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So, for the past couple months, a local record shop has allowed me to scoop up all of those "collector's album" LP's, where fans had put out hard copies of the unreleased Beach Boys albums.  I now have most of them - both editions of "Smile," both editions of "Adult Child," both editions of "Califo(r)nia Feeling", "The New Album", "Merry Christmas", and the 'random unreleased tracks' comp "Carl And The Passions: Made In USA."

One problem.

No "Landlocked."

I actually asked the store today if they'd seen that come in, and they were fairly certain they had sold it (he asked "that had a tan cover, right?").  I took to eBay, where - for the first time I've seen - they DO have a "Landlocked".... in not great condition, and priced exponentially higher than it should be.  (The other albums in the series have cost me about 25 apiece.  This was well over 100.)

So, being a Beach Boys forum, I want to put feelers out - does ANYONE have a Brother Records "Landlocked" to spare?  Name a price.  If it's under 100 (including shipping), I'll buy it.

uh, I think asking for bootlegs is prohibited on this forum...

Comment:   There is no album "Landlocked."  It is a myth fabricated by the fan base.  This subject is covered in my book Recording The Beach Boys in the addendum to part one..~swd

You don't have to put the word
You really don't have to put the word Comment before everything you say you know

I believe he is looking for the bootleg Vinyl LP called Landlocked.

I believe there are at least four vinyl Smile boots, so you have two to go.

1983 single LP on “Brother Records”
1985 single LP on Brother
1993 triple album on colored vinyl on Vigotone
? 2003 single LP on Sea of Tunes - a vinyl copy of Unsurpassed Masters Sea of Tunes Vol 16

COMMENT to Matt H:  Thanks for the clarification.  

COMMENT to TheLazenby:  There is no official Landlocked album. If you wish to add a so-called bootleg of this title to your collection, make your own. All you need to do is assemble all the songs you wish to constitute your "Landlocked" album and burn them onto a CD.

Then go to this website [>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=Landlocked,+Beach+Boy+Album,+artwork&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS748US748&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsr_WD_ZXnAhUBU98KHcEiCw8Q_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1088&bih=534&dpr=1.25], and choose one of the "Landlocked" covers for your Landlocked CD and print the size required for a CD jewel case.

Add this self-made bootleg to complete your collection and impress your friends.

OR, send me a couple of hundred dollars and I'll make one up for you.  :-D   ~swd

I have the "Landlocked" Brian, Mike, Carl, Dennis, Al LP.

1.  Loop De Loop

 2. San Miguel

 3. H>E>L>P> Is On The Way

 4.Take A Load Off Your Feet

 5.Over The Waves

 6.I Just Got My Pay

 7.Sound Of Free

 8.Child Of Winter

 9. It's About Time

 10. Tears In The Morning

 11. Good Time

 12. Big Sur

 13. Lady

 14. When Girls Get Together

 15 Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)

 16. 'Til I Die

The label is Brother records-Tan cover with Indian on the horse.

COMMENT to Legendary QSD:  Anyone can make up CD's or LP's these days. But that does not make them official releases, only bootlegs.

As you can see from the Discography on the websites below, or any listing of released albums by The Beach Boys, there is no "Landlocked" album. So don't be deceived. "Landlocked" is a completely made-up fabrication.

Brother Records Inc. Discography >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Records

The Beach Boys complete Discogrphy >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beach_Boys_discography

~swd

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but the sense I’m getting is that people talking about these *ancient* vinyl boots are aware that they are not actual “real” albums. Essentially, they’re vintage vinyl boot collectors, which is a pretty narrow niche I can only guess, but one nonetheless. Just like there are people that collect awful bootleg/knockoff action figures.

These are not real albums, and if one is inclined to want to listen to the material on those old vinyl LPs, there are a million ways to do it with better sound quality. I’m guessing they’re into the old vinyl as “pieces” themselves, and/or are nostalgic or reminiscing about those old vinyl LPs.

