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Title: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: rickymyfataar on October 16, 2019, 12:52:08 AM
This interview from the early 90s gives us a peek into Mike's mind at the time. He sounds bitter and jealous of his gifted cousin. But as I listen to it, I realized how much Mike has changed over the years, he certainly isn't the same man he used to be.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljsGG3sbEL0


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: NateRuvin on October 16, 2019, 08:45:18 AM
Amen. The Mike of the early 90's was a different man than the Mike we know today. He was obviously not only bitter, but it definetely seems like he had some self-worth issues going on, hence all of the boasting, and throwing others under the bus. We always talk about mental health in relation to the Wilson brothers, but it's quite interesting to apply that same lens to Mike. Sure, he was still riding the high of Kokomo, but in this interview, I feel like I'm listening to a depressed, confused person.

The Mike of 2019 definitely has a "Cool Head and Warm Heart" compared to early 90's Mike. He seems to be more comfortable in his own skin, HIS legacy, without having to diminish others' accomplishments. Recently he was been more complimentary and far less bitter. Mike has come a long way.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: UEF on October 16, 2019, 02:39:43 PM
Everyone in that band's been on a journey (or died)


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 16, 2019, 06:47:10 PM
Early 90's Mike was full of himself, and convinced that what would sell millions of records for the group was an album of 12 Kokomo clones.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: joe_blow on October 17, 2019, 04:02:34 PM
He mentions his friend Bill Johnston as the person he went surfing with. I thought it was Bill Jackson. I am starting to doubt this story.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 18, 2019, 10:11:03 AM

BE WARNED!! You cannot get those 2 hours with Mike Love back.  :p


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: Jim V. on October 18, 2019, 05:39:45 PM
He mentions his friend Bill Johnston as the person he went surfing with. I thought it was Bill Jackson. I am starting to doubt this story.

No disrespect, but you ever believed the story in the first place? Bill Jackson sounds like one of the most made up names ever! However..."Do It Again" is great nonetheless.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: juggler on October 19, 2019, 02:30:15 PM
The story that Mike Love tells at the beginning about 'Barbara Ann' is inconsistent with the long, detailed anecdote about the song that appears in Ken Mansfield's memoir, "The White Book."

The way ML tells it, 'Party' was a throwaway album that Brian did to satisfy Capitol and exec Al Cory decided Barbara Ann should be released as a single.  The way Mansfield tells it, BW walked into his office with an acetate of Barbara Ann. Mansfield claims to have lectured Brian about how the song and production weren't up to the standard he set on Today and Summer Days.  Mansfield describes Brian staring daggers at him, silently getting up, taking the single from the turntable and walking to the door, stopping in the doorway and forcefully saying, "This IS our next single."  Mansfield then reports getting a subsequent call from Nick Grillo informing him that Brian preferred to have no further dealings with him.



Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: joe_blow on October 23, 2019, 02:23:12 PM
He mentions his friend Bill Johnston as the person he went surfing with. I thought it was Bill Jackson. I am starting to doubt this story.

No disrespect, but you ever believed the story in the first place? Bill Jackson sounds like one of the most made up names ever! However..."Do It Again" is great nonetheless.
Well I have been searching for the truth on this for years.  I think there is even a thread somewhere on her about the search for Bill Jackson. I'll have to take my detective work up to a new level.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 23, 2019, 11:35:16 PM
The story that Mike Love tells at the beginning about 'Barbara Ann' is inconsistent with the long, detailed anecdote about the song that appears in Ken Mansfield's memoir, "The White Book."

The way ML tells it, 'Party' was a throwaway album that Brian did to satisfy Capitol and exec Al Cory decided Barbara Ann should be released as a single.  The way Mansfield tells it, BW walked into his office with an acetate of Barbara Ann. Mansfield claims to have lectured Brian about how the song and production weren't up to the standard he set on Today and Summer Days.  Mansfield describes Brian staring daggers at him, silently getting up, taking the single from the turntable and walking to the door, stopping in the doorway and forcefully saying, "This IS our next single."  Mansfield then reports getting a subsequent call from Nick Grillo informing him that Brian preferred to have no further dealings with him.


I always heard that Brian did the Party album to get Capitol off his back, and the guys didn't want Barbara Ann out as a single. Maybe that's just an urban legend.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: juggler on October 24, 2019, 12:14:43 AM
The story that Mike Love tells at the beginning about 'Barbara Ann' is inconsistent with the long, detailed anecdote about the song that appears in Ken Mansfield's memoir, "The White Book."

