their employee newsletter, which I'll also post. At that time it wasn't common to have engineers and studio staff featured on TV programs, not to mention the free advertising they got for their studio business, no less showing an actual session in Western 3 featuring Hal Blaine, Joe Osborn, Tommy Tedesco, and the usual gang who played for Lew Adler, Papa John and Bones Howe (also featured). It was a pretty big deal for early 1967.

It still is a big deal because apparently no copies of the full broadcast are circulating. According to a post on the clip, one full copy exists in the Paley Center archives, but is unavailable for viewing or something. The M&P footage in that clip was aired as part of an M&P documentary which I think was shown on the A&E network years ago, which is where I first saw it. There is footage of Mike Bloomfield playing with Butterfield at a college party gig that is up on some Bloomfield fan sites, but if there are other copies of the other artists' appearances they're not widely seen or circulated.

So it would be amazing to get a full copy at some point. Once you see the list of artists who were featured, I think everyone will agree.

And this ties in to that same early '67 period just before Pepper and the Summer Of Love schtick where TV networks and news divisions were taking a more serious look at pop music, and trying to bridge the gap between the different music worlds that existed, since the music was doing that very same thing and selling like hotcakes. It wasn't kids music versus adult music, because the kids were using "adult" musical ideas in their music, and the adults were taking their own sounds from the "kids" to sell more music.

And then there was Brian Wilson, and The Beatles, featured on "Inside Pop" for CBS aired in April '67 just under two months after ABC had a hit with "The Songmakers" in late February '67. The whole point of these shows was to take a hard look at music for music's sake, and to show how "the kids" making pop music were not making disposable fluff but instead had something to say both musically and socially. And they were making millions in the process.

What a great time for music, and at least we can watch "Inside Pop" as a complete broadcast. Maybe someday "The Songmakers" will show up in full too. I'll post the article snippets separately, check out that lineup...


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 17, 2020, 10:16:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mTeV7Bo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/z0MPAzV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rZa09hO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/68M8cbE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OTGVIHP.jpg)



Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: SaltyMarshmallow on October 17, 2020, 10:28:19 AM
Oh wow, a 15 minute segment? And it's not available to watch anywhere? If you'll excuse me I gotta go curl into a ball in my wardrobe


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 17, 2020, 10:36:29 AM
15 minutes of a M&P session in Western 3 with Hal and the gang recording a new tune...AND footage of Burt Bacharach and Hal David finishing writing their new song for Dionne called "I Say A Little Prayer" in a living room.   :o

Holy Grail material for sure. Maybe someday "The Songmakers" will be released publicly, along with the full 45 minutes of Brian recording "Good Vibrations", of which roughly 4-5 minutes has been seen publicly so far. Such a damn shame.


Title: Re: Are there any Party! session photos?
Post by: ChrisFarrell on October 21, 2020, 10:20:08 PM
Dunno if I missed it but are there any photos of the Party sessions that have Dean Torrence in them.