There have indeed been books published featuring old vinyl boot cover art. I find it moderately interesting. Obviously, a lot of it is awful and is like photocopied paper stuck to a blank jacket with a glue stick (or no cover art at all!), while other cover art could certainly be fascinating and creative.

COMMENT to SydBarrett:

You are indeed correct in pointing out that I need not preface my remarks by writing, “Comment to . . . “  And indeed, I need not make any comments, on any topic under discussion, at any time. And, of course, you need not read any of my comments.

I am saddened that the education you received evidentially did not instruct you in the proper and polite forms that communications are usually formulated, even on the Internet.

Let us use your post as a learning opportunity.  

Communications are usually started with what is called, a salutation. Examples include: Dear so and so, Greetings so and so, Hello, To Whom it May Concern, Sir, Madam, and Comment, to name a few. Even prayers have salutations, the most conspicuous in the Christian world is, “Our Father . . .”  And for Muslims it is “Allah is great.” Alternate forms of a salutation are the military salute, hand shake or just waving to someone. All cultures use salutations of one form or another.

The point is that a salutation usually directs the communication toward a person and is generally a greeting, of sort. Just as you would greet someone by saying, Hello John or Hello Mary, non-personal greetings are most politely expressed by including the persons name such as “COMMENT to SydBarrett:”.

In the case of SmileySmile discourse, the posts are placed on line by a person and although directed to the general fanbase are still the work of someone behind the letters that appear on the screen. So when answering someone’s question or statement, it seems only polite to direct any response to that person, be they real or a pseudonym. This not only respects the fact that a real live human is behind the post, but also acknowledges you are directing your writing toward that person’s inquiry or statement.

I have been posting on this website since 2005. Since then have adopted the format for the over 1300 responses I have posted to begin with a salutation of “COMMENT to (persons name)”. The body of my response is usually done in 11 point font with a valediction or closing of “~ swd” or “~ Good Listening, Stephen W. Desper”. To me the use of the tilde or “~” symbol represents frequency or sound.

As to your statement “. . . before everything you say you know”, what I say, I do in fact usually know. It would be foolish and a waste of everyone’s time to say something I don’t know. I post here because of my historical involvement with The Beach Boys, and because of that involvement feel I can lend a degree of insight on some subjects you will not find elsewhere.

However, I must say that the fanbase never cases to amaze me with all the knowledge they have over a variety of subjects. Many who post here know more than I do, but have gleaned their knowledge by way of second hand sources. Because I was there, and in some cases was the cause of some theme under discussion, I feel I can add a spin to the subject otherwise not obtainable. Therefore, I not only say I know, but in fact do know. If you have a problem with such an authoritative position, please feel free to skip over my postings.  ~swd

Excuse me Mr. Desper, but I'm pretty sure SydBarett used "you know" merely as interjection, not to refer to things that you share from your experience/knowledge.

COMMENT to Wata:   Perhaps you are correct. There is no punctuation, so it's hard to tell.  ~ swd

 :lol  Exactly!

EARTH to Stephen Desper: You used to be a really cool dude. What happened? Now, you radiate negativity and seem to enjoy belittling people. Your pedanticism knows no bounds. I'm disappointed in you. Catch a wave, dude!

I do not write much, but I read the Smiley Smile message boards daily. It used to be when Mr. Desper posted, people read his words with high regards. Most of the comments that were left, started out with people in “Mr. Desper” to address him.

Back on 2005, people really seemed to appreciate Mr. Desper coming here to share his knowledge of the Beach Boys, a little about the Beach Boys lives and the stuff that happened behind the scenes – most of which I cannot begin to understand. I enjoy and appreciate every post he writes. I think most people enjoy is material.

Lately, people seem to feel the need to nitpick everything he does. Familiarity should not breeds contempt. People think they know him because he posts here, but that is not necessarily true for the majority of the readers here. Personally, I will always read what he writes with the respect that it deserves and the respect that HE deserves.
 
Mr. Desper, I wish you the best of health, and hope that if you do find it in your heart to write more on the Smiley Smile message board, please know that I will eagerly read and appreciate your posts. 

