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Title: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: UEF on June 12, 2019, 02:41:20 AM
Apologies for the morbid curiosity, but this seems to be an era I can't find much evidence of. Wikipedia says that Carl was playing his final gigs seated and using an oxygen tank(?) however I can't see any evidence of him even being ill in any way. Is there photo/video of this?

Hopefully I'm not asking anything untoward.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Rocker on June 12, 2019, 11:17:33 AM
Try this thread for a start:  http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,4500.0.html


I haven't looked through it, maybe some pictures posted there are gone now.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: HeyJude on June 12, 2019, 12:13:05 PM
Apologies for the morbid curiosity, but this seems to be an era I can't find much evidence of. Wikipedia says that Carl was playing his final gigs seated and using an oxygen tank(?) however I can't see any evidence of him even being ill in any way. Is there photo/video of this?

Hopefully I'm not asking anything untoward.

There isn’t a ton of currently circulating audio or video from the 1997 tour while Carl was still there. There are a few audio audience recordings. A few clips from those recordings are floating around YouTube. Here’s “God Only Knows”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMMiyaPeUA4&list=RDvMMiyaPeUA4&start_radio=1

The only video I’ve seen is a quick TV news report with a bit of “b-roll” type footage, and I can’t find that on YouTube, so I’m not sure if it’s still up.  


There are a small group of photos of Carl on this tour as well. At least one, not published online, is the Rusten/Stebbins “Beach Boys In Concert” book.

There are a few others:

(http://www.rockinhouston.com//display/images/026954_00040_n_12abg5nbre0040a.jpg)

(http://www.rockinhouston.com/display/images/026958_00054_n_12abg5nbre0054a.jpg)

(http://www.rockinhouston.com/display/images/026950_00035_n_12abg5nbre0035a.jpg)

(http://www.rockinhouston.com/display/images/026951_00049_n_12abg5nbre0049_ba.jpg)

(http://www.timbullard.com/carlwilson.jpg)

(http://s1.directupload.net/images/120928/ko867ay8.jpg)

I don’t believe any photos or video of Carl actually sitting down or using oxygen have surfaced. (Though in a couple of those pics above you can see the chair behind Carl).

I’ve long felt this sense that there is more audio/video of the 1997 tour out there, and people are holding on to it either because it’s rare/sought-after, and/or because they feel Carl’s in rough shape. I recall one specific "rumor" years ago that someone had a full 1997 show on video (audience-shot), but that has seemingly never surfaced.

I have to say, knowing what people go through with the treatments that Carl was undergoing, he looks pretty okay in most of the pics I’ve seen, and he has sounded good in every audio clip I’ve heard.

There was one pic of Carl post-touring, either late 1997 or early 1998, published one time in ESQ. Someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. It's not online anywhere, and a big hubbub was made years ago when someone offered to scan it, based on how they only got permission to publish the pic for that one-time use in that issue.

I'm not big on tightly clamping down on minimal use of old photos that have been published, nor of hoarding old unpublished photos. We're all going to end up dead and nobody will ever see the stuff, so what's the point? I'm speaking very broadly of course.

In any event, I'm trying to remember if anything beyond those '97 shows above (and the one additional shot in the aforementioned book) are out there from that tour. The first four shots above are from a June show in Texas, and this link has more shots from that show: http://rockinhouston.com/performers/beach-boys/83?groupBy=Years&page=2

There's some stuff from later in 1997 on audio/video after Carl was off the tour and David Marks joined, showing the Mike-Al-Bruce-Dave lineup.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Bhw on June 14, 2019, 04:49:13 AM
Here is Carl, seated for the whole show, from Syracuse...

