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Title: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 07, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Might as well start this now...


Title: Brian Wilson - 2020 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on October 08, 2019, 07:29:37 AM
This is a list of 2020 tour dates for Brian Wilson. The shows are scheduled to include Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin.

2020 Tour Dates:

January 17, 2020 - Miami, FL - Magic City Casino
(SETLIST - https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2020/magic-city-casino-miami-fl-639b72d3.html)

January 19, 2020 - South Walton, FL - 30A Songwriters Festival
(SETLIST - Unavailable)

January 22, 2020 - Oxon Hill, MD - The Theater at MGM National Harbor
(SETLIST - https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2020/the-theater-at-mgm-national-harbor-national-harbor-md-739b52f5.html)

January 23, 2020 - Uncasville, CT - Mohegan Sun Arena
(SETLIST - https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2020/mohegan-sun-arena-uncasville-ct-4398b77b.html)

January 24, 2020 - Lynn, MA - Lynn Auditorium (Rescheduled from June 7)
(SETLIST - Unavailable) (Originally a "Pet Sounds" show)

January 25, 2020 - Englewood, NJ - Bergen Performing Arts Center
(SETLIST - https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2020/bergen-performing-arts-center-englewood-nj-1b98b924.html)

February 3, 2020 - Cayamo 2020 Cruise - Stardust Theater
(SETLIST - https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2020/norwegian-pearl-miami-fl-b98f512.html)

February 7, 2020 - Cayamo 2020 Cruise - Stardust Theater
(SETLIST - Unavailable)

February 15, 2020 - Metairie, LA - Family Gras at Clearview Center
(SETLIST - https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2020/clearview-shopping-center-metairie-la-33981849.html)

May 6, 2020 -  Tokyo, Japan - Tokyo Garden Theater
May 7, 2020 - Osaka, Japan - ZEPP Namba

May 29, 2020 -  Kvaerndrup, Denmark - Heartland Festival
May 31, 2020 - Brighton, England -  The Dome
June 1, 2020 - London, England - Royal Albert Hall
June 4, 2020 - Glasgow, Scotland - SEC Armadillo
June 6, 2020 - Gateshead, England - The Sage
June 8, 2020 - Birmingham, England - Birmingham Symphony Hall
June 9, 2020 - Nottingham, England - Nottingham Concert Hall
June 10, 2020 - Manchester, England - Bridgewater Hall
June 12, 2020 - Bournemouth, England - BIC – Windsor Hall
June 13, 2020 - Cardiff, England - Motorpoint Arena
June 14, 2020 - Leeds, England - Leeds Town Hall
June 16, 2020 - Blackpool, England - Blackpool Opera
June 17, 2020 - Cambridge, England - Corn Exchange
June 19, 2020 - Victoria-Gasteiz, Spain - Askena Rock
June 21, 2020 - Munich, Germany - Philharmonie
June 22, 2020 - Amsterdam, Netherlands - Royal Theater Carré
June 24, 2020 - Antwerp, Belgium - Rivierenhof
June 26, 2020 - Groningen, Netherlands - De Oosterport
June 27, 2020 - Lingen, Denmark - Emsland Arena

August 8, 2020 - Wantagh, NY - Laid Back Music Festival at Jones Beach
August 9, 2020 - Holmdel, NJ - PNC Bank Arts Center



Title: Re: Brian Wilson - 2020 Tour Thread
Post by: HeyJude on October 08, 2019, 07:36:13 AM
I scoured for additional 2020 dates and found a few more. I'm guessing it's going to be mostly or all "regular" shows, as the only PS show on the schedule for 2020 is a rescheduled date from 2019.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 08, 2019, 12:49:13 PM
*merged*


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: juggler on October 08, 2019, 03:29:20 PM
So, in honor of the year, will Brian do a show or shows performing the 20/20 album? 
(Perhaps excluding Never Learn Not to Love, as I doubt either the band or the audience wants those bad vibes).


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on October 11, 2019, 08:45:36 AM
So, in honor of the year, will Brian do a show or shows performing the 20/20 album? 
(Perhaps excluding Never Learn Not to Love, as I doubt either the band or the audience wants those bad vibes).


That's not a bad idea.  They have done Do it Again, I Can Hear Music, Our Prayer and Cottonfields in the past few years so could add them to the setlist quite easily.  I'd love to hear Bluebirds over the Mountain, Cabinessence, and, I'm going to go out on a wild limb here, Celebrate the News. 





Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on October 11, 2019, 01:13:25 PM
The DC date appears set for about a capacity of 4,000 (perhaps not utilizing all floor space, or bringing the stage forward) with tickets ranging from $50-$500 for the meet and greet package. Seeing as its a weeknight, a poor choice of venue, and at least a two hour drive in DC traffic mid-week, I'll have to pass on this one!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on October 14, 2019, 07:52:51 AM
So, in honor of the year, will Brian do a show or shows performing the 20/20 album? 
(Perhaps excluding Never Learn Not to Love, as I doubt either the band or the audience wants those bad vibes).


That's not a bad idea.  They have done Do it Again, I Can Hear Music, Our Prayer and Cottonfields in the past few years so could add them to the setlist quite easily.  I'd love to hear Bluebirds over the Mountain, Cabinessence, and, I'm going to go out on a wild limb here, Celebrate the News. 





I can definitely see Al and Matt doing Break Away together too.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Crow on October 15, 2019, 06:28:32 AM
I hope he comes to Minneapolis. I think this time I am going to break down and do the Meet and Greet.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: roffels on October 15, 2019, 04:45:35 PM
I hope he comes to Minneapolis. I think this time I am going to break down and do the Meet and Greet.
I'm not sure if he's going to do more meet and greets - the last couple shows I've gone to haven't had the option (Minneapolis Christmas show, Surf's Up Milwaukee show)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: twentytwenty on October 17, 2019, 11:19:09 AM
So, in honor of the year, will Brian do a show or shows performing the 20/20 album? 
(Perhaps excluding Never Learn Not to Love, as I doubt either the band or the audience wants those bad vibes).


A good song is a good song that is a good song. I always sing along to that one, one of my absolute favorites from the album


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: harrisonjon on November 01, 2019, 02:34:21 AM
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February 3-10, 2020 - Cayamo 2020 Cruise

WTF?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on November 01, 2019, 04:46:38 AM
So, in honor of the year, will Brian do a show or shows performing the 20/20 album? 
(Perhaps excluding Never Learn Not to Love, as I doubt either the band or the audience wants those bad vibes).


A good song is a good song that is a good song. I always sing along to that one, one of my absolute favorites from the album
Yes, what's bad about NLNTL? Great song duh!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on November 01, 2019, 10:54:52 AM
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February 3-10, 2020 - Cayamo 2020 Cruise

WTF?

https://www.cayamo.com/

This was announced some time ago. I think Al and also Mike&Bruce did them a few years ago so they must be a tidy earner. Hey, it’s the middle of winter and you get the offer to be on a paid vacation? I’m in!

Edit: M&B doing another later in 2020.

https://maltshopcruise.com/lineup/the-beach-boys/


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: juggler on November 01, 2019, 01:52:17 PM
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February 3-10, 2020 - Cayamo 2020 Cruise

WTF?

https://www.cayamo.com/

This was announced some time ago. I think Al and also Mike&Bruce did them a few years ago so they must be a tidy earner. Hey, it’s the middle of winter and you get the offer to be on a paid vacation? I’m in!

Edit: M&B doing another later in 2020.

https://maltshopcruise.com/lineup/the-beach-boys/

Interesting.  Do M&B perform Still Cruisin' on these things?  :lol


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: NateRuvin on November 01, 2019, 02:23:44 PM
Interesting to see that with M&B's Malt Shop Memories Cruise, Dean Torrence and the Surf City Allstars are also playing, as "Jan and Dean's Beach Party Starring Dean Torrence". We know that while Dean plays 5-8 of J&D's most recognizable hits, his setlists are pretty BBs heavy. And at this point, it's not just like he throws in Surfin Safari or Little Deuce Coupe (which J&D recorded in their heyday) , but now his band also plays stuff like God Only Knows, Wouldn't It Be Nice, and Sail On Sailor. It seems that whoever goes first would steal the other band's thunder. I'm not sure how many people want TWO BBs shows (although I wouldn't be complaining!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8))

Maybe it'll push Dean to dive into the J&D catalog a little more and bring back stuff he's rarely played since Jan passed... Baby Talk, Linda, Jennie Lee ... and maybe even bring some J&D classics to the stage that haven't been played in decades- I can see the Doo Wop stuff like Heart & Soul, Popsicle, Who Put The Bomp, going over well in this "oldies" setting, even though Dean isn't a huge fan of that era. It's hard to imagine Three Window Coupe or I Found A Girl wouldn't bring a few smiles.

Either way, having both acts is a treat for a "California Sound" fan, but an odd choice marketing wise. Marketing one would potentially step on the other's toes, since there's so much thematic and content overlap. But I also have no doubt that The BBs will be presented as a much more major act than Dean. Perhaps Dean will be BB's opening act. Just the J&D songs to set the crowd up and set the scene... And if that doesn't happen, I have a feeling he might join Mike's band for the encore, which he's done for years.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Shady on November 01, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
I'll never understand why they make Brian tour so much


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 01, 2019, 08:59:51 PM
I'll never understand why they make Brian tour so much
$$$$$


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Shady on November 03, 2019, 11:54:50 AM
Sad

He's on the road way too much. Really bad management.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 03, 2019, 10:31:52 PM
Sad

He's on the road way too much. Really bad management.
I'd be more interested in hearing some new music from Brian and Al. Still waiting for the rock and roll album.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on November 04, 2019, 10:41:05 PM
Back to the cruise deal. They’re all into it.

Kiss Kruise a few days ago.

https://youtu.be/n1Ap27WFEfI


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 05, 2019, 06:01:14 AM
I'll never understand why they make Brian tour so much
$$$$$

I see this get thrown around here a lot (mostly from you Lonely Summer), do you have insider information as to how much Brian and the band make from these tours? I looked for a while this morning on the web and couldn't find any annual (or overall) monetary figures associated with Brian's touring.

Again I'll say, his net worth (not money in the bank but still an indicator of him not hurting for money) is 75 million dollars. I don't know how much of that 75 million is associated with his touring. But given the amount of band members (this being a major one), roadies, security, hotel rooms, bus maintenance, gas money, food, etc - I just wonder how much they even pull in at the end of the day to make this a supposedly gargantuan moneymaker for Brian and Melinda.

Anyone with any input on current touring figures (or even previously known figures) I'd be grateful for your input. I just see this get thrown around a lot and I'd like to know if there's any actual bearing to these kinds of comments.

He's on the road way too much. Really bad management.

You ever wondered if Brian tours because he enjoys it more than sitting around at home or being in the studio these days? Or perhaps that being on tour keeping his mind occupied is better than Brian sitting in an armchair at home watching re-runs of Wheel of Fortune all day?

I would absolutely rather Brian be recording in the studio than touring, but I'm also a fan who knows literally nothing about Brian's likes and dislikes/ wants and needs these days. A lot of fans sh*t all over his No Pier Pressure album - why the heck would he want to go back to recording if he'll just get the same reception? Whereas on tour he doesn't hear boos, he doesn't hear kids calling his music "f*cking stupid" - on tour he hears applause even when he's not even in top form. I'm not saying that Brian does this stuff for approval, but he probably also doesn't want to be heckled via the internet by hateful fans after putting months of his time into recording an album.

Again, I know nothing about Brian these days, but I do know that he is 2 and a half years from being 80 years old. It is astounding to me that after the insane amount of street drugs, the weight gains, the acid trips, the overdoses of pharmaceuticals that basically gave Brian a stroke, the psychological torment he went through from Landy, his own schizoaffective diagnosis and manic depression - after all of that he is almost 80 years old, alive and well singing at concerts in front of hundreds of fans every other night. I wouldn't call that bad management at all. I call that a friggin miracle.

Say what we want about what we think Brian should be doing with his life right now. But us fans have no idea what is best for Brian. We have no idea if Brian even wants to tour or not (though I will say the often quoted quote: "Brian never does anything he doesn't want to do"). So thus I don't think it's fair to claim that there is bad management going on when us fans know pretty much nothing about this subject.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on November 05, 2019, 08:00:44 AM

Fantastic post, Rab!! Everything you stated had to be said especially the part concerning the stupid abuse he received about his last album from misinformed fans about autotune, etc. I wouldn't blame Brian for never releasing anything new after that kind of crappy behavior. And, he got the same treatment from the idiot he made rich who went on to record his POS album loaded with autotune. Brian gets ragged on too much about this that or the other thing far too much for someone who is in his twilight years. DLTBGYD, Brian.  :bw


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Debbie KL on November 05, 2019, 12:02:03 PM

Fantastic post, Rab!! Everything you stated had to be said especially the part concerning the stupid abuse he received about his last album from misinformed fans about autotune, etc. I wouldn't blame Brian for never releasing anything new after that kind of crappy behavior. And, he got the same treatment from the idiot he made rich who went on to record his POS album loaded with autotune. Brian gets ragged on too much about this that or the other thing far too much for someone who is in his twilight years. DLTBGYD, Brian.  :bw

Agreed, OSD! And thanks Rab. Brian pretty much does exactly what he wants, as you said. I think he's earned that right by now. Crap about his being forced to tour is some bizarre fantasy that won't die from a few fans who have likely been fed bs. As far as I know, Brian isn't interested in recording anything right now. Of course, that could change tomorrow. He's Brian.

I don't mean to sound rude and unappreciative to Brian's fans, but all indications are that he learned decades ago not to worry about a few critics. He pays no attention and does what he wants as an artist and a person. That's a sound plan, and was even true in the early 80's and I'm pretty sure, before that. While I'm certainly not hanging out with him these days, I trust what I hear from the people who do. I think that attitude became part of his survival. He enjoys appreciative fans, ignores the others, and has for some time.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on November 05, 2019, 05:58:59 PM
I've said it before on here and was shot down, but I'll add it again as it seems relevant: a touring insider (as we'll call them- no one on Brian's team, but still involved with the event) told me in 2015 at Montgomery College that Brian's tour would barely break even an that at the end of the day, merchandise and VIP packages is where the marginal profit was being turned.

They don't run a cheap production. There are a LOT of people involved and a lot of accommodations made, not just for Brian. Plus, recently I'd say more so 2018 onward, they don't seem to be filling the venues like the first few years out of C50 with the Jeff Beck tour, No Pier Pressure, and the initial 50th Farewell to Pet Sounds. I only see two ways to really turn this around, if they even want to bother with that. Maybe packed houses aren't a concern, but less packed houses will lead to less bookings...anyway: Option #1 The Beach Boys reunite (HA!) Option #2 Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE...again. It's been long enough and I know that I'd be first in line for this show, with this band (and AL!!!). But, this would be incredibly taxing for Brian however, I believe if he were truly driven to do it, then it could still be something special.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 05, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
Cheers to Rab, OSD, and Debbie for excellent and on-the-mark posts and comments.


I'll never understand why they make Brian tour so much

Sad

He's on the road way too much. Really bad management.


Simple question: What if someone were to say *Brian* was the one who wanted to do more touring and keep booking live shows? Would you believe it?



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 05, 2019, 07:13:03 PM
I've said it before on here and was shot down, but I'll add it again as it seems relevant: a touring insider (as we'll call them- no one on Brian's team, but still involved with the event) told me in 2015 at Montgomery College that Brian's tour would barely break even an that at the end of the day, merchandise and VIP packages is where the marginal profit was being turned.

They don't run a cheap production. There are a LOT of people involved and a lot of accommodations made, not just for Brian. Plus, recently I'd say more so 2018 onward, they don't seem to be filling the venues like the first few years out of C50 with the Jeff Beck tour, No Pier Pressure, and the initial 50th Farewell to Pet Sounds. I only see two ways to really turn this around, if they even want to bother with that. Maybe packed houses aren't a concern, but less packed houses will lead to less bookings...anyway: Option #1 The Beach Boys reunite (HA!) Option #2 Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE...again. It's been long enough and I know that I'd be first in line for this show, with this band (and AL!!!). But, this would be incredibly taxing for Brian however, I believe if he were truly driven to do it, then it could still be something special.

Thank you for this. Regardless of whether this perfectly reflects the rest of the tour or not, it is a glimpse into how this operation possibly can't be the gravy train bonanza some think it is...and that's not a knock at the tour. On the contrary if they aren't making a killing it goes to show how this touring is done for the love of the music (or other reasons) rather than sole monetary benefit...much to the chagrin of several posters who seem to have pent-up angst about Melinda for some reason.

I don't mean to sound rude and unappreciative to Brian's fans, but all indications are that he learned decades ago not to worry about a few critics. He pays no attention and does what he wants as an artist and a person. That's a sound plan, and was even true in the early 80's and I'm pretty sure, before that. While I'm certainly not hanging out with him these days, I trust what I hear from the people who do. I think that attitude became part of his survival. He enjoys appreciative fans, ignores the others, and has for some time.

While I believe this is 100% on point, didn't Brian/Brian's management stop putting out demos of Brian's solo work on his forum because some fans berated the work many many years ago? I thought I heard a story about Brian actually reading the comments and getting depressed and thus they stopped giving goodies to fans on that forum. I could totally be misremembering that story.

Regardless, I'm glad to hear that Brian has a system for ignoring the BS these days.

Also, if anyone has any more comments regarding Brian's touring and financial gain I'd love to hear them - proving or disproving this notion that Brian is being controlled solely for monetary gain. I'm just tired of reading comments that aren't backed up by any factual data...but rather just flippant comments meant to slander people close to Brian.  


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 05, 2019, 07:48:49 PM
Rab: Yes, that happened. They used to post outtakes, unused tracks, and other assorted audio through the site. In that case you referenced, and correct me if I'm wrong about what it was, an unused track from the Christmas album was posted. Then some "fans" started trashing it. Brian himself responded in an unusually angry reply, and the posting of rare tracks stopped.