+1

Count me in.  I enjoy Mr. Desper's posts and look forward to reading them.

Cannot believe a poster - who thinks period usage at the end of sentences is optional - has the chutzpah to try and "chime in" and grammar police Stephen (and also missing the point and being totally incorrect in their initial assumptions).  :-\ Why? What's the bloody point? Blows my mind.

Well, I just worried if Mr. Desper misunderstood SydBarrett's post as an attack against his insight (which could possibly make him less comfortable about sharing it here), and pointed out it wasn't.

I absolutely meant no offense against Mr. Desper, and I'm sorry if he took it as any kind of offense.

And yes, I agree that the original poster should have used comma before the word "you know" to avoid confusion.

We are extremely fortunate to have Stephen Desper posting on this board, freely giving his time to share information, experiences and insights from a firsthand perspective. I'm incredulous that he has to put up with inane comments like some of those posted in this thread.

Steve, please know that I appreciate your posts and have gained a much deeper understanding of what transpired during your tenure with the band, which also happens to be my overall favorite period of Beach Boys recorded music.

To Mr. Stephen Desper: Your candid and openly honest reply to me was quite illuminating and perspective changing. I feel for you in regard to your health problems and understand the complications they can thrust into your life. I hope you find relief. I will propose a deal with you: I will be the one to go away, you need to stay. A lot of people will miss you terribly and I, honestly, will be one of them. Please don't let a curmudgeonly old man run you off. This site needs you more than it needs me. If I find the proverbial wave, grab your board and shoulder hop with me. PEACE!

These two posts are unnecessary and uncalled for, and moving forward this will not be tolerated if directed at other board members, specifically Stephen who actually *worked with The Beach Boys*.

All I can say is: Seriously?

Maybe either one of you could send us a message and explanation for why you have been members for 7-8 years each, have posted less than 30 times in those years, and now chose to come out of the shadows to reply to Stephen as you did. In one case, the member has not posted a single word since 2012, yet saw fit to go after Stephen personally with absolutely no relevance to the discussion.

I've been thinking how it seems there are efforts to troll or bait Mr. Desper from members who are not regular or active members, and it will not be tolerated. The option of banning these two members is on the table and will be discussed. The reasons why this is happening may not be hard to figure out.

Moving forward, no more of this nonsense - It will not be tolerated.


As for this:


A recommendation moving forward: If someone is not involved in the matter(s) at hand between other members and posts, I'd recommend staying out of it and not speaking for or seeming to defend other members who can speak for themselves. Let the original poster reply if clarification is needed, and let the admins here sort out anything that needs sorting beyond that.

Sure, I will. Thanks.

To All: First, I will accept the ban right now, I was wayyy out of line. Everyone has a hard time in their life. I chose to take it out on someone who sure didn't need it. I have no excuse at all. I lost it. I feel about an inch high am totally ashamed that I showed the whole world what a fool I can be. I apologize to Stephen and the entire Beach Boys nation. There's no fool like an old fool. Even though, I have blown it here, I needed that smackdown to turn my life and attitude around. I'm so sorry it had to go down that way. I have also made the board look bad and set a bad example of how not to conduct yourself. I have loved The Beach Boys and all the cast, read all the books, etc. So why haven't I been posting? Because the answers to my questions I find on here all the time. The biggest reason is I couldn't think of anything to post that wasn't already here or, worse, I was afraid of getting laughed at. I sure made up for lost time, didn't I. I don't know what else to say except that I deserve it. At first, I was just going to chicken out and run away, but I owe to all of you to "man up" and respond. I'm just a cork on the ocean and maybe I'll see you somewhere down the long promised road. It was fun to be a part of the best  and most knowledgable board ever. I wish you all the best!

You’re not being banned.
Also, thanks for admitting you were a bit out of line. Truth be told though with online communication it’s very easy for one thing to come off wrong and then it just mushrooms

"What the world needs now, is love sweet love"...

Thanks. A kinder, gentler me may be in order?  :)

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