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Title: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on January 18, 2019, 01:28:36 PM
Totally unrecognized by me, last year marked the 50th anniversary of CCR. Since there's really nothing new to release and the surviving members still are on the outs, it seems that it turned not very spectacular. But anyway, here's some more info:


CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL'S COMPLETE STUDIO ALBUMS COLLECTION (HALF-SPEED MASTERS)

https://craftrecordings.com/creedence-half-speed-masters/



https://www.youtube.com/user/TheOfficialCCR/videos?view=0&flow=grid


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Jay on January 18, 2019, 11:29:20 PM
It's to bad that they can't quit acting like children long enough to do a show or two. Hell, I'll take just a single song with all three of them.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on January 19, 2019, 12:55:56 AM
It's to bad that they can't quit acting like children long enough to do a show or two. Hell, I'll take just a single song with all three of them.



Well, in a 2015 documentary they kinda did play together, although not in a room at the same time but via headphones and overdubbing. It seems the video isn't available anymore, but if you can find it, check it out, it's this documentary:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/the-true-and-sad-story-of-creedence-clearwater-revival-29706004.html



On another note, after watching the new "Fortunate son" and "Have you ever seen the rain?" videos, I'm shocked by the attempt to a) act like these where you're typical love songs and b) the misguided idea to try to curry favor with the conservative "Nashville-establishment" concept; but unfortunately, John's last solo outings seem to go into a similar direction. In that sense he really disappoints me as he was one of the people who I thought wouldn't go down that route.


https://themusicuniverse.com/creedence-clearwater-revival-celebrates-50-years-short-film/


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on January 28, 2019, 01:28:04 PM
It's to bad that they can't quit acting like children long enough to do a show or two. Hell, I'll take just a single song with all three of them.



Well, in a 2015 documentary they kinda did play together, although not in a room at the same time but via headphones and overdubbing. It seems the video isn't available anymore, but if you can find it, check it out, it's this documentary:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/the-true-and-sad-story-of-creedence-clearwater-revival-29706004.html



On another note, after watching the new "Fortunate son" and "Have you ever seen the rain?" videos, I'm shocked by the attempt to a) act like these where you're typical love songs and b) the misguided idea to try to curry favor with the conservative "Nashville-establishment" concept; but unfortunately, John's last solo outings seem to go into a similar direction. In that sense he really disappoints me as he was one of the people who I thought wouldn't go down that route.


https://themusicuniverse.com/creedence-clearwater-revival-celebrates-50-years-short-film/
Well, he also insisted long ago he was not going to ever become an oldies act, but I guess he found out that, at his age, that's all people want from him.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on February 01, 2019, 08:23:30 AM
It's to bad that they can't quit acting like children long enough to do a show or two. Hell, I'll take just a single song with all three of them.



Well, in a 2015 documentary they kinda did play together, although not in a room at the same time but via headphones and overdubbing. It seems the video isn't available anymore, but if you can find it, check it out, it's this documentary:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/the-true-and-sad-story-of-creedence-clearwater-revival-29706004.html



On another note, after watching the new "Fortunate son" and "Have you ever seen the rain?" videos, I'm shocked by the attempt to a) act like these where you're typical love songs and b) the misguided idea to try to curry favor with the conservative "Nashville-establishment" concept; but unfortunately, John's last solo outings seem to go into a similar direction. In that sense he really disappoints me as he was one of the people who I thought wouldn't go down that route.


https://themusicuniverse.com/creedence-clearwater-revival-celebrates-50-years-short-film/
Well, he also insisted long ago he was not going to ever become an oldies act, but I guess he found out that, at his age, that's all people want from him.



And his appearance on the tribute to Elvis' Comeback makes it all too clear that he is now part of "that" side of the gang.

BTW I read a review in a music magazine that says that the new CCR LPs are sounding very well.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on February 05, 2019, 09:53:26 AM
As you may know, the last time all original members of CCR played together was at Tom Fogerty's wedding in 1980. I just came across these pictures from that event:



(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hmhgYe-hpeE/UcNRddfGEoI/AAAAAAAACEc/Yk4AeZkznLs/s1600/l.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Xp-LKohk2r4/UcNSrk1Ia0I/AAAAAAAACEs/FVffm0_pOPA/s1600/ls.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vO2RRomOOFA/VGjkuk1GQuI/AAAAAAAACeY/2Bv9MY2-b2Y/s1600/10624892_576902725769994_127916829845536309_n.jpg)



Source: https://fanpageccrjohnfogerty.blogspot.com/2013/06/fogerty-contra-fogerty_20.html


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on February 06, 2019, 09:08:37 AM
It's to bad that they can't quit acting like children long enough to do a show or two. Hell, I'll take just a single song with all three of them.



Well, in a 2015 documentary they kinda did play together, although not in a room at the same time but via headphones and overdubbing. It seems the video isn't available anymore, but if you can find it, check it out, it's this documentary:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/the-true-and-sad-story-of-creedence-clearwater-revival-29706004.html





Well, look at this, I found it on youtube. Unfortunately not in good quality but you can still watch it.

Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf2QKzKcpkQ

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwY7ZG24fOk


You'll find the "reunion" at ca 6 mins. into the second part


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on March 20, 2019, 08:07:40 AM
The age is certainly taking it's toll on John's voice certainly. Here he is singing "Jailhouse rock" at the Elvis tribute last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UkCEJxXvDA


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Jay on March 20, 2019, 09:00:05 AM
I never knew that they all reunited for Tom's wedding. It would be cool if somebody recorded it. One of those "bucket list" things. Same goes for Paul, George and Ringo jamming together at Eric Clapton's wedding. I'd give my right arm for a recording of that!