So thanks to those "fans" for ruining a good thing. But like you also said, Rab, there are cases like those kids who thought it was fun to trash another album of Brian's, an album which one of them didn't even pay for but had received it as a gift and nice gesture from a fellow fan, and unfortunately some must just like to be assholes about certain things even if the reviewers couldn't agree if it was real or a joke review. Wonder how their message board is working out. No, wait, actually I could give two shits about that or them, it's past history.

So yes, indeed, some idiotic comments did scuttle what was a cool thing that was being done for Brian's fans, and I don't blame him a bit for basically telling them to f**k off. It's a sentiment I've shared many times. And if he's now not bothering to look at those comments, good for him! Who needs that bullshit when you've done what Brian Wilson has done in his lifetime.

PS - If I recall too, Brian's fans got that outtake of "What A Wonderful World" through the same online channel that got ruined by the negative comments...and that is a simply amazing track. So it was fun while it lasted, before the idiots got involved. Am I remembering that correctly?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: beatle608 on November 05, 2019, 07:57:02 PM
I hope he comes to Minneapolis. I think this time I am going to break down and do the Meet and Greet.
I'm not sure if he's going to do more meet and greets - the last couple shows I've gone to haven't had the option (Minneapolis Christmas show, Surf's Up Milwaukee show)

There was a meet and greet at the Minneapolis Christmas show, but it seems they ended them sometime this year.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 06, 2019, 04:34:35 AM
Rab: Yes, that happened. They used to post outtakes, unused tracks, and other assorted audio through the site. In that case you referenced, and correct me if I'm wrong about what it was, an unused track from the Christmas album was posted. Then some "fans" started trashing it. Brian himself responded in an unusually angry reply, and the posting of rare tracks stopped.

So thanks to those "fans" for ruining a good thing. But like you also said, Rab, there are cases like those kids who thought it was fun to trash another album of Brian's, an album which one of them didn't even pay for but had received it as a gift and nice gesture from a fellow fan, and unfortunately some must just like to be assholes about certain things even if the reviewers couldn't agree if it was real or a joke review. Wonder how their message board is working out. No, wait, actually I could give two shits about that or them, it's past history.

So yes, indeed, some idiotic comments did scuttle what was a cool thing that was being done for Brian's fans, and I don't blame him a bit for basically telling them to f**k off. It's a sentiment I've shared many times. And if he's now not bothering to look at those comments, good for him! Who needs that bullshit when you've done what Brian Wilson has done in his lifetime.

PS - If I recall too, Brian's fans got that outtake of "What A Wonderful World" through the same online channel that got ruined by the negative comments...and that is a simply amazing track. So it was fun while it lasted, before the idiots got involved. Am I remembering that correctly?

What a damn shame.

I know Debbie said that Brian isolates himself from the critics, but perhaps people still need to ask themselves "What if Brian decided to look at Smiley Smile today?" before they post. Whether or not he would, perhaps there's a possibility that one day he'd be curious to look up The Beach Boys on google and he'd stumble across Smiley Smile.

Imagine reading that some of your "fans" think your music is "f*cking stupid". Imagine seeing your wife being called a bad manager. Imagine seeing a vocal minority claim that you have zero free will in your life. That your band members are using you for financial gain. That your wife is controlling you for financial gain. That you need to give up touring.

Brian receives so much undeserved vitriol about his life...and it's really sad to read.

Someone writes "$$$$$" as a response to why Brian tours. And they say that the band (including someone like Nicky Wonder) is/was using Brian for monetary reasons. It's a shame that people who have this mindset don't think out what their accusations fully imply...because if they did I highly doubt they'd be so quick to post these kinds of comments.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Rocker on November 06, 2019, 04:55:08 AM
Rab: Yes, that happened. They used to post outtakes, unused tracks, and other assorted audio through the site. In that case you referenced, and correct me if I'm wrong about what it was, an unused track from the Christmas album was posted. Then some "fans" started trashing it. Brian himself responded in an unusually angry reply, and the posting of rare tracks stopped.

So thanks to those "fans" for ruining a good thing. But like you also said, Rab, there are cases like those kids who thought it was fun to trash another album of Brian's, an album which one of them didn't even pay for but had received it as a gift and nice gesture from a fellow fan, and unfortunately some must just like to be assholes about certain things even if the reviewers couldn't agree if it was real or a joke review. Wonder how their message board is working out. No, wait, actually I could give two shits about that or them, it's past history.

So yes, indeed, some idiotic comments did scuttle what was a cool thing that was being done for Brian's fans, and I don't blame him a bit for basically telling them to f**k off. It's a sentiment I've shared many times. And if he's now not bothering to look at those comments, good for him! Who needs that bullshit when you've done what Brian Wilson has done in his lifetime.

PS - If I recall too, Brian's fans got that outtake of "What A Wonderful World" through the same online channel that got ruined by the negative comments...and that is a simply amazing track. So it was fun while it lasted, before the idiots got involved. Am I remembering that correctly?



Don't know about "What a wonderful world". I always thought that was just a bootleg. So it did have a semi-official release?

Regarding the other story, yes, IIRC it was a Christmas tune Brian had recorded at home and didn't even pretend it was something like a preview for a new album or similar. And then some people on the messageboard basically started to b*tch around that this wasn't a new GOK


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: GoodVibrations33 on November 06, 2019, 07:01:13 AM
I remember the Silent Night he released on the website back then got some negativity thrown at it by some fans online.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on November 06, 2019, 07:04:22 AM

Don't know about "What a wonderful world". I always thought that was just a bootleg. So it did have a semi-official release?


Every version of "What a Wonderful World" I've ever heard has sounded like a tenth generation cassette dub ripped to a low bitrate MP3 from like 20 years ago, so I don't think an official source has ever put that out, even streaming or as a download. Which is a shame, because it's a pretty marvelous performance and arrangement.

Even if it wasn't actually ever earmarked for "Orange Crate Art", it would be a nice addition to a deluxe version of that album. Or just put the song out by some other means. A pristine "What a Wonderful World" would be near the top of my list of latter-day Brian outtakes to hear in good quality.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Debbie KL on November 06, 2019, 01:48:47 PM
Rab: Yes, that happened. They used to post outtakes, unused tracks, and other assorted audio through the site. In that case you referenced, and correct me if I'm wrong about what it was, an unused track from the Christmas album was posted. Then some "fans" started trashing it. Brian himself responded in an unusually angry reply, and the posting of rare tracks stopped.

So thanks to those "fans" for ruining a good thing. But like you also said, Rab, there are cases like those kids who thought it was fun to trash another album of Brian's, an album which one of them didn't even pay for but had received it as a gift and nice gesture from a fellow fan, and unfortunately some must just like to be assholes about certain things even if the reviewers couldn't agree if it was real or a joke review. Wonder how their message board is working out. No, wait, actually I could give two shits about that or them, it's past history.

So yes, indeed, some idiotic comments did scuttle what was a cool thing that was being done for Brian's fans, and I don't blame him a bit for basically telling them to f**k off. It's a sentiment I've shared many times. And if he's now not bothering to look at those comments, good for him! Who needs that bullshit when you've done what Brian Wilson has done in his lifetime.

PS - If I recall too, Brian's fans got that outtake of "What A Wonderful World" through the same online channel that got ruined by the negative comments...and that is a simply amazing track. So it was fun while it lasted, before the idiots got involved. Am I remembering that correctly?

What a damn shame.

I know Debbie said that Brian isolates himself from the critics, but perhaps people still need to ask themselves "What if Brian decided to look at Smiley Smile today?" before they post. Whether or not he would, perhaps there's a possibility that one day he'd be curious to look up The Beach Boys on google and he'd stumble across Smiley Smile.

Imagine reading that some of your "fans" think your music is "f*cking stupid". Imagine seeing your wife being called a bad manager. Imagine seeing a vocal minority claim that you have zero free will in your life. That your band members are using you for financial gain. That your wife is controlling you for financial gain. That you need to give up touring.

Brian receives so much undeserved vitriol about his life...and it's really sad to read.

Someone writes "$$$$$" as a response to why Brian tours. And they say that the band (including someone like Nicky Wonder) is/was using Brian for monetary reasons. It's a shame that people who have this mindset don't think out what their accusations fully imply...because if they did I highly doubt they'd be so quick to post these kinds of comments.

Thanks for pointing this out , Rab and GF. I assumed I was being a bit too flippant in my post. I'm not surprised that if Brian was shown unappreciative comments about his gift of a rough work in the past, he was likely annoyed. I hate that real fans may have lost access to this great, informative stuff because of a few self-important trolls online.

One thing I'm certain of is that Brian knows who he is and what he's contributed. He cares a lot about what other truly gifted artists have to say about his work, along with knowledgeable fans. I don't believe for a minute that he cares about some ridiculous person who spends their time online attacking him from behind a pseudonym thinks. What's their point, anyway? I guess it gives them some sort of thrill to think that they're messing with Brian or the people around him. I think that's a rare occurrence these days and Brian would just walk away from it anyway. The stupidity of it all is an annoyance, at best. Unfortunately, this could be at the loss of real fans Brian enjoys.

You and Rab also pointed out how completely insulting this is to Brian's devoted band members and others who have supported him for decades - like they would allow Brian to be abused. That's what used to send me into orbit. Now, I just see a few sad little people spreading rumors (whomever they are) who need far more attention than they're getting in their real lives. Maybe they should focus on that, rather than thinking they're going to bring down the greatness of Brian Wilson. That ship has sailed. Their opinions don't matter at all.   


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on November 06, 2019, 02:01:01 PM

So well said, Deb, and as always, the straight truth. Thank you for shaming those uninformed clowns and setting the record straight.  :bw


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Shady on November 07, 2019, 10:54:30 AM
Sorry, you can't tell me Brian likes his hectic touring schedule.

Not buying it, just my opinion


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on November 07, 2019, 11:19:21 AM
Sorry, you can't tell me Brian likes his hectic touring schedule.

Not buying it, just my opinion

Despite him saying so? I think he likes the alternative even less.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 07, 2019, 11:22:01 AM
Sorry, you can't tell me Brian likes his hectic touring schedule.

Not buying it, just my opinion

Thus, the difference between your opinions and the reality of the situation. As in the reality that no one is "forcing" Brian Wilson to tour, and Brian himself wants to book more shows versus your unwavering opinion that bad management and whatever other entities surrounding Brian are forcing him to keep playing shows against his wishes.

Is there a basis for these opinions, is this more bull coming from some phony "insiders" and online mouthpieces again?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 07, 2019, 12:46:16 PM
Sorry, you can't tell me Brian likes his hectic touring schedule.

Not buying it, just my opinion

Despite him saying so? I think he likes the alternative even less.


When I had my second stroke a couple of years ago i had to relearn how to type and my speech was affected. I was supposed to be out indefinitely. I willed and work myself to be able to return to work (I work in a tech support call center) in about three months. It’s taken over two years but I’m about where I was before the second one. I was supposed to be on disability. If I had listened to everyone else I’d be using a walker (which I refused) or still using a cane. I’m a stubborn son of a bitch. Brian seems to be the same way . I think he’d rather be pushing himself and getting adulation from his fans than stay at home in pain watching the Tamron Hall show.

But hey, I’m just someone with common sense, what the hell do I know? I mean, people who know Brian have said the same thing too! Hell, Brian could do a video of him saying the same thing, and certain people would still be making their little comments.

Whatever.

It’s pathetic.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Kid Presentable on November 07, 2019, 01:19:22 PM
Isn't the correct answer that he used to hate touring and he still very likely hates touring, but he realises rightfully that it is still the right choice to make right now in his life and he does everything he can to find ways to make touring more tolerable? What's he going to do, hit the road all the time and tell the press how much he hates touring?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 07, 2019, 02:36:30 PM
Amazing post, Billy. I'm so glad you've got a hard working spirit about you and that you're feeling better these days.

I think he’d rather be pushing himself and getting adulation from his fans than stay at home in pain watching the Tamron Hall show.

This 100%.

And to anyone who believes Brian is touring against his own will: if this were a major problem (and Brian was being forced against his will to tour and was completely unhappy with the touring arrangement), you are saying that all the band members, Brian's doctors, Brian's daughters, Brian's friends, Brian's family all completely ignore Brian's mental state. That is a huge implication. Because you're implying that those close to Brian are either too ignorant to see Brian's supposed unhappiness and depression about the situation or they are willfully allowing Brian to be controlled against his own will.

Both implications paint those around Brian to either be completely stupid or completely evil...and I know that none of those are the case. I mean when Brian was unable to handle touring recently he postponed the tour. If Brian were unable to handle it now he would cancel the rest of his touring dates. It's that simple.

Both Billy and Kid Presentable raise good points - Brian could hate touring (or the aspect of stage fright), but he pushes through his fears for his own good...all functioning adults do this. We all have fears and roadblocks we need to push through for the good of our own lives.

TBH, Shady, I get where you're coming from. When I first came to Smiley Smile there was the occasional post that talked about Brian being a vegetable (these posts would come from people who were seemingly well informed) - and thus for years it was hard for me to think that Brian could have any free will at all. Then I realized where my information was coming from and it all stemmed from a small cadre with an ax to grind about Melinda. And then you read posts from people who actually have contact with Brian and you realize that Brian is a completely different person from the vegetable that others paint him as.

Anyways, we're all entitled to our opinions, but we need to think about what our opinions imply.



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 07, 2019, 02:58:30 PM
Rab: Yes, that happened. They used to post outtakes, unused tracks, and other assorted audio through the site. In that case you referenced, and correct me if I'm wrong about what it was, an unused track from the Christmas album was posted. Then some "fans" started trashing it. Brian himself responded in an unusually angry reply, and the posting of rare tracks stopped.

So thanks to those "fans" for ruining a good thing. But like you also said, Rab, there are cases like those kids who thought it was fun to trash another album of Brian's, an album which one of them didn't even pay for but had received it as a gift and nice gesture from a fellow fan, and unfortunately some must just like to be assholes about certain things even if the reviewers couldn't agree if it was real or a joke review. Wonder how their message board is working out. No, wait, actually I could give two shits about that or them, it's past history.

So yes, indeed, some idiotic comments did scuttle what was a cool thing that was being done for Brian's fans, and I don't blame him a bit for basically telling them to f**k off. It's a sentiment I've shared many times. And if he's now not bothering to look at those comments, good for him! Who needs that bullshit when you've done what Brian Wilson has done in his lifetime.

PS - If I recall too, Brian's fans got that outtake of "What A Wonderful World" through the same online channel that got ruined by the negative comments...and that is a simply amazing track. So it was fun while it lasted, before the idiots got involved. Am I remembering that correctly?

What a damn shame.

I know Debbie said that Brian isolates himself from the critics, but perhaps people still need to ask themselves "What if Brian decided to look at Smiley Smile today?" before they post. Whether or not he would, perhaps there's a possibility that one day he'd be curious to look up The Beach Boys on google and he'd stumble across Smiley Smile.

Imagine reading that some of your "fans" think your music is "f*cking stupid". Imagine seeing your wife being called a bad manager. Imagine seeing a vocal minority claim that you have zero free will in your life. That your band members are using you for financial gain. That your wife is controlling you for financial gain. That you need to give up touring.

Brian receives so much undeserved vitriol about his life...and it's really sad to read.

Someone writes "$$$$$" as a response to why Brian tours. And they say that the band (including someone like Nicky Wonder) is/was using Brian for monetary reasons. It's a shame that people who have this mindset don't think out what their accusations fully imply...because if they did I highly doubt they'd be so quick to post these kinds of comments.
I wish you had been around in the 70s when David Leaf, among others, was accusing Mike, Al, Carl and Dennis of using Brian for monetary reasons. "Come on Brian, get in there and write us another hit song!"
Of course, it is completely acceptable to put words like that in the mouth of Satan himself, Mike Love.  ::)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 07, 2019, 03:14:52 PM
It’s not the 70s anymore though , although at least you’ve explained a bit why you belittle Brian at every possible opportunity.  Time to let some of that aggression go.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 07, 2019, 03:22:49 PM
When opinions are proven wrong by fact, then how much tolerance should there be for those who continue to insist their opinion, despite being countered by fact, is the real truth?

I'm tired of this sh*t, to be honest. The only answer is what I posted above, that Brian is the one who wants to be touring and booking more shows. The source for that info is, as some would say, absolutely impeccable.  If you don't believe me personally, that's fine...I don't care. Just accept in this case what is the truth and stop trying to claim opinion as fact.

It really is that simple. BRIAN wants to play more shows. He is not being forced. End of story.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 07, 2019, 03:35:24 PM
I wish you had been around in the 70s when David Leaf, among others, was accusing Mike, Al, Carl and Dennis of using Brian for monetary reasons. "Come on Brian, get in there and write us another hit song!"
Of course, it is completely acceptable to put words like that in the mouth of Satan himself, Mike Love.  ::)

I'm looking at the here and now....which you seem to be completely incapable of deciphering. I am partially appreciative that you do drop the occasional illogical one-liner potshots at Brian and his management (and his band for some peculiar reason) only because you open up the opportunity to converse about the topic which just may help newer fans see the fallacies in these ill-informed opinions regarding Melinda and the band.

Also, I'm glad to see that you actually have the ability to reply to my posts - maybe one day you may even try to refute any of my points.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on November 07, 2019, 03:47:23 PM
First up...Billy. Well done man. Motivational stuff!

Secondly, it doesn’t make sense for Brian’s people to be 100% behind a movie portraying him as being bullied and controlled....then to bully and control him. It’s really that simple to me.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 07, 2019, 04:01:34 PM
First up...Billy. Well done man. Motivational stuff!

Secondly, it doesn’t make sense for Brian’s people to be 100% behind a movie portraying him as being bullied and controlled....then to bully and control him. It’s really that simple to me.