(https://i.ibb.co/F596P67/carl.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Bhw on June 14, 2019, 05:35:29 AM
Here's Carl from Syracuse. He was seated the entire show

(https://i.ibb.co/F596P67/carl.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Jay on June 14, 2019, 06:33:05 AM
I've never seen that one before!  :o Thanks for posting it. There is a picture in the "In Concert" book, but it's quite sad to see. I had heard it was hard to look at, but when I saw it I was actually really shocked. Carl didn't look like Carl at all.  :(  Many years ago, somebody on this board mentioned seeing a video of the group from this period, and Carl was sitting down. I'm not sure I'd want to see it. It is a little to much of a coincidence that we have audience videos of the group from every year in the 1990's, except for 1997 with Carl.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: HeyJude on June 14, 2019, 08:59:30 AM
Here's Carl from Syracuse. He was seated the entire show

(https://i.ibb.co/F596P67/carl.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)


If that's confirmed as Syracuse, then that would be August 21, 1997, which would be only eight days before his final show on August 29th in Atlantic City.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Jay on June 14, 2019, 09:22:23 AM
In Mike's book he says that at the last show he played, he was wheeled out onstage in a wheelchair. I'm not sure if I believe that.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: HeyJude on June 14, 2019, 09:38:32 AM
In Mike's book he says that at the last show he played, he was wheeled out onstage in a wheelchair. I'm not sure if I believe that.

I don't know about those specifics, but evidence would indicate Mike was taking issue/concern with Carl's condition and/or appearance out on tour by that time. Check this post out:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18436.msg481404.html#msg481404


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: HeyJude on June 14, 2019, 09:45:29 AM
I've never seen that one before!  :o Thanks for posting it. There is a picture in the "In Concert" book, but it's quite sad to see. I had heard it was hard to look at, but when I saw it I was actually really shocked. Carl didn't look like Carl at all.  :(  Many years ago, somebody on this board mentioned seeing a video of the group from this period, and Carl was sitting down. I'm not sure I'd want to see it. It is a little to much of a coincidence that we have audience videos of the group from every year in the 1990's, except for 1997 with Carl.

As has been discussed in the past, and as some folks who are familiar with issues like what Carl went through, it's a bit ironic that, while I think Carl generally doesn't look too bad in the extant photos from that tour all things considered, the main area where he does look different than normal is the water retention/bloating (or pick whatever similar word) that often comes from taking various steroid-related medications while undergoing cancer treatments. So it's not the disease nor even the primary chemo/radiation treatments that led to the main issue that led to him looking different in 1997. He was apparently also wearing a wig at some point, which is of course due to hair loss from treatments.

But really, I've known people undergoing chemo and radiation, and I have to say that considering everything Carl was going through, he generally looks pretty okay in the photos and footage I've seen, keeping in mind his condition, the treatments, the off-shoot medical issues that come from all of that, and that he was still traveling around and doing full shows, playing guitar and singing. Even if he was sitting for some/most/all of some of the shows, and even if he was traveling by bus instead of airplane on that tour, that's still rigorous activity for someone battling all of that.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Lonely Summer on June 24, 2019, 12:10:47 PM
Apologies for the morbid curiosity, but this seems to be an era I can't find much evidence of. Wikipedia says that Carl was playing his final gigs seated and using an oxygen tank(?) however I can't see any evidence of him even being ill in any way. Is there photo/video of this?

Hopefully I'm not asking anything untoward.

There isn’t a ton of currently circulating audio or video from the 1997 tour while Carl was still there. There are a few audio audience recordings. A few clips from those recordings are floating around YouTube. Here’s “God Only Knows”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMMiyaPeUA4&list=RDvMMiyaPeUA4&start_radio=1

The only video I’ve seen is a quick TV news report with a bit of “b-roll” type footage, and I can’t find that on YouTube, so I’m not sure if it’s still up.  


There are a small group of photos of Carl on this tour as well. At least one, not published online, is the Rusten/Stebbins “Beach Boys In Concert” book.

There are a few others:

(http://www.rockinhouston.com//display/images/026954_00040_n_12abg5nbre0040a.jpg)

(http://www.rockinhouston.com/display/images/026958_00054_n_12abg5nbre0054a.jpg)

(http://www.rockinhouston.com/display/images/026950_00035_n_12abg5nbre0035a.jpg)

(http://www.rockinhouston.com/display/images/026951_00049_n_12abg5nbre0049_ba.jpg)

(http://www.timbullard.com/carlwilson.jpg)

(http://s1.directupload.net/images/120928/ko867ay8.jpg)

I don’t believe any photos or video of Carl actually sitting down or using oxygen have surfaced. (Though in a couple of those pics above you can see the chair behind Carl).

