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Title: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Doobidoo on July 21, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
We all have some Pet Peeves! And even though the beach boys has their moments (which is quite alot), there must be some times when you react over some small (but significant) things in their songs.

I only had one in mind making this thread:
IMO - The drum on "Let's Go Away for Awhile" goes twice as fast as it should be between 0:16-0:27 and 0:45-0:58.

Do you have any?


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: B.E. on July 21, 2019, 12:49:39 PM
I love "A Casual Look" but damn does Mike's poorly double-tracked lead vocal come roaring in too loudly. You can't tell me that he wouldn't have sounded better single-tracked and tucked into the mix! I'd love to remix this song. His double-tracking sounds better when he's harmonizing with Al on "Oh darling can't you see that I'm going overseas..." but that's to be expected. He's singing softer and in a lower register. So, this is my pet peeve: Why the insistence on double-tracking the majority of Mike's leads as his voice began to decline in the 70s? The more upbeat the vocal, and the higher in his vocal range, the more the double-tracking seems to exasperate Mike's nasally tone. Think - "in Captain Cook fashion, I can't deny it, I want to spend my winters on the Kona coast in Hawaii". When I hear Mike sounding like that, I think the double-tracking is doing far more harm than good. He also has some sloppy double-tracked vocals in the 60s which I think probably could have sounded better single-tracked. Though, I get that this is largely subjective. One more example..."Rock And Roll Music". While it's kind of a rigid performance, I think Mike sounds good on the verses (single-tracked), but not so much on the choruses (double-tracked). The single mix helps by centering the backing vocals and therefore not exposing Mike so much on the choruses. IMO.

Additionally, I hate the "false start" bass in the intro of "Kona Coast".


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Willy Wilson on July 21, 2019, 02:24:48 PM
I'll get flamed but I hate the theremin on I Just Wasn't Made For These Times. Ruins the song for me.

And the cringeworthy lyric 'When I came up to stay with my gran' on Girl Don't Tell Me. Ugh.

But I adore Sumahama, so wtf do I know...  :quote


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 21, 2019, 03:34:37 PM
 When the drums first kick in on "the little girl I once knew", there's a timing issue where the very first drum hit is slightly late and the second he comes in slightly early to compensate.

 Always bugs me and could've certainly been remedied with just one more take!


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: rab2591 on July 21, 2019, 04:37:41 PM
When the drums first kick in on "the little girl I once knew", there's a timing issue where the very first drum hit is slightly late and the second he comes in slightly early to compensate.

 Always bugs me and could've certainly been remedied with just one more take!

A big pet peeve of mind relates to that song as well - during the intro (and throughout the song) Carol's bass falls out on the third note (I think it's just too deep of a sound), and it just falls with a thud compared to the other notes. As someone with a decent subwoofer it kinda just kills the intro for me.

I forget how many takes that song had, but I think it was quite a few - so Brian probably got sick of trying to make it absolutely perfect.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: bossaroo on July 21, 2019, 06:39:59 PM
I always thought the fade out was too soon on the Help Me Rhonda single and Good Vibrations.

and as much as I love Carl, it sometimes bothers me that Brian let him sing the lead on some of his best and most personal songs. I simply prefer Brian's voice. Breakaway, This Whole World, and Our Sweet Love are a few examples.


some of Mike's vocals often get on my nerves. That's Not Me, Rock'n'Roll Music, and Airplane immediately come to mind. even so, That's Not Me is easily one of my top 10 BB songs.





Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: doc smiley on July 21, 2019, 07:55:34 PM
Mike Love's vocal on Getcha Back... in fact on spot 45 seconds in "Can I ever get you back"  oh man, couldn't they have done another take of that... sounds so off and jarring :-[


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: leoleoleoleo on July 22, 2019, 04:10:19 AM

The drum on "Let's Go Away for Awhile" goes twice as fast as it should be between 0:16-0:27 and 0:45-0:58

Do you have any?

Does it? It doesn't change from what it was doing before...


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Doobidoo on July 22, 2019, 04:38:47 AM

The drum on "Let's Go Away for Awhile" goes twice as fast as it should be between 0:16-0:27 and 0:45-0:58

Do you have any?

Does it? It doesn't change from what it was doing before...

You're completely right about that... I must change that into "in my opinion"


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Jay on July 22, 2019, 05:23:06 AM
Mike Love's vocal on Getcha Back... in fact on spot 45 seconds in "Can I ever get you back"  oh man, couldn't they have done another take of that... sounds so off and jarring :-[
The part that really gets me is when he sings "I'm getting tired..." . That "tired" is so off key that it grates on my ears every time.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 22, 2019, 09:49:45 AM


When Mike Love bleats his way through a song. Just awful.  :thud


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: B.E. on July 22, 2019, 10:08:53 AM


When Mike Love bleats his way through a song. Just awful.  :thud

No kidding?