But that's how sadistic Melinda is! /s

It's like the moon landing conspiracy - if it was true you'd be banking on every scientist, engineer, astronaut, down to the damn janitor keeping their mouths shut. In this case, where are the throngs of roadies, band members, family of band members, family of Brian, friends of Brian, his own friggin UCLA doctors reporting this ongoing controlling behavior? Again, the implication here is that every person in contact with Brian is either completely ignorant or in on the plot. Either of which are completely asinine.

Thanks Guitarfool for your post! Sadly, like moon landing conspiracy theorists, or flat-earthers, you could literally show them direct irrefutable evidence and they'd continue to ignore it.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 07, 2019, 04:09:10 PM


Thanks PF....much appreciated

As for the latter, that’s one question I can’t get an answer for.


Let me also clarify this wasn’t directed at you Shady, more Lonely Summer ‘s post


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 07, 2019, 10:44:59 PM
It’s not the 70s anymore though , although at least you’ve explained a bit why you belittle Brian at every possible opportunity.  Time to let some of that aggression go.
I would never belittle Brian Wilson. That is the point. The man has given us everything and more; the music just flowed out of him for many years, he was tuned in to the channel. IMO, that alone should have earned him the right to do whatever he wants to do; he's a human being, not a machine to be turned on and off at will.
I look at the videos from recent concerts and he looks absolutely miserable, as if he would rather be anyplace but up on that stage. I recognize it is considered blasphemous to say that here, the home of those who believe everything spewed out by the Wilson camp without question. "Oh, Brian says he wants to tour, so obviously we have to believe what he says".
Right. Brian has a history of saying what he thinks the people around him expect him to say. If I believed everything Brian has ever said, then I would have to believe he should never have been separated from Landy, because Brian himself said he didn't want their partnership terminated.
So I keep looking at those concert clips on youtube, and I just see a guy in pain, looking miserable. I think he is doing the best he can, but I feel sad for the guy, ESPECIALLY after all he has given us.
Maybe i'll get banned here now. That's fine.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 08, 2019, 02:57:29 AM
It’s not the 70s anymore though , although at least you’ve explained a bit why you belittle Brian at every possible opportunity.  Time to let some of that aggression go.
I would never belittle Brian Wilson. That is the point. The man has given us everything and more; the music just flowed out of him for many years, he was tuned in to the channel. IMO, that alone should have earned him the right to do whatever he wants to do; he's a human being, not a machine to be turned on and off at will.
I look at the videos from recent concerts and he looks absolutely miserable, as if he would rather be anyplace but up on that stage. I recognize it is considered blasphemous to say that here, the home of those who believe everything spewed out by the Wilson camp without question. "Oh, Brian says he wants to tour, so obviously we have to believe what he says".
Right. Brian has a history of saying what he thinks the people around him expect him to say. If I believed everything Brian has ever said, then I would have to believe he should never have been separated from Landy, because Brian himself said he didn't want their partnership terminated.
So I keep looking at those concert clips on youtube, and I just see a guy in pain, looking miserable. I think he is doing the best he can, but I feel sad for the guy, ESPECIALLY after all he has given us.
Maybe i'll get banned here now. That's fine.

Your accusations don't just belittle Brian, they belittle every person associated with him. And I contend you belittle Brian because you're assuming he is a helpless soul currently incapable of thinking for himself.

Melinda is forcing Brian to tour for a major cash flow? Even though this scenario completely disregards those who allude to the idea that the tour possibly isn't a major money maker for Brian (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,26749.msg655208.html#msg655208). It also ignores sources close to Brian that say Brian wants to tour and add more dates (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,26749.msg655263.html#msg655263). But let's seriously ignore the facts for a minute: Melinda is married to a guy who has a market value of $75,000,000. This probably doesn't even count any possible business ventures and investments that Melinda herself oversees on her end. So she is totally cool with the optics of forcing Brian against his will to play concerts night after night for a tour that they're probably not making a major killing from? I mean, again, when you think about the expenses this tour is probably wracking up (the marketing, security, transportation, food, hotel bookings for the entire band, paying helpers, roadies, paying Al and Blondie, paying each band member their share, and who knows what other expenses associated with such a tour) at the end of the day is it really worth it to Melinda to destroy her reputation for some minuscule amount of money (comparatively to probably what's in the bank account already)?

Or there's the other scenario which you like to spew out ad nauseam: That Brian's own band is forcing him to tour for their own personal gain. This would mean that Melinda sees how supposedly miserable Brian is on-stage and is completely ignoring his mental state. This would also mean that every friend of Brian's, family member who goes to see Brian's concerts on occasion are all completely blind to Brian being utterly miserable with his life. Also, by accusing Brian's own band of this maniacal behavior of looking past Brian's supposed misery for their own selfish gain, you are taking a pretty lousy crack at Al Jardine himself - as he closely works with Brian daily and knows his struggles and limitations (and even talked about this very thing in a recent interview).

Yes, Brian doesn't look 100% engaged at some recent concerts - but yet other concerts he looks completely into it (not too long ago when they added Friends and other tracks people were absolutely raving about the shows). The concerts I have seen in recent years, Brian was engaging the crowd with humor, would flash a smile here and there, and he was completely participating - that doesn't sound like a man being forced against his will. Also, when you consider his back surgeries (and the complications with those back surgeries) and the meds he takes for pain management (plus whatever he takes to keep his schizoaffective disorder and manic depression at bay), yeah he logically would seem a bit disengaged. But perhaps he would rather be feeling somewhat disengaged while on tour than feeling disengaged sitting alone at home. Like the post Billy wrote above about functioning adults learning to overcome their fears and roadblocks. Perhaps touring is a way for Brian to cope.

You say that "Brian has a history of saying what he thinks the people around him expect him to say" (perhaps this is true) but yet Brian doesn't really have a history of doing what others expect him to do: case in point: Brian completely shutting down for the Jeff Beck sessions. These days (when Brian isn't being pumped full of pharmaceuticals to the point of having a stroke) if Brian legitimately doesn't want to do something he doesn't do it. If he doesn't want to record an album with Jeff Beck, he doesn't do it. If he doesn't want to re-record the lead for a song, they use the demo vocal. Your point of view assumes that Brian has this on-off switch that only other people can control, that he is somehow a Manchurian candidate of sorts. Seriously, if he could be controlled the Jeff Beck sessions wouldn't have been the disaster they became.

I have written similar posts before and you don't respond to them. And I wish you would because perhaps I am COMPLETELY missing something. But you never do which makes me think you have absolutely no argument. The whole point of this discourse is to get to the truth of the matter. I legitimately couldn't give a sh*t about team Brian or team Mike. Kokomaoist or Brianista. I completely admit that I have tunnel vision about certain things regarding this fandom...and I have had my mind changed about certain subjects solely because someone was adult enough to challenge my (and others) points of view.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: mtaber on November 08, 2019, 06:16:01 AM
I don't post often, but decided to throw in my opinion.

None of us "know" the reasons that Brian does or doesn't do things.  Or why ANYONE does or doesn't do things.  How many times do people around us do things that make absolutely zero sense to us?  "Why the hell is he going out with HER?"  "Why doesn't she just quit her job if she hates it so much?"  "Why did they buy that terrible house?"  "Why does he spend so much time on a freaking Beach Boys message board?"  It's hard enough to figure out ourselves, without trying to figure out what other people are doing and why they do it.

I'm nearly 67 now.  I'm sort of "retired", but not "working" makes me feel unproductive and somewhat useless.  My kids are grown up and don't "need" me like they did 15 years ago.  Having a job that I don't particularly like has it's pro's and con's.  I'm being productive and earning money, rather than just sitting on my ass and watching "Lord of the Rings" for the 27th time. 

People that are close to Brian probably have a much better guess as to why Brian tours than do people on a message board.  After the experience of Eugene Landy's involvement. my guess is that the people who are close to Brian are more "on guard" about anyone who may be trying to "force" Brian to do anything that he really doesn't want to do.  My opinion is that another "Brian being forced to do things" wouldn't be able to happen ever again.

But, what the hell do I know...


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Kid Presentable on November 08, 2019, 07:01:29 AM
I'll say it again. The most likely correct answer is that he used to hate touring, it is obvious that he still hates touring, but nobody is forcing him to do it - he does it on his own because he has decided that it is best for him. Him saying that he likes touring now in his 70s holds little merit, because he really doesn't have any other answer to logically give the public.

The people saying that "he looks miserable up there most of the time" are correct. And so are the people saying that he is not being forced into anything.

"Hey Brian, do you like touring as a 77 year old?" "No, it's the absolute ***ts."
"Hey Brian, do you like your cousin Mike?" "No, he is a whiny scumbag piece of trash."
- 2 answers to really dumb questions that Brian would NEVER EVER give the public


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: UEF on November 08, 2019, 08:56:08 AM
I'm not sure Brian's ever been the sort of guy to act entirely autonomously, "the master of his own destiny", that sort of thing. Just the way people are.

Climbing into the bus every day when you're a multi millionaire probably loses its shine after a while.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 08, 2019, 09:35:04 AM
It’s not the 70s anymore though , although at least you’ve explained a bit why you belittle Brian at every possible opportunity.  Time to let some of that aggression go.
I would never belittle Brian Wilson. That is the point. The man has given us everything and more; the music just flowed out of him for many years, he was tuned in to the channel. IMO, that alone should have earned him the right to do whatever he wants to do; he's a human being, not a machine to be turned on and off at will.
I look at the videos from recent concerts and he looks absolutely miserable, as if he would rather be anyplace but up on that stage. I recognize it is considered blasphemous to say that here, the home of those who believe everything spewed out by the Wilson camp without question. "Oh, Brian says he wants to tour, so obviously we have to believe what he says".
Right. Brian has a history of saying what he thinks the people around him expect him to say. If I believed everything Brian has ever said, then I would have to believe he should never have been separated from Landy, because Brian himself said he didn't want their partnership terminated.
So I keep looking at those concert clips on youtube, and I just see a guy in pain, looking miserable. I think he is doing the best he can, but I feel sad for the guy, ESPECIALLY after all he has given us.
Maybe i'll get banned here now. That's fine.


Thank you for at least responding back. Thing is, sadly, Brian’s going to look and feel that way regardless if he’s at home or on stage. He’s  the one pushing himself. Personally I’d rather him retire from the stage and stay in the studio....but that’s not my decision nor any one else’s but Brian’s .

Otherwise, rab, kid,  and the others made the point better than I can already



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 08, 2019, 07:38:35 PM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on November 08, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o
Pathetic reply.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 08, 2019, 08:43:24 PM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o
Pathetic reply.


Agreed.

Drinking Kool-Aid, my ass. Hell, I (along with others in this thread) have said we’d rather Brian retire from touring. Lonely Summer I’d strongly would like to know if you’re an asshole or just being willfully ignorant. I’m done sugarcoating this.

Before you go running with your tail between your legs crying about how we’re running away anybody criticizing Brian’s performances let it be known that is completely crap. I have a serious issue with you acting like Brian is incapable of doing anything for himself. Not once... not ONCE have you answered why those around Brian would be doing this to him. And it’s not $$$ either; if you think so , then son I have to school you on how tours work in 2019, and what goes into getting them insured.

I’m drinking Kool-Aid. Whatever. Sounds like you’ve been drinking beverages of a different sort, if you’re  going to come at me like that.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Heywood on November 09, 2019, 12:29:28 AM
Well said.
That's  why the the whole being forced to tour bs is just that. It doesn't make ANY sense.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 09, 2019, 05:38:41 AM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o

I decided to check out his most recent videos thanks to your post, and I was not disappointed. I'll even link some for others to check out:

From September, here is Brian doing a really sweet cover of 'God Only Knows': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI)
Here is a montage of a September concert where he is completely in control and into the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU)
Last month, toward the end of this video Brian sings an amazing lead on 'Love and Mercy': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo)
Brian is hitting all the notes in this September cover of Heroes and Villains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8)

I fully admit that in the past Brian has looked miserable at times on stage. But these most recent concerts (after his postponement due to mental health wellness) he is looking and sounding really good. Honestly, after seeing these videos I looked up tour dates for 2020 and see that Brian will be really close to my area for one of the dates, if I'm free I'm gonna go to that concert. So thanks again Lonely Summer! Enjoy your drink!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on November 09, 2019, 08:31:08 AM

Hey Rab, you are the man! Thanks for posting those great vids!! Our guy sounds terrific, huh? This has got to be one of the best shows on the road for sure. The whole group is so damn tight and Brian sounds as good as he did in 2015! How about Matt with those incredible high notes?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 09, 2019, 11:38:54 AM
Matt sounds amazing, I mean the whole band is so on point!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: twentytwenty on November 09, 2019, 12:20:50 PM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o

I decided to check out his most recent videos thanks to your post, and I was not disappointed. I'll even link some for others to check out:

From September, here is Brian doing a really sweet cover of 'God Only Knows': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI)
Here is a montage of a September concert where he is completely in control and into the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU)
Last month, toward the end of this video Brian sings an amazing lead on 'Love and Mercy': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo)
Brian is hitting all the notes in this September cover of Heroes and Villains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8)

I fully admit that in the past Brian has looked miserable at times on stage. But these most recent concerts (after his postponement due to mental health wellness) he is looking and sounding really good. Honestly, after seeing these videos I looked up tour dates for 2020 and see that Brian will be really close to my area for one of the dates, if I'm free I'm gonna go to that concert. So thanks again Lonely Summer! Enjoy your drink!

I agree that he was hitting the notes on Heroes and Villains, but then he forgot to sing the rest of the song and just sat there looking tired and worn out.
He really should retire :/


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 09, 2019, 01:25:33 PM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o

I decided to check out his most recent videos thanks to your post, and I was not disappointed. I'll even link some for others to check out:

From September, here is Brian doing a really sweet cover of 'God Only Knows': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI)
Here is a montage of a September concert where he is completely in control and into the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU)
Last month, toward the end of this video Brian sings an amazing lead on 'Love and Mercy': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo)
Brian is hitting all the notes in this September cover of Heroes and Villains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8)

I fully admit that in the past Brian has looked miserable at times on stage. But these most recent concerts (after his postponement due to mental health wellness) he is looking and sounding really good. Honestly, after seeing these videos I looked up tour dates for 2020 and see that Brian will be really close to my area for one of the dates, if I'm free I'm gonna go to that concert. So thanks again Lonely Summer! Enjoy your drink!

I agree that he was hitting the notes on Heroes and Villains, but then he forgot to sing the rest of the song and just sat there looking tired and worn out.
He really should retire :/

What on earth are you talking about? He sings the "Children Were Raised" section and "Sunny Down Snuff" line which basically finish the song.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: mtaber on November 09, 2019, 04:03:58 PM
Some people just dig in their heels and refuse to be budged.  Wasting your time trying to convince people like that that there's even the possibility of their being incorrect.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 09, 2019, 07:52:34 PM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o

I decided to check out his most recent videos thanks to your post, and I was not disappointed. I'll even link some for others to check out:

From September, here is Brian doing a really sweet cover of 'God Only Knows': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI)
Here is a montage of a September concert where he is completely in control and into the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU)
Last month, toward the end of this video Brian sings an amazing lead on 'Love and Mercy': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo)
Brian is hitting all the notes in this September cover of Heroes and Villains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8)

I fully admit that in the past Brian has looked miserable at times on stage. But these most recent concerts (after his postponement due to mental health wellness) he is looking and sounding really good. Honestly, after seeing these videos I looked up tour dates for 2020 and see that Brian will be really close to my area for one of the dates, if I'm free I'm gonna go to that concert. So thanks again Lonely Summer! Enjoy your drink!

I agree that he was hitting the notes on Heroes and Villains, but then he forgot to sing the rest of the song and just sat there looking tired and worn out.
He really should retire :/
Watch out! You can't say that around here!
I absolutely love Little Richard, but I saw footage from his last concert, Vegas, 2012 or 13...and I felt bad for the guy. His band was cookin', and he gave it his all, but he just couldn't do it anymore. Couldn't sing with the fire he used to have, couldn't move at all - confined to a wheelchair.  So I was kind of relieved when he retired after that. So I guess that means I don' love Little Richard anymore.
Even Chuck Berry sounded pretty bad at the end.
There will come a day when all of us can't do things we used to do. It's not fun, it's just reality.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Jay on November 09, 2019, 11:51:35 PM
Brian sounds quite good on that version of H&V, but his phrasing is really off a times.

Edit: Did anybody catch the odd Rhapsody In Blue reference at the very end of FFF?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Rocker on November 10, 2019, 02:41:23 AM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o

I decided to check out his most recent videos thanks to your post, and I was not disappointed. I'll even link some for others to check out:

From September, here is Brian doing a really sweet cover of 'God Only Knows': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI)
Here is a montage of a September concert where he is completely in control and into the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU)
Last month, toward the end of this video Brian sings an amazing lead on 'Love and Mercy': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo)
Brian is hitting all the notes in this September cover of Heroes and Villains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8)

I fully admit that in the past Brian has looked miserable at times on stage. But these most recent concerts (after his postponement due to mental health wellness) he is looking and sounding really good. Honestly, after seeing these videos I looked up tour dates for 2020 and see that Brian will be really close to my area for one of the dates, if I'm free I'm gonna go to that concert. So thanks again Lonely Summer! Enjoy your drink!

I agree that he was hitting the notes on Heroes and Villains, but then he forgot to sing the rest of the song and just sat there looking tired and worn out.
He really should retire :/
Watch out! You can't say that around here!
I absolutely love Little Richard, but I saw footage from his last concert, Vegas, 2012 or 13...and I felt bad for the guy. His band was cookin', and he gave it his all, but he just couldn't do it anymore. Couldn't sing with the fire he used to have, couldn't move at all - confined to a wheelchair.  So I was kind of relieved when he retired after that. So I guess that means I don' love Little Richard anymore.
Even Chuck Berry sounded pretty bad at the end.