I read somewhere that Tom asked to see John on his(Tom's) deathbed, but John refused to see him. I hope that's not true.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on March 21, 2019, 06:11:06 AM
John Fogerty, Common and Michael Lang Celebrate Woodstock's Past & Future at Electric Lady Studios


https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/festivals/8503221/woodstock-50-lineup-announcement-john-fogerty-common-electric-lady-live?fbclid=IwAR3a7-DBitfNOYTYBNDKphOD5tNEY8-2coI0cBpfiQZTPswU-EiB8BRAXgw


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on December 01, 2019, 01:02:02 PM
I didn't see this until just yet. Interestingly this sounds the most like a reunion is possible than it ever has (considering whom we're talking about).


Creedence Clearwater Revisited Talk Retiring From Touring: 'This Just Seemed Like a Good Time to Wrap it Up'


Cook and Clifford did lock horns periodically with Fogerty -- who famously refused to perform with them during CCR's 1993 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction during Revisited's tenure. Though in 1997 Fogerty's legal actions briefly forced them to change the group name to Cosmo's Factory, courts ultimately ruled in the duo's favor and it returned to the Revisited moniker. The three CCRevival veterans settled their various disputes a few years ago and now jointly operate an LLC "to market the brand and, if you will, exploit our good will," with plans for merchandising and other endeavors -- among them a possible video release of CCR's performance at the original Woodstock Music & Art Fair, which was not included in the 1970 documentary from the festival.

"We're not sniping at each other anymore," Cook reports. "We're focused on the good things about Creedence, which is where I think we should be. There were, on my part, several attempts over the years to turn the situation around, but John was never interested. And if John called me, I'd certainly talk to him. I always felt we were cheating ourselves by not at least trying (to reunite), but fortunately this (CCRevisited) project over the last 25 years has put the focus back on the music itself. Creedence fans around the world have moved on from our internal squabbles and the music reigns supreme."




https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8506073/creedence-clearwater-revisited-on-retiring-from-touring


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on December 09, 2019, 11:55:39 AM
Oh, and as I didn't find out until recently, a new CCR live album was released, "Live at Woodstock", which got great reviews.


Creedence's Woodstock set: 50 years on, still bristling with energy

https://www.loudersound.com/reviews/creedences-woodstock-set-50-years-on-still-bristling-with-energy




And here's another story on the ending of CCRevisited:


Creedence Clearwater Revisited Talk Farewell Tour and Ignoring Their Critics
After 25 years, the semi–tribute band featuring two Revival members is shutting down. Stu Cook and Doug Clifford talk about carrying on without John Fogerty, whether he — or their fans — like it or not

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/creedence-clearwater-revisited-interview-john-fogerty-823536/




Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on December 10, 2019, 09:37:33 PM
Oh, and as I didn't find out until recently, a new CCR live album was released, "Live at Woodstock", which got great reviews.


Creedence's Woodstock set: 50 years on, still bristling with energy

https://www.loudersound.com/reviews/creedences-woodstock-set-50-years-on-still-bristling-with-energy




And here's another story on the ending of CCRevisited:


Creedence Clearwater Revisited Talk Farewell Tour and Ignoring Their Critics
After 25 years, the semi–tribute band featuring two Revival members is shutting down. Stu Cook and Doug Clifford talk about carrying on without John Fogerty, whether he — or their fans — like it or not

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/creedence-clearwater-revisited-interview-john-fogerty-823536/



I don't think they'll ever reunite, but maybe we will see the vault opened further in the coming years. Sure would like some dvd of the band in their prime.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on December 11, 2019, 02:22:17 AM
Yes, I don't really see them reuniting and going on the road either, although I wouldn't bet on it now that John has gone full establishment including rhinestone jackets, Vegas stints and dancing background hippies. It seems a reunion would be the next logical step. And there's a lot of money to be made for Stu and Doug as well. But the articles seem to tned into the archive-direction. A first release already happened (Woodstock) and I would love to see other stuff. There seem to be a lot of live concert recordings, but then again many probably are very similar due to the band's short career. A DVD would be great though. There were certainly more shows filmed than the one at Royal Albert Hall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS3rNUYR8b0) and the one in Oakland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrRhlEjb1jQ). Youtube has some snippets of a '71 show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Linsgahrc), so hopefully we'll get something like that.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on March 23, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
‘In My Room’ With John Fogerty
Former Creedence Clearwater Revival frontman performs classics from his home in Los Angeles


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/john-fogerty-in-my-room-971618/?fbclid=IwAR3egEHmpT1MXP43eDhGc-amfK6nX5UFNNpzyx0908U01TU0tEKnN8-FFwI


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 22, 2020, 06:31:37 PM
"Cosmo" Doug Clifford has a couple new songs on Spotify. A new album is coming out soon - although apparently it was recorded back in the 80's. Either way, I am looking forward to hearing it.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on April 25, 2020, 02:25:02 AM
"Cosmo" Doug Clifford has a couple new songs on Spotify. A new album is coming out soon - although apparently it was recorded back in the 80's. Either way, I am looking forward to hearing it.


Interesting! I hope he is doing better. He was fighting with cancer a couple of years back (see that documentary from above)


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on May 02, 2020, 06:46:45 AM
Fogerty's Factory - John Fogerty + Family: Tiny Desk (Home) Concert


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qW2139LKN0


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Summer_Days on May 03, 2020, 01:37:02 PM
The fact that the surviving Beach Boys were able to bury the hatchet at least for a little while to the delight of all their fans but CCR can’t, speaks to the closeness of the former and the distance between the latter. Brian doesn’t necessarily see himself as the reason for the existence for the band to begin with. I love John Fogerty but I don’t think he thinks of himself the same way. The odds of CCR getting back together for an extended tour and new album are not good, to put it mildly.