The way ML tells it, 'Party' was a throwaway album that Brian did to satisfy Capitol and exec Al Cory decided Barbara Ann should be released as a single.  The way Mansfield tells it, BW walked into his office with an acetate of Barbara Ann. Mansfield claims to have lectured Brian about how the song and production weren't up to the standard he set on Today and Summer Days.  Mansfield describes Brian staring daggers at him, silently getting up, taking the single from the turntable and walking to the door, stopping in the doorway and forcefully saying, "This IS our next single."  Mansfield then reports getting a subsequent call from Nick Grillo informing him that Brian preferred to have no further dealings with him.


I always heard that Brian did the Party album to get Capitol off his back, and the guys didn't want Barbara Ann out as a single. Maybe that's just an urban legend.

Yeah, that's not the story that Ken Mansfield tells on pp 18-23 of his book:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Je7C3JHRs7UC&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&lpg=PA19&dq=%22acetate%20of%20barbara%20ann%22&pg=PA18#v=onepage&q=%22acetate%20of%20barbara%20ann%22&f=false


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: Love Thang on October 24, 2019, 06:26:52 PM
This interview from the early 90s gives us a peek into Mike's mind at the time. He sounds bitter and jealous of his gifted cousin. But as I listen to it, I realized how much Mike has changed over the years, he certainly isn't the same man he used to be.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljsGG3sbEL0


I’d rather spend an eternity in hell


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 24, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
This interview from the early 90s gives us a peek into Mike's mind at the time. He sounds bitter and jealous of his gifted cousin. But as I listen to it, I realized how much Mike has changed over the years, he certainly isn't the same man he used to be.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljsGG3sbEL0


I’d rather spend an eternity in hell

I'm right there with you, man. The only change I see is that he doesn't parade around the stage like an asshole like he used to do thank god!


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: chewy on October 25, 2019, 12:10:31 AM
Amen. The Mike of the early 90's was a different man than the Mike we know today. He was obviously not only bitter, but it definetely seems like he had some self-worth issues going on, hence all of the boasting, and throwing others under the bus. We always talk about mental health in relation to the Wilson brothers, but it's quite interesting to apply that same lens to Mike. Sure, he was still riding the high of Kokomo, but in this interview, I feel like I'm listening to a depressed, confused person.

The Mike of 2019 definitely has a "Cool Head and Warm Heart" compared to early 90's Mike. He seems to be more comfortable in his own skin, HIS legacy, without having to diminish others' accomplishments. Recently he was been more complimentary and far less bitter. Mike has come a long way.

so you're saying hes 'mellowed out' quite alot, yea, ive seen him a lot recently and i get it


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: rab2591 on October 25, 2019, 12:10:49 PM
Amen. The Mike of the early 90's was a different man than the Mike we know today. He was obviously not only bitter, but it definetely seems like he had some self-worth issues going on, hence all of the boasting, and throwing others under the bus. We always talk about mental health in relation to the Wilson brothers, but it's quite interesting to apply that same lens to Mike. Sure, he was still riding the high of Kokomo, but in this interview, I feel like I'm listening to a depressed, confused person.

The Mike of 2019 definitely has a "Cool Head and Warm Heart" compared to early 90's Mike. He seems to be more comfortable in his own skin, HIS legacy, without having to diminish others' accomplishments. Recently he was been more complimentary and far less bitter. Mike has come a long way.

I mean, the Mike of the early 90s is pretty much the same Mike in the mid-2000s (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-nov-04-et-quick4.4-story.html=), and even up until a year ago he was still trashing his cousin in interviews (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=25750.0) (talk about throwing people under the bus).

I will admit that Mike seems like a fairly changed person from the post-C50 temper tantrums he'd go on in the media. It seemed like every other month he was droning on about Melinda controlling Brian conspiracy theories or the fact the Wilson Brother's did hard drugs (and I 100% believe that those interviews did spark a lot of negative Mike posts here on this forum). I do think either Mike had a change of heart or his PR guy told him to lay off a bit. Which in turn has helped his image I think. I think he still has some resentment and bitterness (as the 2018 MOJO article shows) but he seems to keep it at bay and I give him a lot of credit for that.