Well, that was a long end for Chuck. He sounded bad for quite some time.
Interesting thing about Richard: I agree abut his last concerts but he then showed up on a discussion about his faith a couple of years ago, bald and without make up, and he was full of energy. It's probably the whole stress from touring and doing concerts that are too much. Certainly no shame when you're his age and been through the stuff he has been through. But I was relieved that he seemed so alive.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 10, 2019, 06:16:14 AM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o

I decided to check out his most recent videos thanks to your post, and I was not disappointed. I'll even link some for others to check out:

From September, here is Brian doing a really sweet cover of 'God Only Knows': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI)
Here is a montage of a September concert where he is completely in control and into the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU)
Last month, toward the end of this video Brian sings an amazing lead on 'Love and Mercy': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo)
Brian is hitting all the notes in this September cover of Heroes and Villains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8)

I fully admit that in the past Brian has looked miserable at times on stage. But these most recent concerts (after his postponement due to mental health wellness) he is looking and sounding really good. Honestly, after seeing these videos I looked up tour dates for 2020 and see that Brian will be really close to my area for one of the dates, if I'm free I'm gonna go to that concert. So thanks again Lonely Summer! Enjoy your drink!

I agree that he was hitting the notes on Heroes and Villains, but then he forgot to sing the rest of the song and just sat there looking tired and worn out.
He really should retire :/
Watch out! You can't say that around here!

Ya know what’s funny? People bitching about Brian being supposedly controlled but then wishing their own control over Brian (ie if they were in charge they’d recommend Brian to retire right now). This isn’t a dig at TwentyTwenty but people like Lonely Summer who are constantly going on about Brian having zero free will but yet also wishing Brian would retire. But Brian is in control and obviously wants to be touring (again, like the Jeff Beck sessions where he shut down, if he didn’t want to do it he wouldn’t even get on the tour bus). So you want Brian to be in control of his life but you also don’t want him to decide to keep touring? Gotcha.

I’ve said it many many times before: I want Brian to get back in the studio to record an album (instead of being on the road constantly). But that is obviously not what Brian wants to do right now, or else he’d be doing it. Brian should do what Brian wants to do, he’s nearly 80 and has lived one of the most amazingly crazy lives ever...he’s got every right to wake up and decide to perform a concert - he also has every right to quit touring.

You’re right, Brian should have absolute control over his life...so instead of wishing him into retirement perhaps just wish that Brian should do whatever he wants to do. And based on very simple logic and facts, it’s my belief that Brian is doing exactly what he wants to be doing right now.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on November 10, 2019, 07:54:50 AM
Brian sounds quite good on that version of H&V, but his phrasing is really off a times.

Edit: Did anybody catch the odd Rhapsody In Blue reference at the very end of FFF?

Yes, I think Darian does it all the time now.  Sometimes you can hear it well and other times it gets kinda drowned out. I absolutely love it.  Not only does it sound great musically but it just works so well thematically too - a tribute to one of Brian's heroes worked into one of Brian's most famous compositions. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Debbie KL on November 10, 2019, 10:47:05 AM
I guess I should go back and watch some of the recent concert clips on youtube.
But first I need to drink some Kool-Aid.  :o

I decided to check out his most recent videos thanks to your post, and I was not disappointed. I'll even link some for others to check out:

From September, here is Brian doing a really sweet cover of 'God Only Knows': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wx8EMcIYI)
Here is a montage of a September concert where he is completely in control and into the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzXpmk-VU)
Last month, toward the end of this video Brian sings an amazing lead on 'Love and Mercy': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDtd9Z2Y8Wo)
Brian is hitting all the notes in this September cover of Heroes and Villains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNexCUgqjc8)

I fully admit that in the past Brian has looked miserable at times on stage. But these most recent concerts (after his postponement due to mental health wellness) he is looking and sounding really good. Honestly, after seeing these videos I looked up tour dates for 2020 and see that Brian will be really close to my area for one of the dates, if I'm free I'm gonna go to that concert. So thanks again Lonely Summer! Enjoy your drink!

I agree that he was hitting the notes on Heroes and Villains, but then he forgot to sing the rest of the song and just sat there looking tired and worn out.
He really should retire :/
Watch out! You can't say that around here!

Ya know what’s funny? People bitching about Brian being supposedly controlled but then wishing their own control over Brian (ie if they were in charge they’d recommend Brian to retire right now). This isn’t a dig at TwentyTwenty but people like Lonely Summer who are constantly going on about Brian having zero free will but yet also wishing Brian would retire. But Brian is in control and obviously wants to be touring (again, like the Jeff Beck sessions where he shut down, if he didn’t want to do it he wouldn’t even get on the tour bus). So you want Brian to be in control of his life but you also don’t want him to decide to keep touring? Gotcha.

I’ve said it many many times before: I want Brian to get back in the studio to record an album (instead of being on the road constantly). But that is obviously not what Brian wants to do right now, or else he’d be doing it. Brian should do what Brian wants to do, he’s nearly 80 and has lived one of the most amazingly crazy lives ever...he’s got every right to wake up and decide to perform a concert - he also has every right to quit touring.

You’re right, Brian should have absolute control over his life...so instead of wishing him into retirement perhaps just wish that Brian should do whatever he wants to do. And based on very simple logic and facts, it’s my belief that Brian is doing exactly what he wants to be doing right now.

I just had a moment to get back and read this thread. Thanks OSD for the kind comments. It's strange to see people thinking Brian can be forced to do things at this point in his life. Under Landy's meds (prescribed by a doctor buddy of his who never saw Brian, while Landy wasn't authorized to prescribe), Brian wasn't autonomous. It's been a long time since then, with those around Brian being the ones who got him away from Landy. Yet this seems to be lost on people.

As a side note, when did David Leaf ever put words in Mike Love's mouth? He quoted others describing what Mike said or did who were present at the time, and described those comments and scenarios as such. I think that's called journalism. David knows what's ethical and legal and what isn't at least as much as anyone here. He's been sued by Mike and won. There aren't many who can say that. 

In the end, if you really, really want a vote in whether Brian performs or not, you have it. People buy tickets to shows, or they don't.

If you want Brian in the studio, I understand that. But if there's one thing I've learned, wanting Brian to do something doesn't make it happen. Oh, how I know that...When I was too exhausted to go on, friends stepped up to support Brian when I asked. They continue to do it to this day. Everyone, including Brian's band - well, maybe best reflected by his band - has learned to adapt to that. He could decide he wants to sing something or not. He could decide to record tomorrow, or not. I believe the common quote is, "Brian's going to do whatever he does." We just adapt. So far, it's been worth it.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 10, 2019, 05:15:37 PM
Fantastic post, Debbie. One thing I'd like to add to those thoughts about his band, is that I've been able to spend a small amount of time with some of the band before and after some shows: the amount of absolute joy these guys have for the music and their willingness to happily talk with fans about this or that is awesome. I know many others here can attest to their gracious, kind-hearted natures. Anywho, that some people think these guys are merely using Brian for a paycheck is a pretty awful accusation.

As for Brian doing another album: I would love for him to do it, but I also want him to do whatever he want to do...and frankly I'm very happy he's still touring because it gives me another chance to go see him in person next year.

By the way, with complete sincerity, thanks so much again Lonely Summer. I wouldn't have checked on his tickets had you not talked about viewing Brian's recent concert videos (which I was thoroughly impressed with) - I'll be going to see him in a couple months and I'm so excited for it!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RJM on November 10, 2019, 06:45:50 PM
Brian sounds quite good on that version of H&V, but his phrasing is really off a times.

Edit: Did anybody catch the odd Rhapsody In Blue reference at the very end of FFF?

Yeah, Darian has always thrown that in since Brian started touring 20 years ago.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: roffels on November 10, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
"Hey Brian, do you like your cousin Mike?" "No, he is a whiny scumbag piece of trash."
- 2 answers to really dumb questions that Brian would NEVER EVER give the public
I mean, he sort of did here. Maybe the greater context of the original video would change the meaning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA61dD0dTYg


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on November 11, 2019, 07:19:31 AM
"Hey Brian, do you like your cousin Mike?" "No, he is a whiny scumbag piece of trash."
- 2 answers to really dumb questions that Brian would NEVER EVER give the public
I mean, he sort of did here. Maybe the greater context of the original video would change the meaning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA61dD0dTYg

One of the greatest videos that YouTube has to offer. The comments are so good as well. What Brian said!! Questions??  :bw


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Margarita on November 11, 2019, 01:38:32 PM
Look at it this way...what do you think Brian would rather have?
  - day after day of sitting in his chair watching Wheel of Fortune
or
 - being on stage with an amazing band, doing loving renditions of his songs, when people leap to their feet applauding, cheering, yelling "I love you, Brian!"

The shy smile I saw after GOK at the Milwaukee show gives me the clear answer. 

I've said it before here and I'll say it again - people are thinking about 'retirement' in the way that one would retire from a 9-to-5 time-clock-punching job.  Why do people retire?  To get away from the daily grind and do more leisurely things.  That has never been Brian's life.  It's not like he's going to take up golf or build furniture in his basement to travel the country in an RV (though he kinda is doing this now in his tour bus!)  I doubt he's ever lacked the time for non-music pursuits.  Brian himself said (can't remember if it's in his book or in an interview) that he tours so that he doesn't sit at home on his ass. 

So let him be.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: juggler on November 11, 2019, 02:09:50 PM
Look at it this way...what do you think Brian would rather have?
  - day after day of sitting in his chair watching Wheel of Fortune
or
 - being on stage with an amazing band, doing loving renditions of his songs, when people leap to their feet applauding, cheering, yelling "I love you, Brian!"

The shy smile I saw after GOK at the Milwaukee show gives me the clear answer. 

I've said it before here and I'll say it again - people are thinking about 'retirement' in the way that one would retire from a 9-to-5 time-clock-punching job.  Why do people retire?  To get away from the daily grind and do more leisurely things.  That has never been Brian's life.  It's not like he's going to take up golf or build furniture in his basement to travel the country in an RV (though he kinda is doing this now in his tour bus!)  I doubt he's ever lacked the time for non-music pursuits.  Brian himself said (can't remember if it's in his book or in an interview) that he tours so that he doesn't sit at home on his ass. 

So let him be.

From what I've heard, he likes Wheel of Fortune AND Jeopardy.  So, don't sell that short.  :lol

Seriously, though, I think you're right.  And having witnessed BW at one of shows a couple months ago as well as at David Leaf's UCLA event, it's clear to me that there's a huge amount of  love and camaraderie between Brian and his long-time band members.  He's "one of the guys" with his group.  And Al Jardine?  They've been friends for more than 60 years.  Let's not underestimate how much of a social thing touring is for him.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on November 11, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
Look at it this way...what do you think Brian would rather have?
  - day after day of sitting in his chair watching Wheel of Fortune
or
 - being on stage with an amazing band, doing loving renditions of his songs, when people leap to their feet applauding, cheering, yelling "I love you, Brian!"

The shy smile I saw after GOK at the Milwaukee show gives me the clear answer. 

I've said it before here and I'll say it again - people are thinking about 'retirement' in the way that one would retire from a 9-to-5 time-clock-punching job.  Why do people retire?  To get away from the daily grind and do more leisurely things.  That has never been Brian's life.  It's not like he's going to take up golf or build furniture in his basement to travel the country in an RV (though he kinda is doing this now in his tour bus!)  I doubt he's ever lacked the time for non-music pursuits.  Brian himself said (can't remember if it's in his book or in an interview) that he tours so that he doesn't sit at home on his ass. 

So let him be.

Both you and Juggler hit the nail on the head. I just started reading Brian's book (about a quarter of the way through now) but he has a great line regarding touring:

"The truth is that I will never really be comfortable up there, but I know how to tough it out and get through it. And whether I'm comfortable or not, it's a place where I can be what I am."

In I Am Brian Wilson he details his fears about performing in front of people - he talks about how scary it is to hear the voices when he's up on stage (and how this distracts him a lot from performing). But he also talks about how the Wondermints have become family to him - the jokes they share on the road, the feeling of control he feels (that he lost with the Beach Boys back in 60s) - from what I gather from the book, he feels like a leader again. The book gives a great perspective on why he dislikes performing but also why he likes it. As with anything in life, it's not black and white.

In the wake of the ever-quieting vocal minority who thinks Melinda and the band are deviously raking in the cash with this 'Weekend at Bernie's' type scheme, it's nice to see an outpouring of support and logical posts regarding the matter. As for me, today I got my tickets for a BW show in January - if the September and October shows are any indication I think it's going to be one hell of a great concert!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 27, 2019, 09:48:53 AM
Updated the schedule near the top of the thread with new info, including the specific dates (two shows) for that cruise Brian's doing in February.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: UEF on December 27, 2019, 01:15:37 PM
June 19: Beach Boys play Norway

June 19/20: Brian Wilson band plays Spain.

 

Dare to dream...? Both bands in Europe at the same time


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 27, 2019, 01:36:48 PM
June 19: Beach Boys play Norway

June 19/20: Brian Wilson band plays Spain.

 

Dare to dream...? Both bands in Europe at the same time

The bands have crossed paths geographically before while on tour (and much closer than Norway vs. Spain); I think some of Mike's band (but not Mike) turned up backstage at a Brian show in the past year or so.

But even when they're in the same town, they don't guest with each other on stage. Other than the "anything is possible" scenario, I wouldn't count on it. And really, PR wise, it would be better to save even a one-night reunion for something bigger than rando shows in Norway and Spain.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: BeachBoysCovers on December 28, 2019, 04:06:09 PM
June 19: Beach Boys play Norway

June 19/20: Brian Wilson band plays Spain.

 

Dare to dream...? Both bands in Europe at the same time

The bands have crossed paths geographically before while on tour (and much closer than Norway vs. Spain); I think some of Mike's band (but not Mike) turned up backstage at a Brian show in the past year or so.

But even when they're in the same town, they don't guest with each other on stage. Other than the "anything is possible" scenario, I wouldn't count on it. And really, PR wise, it would be better to save even a one-night reunion for something bigger than rando shows in Norway and Spain.

Bruce, Scott and Tim were backstage for Brian's show at the Beacon in New York, 26th September 2019. (Mike's band had played the George H.W. Bush Points of Lights Award Gala at the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum earlier that night)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on December 30, 2019, 11:49:06 AM
June 19: Beach Boys play Norway

June 19/20: Brian Wilson band plays Spain.

 

Dare to dream...? Both bands in Europe at the same time

The bands have crossed paths geographically before while on tour (and much closer than Norway vs. Spain); I think some of Mike's band (but not Mike) turned up backstage at a Brian show in the past year or so.

But even when they're in the same town, they don't guest with each other on stage. Other than the "anything is possible" scenario, I wouldn't count on it. And really, PR wise, it would be better to save even a one-night reunion for something bigger than rando shows in Norway and Spain.

Bruce, Scott and Tim were backstage for Brian's show at the Beacon in New York, 26th September 2019. (Mike's band had played the George H.W. Bush Points of Lights Award Gala at the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum earlier that night)

And even that was a very rare instance (in terms of stories we've heard) of anybody from Mike's organization visiting a Brian show. I'm sure there are scattered other cases.

But no "core" Beach Boy has appeared in a one-shot guest spot at the other "faction's" shows, outside of a couple Mike/Bruce gigs Al appeared at (2011 Reagan thing, the Ella show in 2014.) Dave has played with all factions, but he's a unique case of course. Beyond that, you have to get into things like Al's 06/07 gigs with Brian, which was more a case of joining Brian's band and then leaving again.

Matt Jardine actually sang some leads on stage with Mike's band in 2013 at one gig, prior to joining Brian's band.

It's true, a few guys from Mike's band even visiting with Brian during a Brian gig while in town is something that, say, 15-20 years ago, probably wouldn't have happened.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: BeachBoysCovers on January 06, 2020, 04:36:03 PM
Turns out Bruce's "Christmas Message" over at Beach Boys Britain was all about his trip to Brian

Quote
From Bruce Johnston
Posted on December 20, 2019 at 23:09:24 by Bruce Johnston

Yet another busy year.
RAH in June was really wonderful (but too much ‘hot California summer weather’ in London!).

I was happy to catch part of Brian’s set at the Beacon in NYC recently.
We finished a private BB concert in NYC (the same night of Brian’s concert) and some of us raced over to watch Brian & band perform.
The audience really enjoyed seeing BW & band live and everything looked & sounded great.
The New York Beacon audience certainly has 150% support for Brian, his rockin’ band and all that amazing music from California.
I loved the two lines of band with Brian centerstage.
My viewpoint was side stage and I had a great night of music.

Bruce Johnston
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!!!



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 07, 2020, 02:16:00 PM
I received an email this afternoon "announcing" that Brian Wilson tickets were now on sale for the concert at the MGM National Harbor Casino. I see the prices have been lowered since they first went on sale months ago and only about 25% of the tickets have actually been sold to a show that's two weeks away. I was concerned about the size of this venue when it was announced. If they wanted to do a Greatest Hits show somewhere in the area, why not go back to the theatre district of DC...between the Lincoln, Hamilton, and Warner...they could've played to a packed house somewhere there.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on January 08, 2020, 08:59:35 AM
I received an email this afternoon "announcing" that Brian Wilson tickets were now on sale for the concert at the MGM National Harbor Casino. I see the prices have been lowered since they first went on sale months ago and only about 25% of the tickets have actually been sold to a show that's two weeks away. I was concerned about the size of this venue when it was announced. If they wanted to do a Greatest Hits show somewhere in the area, why not go back to the theatre district of DC...between the Lincoln, Hamilton, and Warner...they could've played to a packed house somewhere there.

I bought tickets to this when they went on sale, so am kind of annoyed that the prices have been dropped.  It is shocking to see how few tickets have been sold, though I'm told that it's a nightmare to get to this venue (I've never been before) so maybe that has something to do with it.  I agree that it would have been far preferable to do a show at a smaller theater. 