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: guitarfool2002 on July 22, 2019, 10:57:45 AM

The drum on "Let's Go Away for Awhile" goes twice as fast as it should be between 0:16-0:27 and 0:45-0:58

Do you have any?

Does it? It doesn't change from what it was doing before...

You're completely right about that... I must change that into "in my opinion"

That drum is hitting right on the beat,  playing 8th notes locked in time with the other instruments as 1-2-3-4-AND-ONE...I honestly have no idea what you're hearing as too fast unless you thought quarter notes would have been better.  :)


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 22, 2019, 12:03:48 PM
Mike Love's vocal on Getcha Back... in fact on spot 45 seconds in "Can I ever get you back"  oh man, couldn't they have done another take of that... sounds so off and jarring :-[
The part that really gets me is when he sings "I'm getting tired..." . That "tired" is so off key that it grates on my ears every time.

Similar to the frustratingly off-key (at least to my ears) singing on the lyric "landlocked town" on Still Surfin' at 0:08:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRuhY1r5GpQ


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: NateRuvin on July 22, 2019, 03:16:15 PM
The dissonant piano in the intro of Lana, as well as the lead vocal. This song and She's Got Rhythm are the only songs where I find Brian's falsetto overwhelming or shrill.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Emdeeh on July 22, 2019, 04:59:53 PM
It's not really a peeve, but every once in a while I become aware of the whole group taking a breath in the middle of a song. Usually I can tune that out mentally, but once in a while it gets noticeable. They got better at breath control along the way.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: tpesky on July 22, 2019, 05:22:38 PM
The production and tempos of some singles in the 70s. I think they might have done better on the charts had they used the live arrangements on stuff like Marcella Mess of Help and SOS.
 
Also agree the Getcha Back lead is very sloppy. That may be one of the worse Mike leads on any hit


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on July 22, 2019, 08:06:02 PM
Sllllow Adult Child song SIDOI. What dullfest. ::)


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Rebel on July 22, 2019, 08:06:52 PM
The brutally fast fade on Your Summer Dream, a personal favorite song of mine. On they surpassed masters outtakes it goes on longer. I even enjoy the instrumental jamming the band does  I wish that went longer. I cant get enough of that song and then it ends.

The horrendous backing vocals on wontcha come out tonight. They sound like crows!

Mikes off key vocals on Santa Claus is coming to town. Right when he enters. I think he had a cold or something but sheesh. Brian just do it or give it away!

Jacks singing on a day in the life of a tree. I DO love the song. But I heard Dennis almost took the vocal and Id kill for that.
Especially because I love his vocals during that period and Van Dyke is on there. Can you imagine Dennis and Van dyke around a mic at this time in their career? Can there BE more opposite people in a room together?


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: rab2591 on July 23, 2019, 03:44:03 AM
Jacks singing on a day in the life of a tree. I DO love the song. But I heard Dennis almost took the vocal and Id kill for that.
Especially because I love his vocals during that period and Van Dyke is on there. Can you imagine Dennis and Van dyke around a mic at this time in their career? Can there BE more opposite people in a room together?

I think at one point I didn't like Jack's lead either. But I got more used to it after hearing that it was an artistic decision to have this shaky voice singing from the perspective of a very old tree....from that perspective it makes perfect sense. Then at the end of the song you hear the ultimate juxtaposition of that shaky voice with the insanely beautiful harmonies from Carl and Al.vI read that Brian cried in the booth when he heard that coda.

Also I completely agree about Woncha Come Out Tonight :lol


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Malc on July 23, 2019, 08:12:18 AM
WHY didn't they do a retake of Dennis's spoken line on Auld Lang Syne ??? I appreciate they were trying to catch the spontainalty spontanuous innocence of it all but.. boy, it grates 50+ years later...


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 23, 2019, 09:53:17 AM

The horrendous backing vocals on wontcha come out tonight. They sound like crows!


I've always thought they sounded like frogs in that song! It's hard to not picture some late '70s Muppet characters voicing those background vocals. It's almost like it was an intentional parody of The BBs, by The BBs themselves. I've never heard the band's voices sound quite like that, before or since.