I’ve long felt this sense that there is more audio/video of the 1997 tour out there, and people are holding on to it either because it’s rare/sought-after, and/or because they feel Carl’s in rough shape. I recall one specific "rumor" years ago that someone had a full 1997 show on video (audience-shot), but that has seemingly never surfaced.

I have to say, knowing what people go through with the treatments that Carl was undergoing, he looks pretty okay in most of the pics I’ve seen, and he has sounded good in every audio clip I’ve heard.

There was one pic of Carl post-touring, either late 1997 or early 1998, published one time in ESQ. Someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. It's not online anywhere, and a big hubbub was made years ago when someone offered to scan it, based on how they only got permission to publish the pic for that one-time use in that issue.

I'm not big on tightly clamping down on minimal use of old photos that have been published, nor of hoarding old unpublished photos. We're all going to end up dead and nobody will ever see the stuff, so what's the point? I'm speaking very broadly of course.

In any event, I'm trying to remember if anything beyond those '97 shows above (and the one additional shot in the aforementioned book) are out there from that tour. The first four shots above are from a June show in Texas, and this link has more shots from that show: http://rockinhouston.com/performers/beach-boys/83?groupBy=Years&page=2

There's some stuff from later in 1997 on audio/video after Carl was off the tour and David Marks joined, showing the Mike-Al-Bruce-Dave lineup.

Thank you for these! I had only seen the bottom two before.
The one concert clip I've heard from this tour, Carl is singing God Only Knows, and he sounds as beautiful as ever.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Ian on November 04, 2019, 01:23:11 PM
In my book with Jon-the beach boys in concert there is a very late photo of Carl in the brief chapter on 1997


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: UEF on November 04, 2019, 01:27:31 PM
In my book with Jon-the beach boys in concert there is a very late photo of Carl in the brief chapter on 1997

Can you post it please?


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: DennysDrums83 on November 08, 2019, 05:18:03 PM
In my book with Jon-the beach boys in concert there is a very late photo of Carl in the brief chapter on 1997

I think that photo was from August 19, 1997 at the Rosemont Horizon.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Jay on November 09, 2019, 12:32:23 AM
There is a picture from 1997 that I've seen of Carl and Jerry Schilling, with Carl wearing a baseball hat. Does anybody know when it was taken? Was it from after he had to quit touring? Do any pictures exist of him from that period?


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: DennysDrums83 on November 12, 2019, 03:35:18 PM


There was one pic of Carl post-touring, either late 1997 or early 1998, published one time in ESQ. Someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. It's not online anywhere, and a big hubbub was made years ago when someone offered to scan it, based on how they only got permission to publish the pic for that one-time use in that issue.



Are you referring to the photo of Carl and Jerry Schilling with Carl wearing a Cubs hat?


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 12, 2019, 06:58:10 PM


There was one pic of Carl post-touring, either late 1997 or early 1998, published one time in ESQ. Someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. It's not online anywhere, and a big hubbub was made years ago when someone offered to scan it, based on how they only got permission to publish the pic for that one-time use in that issue.



Are you referring to the photo of Carl and Jerry Schilling with Carl wearing a Cubs hat?
i had seen that photo, but did not know it was from that late in Carl's life.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: DennysDrums83 on November 13, 2019, 05:09:01 AM


There was one pic of Carl post-touring, either late 1997 or early 1998, published one time in ESQ. Someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. It's not online anywhere, and a big hubbub was made years ago when someone offered to scan it, based on how they only got permission to publish the pic for that one-time use in that issue.



Are you referring to the photo of Carl and Jerry Schilling with Carl wearing a Cubs hat?
i had seen that photo, but did not know it was from that late in Carl's life.