What usually happens in cases where tickets aren't selling well?  Does the show go on, or do they cancel and rebook for a later date at another venue? 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 08, 2020, 09:35:24 AM
I received an email this afternoon "announcing" that Brian Wilson tickets were now on sale for the concert at the MGM National Harbor Casino. I see the prices have been lowered since they first went on sale months ago and only about 25% of the tickets have actually been sold to a show that's two weeks away. I was concerned about the size of this venue when it was announced. If they wanted to do a Greatest Hits show somewhere in the area, why not go back to the theatre district of DC...between the Lincoln, Hamilton, and Warner...they could've played to a packed house somewhere there.

I bought tickets to this when they went on sale, so am kind of annoyed that the prices have been dropped.  It is shocking to see how few tickets have been sold, though I'm told that it's a nightmare to get to this venue (I've never been before) so maybe that has something to do with it.  I agree that it would have been far preferable to do a show at a smaller theater. 

What usually happens in cases where tickets aren't selling well?  Does the show go on, or do they cancel and rebook for a later date at another venue? 

Sometimes when tickets aren't selling they cancel, or they rebook into a smaller venue. Considering this show is only two weeks away, I'd lean towards the show going on as planned.

I would try contacting the venue to see if they can help give you a refund on the price difference on your tickets now that prices have been lowered. They *might* be willing to do something.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 15, 2020, 09:32:02 AM
Nothing substantive in this brief interview, but a local news outlet did snag Brian briefly for a new interview to promote upcoming gigs:

https://www.miamiherald.com/miami-com/miami-com-news/article239092763.html


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on January 15, 2020, 12:19:53 PM
The author of the above article seems to be unaware that Brian did a tour with the Zombies last fall.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on January 16, 2020, 12:01:04 AM
Nothing substantive in this brief interview, but a local news outlet did snag Brian briefly for a new interview to promote upcoming gigs:

https://www.miamiherald.com/miami-com/miami-com-news/article239092763.html
"no current plans to record"  :(
That's what I expected.
I wonder what Mike's cd for 2020 is going to be?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: UEF on January 16, 2020, 04:19:01 AM

I wonder what Mike's cd for 2020 is going to be?

"Something something something Love"


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 16, 2020, 08:07:31 AM
Nothing substantive in this brief interview, but a local news outlet did snag Brian briefly for a new interview to promote upcoming gigs:

https://www.miamiherald.com/miami-com/miami-com-news/article239092763.html
"no current plans to record"  :(
That's what I expected.

I think what makes this more heartbreaking is the quote "There’s always music in his head. But changes in the music industry mean there is no pressing need to make albums anymore. The market just isn’t there."

I am sure the source of these musings were from Brian himself, but I would love to know what the original quote was that inspired them. If Brian isn't making albums because there is no market anymore, that is incredibly sad. If my history is correct, Vivaldi didn't make much money from his compositions and died a poor man (this happened to many artists who are now revered). But these artists kept making art because it was their passion - they weren't basing their desire to create art on whether or not the market was working in their favor.

I'm betting there are many reasons for Brian not recording, but I think it's sad that apparently market value of his music is one of the deciding factors.

The full quote makes me a little more hopeful, but not much: "Wilson says he has no current plans to record but doesn’t rule out the possibility." But I think he says that every year, and thus far, since NPP we have only gotten 'Run James Run' (which was mostly recorded during NPP anyways).
________

I'll be going to see Brian next week and I couldn't be more excited for it. As usual I can't wait for the encore which is always a blast, and if the videos from late last year are any indicator, Brian should be in good form...especially after the long break he's had.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 16, 2020, 08:21:28 AM
While Brian has always had music “in” him, and that has manifested itself in creating in various forms, I think Brian and most of the guys in the band over the years individually and collectively have rarely approached *recording and releasing* albums as a venture done simply for the sake of it.

Years and years after having a “hit” was simply very, very unlikely, Brian still spoke in interviews about wanting a “hit”, rather than simply saying he wanted to create and release.

A certain amount of momentum in simply continuing the “album/tour/album/tour” cycle dictated that the Beach Boys continued this trend until “Keepin’ the Summer Alive” in 1980. From that point on, studio releases were done sporadically, usually with some sort of specific impetus (e.g. record company offers a bag of cash, or one member has a specific idea, or someone commissions for a specific piece, etc.).

I’d say perhaps some of the solo releases were done more in the mode of recording and releasing music for its own inherent sake, in cases such as Al’s live album and “Postcards” studio album, sort of some of Mike’s recent solo albums (though he was approached by a label to do those; I’m guessing he wouldn’t have self-released the stuff online only on CD Baby or something), and perhaps the early post-Imagination solo Brian stuff like “Live at the Roxy”, which was self-released. But even then, I think self-releasing Brian stuff was just a stop-gap to build up momentum/interest for a solo deal from an actual label, which came within a few years.

So I think Brian still views an “album” as a project the same way he did 20, 30, 40 years ago to some degree. It’s not something he just always does. It’s something a label asks for, or commissions, or happens when he’s more into that album/tour/album/tour cycle.

What would have been cool in more recent years is for Brian to have a sort of Rick Rubin-Johnny Cash sort of situation where someone could come in and just kind of spur Brian to create however he wants to, but then mold that into an actual release. I wish someone with clout would approach Brian and basically just have him grab a bag of songs, and sit at a piano and perform for a few days/weeks, and then edit that into album. Pure Brian. Brian isn’t going to do that all on his own; he doesn’t have that sort of mentality to want to do a Colin Hay “Man at Work” sort of true solo recording.

In the alternative (or in addition), there should be a boxed set of rare solo Brian stuff. Why they just put out 30-second rare audio clips sporadically on Instagram but don’t put out a boxed set, I don’t know. Every Beach Boys archival release should be followed up with some solo Brian rarities.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: PhilSpectre on January 16, 2020, 08:43:17 AM
Nothing substantive in this brief interview, but a local news outlet did snag Brian briefly for a new interview to promote upcoming gigs:

https://www.miamiherald.com/miami-com/miami-com-news/article239092763.html
"no current plans to record"  :(
That's what I expected.

I'm betting there are many reasons for Brian not recording, but I think it's sad that apparently market value of his music is one of the deciding factors.


Agreed. I think, as far as brand new BW studio recordings are concerned, other than what's already in the can, he's done. Reasons are probably a combination of mental/ physical issues, just damn age and, based on this quote alone, his apparent disillusionment with the modern record industry.

 :'(


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 16, 2020, 09:07:04 AM
What would have been cool in more recent years is for Brian to have a sort of Rick Rubin-Johnny Cash sort of situation where someone could come in and just kind of spur Brian to create however he wants to, but then mold that into an actual release. I wish someone with clout would approach Brian and basically just have him grab a bag of songs, and sit at a piano and perform for a few days/weeks, and then edit that into album. Pure Brian. Brian isn’t going to do that all on his own; he doesn’t have that sort of mentality to want to do a Colin Hay “Man at Work” sort of true solo recording.

In the alternative (or in addition), there should be a boxed set of rare solo Brian stuff. Why they just put out 30-second rare audio clips sporadically on Instagram but don’t put out a boxed set, I don’t know. Every Beach Boys archival release should be followed up with some solo Brian rarities.

Great post, HeyJude.

I have wished the same for so many years. And I have heard many rebuttals about how such an arrangement probably wouldn't work. But it doesn't keep me from wishing that such a project would happen. And I totally agree about the Instagram posts - those always got my hopes up that they were creating buzz for an official release, but we have seen that is definitely not the case.

Nothing substantive in this brief interview, but a local news outlet did snag Brian briefly for a new interview to promote upcoming gigs:

https://www.miamiherald.com/miami-com/miami-com-news/article239092763.html
"no current plans to record"  :(
That's what I expected.

I'm betting there are many reasons for Brian not recording, but I think it's sad that apparently market value of his music is one of the deciding factors.


Agreed. I think, as far as brand new BW studio recordings are concerned, other than what's already in the can, he's done. Reasons are probably a combination of mental/ physical issues, just damn age and, based on this quote alone, his apparent disillusionment with the modern record industry.

 :'(

I hate to agree. But I think you're right. If that is the case, the title "Last Song" on NPP was very fitting. It sucks because he talked about that rock-n-roll record for 2+ decades, and it just never happened. He is doing song(s?) for the 'Long Promised Road' documentary, so we will still hear some modern studio stuff from him soon.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: UEF on January 17, 2020, 04:39:23 AM
WTOP audio interview

https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/brian-wilson-interview.mp3?_=2

Warning: it’s an awkward listen. Amazingly the interviewer gets 15 minutes of material without Brian really getting involved


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: NateRuvin on January 17, 2020, 08:17:09 AM
Man, that sounded brutal for the interviewer. He was really, really trying...

However, I obviously feel for Bri. Sounds like he was suffering one of his "off" days.

Nonetheless, some funny BW moments. Why he likes California Girls? "Because it's about girls"



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: UEF on January 17, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
“How did Carl bring joy to the group?”

“He’d say ‘let’s go guys’”

“And what did Al Jardine bring to the group?”

“He sang”


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 17, 2020, 11:22:51 AM
I’ve said it before, leave the pre show interviews to Al. Listening to that interview I doubt anyone would have been persuaded to go out and buy a ticket.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Matt H on January 17, 2020, 12:41:11 PM
WTOP audio interview

https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/brian-wilson-interview.mp3?_=2

Warning: it’s an awkward listen. Amazingly the interviewer gets 15 minutes of material without Brian really getting involved

That is pretty brutal.

"And why is that your favorite song on Surf's Up"

"Because Jack Riley is a great singer"


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Margarita on January 18, 2020, 09:15:38 AM
I’ve said it before, leave the pre show interviews to Al. Listening to that interview I doubt anyone would have been persuaded to go out and buy a ticket.
Or else coach the interviewer on how to handle Brian and what to expect from him.  It is possible to get a great interview out of him, but it has to be done the right way. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: NateRuvin on January 18, 2020, 11:06:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbLvZhP0BOQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrHHL52utC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CiBJlBCCoE



All things considered, Brian sang very well at his first show of 2020. His introduction of River Deep was more than I got at his November Milwaukee show (not a word).

Nice setlist. Brian's voice sounded mellow. The band sounded stellar as always. Alan kicking ass needless to say.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: BeachBoysCovers on January 19, 2020, 03:50:32 AM
I’ve said it before, leave the pre show interviews to Al. Listening to that interview I doubt anyone would have been persuaded to go out and buy a ticket.
Or else coach the interviewer on how to handle Brian and what to expect from him.  It is possible to get a great interview out of him, but it has to be done the right way. 
"Don't ask any questions that require more than one word answers"?


My highlight was this exchange (based off memory, words may be slightly different)
"what does your wife mean to you"
"well she inspires me to write music"
"are you still writing to this day""
"no I haven't written for a couple of years"


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 19, 2020, 12:55:08 PM
Love and Mercy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Hxaf04XUc


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: juggler on January 19, 2020, 02:41:12 PM
I wonder if Brian and Al, plotting the formation of a group during their time at El Camino College, could have ever imagined that they'd still be playing together 60 (!) years later.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 19, 2020, 08:02:08 PM
I'd imagine most of Brian's thoughts in the 1960's about his future were spent thinking he probably wouldn't even make it to the 1970's, let alone his music.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 20, 2020, 10:04:21 AM
All tickets for the show are 50% off...just received an email from Ticketmaster. About half the seats are sold at this time...still spots right in the front row available, and on the other hand, you could get a seat for as low as eleven bucks for this show now.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on January 20, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
All tickets for the show are 50% off...just received an email from Ticketmaster. About half the seats are sold at this time...still spots right in the front row available, and on the other hand, you could get a seat for as low as eleven bucks for this show now.

Thanks for the heads-up!  I'd bought tickets the day they went on sale and had good seats, but was just able to call Ticketmaster and exchange them for first row. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on January 20, 2020, 12:32:33 PM
I wonder if Brian and Al, plotting the formation of a group during their time at El Camino College, could have ever imagined that they'd still be playing together 60 (!) years later.

I am very grateful that they are!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on January 20, 2020, 12:58:01 PM
...and on the other hand, you could get a seat for as low as eleven bucks for this show now.

Yikes...



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Shady on January 20, 2020, 05:27:25 PM
Over saturation


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 20, 2020, 06:05:56 PM
Over saturation

It's more than that (although it is true). The venue was too large, it's in the middle of the week...in the middle of the winter, and is vaguely billed as "Greatest Hits Live", and if we're being honest with ourselves, Brian's live show does not seem to have the best reputation in live music circles right now.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on January 20, 2020, 06:51:50 PM
Over saturation

It's more than that (although it is true). The venue was too large, it's in the middle of the week...in the middle of the winter, and is vaguely billed as "Greatest Hits Live", and if we're being honest with ourselves, Brian's live show does not seem to have the best reputation in live music circles right now.

Just to compare, I had a look at tickets remaining for Mike’s DC show in April.  Lots of tickets sold around the perimeter of the venue, but still loads of tickets in the front section, which are going for $125 each, if I recall correctly.  That’s just way too much. 

I really don’t understand why Brian is playing this venue though.  There are so many nice, prestigious theatres in DC that he could have easily filled, even on a weeknight. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RJM on January 20, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
Over saturation

It's more than that (although it is true). The venue was too large, it's in the middle of the week...in the middle of the winter, and is vaguely billed as "Greatest Hits Live", and if we're being honest with ourselves, Brian's live show does not seem to have the best reputation in live music circles right now.

What are you basing that on?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: baseball95 on January 21, 2020, 04:18:39 AM
All tickets for the show are 50% off...just received an email from Ticketmaster. About half the seats are sold at this time...still spots right in the front row available, and on the other hand, you could get a seat for as low as eleven bucks for this show now.

Is there a promo code or something to get 50% off? I only see them at the original discounted price.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on January 21, 2020, 11:25:47 AM
All tickets for the show are 50% off...just received an email from Ticketmaster. About half the seats are sold at this time...still spots right in the front row available, and on the other hand, you could get a seat for as low as eleven bucks for this show now.

Is there a promo code or something to get 50% off? I only see them at the original discounted price.

I did not receive the email RubberSoul referred to (I had bought tickets for this show when the originally went on sale) so I don't know if there is a code or not.  However, I called Ticketmaster yesterday to try to upgrade my tickets.  What they ended up doing was cancelling my original order so I could buy new tickets.  The cheapest seats available when I looked yesterday were $23 each, not $11, and the most expensive were just over $100 (aside from the verified resale tickets, which were still going for as high as $400 a pop). 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 21, 2020, 03:28:08 PM
It came to my Junk Mail with an offer code. When I deleted it, it is GONE (since it was in junk mail, I don't let TicketBastard into my inbox) ...I should have thought to share the code here, my apologies.

Eleven Dollars came from me dividing the cheapest seat ($23) in half ($11.50) and just being lazy about typing fifty cents.

I totally agree that Mike and Bruce's booking at the Anthem is just as overly optimistic. Both bands can sell out a 1,000 seat theatre in any major city on any give night with no problem. BUT, without the attraction of a co-headliner, special anniversary type show, or a REUNION, they simply will not be able to consistently fill rooms of the next tier up.

What am I basing the reputation of Brian's live shows on? Folks I talk to at shows, reviews I read, this very board...need I continue?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Wrightfan on January 21, 2020, 04:39:12 PM
Man, his voice just gets more tired and tired every year. He wasn't half bad on Love and Mercy from Miami but...he sounds like a nearly 80 year old man would sound  :-[


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 21, 2020, 04:41:03 PM
Probably because he is near 80 years old.

Just sayin'


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: lastofmykind on January 21, 2020, 05:42:12 PM
I think its time for Brian to give up the ghost on his live shows.  It pains me much to say that, but it seems to be abundantly clear that he is surrounding himself with more vocalist to take some of the burden off.  Between Al and Blondie and Matt taking some leads that he himself might not sound the best on or leads that he never sang lead on to begin with, sometimes its quite heart breaking to see him on stage.  With everything that he has been through and with is advance age sometimes it just seems unfair to see him out there.  With what can be seen on youtube it appears his shows seem to be declining in length and in quality, which will most likely effect ticket sales of future events.   I consider myself a hardcore fan of all things Beach Boys related but I would never pay the asking price for these greatest hits shows based off what I have seen. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 21, 2020, 06:49:09 PM
I just want Brian to do what Brian wants to do. If he likes being out there, he should be out there. If ticket sales go down and he's forced to sit his ass at home for the duration of his life (which some people really want), I guess that's what will happen. (and I say "sit his ass at home" because he's said recently he doesn't have any plans to record, so besides touring he's not left with too many options).

One thing I will say, Mike and Bruce sound like sh*t on their YouTube recordings as well - in fact, much of my cell phone recordings of live Brian don't sound good at all....yet when you're there in person you're experiencing something totally different than what your phone captures. You're listening to a recording from a microphone less than the size of a grain of rice picking up amplified audio from a plethora of speakers - it's gonna sound bad. And I totally concede that it would sound better if Brian weren't nearly 80 years old. But he is nearly 80 and thats what we're gonna hear when we go to his shows.

Again, I just want Brian to do what he wants to do - if he wants to watch re-runs of Jeopardy on Netflix for the rest of his life, he absolutely should. He owes us fans absolutely nothing. But I also think if any of us were in his family, and we were trying to force Brian to quit touring (and he didn't want to quit), that would be a shameful thing to do.

Many (probably all) of us have seen firsthand an elderly person in our families age into their 80s/90s. It is a sad thing to witness, and many questions are raised during this time. Should an 85 year old with jittery hands and bad reflexes drive a car? No, because it puts people's lives in danger. Keeping them from driving can make them depressed. It sucks but you're possibly saving lives doing this. However, you want an elderly person doing as much as they can to keep active - it keeps them from depression, it gives them exercise, anything mentally stimulating is good. Sitting in a chair all day without moving gives you blood clots, watching TV all day does nothing good for your brain activity, not doing what you love (be it wood cutting, mowing the lawn, or singing some songs to a crowd) can send you into a depression.