A shame since I’ve loved many of their songs since I was a teen. For a long time ‘Who’ll Stop The Rain’ was my favorite but many years ago a girl, no, woman I loved told me how much she loved ‘Long As I Can See The Light’, a song I’d previously not given a lot of thought to. I remember listening to it again with newly opened ears and I marveled at its beauty. It’s been my favorite CCR tune ever since and every time I listen to it, which isn’t often enough, I think of her, what she’s doing, who is he and is he good to her, after so many before him who weren’t.

Anyway, yeah. Fogerty, a tremendous songwriter.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: JK on May 06, 2020, 01:26:23 AM
The fact that the surviving Beach Boys were able to bury the hatchet at least for a little while to the delight of all their fans but CCR can’t, speaks to the closeness of the former and the distance between the latter. Brian doesn’t necessarily see himself as the reason for the existence for the band to begin with. I love John Fogerty but I don’t think he thinks of himself the same way. The odds of CCR getting back together for an extended tour and new album are not good, to put it mildly.

A shame since I’ve loved many of their songs since I was a teen. For a long time ‘Who’ll Stop The Rain’ was my favorite but many years ago a girl, no, woman I loved told me how much she loved ‘Long As I Can See The Light’, a song I’d previously not given a lot of thought to. I remember listening to it again with newly opened ears and I marveled at its beauty. It’s been my favorite CCR tune ever since and every time I listen to it, which isn’t often enough, I think of her, what she’s doing, who is he and is he good to her, after so many before him who weren’t.

Anyway, yeah. Fogerty, a tremendous songwriter.

Thanks for sharing that, SD. Wise words on the difference(s) between the two bands. Things like "Up Around The Bend" and their UK #1, "Bad Moon Rising", were like a breath of fresh air in the years around 1970. I particularly liked "It Came Out Of The Sky", which resumes the "little green men" theme of early classic rock and roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuPtOtGF4TY


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 06, 2020, 02:48:14 PM
The fact that the surviving Beach Boys were able to bury the hatchet at least for a little while to the delight of all their fans but CCR can’t, speaks to the closeness of the former and the distance between the latter. Brian doesn’t necessarily see himself as the reason for the existence for the band to begin with. I love John Fogerty but I don’t think he thinks of himself the same way. The odds of CCR getting back together for an extended tour and new album are not good, to put it mildly.

A shame since I’ve loved many of their songs since I was a teen. For a long time ‘Who’ll Stop The Rain’ was my favorite but many years ago a girl, no, woman I loved told me how much she loved ‘Long As I Can See The Light’, a song I’d previously not given a lot of thought to. I remember listening to it again with newly opened ears and I marveled at its beauty. It’s been my favorite CCR tune ever since and every time I listen to it, which isn’t often enough, I think of her, what she’s doing, who is he and is he good to her, after so many before him who weren’t.

Anyway, yeah. Fogerty, a tremendous songwriter.

Yes, he wrote all those great songs, timeless songs, and he had the voice to deliver them, and the guitar chops. In his autobiography, it becomes clear that he worked very hard at singing, songwriting, and playing, constantly trying to improve.
That's why it's so sad what happened between him and his bandmates. John doesn't like to admit it now, but CCR had a great groove as a unit. After reading his book, I had to wonder, "gee, was Stu really that terrible of a bass player?" So I go back to the records, watch the live videos on youtube, and no, Stu was great. Bass is probably the last thing I consciously notice in a band - but some of the things he did really jump out at me now, like, "that's really cool, distinctive, original". And Cosmo has always been one of my favorite drummers. Their records were great to play along to when I was learning drums years ago.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that Tom could have sung a couple of songs per album. He had a good voice, more mellow than John's, although there are a few solo songs of his where he pushes his voice more, such as Joyful Resurrection.
So I do admire John as a talent, and I think it's great that he's always called attention to the originators of rock and roll, but he's probably not an easy guy to work with.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on May 06, 2020, 07:58:08 PM
The fact that the surviving Beach Boys were able to bury the hatchet at least for a little while to the delight of all their fans but CCR can’t, speaks to the closeness of the former and the distance between the latter. Brian doesn’t necessarily see himself as the reason for the existence for the band to begin with. I love John Fogerty but I don’t think he thinks of himself the same way. The odds of CCR getting back together for an extended tour and new album are not good, to put it mildly.

A shame since I’ve loved many of their songs since I was a teen. For a long time ‘Who’ll Stop The Rain’ was my favorite but many years ago a girl, no, woman I loved told me how much she loved ‘Long As I Can See The Light’, a song I’d previously not given a lot of thought to. I remember listening to it again with newly opened ears and I marveled at its beauty. It’s been my favorite CCR tune ever since and every time I listen to it, which isn’t often enough, I think of her, what she’s doing, who is he and is he good to her, after so many before him who weren’t.

Anyway, yeah. Fogerty, a tremendous songwriter.

Yes, he wrote all those great songs, timeless songs, and he had the voice to deliver them, and the guitar chops. In his autobiography, it becomes clear that he worked very hard at singing, songwriting, and playing, constantly trying to improve.
That's why it's so sad what happened between him and his bandmates. John doesn't like to admit it now, but CCR had a great groove as a unit. After reading his book, I had to wonder, "gee, was Stu really that terrible of a bass player?" So I go back to the records, watch the live videos on youtube, and no, Stu was great. Bass is probably the last thing I consciously notice in a band - but some of the things he did really jump out at me now, like, "that's really cool, distinctive, original". And Cosmo has always been one of my favorite drummers. Their records were great to play along to when I was learning drums years ago.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that Tom could have sung a couple of songs per album. He had a good voice, more mellow than John's, although there are a few solo songs of his where he pushes his voice more, such as Joyful Resurrection.
So I do admire John as a talent, and I think it's great that he's always called attention to the originators of rock and roll, but he's probably not an easy guy to work with.
Having some time on my hands, I've spent a good deal of time on youtube, and have spent a fair amount of it checking out JCFogerty/CCR.  In watching Fogerty's solo live videos something is very apparent -- in particular the drummers (usually Kenny Aronoff) have chops Doug Clifford never thought of, but the groove just is not there, not at all.   Fogerty is a force of nature, but for him to bad mouth either of those guys is either very mean spirited or really stupid.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 07, 2020, 12:31:42 AM
The fact that the surviving Beach Boys were able to bury the hatchet at least for a little while to the delight of all their fans but CCR can’t, speaks to the closeness of the former and the distance between the latter. Brian doesn’t necessarily see himself as the reason for the existence for the band to begin with. I love John Fogerty but I don’t think he thinks of himself the same way. The odds of CCR getting back together for an extended tour and new album are not good, to put it mildly.