And I think you bring up a great point Nate about Mike's mental health. Most in the fandom are pretty sympathetic/empathetic to Brian's mental health issues. But rarely does Mike get that pass...and perhaps that is because Mike is the one constantly being judgemental about his cousins and those around Brian, so you kinda assume that Mike views himself as having it all together. When perhaps Mike is so judgmental because he has a lot of mental issues he's dealing with. Anyways, just food for thought.

I'm really glad that Mike has been more chill in the media recently, and he does seem like a happier individual. I hope that trend continues.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: Ian on October 25, 2019, 12:18:19 PM
I am pretty sure nick grilling had nothing to do with the BBs in 1965


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: urbanite on October 25, 2019, 12:24:37 PM
If Mike has mellowed, I wonder if there will be one last reunion concert.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: juggler on October 26, 2019, 11:48:48 AM
I am pretty sure nick grilling had nothing to do with the BBs in 1965


Grillo.  And Mansfield doesn't say that the Grillo call occurred in 1965.  He says it occurred "soon after," which could have been 3 months later.  "Soon after," viewed from the perspective of a memoir 4 decades later, doesn't necessarily mean the next day.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: doc smiley on October 28, 2019, 06:53:24 AM
Isn't Mike planning another CD for 2020?


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: Ian on October 28, 2019, 01:38:00 PM
I know who he is but was typing on a phone. I don’t believe grillo entered the picture till 1967. He was certainly employed by 1968 though.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: joe_blow on October 28, 2019, 03:10:56 PM
I  think there were no calls from Grillo after the Friends sessions.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: juggler on October 28, 2019, 03:12:44 PM
I know who he is but was typing on a phone. I don’t believe grillo entered the picture till 1967.

That's incorrect.  Multiple sources indicate that Grillo was their accountant in early 1966, when he was still at Julius Lefkowitz and Company.
See for yourself... Nick Grillo's name is on this BB/Capitol contract dated March 1, 1966:
https://lelands.com/bids/1966-beach-boys-signed-capitol-records-contract


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: rab2591 on October 28, 2019, 06:30:05 PM
I  think there were no calls from Grillo after the Friends sessions.

I am happy I get this reference :-D However, is it the same Grillo as who everyone is talking about above? I think the Nick Grillo and the manager(?) Grillo were two different people. Not trying to nitpick your joke, but just want a confirmation from something I thought I read years ago on this forum (ie, Grillo from Friends and the Smile era Grillo are two different people).


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: Emdeeh on October 28, 2019, 08:44:13 PM
Nick Grillo was the manager during the post-Smile era. I have a letter from him, circa 1968.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: rab2591 on October 29, 2019, 03:42:30 AM
Nick Grillo was the manager during the post-Smile era. I have a letter from him, circa 1968.

Thanks much. In my tiredness last night I got Parks and Grillo mixed up in my head. The part in Be Here In The Morning when they mention Parks and Grillo, I used to think they meant Van Dyke Parks, but apparently there was another Parks that the song was referring to. Anywho, sorry for the confusion.

In regards to your post, that's awesome about the letter! Do you mind sharing what it was about?


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 29, 2019, 05:45:36 AM
I know who he is but was typing on a phone. I don’t believe grillo entered the picture till 1967.

That's incorrect.  Multiple sources indicate that Grillo was their accountant in early 1966, when he was still at Julius Lefkowitz and Company.
See for yourself... Nick Grillo's name is on this BB/Capitol contract dated March 1, 1966:
https://lelands.com/bids/1966-beach-boys-signed-capitol-records-contract

Yes - I wish I could remember where else I had seen similar information, but Nick Grillo was involved with the band prior to when many would think he got involved. It was Grillo the accountant, when David Anderle was getting Brother organized, who was a key figure if not the key figure in finding the proof needed to show Capitol was withholding money from the band from that initial "breakage" scam that helped Brother get started. And after Anderle left, it was Grillo who took over running Brother and managing the band, especially their finances.

A good guy who got f**ked out of his job, as many around this band experienced.


Title: Re: 2 Hours with Mike Love
Post by: hideyotsuburaya on October 29, 2019, 07:14:09 AM
wasn't it VanDyke Parks who once said he'd observed Nick Grillo to be the hardest working guy in a thankless job he'd ever seen then?  It's a shame things had to come to a head with Mike Love denying Nick repayment of an informal loan (as I have read it), but all things considered that may've been inevitable