Anyways, my point being, if Brian wants to be up there, I think that's why he's up there. His family probably sees the benefits of it, Brian isn't harming anyone by getting up there singing shows. I guess if you think he's being forced to tour against his will, then yeah I can see why you'd want to force him to quit touring. But if you logically think about how members of his family (close and extended), circles of friends, doctors, etc all don't protest his touring, that alone tells me that he's up there doing what he wants to do and it's healthy for him to do (the bad back he has on stage is the same bad back he'd have to deal with at home).


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: juggler on January 21, 2020, 06:52:25 PM
Cue the "Brian should hang it up" debate again.    :deadhorse

Seriously, if the man wants to tour to give himself something to do and hang around with friends, let him.  If his act offends your sensibilities, stay home.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on January 21, 2020, 08:39:58 PM
If he does get tired of touring, though, he should consider hosting a radio show.  Playing vinyl - i'm sure Brian's never done a download.
"This is my favorite Beach Boys song, California Girls - cause it's about girls!"

"This song was the flip side of Good Vibrations, and it's called Somebody Hand me a Candy bar, and then we'll have World Peace"



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 22, 2020, 06:15:39 AM
Over saturation

It's more than that (although it is true). The venue was too large, it's in the middle of the week...in the middle of the winter, and is vaguely billed as "Greatest Hits Live", and if we're being honest with ourselves, Brian's live show does not seem to have the best reputation in live music circles right now.

What are you basing that on?

Regardless of how one feels about Brian's shows, or about whether he "should" be touring or not, I think there's plenty to base this on.

To start with, his most sympathetic, sometimes overly-forgiving fans online have, in the last few years, understandably shown some concern about the quality of his live performances. Again, I'm putting this as neutrally and sympathetically as possible. Ardent fans have shown concern and/or have noted his more challenged performances of recent years.

More to the general industry (touring industry and/or "music industry" in general), Brian's shows for several years now have received more critical reviews, and last year he certainly had a very impactful and very public postponement of a block of tour dates where he announced he was having difficulties. He then came back and did some additional dates. I think he was rightly commended by critics/writers/fans for bringing his issues to the fore and being open about his challenges. But I think that episode, coupled with shows before *and* after that episode displaying Brian continuing to have mixed/challenged performances on stage, has certainly impacted his reputation as a live act/tour. Clearly, he's still getting bookings. So whatever went down last year didn't devastate his rep or ability to book shows. That's good.

But there certainly shouldn't be any incredulity regarding why perhaps some 2020 shows might not be selling well. As outlined above, it isn't just his "rep" in the touring industry. This has happened now and then for many years now. Sometimes a show is just booked with poor timing, or sometimes not enough time given to sell tickets, or too large a venue is booked, or a market that won't support a show as much is booked. Add in some random luck of the draw, etc.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 22, 2020, 06:23:51 AM
Cue the "Brian should hang it up" debate again.    :deadhorse

Seriously, if the man wants to tour to give himself something to do and hang around with friends, let him.  If his act offends your sensibilities, stay home.

I think this topic is pretty current and an ongoing thing, and it's clearly complicated. I think people should remain respectful and not veer into hyperbole if they are concerned with how Brian's doing on stage.

But I don't think, especially at this stage, it's a topic that isn't worth delving into. Again, assuming everybody remains respectful (not only of each other, but of Brian and his band as well).

The idea that a long-time, understanding, sympathetic fan might wonder if Brian should still be touring is an idea that I think is worth at least simply discussing. I don't think anybody says such things lightly. I also think it's about more than simply offending one's personal sensibilities. There's a point where protective fans feel like an artist's legacy and dignity are being tested with increasingly challenged live performances. There is also something to be said for artists being respectful for the money and time fans invest in seeing these shows.

I mean, *is* there a point where observers/fans/critics *would* be justified in saying maybe an artist should hang it up? What if they stagger on stage every night, don't remember any words, randomly yell at band members or audience members, etc.? I'm not saying this is descriptive of Brian's shows at all. I'm trying to figure out if there's a line where it *is* okay for fans to ask this question aloud. If an artist comes on stage, seems angry or bored and disengaged, and instead of singing spends two hours on stage doing a crossword puzzle, is it *then* okay to say maybe they shouldn't be touring, even if they want to continue to do so?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: lastofmykind on January 22, 2020, 09:43:48 AM
I don't see this as a Brian should retire thread or a The Beach Boys vs Brian Wilson in show quality debate.  In my original post I tried my best to be as objective and narrow to the topic as possible.  I believe there is and should be room to delve into the discussion of the quality of a Brian Wilson or Beach Boys show.  Yes there are many with strong feelings to either side of the debate however we as fans should not have reservations about discussing any assessments we can see of the show.  I view this as more of an honest discussion based off of fellow fans perceptions and feelings and observations.  While yes its my opinion that Brian should consider retiring form live shows, I do not believe that it would make me any less of a fan of his.  There are many people here with varying and astute and educated opinions, that we would be wise to consider. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 22, 2020, 09:44:24 AM
I think it comes down to whether the performer is harming himself or others in the process of his touring. If I saw a solo performer destroying his/her life with drugs and alcohol I'd be less inclined to go their shows. I think there is a moral obligation for the concert goer to say "This man needs help and I'm not going to support this lifestyle anymore."

I guess some people see this with Brian. I honestly don't see how he is harming himself or others by performing. And as far as paying for a ticket and expecting a top-dollar show: In the age of digital media, I can watch the show from a couple nights ago on YouTube and get a general idea of what to expect for an upcoming show. It isn't at all a mystery to me as to what I'm going to hear...and this is likely the case for anyone who shells out the money to go see his concerts. We all probably leave going, "man Brian is aging" but with Blondie, Al, Matt, etc all there creating an incredible wall of harmonies and sound, no one leaves expecting their money back.

Funny thing, we all know Brian is loaded. There are plenty of legacy artists out there who are trying to make an actual living by touring. So if Brian were trying to put food on his table and did the exact same shows he is doing now it is likely that a lot of fans would show up and support him no matter how he performs on stage. So what's the difference here? Just because he has millions of dollars in the bank means he needs to sit on his ass at home?

Again, he doesn't like aspects of touring, but he also admits that he likes other aspects of touring. He isn't shutting down at shows, he is walking onto the stage on his own will. People aren't standing outside of the box-offices demanding their money back. No one in Brian's family or circle of friends has been publicly protesting his touring. So I have to think that this is something Brian wants to do himself.

I also think it's important to have these discussions. Brian will have to quit touring some day. But in the meantime, if we go to his shows and leave with a smile on our faces (and if Brian is happy to perform), then I don't see what the big fuss is about.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 22, 2020, 10:54:23 AM
I just want Brian to do what Brian wants to do. If he likes being out there, he should be out there. If ticket sales go down and he's forced to sit his ass at home for the duration of his life (which some people really want), I guess that's what will happen. (and I say "sit his ass at home" because he's said recently he doesn't have any plans to record, so besides touring he's not left with too many options).

One thing I will say, Mike and Bruce sound like sh*t on their YouTube recordings as well - in fact, much of my cell phone recordings of live Brian don't sound good at all....yet when you're there in person you're experiencing something totally different than what your phone captures. You're listening to a recording from a microphone less than the size of a grain of rice picking up amplified audio from a plethora of speakers - it's gonna sound bad. And I totally concede that it would sound better if Brian weren't nearly 80 years old. But he is nearly 80 and thats what we're gonna hear when we go to his shows.

Again, I just want Brian to do what he wants to do - if he wants to watch re-runs of Jeopardy on Netflix for the rest of his life, he absolutely should. He owes us fans absolutely nothing. But I also think if any of us were in his family, and we were trying to force Brian to quit touring (and he didn't want to quit), that would be a shameful thing to do.

Many (probably all) of us have seen firsthand an elderly person in our families age into their 80s/90s. It is a sad thing to witness, and many questions are raised during this time. Should an 85 year old with jittery hands and bad reflexes drive a car? No, because it puts people's lives in danger. Keeping them from driving can make them depressed. It sucks but you're possibly saving lives doing this. However, you want an elderly person doing as much as they can to keep active - it keeps them from depression, it gives them exercise, anything mentally stimulating is good. Sitting in a chair all day without moving gives you blood clots, watching TV all day does nothing good for your brain activity, not doing what you love (be it wood cutting, mowing the lawn, or singing some songs to a crowd) can send you into a depression.

Anyways, my point being, if Brian wants to be up there, I think that's why he's up there. His family probably sees the benefits of it, Brian isn't harming anyone by getting up there singing shows. I guess if you think he's being forced to tour against his will, then yeah I can see why you'd want to force him to quit touring. But if you logically think about how members of his family (close and extended), circles of friends, doctors, etc all don't protest his touring, that alone tells me that he's up there doing what he wants to do and it's healthy for him to do (the bad back he has on stage is the same bad back he'd have to deal with at home).

Very good points, it's a shame they have to be repeated so often.

The point in bold: From the clips emerging from Mike's tours especially from 2013-1016 or thereabouts at that time, I'd say the examples of Mike being off key and some of the group vocals sounding "off" overall outweighed those where it actually sounded good. A recording from a phone can alter quality but it can't alter pitch from the singers. Either it's in tune or it's not, and some of those were downright bad.

Yet if people observed that, they were accused of "bashing" Mike, and being haters. Well, no, it just didn't sound good and Mike in some cases sounded worn out, tired, or sounded like his age. I haven't watched any in recent months from recent tours, but even with the almost total lack of reviews from Mike's recent shows you rarely saw them commenting on Mike's voice in particular.

So there's a comparison if you look for it.

But the takeaway in the post above is that people are going for the experience of seeing a performer like Brian Wilson live and in person. It truly is that simple.

In a world where there were artists who were Brian's peers in the 60's like Frankie Valli who charged people good money to see him and then lip-synched and mimed to backing tracks *at a live concert*...at least Brian is singing live. And yes, it is warts and all, but he is pushing 80 (as if anyone needed clarification on that...) and he wants to be on stage playing for his fans at this point. And as long as people are buying tickets and venues are confident enough on their returns that they keep booking Brian, it's a pointless pursuit to again try to convince someone out there that it's not worth it, and that Brian should hang it up and retire.

Don't buy tickets if you think he should retire. Save up 125 bucks to see Mike in concert, or check one of the many Hawaiian-shirt-clad BB tribute bands padding around the US. It's that simple.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: lastofmykind on January 22, 2020, 11:42:38 AM
Guitarfool, I guess my basic gripe is as a consumer that I don’t feel the price for a decent ticket to see Brian and company is commensurate with the product.  As a consumer I feel as though if I’m going to put out in excess of 100 US dollars for a good seat, that I would like to see a little more than a 30 song greatest hits show.  I had no problem shelling how 100 dollars for That Lucky Old Sun tour or the Smile tour or even The Beach Boys reunion tour or the Jeff Beck double bill.  Personally for me 100 bucks for the novelty of seeing Brian is a bit steep for a greatest hits show and the declining vocals.   


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 22, 2020, 11:55:25 AM
Then just don’t go! Not a big deal. Just let him tour if he wants to for the people who do want to see him.

Just my two cents.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on January 22, 2020, 01:28:48 PM
Guitarfool, I guess my basic gripe is as a consumer that I don’t feel the price for a decent ticket to see Brian and company is commensurate with the product.  As a consumer I feel as though if I’m going to put out in excess of 100 US dollars for a good seat, that I would like to see a little more than a 30 song greatest hits show.  I had no problem shelling how 100 dollars for That Lucky Old Sun tour or the Smile tour or even The Beach Boys reunion tour or the Jeff Beck double bill.  Personally for me 100 bucks for the novelty of seeing Brian is a bit steep for a greatest hits show and the declining vocals.  

Wow, your standards are pretty high!  Didn't the C50 reunion tour shows regularly include well over 40 songs?  I'd say that 100 bucks for a show like that is a damn good deal and I'd be only too happy to pay that again.  Brian's shows are still relatively reasonably priced, all things considered.  I saw him in September on the Something Great from 68 Tour - I paid I think just over $100 for a fourth row seat to one of the best shows of my life.  It was money extraordinarily well-spent.  You're getting what, an EXCELLENT twelve-piece band playing some of the best pop music ever written, for that price.  In comparison, Mike and Bruce's shows aren't exactly cheap anymore, unless you happen to catch them at a state fair or something.  They're playing Washington DC and the good seats are $127 plus fees.

It's all personal choice.  You've said that for you, the product isn't worth the price.  But for some people, it is.  One of the advantages of youtube, social media, etc...is that you can see clips of pretty much any performer.  With a little help from google, it's easy to make an informed decision before buying tickets to a concert.  If people don't want to buy tickets, fine.  If they do, fine.  I'm not saying this isn't a valid topic for discussion, but it has been debated endlessly on this board and I honestly don't know what more can be said about the subject.  


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 22, 2020, 02:06:44 PM
As someone who completely chose to not attend this evening AND as someone that very regularly goes to see BOTH touring groups, I have not left Mike and Bruce's show disappointed as often as I have left Brian's show disappointed.

I've seen Mike and Bruce's show ten times between 2010-2018, and Brian and Al's show five times between 2013-2018, (and Al's story teller show twice!) of course out of all of these the "winner" is none of them. The best concert I've attended with any Beach Boys present, was June 15th 2012 with all five living members. 2nd row dead center, soundcheck + meet and greet, with Brian in GREAT form that night on and off stage. Only once since then, have I seen Brian in BETTER shape and that was the Strathmore Pet Sounds show in 2016. He was a damn firecracker that night and I'll never forget it. 2013 with Jeff Beck & 2015 NPP were "eh", and the other two Pet Sounds shows (2016 & 2018) were truly awful nights from Brian. As for Mike and Bruce, they were on fire from 2013-2016, but the aftermath of C50 crumbling apart cast a dark cloud over it and it did infringe on the experience for me, thinking about what could have been. In 2017, I was verbally abused by Bruce Johnston for no good reason after a so-so show in Ocean City (with front row seats no less). I swore I wouldn't put more money in their pocket, then they came back around with the Christmas Tour in 2018 and I caved as I'd never heard those. It was a rough night vocally, for everybody, and was definitely the worst I've seen them.

Why do I share all this? Because after all that, I still hope and pray that there is one last peaceful and musically magical encounter with Mike, Brian, and Al together before we don't have the luxury of complaining about this anymore.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: juggler on January 22, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
In 2017, I was verbally abused by Bruce Johnston for no good reason after a so-so show in Ocean City (with front row seats no less).

Whoa.  Verbally abused?  How did that happen?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 22, 2020, 03:48:43 PM
In 2017, I was verbally abused by Bruce Johnston for no good reason after a so-so show in Ocean City (with front row seats no less).

Whoa.  Verbally abused?  How did that happen?

Simply by waiting in a spot by the stage door that a member of the touring team told me to wait to speak to John Cowsill and get an autograph (I had met his siblings on the Happy Together tour, and wanted to add his autograph to theirs). Bruce assumed I was waiting for him when I simply bade him good night while he was making his way to the bus, then got in my face and went off on me about how he wasn't signing anything for me (I did not bring him anything, nor did I ask him to sign anything). This was minutes after he was talking chummy with me from the edge of the stage about how great Mike's book was (I brought and asked Mike to sign it after the encore, which he proudly did as he got to show off the book lol). Anyway, I kept my cool and told him I was waiting for Mr. Cowsill, thus coining the phrase that my fiancé and I still toss around in jest "Well all RIGHT then Mr. MAAAAN!" and stomping his feet up the steps of the bus, and slamming the door. The whole band walked by one at a time while I waited for John (he was last), including Mike Love, and I wished them all good night and thanked them for the show. They were all gracious, returned the gesture, and moved on.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Wirestone on January 22, 2020, 04:37:02 PM
Brian’s shows, with the exception of four years or so (roughly the 2000 orchestral Pet Sounds shows through the 2004 Smile shows) have always been perceived as partial novelties by the public. Brian has always been an erratic and unique live performer. What’s funny is that his actual best stretch of performing was probably 2007-2010, when a lot of folks simply weren’t watching.

Anyway, he’s getting older and the shows are getting worse (or at least less consistent). The fans knows this. But a good BW show for us was always a little different than a good performance from almost any other act. His shows have also never sold that well in the United States, with the exception of the post-Love and Mercy Pet Sounds shows.

The situation has always been complicated, and the views of the general public, fans, and those in Brian’s orbit frequently differ. There’s never a single answer, except that I’m glad his band has work. They deserve it.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: juggler on January 22, 2020, 05:48:03 PM
In 2017, I was verbally abused by Bruce Johnston for no good reason after a so-so show in Ocean City (with front row seats no less).

Whoa.  Verbally abused?  How did that happen?

Simply by waiting in a spot by the stage door that a member of the touring team told me to wait to speak to John Cowsill and get an autograph (I had met his siblings on the Happy Together tour, and wanted to add his autograph to theirs). Bruce assumed I was waiting for him when I simply bade him good night while he was making his way to the bus, then got in my face and went off on me about how he wasn't signing anything for me (I did not bring him anything, nor did I ask him to sign anything). This was minutes after he was talking chummy with me from the edge of the stage about how great Mike's book was (I brought and asked Mike to sign it after the encore, which he proudly did as he got to show off the book lol). Anyway, I kept my cool and told him I was waiting for Mr. Cowsill, thus coining the phrase that my fiancé and I still toss around in jest "Well all RIGHT then Mr. MAAAAN!" and stomping his feet up the steps of the bus, and slamming the door. The whole band walked by one at a time while I waited for John (he was last), including Mike Love, and I wished them all good night and thanked them for the show. They were all gracious, returned the gesture, and moved on.

Yikes, there's no excuse for treating a fan like that.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 22, 2020, 08:12:25 PM
If setlist.fm is to be trusted, it appears that "California Saga" and "Let Him Run Wild" returned. The latter being one of the few songs I've never heard any variant on the band perform live! I assume Matt takes the lead on that one?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on January 22, 2020, 08:35:22 PM
If setlist.fm is to be trusted, it appears that "California Saga" and "Let Him Run Wild" returned. The latter being one of the few songs I've never heard any variant on the band perform live! I assume Matt takes the lead on that one?