A shame since I’ve loved many of their songs since I was a teen. For a long time ‘Who’ll Stop The Rain’ was my favorite but many years ago a girl, no, woman I loved told me how much she loved ‘Long As I Can See The Light’, a song I’d previously not given a lot of thought to. I remember listening to it again with newly opened ears and I marveled at its beauty. It’s been my favorite CCR tune ever since and every time I listen to it, which isn’t often enough, I think of her, what she’s doing, who is he and is he good to her, after so many before him who weren’t.

Anyway, yeah. Fogerty, a tremendous songwriter.

Yes, he wrote all those great songs, timeless songs, and he had the voice to deliver them, and the guitar chops. In his autobiography, it becomes clear that he worked very hard at singing, songwriting, and playing, constantly trying to improve.
That's why it's so sad what happened between him and his bandmates. John doesn't like to admit it now, but CCR had a great groove as a unit. After reading his book, I had to wonder, "gee, was Stu really that terrible of a bass player?" So I go back to the records, watch the live videos on youtube, and no, Stu was great. Bass is probably the last thing I consciously notice in a band - but some of the things he did really jump out at me now, like, "that's really cool, distinctive, original". And Cosmo has always been one of my favorite drummers. Their records were great to play along to when I was learning drums years ago.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that Tom could have sung a couple of songs per album. He had a good voice, more mellow than John's, although there are a few solo songs of his where he pushes his voice more, such as Joyful Resurrection.
So I do admire John as a talent, and I think it's great that he's always called attention to the originators of rock and roll, but he's probably not an easy guy to work with.
Having some time on my hands, I've spent a good deal of time on youtube, and have spent a fair amount of it checking out JCFogerty/CCR.  In watching Fogerty's solo live videos something is very apparent -- in particular the drummers (usually Kenny Aronoff) have chops Doug Clifford never thought of, but the groove just is not there, not at all.   Fogerty is a force of nature, but for him to bad mouth either of those guys is either very mean spirited or really stupid.
I will always take groove over technical ability.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on May 07, 2020, 01:40:43 AM
CCR had a great sound, definitely! Tony Joe White said that he always wondered why Fogerty let the others go, as they were such a good rhythm section. I guess in the end it was just personal issues. You listen to CCR today and they still sound as fresh as ever. Now, there are not many drummers who come close to Aronoff, but they don't nedd to, if the outcome is right.

Anyway, yes, Fogerty was/is one hell of a songwriter and musician. It's unbelievable what he put out during those couple of years. It's not unlike what Brian Wilson put out in '63-'64 (Beach Boys albums and singles, outside productions, co-writes) while touring at the same time. Talent, pure talent!
I must admit though, looking at Fogerty today, I liked him better when he was still bitter.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 08, 2020, 06:12:00 PM
CCR had a great sound, definitely! Tony Joe White said that he always wondered why Fogerty let the others go, as they were such a good rhythm section. I guess in the end it was just personal issues. You listen to CCR today and they still sound as fresh as ever. Now, there are not many drummers who come close to Aronoff, but they don't nedd to, if the outcome is right.

Anyway, yes, Fogerty was/is one hell of a songwriter and musician. It's unbelievable what he put out during those couple of years. It's not unlike what Brian Wilson put out in '63-'64 (Beach Boys albums and singles, outside productions, co-writes) while touring at the same time. Talent, pure talent!
I must admit though, looking at Fogerty today, I liked him better when he was still bitter.
He still seems pretty bitter towards Cook and Clifford. He's a little kinder towards his brother Tom, probably because he's dead.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: spgass on May 09, 2020, 06:26:20 PM
Out of all the music from home videos these days, Fogerty & Family are my favorite I've seen so far.  It's a real joy to watch him with his kids.

Fogerty's Factory - John Fogerty + Family: Tiny Desk (Home) Concert


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qW2139LKN0


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Summer_Days on May 09, 2020, 06:43:43 PM
I want that baseball bat guitar. 😳 A mixture of two of my very favorite things, music and baseball. You simply can’t get more American than John, a true original. I’m happy he played ‘Long As I Can See The Light’, which I ranted lovingly about on the previous page.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on May 10, 2020, 01:54:14 AM
CCR had a great sound, definitely! Tony Joe White said that he always wondered why Fogerty let the others go, as they were such a good rhythm section. I guess in the end it was just personal issues. You listen to CCR today and they still sound as fresh as ever. Now, there are not many drummers who come close to Aronoff, but they don't nedd to, if the outcome is right.

Anyway, yes, Fogerty was/is one hell of a songwriter and musician. It's unbelievable what he put out during those couple of years. It's not unlike what Brian Wilson put out in '63-'64 (Beach Boys albums and singles, outside productions, co-writes) while touring at the same time. Talent, pure talent!
I must admit though, looking at Fogerty today, I liked him better when he was still bitter.
He still seems pretty bitter towards Cook and Clifford. He's a little kinder towards his brother Tom, probably because he's dead.