It was in ESQ and dated 1997.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Jay on November 13, 2019, 10:32:03 AM


There was one pic of Carl post-touring, either late 1997 or early 1998, published one time in ESQ. Someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. It's not online anywhere, and a big hubbub was made years ago when someone offered to scan it, based on how they only got permission to publish the pic for that one-time use in that issue.



Are you referring to the photo of Carl and Jerry Schilling with Carl wearing a Cubs hat?
Yes.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: UEF on November 14, 2019, 06:10:16 AM
This is the 1997 book photo mentioned a few times in the thread

(https://i.imgur.com/iSKOQkZ.jpg)

From 'The Beach Boys in Concert'


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: DennysDrums83 on November 14, 2019, 12:23:31 PM
I notice that Carl is standing so it's likely he is singing "God Only Knows".  The first time I ever saw this picture, I didn't believe it was Carl.  I believe his change in appearance was due to the steroids he was taking at the time.  I know Carl found out he was sick in late 1996 or early 1997.  Does anyone know when it was announced publicly?

This is the 1997 book photo mentioned a few times in the thread

(https://i.imgur.com/iSKOQkZ.jpg)

From 'The Beach Boys in Concert'


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 14, 2019, 12:40:52 PM
I notice that Carl is standing so it's likely he is singing "God Only Knows".  The first time I ever saw this picture, I didn't believe it was Carl.  I believe his change in appearance was due to the steroids he was taking at the time.  I know Carl found out he was sick in late 1996 or early 1997.  Does anyone know when it was announced publicly?

This is the 1997 book photo mentioned a few times in the thread

(https://i.imgur.com/iSKOQkZ.jpg)

From 'The Beach Boys in Concert'
IIRC, it was announced March 1997.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Jay on November 14, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
The first time I saw that picture in the In Concert book it felt like I got kicked in the stomach. I had read that the picture was sad, but it actually took my breath away.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: HeyJude on November 14, 2019, 01:29:39 PM
Yeah, that particular pic is one where Carl certainly looks in rougher shape. Comparatively, he looks surprisingly good in most of those other pics.

But as many have pointed out, his altered appearance almost surely has to do with bloating/water retention due to steroids given to people when undergoing cancer treatments. So, while the whole situation was obviously awful regardless, his rough shape in photos isn't actually due particularly directly to the cancer.

And many folks, even close to the end, can sometimes look surprisingly pretty good. I've heard the stories of Carl at Audree's funeral (which would have been December 1997 I believe) looking stunningly in pretty good shape and many people were stunned at his quick demise because he had looked so good less than two months earlier.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: HeyJude on November 14, 2019, 01:37:14 PM
Circling back to that late 1997 photo of Carl wearing the baseball cap with Jerry Schilling, as I mentioned in an older post, someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. What I remember is that on whatever forum was the active forum all those years ago, a few folks mentioned how shocking it was and how bad Carl looked, etc. When I finally saw the photo, I thought he looked okay. He's smiling (which is more than I can say for most of the extant 1997 pics).

Hope someone can dig that photo up and post it.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Jay on November 14, 2019, 02:10:00 PM
Circling back to that late 1997 photo of Carl wearing the baseball cap with Jerry Schilling, as I mentioned in an older post, someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. What I remember is that on whatever forum was the active forum all those years ago, a few folks mentioned how shocking it was and how bad Carl looked, etc. When I finally saw the photo, I thought he looked okay. He's smiling (which is more than I can say for most of the extant 1997 pics).

Hope someone can dig that photo up and post it.
Yeah, he looked quite good to me. He looked to be in good spirits. Years ago on this board, somebody posted a bunch of pictures of Carl from 1996-97, but many of the links are dead.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 14, 2019, 02:18:49 PM
Circling back to that late 1997 photo of Carl wearing the baseball cap with Jerry Schilling, as I mentioned in an older post, someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. What I remember is that on whatever forum was the active forum all those years ago, a few folks mentioned how shocking it was and how bad Carl looked, etc. When I finally saw the photo, I thought he looked okay. He's smiling (which is more than I can say for most of the extant 1997 pics).