That's right, both those songs were in the setlist.  LHRW was in the setlist going back maybe two years to the later Pet Sounds shows.  Yup, Matt sings lead.  It's a good one for the band. 

I'll post tomorrow but it was a good show despite some issues with the sound mix, and a very sedate audience. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: spgass on January 22, 2020, 08:52:40 PM
Just got back from the Maryland show at MGM.  This was my first time seeing BW since my parents took me to my first rock concert on June 6, 1983 when the Beach Boys played at RFK in DC after a Team America vs Fort Lauderdale Strikers soccer game.

I bought the $23 seats for my brother and me but was pleasantly surprised when offered by the ushers to move closer to the floor.  The place looked mostly full to me.  Anyway, we had a really great time and I'm very glad we went.  Crowd was mostly old-ish but there were some younger folks there as well including a young couple sitting near us that danced during several songs.  Al Jardine was awesome and Matt did a great job as well.  I thought Brian sounded good too, especially on Do It Again, Heroes and Villains, and Love and Mercy.  It smelled like someone must have lit a joint when Darian sang I Can Hear Music.

Lots of comments about whether Brian should continue touring...  I agree with those who say it's up to him.  I disagree that him performing could possibly take anything away from his legacy.  Nothing can take away from the songs and albums BW wrote and recorded....  

In addition the Beach Boys, I'm also into bluegrass and classic country music - and regret not seeing Bill Monroe and Johnny Cash when I had the chance.  Seeing a living legend perform tonight was a special experience.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on January 22, 2020, 11:25:23 PM
I think a lot of the younger fans just want the experience of seeing Brian in person. I was real happy when I saw the Beach Boys in the Kingdome in Seattle and Brian was with them. Didn't matter that he didn't sing a lot, he was looking better than he had in years. It was just cool he was there.
There are certain artists that you want the honor of seeing at least once while you share space on this planet with them. If it turns out to be a great concert, all the better.
Having said that, I have seen Brian in concert a few times - twice with the Beach Boys, and once with his own band; for me, that satisfied the need to just see him, to be in physical proximity to him. If I was to go see him again, it would be because I expected a great show.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on January 23, 2020, 04:31:03 AM
Ive seen Brian twice, in 2015 and 2016. And have seen Mike Love's band in 2016. No regrets whatsoever.  When you are pushing into your late 70's you arent going to have a good night every night.  Was happy just to see them when I did, I consider it a gift of sorts 

 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 23, 2020, 07:51:45 AM
It was such a joyful concert!

- I was up in the balcony, second row center, with my wife, mom, and dad. The place looked packed from my vantage point. There were definitely empty seats up in the balcony, but there were plenty of people in attendance. And what a HAPPY crowd! As has been said, it was an older crowd, however the balcony seemed to be full of younger people. People were dancing in the aisles, Brian got a long standing ovation after 'God Only Knows' (as usual)...Its just awesome how universal that is to every concert I've been to of his.

- There were some audio level issues, but overall it sounded great. Matt was sometimes seen pointing to his mic and wordlessly asking for his level to be raised. But the concert sounded so darn good - even as far away as the balcony.

- Matt on 'Let Him Run Wild' and 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' was incredible (and as usual he knocked it out of the park on 'Don't Worry Baby').

- Darian drew a well deserved long applause for his lead on 'Darlin' - that was a definite highlight of the evening for me.

- Al sounded young as usual...it's crazy how his voice hasn't changed much since the 60s.

- 'I Can Hear Music' was perfect - the harmonies were all on point.

- 'Feel Flows' was amazing. The sound of the bass reverberated through the theater was awesome, Blondie was super energetic. I am so glad that in their "Greatest Hits" shows they still include these more unknown gems.

- Blondie's guitar playing was rather distorted but it sure did rock. And when he'd wrap up the song with the band it was so well rehearsed.

- Brian overall sounded great. There were some missed cues here and there. But he was vocally on point for most of the night. He sounded fantastic on 'Little Deuce Coupe'. His lead on 'Love and Mercy' was darn near perfect and it was the most emotional part of the night. My wife said that Brian looked a bit more tired than compared to when we went to see him a few years ago. I couldn't really tell a difference but I know she's right.

When I looked out on the crowd everyone was happy. When I asked my dad what his favorite part of the concert was, he replied "the entire thing." That's the kind of night it was. People dancing in the aisles, young people up on the balcony standing and singing, the band was so into it. As was said by Senator Blutarsky, these concerts are a gift. If this type of thing doesn't bring you joy (seeing Brian in his old age, missing cues) then I guess I understand why you wouldn't attend. But no one in the crowd seemed to be bothered by it - people were just happy to be there and experience this incredible music, being led by one of the greatest songwriters of all time.

It was a definite gift for me. I hope to see him in concert again, but if he does retire soon then it ended on a high note for me.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on January 23, 2020, 11:42:21 AM
I had a great time at last night's show at National Harbour.  We had front row seats (the most beautiful words in the English language  :)) but from my vantage point, the crowd was awfully sedate.  I didn't see many people dancing at all (with the exception of two quite inebriated but joyful fellows right next to us) and usually the first few rows are full of pretty hyped-up people.  Anyway, setting that aside, the band seemed to be having fun, aside from some issues with the sound, which Rab mentioned.  Matt, Darian and Blondie were all gesturing for the bass to be turned down at various points.  The curtains were closed prior to the show and when they opened, the whole band, including Brian, were onstage playing.  At the end of the show, the band bowed, Brian remained seated, and the curtains closed.  So the audience did not see Brian move around onstage. 

The setlist was pretty strong for a "greatest hits" show.  For me the highlights were: 

Surfer Girl...when Brian sang the bridge and the spotlight shone on him, it was just beautiful.  As Rab noted, his vocals were good all night, with the exception of God Only Knows, which I think is consistently a struggle for him (and I don't wonder why...it's a hard song to sing, and requires a big range).  He actually ended God Only Knows early and was clearly eager to move on. 

Al is always a joy.  His voice is so great, and he just exudes this gentlemanly grace onstage.  It just makes me so happy to watch him up there, especially watching him next to Brian.  California Saga was a highlight for me. 

Do it Again is one of my favorite BB songs, so I'm always happy to see it included in any setlist.  But last night they recreated the drum effect at the very beginning of the recorded version.  In the last verse of the song, you could really hear that echo-y drum and I've never picked up on that when they've played it live before.  Brian actually said something about drums when Al introduced the song, but I didn't catch exactly what he said.   Anyway, very cool. 

Heroes and Villains...impeccable.  Nothing more to say. 

I Can Hear Music...Darian's rendition of this song is absolutely beautiful.  And I think this manages to hit a sweet spot in terms of pleasing the whole audience.  It's well-known enough that even the casual fan responds well, but it's enough of a rarity in live shows that it's a treat for more hardcore fans. 

Blondie's set was good, as always, and I too am so glad that they kept Feel Flows in the setlist (and that Blondie usually mentions Carl, which I think is really nice).  My only minor complaint about Blondie is that his funny antics (crazy dancing, etc...) almost detract from the fact that he is an ASTOUNDING singer.  Really, he has a voice from heaven. 

I went into this show with tempered expectations.  The last time I saw Brian was the last show of the Something Great from 68 tour and it was MIND-BLOWING, so I was preparing myself for a less exciting setlist, the possibility of seeing Brian on an off night, etc...  But I was not disappointed at all, and I loved every second of it.  For me, the bottom line is that it's a chance to hear this music played live, and music played live by a real band is a sound that you simply cannot replicate any other way.  I love the many recorded versions of Heroes and Villains that I can listen to at home, but hearing the vocal blend by a live band sends chills down my spine.  Hearing the pause just before the last crashing chorus of Good Vibrations - hearing it live, I mean?  Bliss.  And this is a chance to hear that music performed by two original BBs and their hand-picked band.  I will keep going to see them every time I can. 


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 23, 2020, 01:52:37 PM
I had a great time at last night's show at National Harbour.  We had front row seats (the most beautiful words in the English language  :)) but from my vantage point, the crowd was awfully sedate.  I didn't see many people dancing at all (with the exception of two quite inebriated but joyful fellows right next to us) and usually the first few rows are full of pretty hyped-up people.

This was my first show with a balcony seat, and it was cool to have a vantage point over the whole crowd. Haha I was looking at those inebriated fellows and wondered how the people around them were feeling about it...especially the people behind them. The people behind them actually started to stand just so they could see the show!

I was kinda lucky in that I was in the second row balcony but no one was sitting directly in front of us. So there wasn't anything to distract me from the show. I will say that the stage light was sometimes blinding to those of us in balcony seats. But it didn't happen often enough to give me a negative impression of the show.

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Do it Again is one of my favorite BB songs, so I'm always happy to see it included in any setlist.  But last night they recreated the drum effect at the very beginning of the recorded version.  In the last verse of the song, you could really hear that echo-y drum and I've never picked up on that when they've played it live before.

Yes! I meant to mention this, but it was so cool to hear that - I kept trying to figure out how they were making that sound (I kept checking to see if there was an electronic drum pad but I couldn't see one).

Edit: also meant to add that I really dug the inclusion of the 'You Still Believe In Me' intro piece to the end of 'Love and Mercy' - I'm not sure if this is something they've been doing for a long time, but it's something I just noticed and really liked last night.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: TonyOC on January 23, 2020, 04:48:30 PM
So I have been lurking on this board for about 5 years now and have never posted anything.While I share a love of the BB’s music with all of you, I have no musical skills and oftentimes I find myself amazed at some of the musical knowledge of the contributors. So thank you for educating me.

That said, I wanted to echo what Rab, Marcella and the rest have posted regarding last night’s concert at National Harbour. I had actually not intended to go initially; seeing Brian struggle on stage during his last two appearances in the DC area was not something I wanted to go through again. But as the date of the concert drew nearer I began to realize - hey, how many more chances am I gonna have to share the same room with someone who has brought so much joy to my life? So, I relented and attended the show. One of the best decisions I’ve made in awhile!!

Brian’s voice was stronger than it’s been since the 50th anniversary tour and the rest of the guys all sounded great. The high point, among the many moments I enjoyed, was hearing the first few bars of GOK — I thought I would melt right there in my seat.

I guess what I wanted to impart to all of you is — if Brian and his band are scheduled to appear anywhere near your home, you should make a point of buying a ticket and attending. I don’t think you will be disappointed!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 23, 2020, 06:40:38 PM
I'm so glad that this night turned into a success. I guess something I didn't take into account, is that a casino that's already populated with people may be obliged to buy tickets to who is performing, regardless of who it is. Not to say it wasn't Brian's crowd, no matter who it was it is clear Brian and the band made them his crowd! I hope we continue to hear about MORE nights like this!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on January 23, 2020, 07:34:43 PM
I had a great time at last night's show at National Harbour.  We had front row seats (the most beautiful words in the English language  :)) but from my vantage point, the crowd was awfully sedate.  I didn't see many people dancing at all (with the exception of two quite inebriated but joyful fellows right next to us) and usually the first few rows are full of pretty hyped-up people.

This was my first show with a balcony seat, and it was cool to have a vantage point over the whole crowd. Haha I was looking at those inebriated fellows and wondered how the people around them were feeling about it...especially the people behind them. The people behind them actually started to stand just so they could see the show!

I was kinda lucky in that I was in the second row balcony but no one was sitting directly in front of us. So there wasn't anything to distract me from the show. I will say that the stage light was sometimes blinding to those of us in balcony seats. But it didn't happen often enough to give me a negative impression of the show.

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Do it Again is one of my favorite BB songs, so I'm always happy to see it included in any setlist.  But last night they recreated the drum effect at the very beginning of the recorded version.  In the last verse of the song, you could really hear that echo-y drum and I've never picked up on that when they've played it live before.

Yes! I meant to mention this, but it was so cool to hear that - I kept trying to figure out how they were making that sound (I kept checking to see if there was an electronic drum pad but I couldn't see one).

Edit: also meant to add that I really dug the inclusion of the 'You Still Believe In Me' intro piece to the end of 'Love and Mercy' - I'm not sure if this is something they've been doing for a long time, but it's something I just noticed and really liked last night.

Those guys were immediately to our right.  They were really drunk!  But they were so happy, and kept shouting things like "thank you so much" with such passion after songs that it was hard not to like them.  Then again, they weren't blocking my view.

I wondered too about a drum pad duing Do It Again but because the drum kit is raised, I couldn't see from where I was sitting.  I don't really know anything about drum equipment but I'd be curious to know what they did.  It was super cool. 

And yes, weaving in You Still Believe In Me to Love and Mercy is a lovely touch.  I love those little touches, like Darian playing the melody from Rhapsody in Blue at the end of Fun Fun Fun. They're like little hidden treats :)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: marcella27 on January 23, 2020, 07:38:33 PM
So I have been lurking on this board for about 5 years now and have never posted anything.While I share a love of the BB’s music with all of you, I have no musical skills and oftentimes I find myself amazed at some of the musical knowledge of the contributors. So thank you for educating me.

That said, I wanted to echo what Rab, Marcella and the rest have posted regarding last night’s concert at National Harbour. I had actually not intended to go initially; seeing Brian struggle on stage during his last two appearances in the DC area was not something I wanted to go through again. But as the date of the concert drew nearer I began to realize - hey, how many more chances am I gonna have to share the same room with someone who has brought so much joy to my life? So, I relented and attended the show. One of the best decisions I’ve made in awhile!!

Brian’s voice was stronger than it’s been since the 50th anniversary tour and the rest of the guys all sounded great. The high point, among the many moments I enjoyed, was hearing the first few bars of GOK — I thought I would melt right there in my seat.

I guess what I wanted to impart to all of you is — if Brian and his band are scheduled to appear anywhere near your home, you should make a point of buying a ticket and attending. I don’t think you will be disappointed!

Glad that you had a great time, and glad that you posted!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: spgass on January 23, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
I'm so glad that this night turned into a success. I guess something I didn't take into account, is that a casino that's already populated with people may be obliged to buy tickets to who is performing, regardless of who it is. Not to say it wasn't Brian's crowd, no matter who it was it is clear Brian and the band made them his crowd! I hope we continue to hear about MORE nights like this!

I'm very glad as well.  I'm thinking they must have sold a lot of tickets in the last few days before the concert.  Although I wouldn't be surprised if some hotel guests attended, I think it was mostly concertgoers rather than the casino crowd - I was surprised how crowded the casino was on a Wednesday (we walked through on our way in), but think that was mostly locals who came for just the casino.  The casino had some kind of incentive thing going on - there were lots of people walking around with new comforters for beds.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on January 23, 2020, 07:57:41 PM
I checked TicketBastard about two hours before showtime, and it was about 60% sold. A few stragglers on the back of the floor were left, and a lot of the balcony was left. I suspect they sold a lot of walkups, whether they were gamblers, or just confident concertgoers that didn't buy in advance! :lol


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Tony S on January 24, 2020, 04:58:26 AM
It looks like Carney's husband has replaced Nick Walusco in the band. At least hes playing guitar in nicks spot on stage


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 24, 2020, 05:05:56 AM
I'm so glad that this night turned into a success. I guess something I didn't take into account, is that a casino that's already populated with people may be obliged to buy tickets to who is performing, regardless of who it is. Not to say it wasn't Brian's crowd, no matter who it was it is clear Brian and the band made them his crowd! I hope we continue to hear about MORE nights like this!

I'm very glad as well.  I'm thinking they must have sold a lot of tickets in the last few days before the concert.  Although I wouldn't be surprised if some hotel guests attended, I think it was mostly concertgoers rather than the casino crowd - I was surprised how crowded the casino was on a Wednesday (we walked through on our way in), but think that was mostly locals who came for just the casino.  The casino had some kind of incentive thing going on - there were lots of people walking around with new comforters for beds.

We walked through on our way out and my dad said the same thing. Coming from an area where gambling is illegal (at least casinos are) I think I'm just not used to how popular gambling is.

Something I just remembered, we ate at a deli in the MGM, and one of the people working there was loudly talking to another coworker "...some nobody, have you heard of Brian Wilson?" I kinda smiled just thinking about someone calling Brian a "nobody". He then looked right at me and proceeded to stop talking, I wonder if he realized I may be attending the concert of the "nobody".

I'm so glad that you all had a great time as well. I hope the tour continues to leave people with positive impressions.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: startBBtoday on January 24, 2020, 05:38:00 AM
Brian is playing in Massachusetts tonight. I'd probably go if tickets weren't $77 plus another $10+ each in fees. They appear to be selling well, however. https://www1.ticketmaster.com/brian-wilson-lynn-massachusetts-01-24-2020/event/0100565AC0B46CDF

This reporter took an interesting approach to flesh out Brian's terse answers while promoting the show.

https://www.itemlive.com/2020/01/22/advance-on-brian-wilson-concertfriday-jan-24-at-lynn-auditorium/


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on January 24, 2020, 06:37:20 AM
Wow, so nice to read all the positive reviews. Thanks guys! :) 



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 24, 2020, 07:04:17 AM
I still wonder why they don't just send Al out to promote these shows with this quickie local interviews. Regardless of where you come down on the debate of who is responsible for these painful interviews (and I think it's usually both sides to varying degrees), they are often awkward and painful.

Brian is in some ways running a shadow Beach Boys show with Al and Blondie. Much like back in the 70s Jeff Lynne used to just shove Bev Bevan out in front in group interviews, Brian should just let Al do these interview pieces. I dunno, maybe some media outlets won't run the story if Brian's management only offer Al for an interview, but I'm sure some would. And then you get a nice, warm Al interview that is almost always pleasant enough and friendly. Al talks up Brian better than Brian does.

They could at least send Al and Brian together for these interviews (or do a three-way phone call for phone interviews), and let Al steer the interview.