You're totally right. What I meant was this exaggerated happiness and positivity he shows nowadays. It really goes on my nerves because it seems so fake. And all that stupid hippie-stuff on his tour with the VW camper. Have you seen the Red Rocks show (I think it's called "My 50 year trip" or something to that effect) with all those cheap hippie wigs and lava lamps and the corny antics on stage? It just looks so ridiculous and in the mid of all is John Fogerty. The one person I never thought would go clownish.
 
No question he's still bitter toward Doug and Stu, but he was not as much opposed to a reunion as he once was and they now have a LLC and can approve new releases. That's good and if they ever can make peace with each other, than that's a great thing. It wasn't so much this bitterness that I was talking about. Even if they never play ttogether anymore, it would be nice to at least have some kind of conciliation now that they are all in their 70s


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on May 12, 2020, 05:54:36 PM
i'd  be for a reunion just so he's play with an appropriate damn drummer.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 15, 2020, 06:05:03 PM
CCR had a great sound, definitely! Tony Joe White said that he always wondered why Fogerty let the others go, as they were such a good rhythm section. I guess in the end it was just personal issues. You listen to CCR today and they still sound as fresh as ever. Now, there are not many drummers who come close to Aronoff, but they don't nedd to, if the outcome is right.

Anyway, yes, Fogerty was/is one hell of a songwriter and musician. It's unbelievable what he put out during those couple of years. It's not unlike what Brian Wilson put out in '63-'64 (Beach Boys albums and singles, outside productions, co-writes) while touring at the same time. Talent, pure talent!
I must admit though, looking at Fogerty today, I liked him better when he was still bitter.
He still seems pretty bitter towards Cook and Clifford. He's a little kinder towards his brother Tom, probably because he's dead.


You're totally right. What I meant was this exaggerated happiness and positivity he shows nowadays. It really goes on my nerves because it seems so fake. And all that stupid hippie-stuff on his tour with the VW camper. Have you seen the Red Rocks show (I think it's called "My 50 year trip" or something to that effect) with all those cheap hippie wigs and lava lamps and the corny antics on stage? It just looks so ridiculous and in the mid of all is John Fogerty. The one person I never thought would go clownish.
 
No question he's still bitter toward Doug and Stu, but he was not as much opposed to a reunion as he once was and they now have a LLC and can approve new releases. That's good and if they ever can make peace with each other, than that's a great thing. It wasn't so much this bitterness that I was talking about. Even if they never play ttogether anymore, it would be nice to at least have some kind of conciliation now that they are all in their 70s
I agree about the fake happiness. Don't get him started about Julie. He still seems bitter underneath the fake smile; get him started about his former bandmates, and it's back to the bs about "Tom played one string guitar" and "I had to teach Stu how to play the bass".


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: spgass on May 21, 2020, 04:51:14 PM
I don't understand the negativity toward John Fogerty here.  I think most people would be bitter if they lost ownership of hit songs they wrote an people can be bitter for years before they put it behind them.  I know that's happened with me anyway so I wouldn't assume he is faking anything.  Anyway, a very nice performance by him today of City of New Orleans:

https://youtu.be/7zmNs6sWTD8



Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on May 22, 2020, 02:23:58 AM
I don't understand the negativity toward John Fogerty here.  I think most people would be bitter if they lost ownership of hit songs they wrote an people can be bitter for years before they put it behind them.  I know that's happened with me anyway so I wouldn't assume he is faking anything.  Anyway, a very nice performance by him today of City of New Orleans:

https://youtu.be/7zmNs6sWTD8





I don't think there's any negativity towards him, at least not from my side, and that is all I can talk about. I'm just saying that his way of acting in interviews and such seems kinda faked to my eyes. I know that I've acted similarly when I was trying to hold down certain things. It's just my interpretation. I also think that he seemed more real in earlier years.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 22, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
I don't understand the negativity toward John Fogerty here.  I think most people would be bitter if they lost ownership of hit songs they wrote an people can be bitter for years before they put it behind them.  I know that's happened with me anyway so I wouldn't assume he is faking anything.  Anyway, a very nice performance by him today of City of New Orleans:

https://youtu.be/7zmNs6sWTD8





I don't think there's any negativity towards him, at least not from my side, and that is all I can talk about. I'm just saying that his way of acting in interviews and such seems kinda faked to my eyes. I know that I've acted similarly when I was trying to hold down certain things. It's just my interpretation. I also think that he seemed more real in earlier years.
I don't think anyone is denying that he was ripped off; I don't see anyone putting him down as a songwriter, singer, or guitarist. There were three other guys that helped him achieve his dream of rock and roll immortality, but to hear him tell it today, they impeded him instead of helping him. I don't believe that is true. With rock bands, there is a tendency to always focus on the frontman or lead singer, main songwriter, but a great singer and songwriter needs a good band backing him up. How great would Elvis been at Sun Records without Scotty and Bill there to play those songs? How good would The Beatles have been minus George and Ringo? Give credit where credit is due, that's all i'm asking.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on May 22, 2020, 08:35:22 PM
I don't understand the negativity toward John Fogerty here.  I think most people would be bitter if they lost ownership of hit songs they wrote an people can be bitter for years before they put it behind them.  I know that's happened with me anyway so I wouldn't assume he is faking anything.  Anyway, a very nice performance by him today of City of New Orleans:

https://youtu.be/7zmNs6sWTD8



I don't think there's any negativity towards him, at least not from my side, and that is all I can talk about. I'm just saying that his way of acting in interviews and such seems kinda faked to my eyes. I know that I've acted similarly when I was trying to hold down certain things. It's just my interpretation. I also think that he seemed more real in earlier years.
I don't think anyone is denying that he was ripped off; I don't see anyone putting him down as a songwriter, singer, or guitarist. There were three other guys that helped him achieve his dream of rock and roll immortality, but to hear him tell it today, they impeded him instead of helping him. I don't believe that is true. With rock bands, there is a tendency to always focus on the frontman or lead singer, main songwriter, but a great singer and songwriter needs a good band backing him up. How great would Elvis been at Sun Records without Scotty and Bill there to play those songs? How good would The Beatles have been minus George and Ringo? Give credit where credit is due, that's all i'm asking.