Hope someone can dig that photo up and post it.
Yeah, he looked quite good to me. He looked to be in good spirits. Years ago on this board, somebody posted a bunch of pictures of Carl from 1996-97, but many of the links are dead.
I thought he looked good in the pic with Schilling.
Looking back, I guess the first time I remember him not looking so good was on Live with Regis, fall 1996. He looked heavier than normal; but of course he stayed in the background and let Mike and the others do all the talking.
Now that I think about it, even in the footage from the Stars and Stripes videos he seemed to have gained some weight; there was a time in the 80's where he was very slim. Hawaii tv special comes to mind.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: DennysDrums83 on November 14, 2019, 02:25:26 PM

And many folks, even close to the end, can sometimes look surprisingly pretty good. I've heard the stories of Carl at Audree's funeral (which would have been December 1997 I believe) looking stunningly in pretty good shape and many people were stunned at his quick demise because he had looked so good less than two months earlier.

This makes me think of my aunt who battled cancer.  Christmas 2015 she looked well.  You wouldn't know she was sick by looking at her.  Just over 3 months later, she was gone.

Circling back to that late 1997 photo of Carl wearing the baseball cap with Jerry Schilling, as I mentioned in an older post, someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. What I remember is that on whatever forum was the active forum all those years ago, a few folks mentioned how shocking it was and how bad Carl looked, etc. When I finally saw the photo, I thought he looked okay. He's smiling (which is more than I can say for most of the extant 1997 pics).

Hope someone can dig that photo up and post it.

I didn't think he looked bad at all in that picture.  He looked far better than he did in the picture above, which was taken 10 days before his last concert.  I really wish we had a date on the Schilling photo.  The caption in ESQ only said 1997.  So I don't know if it was before or after the above picture.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 14, 2019, 02:53:27 PM

And many folks, even close to the end, can sometimes look surprisingly pretty good. I've heard the stories of Carl at Audree's funeral (which would have been December 1997 I believe) looking stunningly in pretty good shape and many people were stunned at his quick demise because he had looked so good less than two months earlier.

This makes me think of my aunt who battled cancer.  Christmas 2015 she looked well.  You wouldn't know she was sick by looking at her.  Just over 3 months later, she was gone.

Circling back to that late 1997 photo of Carl wearing the baseball cap with Jerry Schilling, as I mentioned in an older post, someone sent it to me years ago but I can't find it anymore. What I remember is that on whatever forum was the active forum all those years ago, a few folks mentioned how shocking it was and how bad Carl looked, etc. When I finally saw the photo, I thought he looked okay. He's smiling (which is more than I can say for most of the extant 1997 pics).

Hope someone can dig that photo up and post it.

I didn't think he looked bad at all in that picture.  He looked far better than he did in the picture above, which was taken 10 days before his last concert.  I really wish we had a date on the Schilling photo.  The caption in ESQ only said 1997.  So I don't know if it was before or after the above picture.
It's just not right that he was taken from us so young. Sure, he had been a smoker for many years, and had dabbled in a few other things, but he had been clean for a long time. The best advice I can give people about smoking is don't get started! Sure seemed like everyone in the biz did it back then, though. The first concert I ever went to, 1975, the radio station guy came out at the start and said "no smoking during the show" and got booed. These days, they get a round of applause for that request!


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: HeyJude on November 15, 2019, 07:17:21 AM
I think in the 90s, prior to (presumably) any diagnosis, Carl did probably just also gain some weight. Not a big deal in and of itself. We obviously aren't privy to any other health details of Carl from prior to his diagnosis.