That way, even the kindly, friendly, sympathetic local journalists don't have to essentially run excerpts of Brian's book to get a piece up to printable standards.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: rab2591 on January 24, 2020, 07:09:57 AM
They could at least send Al and Brian together for these interviews (or do a three-way phone call for phone interviews), and let Al steer the interview.

That way, even the kindly, friendly, sympathetic local journalists don't have to essentially run excerpts of Brian's book to get a piece up to printable standards.

They really should do this. I would imagine Al being able to take up some slack would make Brian more comfortable.

Also, great idea for that reporter to take excerpts from the book - sucks he has to do that in the first place, but it makes for a far less awkward piece.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Acechaser on January 27, 2020, 03:53:14 PM
Brian and co. apparently played at the Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, CT last Thursday night (1/23).  However, I live 45 minutes from that venue and had no idea that the concert took place.  Any chance that it was a private concert of some sort?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: All Summer Long on January 27, 2020, 06:54:56 PM
Brian and co. apparently played at the Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, CT last Thursday night (1/23).  However, I live 45 minutes from that venue and had no idea that the concert took place.  Any chance that it was a private concert of some sort?

Someone commented in the Brian Wilson Tour FB group that it was a private show.  Too bad though because it was somewhat close to me.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 27, 2020, 08:55:10 PM
https://www.itemlive.com/2020/01/26/brian-wilson-brings-the-hits-to-lynn-auditorium/ (https://www.itemlive.com/2020/01/26/brian-wilson-brings-the-hits-to-lynn-auditorium/)

<<<<<<
Brian Wilson brings the hits to Lynn Auditorium
By Bill Brotherton | January 26, 2020

LYNN — There were plenty of good vibrations in Lynn Auditorium Friday night, as Beach Boys maestro Brian Wilson and his sensational 10-piece band thrilled a near-capacity crowd for nearly two hours.

It was alarming when Wilson, 77, arrived on stage, using a walker and assisted by band members, and seated at his white grand piano. It’s tough to see our music heroes get old. Mental health issues were cited as the reason this show was postponed from last April.

Wilson was hesitant at first, easing his way into his impressive songbook. But the band and “We love you, Brian” chants from the audience energized his performance, which got stronger as the show progressed.

This band is something else, perhaps the best touring outfit in pop music today. Like the champion New England Patriots, every member does his job and you know they’ll have Wilson’s back if he starts to falter.

When Wilson appeared at the auditorium in the spring of 2017, the focus was on “Pet Sounds,” the innovative 1966 masterwork that is considered one of pop music’s finest achievements.

It was nothing but the hits on Friday night. After a snippet of “River Deep, Mountain High,” the Ike and Tina Turner hit produced by his idol Phil Spector, sung by Blondie Chapman, the band jumped right into “California Girls,” with everyone in the audience adding harmony vocals.

Then it was one hit after another, 27 in all, spanning Wilson’s Beach Boys years and his solo career. “I Get Around,” a series of car songs (“Shut Down,” “Little Deuce Coupe,” sung by Al Jardine), the glorious “Surfer Girl,” “Don’t Worry Baby,” sung by Matt Jardine, son of Al, who hit  all the sweet high notes).

Wilson really hit his stride about one-third of the way through the show. The lively “Do It Again” got the crowd clapping along.

Chapman’s electric guitar fueled a mid-set trio of songs (“Feel Flows,” “Wild Honey” and the sublime “Sail On Sailor”). It was jarring at first, following so many harmonic two- and three-minute Wilson nuggets, but it invigorated concertgoers.

The harmonies during “I Can Hear Music,” “Wouldn’t It Be Nice,” with Matt Jardine singing lead, and “Sloop John B,” a loud sing-along, were magnificent. “This is the BEST trip I’ve ever been on,” sang Al Jardine, altering the lyrics, drawing cheers.

Wilson took control for the rest of the show. One of the prettiest songs in American pop music, “God Only Knows,” with flute and French horn adding tenderness, hit the heart and soul. Audience participation was off the charts for the remainder: “Good Vibrations,” “Help Me Rhonda,” “Barbara Ann,” “Surfin’ USA,” and “Fun Fun Fun” were enlivened by everyone in the band, some 1,800 fans and even opening act, the Andrea Magee Band, onstage singing along.

The evening ended with Wilson delivering a solid version of the piano ballad “Love and Mercy.” “Love and mercy, that’s what you need tonight/So, love and mercy to you and your friends tonight,” he sang to the loving, supportive fans who realized how lucky they were to see this American music giant in concert one more time. Perhaps for the last time.

Andrea Magee and band opened with an excellent, upbeat short set. The Belfast-born singer, who’s quite adept playing the bodhran Irish drum, and her three bandmates, wowed with their version of the oft-covered “Down to the River to Pray” and four original tunes.
>>>>>>


So...Does that sound like a downer of a show?


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on January 28, 2020, 07:19:15 AM
Nice!



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 28, 2020, 07:25:29 AM
Added setlists to the tour schedule near the top of the thread.

Added the January 23rd Mohegan Sun show, with setlist. It's being called a private show by some folks. I don't know the precise nature of the show. That's a prettty big venue for a private show. If that's what it is, perhaps it's a bigger corporate gig.

Also, was the 1/24 Lynn, MA show *not* a Pet Sounds show? It was originally going to be a rescheduled PS show. The setlist isn't up on setlist.fm, but that review seems to suggest it was a "regular" show.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: thr33 on January 28, 2020, 07:26:08 AM
Sounds a lot like the show in Englewood, NJ the next day. Great show, with Brian doing an awesome job on Heroes and Villains right before Blondie's set.

A lot of the merch had the modified gatefold from 20/20. They had Do It Again and I Can Hear Music (Darian on lead) in the set, I wonder if they'll incorporate more songs from the album in shows later this year. Maybe Cabin Essence would be tough, but Cotton Fields, I Went To Sleep and Time To Get Alone seem like songs they could add since they did a pretty good job with similar songs from Friends/Surf's Up last year.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: thr33 on January 28, 2020, 07:31:29 AM
Added setlists to the tour schedule near the top of the thread.

Added the January 23rd Mohegan Sun show, with setlist. It's being called a private show by some folks. I don't know the precise nature of the show. That's a prettty big venue for a private show. If that's what it is, perhaps it's a bigger corporate gig.

Also, was the 1/24 Lynn, MA show *not* a Pet Sounds show? It was originally going to be a rescheduled PS show. The setlist isn't up on setlist.fm, but that review seems to suggest it was a "regular" show.
The Mohegan sun show seemed to be closed to guests at the casino. They were giving away tickets to people who stayed overnight (was on this page https://mohegansun.com/hotel-spa-and-golf/special-packages.html) though they did send emails with complimentary tickets to frequent guests with a lot of points (screenshot (https://i.imgur.com/d0J8wX9.png) from an email a friend who went forwarded me).

(EDIT: Apologies for the double post)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on January 28, 2020, 07:37:00 AM
Added setlists to the tour schedule near the top of the thread.

Added the January 23rd Mohegan Sun show, with setlist. It's being called a private show by some folks. I don't know the precise nature of the show. That's a prettty big venue for a private show. If that's what it is, perhaps it's a bigger corporate gig.

Also, was the 1/24 Lynn, MA show *not* a Pet Sounds show? It was originally going to be a rescheduled PS show. The setlist isn't up on setlist.fm, but that review seems to suggest it was a "regular" show.
The Mohegan sun show seemed to be closed to guests at the casino. They were giving away tickets to people who stayed overnight (was on this page https://mohegansun.com/hotel-spa-and-golf/special-packages.html) though they did send emails with complimentary tickets to frequent guests with a lot of points (screenshot (https://i.imgur.com/d0J8wX9.png) from an email a friend who went forwarded me).

(EDIT: Apologies for the double post)

Thanks for the info. What a weird way to handle a show. I always figure one of the main lures of casino gigs is that they sell people the concert ticket and then get them to book time at the hotel. And then they also often comp tickets to various types of guests. This scenario sounds like they did the comps without also selling the tickets to the general public.

So it's kind of somewhere in between a public and private show I guess.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on February 05, 2020, 03:46:03 PM
Just found out that Brian and co will be playing at the annual "Family Gras" in suburban New Orleans on February 15. They will be doing a Greatest Hits show.
The Mike/Bruce Beach Boys have played this in the past.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on February 06, 2020, 06:21:26 AM
Just found out that Brian and co will be playing at the annual "Family Gras" in suburban New Orleans on February 15. They will be doing a Greatest Hits show.
The Mike/Bruce Beach Boys have played this in the past.

Thanks for the heads-up. I've added this to the schedule near the top of the thread. Not sure why this gig is flying so far under the radar. Hadn't heard about it, and it's not on Brian's website from what I can tell.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Lonely Summer on February 06, 2020, 10:20:31 PM
Just found out that Brian and co will be playing at the annual "Family Gras" in suburban New Orleans on February 15. They will be doing a Greatest Hits show.
The Mike/Bruce Beach Boys have played this in the past.

Thanks for the heads-up. I've added this to the schedule near the top of the thread. Not sure why this gig is flying so far under the radar. Hadn't heard about it, and it's not on Brian's website from what I can tell.
Maybe Brian and co. will be getting a lot of the gigs that Mike and Bruce used to do. That is, if the fallout from the safari gig is as big as it appears to be.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: BeachBoysCovers on February 07, 2020, 02:46:32 PM
Just found out that Brian and co will be playing at the annual "Family Gras" in suburban New Orleans on February 15. They will be doing a Greatest Hits show.
The Mike/Bruce Beach Boys have played this in the past.

Thanks for the heads-up. I've added this to the schedule near the top of the thread. Not sure why this gig is flying so far under the radar. Hadn't heard about it, and it's not on Brian's website from what I can tell.
Maybe Brian and co. will be getting a lot of the gigs that Mike and Bruce used to do. That is, if the fallout from the safari gig is as big as it appears to be.

Or... 99% of the typical Mike show audience either didn't know or didn't care or will have forgotten about the safari stuff by, say, March 1st.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on February 15, 2020, 10:01:05 AM
I’m a bit bummed at most probably not being able to see Brian and company tonight. Hopefully some other members can go.
His performance is scheduled to start at approximately 10:00 and last a little over an hour. It can’t start until the two parades in the area pass by. Hope there aren’t too many delays - usually a float breaks down; occasionally a rider gets likkered up too much and falls off the float. The weather should be nice, thank goodness.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 15, 2020, 01:08:34 PM
Brian & Co will be at the "Laid Back" music festival in Jones Beach with Steve Miller, Marty Stuart, & Taj Mahal on August 8th.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 15, 2020, 07:09:46 PM
Brian & Co will be at the "Laid Back" music festival in Jones Beach with Steve Miller, Marty Stuart, & Taj Mahal on August 8th.

Nice! I'm slightly iffy on this show since Brian is not given top billing... I assume that means a shorter set, which is unfortunate. But that is a way cool lineup.



Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: UEF on February 17, 2020, 10:34:54 AM

Maybe Brian and co. will be getting a lot of the gigs that Mike and Bruce used to do. That is, if the fallout from the safari gig is as big as it appears to be.

It won't have even registered.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on February 20, 2020, 06:51:41 AM
Updated some additional tour dates and setlists near the top of the thread.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Debbie KL on February 20, 2020, 05:27:29 PM

Maybe Brian and co. will be getting a lot of the gigs that Mike and Bruce used to do. That is, if the fallout from the safari gig is as big as it appears to be.

It won't have even registered.

You're right. This bombardment of anti-democratic (democracy, folks, not a party) crap will make this invisible to all but a few.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Wata on February 27, 2020, 07:32:49 PM
Two Japan gigs are confirmed today:

May 6th, 2020: Tokyo Garden Theater, Tokyo, Japan
May 7th, 2020: ZEPP Namba, Osaka, Japan

Both are advertised to be "Brian Wilson Celebrates Pet Sounds and Greatest Hits with special guests Al Jardine & Blondie Chaplin", so no more "final performances".

www.creativeman.co.jp/artist/2020/05brianwilson/ (http://www.creativeman.co.jp/artist/2020/05brianwilson/)

I'm going to get myself a ticket and I'm excited for seeing Brian (and Al & Blondie) on stage for the first time, but I'm not sure if I really want them to come to Japan, where a coronavirus epidemic is going on, right now. Also, I worry about it being cancelled/postponed because of that.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: juggler on February 27, 2020, 10:35:05 PM
Green Day just postponed its Asia tour.  Wonder if Brian and Al will follow suit.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on February 28, 2020, 06:59:37 AM
Added the two Japan dates to the schedule near the top of the thread. Obviously we'll see if anything changes on those dates.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 28, 2020, 05:56:30 PM
What terrible timing...the Beach Boys universe will forever leave me scratching my head...


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: HeyJude on March 02, 2020, 06:24:23 AM
Added the May-June European tour dates to the schedule near the top of the thread. I'll re-format them a bit later to match the rest of the schedule layout.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on March 02, 2020, 02:58:16 PM
Quote
Friday May 29th Heartland Festival, Kvaerndrup UK

That's actually Kvaerndrup, DK (Denmark).


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Rocker on March 04, 2020, 02:23:59 AM
Another german date was just announced.
 
Philharmonie, Munich June 21st


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: UEF on March 04, 2020, 07:38:37 AM
Brian and BBs playing some locations within weeks of each other, in some cases the same country on the same day

Almost as if...


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: saborlord123 on March 09, 2020, 02:47:10 PM
Hope Brian comes to my venue again. I saw him for the first time last year and loved it!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: All Summer Long on March 10, 2020, 01:31:06 PM
I hate to bring back up the “Brian shouldn’t be on tour” thing and I’m not saying Brian should/shouldn’t be on tour. I know that some people said Al was talk-singing his way from the PS set. What I am asking is if Al is getting bored of the tour routine and/or is losing some of his range (“Help Me Rhonda” and “Sloop John B” in particular).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y3LpxywvvQ


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: jeffh on March 16, 2020, 11:19:59 AM
He sounded fine to me.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: All Summer Long on March 17, 2020, 09:43:32 AM
He sounded fine to me.

Thanks jeffh, good to know I’m probably hearing things  ;) Well actually it’s not good for me, but it’s good for Al.  :lol


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: UEF on March 18, 2020, 04:14:53 AM
Lots of gigs and festivals in June being cancelled due to Coronavirus


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on March 18, 2020, 05:57:58 AM
Brian’s FB page just posted that he will be featured today at 1500 (3pm) Eastern time singing and playing piano from his home.
Details are at rollingstone.com
It’s part of a series called “In My Room”, performances by legacy and newer artists


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: UEF on March 18, 2020, 06:06:18 AM
Preview https://www.instagram.com/p/B94AsKgp6rb/?igshid=3yu09subz1vm

19:00 UK


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 18, 2020, 09:01:49 AM
Sounds great. Seeing Corbett, Kimmell etc doing shows from home is thinking outside of the box.

From Variety:As the concert industry surreally moves online in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, Rolling Stone is the latest to launch a series of live-from-home online music series with “In My Room” — and fittingly, the series will launch today at 3 p.m. ET/ 12 p.m. PT with the author of that ode to solitude, Beach Boys cofounder and main songwriter Brian Wilson.

You can watch the series here.

The series joins others with similar titles like “At Home Together” and “Shut in and Sing,” and artists like Willie Nelson, John Legend, Death Cab for Cutie’s Ben Gibbard and others (head here for a list of online concerts to watch).

“With the coronavirus crisis rapidly unfolding, artists and venues around the globe are coming up with innovative ways to keep the lights on and the music playing — without leaving the house, the announcement reads

“With this in mind, today at 3 p.m. EST, Rolling Stone will launch a new IGTV series titled “In My Room.” The first episode kicks off with Brian Wilson singing his classic songs from his California home. It will be an intimate, unforgettable experience that you won’t want to miss.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 18, 2020, 11:38:04 AM
He sounded really good in that brief clip


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 18, 2020, 11:56:17 AM
I don't see a link!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Bud Shaver on March 18, 2020, 12:11:25 PM
Two songs.

He sounds good, all things considered!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 18, 2020, 12:20:33 PM
No link I can see or get to work. Is it just me or is the RS site the most clunky page on the web? iPad user speaking.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 18, 2020, 12:27:56 PM
Finally saw it...he sounded great! I did a capture and will upload it to Youtube later


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on March 28, 2020, 12:20:40 PM
I am happy that Brian and company had their short performance in New Orleans during the first weekend of the Mardi Gras parades , when it was mostly locals . It was on the second weekend right before Mardi Gras that people from all over the world flooded in, creating the perfect storm for what my city is going through now.
Be safe, everyone. Wash your hands.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Emdeeh on March 28, 2020, 01:46:19 PM
Hope you're doing OK, NOLA BB Fan!


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on March 29, 2020, 08:13:31 AM
Thanks. So far no one in my family has gotten sick. Several are in the medical profession, and one sister has to take an hour long train twice a week to work (she works from home the other days). However none of them live anywhere near here and the situation isn’t as bad in their areas (yet).
All the best to all as we deal with this mess.


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: Wata on April 01, 2020, 02:40:11 AM
"Announcement of Brian Wilson show in Japan Cancellation
In light of the current situation regarding the spread of COVID-19, we regret to announce that Brian Wilsons's Japan concert scheduled in May will be cancelled at this time. We are in discussions for shows at a later date with the artist, and new rescheduled dates will be announced on Creativeman Production's site as soon as they are confirmed.

For those who have payed for their tickets already, please contact the place of purchase for your refund.

For more information about the refund, please visit here (https://www.creativeman.co.jp/artist/refund/2020/brian/index_en.html (https://www.creativeman.co.jp/artist/refund/2020/brian/index_en.html))

We deeply apologize to all parties concerned, especially fans who had been looking forward to the artist’s show.

CREATIVEMAN PRODUCTIONS"


https://www.creativeman.co.jp/artist/2020/05brianwilson/ (https://www.creativeman.co.jp/artist/2020/05brianwilson/)


Title: Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on April 04, 2020, 04:40:01 AM
Clever decision. Everything must be cancelled to be safe.