I think everyone posting here acknowledges Fogerty's immense talent, and I don't see anyone ripping him.  We're giving our opinion on what we see.  If we're only going to say nice things here you need to go delete 90% of the threads on the main forum.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: spgass on May 25, 2020, 04:01:46 PM



I don't understand the negativity toward John Fogerty here.  I think most people would be bitter if they lost ownership of hit songs they wrote an people can be bitter for years before they put it behind them.  I know that's happened with me anyway so I wouldn't assume he is faking anything.  Anyway, a very nice performance by him today of City of New Orleans:

https://youtu.be/7zmNs6sWTD8



I don't think there's any negativity towards him, at least not from my side, and that is all I can talk about. I'm just saying that his way of acting in interviews and such seems kinda faked to my eyes. I know that I've acted similarly when I was trying to hold down certain things. It's just my interpretation. I also think that he seemed more real in earlier years.
I don't think anyone is denying that he was ripped off; I don't see anyone putting him down as a songwriter, singer, or guitarist. There were three other guys that helped him achieve his dream of rock and roll immortality, but to hear him tell it today, they impeded him instead of helping him. I don't believe that is true. With rock bands, there is a tendency to always focus on the frontman or lead singer, main songwriter, but a great singer and songwriter needs a good band backing him up. How great would Elvis been at Sun Records without Scotty and Bill there to play those songs? How good would The Beatles have been minus George and Ringo? Give credit where credit is due, that's all i'm asking.

I think everyone posting here acknowledges Fogerty's immense talent, and I don't see anyone ripping him.  We're giving our opinion on what we see.  If we're only going to say nice things here you need to go delete 90% of the threads on the main forum.


Of course anyone can write their opinion on a discussion board.  I don't think he's faking being happy but I don't know him personally so can't say for sure.

On the main forum, there was a thread recently about Beach Boys covers.  I noticed Cotton Fields was released by the BB before the CCR version.  I wonder if the BB version might have inspired the CCR recording or if they were already working on the song independently. 


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on May 26, 2020, 02:22:04 AM



I don't understand the negativity toward John Fogerty here.  I think most people would be bitter if they lost ownership of hit songs they wrote an people can be bitter for years before they put it behind them.  I know that's happened with me anyway so I wouldn't assume he is faking anything.  Anyway, a very nice performance by him today of City of New Orleans:

https://youtu.be/7zmNs6sWTD8



I don't think there's any negativity towards him, at least not from my side, and that is all I can talk about. I'm just saying that his way of acting in interviews and such seems kinda faked to my eyes. I know that I've acted similarly when I was trying to hold down certain things. It's just my interpretation. I also think that he seemed more real in earlier years.
I don't think anyone is denying that he was ripped off; I don't see anyone putting him down as a songwriter, singer, or guitarist. There were three other guys that helped him achieve his dream of rock and roll immortality, but to hear him tell it today, they impeded him instead of helping him. I don't believe that is true. With rock bands, there is a tendency to always focus on the frontman or lead singer, main songwriter, but a great singer and songwriter needs a good band backing him up. How great would Elvis been at Sun Records without Scotty and Bill there to play those songs? How good would The Beatles have been minus George and Ringo? Give credit where credit is due, that's all i'm asking.

I think everyone posting here acknowledges Fogerty's immense talent, and I don't see anyone ripping him.  We're giving our opinion on what we see.  If we're only going to say nice things here you need to go delete 90% of the threads on the main forum.


Of course anyone can write their opinion on a discussion board.  I don't think he's faking being happy but I don't know him personally so can't say for sure.

On the main forum, there was a thread recently about Beach Boys covers.  I noticed Cotton Fields was released by the BB before the CCR version.  I wonder if the BB version might have inspired the CCR recording or if they were already working on the song independently. 


I was wondering about that myself, since Fogerty liked the Beach Boys very much. On the other hand, "Cottonfields" was totally out of that type of music that CCR was based on. And the Boys' version was a big hit everywhere except the US, so I don't know if Fogerty was aware of it. During rehearsals of the movie "That's the way it is" in 1970 you can hear Elvis singing an impromptu version of it as well. Since he's using the original lyrics (as did CCR), I guess he had heard Creedence's recording and remembered the song.
So, it's hard to say. On one hand, it's a well known folk song, on the other hand two versions of the same song released so close to each other makes you wonder.


Somehing else BBs related: On Facebook Fogerty posted an excerpt from his book while talking about "Green river" and mentioned that he saw a TV ad in '67 that, at least in his mind, definitely featured the Beach Boys singing. This reminded me of reading that "Cool, cool water" was written for a commercial (I don't know if I got this right and if it was the Sunflower song or the early stages of it during '67). Did that ever come to fruition and was it this that Fogerty remembered hearing?