REALLY weird. Up there with the mystery of why Brian's voice sounds the way it does on Match Point of Our Love.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Malc on July 23, 2019, 01:05:40 PM
Oh.... and as much as I like Spring Vacation on TWGMTR, what's with that section at 2:10 when everyone appears to forget the lyrics ?!!!


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 23, 2019, 02:12:16 PM
Oh.... and as much as I like Spring Vacation on TWGMTR, what's with that section at 2:10 when everyone appears to forget the lyrics ?!!!

I've always felt the vocals in that section were totally unfinished and way unacceptably sloppy, probably to meet a deadline of releasing the album. It's like Joe Thomas had some partial takes and just chopped up some incomplete autotuned vocal waveform chunks to make try and make it sound finished. Totally bugs me too.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: rab2591 on July 23, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Oh.... and as much as I like Spring Vacation on TWGMTR, what's with that section at 2:10 when everyone appears to forget the lyrics ?!!!

I've always felt the vocals in that section were totally unfinished and way unacceptably sloppy, probably to meet a deadline of releasing the album. It's like Joe Thomas had some partial takes and just chopped up some incomplete autotuned vocal waveform chunks to make try and make it sound finished. Totally bugs me too.

Odd thing is, wasn't there a single version that came out with an intact (or more complete) middle-eight? I swear there's a version floating around that doesn't have this problem. Or maybe the single version was even worse than the album version :shrug


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Emdeeh on July 23, 2019, 05:23:37 PM
This one might be more than a small thing -- the orchestra on the Christmas album. Yuck!

(Your mileage may vary and probably will.)


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 23, 2019, 05:34:12 PM
Oh.... and as much as I like Spring Vacation on TWGMTR, what's with that section at 2:10 when everyone appears to forget the lyrics ?!!!

I've always felt the vocals in that section were totally unfinished and way unacceptably sloppy, probably to meet a deadline of releasing the album. It's like Joe Thomas had some partial takes and just chopped up some incomplete autotuned vocal waveform chunks to make try and make it sound finished. Totally bugs me too.

Odd thing is, wasn't there a single version that came out with an intact (or more complete) middle-eight? I swear there's a version floating around that doesn't have this problem. Or maybe the single version was even worse than the album version :shrug

Single version of Spring Vacay? Aren't you thinking of the alternate single version of Isn't It Time?
Or is there a SV version I'm unaware of?


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: B.E. on July 23, 2019, 05:43:13 PM
Mikes off key vocals on Santa Claus is coming to town. Right when he enters. I think he had a cold or something but sheesh. Brian just do it or give it away!

In case you haven't heard it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhPwQYNYwhc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhPwQYNYwhc)


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Matt H on July 23, 2019, 05:46:52 PM
Oh.... and as much as I like Spring Vacation on TWGMTR, what's with that section at 2:10 when everyone appears to forget the lyrics ?!!!

I've always felt the vocals in that section were totally unfinished and way unacceptably sloppy, probably to meet a deadline of releasing the album. It's like Joe Thomas had some partial takes and just chopped up some incomplete autotuned vocal waveform chunks to make try and make it sound finished. Totally bugs me too.

It does sound bad there, almost like someone finally decided that it wasn't working and pulled the faders down on all the vocals, it is like they trail off there.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 23, 2019, 08:01:32 PM
Mikes off key vocals on Santa Claus is coming to town. Right when he enters. I think he had a cold or something but sheesh. Brian just do it or give it away!

In case you haven't heard it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhPwQYNYwhc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhPwQYNYwhc)

No, I hadn't heard this until now. Such a shame they went with the Mike Love infested take. I can imagine him raising all kinds of hell about it.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Shane on July 25, 2019, 12:17:41 PM
The stereo mix of Fun, Fun, Fun.  You can't even hear the backing track.  That thing needs to be buried. 


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: dellydel on July 26, 2019, 12:02:01 PM
Pretty much the entirety of Pacific Ocean Blue is about four things: rock n' roll, girls, Jesus, and nature, sometimes all in the same song, which, to me, is a deadly combination of rock and roll cliches.  (which is not a deal breaker, as I think this album is much about about the soundscape than the lyrics.  But still.)

Hats off to the drummer's little lady,

Dellydel  ;D


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Sound of Free on July 26, 2019, 08:40:24 PM
The Beach Boys have some great lyrics and some bad lyrics, but the one that REALLY bugs me is "Christmas comes this time each year." Yeah, no sh*t, Sherlock. I love "Little Saint Nick," but that part could have easily had a lyric to fit that melody line, like "Christmas is my favorite time" or "Christmas time is gettin' close" or "I'm so glad it's Christmas time" or "How I love this time of year" or something that takes four seconds to write, like it just did for me.