The guys have all waxed and waned in the appearance/weight department. Brian is obvious. But Al seemed to get a bit heavier in the later 70s into the early 80s. Mike perhaps just a bit as well. Then they all hit like around 1983-1985 and all slimmed down and (apart from Carl) went clean shaven. Look at a pic of Al in like 1983 after he shaved, then compare it to a pic from like 1978 or 1980. The later pic has him looking like 10-15 years younger.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: HeyJude on November 15, 2019, 07:24:25 AM

I didn't think he looked bad at all in that picture.  He looked far better than he did in the picture above, which was taken 10 days before his last concert.  I really wish we had a date on the Schilling photo.  The caption in ESQ only said 1997.  So I don't know if it was before or after the above picture.

I don't recall the potential date, but my impression based on far off memory is that someone framed it as likely the last extant photo of Carl, which I took to mean would be post-August 1997 (where the last concert photos come from). I also recall Jerry Schilling relating some stories of regularly visiting/being with Carl during his final days/weeks/months, so I assumed the picture came from after Carl got off the road (for what was hoped at the time to be a temporary hiatus).

Details of Carl's life in general, and certainly this time frame, are pretty sketchy. I absolutely respect his and his family's clear desire to not delve into a lot of details of his private life. But there are also fans and scholars that aren't looking for salacious or scandalous details in trying to know more about this (or any) time frame.

Little bits are revealed in the Billy Hinsche documentary on Carl, which is, not surprisingly, not particularly revelatory about Carl despite having several hours of reminiscences of various family members and colleagues. But a few tidbits are discussed there.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: UEF on November 15, 2019, 07:24:51 AM
Brian and Carl both seemed to enjoy their food over the years (Carl probably had to quit smoking which may not have helped weight wise). Though why Dennis seemed to spend his entire life ripped is a mystery.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: DennysDrums83 on November 15, 2019, 10:41:06 AM

I didn't think he looked bad at all in that picture.  He looked far better than he did in the picture above, which was taken 10 days before his last concert.  I really wish we had a date on the Schilling photo.  The caption in ESQ only said 1997.  So I don't know if it was before or after the above picture.

I don't recall the potential date, but my impression based on far off memory is that someone framed it as likely the last extant photo of Carl, which I took to mean would be post-August 1997 (where the last concert photos come from). I also recall Jerry Schilling relating some stories of regularly visiting/being with Carl during his final days/weeks/months, so I assumed the picture came from after Carl got off the road (for what was hoped at the time to be a temporary hiatus).

Details of Carl's life in general, and certainly this time frame, are pretty sketchy. I absolutely respect his and his family's clear desire to not delve into a lot of details of his private life. But there are also fans and scholars that aren't looking for salacious or scandalous details in trying to know more about this (or any) time frame.

Little bits are revealed in the Billy Hinsche documentary on Carl, which is, not surprisingly, not particularly revelatory about Carl despite having several hours of reminiscences of various family members and colleagues. But a few tidbits are discussed there.

I actually purchased the Carl DVD from Billy a few days ago.  Haven't received it yet, but looking forward to it.  Have you seen the Dennis DVD?  I'm thinking about getting it too.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 15, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
I think in the 90s, prior to (presumably) any diagnosis, Carl did probably just also gain some weight. Not a big deal in and of itself. We obviously aren't privy to any other health details of Carl from prior to his diagnosis.

The guys have all waxed and waned in the appearance/weight department. Brian is obvious. But Al seemed to get a bit heavier in the later 70s into the early 80s. Mike perhaps just a bit as well. Then they all hit like around 1983-1985 and all slimmed down and (apart from Carl) went clean shaven. Look at a pic of Al in like 1983 after he shaved, then compare it to a pic from like 1978 or 1980. The later pic has him looking like 10-15 years younger.
Yeah, I recall someone asking if Al ironed his forehead,  :lol. I know people hate the 80's clothing styles, and Mike's stupid headware, but they were really looking better then. Except for Dennis, of course. His decline was shocking to me at the time.


Title: Re: Any footage/photos of Carl's final gigs?
Post by: DennysDrums83 on November 20, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
There were a set of photos taken by a fellow named Ed Primm that were taken at a concert in Raleigh, NC on 6/13/97.  There are several good shots of Carl, but I've never seen these photos surface online and I don't know how to get in touch with the photographer.