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on November 05, 2020, 02:57:36 AM
Fogerty just posted a picture of him in the studio with this caption:

Recording a new song in the studio today with Don Was and Jim Keltner. Pretty cool working with these two legends. 🎸


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Awesoman on November 05, 2020, 06:44:13 PM
Totally unrecognized by me, last year marked the 50th anniversary of CCR. Since there's really nothing new to release and the surviving members still are on the outs, it seems that it turned not very spectacular. But anyway, here's some more info:


CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL'S COMPLETE STUDIO ALBUMS COLLECTION (HALF-SPEED MASTERS)

https://craftrecordings.com/creedence-half-speed-masters/



https://www.youtube.com/user/TheOfficialCCR/videos?view=0&flow=grid

For what it's worth Fogerty did put out a live album to mark the anniversary:

https://www.amazon.com/50-Year-Trip-Live-Rocks/dp/B07Y98NFYV/ref=sr_1_2?crid=PQ81BAX8Z4EC&dchild=1&keywords=john+fogerty&s=music&sprefix=john+fog%2Caps%2C220&sr=1-2


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on November 06, 2020, 02:35:25 AM
Totally unrecognized by me, last year marked the 50th anniversary of CCR. Since there's really nothing new to release and the surviving members still are on the outs, it seems that it turned not very spectacular. But anyway, here's some more info:


CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL'S COMPLETE STUDIO ALBUMS COLLECTION (HALF-SPEED MASTERS)

https://craftrecordings.com/creedence-half-speed-masters/



https://www.youtube.com/user/TheOfficialCCR/videos?view=0&flow=grid

For what it's worth Fogerty did put out a live album to mark the anniversary:

https://www.amazon.com/50-Year-Trip-Live-Rocks/dp/B07Y98NFYV/ref=sr_1_2?crid=PQ81BAX8Z4EC&dchild=1&keywords=john+fogerty&s=music&sprefix=john+fog%2Caps%2C220&sr=1-2


There's also a DVD companion. It was shown in german TV (minus a couple of songs). It was done as a 50th tribute to Woodstock I believe. Well, I love John's music and his live offerings are usually top. But this is a complete freak show imo. It's what his Vegas stint seems to have been like. Including background singers in hippie clothes and bad(!!) wigs. It's what you would think a caricature would look like (or a Nickelodeon hippie TV show) but I believe they are serious about this. I was not only disappointed but shocked that John would go this road. It's almost like John tries to make us believe he was a real Hippie. He still has a great band of course.

Better get the fantastic CCR at Woodstock CD. That one is a fantastic sounding album. Incredible!


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Awesoman on November 06, 2020, 04:31:34 AM
Totally unrecognized by me, last year marked the 50th anniversary of CCR. Since there's really nothing new to release and the surviving members still are on the outs, it seems that it turned not very spectacular. But anyway, here's some more info:


CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL'S COMPLETE STUDIO ALBUMS COLLECTION (HALF-SPEED MASTERS)

https://craftrecordings.com/creedence-half-speed-masters/



https://www.youtube.com/user/TheOfficialCCR/videos?view=0&flow=grid

For what it's worth Fogerty did put out a live album to mark the anniversary:

https://www.amazon.com/50-Year-Trip-Live-Rocks/dp/B07Y98NFYV/ref=sr_1_2?crid=PQ81BAX8Z4EC&dchild=1&keywords=john+fogerty&s=music&sprefix=john+fog%2Caps%2C220&sr=1-2


There's also a DVD companion. It was shown in german TV (minus a couple of songs). It was done as a 50th tribute to Woodstock I believe. Well, I love John's music and his live offerings are usually top. But this is a complete freak show imo. It's what his Vegas stint seems to have been like. Including background singers in hippie clothes and bad(!!) wigs. It's what you would think a caricature would look like (or a Nickelodeon hippie TV show) but I believe they are serious about this. I was not only disappointed but shocked that John would go this road. It's almost like John tries to make us believe he was a real Hippie. He still has a great band of course.

Better get the fantastic CCR at Woodstock CD. That one is a fantastic sounding album. Incredible!

This release was ok, although not as good as some of his other live releases he's put out in the last 25 years.  Premonition was pretty good as was The Long Road Home - In Concert.  He also put out the DVD Comin' Down The Road that had some deep cuts on there and a pretty smokin' live version of "The Old Man Down The Road". 

My favorite memory of him was when I saw him perform in the 90's and after the show a bunch of us were walking to our cars which we had to walk past the tour bus to get to.  As we walked by we saw him in the window and we all enthusiastically cheered as a "thank you" of sorts.  He responded by callously closing the window curtain and dismissing us completely.  I guess the show was over.   :lol


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 08, 2020, 02:43:32 PM
Totally unrecognized by me, last year marked the 50th anniversary of CCR. Since there's really nothing new to release and the surviving members still are on the outs, it seems that it turned not very spectacular. But anyway, here's some more info:


CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL'S COMPLETE STUDIO ALBUMS COLLECTION (HALF-SPEED MASTERS)

https://craftrecordings.com/creedence-half-speed-masters/



https://www.youtube.com/user/TheOfficialCCR/videos?view=0&flow=grid

For what it's worth Fogerty did put out a live album to mark the anniversary:

https://www.amazon.com/50-Year-Trip-Live-Rocks/dp/B07Y98NFYV/ref=sr_1_2?crid=PQ81BAX8Z4EC&dchild=1&keywords=john+fogerty&s=music&sprefix=john+fog%2Caps%2C220&sr=1-2


There's also a DVD companion. It was shown in german TV (minus a couple of songs). It was done as a 50th tribute to Woodstock I believe. Well, I love John's music and his live offerings are usually top. But this is a complete freak show imo. It's what his Vegas stint seems to have been like. Including background singers in hippie clothes and bad(!!) wigs. It's what you would think a caricature would look like (or a Nickelodeon hippie TV show) but I believe they are serious about this. I was not only disappointed but shocked that John would go this road. It's almost like John tries to make us believe he was a real Hippie. He still has a great band of course.

Better get the fantastic CCR at Woodstock CD. That one is a fantastic sounding album. Incredible!

This release was ok, although not as good as some of his other live releases he's put out in the last 25 years.  Premonition was pretty good as was The Long Road Home - In Concert.  He also put out the DVD Comin' Down The Road that had some deep cuts on there and a pretty smokin' live version of "The Old Man Down The Road". 