And so this isn't taken as a just "bash Mike" post, "I don't know where but she sends me there" may be my favorite Beach Boys lyric, and, in a differing opinion from another person in this post, I really like his vocal on "That's Not Me."



Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: UEF on July 27, 2019, 11:39:50 AM
I think God Only Knows ends badly. That repeating coda thing seems to come in too soon and as a bit of a cop-out from finishing the song in a better way



Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 27, 2019, 12:44:01 PM
I've said this before and gotten flack for it, but the "guitar solo" on Don't Worry Baby chord-chord chord-chord chord-chord (repeat)

The genius that is Brian Wilson had nothing else to say there? It's such a lackluster section of such a firecracker of a record.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 27, 2019, 09:22:29 PM
I've said this before and gotten flack for it, but the "guitar solo" on Don't Worry Baby chord-chord chord-chord chord-chord (repeat)

The genius that is Brian Wilson had nothing else to say there? It's such a lackluster section of such a firecracker of a record.

That part is sooo perfect and makes my heart melt every single time I hear it.

Oddly enough I think that part is conceptually pretty similar to the bridge in Johnny Carson - but that bridge feels boring and unfinished by comparison. Which i think it kinda was...


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Cabinessenceking on July 29, 2019, 02:32:41 PM
rock n' roll, girls, Jesus, and nature, sometimes all in the same song, which, to me, is a deadly combination of rock and roll cliches.  

Isn't this also a pretty accurate summary of Dennis Wilson's life?  ;D


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Cabinessenceking on July 29, 2019, 02:39:56 PM
I think God Only Knows ends badly. That repeating coda thing seems to come in too soon and as a bit of a cop-out from finishing the song in a better way



This must be the most controversial one here I think! Personally I consider that record perfection, but that's just these layman's ears  :)


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: B.E. on July 29, 2019, 02:52:18 PM
I think God Only Knows ends badly. That repeating coda thing seems to come in too soon and as a bit of a cop-out from finishing the song in a better way

This must be the most controversial one here I think! Personally I consider that record perfection, but that's just these layman's ears  :)

I don't think GOK ends badly, but I have noticed how soon the coda comes in. It represents over 30% of the song.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: feelintheflows on July 29, 2019, 05:48:05 PM
On the fade out on the song Surfs Up. Cuts off a couple seconds too soon.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: Love Thang on July 31, 2019, 05:46:57 PM
Mike Love.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 31, 2019, 06:50:55 PM
Mike Love.

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Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: HeyJude on August 01, 2019, 06:46:53 AM
On the fade out on the song Surfs Up. Cuts off a couple seconds too soon.

I'd have to listen to all the masterings of the song to hear if this is a problem across all versions.

What I do know is that the version of the song on the 2013 "Made in California" set *does* cut off a couple seconds too soon, because there was a mastering/manufacturing error with that disc in the set where the last two seconds or so of each track were cut off and then appended to the front of the next song. So each song cuts off a couple seconds early, and then each song has two seconds of near-silence at the beginning. Corrected discs were soon offered.


Title: Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
Post by: HeyJude on August 01, 2019, 06:53:18 AM
Oh.... and as much as I like Spring Vacation on TWGMTR, what's with that section at 2:10 when everyone appears to forget the lyrics ?!!!

I've always felt the vocals in that section were totally unfinished and way unacceptably sloppy, probably to meet a deadline of releasing the album. It's like Joe Thomas had some partial takes and just chopped up some incomplete autotuned vocal waveform chunks to make try and make it sound finished. Totally bugs me too.

That part of the song is indeed truly peculiar. Most online sources for lyrics literally give up trying to figure out the rest of the words, simply showing the "every night's a special occasion" and nothing more.

I recall someone back in 2012 somehow finagling some additional lyrics (I can't remember if they were semi-guessing or talked to someone who worked on the album); I think the second line was supposed to be something like "another dance won't take much persuasion."

But yeah, this bit in the song come across like they accidentally issued like an "underdub" version of the song before some new vocal punch-ins were added or something.

While "Spring Vacation" otherwise sounds pretty slick and polished, I do wonder if this was one of the songs that required extra patchworking and glue and scotch tape and some sonic smoke and mirrors to make work, as the finished product is drenched in autotune in many spots, and the small bit of studio footage of Brian and Mike attempting some vocals on the song that was released prior to the album came out sounds *very rough* (and I recall had slightly different lyrics, something like "we *like* to get around, get up and hit up *every* hot spot in town).