My favorite memory of him was when I saw him perform in the 90's and after the show a bunch of us were walking to our cars which we had to walk past the tour bus to get to.  As we walked by we saw him in the window and we all enthusiastically cheered as a "thank you" of sorts.  He responded by callously closing the window curtain and dismissing us completely.  I guess the show was over.   :lol
Yeah, based on the various interviews I've seen with him, I would say he's not exactly Mr. Warmth. John's always been a "me first" kind of guy; not dissing him as a talent, although his solo career hasn't exactly been prolific. I thought his Revival album from roughly 10 years ago was excellent.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on November 18, 2020, 12:11:53 PM
Pandemic spurs ‘Fogerty’s Factory’ album from CCR’s John Fogerty and family

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/11/pandemic-spurs-fogertys-factory-album-from-ccrs-john-fogerty-and-family.html?fbclid=IwAR3eYgREOj2rSwElwoPl56l1H-3_r8rpp-OeuxawXdbjAdfTQX1euY_-41Q


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on January 06, 2021, 02:59:43 AM
This was posted by Fogerty's Facebook account:


A brand new song is almost here. Weeping In The Promised Land is out tomorrow!


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on January 07, 2021, 03:43:19 AM
Here it is.


Weeping in The Promised Land - John Fogerty


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ODrkRdwb3k


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: twentytwenty on January 12, 2021, 10:46:57 AM
Here it is.


Weeping in The Promised Land - John Fogerty


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ODrkRdwb3k

He still sounds amazing. Also, I saw him live on his 50th year trip tour and while I can understand that some didn't like that spectacle it was really cool in person.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Lonely Summer on January 25, 2021, 08:10:07 PM
Here it is.


Weeping in The Promised Land - John Fogerty


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ODrkRdwb3k
I know it's 2021, but it still feels weird to me now that artists just put a song on social media, youtube, etc, and that's their new song. Not a 7 inch record, not a compact disc, just a song that anyone can click on and listen to for free.


Title: Re: CCR 50th anniversary
Post by: Rocker on February 24, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL’S PENDULUM AND MARDI GRAS SET FOR HALF-SPEED MASTERED 180-GRAM VINYL REISSUES


https://craftrecordings.com/blogs/news/creedence-clearwater-revival-s-pendulum-and-mardi-gras-set-for-half-speed-mastered-180-gram-vinyl-reissues


Craft Recordings continues the salute to the enduring musical legacy of Creedence Clearwater Revival with the release of half-speed mastered editions of the band’s two final albums: Pendulum, which was released exactly 50 years ago today (December 9, 1970), and their closing studio album, 1972’s Mardi Gras. Pressed on 180-gram vinyl and set for release February 12th, both records were mastered by the award-winning engineer Miles Showell at Abbey Road Studios. Available for pre-order beginning today, these audiophile-quality LPs come housed in beautifully crafted jackets (tip-on gatefold for Pendulum and embossed for Mardi Gras), replicating the albums’ original packaging.

Pendulum, which marked CCR’s second release of 1970—following Cosmo’s Factory—was a unique title in the band’s catalog for several reasons. First, the album was the group’s sole LP to feature all original material. Typically, CCR sprinkled covers of blues songs, traditional material, and rock ‘n’ roll standards into each of their albums, putting their own spin on classic favorites. Pendulum also found the guitar-heavy group expanding their sonic palate—experimenting with new sounds (including the use of saxophones, vocal choirs, and keyboards) and even venturing into psychedelia.

The quartet’s musical explorations paid off. Not only was Pendulum a critical success, but it also spawned two global Top Ten hits: the reflective “Have You Ever Seen the Rain” and the upbeat “Hey Tonight.” The singles, released as a double A-side in 1971, peaked at No.8 on the Billboard Hot 100. Other highlights included the stomper “Molina,” the bluesy “Pagan’s Groove” and the twangy “Sailor’s Lament.” Recently, “Have You Ever Seen the Rain” gained renewed popularity with the 2018 launch of a new official music video featuring Sasha Frolova, Jack Quaid, and Erin Moriarty (the latter two also featuring in Amazon’s smash hit series, The Boys), introducing the song to a new generation. To date, the video has received over 61 million plays.
Creedence Clearwater Revival’s seventh and final studio album, 1972’s Mardi Gras, followed the departure of founding member and rhythm guitarist Tom Fogerty. The album, however, found the remaining trio of musicians taking a more collaborative approach to songwriting. Prior to Mardi Gras, frontman John Fogerty was the band’s creative leader—writing, arranging, and producing the majority of every album. For Mardi Gras, bassist Stu Cook and drummer Doug Clifford not only penned many of the tracks (including Cook’s hard-driving “Door to Door,” and Clifford’s rollicking “Tearin’ Up the Country”) but also sang on them. Other highlights off the album include a cover of the rockabilly classic “Hello Mary Lou,” as well as the Fogerty-penned rocker “Sweet Hitch-Hiker”—a Top Ten hit in the US, Australia, Canada, and across Europe. The poignant “Someday Never Comes,” meanwhile, marked the group’s final single.

While the band members went their separate ways after Mardi Gras, Creedence Clearwater Revival’s legacy only continued to grow. Today, CCR remains one of the best-selling groups of all time, thanks to their trove of generation-defining hits and their singular, roots-rock sound.

Roughly half a century later, CCR fans can enjoy a new vibrancy when they revisit Pendulum and Mardi Gras, thanks to the exacting process of half-speed mastering. Using high-res transfers from the original analog tapes, the process involves playing back the audio at half its recorded speed while the cutting lathe is also turned to half the desired playback speed. The technique allows more time to cut a micro-precise groove, resulting in more accuracy with frequency extremes and dynamic contrasts. The result on the turntables is an exceptional level of sonic clarity and punch.

Both of these special pressings were previously released only as part of Creedence’s collectible, seven-LP The Studio Albums Collection box set, and follow standalone reissues of the band’s first five albums.